From npatt@snet.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where to get very small extractor Date: 1 Jun 1999 12:08:18 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7j0ifi$s8d@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port218.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17956 Do you know where I can purchase a 2-3 frame hand crank extractor cheap. I have one hive and don't want or need anything bigger. Norm npatt@snet.net From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:24:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7iv3dj$4rp$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990601002459.12514.00009267@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17957 I'm too new to have ever faced this problem, but seems like most of the the book authors agree taht the bee blower is easiest. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:25:20 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928247203 25375 129.173.88.206 (1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17958 Peter Edwards wrote: > > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; snip IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the abdomen tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is not very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, or glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just a matter of time to catch another one. Cheers Ulli From hutchiso@ccp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm in tree Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <928253688.517046@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup136-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928253787 207.193.195.8 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17959 Just got a call from a lady that has a swarm of bees that showed up and made their home in an old oak tree in her yard. She wants them taken away. How do I get them out of the tree?? Appreciate any help. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:07:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3753F732.1D4F10E@worldnet.att.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928249611 11192 12.72.0.11 (1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17960 A few years ago Dear Abbey ran a long discussion of this topic of toilet paper flap up or down, with many writers sending in passionate opinions of why one way or another is superior. One young woman pretty much ended the matter by writing in to say that she was looking for a young man with rather more on his mind than such topics. Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >toilet paper on the holder. > > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.primenet.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:09:29 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7j0t39$hn6$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17961 To pollinator's response I'll also add for SE Penn, depending where you are, wild roses and various brambles (some ending, some just getting started) and honeysuckles. There is also a little wild mustard still blooming, though that tends to be an earlier source. Dave T. Gabe (Redshrike@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Hi all, : I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. : I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this : area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this : area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the : heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? : Thanks, : Gabe -- From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:19:52 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928261143 23073 12.72.3.32 (1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17962 Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a few times. The season is still early here at 3,000 feet, but the days are hot. The blackberry and star thistle are still weeks from bloom, so why would bees ignore one of the few feed sources around, especially when it's only about 20 feet from home? Beetools wrote: > > Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree > with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - > only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng > flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower > before visiting and stop when it drops. > > This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers > providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their > orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever > crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a > buzz. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee From Steve_Hird@hp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: Steve Hird Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No brood question Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:18:31 -0500 Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 13 Message-ID: <375415E7.B908E609@hp.com> Reply-To: Steve_Hird@hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mtdsteve.lvld.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17963 I have three hives now, one from a swarm I captured two weeks ago. One of the other hives has no developing brood, but does have at least one queen cell that is occupied. Early in the spring the queen was laying fine. This hive may have created the captured swarm. There is still plenty of worker bees in the hive. Should I be worried about this lack of brood? Is it maybe a lull caused by the swarm leaving and the new queen taking over or maybe a mid honey flow lull in bee production? any ideas would be helpful. Maybe the queen cells are the bees attempt to remedy this problem? None of my bee keeping books has any mention of this sort of situation. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:01:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 1:53:26 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17964 Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a >few times What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:14:03 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1835081DES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17965 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > Definitely so the TP rolls off towards you. Aaron Morris - thinking bandwidth is a wonderful thing to waste! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:16:07 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17966 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From beetools@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:50:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17967 Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower before visiting and stop when it drops. This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a buzz. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From barry@birkey.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:44:00 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17968 In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > >> >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >>toilet paper on the holder. >> > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. Barry From bek@e-postboks.dk Tue Jun 1 22:02:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news100.image.dk!news020.image.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bernd Kuemmel" Subject: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Organization: privat Message-ID: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:09:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.70.53 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@image.dk X-Trace: news020.image.dk 928271357 212.54.70.53 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34662 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17969 sci.agriculture.fruit:2778 sci.bio.botany:9889 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8903 Dear Reader I am currently investigating the following, unfortunately very difficult, questions: 1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every 2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many flowering days can I count on)? 2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? 3. If I increase the share of SRC willow from 0 to 5% (or 10%) of a 1 square kilometre (c. .35 sq miles) area, how much would this extra pollen during spring mean for the build-up of the bee family (like in how much would its size [=number bees in %] be enlarged)? 4. What would this better start during spring mean for the summer honey production? I especially need information on question 1. I would especially appreciate guidance to literature, or also IN, references. Thank you in advance. Bernd Kuemmel From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 22:02:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:15:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-108.hyalgan.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 928279020 8175 62.136.71.108 (1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17970 Used fondant for three years now and it is excellent. Some of the advantages: Easy to store Does not deteriorate like unused syrup No mixing Can feed many colonies very quickly - particularly useful in a bad Spring No need for expensive feeders No leaking syrup No robbing Can be fed at any time of the year I have made up some simple ekes - 2.5 inches high - and place one of these on the colony above the brood box. I then cut the 12.5 kg block of fondant in half lengthways and place it cut side down directly on the queen excluder, crown board on top, then roof. I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Last Autumn I fed and treated 90 colonies in 8 hours; I am sure that it would have taken longer just to mix up syrup. David Smith wrote in message <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com>... >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:49:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928280897 12297 12.72.192.148 (1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17971 Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From calin@ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:25:03 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928283052 9616 203.63.79.234 (2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17972 You situation is very much like the one in "swarm in a tree" (just 2 posts before yours) My reply that post also applies to you except except that instead of cutting down the tree you COULD open up about 1 or 2 square metres of the wall. The website mentioned in that reply answers a lot of the questions you friend is asking you todd@interadnet.com wrote: > First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour > post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. > > Situation: > A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the > walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if > possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them > started.) > > Problem > 1. We've never done this before. > 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" > 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. > 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a > Pesticide solution. > > Options > How do we get the queen/swarm out? > We've heard of drumming? > Could we bait with a caged queen? > Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? > Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? > > Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. > > BTW were in Apex NC. > > Thanks > Todd Wittlief From honeybs@radix.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:14:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j1u8n$24b$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17973 David Smith wrote: >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? The liquid smoke is similar to a cigarette butt in a urinal - it's very hard to light! On the serious side I like it for one or two colonies but for real serious bee work I prefer old smokey. It seems to give better control. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From helmick@webtv.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <24024-37548A7B-85@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApNW0/b0hIstGJxixFiL3DdDhpLcCFCWWPxatGl2oWAfoeAohTU9IBR05 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17974 I remember when the toliet paper came by the page and we "crumbled" (especially the shiney pages. From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:08:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:19:41 GMT X-Trace: 928289981.009.42 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17975 Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self expression. For further enlightenment I offer the following: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html AL Barry Birkey wrote: > > In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu > (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > >> > >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >>toilet paper on the holder. > >> > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name > rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think > it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of > perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP > that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated > type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of > any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention > of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's > discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. > > I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers > that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND > THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be > tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and > this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." > > Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. > > Barry From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:18:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17976 Timothy Dobbs wrote: > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > harvest honey? > Tim Dobbs > tdobbs@aug.edu greetings, guess it depends on your definition of 'easiest.' others have already mentioned blowers, which certainly are quick. but, for my couple of hives i use inner covers, fitted with a couple of one-way porter escapes and inserted between the super and the rest of the hive. leave on overnight. the bees migrate down to the colony at night and can't get back into the super(s). works really well, and i usually only have a handful of bees to brush off the frames the next day. being an overnight process it is not the quickest, but it is very easy, having no power requirements or equipment to transport [except for the modified inner covers]. as an aside, i left two empty supers out on the lawn for 'just a couple of minutes' a couple of weeks ago. big mistake. in minutes they had bees all in and around 'em. i stacked them and put an escape board on top upside down. i watched as the bees exited via the porter escapes, but could not get back inside. they were VERY persistent, but failed to a one. in a half hour the supers were empty of bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 02:40:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <19990601224001.14546.00008327@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17977 They have to open the wall and clean out the dead bees and honey and brood. Otherwise the smell of several pounds of dead bees is going to make them open the wall anyway. Also you need to remove the comb and pack the cavity with insulation otherwise bees will find it again next year or next month because it is the right size and now smells like bees. You may be able to trap the field bees as they emerge over a few weeks and lessen the amount of dead bees in the wall . I would walk away from this swarm now but when I was a new beekeeper I would have tried it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From millerb@acm.org Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Bryan Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Parasites on wasps? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:46:50 -0700 Organization: Manky Pro Inc Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37549B1A.E675CAC5@acm.org> Reply-To: millerb@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca13-215.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 7:46:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17978 Has anyone ever seen what appears to be small red mites on the abdomen of paper wasps? I have heard several anecdotal reports but have never seen this first hand. cheers, Bryan From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 05:00:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> Message-ID: <19990602010047.15023.00002694@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17979 >3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. >4 >We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a >Pesticide solution. > >BTW were in Apex NC. > >Thanks >Todd Wittlief Todd, There is no other way to remove these bees except by removing part of the wall. Unless you have a month or two to use a funnel escape and a second hive , even then there is NO guarantee. Please explain to your friends that if the colony is sprayed then that is only the beginning. The wax will melt this summer allowing the pesticide enriched honey to run down the walls and soak into anything it touches, leaving permanent stains. Give me some exact info on the colony and i'll try to help further. what type of house is it? where are the bees going in ? how long has it been there ? is there a reason that removing part of the wall is impossible ? Get back to me asap on this, I might even be able to come up and help you guys do the job. You get the bees and the honey I get the money. Mail or phone 910-814-0540 Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:06:01 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3754ADA9.58D5@povn.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp225.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17980 AL wrote: > > Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - > *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, > top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self > expression. > > For further enlightenment I offer the following: > http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html Yo Al (probably an alias) & all: I hereby rescind any statement I may have made earlier in regards to beekeepers being particularly busy this time of the year, however I do still stand by my assertion that they *can* be a bit testy at times... :-) Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From todd@interadnet.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com From: todd@interadnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Reply-To: todd@interadnet.com Message-ID: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:02:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 928270935 207.22.135.3 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17981 First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 21:51:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990601175118.28279.00002087@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17982 Folded not crumpled. Less waste, more efficient. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:01 GMT References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090401.21307.00000009@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17983 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: >The comment, as quoted by Hubbell, came from none other than C.P Dadant, and >implied that talented beekeepers care so deeply about attention to detail, >that >in their fussiness they can get a little cranky. Also Skip writes "And, as pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat testy even on a good day." Other professions such as accountants and computer programmers tend to have to pay great attention to detail. I don't hear of them being testy, cranky or bitchy. These are traits I sure don't want to pick up as a new beekeeper. Maybe bee person should operate their apiary in such a way to avoid this scenario. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shopping for NZ honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090400.21307.00000008@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17984 A man was selling honey at market that was from New Zealand. He said that it was a beekeeper's paradise. Man was also made some claims about the honey which I won't say here because I haven't researched the validity.He let me try about 10 different types. After trying so many it was hard to differentiate between them. He also had some comb honey. I want to buy some comb honey but I am not sure of criteria to use when buying. I have a video on comb honey but it doesn't really tell you what to look for when buying. Is freshness important and is quality of comb important ? Its a great product. From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!raptor.com!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:13:55 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17985 I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank you in advance for your insight. Jesse From spmr@msn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> Subject: Re: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:28 +0100 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34670 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17986 sci.agriculture.fruit:2779 sci.bio.botany:9891 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8908 Bernd Kuemmel wrote in message <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek>... >Dear Reader >1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every >2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would >produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many >flowering days can I count on)? > >2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? Don't forget that certain Andrena species (Apidae; Andreninae) (A.clarkella, A.praecox, A.apicata, A.ruficrus and probably others in continental Europe) depend on Salix pollen as do (indirectly) their various Nomada cleptoparasites. Bombus spp. (especially B.terrestris) is also a common visitor to male Salix. Good luck with the project Stuart Roberts From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990522221647.29567.00003817@ng-fg1.aol.com> <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:00 -0400 Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <3748430e.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 May 1999 13:03:58 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17987 >Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? Anything with a stone, peaches, cherries...... -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj bees at Kiff.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:42:13 +0100 Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.200.89 Message-ID: <37488f07.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 24 May 1999 00:28:07 GMT, 195.34.200.89 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.200.89 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17988 Just some passing thoughts on this thread It depends what you mean by porous Polythene is waterproof but it is still "Porous" Thats why crisps go stale in 6 weeks unless they are in aluminised bags where they can last for 6 months. Aluminium foil has a much better performance than polythene (or whatever you want to call it locally) and is often used as a vapour barrier in buildings you need the structure to be moisture permeable to help stop condensation on the inside surfaces of the hive. But to keep the timber dry it is essential not to have an impermeable coating on the outside. Although a water repellent coating on both sides is very useful. It is not the porosity of wood that gives good heat insulation but the cell structure which provides for a multitude of air spaces. As you are all probably aware water has a high conductivity rate and in damp timber fills most of the air spaces but the density of the timber also has some effect as well -- Rj, England UK bees@kiff.net if replying direct use address above or remove REMOVE from posted address Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com... > You could be right Peter > But 'non porous' suggests low insulation factor which could cause > condensation > The propolis provides a membrane against a porous wall. Just like in a > building > So with timber you have a porous, well insulated (against heat and cold > extremes), 'waterproofed' and workable material. > BUT is brace comb such a problem if the bee space is maintained? > I don't reckon so. > Regards > Chris D > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Does anyone believe that any hive is porous? All of the inner surface has > a > >thin coating of propolis - and propolis is waterproof! > > > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com>... > >>Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the > >hive. > >>Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. > >>Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? > >> > > > > > > From dalbin@sprint.ca Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-02.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Albin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees, capture & store? Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:40:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.77.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-02.sprint.ca 928345054 149.99.77.138 (Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17989 Can bumblebees be captured and stored from one season to the next? We farm in Southern Ontario, Canada. Thanks Doug From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:07:02 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Message-ID: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17990 I forgot to mention, I live in Upstate New York. Jesse Hunter wrote: > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank > you in advance for your insight. > > Jesse From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 16:50:39 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:49:18 GMT X-Trace: 928345758.417.55 KRFRRPH9I1C57CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17991 Hi, Yer doomed . Once they move in, and the pheromones, and the combs, and the honey, and the smells of a hive are there, it will attract endless repetitions of your problem . And the sugar will attract ants, and other insects . And the sugar will, with moisture, rot the wood, of the structure . And the brood will rot . And, all that wood, with honey running down through it is going to attract rats, and mice, insect pests, who knows what ? Better to bite the bullet, and do it right . Or, live with the bees . According to the books, I'm still reading, there are houses in the old world, that have lived with bees for decades . It could be worse . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 2:02PM, in message <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net>, todd@interadnet.com wrote: First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Fri Jun 4 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.lafn.org!lafn.org!lafn.org!am197 From: ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Subject: Help with Hive. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Message-ID: <1999May24.130812.22862@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:12 GMT Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17992 I noticed a swarm in my backyard yesterday in northern Ohio. Found a football size hive about 6' off the ground in a pine tree. Should I do anything? Is it safe to mow here.? To me they looked like honeybees but I cant be sure. The "hive" just looked like a beard made of bees. e-mail please. THANKS -- am197@lafn.org OR ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17993 In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common for bees. What is formula for bee space? Thanks From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:12 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17994 I have also had good luck with Benadryl, I take the maximum dose 1 hour before I start any operation where I won't be able to stop and remove stingers - like before I climb a ladder to hive a swarm (they may be cranky) or if a storm overturned many hives. Antihistamines work much better if they in your bloodstream before the venom is because they block the release of histamine, they don't destroy what is already released or undo the effects of the histamine that has already acted on your cells. After a sting (within an hour or 2 at most) a paste of Adolph's meat tenderizer will dissolve some of the venom. This is particularly useful in areas with poor circulation. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >True to a point, the Benadryl liquid filled caplets can be pierced and squeezed >out under the tongue. >I wouldn't rely on it entirely rather using it in conjuction with an epi pen. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT References: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000119@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17995 I was wondering in having bees in hives would that noticeably help to propogate the plants in a bare field. Like for instance if you plant wild flowers or other plants in clumps would presence of bees in hives help to spread wildflowers over entire field. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:27 GMT References: <19990601095208.13702.00004470@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000120@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17996 I've opted for shaking vines once a day. When you shake the vines you get the tomato plant fragrance, as well, which is nice. Thanks to all From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Fri Jun 4 06:48:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:05:19 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7j42t1$sf$1@gxsn.com> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.56 X-Trace: 928354017 1NNUCNF1G8538C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17997 Ken I really love this reply I'm still chuckling Chris Real Name: wrote in message ... >Hi, > > Yer doomed etc etc . > > It could be worse . > >Ken . From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Jun 4 06:48:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New manual to Bidata! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:32:18 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7j4f25$c9a$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip82.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 928366469 12586 195.249.242.82 (2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17998 New updated software But here to read first If you want information about my software: I have put up a new manual to my software. It is not a technical manual, but also gives some advice about slecting queens based on some criteria, that all are genetic bound and therefore possible to change over a few years. Have a lokk at this manual http://apimo.dk/programs/engmanus.zip is around 400KB best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:40:22 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:36:38 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jun 2 16:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp040.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3755c073.39389378@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17999 Jesse Hunter wrote: >I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for >a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other >acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these >trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the >couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank >you in advance for your insight. > >Jesse Jesse, in what part of the world is your yard located? Climate plays an important role in the selection of bee forage. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GRIDLOCK !!! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:08:47 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:07:25 GMT X-Trace: 928368445.557.87 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18000 Hi, OR : What a difference a couple of days make ! I thought they were busy before . NOT !!! The foragers can't easily make it back into the hive, for all the bees heading out to the flowers . About time . ALL THAT GOOD ADVICE AT WORK !!! Thanks-guys ! Ken . From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:21:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-pro NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:19:58 GMT X-Trace: 928369198.010.86 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18001 Hi, I saw that insertion tool, at the feed store, but I think that an ice pick, or mechanic's scribe is better, because it cleans out the hole, as it inserts the grommet . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/29/99 5:55AM, in message <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@l ibrary-pro, "dewitt" wrote: On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the foundation? cliff > Did you insert metal eyelets in the endbar holes? If not, you'll find the > wire cuts into the wood, which makes it difficult to get a tight draw (or > one that stays tight if you do). If you didn't use them, order them. They > are cheap (about $2.00 per 1000). While you're at it, don't forget the > little punch used to drive them into the endbar holes (.85 cents). > Together, they'll help you get strong cross-wires in the frame. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 00:03:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:01:51 GMT X-Trace: 928371711.676.101 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18002 Hi, Does this mean we gotta take our hives to the bee dentist, for dental appliances ? forty thousand of them ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 4:49PM, in message <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian beekeeping Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:39:05 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.68.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18003 Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? Keith From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:50 GMT References: <928040059.662063@ridge.spiritone.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065050.08632.00004236@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18004 I didn't mean to insult any woodworker maybe I should have said a person who diddles around with wood (like myself). I have the greatest respect for anybody who could make their own hive My choice is the top bar hive. Even at my skill level I am going to make a nice one with scrap half log cedar siding . From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:51 GMT References: <7iqflv$er4$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065051.08632.00004237@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18005 I have a real nice site that you envision. Can I now label my honey "organic". Who is Peter A. Archives are tedious to search From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:09:59 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.28 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 11:02:44 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18006 carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > >Thank you, > >Carol & Evelyn >Ozark Mtns. - MO Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy package. Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 7 questions for the beeblical elite. Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 18:21:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990530142157.15944.00003562@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18007 From: npatt@snet.net >I have 2 deep and 1 shallow for the bees. Above that I have 2 shallows, one >brand new with foundation and one that I put on a while ago. > >The hive is absolutely packed with bees, brood and honey. > >The queen is laying very well. > >I'm concerned about it swarming. > > >Questions: > >1. I've read about clipping the queen's wings. Is this wise at this time? >or ever? Nope. The hive will swarm with a virgin queen, if the old queen cannot go. And you'll have a deformed queen, which could stimulate supersedure, when she obviously is a very good queen. Why mess with a good thing? >2. The top shallow super I put on is full of honey. Can I extract this now? Sure, and get it back on quickly. They'll love the wet comb, and may fill it again very quickly. >3. I just put one shallow on the hive. Should I put more on? Probably. Especially if the top one is now full. I always add supers, if I can see whitened comb (new wax) when I look down into the top super. The same is true if it is simply full of bees. Check with local beekeepers as to your flows in the area. >4. When examining the hive for queen cells, do I go through every super and >every frame in search of queen cells? NO! Let them BEE. You could demoralize them and stop their productivity. If you are seriously concerned about swarming, break the two deeps apart with your hive tool, tilt one up a bit, and see if there are cells between the boxes. > Will there be some this early? I am of the impression that this is a hive you just started, ie., this year's queen. It's not likely that they'll swarm unless you crowd them badly. If it is last year's queen, she is programmed to go, and probably will, as soon as the flow is interrupted by a spell of bad weather. If you see cells, split the two brood boxes apart, set one on a new bottom board. Put the weakest one on the old stand, make sure both halves have a cell or two. Presto, you now have two hives -- after - you've made a honey crop. Chances are, at least one half will make a crop again, tho that depends on your local flows. >5. Is there any place to find a little extractor that handles say, 2 or 3 >frames at a time? Check with your local bee club. They may have one for loan. >6. When do I put on a queen excluder? At this point they have probably pushed down the queen, due to the honeyflow. But I have seen times when the bottom box is empty. Check. If the flow tends to stop later, and you do not take all the honey, then get the queen below an excluder, or they will fill the supers with brood, and eat up the honey. This happens here in South Carolina, if I have a good queen, and leave supers on without excluders. Since my super comb is pretty poor brood comb, this can make a pretty poor hive. Also, they will come up to winter with no honey, as they've consumed it. Your best bet tho, is to consult with area beekeepers who know your conditions. >7. How do I not ruin a good situation? The old beekeeper saying: "If there's no flow, you can hardly do anything right; if there is a flow, you can hardly do anything wrong." One exception to the above -- not having supers on when there is a flow. If you find burr comb under the cover, when you lift it, you have lost a lot of honey, and you will be crowding your queen and shutting her off. You should always have excess supers, so that when the flow ends, there will be one empty super on top. That was the one they temporarily stored nectar in, and moved it down when it was concentrated. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From h.tait@home.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net> Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:40:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928089650 24.65.109.178 (Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18008 JKimbro wrote in message news:374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net... > I've had a similar reaction. In fact it's on the verge of worrying me. I > picked up an Epipen just to be safe. I got zapped in the thigh with just the > normal, 'oh damn,,,I just got stung',,, but then I got stung in the ankle and > it swelled up for four days! I've been keeping bees for about four years now > with no other serious reactions,,,I just can't help but to think it would be > just MY luck that now I'm allergic! > During a season I pick up hundreds of stings, 24 the other day in a 4 inch square. But little or no reaction. What I have noticed is that when stung on the ankle, I swell up as well cant put dress shoes on for a couple days ). The only time I seem to swell >from stings is when it is in an area where blood flow and circulation is poor. So I think your luck is still good for the most part. hugh From beeman@kingston.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rush hour? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:21:03 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:22:54 GMT X-Trace: 928110174.335.41 QANSHOMNI30AECDBDC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18009 Hi Everybody, I have been noticing that my hives all get VERY busy around the entrance starting at 3:30 and lasting until 4:00. Afterwards they settle back down. It appears that the bee traffic is going in both direction, with maybe the greater percent returning to the hive. They are all pretty much normal activity through out the rest of the day. The hives are located in different yards. I'm located in south eastern Ontario. Has anybody else noticed this? It's been a dry hot spring here. With limited rain. The spring flow was ok. We need more rain for the clover. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From islapro@islapro.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian beekeeping Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:41:06 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <37523D12.1E9AB7AA@islapro.com> References: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip243.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18010 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Once in a while a fellow from Italy get involved in this forum, his address is : afichera@iol.it His first name is Alexander, and writes in english. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Keith Hooker escribió: > > Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? > > Keith --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3-- From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:25:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990531072545.11739.00002643@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18011 From: "Gabe" >I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. >I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this >area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this >area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the >heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? Are your soils acid, or high lime? That is a critical difference, as there will be entirely different sets of nectar producers depending on your answer. In eastern Pennsylvania you can often go from one set to another in a short walk. High lime soils are based on limestone or marble. Acidic soils are based on shales, slates, granite, gneiss and such underlay. Sometimes the soils that are naturally acidic have been modified for agriculture with massive additions of lime. On the high lime soils you have an earlier season. Look for locust (which I imagine would be blooming about now in your area), tulip poplar, sweet clover (should be blooming about the end of June), alfalfa (first cutting is usually mowed before it blooms, but second cutting in July or early August may bloom extensively and give a fine honey. Other kinds of clovers also yield in early to mid summer, but sweet clover is the best. I'm not sure if you have star thistle (knapwee) that far south, but if you do, it's a fine honey. Basswood (wild or sometimes planted along streets as "linden,") is a very minty light honey. On acidic soils, your main crop probably will be goldenrod, which will grow on sweet soils, but won't yield worth a darn there. That is a late summer flow. Often you can move bees a short distance in mid summer and make both the early and late flows. Along the rivers, look for Japanese bamboo, which is considered a noxious weed, but makes a fine honey (it really is a wild buckwheat). If you can find a buckwheat field near you, boy are you ever in for a treat! Also near swamps another weed, purple loosestrife, which blooms for six weeks and makes a low grade honey (looks like Pennzoil and doesn't taste much better), but, hey, it's honey.... There are lots of other plants that fill in the flow. If you live in or near town, a lot of ornamental shrubs may yield a bit here and there, and in the aggregate, make a good yield for a few hives. One of the neat things about keeping bees is that you will also become a botany student. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-corner Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:34:53 GMT References: <37520FEB.1BB2@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531073453.25969.00001326@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18012 Would like to hear about positive experiences in the use of Top Bar Hives. From cde049@airmail.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:55:26 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 41 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7its58$8f5@library.airnews.net> References: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> <19990530125401.10853.00005391@ngol04.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon May 31 06:35:04 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![6YN1k-W^iKAh" (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18013 That is what got me interested in this in the first place. I have had a feral hive out side my office window, here in Dallas, for the last four years. It is hung from the bottom of a tree branch, it is not in a hollow space and it is growing in leaps and bounds. That started me thinking that perhaps is surviving because mites that fall off the bees fall to the ground and can not get back up to the host. If I can find some one with a scanner locally I will post some pictures. I have watched this hive since it swarmed from a column on a house that was restored. I knew about the hive in the column for about 7 months before the restoration started. I saw the "football" and the first bits of comb that was drawn this hive is what got me interested in Beekeeping. Every winter it shrinks back up into the center combs and every spring is grows more and more. I keep binoculars in my office just to watch the hive in the winter so I know this is a continuos colony not one that has died out and been replaced. I have never tried to inspect it for varroa but the fact that it is over two years old and growing every year indicated to me that it is healthy. Cliff > I looked at the website, and quoting..."The principle of the anti-varroa > bottom board has come from the fact that: wild colonies of honey bees can be > found, free of varroa, in highly infested areas..." This is not a true fact > that I am aware of. In fact, my observation is that varroa has greatly reduced > the feral populatio, at least here in Texas. It may be difficult to find wild > colonies with great contamination of Varroa, generally because they are already > dead. If there are a few wild feral colonies really thriving, no doubt they are > still free of Varroa. > Am I incorrect here? From collinsb@portobello.ie Fri Jun 4 06:49:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Bill Collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding hived swarm Organization: Portobello College X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:45:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.212.62 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 928150676 194.125.212.62 (Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18014 Hi I'm a Dublin based newcomer to bees I was lucky enough to come across a swarm last week which with the help of an experienced beekeeper I managed to hive. I've tried feeding the swarm, but they have only taken about half the syrup feed (2 bags sugar 1/2 gal water mixed. ) The bees appear to be bringing in lots of pollen to the hive. The feeder I made from an empty catering tin of instant coffee which I made perforations in the lid . This I placed over the opening in the crown board . Any advice,comments appreciated. Thanks Bill Collins From fordcar@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:47:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7iu0dq$ddn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 31 12:47:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18015 David - Thanks for the information...much appreciated! Carol & Evelyn Ozark Mtns. - MO In article <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: > >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. > >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in > >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > > > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > > > >Thank you, > > > >Carol & Evelyn > >Ozark Mtns. - MO > > Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or > split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that > in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using > what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized > frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, > the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds > have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of > rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers > snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy > package. > > Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of > other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): > > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX > Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 > The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 > Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ52b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.121 X-Trace: typ52b.nn.bcandid.com 928159859 216.100.28.121 (Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:15:18 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18016 Supersedure they call it, George, :0), as I became superannuated. In article <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > > Peter, are you aware that someone has switched bodies with you? > From lauramleek@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 04:10:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603001013.21823.00000228@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18017 Liquid benedryl is available and very fast acting. A bottle cost me $1.50 american. Laura From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:30:50 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 96 Message-ID: <37561309.5E10@povn.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp171.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18018 Jesse Hunter wrote: > > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Yo Jesse: I would have thought you would be snowed under by replies on this subject by now. Since that doesn't seem to be the case I will offer what advice I can. I'm not exactly sure what garden zone you are in but I would venture a guess that you would be roughly the same as us, Z 4 ½ to 5? Not knowing your soil type, preferences, local zoning ordinances (if any) time period you are willing to work with until said trees, etc. are mature enough to produce pollen and/or nectar. etc., I will try to relate what *I* would consider doing under the same circumstances. Please keep in mind this is one person's opinion only, it is *not* meant to in any way be a complete list of what you might find advantageous to plant in your area, nor do I make any claim of being particularly an expert on this subject. In addition I would first check with any local beekeeping clubs, individual beekeepers and nurseries, although I would try to confirm any nursery information unless you are *sure* the source actually knew anything about bee plants. :-) I'm going to assume you will be keeping your bees in one location and will not be capable of moving them to the various nectar sources as the availability changes. Under these conditions I would be primarily interested in providing a spread of plants that would be producing a nectar flow at different times of the year. This would be with the goal of having, to the extend possible, each flow starting as the previous one matured. I will relate what species that have worked well for us, you will need to check locally to see if the flowering dates would work for you, as well as to the suitability of each species for your local growing conditions. First of all I would concentrate on the early spring need for pollen. I would plant pussy willows and other willows if space and soil type allow. I would also put in various maples, mt. ash, service berry, poplar, aspen, tulip poplar, catalpa, honeysuckle, nanking cherries, sand cherries and all possible fruit trees, with the exception of pears. If you have the soil, location, water, time and interest I certainly would put in as much of an herb garden as possible. Once established, herbs require minimum care for the most part. The various herbs blended with clover, or whatever else is available, makes the most interesting honey, and marketed as "Herb & (whatever)" it sells like a charm. :-) There may be an herb or two that doesn't produce good honey but if so, we haven't run across them yet. :-) We utilize chives, borage, mint, lavender, sage, catnip, basil and thyme. I'm not sure if tansy is classified as an herb or just a plain ole weed, but *don't* plant it under any circumstances. a. t. A. You don't mention a vegetable or perennial garden in your plans. If so, I would consider as many raspberries and blackberries as you can possibly work in, seed onions, leaving at least some broccoli to flower, blueberries, scabiosa, hollyhocks, sunflowers, crocus, strawberries, cukes, squash, pumpkins, zucchini and early blooming tulips. If you are considering putting some of the acreage into pasture then check out vetch, alfalfa and all of the clovers except red clover. I would definitely consider planting as much buckwheat as possible. I don't know if you are a beer drinker or not, but buckwheat honey is the honey equivalent of stout in the beer world. :-) The really neat thing about buckwheat, in addition to being a good first crop plant when cultivating new acreage, is that (weather permitting) you can plan your seeding so that the bloom coincides with a dry period of other available bee plants. Check with your local seed supplier but I *think* seeding to bloom time is 60 days with buckwheat. One additional caveat: all of the above information can be pretty much useless without a soil test before you attempt to raise anything on your plot. Yes, it is possible you could get lucky and do quite well without one, but knowing what your soil condition is before you invest your time and $ will go a long way towards making sure the crop is a success instead of "Damn, I wonder what went wrong?" Contact your local extension office, garden center or national catalog garden supply outfit. Any one of them should be able to instruct you as to how to collect soil samples, where to have the test done and then instruct you as to what amendment(s), if any, you will need to add to maximize your growth potential. I hope this is of some help. If I have confused you, or can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to drop us an e-mail. Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From liabilite@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: treatmeat for brood Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 06:07:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18019 Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:47:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 22:47:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt; AltaVista 1.01.01) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18020 In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common > for bees. > What is formula for bee space? > Thanks There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a space of 7mm free of brace comb. "Listen to the bees, they know best" > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:34:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7j21n0$6ke$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 01:34:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18021 In article <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 > tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Interesting. Isn't thymol just a fancy way of saying oil of thyme, the herb? Are you saying that you don't use Apistan or formic acid? How long have you been using this? Do you find it effective? And can you elaborate on the method, where you obtain the thymol, etc.? Do you extract it yourself from thyme? TIA. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jun 4 06:49:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 08:59:09 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18022 In article <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) writes: > >Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? One 6.4 oz packet of water soluable TM-25, three 1 lb boxes of Domino Confectioners Sugar, mix thoroughly, treat hives with 1 rounded tablespoon sprinkled over ends of the frames 3 times at three to five day intervals. NO HONEY SUPERS for 6 WEEKS after treatments. Surf to: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/97oct3.htm or better yet, READ THE LABEL! Aaron Morris - thinking RTFM! From shuston@riverace.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:52:36 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <375696B4.F50F154F@riverace.com> References: <7j40jo$ri0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: U+UxD0Hv9mYAQooxIeGKPvaVtY7g/9wciol4L2fzOqc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 14:52:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18023 Warning - this is my first beekeeping season, so don't bet the farm on this reply ;-) I had read/learned to add a second box when about 8 frames were drawn (not full of brood). Keep careful watch, though, to be sure the queen has space to lay. For example, if they start filling frames with honey in the middle, do something - I was advised to add the second box, move a couple of drawn frames (without honey in them) to the top box. Within a week, those frames were completely drawn and full of eggs, and I was a happy camper once again :-) If you're a beginner, it is wise to read and, if possible, get a local, experienced beekeeper's advice - ideally get him/her to come over and take a look at your hive. -Steve tim_jk@my-deja.com wrote: > > Looking for suggestions on adding my second brood box. > I have 5 full frames of brood now. Thought I remember > reading about adding after 8 to 9 frames of brood, but > not sure. Any help appreciated. > > Tim > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:28:27 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18024 Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left on the ends of the frames. Thanks for the insight, Jesse beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary > by type > > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space > is common > > for bees. > > What is formula for bee space? > > Thanks > > There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a > space of 7mm free of brace comb. > > "Listen to the bees, they know best" > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Fri Jun 4 06:49:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:38:05 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3756A15D.48486C57@lambton.on.ca> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18025 Several years ago, when my family was in the beekeeping business, we use to use cardboard boxes which would fit tightly over the hive. I don't know if such an animal is available today. Mark Veltman Jajwuth wrote: > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:55:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18026 Yes there could be ill effects. Odd as it may sound, if they are too well insulated they may use up their stores too soon and starve. Rather than rewrite what has already been said, the following is from an article written by George Imirie: "Bees don't eat very much when they are INactive in the months of November and December when the Queen is not laying! The easiest winter, when very little food is used, is when it gets real cold at Halloween and STAYS, cold. so the bees practically don't move around. , at all and just huddle up sharing warmth in a nice cluster." The entire article is at http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/georges.spring.html George I. is in Maryland. I am in California where wintering consists of going from a 7/8" entrance to 3/8". Maybe someone from the northeast or Canada can provide some more info on wintering. Do you even wrap them up there anymore? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jajwuth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: hives insulated for comfort > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:04:42 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18027 Depends on if they are drawn or not. Foundation should be 10 frames pushed tight together. It doesn't much matter if they are right, left or center as long as it is not too tight on the sides. After they are drawn they can be spread out. I usually remove 1 after they are drawn and run with 9. Easier to manipulate in the brood chamers and easier to uncap from the honey supers. Drawn frames can be spread out from the git-go. Jesse Hunter wrote in message news:37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com... > Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should > the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or > should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left > on the ends of the frames. > > Thanks for the insight, > Jesse From totoruner1@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: totoruner1@aol.com (Totoruner1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS NEEDED Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:06:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603120624.21532.00000057@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18028 How would you like to make $1,000.00 - $5,000.00 a month? No startup money required. We will train. Its fun, easy, and only take a few hours a day. You set your own schedule. Fully legal and you'll help people enrich their lives. If you have a computer and Internet access then you're ready to start. Contact: Totoruner1@aol.com Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:49:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:26:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603122644.03073.00000047@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18029 It's hot provide good ventilation by propping up the cover offsetting a super or puting match sticks between the boxes. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 103 Message-ID: <7j6703$84l@news1.snet.net> References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18030 npatt@snet.net wrote in message <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net>... >Here's the deal > >It's been hot and humid here in Connecticut. > >There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. I've kept bees in CT for 10 years now, and in the weather we have had the behaviour you described does occur in the abcense of swarm preparations. We need some more information to decide what is going on. How long has the clustering been intense - a 2 days or a week? If they exhibit the same behavior tomorrow (low humidity and 70s forcast) then a swarm is likely. Is the clustering only intense during the heat of the day? My bees often cluster on hot humid days - you can reduce it by improving ventilation. I offset 2 hive bodies by 1/4 inch or prop the outer cover with a small stone. A strong colony can easily defend this opening and the airflow helps evaporate the water from all the nectar a strong colony brings in. If conditions force them to cluster for more than about 4 days out of 7 they will often start swarm prep. Also, direct sunlight at the hottest part of the day exagerates this behavior - are your bees in a well ventilated and shady spot? How old is the queen? less than a year old things must be very cramped for a long time (weeks) to swarm, 1-2 and she'll swarm under moderate pressure and 2+ years old means she is probably already well into the swarm preperations and even if you stop this one, the next stretch of hot humid weather will send her flying. Is she honey bound (ie, have they filled in with honey more than just the edges of the middle 6 frames of each deep super)? You can extract some frames to give her more space, or make a split. Is there a lot of drone comb? That is a good indication of intent to swarm. >The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow supers this week. Are you in a good forage area? I have a friend who keeps bees an a poor forage area and can get away with waiting until June to super, but I've found my colonies in both the North West corner and North Central CT need supers by late March. If you had a strong colony in a good area, they probably are honey bound. > >While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could easily be many more >around. a queen cell or 2 on the bottom or edge of a frame is common even in a perfect colony. Bees build queen cells by majority rule - workers passing a site will add a little wax or remove a little, depending on the intensity of pheremones they have recieved lately (Gould & Gould - "The Honey Bee") so you always get a few malcontents starting cells on the fringe :-) Look in the queen cell for larva, and watch out if it is on the face of otherwise good worker comb. Queen cells with larva or cells on the face of good comb indicate high pressures to rear a new queen. Also, swarm cells (as opposed to emergency replacement cells) often vary in age. You may have found one mostly formed but 3 frames over there is one almost ripe! You should go through the hive frame by frame to see if there are others and what state they are in. > >Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? > >Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? Unless you have a young queen, know she has ample brood space, and know the clustering was only during the very hottest part of the day you should take further swarm prevention. Adding supers was a good first step, but you can give her more space to lay (either by extracting honey from brood frames, swapping full frames with a weaker colony, or putting in new brood frames), increase ventilation, provide more shade, split the colony, remove all queen cells, and/or requeen. It is important to note that simply removing the queen cells is not sufficient. If you do that and don't fix the reasons they did it to begin with, they will do it again in a week or 2. For cutting queen cells to work, it must be done once a week and if you miss one, they swarm! Remember that queens emerge 16 days from when the egg was laid, and bees can adapt a larva several days old, so 10 days is the minimum frequency for checking! One other "swarm prevention" technique that doesn't get much press is to simply clip the queen. If the bees rear a new queen, the old will try to fly but will die on the ground so the bees go back to the parent hive. This method of control assumes the bees have ample laying space, that the colony is stong enough to rear _healthy_ queens, that you are happy with the genetics of your colony, and that there are plenty of drones in the area for her to mate with. So what part of CT are you in? Are there other beehives nearby? What nectar and pollen sources are nearby? Are you interested in increasing the number of hives you have? Good luck Robert From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:47:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7j6f2h$lcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 03 17:47:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt; AltaVista 1.01.01) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18031 In article <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. This is a topic I am very interested in. Fully half our hives are in Styrofoam hives (hereafter called Poly boxes) Yes the bees winter better here-north east Scotland- in the poly boxes and there are behavioural differences between the two types. I am in a maritime climate and our biggest enemy is wetness/wind. In poly boxes even in the coldest frost the cluster can move accross the frames. Heat rises of course so between the crownboard and the roof is the warmest place and thats where they want to be if they can get there! The Poly boxes have a ventilated floor 10" X 10" which is covered by mesh. This helps keep them in touch with the real temp outside. Both our timber hives and the poly boxes are the same in that they both have ventilated floors and insulation above. In spring the timber hives rear brood as much as 3 weeks earlier than the poly boxes, however when the poly boxes switch on then they soon catch up and pass the timber hives. I suspect that the earlier brood rearing in the timber hives is a way of reducing moisture in the gut by producing brood food. As the winter bees in the poly boxes are not under the same stress they can afford to wait and are about longer to support the colony. We have Poly langstroth with 10 frames, timber langstroth, national hives timber and poly hives that take 12 ntional frames. The bees winter, under our conditions please note, best in the poly national, why well we think it's because the combs are paralel with the enterance, as opposed to the right angles situation in the langstroth. As a footnote the ventilated floors cost less as holes are cheap! Yes we know very Scottish! Peter Watt Listen to the bees, they know best. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive plans Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 20:42:48 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18032 I must compliment superior Web Site with plans for beehives that is made reference to by this group.. Noticeably absent to me is a plan for top bar hive. I know there is plans at other sites but not quality of what is on that site. >From what I read top bar hives can be made with simple hand tools which is an attraction to me.. My late dad was a professionaly skilled on use of table saw. He worked for 40yrs on wood working machinery. He always discouraged us as kids from using table saws, jointers etc. He said he saw far too many old boys in the shop loose fingers. He said could hear fingers ping off wall. Maybe it was just his way of saying get an education. >From what I read precision sawing of frames, box joints etc. is not that easy particularly if the wood happens to bind in table saw.. Don't get me wrong I would love to make my own langstroth hive and I admire anybody who does. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7j6oeb$4d64$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 928441611 000 192.168.254.73 (3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18033 i dont know know the answer to your question, but i do know that the Territorial seed company sells Bumblebee houses. and i think they see a book on it to. they have a web site, do a search engine From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:28:01 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 927765029 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 26 May 1999 17:30:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:30:29 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18034 Thank you for the info Paul. This raises one other question, however. Can Canadian breeders ship to the US without customs hassles? A Canadian bred queen might be better suited to Southern Maine than one from Texas, although I might try both as Adam Finklestein suggests for comparison. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:08:01 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7ii7ev$bla$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.234 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927768863 11946 12.72.41.234 (27 May 1999 01:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 01:34:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18035 You can achieve the same result in a Langstroth-type frame by just "seeding" the top bar with a narrow strip of foundation. Given the right conditions, the bees will fill the frame. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com... > Is it true that a top bar hive will produce purest most natural product since > no foundation is required. Its too bad that bureaucrats have outlawed them in > some areas of the country in favour of the langstroth type hive. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: non bee swarms? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:35:12 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ii7f0$bla$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com> <7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.234 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927768864 11946 12.72.41.234 (27 May 1999 01:34:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 01:34:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18036 English is a funny language. The answer to the first question could be yes. Ants, termites, etc swarm and are not honey bees. If the first qustion is asking if any bees, other than honey bees swarm, then the second question does not restate the first and needs to be posed as a separate question since wasps and yellow jackets are not bees. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > No. > > David Smith wrote in message <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com>... > >Is there such a thing as a non-honey bee swarm? That is, do > >wasps or yellow jackets swarm? > > From harrisonrw@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 22:58:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18037 Hi Norm, Don't worry about the bees hanging out. When it gets hot and sticky the hive gets too warm and the bee hang out on the front porch to cool the hive down so that the honeycomb does not start to sag and melt because of the high temp. If you notice in the early morning the bees will be back in the hive when the temps are cooler. Regards, Ralph Western CT Beekeepers Association>There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on virgin queen Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:40:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <374C62B5.4409@earthlink.net> <374C86F7.11EF038B@swbell.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 May 1999 09:42:25 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 27 02:45:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374D1319.9B1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18038 She was allowed to go out for her mating flight. I will not know for several days if she mated or not. Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:43:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990527000758.15034.00000620@ng-fn1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 May 1999 09:45:00 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 27 02:45:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374D13B3.1E72@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18039 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Flow goes well here > But its a darker honey than the last few years, I suppose the tulip popular are > making a comeback since the hurricane. > Before the come back we had a few years of almost clear, blackberry and gum and > clover. > Hows everyone else ? > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Here in Rocky Mount, NC the honey is really light this year with some of it nearly clear. Don From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 06:49:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:33:05 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 927800767 13694 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18040 Changing the base board on my Langstroth hive - adding a varroa floor (sigh) - I got two bees in my hood, which stung me on neck and back of head, and I was stung once on each arm. The head and left arm stings were a minor irritation, but the stingers were removed fairly quickly; hard to do when you have to keep the hood and gloves on! However, the right arm sting was down my glove, and I had to reassemble the hive, doing quite a bit of hefting, before I could attend to it. I also had quite a few followers, hence the delay. This sting was from an angrier bee What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the sting and/or the anger of the bees? I am fairly sure it's not allergic response as the other stings I hardly noticed. Mike P.S. Piriton syrup is a good bet as an antihistamine as it does not contain lactose (too which I am allergic) and is fairly vvegetarian! -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Fri Jun 4 06:49:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:10:35 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7ijcq3$fqn$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ihtij$6ee$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927807107 16215 129.173.88.206 (27 May 1999 12:11:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 12:11:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18041 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Does cutting out drone brood select for varroa that infest worker brood? Could be, but what's the point? As long as there are mites in the drone brood you get rid of them during the season. It's not the big hit but this is the only treatment you can do during honey flow. cheers Ulli From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:43:09 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <#QCya5Dq#GA.293@cpmsnbbsa02> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18042 > What types of sugar compounds Exist in Nectar > 1. > 2. 1. Sucrose 2. Glucose > What Types of sugar compounds do the bees convert this into for storage as > Honey ( or for their use in general ) > > 1. > 2. 1. Glucose 2. Fructose From markm@ntplx.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: markm@ntplx.net (mmm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help!! my bees are swarming Message-ID: <374d5e2b.20534058@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:03:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.164 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 927817434 204.213.188.164 (Thu, 27 May 1999 11:03:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:03:54 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18043 As I was in my garden, I noticed a huge mass of bees around my fairly inactive hive. Right now there are thousands of bees just milling around the outside of the hive. From seeing queens cells capped in recent weeks, all indications are that they are swarming. Since I'm a newbee, is there anything I can do? mark From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Jun 4 06:49:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring update of the beekeeping hivenote software! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:42:52 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7j744g$pa4$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 928453584 25924 195.249.242.68 (3 Jun 1999 23:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 23:46:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 79 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18044 First of I will introduce you to a 'personal' website in english! http://www.agrsci.dk/plb/cjb/cjb_home.htm It is showing a part of what Projectgroup Beekeeping (Research group for beekeeping) is working with! The holder of the site is special working with Varroa research! Second I will introduce the spring Updata of my hivenote software! HTTP://apimo.dk/programs/30-5-99update.exe to use this update : DO NOT UNINSTALL BIDATA! extract this files to a temp directory of your choise. run the setup.exe and install upon the instalation you have. The update is ment to replace with new files. the manual(s) is in RTF format. You can load it into winword, and the save it as a doc file, hvich will decrease the size. The reason for the rtf format is that it then can be read by word6 and word7. I have only word97 so thats why. You can dlete the following files : Bidat3245.hlp Bimanual dansk.rtf Bimanual engelsk.rtf after converting to bimanual english.doc after deleting those files you will have saved around 20MB diskspace. New manual New help file so that all items should be covered. You can choose if you want the software to run as a queen breader softwware or as hivenote software. you can now search and printout! New language drivers suported. nearly the whole world is covered. did you know that you just by editing the languagefile in Notepad.exe can turn the software into your language. Even Chinese is covered :-) the software is free for up to 5 hives. If you register the software for 20 hive or full You will recive A Cd-room with beekeeping related stuff and the latest edition of the hivenote software. registration prices is fair : 10 hives registration is 20USD 20 hives registration is 45USD included one years service by e-mail! Full registration is 100USD included two years service and free updates and service by e-mail.. You can online pay the registration by creditcard and will then be getting the registration information to register the software with. se the manual for introduktion to the software: http://apimo.dk/programs/engmanus.zip about 400Kb best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37571923.5FC653FC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:09:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 928454547 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:02:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:02:27 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18045 Jajwuth wrote: > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common > for bees. > What is formula for bee space? > Thanks The usual recommended top bar with for European bees is 1 3/8", so the brood combs end up spaced 1 3/8" on centers. A narrower spacing is called for when working with certain African subspecies. Then it is closer to 1 1/4". On the follow-up question: In a hive containing the fulll complement of brood frames, they are best maintained tight together, centered in the hive body, with the extra space balanced at the side-walls. This results in combs of even thickness and minimal propolis/burr comb buildup. From tomapis@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hobby queen rearing? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 00:17:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18046 Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts of the country. Tom..Email me replys if you want. From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 02:28:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603222849.27192.00000333@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18047 >The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow >supers this week. > good !!!! >While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one >uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could >easily be many more >around. very bad !!!!!!!!! don't stop till ya check it all, especially in this case >Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? > YESSSS !!!!!! >Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? > > yesssss !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 01:39:50 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 02:38:23 GMT X-Trace: 928463903.108.53 KRFRRPH9I1C69CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18048 Hi, I thought it was going to be a great idea, originally, but so far, it's turned out to be a loser . BUT : I took a bottom board, screwed some standoffs to the edges of the landing board, and attached a new landing board to the standoffs, right at the ends of the side shims . I had some old cedar cove moulding, and it turned out to have a just-perfect bevel, in just the right place, to make some short side boards, to keep it from blowing, or getting bumped off . It needs another guide board at the back . Something short, maybe six inches, and designed to keep a little tension against the back of the top super, and keep the new landing board tight against the outside wall of the super . A recurved spring would be all that it would take . I haven't done that yet, but on my next one, if there IS a next one, I'll take that into account . I turned it upside down, and used it to replace my top board/roof . The hive is well ventilated, and the bees have a new exit for the summer flow . No appreciation for my work : They almost totally ignore it, as an egress . Bees are such creatures of habit, that if it's not their usual door, it's not there to use . They did post a half-dozen guards at this new opening to their hive, and there is a forager coming, or going, every half a minute, or so; but as a door, it's a bust . For your purposes, though, it might be worth trying . When winter comes, you can replace it with a standard roof, in about a second, and everybody's happy . Or, possibly, leave it in place, and block the lower entrance, to avoid a thermal powered draft . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 3:58PM, in message <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com>, HarrisonRW wrote: Hi Norm, Don't worry about the bees hanging out. When it gets hot and sticky the hive gets too warm and the bee hang out on the front porch to cool the hive down so that the honeycomb does not start to sag and melt because of the high temp. If you notice in the early morning the bees will be back in the hive when the temps are cooler. Regards, Ralph Western CT Beekeepers Association>There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:49:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 02:55:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nl3$ls9$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990603225552.17938.00000248@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18049 > >If you can't read the label then what makes you think you >could read the directions here? > >Greg the beekeep > The 6.4 oz pkg sometimes comes with a piece of paper with directions sometimes not. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatment for brood Ask Who ? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 01:56:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 02:55:12 GMT X-Trace: 928464912.565.16 KRFRRPH9I1C69CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18050 Hi, The day I need to go to a civil servant for medicines, for me, or for my animals, is the day I look for a stronger, more aggressive militia . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 3:00PM, in message <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >In article <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> >liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) writes: > >> >>Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? > >One 6.4 oz packet of water soluable TM-25, three 1 lb boxes of Domino >Confectioners Sugar, mix thoroughly, treat hives with 1 rounded >tablespoon sprinkled over ends of the frames 3 times at three to five >day intervals. > >NO HONEY SUPERS for 6 WEEKS after treatments. > >Surf to: >http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/97oct3.htm >or better yet, READ THE LABEL! > >Aaron Morris - thinking RTFM! I'm willing to bet he doesn't have TM-25 or he would know the answer. Terramycin comes in different concentrations for treating different livestock. I have never seen a packet of Terramycin that didn't have the label attached. If these idiots keep this stuff up we will all need a veterinarian's prescription to buy our drugs for our bees. If you don't have the label - don't use it. We already have foulbrood that is resistant to TM! People like liabilite ARE the cause. We shouldn't encourage them. Greg the beekeep PS: Obviously he doesn't think therefore he can't bee. // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ffx.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.tli.de!blackbush.xlink.net!news.csl-gmbh.net!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7j6nl7$493s$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> <18350801ds86.sysam@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 928440807 000 192.168.254.73 (3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18051 thanks everyone! btw, i have read at least 5 books from the library, but it doesnt hurt to ask for more updated advice, i figure. From geoffkb@coldmail.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: geoffkb@coldmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:38:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net> References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928471080 15930 12.64.3.90 (4 Jun 1999 04:38:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:38:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18052 You could just take the old queen from the swarm if you can find her. There are ways to do this, like getting the swarm to crawl through a queen excluder. When you have removed the queen, take the frames from the hive one by one, shake ordinary flour all over the bees. Then with an emplty super on top of the hive, shake flour all over the swarm and empty them into the super. This is much quicker than newspaper amd seems to work just as well. By the time the bees have removed all the flour from themselves they have forgotten their differences. Geoff On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:27:17 -0400, "Gabe" wrote: >Hello all, > >A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was >left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like >to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the >queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back >the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am >planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them >apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to >learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be >MOST apreciated! > >Thanks >Gabe > > From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Working with bees in Fresno Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:21:03 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7j7lj7$5cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.80 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928471463 5525 12.72.205.80 (4 Jun 1999 04:44:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:44:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18053 Check with Dadant & Sons wrote in message news:3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net... > I'm looking for some work with bees in the Fresno area. Has anyone got > any ideas or suggestions? From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 11:00:40 GMT References: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18054 I know that the catenary hive is mentioned in book called Home Honey Production. I didn't know if there was another book on subject. It puzzle me why a top bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because of the shape of comb. From ttgme@megalink.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3757C5A2.35479234@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:25:07 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.146 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 928499639 208.148.250.146 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:33:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:33:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18055 Gabe wrote: > Hello all, > > A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was > left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like > to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the > queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back > the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am > planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them > apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to > learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be > MOST apreciated! > > Thanks > Gabe Gabe, I learned that your bees have swarmed for 1 of 3 reasons. 1. SUPERCEDURE: natures way of keeping new young queens laying eggs to keep colonies strong. 2. VENTILATION: the hive has to be able to properly keep the right temperature and air movement in order to dehydrate nectar into honey. There is a lot of moisture that has to be removed from the hive in the process of making honey. 3. ROOM: swarming frequently occurs when your current hive doesn't have enough space or empty foundation/comb to work on. So, before trying to put the old swarm back into the same hive, I would suggest that you take a few minutes and try to find the reason why the hive swarmed in the first place. Fix the problem before trying to rehive. A few years ago, I rehived a swarm 3 times trying to get them to stay in the box. Without fixing the problem, I didn't have very good luck. Here in Maine, June is also a big swarming season. If your hive consists of a single brrod chamber, add another one on top. If your hive already has 2 brood chambers, throw on a honey super. As far as combining though, I would tend to install the swarm into a new box of undrawn foundation so that you get the benefit of 2 colonies. The queen cups laid in the original hive will hatch, hopefully mate successfully, and build the strength of the first hive back up. If you decide to combine the 2 colonies, I would suggest that you use the sheet of paper that you mentioned, but, using your hive tool, cut a couple of slits in the paper. This will allow the bees to get an edge to chew to open up the entire hive area. The paper is useful to allow both colonies some time to get "reacquainted" and accept each other with less fighting. Bear in mind, that if any of the existing queen cups hatch, there will be a fight between the new queen and the existing queen. Since the new queen is younger and not "puffy" from laying eggs, she will have a better chance of winning and you may end up losing the existing queen. That's why I suggested starting a second hive. Good Luck, Paul Bilodeau From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:28:44 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7j8gu8$8od$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.162 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928499464 8973 12.68.7.162 (4 Jun 1999 12:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 12:31:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18056 The Old queen is with the swarm and the new in the hive? I do have a queen excluder to put them through, if this is the case then I can get the old queen by putting the swarm on top and haveing the whole swarm going down to the hive. Please advise, I want to get this right and not disrupt them too much. geoffkb@coldmail.com wrote in message <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >You could just take the old queen from the swarm if you can find her. >There are ways to do this, like getting the swarm to crawl through a >queen excluder. > >When you have removed the queen, take the frames from the hive one by >one, shake ordinary flour all over the bees. Then with an emplty super >on top of the hive, shake flour all over the swarm and empty them into >the super. > >This is much quicker than newspaper amd seems to work just as well. By >the time the bees have removed all the flour from themselves they have >forgotten their differences. > >Geoff > > > >On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:27:17 -0400, "Gabe" >wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was >>left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like >>to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the >>queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back >>the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am >>planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them >>apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to >>learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be >>MOST apreciated! >> >>Thanks >>Gabe >> >> > From cross@pcpostal.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374FD6D6.AF5EB460@pcpostal.com> From: Bee Wrangler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 X-Trace: /wq5/b/3Fg0rdBGSlCeKarACIGghYObLBUh5oHXGQJkwDs+BUpzQ6/ywhBRsKdbLbWZ/8+oo6ZzD!oLNfMdpP/YHQ+L44k2dWS8YWc5MRKoWgWsM45Ylw2T2+WLbYU00A X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:06:44 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:06:44 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18057 I hate to say it but I'm not sure if the queen's wings were clipped, I didn't know to check. I have a bee book but it does not cover a lot of things and I'm going to have to get a better one. I do not have an extra hive or swarm trap and since this is Memorial day weekend I'm afraid I'm in big trouble. I guess there is a lesson here somewhere. I'll be better prepared next time. From adamf@golux.radix.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More on Virgin Queens Date: 4 Jun 1999 07:56:40 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <7j80ro$fad$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18058 I replied to Peter Edwards in message <7ig50e$d5j$1@golux.radix.net>... >Really? I'd like a citation on this aspect of virgin >queen mating behavior if you've got one. Peter responded: >Adam >Personal observation! >Nucs with no brood and a virgin often swarm when >the queen flies to mate. If , you can see the >'mating sign' as the queen enters the hive. Cool. But "often" really doesn't mean anything biologically. How many observations have you made? Over how many years? What other variables come into play that might perhaps influence this behavior? My point: to make a generalization about bee behavior, one should have documented data that can be backed up as statistically significant. A replicated experiment, tested with the appropriate statistic really makes the behavioral statement more factual. Not that I'm stating your observations aren't factual, but perhaps there is other variation happening in the situations that might be influencing what you observe. Most behavioral tests are replicated, utilizing an experimental design to minimize the variance, assuring that what is being observed is really an *effect* from the hypothesized aspect, and not of something else. >I suspect that this is, again, natural selection at >work; if there is no brood then the colony has no >chance of survival without the queen and therefore >follows her when she flies. It is this type of swarm >that often absconds - probably because it has no brood >(i.e. investment) to which it feels a need to return. Okay, but then how do you explain laying workers? How does "natural selection" account for them? Or colonies that have no brood, and do *not* follow the virgin on her mating flight? I've observed these, and not seen a queenless, brood-less nuc swarm. >In the case of a full sized colony that swarms, a >similar behavior is seen if one virgin survives and >is then delayed from taking her mating flight, perhaps >by bad weather, until all the brood has hatched; the >result is a massive swarm - which may not return to the >now empty hive, giving the appearance of absconding. But wouldn't it be more parsimonious for the colony to remain where it was, and not have to create more comb, expend scouting energy, carry honey stores, and expose itself to non-hive competition from predators, stress, etc, than to seek a new nest site only because there is "no chance of survival without the queen"? Maybe something happens pheromonally to the colony when there is no more young brood (brood pheromone: email me for citations) and the virgin is producing all her pheromones, plus maybe others we don't know about; maybe to restore the proper pheromonal balance in the colony that signifies colony order, new comb must be constructed? Comb plays an integral role in colony organization pheromonally (email me for citations). Testing your hypothesis would be interesting. Can you or anyone else think up some ways to design experiments to show if indeed, when colonies are brood-less, with a virgin, they will abscond with the queen, until she is mated. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? But ... Why ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 12:07:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604080751.17309.00000143@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18059 Ken wrote " I can't resist asking the obvious question . Why NOT honeybees ? Sheeeeesh ! " I saw on video where large greenhouse operators use bumble bees to pollinate crops in greenhouse. Comment in video was that bumble bees do not try to escape the greenhouse. There is a significant labour cost saving in using bumble bees. Honeybees escape. Maybe that is why man is trying to abduct bumble bees . From kejones@my-deja.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: KJ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need advice on captured swarm Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:52:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.65.144.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 04:52:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.65.144.87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18060 Last year I started a colony from a captured swarm. I thought I'd see what the native queen was like, so I didn't requeen. A week ago, (just before I left on a one week trip), I caught the hive in the act of swarming. I recaptured the swarm, and set it up in a new hive body with drawn comb. I'd like to get some honey this year, and go into winter with a strong hive, so I'm thinking it would be best to recombine the swarm with the original colony. 1) Is this a wise move? 2) Should I kill the virgin, or the original queen (which I assume is the one in the swarm)? One final question: At the time the hive swarmed, there was an unoccuppied hive body, with drawn comb, sitting right next to the hive which swarmed. (This was from a hive which did not make it through the winter.) Was it neccessary for me to capture the swarm, or is it reasonable to assume that the swarm would have settled in this body anyway? Thanks for any advice, Kelly Hillsboro, OR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 02:52:26 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18061 If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less temperature fluctuation within hive. In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a web site "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From cde049@airmail.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:38:59 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3D11E0D89141F0FB.064748CF97083FF2.C9E6331D9A7E5341@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7irka8$jnd@library3.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun May 30 10:08:56 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`&,.1k-WVNf(J` (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18062 Someone, French or Belgian, Has a picture on their websight showing a hive bottom made of metal tubes to try to combat varoa. Does anyone have the URL or how the experiment is going? From carmar007@yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar007@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Box Honey Frames Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:59:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 15:59:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18063 Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in the super. Are these still available? If so, where? Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? Thank you, Carol & Evelyn Ozark Mtns. - MO Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 19:22:59 GMT References: <7j92a8$iou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18064 paulk oakley wrote >Interesting. I could have sworn that you quite recently expressed your >disdain for the Langstroth. If you want to split hairs do mean man or his hives? To be clear I express no disdain for the man or his hives. He is legendary. My choice of hive is complex based on a number of factors including the cost of langstroth hive and what I percieve to be difficulty to construct (which would reduce cost if you self construct). Also from what I read there are considerable after costs too with the choice of langstroth hive. Also from what I read, I like the simple operation top bar hive. All my reasons are about my personal circumstances. I could go on and on but I'm busy with the design phase of my top bar hives. I've acquired some new (cheap) material today for my hives. From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <9LV53.47126$75.35974@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:25:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928524357 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:25:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:25:57 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18065 Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net... > Timothy Dobbs wrote: > > > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > > harvest honey? > > Tim Dobbs > > tdobbs@aug.edu > Try the tip up/abandon method. During honey flow, in the early evening take the supers of the hive and tip them on their side. Insuring there is no brood ( bees will not abandon brood) In the early morning go back before they are flying and the boxes will be almost if not empty. Blow the stragglers out and remove. This must be done during honeyflow or they will start robbing. Should that happen, take the lids off all the hives in the yard, and all the bees will panic run home to defend their big front door, some jerk left open. The only time I have found bees still in the box in great numbers, is when either brood or the queen was present. If that is the case simply reunite with origional hive I might have left out some details, if you need more, I will e-mail you this method. hugh From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 5 07:07:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:55:00 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3751EBF3.501CF98D@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928112052 12449 203.63.79.234 (31 May 1999 00:54:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 00:54:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18066 JMitc1014 wrote: > Is it better not to hive swarms at night? > I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to > hive a swarm. Any advice? The important point is to give them time to settle in the new box before "bed time". The scouts need time to return and learn the swarm has settled in the box. I suggest you allow at least 1 hour (more would be better). After dark when the bees are all in and "gone to bed" you can remove the box to some convenient location. If you box the bees early in the day, you can leave the site and return after dark to remove them. This 2nd trip is often very inconvenient for the beekeeper. One option is to box the bees late in the afternoon (just before sunset). You remain there until the bees have settled and then move them (educate the people who called you while you wait) From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:42:54 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.142 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928120481 2228 12.72.205.142 (31 May 1999 03:14:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 03:14:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18067 Peter, are you aware that someone has switched bodies with you? Someone else speaking the virtues of TBH's. And now you, a convert to the Langstroth. My days of "medicine" smoking are long past but thanks for the invite. Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.11ba6b04e5721cae9896b3@news.pe.net... > A well run Langstroth operation can produce a fine work of nature, dude. > My Aunt Crewe in Sheridan told me so, and my cousin in Story proves it is > true. > Bee power is immense and we can be proud of our countryman, Mr. > Langstroth, of Illinois, I believe it is, for designing moveable frames > to be able to harness this tremendous puissance des fleurs. > (smokin' a little medicine tonight over here tonight - join me George?) > From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990604145033.16426.00000364@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:57:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928522624 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:57:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:57:04 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18068 > Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be cardboard since it > is easy to work with. I read that that cardboard covered with stucco or other > material can last up to 30 yrs outdoors. . > The outside of the hive might last 20-30 years, but the wear and tear of removing bars, after they have been propolized will disintegrate the card board the ledge is attached to. On the good side it migtht last a year or two until you design a more permanent structure hugh From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5BV53.47121$75.36017@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:15:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928523713 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:15:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:15:13 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18069 Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com... > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive Winter here goes from 40 below to 5 above. Insulating slowings down the temp change so the bees can react and move stores, change cluster size. Moisture is also a killer, so you MUST have proper ventalation or they will die. Its like the saying we have up here. " so what if its 40 below, its a dry cold " > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". I am very interested in these styrofoam boxes, my only concern ( maybe misplaced) is regarding styrofoams abilitie to transfer moisture through the walls, as opposed to condensation. That being said this getleman in sweden live in much the same climate, is a good beekeeper seems to have success with them http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. Again the only bad thing might be that they keep the bees too isolated from outside the hive weather condition. Too much insulation seems to be as bad as too little. When I firtst started we killed hives by overinsulating. Thinking if some is good more is better. hugh From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 20:28:41 GMT References: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604162841.23077.00000332@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18070 hugh writes: >The outside of the hive might last 20-30 years, but the wear and tear of >removing bars, after they have been propolized will disintegrate the card >board the ledge is attached to. On the good side it migtht last a year or >two until you design a more permanent structure For further clarification cardbord is very hard pressed like what you would see in carpet rolls. It is almost like wood. I prefer to use it because it is almost in shape of top bar hive I am building. I will try to reinforce it where you indicate that there will be prying on bars at ledge area.. Thanks From tomapis@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 23:22:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j7lj8$5cl$2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990604192225.21529.00000755@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18071 Well dont give up yet...I still feel that you can get good queens that suit your area and can be productive..just as long as you have plenty of drones and graft at the right time...and of course feed them and keep the nuc well filled with emerging brood..good luck next time From tomapis@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering spring packaged bees?? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 23:28:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604081042.24126.00000264@ng-cs1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990604192805.21529.00000756@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18072 You need to rotate your frames bringing the side ones into the center..just dont split brood . Push it aside and and rotate in form the side...once you have at least nine brood frames filled you and have a good flow coming in you can try to do comb honey but you have to have a real crowded colony so you may need to spit one of your two stories and shake most of the bees into one of these and place you round comb on this...it may make them try to swarm so be careful but you have to have lots of bees and a good flow to get rounds and to get the bees into the rounds..For extraction supers its not so bad..just super your foundation supers without and excluder on your second story...same for cut comb supers..Your bees will work Buckwheat really well but it is not good for comb honey ...better for extraction...alfalfa however is great comb honey..What strain of bees do you have? Good luck Tom From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:29:15 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 928539150 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:32:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:32:30 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18073 Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 5 07:07:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 22:37:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <9LV53.47126$75.35974@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <19990604183723.00845.00000677@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18074 Just pulled 38 medium frames from 5 hives -all nicely capped snow white. Honey flow is on pretty well here in CT. I use a brush and savor every minute I spend in the beeyard. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 21:20:48 GMT References: <3752E028.7004@povn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531172048.10853.00005615@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18075 Well Howdy Skip In article <3752E028.7004@povn.com>, "J. F Hensler" writes: >And, as >pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat >testy even on a good day. :-) I remember reading that isn't that a comment made in Sue Hubbell book. Why is that so? One of the reasons I wanted to get into beekeeping was I thought that one would have to be calm and deliberate in action so as not to anger the bees. Almost like a bio feedback mechanism to ensure you don't loose your cool otherwise you get stung more. But beekeeping, from what I read, also involves some lifting and shifting of supers on the warmer better days. I won't say anything here about top bar hives. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 00:39:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604203930.23077.00000410@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18076 Rick writes >Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or >maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? I would like to plant plants that might help area if I had top bar bee hives (if needed based on my previous list of plants in area). I have no equipment to plow field. I don't desire a cash crop. There is a fair amount of rainfall and the whole area gets morning dew. No frost usually between May 24 to October 1. Some top soil with sand base. Perrenial herbs that are easy to grow may do well, like Borage. Thanks From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 5 07:07:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:26:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928190708 4985 62.136.19.16 (31 May 1999 22:45:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:45:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18077 I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; if the effect lasted for a long time then colonies would be constantly on the attack and this would not be good for the colonies (or anyone else for that matter!). Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net>... >Last week I was stung on my left earlobe and scraped out the stinger. >Each time I re-approached the hive, a few angry bees zeroed in on my >left ear. I've read where a sting releases an alarm chemical which >enables other bees to locate an enemy, and my question is how long this >chemical scent persists From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 01:39:28 GMT References: <19990604203930.23077.00000410@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604213928.06548.00000419@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18078 >Rick writes > >>Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or >>maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? > Sorry, I forgot to state location is near Algonquin Park, Ontario Canada Thanks for your interest From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:44:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990531172048.10853.00005615@ngol04.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18079 The comment, as quoted by Hubbell, came from none other than C.P Dadant, and implied that talented beekeepers care so deeply about attention to detail, that in their fussiness they can get a little cranky. What is it with this group -- seems like many of us here sit down in front of our computers smoking grass (as implied in one posting), drinking beer (as stated in this thread), or tossing back a gin and tonic (as in my case right now). Is beekeeping like being a cop -- so intense that we all have to make an extra effort to relax after the work is done or what? From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 5 07:07:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!bignews.mediaways.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <19990528161107.25969.00000799@ngol02.aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:34:53 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18080 > Top bar hive is less labour intensive than Langstroth therefore analogy > to > horse and tractor should be reversed. Yields are less but of higher > quality and > requiring less effort to produce. > Top bar hives are not used here in Ireland or in the UK. Is this related to the more temperate climate here ?. We have to build colonies up to conserve heat. Michael ( from Dublin ) From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saging comb in brood box Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 01:48:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <68B337B251D67A07.A83A48BCA08390CE.4D3C661EAEA571D0@lp.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990604214850.08003.00001022@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18081 From: "dewitt" >Typically here in Texas it has been in the 90's (both humidity and F. temp) >all this week I went out this evening (the only time I have to work the >bees) and the comb in my Deeps is all sagging and drooping to the bottom> I >will stager the mediums above them (Three on one hive Two on the other) to >improve ventilation but short of A/C is there anything else I should do? Hmmmmm..... no 100's yet? Give 'em shade...at least in the afternoon. I know that's easier done in South Carolina than in Texas. But I am real fussy about making sure they have at least partial shade, and I've not had a meltdown, even in 104 degree weather. I have had 'em melt down on the truck though. You might have to put up some kind of pole structure with some shadecloth. Also water is important. They can cool the hive quite a bit, if they have plentiful water real close by. Again, easier here than there... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.atl.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:05:06 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a1.86 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1999 03:59:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18082 Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to comment on them? From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:10:41 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7j5gtv$8kq$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <928179963@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.25.125 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18083 Hi Bill I should like to take up your point:- "The Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes....... conclusion was that the intake level of gene products from pollen in honey was likely to be negligible". 3 other research projects supported this conclusion. While the main extra gene is derived from Bt, a substance that is used quite a lot within hives to kill wax moth without effect on the bees, there are some indications that this bacillus can mutate and has produced contra indications in French studies. Do you have sight of the substance of the studies and 3 research projects on which the Advisory Committee based their conclusions? Regards Keith Hooker ex Canterbury BKA From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jun 5 07:07:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:06:33 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <18350801DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18084 In article <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: > >>okay, tomorrow i will open up my hive for the second time and check for >>how the queen is laying. i was too > >> what else should i check for? > >look for eggs, check for disease >look for wax moth damage( sign of a weak hive or other problems ) check bottom >board for beetles, open a few drone cells checkin for varroa, look for queen >cells > Look for a good beginner beekeeping book! > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1999 13:52:08 GMT References: <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990601095208.13702.00004470@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18085 In article <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: >Do I have to do anything to get a crop of tomatoes. > Yes, you can use an artificial hormone (tomato set) available at gardening supplies, or you can shake the vines once a day. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd behavior for a queen...I think Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:58:44 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7jab23$8j4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.14 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928558979 8804 12.72.50.14 (5 Jun 1999 05:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1999 05:02:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18086 Put 1 deep and 1 med frame in observation hive yesterday to take to the kids school. Had the marked queen along with a good sampling of eggs, larva and sealed brood. By this afternoon they had built a queen cup on the bottom bar between the frames. This evening, her highness is diligently working on tearing down the cup with her mandibles. She worked on it a good 15 minutes until it was completely gone. I don't recall ever reading about this kind of behavior. I know the cell was not there when I put them in the observation. Anyone have an explaination? From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 5 07:07:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm in tree Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:15:21 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <375485A8.D018F501@ozemail.com.au> References: <928253688.517046@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928282470 8333 203.63.79.234 (2 Jun 1999 00:14:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 00:14:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18087 The simple answer is "cut the tree down". However, I imagine she would object to that Besides cutting down a tree like that is not so easy (and sacrilege). In theory, you can 1) put a one way trap over the entrance so the bees can go out but can't go back into the nest (this is not easy) 2) put a hive with foundation and one frame of brood next to the entrance (it must be VERY close to the entrance). When the bees find that they cannot go back into their own nest and there is a frame of brood that needs care close by, they will go into your hive and care for the brood. After a few weeks (when all the brood in the tree have grown) you will have all the worker bees in the new hive. At this point, you can remove the hive to another location and remove the trap over the entrance. The old nest might still have some honey in it. When bees from other colonies close by discover this, the will visit the old nest to remove the honey. The lady will tell you "they're still there" or "they came back". You must convince her (and yourself) that they are robbing the honey (taking it back to their own colony) This also takes several weeks. The whole process is an AWFUL lot of hard yacka on your part. If your lucky, you might feel a warm inner glow for a job well done but that is ALL you really get out of it. I normally tell people that it simply is not worth the effort. The bees are not a threat and they might as well leave them there. If you can, show her my web site I have designed this site mainly for non beekeepers like the lady you are helping. It answers a lot of the questions she is asking you. (you may need to print it out for her). I do not have any picture to put on it yet, Sorry about that but the sort of pictures I want are not so easy to collect. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote: > Just got a call from a lady that has a swarm of bees that showed up and made > their home in an old oak tree in her yard. She wants them taken away. How > do I get them out of the tree?? > Appreciate any help. From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Better than Hardware cloth? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 04:33:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 928571404 209.69.69.100 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:30:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:30:04 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18088 I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! (Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint projects. It is available in several gauges, and many colors) It is easier to cut and shape. It is easier to store- Pops back out flat when removed. Doesn't rust. Doesnt catch on and rip veils when tossed in the back of the car. *However* It is not as strong as hardware cloth May be slightly more expensive (Plastic canvas is about $1 per large sheet at the craft store, while hardware cloth is $2.25 per foot at the Hardware. I think the HC is slightly cheaper.) You cannot join PC panels by meshing and bending over the "wires" I'm trying to think of other areas where I could use PC as a convenient, easily shaped substitute for hardware cloth. Any Ideas? Ellen From spmr@msn.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> Subject: Re: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:28 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa03 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34702 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18089 sci.agriculture.fruit:2786 sci.bio.botany:9916 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8932 Bernd Kuemmel wrote in message <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek>... >Dear Reader >1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every >2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would >produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many >flowering days can I count on)? > >2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? Don't forget that certain Andrena species (Apidae; Andreninae) (A.clarkella, A.praecox, A.apicata, A.ruficrus and probably others in continental Europe) depend on Salix pollen as do (indirectly) their various Nomada cleptoparasites. Bombus spp. (especially B.terrestris) is also a common visitor to male Salix. Good luck with the project Stuart Roberts From hutchiso@ccp.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!WCG!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clustering at entrance Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <928584327.525243@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup65-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:02:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928584392 207.193.195.8 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:06:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:06:32 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18090 I have a very strong hive of buckfast bees that I have given several honey supers already but they are clustering on the hive entrance as if they don't have enough room to get into the hive. There is a nectar flow going on and they are bringing in nectar and pollen by the bunch. Should I be concerned by the bunch at the entrance? Lowell Hutchison St. Joseph MO. From harrisonrw@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Better than Hardware cloth? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 12:55:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990605085519.16038.00000314@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18091 > I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U >and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! >(Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid >of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint >projects. > I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U >and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! >(Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid >of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint >projects. This stuff is also great for feeding sugar syrup. Take a cheep dishpan and cut the plastic to the shape of the dishpan, fill with syrup. Float some small twigs on the syrup then lay the plastic on top (the plastic will float but the weigh of the bees on it will make it sink, hence the use of the twigs). Place the dishpan on top of the hive with a empty super around it and presto you have a large volume in hive feeder. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:54:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7j1381$9lv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990528161107.25969.00000799@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 01 16:54:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18092 agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") wrote: > Top bar hives are not used here in Ireland or in the UK. Is this related > to the more temperate climate here ? No. A TBH's structure has to do with technological choices. A TBH has fewer parts to assemble, consisting only of the box and a series of bars the width of comb plus bee space which fit flush against each other(often with a ridge down the center of each to encourage the bees not to draw comb in ways the beekeeper can't manage) and some kind of cover to keep the rain out. While some TBH users rig a supering system, the TBH is essentially designed as a one-box system. In cold climates, some TBH users insert a solid divider in the TBH to reduce the area the bees must maintain their cluster's warmth in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lazov@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Alexander Lazovsky Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patent of the new beehive construction Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:40:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7j12dn$9cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.116.191.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 01 16:40:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.116.191.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18093 Dear Sirs! For last several years I work on improvement of beehives constructions. In the June 1998 I've obtained the Israel patent of the new construction of beehive with these parameters. The main difference of my new beehive is using the alternative non - wood materials for making it possible to produce the beehive that is lighter, cheaper and the beehive provides stable microclimate inside for any weather condition and stands for simple, quick and safe moving from place to place. My new technology of producing the new beehive reduces time for the whole process down to the 5 minutes and its cost down for 2-2.5 times low comparing for regular wooden beehive. The test of the smaples was pretty good. In Israel there is no need for large number of beehives per year, that's why I looking for any serious partner for patenting and inculcating my new beehive in your country. If you have interest for such kind of behaves I'd like to offer to cooperate with me in order to patent and to inculcate those beehives in your region. Don't hesitate to ask me for more details. I'll be more then pleased receiving an answer from you. Sincerely, Efim Lazovsky. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:19:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <7j20rf$6b0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 01:19:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18094 Well! These learned disquisitions on the exact chemicals involved in the alarm response and stinging are very interesting. I usually work my bees dressed in Levis and a thick long-sleeved shirt, though, and I usually don't use smoke. I've noticed something that seems to be at odds with the quoted scent dispersal times, however. Over the course of several visits, on different days separated perhaps by a couple of weeks or more, that the bees seem to get progressively meaner. I always assumed that it was some sort of cumulative effect going on, since I'll often pick up a few stingers in the fabric of the shirt when I'm out there. But if the chemicals truly fall off to nothing in a matter of minutes, or at worst, hours, then that shouldn't happen. Puzzling. Is there yet another chemical involved, and has anyone else made a similar observation? As far as the original topic, reflected in the title of this thread, I use goatskin gloves with canvas uppers. I've never been stung through them, and don't find them much of an impediment either. But I work pretty slowly anyway -- more relaxing that way, and the bees seem to like it better. If I had a commercial operation I might do it differently. With respect to masking the scent of the poison sac to as to make the site less of a target for future attacks, I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned (as far as I saw, anyway) that smoke works very well for that purpose. But maybe that's too obvious, eh? In article <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca>, Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: > > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is > > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees > > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about > > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; > snip > > IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm > pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the abdomen > tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung > the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. > If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is not > very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie > responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, or > glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active > for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or > use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just a > matter of time to catch another one. > > Cheers > > Ulli > -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:46:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7j5nl3$ls9$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18095 liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) wrote: >Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? If you can't read the label then what makes you think you could read the directions here? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From npatt@snet.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: 3 Jun 1999 11:07:42 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh1-port39.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18096 Here's the deal It's been hot and humid here in Connecticut. There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow supers this week. While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could easily be many more around. Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? Any help would be wonderful Norm npatt@snet.net From beetools@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 15:47:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18097 I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table saws, two each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm Abrhams, etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for what I can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment in your wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:35:58 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 63 Message-ID: <7j5qs5$bmc$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.7 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 928411333 11980 208.247.251.7 (3 Jun 1999 12:02:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 12:02:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18098 FWIW, I remove my supers one at a time to about 20 feet from the hives, so they are less defensive, and then just remove a frame at a time to another super box with cover, blowing off the bees as I do it. 'Cept I just blow with my mouth after shaking the frame! For just a few hives, it works fine for me. Last year, I rigged up an old squirrel cage blower to try power blowing them, but it wasn't powerful enough to budge them. It sure did befuddle them some though with the "wind" and I didn't get any stings doing it. I've had trouble keeping the porter bee escapes adjusted so they work properly as "check valves." I've seen a cute inner cover with three concentric triangles of thin wood strips glued around the center hole, with the corners of the triangles open a bee space or so, and the triangles then covered with a screen. With it installed under the supers with the screened triangles on the bottom side, the bees could come down through the hole and out the corners, but when they went in the corners, they invariably took a "side street" over to another corner of the triangle and back out that side! Cute! A couple of guys in our club started making them last year and really like them. Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net... Timothy Dobbs wrote: > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > harvest honey? > Tim Dobbs > tdobbs@aug.edu greetings, guess it depends on your definition of 'easiest.' others have already mentioned blowers, which certainly are quick. but, for my couple of hives i use inner covers, fitted with a couple of one-way porter escapes and inserted between the super and the rest of the hive. leave on overnight. the bees migrate down to the colony at night and can't get back into the super(s). works really well, and i usually only have a handful of bees to brush off the frames the next day. being an overnight process it is not the quickest, but it is very easy, having no power requirements or equipment to transport [except for the modified inner covers]. as an aside, i left two empty supers out on the lawn for 'just a couple of minutes' a couple of weeks ago. big mistake. in minutes they had bees all in and around 'em. i stacked them and put an escape board on top upside down. i watched as the bees exited via the porter escapes, but could not get back inside. they were VERY persistent, but failed to a one. in a half hour the supers were empty of bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 17:37:50 GMT References: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605133750.25592.00000392@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18099 Ron wrote: >I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table saws, two >each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm Abrhams, >etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for what I >can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment in your >wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. > I don't doubt what you say. Me not being an experienced woodworker would have probably tried to buy inferior grade pine since hive is made from short pieces. Although that might be a mistake trying to run them through table saw. I have a catalogue but it is hard to determine the price of 2 complete hives they seem to price beginners kits but I don't think that is even one complete hive. Maybe I was fooled into thinking there is a cost saving by plans on web site. Anyways I'm going with top bar hives from what I read they cost zip or more if you want to buy material.. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clustering at entrance Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 22:10:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <928584327.525243@super.ccp.com> Message-ID: <19990605181047.15306.00001019@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18100 Tip the brood boxes up and see if you have queen cells with larvae in them. Improve ventillation. Add additional drawn comb. (as if there is comb to spare for most of us) Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Harvest Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 22:11:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990605181152.15306.00001020@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18101 Another 52 frames of capped spring honey removed here in Southeast CT USA Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Message-ID: <928619453@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:12:18 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d38421 REPLY: 240:44/0 4e655551 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620965 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18102 Clipping --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Message-ID: <928619451@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:52:48 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d33b1b REPLY: 240:44/0 8002efc8 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620963 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18103 Hi Keith. Good to know your still with us, so many these days seem not to be. Have you heard about Bert Hart? Area you coming on Bee Tour 99? If so I couold bring the mass of papers I have >from the Government with me. They are many pages to set out here. There are three aspects which concern me 1. the effect on bees. 2. the effect on humans of possible build up. 3. What do you tell purchasers who ask "Has any of this honey been collected from G M Crops, because if so I don't want it"! William --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From gavin@errol100.*cut-this*.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Gavin Ramsay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:26:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.nefazodone.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 928617928 25293 62.136.81.201 (5 Jun 1999 21:25:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1999 21:25:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18104 Dear All Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell in a super above the excluder and brood box? The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips (hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? Gavin. From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Question Message-ID: <928619452@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:12:10 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d383a4 REPLY: 240:244/128 662d9c00 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620963 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18105 Hi... When I posed the question of 31st May, I had mislaid the Daily Telegraph extract. The was in the paper on the 16th April and reads:- STING IN TAIL OF LIFE IN THE HIVE The enduring image of honeybees living for their queen and thriving amid order has been destroyed. In fact, they can be scheming, factional creatures who hate rearing queen's eggs, says Ben Oldroyd, a science lecturer at Aydney University. He discovered a genetic mutation causes one in 2.5 million female worker bees to rebel and lay fake queen bee eggs. Within months all the workers begin laying eggs, the queen is toppled,workers strike, and the colony crumbles. Dr Oldroyd, who is now breeding mutant colonies, said: Itr's really weird to watch. WHY BOTHER? Suppose the mutant workers foraging, before going on strike, enter another hive - could be as bad as varroa! William" --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Message-ID: <928619450@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:43:06 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d316a0 REPLY: 240:44/0 f030fafe PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620961 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18106 Clipping the Queens certainly ensures the return of the Swarm to the Hive BUT watch out for the large swarm which will accompany the virgin when she leaves to permit another emerging virgin to take over the hive Clipping a Queenalone is not the sole answer. William . --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:38:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18107 "Gavin Ramsay" wrote: >Dear All >Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell >in a super above the excluder and brood box? >The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with >the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. >The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was >furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips >(hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn >down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, >and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to >enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one >deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some >pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the >central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell >containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the >supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box >below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. >A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can >take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen >slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, >then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during >the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? >Gavin. I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From tim_jk@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:28:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7j40jo$ri0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 19:28:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18108 Looking for suggestions on adding my second brood box. I have 5 full frames of brood now. Thought I remember reading about adding after 8 to 9 frames of brood, but not sure. Any help appreciated. Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Message-ID: <3759cbeb.10147052@news.usit.net> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:29:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.150.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 928632592 216.80.150.76 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:29:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:29:52 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18109 I also use the leather glove with the canvas sleeves and was stung one time through the seam where the thumb is sewn to the hand of the glove. Got me right in the tender part of the skin between thumb and pointer. These gloves aren't real flexible and after propolis builds up on the fingers of the glove they become quite stiff and sticky. Wis I had the nerve to go without them but I don't, even though the few stings I get don't affect be badly. Just intense pain for a few seconds and then a dull pain for a few minutes. A previous post described getting stung on ankles. Went down to my yard one afternoon and didn't put on my boots. Still had on thin black socks and dress shoes. They really love to sting ankles with thin black socks. Better to wear white. Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 02:05:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18110 I went out to check, my bait hive today and there is a nasty nest of yellow jackets moving in. I figure that if I want to get rid of them, I should open the trap, pull out the frames of undrawn foundation, and just leave it all lying out in the open sun. My questions are: Has anybody out there ever gone up against yellow jackets in a bee suit, and how did it hold up? Does smoke affect yellow jackets? Will my plan destroy the nest, and can you suggest a better way that doesn't involve chemicals that may leave a lingering smell that will make it unattractive to a swarm of bees? If I get rid of the yellow jackets, will they return if I put the bait hive back in the same place? Now that this bait hive has had a yellow jacket nest in it, will other yellow jackets always find it an attractive nest site, much the way bees like places that have previously held bee nests? Thanks in advance, JM From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice beekeeper Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 11:39:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7jcr17$ek$1@ionews.ionet.net> Message-ID: <19990606073928.09785.00000043@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18111 From: "Stacey or Steven Greb" >I started a hive with package bees this spring. I have (or maybe had) a new >queen and everything. All has gone well until recently when the hive >started to cluster outside the brood chamber. I suspected that I needed to >add a second brood chamber for additional room, but also thought the hive >needed more ventilation. At first I prompt up the hive to give the colony >more ventilation, then began preparing a second chamber with racks and >starter, etc. > > I took the opportunity to inspect the hive. The first thing I notice >was that the hive had created at least a dozen queen cell. Therefore, I >suspected that the queen had died and they were trying to replace her or >that the hive was preparing to split and swarm (supersedure). Second, there >also seemed be a lot of drone cells. Finally, I never could find the queen >after two searches on separate days. > >What are the chances that my new, young queen has died and that I now need >to replace her?? They are preparing to swarm. Normally a young queen won't swarm, but they will if they get extremely crowded. You should have added your second box as soon as there were bees on all ten frames of the original. You are unlikely to find the queen right now, as she is slimmed down preparatory to swarming. Even if you could find her you have a very slim chance of getting them to accept a new queen. You need to use your second box now, to split them. Quick! It may already be too late, as I speak. Move the original hive a few feet. Set the new box in its place and put three frames of bees and brood in it, making sure you have a cell or two (undamaged -- don't even tip the frame over - handle very gently). The original hive will not swarm, as they will lose their field force to the nuc. And the nuc you make is not strong enough to swarm. If you don't want more hives, you can recombine them later. But it would be a real shame (and maybe make your neighbors curse you) if you lose the swarm. That is your livestock, that you have worked hard to build up. No cattleman can afford to have his calves run off and be lost in the woods. If you don't have equipment, improvise. You can put a piece of plywood or tar paper on a pallet, leaving open a crack at the front, for a bottom board. Any scrap of plywood will do for a cover. You have to move quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 14:09:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990606100934.04058.00001279@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18112 Seal the opening freeze the bait hive remove and kill torpid half frozen yellow jackets. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From altabios@bham.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!bham!not-for-mail From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bayvarol and swarms Date: 6 Jun 1999 13:54:24 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Message-ID: <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial9.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18113 Has anyone had any experience with Bayvarol and a possible reduction in the number of swarms? John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta Bioscience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK http://www.bham.ac.uk/Alta_Bioscience From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:18:37 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 928682207 209.69.69.109 (Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:16:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:16:47 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18114 Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! Ellen Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com... > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This > makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've > heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could > set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. > Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain > link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let > lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for > future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could > find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man > would let me set up a string of top bar hives. > > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and pine trees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 20:25:35 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18115 In a book entitled Honey for Health it describes a type of honey from Germany as follows: product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and much relished. Seems indirect and rather technical. In the woods in early spring I saw a vast numbers of bees buzzing around spruce trees at the tips of branches. I didn't check the pines. Does that mean that conifer forests are contributors to honey production in North America as well. From npatt@snet.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Date: 6 Jun 1999 20:49:02 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7jemru$440@news1.snet.net> References: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh1-port87.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18116 JM I collect yellowjackets for a Medical Lab and have had contact with hundreds of yellowjacket nests. > jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: > I went out to check, my bait hive today and there is a nasty nest of yellow > jackets moving in. I figure that if I want to get rid of them, I should open > the trap, pull out the frames of undrawn foundation, and just leave it all > lying out in the open sun. My questions are: > > Has anybody out there ever gone up against yellow jackets in a bee suit, and > how did it hold up? I use a standard bee suit and have not been stung through. Generally speaking yellowjackets are not that bad. I even wear shorts under the suit. Only once did I get nailed with a nasty baldfaced hornet. You should be all right in a bee suit. Their stingers are very much like bees but they can sting repeatedly. > Does smoke affect yellow jackets? I wouldn't bother with the smoke though I have never tried smoke on them > > Will my plan destroy the nest, and can you suggest a better way that doesn't > involve chemicals that may leave a lingering smell that will make it > unattractive to a swarm of bees? It may get rid of them. They may just build up paper around themselves. I'd use a shop vac or even a regular vacuum cleaner and get rid of the bag when you are done. Put the bag in the sun and the heat will kill them soon. I doubt bees will be bothered by any lingering yj smell but I don't know for sure. > > If I get rid of the yellow jackets, will they return if I put the bait hive > back in the same place? I doubt it but it is possible. > > Now that this bait hive has had a yellow jacket nest in it, will other yellow > jackets always find it an attractive nest site, much the way bees like places > that have previously held bee nests? Sometimes another queen yellowjacket will find it and make a new nest. If you check it often, I doubt they will have time to establish themselves. Yellowjacket nest start with a single queen. As she builds a nest and rears young then you will have more but that takes a while like a month or two. They are not like honey bees Where do you live? That would help a lot. Do you know what kind of yellowjackets they are? Describe the nest and I might be able to tell you. I wish I lived near, I'd get rid of those suckers for you. Norm npatt@snet.net > Thanks in advance, > JM > >>>> From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon Jun 7 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:17:28 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jes1e$8tf$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928707438 9135 129.173.88.206 (6 Jun 1999 22:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 1999 22:17:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18117 > > I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when > the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > > Greg the beekeep Were did they find this egg, if there was no uncapped brood in the hive at that time ?? Was it from a laying worker or stolen from the hive next door? ;) Confused Ulli From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: snelgove board Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:56:40 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.164.65 X-Trace: 928702848 1NNUCNF1GA441C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18118 Hello all Ive used snelgrove boards for the first time for years Can someone remind me of the procedure to unite top brood with new queen to bottom brood with old queen Can I just K.O. the old queen and remove the snelgrove? thanks Chris From geoffkb@coldmail.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: geoffkb@coldmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Working with bees in Fresno Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:22:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928470119 11373 12.64.3.90 (4 Jun 1999 04:21:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:21:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18119 I'm looking for some work with bees in the Fresno area. Has anyone got any ideas or suggestions? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:26:36 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7j7lj8$5cl$2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.80 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928471464 5525 12.72.205.80 (4 Jun 1999 04:44:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:44:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18120 Tried it in March using the Miller method. Three of the most pathetic queens ever produced by man. I did manage to get 1 of 3 mated. I'll try again but I found out that if you travel for your real job as much as I do you really have to plan carefully. Can't really do it if you are only at home on the weekends. Tomapis wrote in message news:19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com... > Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own > queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own > queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts > of the country. > > Tom..Email me replys if you want. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 04:20:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.128 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:18:47 GMT X-Trace: 928473527.411.36 KRFRRPH9I9880CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18121 Hi, Get some books ! If you can get a couple of queen excluders, you can have the best of BOTH worlds, by separating the two queens using a super, sandwiched between two queen excluders, and recombining your populations . Then again, maybe you ought to read postings from people who do more than read books . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 6:27PM, in message <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Gabe" wrote: Hello all, A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back the swarm do I separate them from the main hive and for how long? I am planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be MOST appreciated! Thanks Gabe From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed OOPS ! ALSO ! Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 04:23:38 GMT Organization: Company: Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.128 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:22:11 GMT X-Trace: 928473731.014.69 KRFRRPH9I9880CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18122 Hi, I didn't mention, that you're supposed to put newspaper between the two colonies, to make them chew through it, to get back together without a big fight . Though in your case, with the two groups originating with the same hive, it might not be necessary . GOOD LUCK . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 6:27PM, in message <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Gabe" wrote: Hello all, A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be MOST apreciated! Thanks Gabe From jimowen@swbell.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3757BC95.1F207498@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Organization: OWEN Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? References: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:46:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.58.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928496454 151.164.58.100 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:40:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:40:54 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18123 This is my first successful year at it. (tried last year, but didn't do well) I'm using a Jenter type(actually Mann Lake) box. First try this spring, in March, got screwed up by cold weather (and my constant "peeking" into the hive). Out of 30 larvae, only got 7 queens, and I only think 2 of them mated. My next attempt (in May) I transferred 40 larvae, got 37 sealed queen cells, 35 hatched, and have about 12 mated nucs now (I put 2 queens in each nuc... let them fight it out), and gave away 10 queens to local beekeepers. It worked so well, I think I'll do it again in early fall to see what they can do over the winter in Nucs. Later, Jim (McKinney, TX) Tomapis wrote: > > Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own > queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own > queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts > of the country. > > Tom..Email me replys if you want. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatment for brood Ask Who ? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:38:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7j8f2m$n03$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18124 stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) wrote: >Hi, > The day I need to go to a civil >servant for medicines, for me, or for my >animals, is the day I look for a stronger, >more aggressive militia . >Ken . I couldn't agree with you more. We should have the right to treat ourselves without the aid of a doctor if we so choose. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From cchln@NOSPAM.alinga.newcastle.edu.au Mon Jun 7 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!news.usyd.edu.au!seagoon.newcastle.edu.au!not-for-mail From: cchln@NOSPAM.alinga.newcastle.edu.au (Hope) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuclgoing in to winter Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:47:19 GMT Organization: The University of Newcastle Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3757ba99.396059@news.newcastle.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: c25ou1-asy14.newcastle.edu.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18125 Hi I have had my first nuc for severral monthes now and we are moving into the Aussie winter. When I first got the nucI had about 5 full frames of stores and they were quite strong. We had some wet weather which stopped them flying really for about 2 weeks. The next inspection I saw the stores frames in the top box were becoming depleted. 2 weeks later they were all gone. As winter was coming in I removed the top super completely, installed a pad and proceeded to feed. They ate and ate and have now returned to strength. However my dilemma is that the weather is improving and I appear to be havinng a honey flow in this early part of winnter. All peripheral frames of brood are stuffed with capped stores and the outer frames in the brood box, now the onnly box in the hive are full of nectar. There are 5 frames of brood in the bottom box.. Some people have advised that supering down would have helped strengthen them. However with a flow should I super up now? The coldest part of winter is yet to arrive. Or should I maybe put a 1/2 deoth super on. or should I just leave be for winter and keep an eye on the stores situation? Any thoughts opinions, reccomendations are greatly appreciated. Thanks Jonathan Narara Australia http://www.geocities.com/picketfence/7113/ remove NOSPAM to reply by email From seasholtzm@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering spring packaged bees?? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 12:10:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990604081042.24126.00000264@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18126 Hi All My question is this i started 4 packages in mid april added a second deep to all 4 in late may 3 are hive busters eating sugar syrup as fast as i can make it and are drawing out most of the frames in the center but not the outside frames?? I am in southeast PA and our flow is said to run till late june?? when should i add a super ?? i have ross rounds, cutcomb and extracting supers all ready but they are only foundation?? So when do i remove the feeders and add the supers?? Special note i farm my own ground so i will be letting the alfalfa full bloom late june and have buckwheet scheduled to bloom in july, Farmin for my bees and my cattle :~} Thanks all NewBee Garry From dalbin@sprint.ca Mon Jun 7 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-02.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Albin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990604080751.17309.00000143@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? This is why? Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:15:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.78.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-02.sprint.ca 928516397 149.99.78.226 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:13:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:13:17 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18127 We believe Bumblebees are better pollinators for some clover crops From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:27:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7j92a8$iou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 04 17:27:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18128 In article <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Don't get me wrong I would love to make my own langstroth hive and I admire > anybody who does. Interesting. I could have sworn that you quite recently expressed your disdain for the Langstroth. But maybe here you mean "...I would love to have the woodworking skills requisite to constructing a Langstroth and admire anybody who does have such skills." Is that it? Wording does make a difference to perceived meaning, Jajwuth. And particular care is required when you are communicating in the context of previous arguments in which most everyone knows your position. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 18:50:33 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604145033.16426.00000364@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18129 Do the top bars for the top bar hives sit on a ledge flush with top edge or do they sit on top of edge and over edge. I prefer to use an inside ledge but I think I read that there may be a problem with propolis attachment of top bar. I want to put them on a ledge since it is easier to make a cover for my hives. Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be cardboard since it is easy to work with. I read that that cardboard covered with stucco or other material can last up to 30 yrs outdoors. . Thanks all From h.tait@home.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:03:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928522981 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:03:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:03:01 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18130 Where on the planet are you. hugh Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com... > I have the following on property where I propose to put hives. The list is not > complete it is from recollection. I've made other comments as well > > > conifer trees -pine, spruce, balsam, cedar, etc > deciduous trees-popular, birch,some maple > shrubs-chokecherry (lots), other leafy type shrubs > other- wild strawberry , blackberry,raspberry,some blueberry > grasses in huge wetlands, bullrushes with some flowering wetland plants > some early and later wild flowers > wild plants like ferns, milkweed, golden rod.,iris > I don't see a great abundance of wildflowers > lots of green foilage type vegetation > some wild apple trees although about 3 miles down road > > only a small part of the total area is old homestead field.(about 3 acres) > (grasses and wild plants) > The soil is 3 inches of topsoil with underlying pure beach type sand > I want to plant something here and also to potentially help future hives > > Wild bees- early in spring I saw lots of bees flying low to ground and at > spruce trees. > Other times I saw lots of wasps and bumble bees and probably other bees I can't > identify. > Abundance of insects including black flies, mosquitos, deer flies, dragon > flies, grasshoppers at varying times etc > > above is not a complete list and I don't know what of above is honey bee > relevant or irrelevant > I should do some searching of archives on plants for bees > > I appreciate any comments that will help me sort this out and give direction. > > Thanks all From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:39:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 928539751 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:42:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:42:31 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18131 Seems I read somewhere years ago of a study done in northern Minnesota. Insulated vs. uninsulated. The insulated colonies had far more moisture problems, although I think all they tried was hay, felt paper and cardboard. The poly hives may be different. From cde049@airmail.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Saging comb in brood box Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:18:17 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 14 Message-ID: <68B337B251D67A07.A83A48BCA08390CE.4D3C661EAEA571D0@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7j9uom$u01@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Jun 4 20:33:10 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !dF_k1k-X-\8L:2 (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18132 Typically here in Texas it has been in the 90's (both humidity and F. temp) all this week I went out this evening (the only time I have to work the bees) and the comb in my Deeps is all sagging and drooping to the bottom> I will stager the mediums above them (Three on one hive Two on the other) to improve ventilation but short of A/C is there anything else I should do? Looked through Keeping Bees, Hive Management, and The Beekeepers Handbook and didn't see any recommendations someone from south of the Mason Dixon line needs to write a beginning beekeepers book! The problems are different for us Sons of the Confederacy than they are for those in Mi. or N.Y. Cliff From allend@internode.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: top bars for top bar hives Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:28:16 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <000201beaef2$afd76480$02000003@allend> References: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Importance: Normal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18133 > > Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be > cardboard... We make temporary cardboard entrance reducers for our Langstroth hives by cutting a strip of corrugated box material 3" x 13-1/2" and then folding once lengthwise. We then just jam it sideways into the entrances. It fits any height of gap. The advantage? We don't have to guess when to remove them. The bees just chew them out when they think it is time. Why am I telling you this?... !,lenMJ From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saging comb in brood box Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 02:31:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604214850.08003.00001022@ng-fi1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990604223122.07910.00000765@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18134 Scrap plywood on top of the hives to give em shade will help. See a roofer they toss lots of plywood scrap. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms : The absolute minimum hive . Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 04:18:01 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 91 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.101 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:16:31 GMT X-Trace: 928559791.131.11 KRFRRPH9I9865CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18135 Hi, This is an anecdote . When I was quite small, dad was going through a rough time in the logging business, and got interested in the bee hives that for the most part, were at the bottom of his list of "things to do". At that time, we had a stainless steel bucket, something to do with cattle, but I never did know what it was really for, but it was probably 12" in diameter, and 14" deep . It was laying propped against I don't remember what for years, and had a very slight gap, between the rim, and the ground . Well . Turned out, that the bees had not only settled into this stainless steel whatsit, but had it plumb full of comb, and bee colony . Dad guessed that they'd been in it for three years . He'd known that they were swarming, but the log truck needed repair, and that came first . By the time he had a spare moment for the bees, the swarm was gone . Brushing out, among the hives, he came across it again . Now folks, it's very fine, to argue amongst our own fine selves about what is THE BEST hive design, but for a temporary home, and even to winter them over, the truth is a LOT less complicated then the salesman at the farm store wants us to believe . So long as the only goal, is to keep the bees alive, and reasonably happy . Some poor sod, running across a swarm for the first time, and getting strange ideas about becoming a beekeeper might want to delay the college degree in bee business, till he can be reasonably assured that his lively and ambitious friends don't head for greener pastures . Wouldn't it make good sense, in a newsgroup like this, to write to those folks, that they need a water tight something, not less than about a square foot, preferably a bit more, that the bees can enter, and leave by a small opening ? And, really, that's all it takes, till the novice can go out and buy all the books we pawn off on him, to sell beekeeping INDUSTRY supplies . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/20/99 3:53PM, in message <374491f5.25400481@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, geoffkb@coldmail.com wrote: I've just moved to Fresno from England and want to start beekeeping again. How do I spread the word that I am able and willing to collect swarms in my area? Is there any sort of beekeeping association in the Fresno area? Geoff From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 13:13:04 GMT References: <000201beaef2$afd76480$02000003@allend> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605091304.25592.00000367@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18136 Allan writes about cardboard: >We don't have to guess when to remove them. The bees >just chew them out when they think it is time. > >Why am I telling you this?... I get your point. I will reinforce holes for bees with metal eyelets so bees do not chew frayed perimeters of holes. Thanks for tip.From what I read one of the beauties of top bar hive movement is that you can experiment with materials. This leaves money to buy sting proof suit for beginner. From what I read I think they make cardboard langstoth type hives as a lower cost alternative to wood. My cardboard is hard pressed like wood. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 13:13:05 GMT References: <37561309.5E10@povn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605091305.25592.00000368@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18137 Skip writes >The various herbs blended >with clover, or whatever else is available, makes the most interesting >honey, and marketed as "Herb & (whatever)" it sells like a charm. :-) >There may be an herb or two that doesn't produce good honey but if so, >we haven't run across them yet. :-) We utilize chives, borage, mint, >lavender, sage, catnip, basil and thyme. I'm not sure if tansy is >classified as an herb or just a plain ole weed, but *don't* plant it >under any circumstances. a. t. A. > Skip wrote quite an epistle on this topic . Included is the above which is quite interesting . I was wondering how much herbs would you have to plant to get an effect into honey. I f you plant exclusively sage would the medicinal qualities of sage get into the honey.Personally I use my own concoction of sage to get relief from canker mouth sores. From adamf@vt.edu Mon Jun 7 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: 6 Jun 1999 17:59:09 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18138 In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > >I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when >the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From magic@spartanburg.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail From: "magic" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: water tight hive top Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:17:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.222.108.72 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 928707473 206.222.108.72 (Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:17:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:17:53 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18139 You don't have to be a sheet metal worker to have water tight hive tops. this new aluminum vapor barrier product installs in minutes, is self sealing and easy to install. 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Allow 2 wks. for shipping Send money order / cashiers check only no personal checks please From calin@ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 7 06:48:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuclgoing in to winter Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:00:32 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <375B19AF.385893FD@ozemail.com.au> References: <3757ba99.396059@news.newcastle.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928713615 16330 203.63.79.234 (7 Jun 1999 00:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 00:00:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18140 Hope wrote: > Hi I have had my first nuc for severral monthes now and we are moving > into the Aussie winter. One problem you have in with this news group id the most contributors are >from the Northern Hemisphere where the winters are quite different from our own (wrong time of for a start). A lot of their advice (for wintering) will not apply to you. I keep my 2 hives in Sydney so my winter experience is closer to yours. We have a generous winter. The winter honey flow never stops completely so the bees are foraging the whole time. Some beekeepers get a good honey surplus during the winter. However the trees that provide this nectar do not provide useful pollen and the bees' nutrition can suffer badly. When we have trouble with honey flow it is mostly due to the lack of rain rather than cold temperature. In the autumn extraction I like to leave about 2 frames of stored honey as a winter reserve. I reduce my hives to 2 full depth boxes by end of April and leave them alone until August. I know some local beekeepers who say it is better to reduce the hive to only on box because it is easier for the bees to keep warm. I compromise by using 2 boxes with a inner cover between them. The inner cover has a whole (about 25mm diameter) in the middle. The bees can restrict themselves to just the lower box when the feel cold (the inner cover helps to retain the heat down low). In warmer days they have access to the upper box if they need it. The spring flow starts sooner than you think. Have you seen the wattles lately? Some of them are getting ready to flower. Wattle is not particularly good for bees but it illustrates the point the the winter (as most books from the north describe it) never really happens here. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:26:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18141 adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >> >>I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when >>the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. >> >Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched >out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf If it was a laying worker she did a good job. The egg was attached to the cell by the end of the egg. If there was a laying worker present, why didn't I see any other eggs? And yes I did look :). Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plant buffet for bees Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 16:41:51 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18142 I have the following on property where I propose to put hives. The list is not complete it is from recollection. I've made other comments as well conifer trees -pine, spruce, balsam, cedar, etc deciduous trees-popular, birch,some maple shrubs-chokecherry (lots), other leafy type shrubs other- wild strawberry , blackberry,raspberry,some blueberry grasses in huge wetlands, bullrushes with some flowering wetland plants some early and later wild flowers wild plants like ferns, milkweed, golden rod.,iris I don't see a great abundance of wildflowers lots of green foilage type vegetation some wild apple trees although about 3 miles down road only a small part of the total area is old homestead field.(about 3 acres) (grasses and wild plants) The soil is 3 inches of topsoil with underlying pure beach type sand I want to plant something here and also to potentially help future hives Wild bees- early in spring I saw lots of bees flying low to ground and at spruce trees. Other times I saw lots of wasps and bumble bees and probably other bees I can't identify. Abundance of insects including black flies, mosquitos, deer flies, dragon flies, grasshoppers at varying times etc above is not a complete list and I don't know what of above is honey bee relevant or irrelevant I should do some searching of archives on plants for bees I appreciate any comments that will help me sort this out and give direction. 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Att: Kevin McIntyre 265-16 Midlake Blvd, SE Calgary, Alberta Canada T2X 2X7 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 Email: wcbdc@home.com --------------87965D8E908189921E988B50 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kevin McIntyre Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kevin McIntyre n: McIntyre;Kevin org: Westcan Business Development Corp. adr: 265-16 Midlake Blvd. S.E.;;;Calgary;Alberta;T2X 2X7;Canada email;internet: wcbdc@home.com title: Financial Consultants tel;work: 1-(403) 201-7713 tel;fax: 1-(403) 201-7719 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------87965D8E908189921E988B50-- From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:57:23 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7jfgfk$mm9$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.9 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928728372 23241 12.72.51.9 (7 Jun 1999 04:06:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 04:06:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18144 Sounds like you may be trying to conceal your hobby from the neighbors. I live in the city. Back yard is 30 x 40 ft and until yesterday I had 4 hives here. I move 2 to a friends 1 acre lot so I am back down to 2. Local laws allow for 2 hives and I think it is 55 ft from property line. Mine are about 2 ft in. All of our neighbors for several houses on all sides know we keep bees. I think you only reinforce peoples paranoia about bees if you are not open with them. Then they can't say something like "If your bees won't cause any problems, why did you try to hide them." Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com... > In article , "Anglin" Ellen > writes: > > >Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees > >up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths > >that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little > >wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. > > > > What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! > > > >Ellen > > > Sounds like a good idea but if the neighbours see you in a beekeepers suit it > might tip them off. Maybe I could wear goggles only to protect eyes . I think > you right about top bar hives looking non descript. > > thanks > Jajwuth > From eric_cl@pacbell.net Tue Jun 8 06:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375BC212.A56ED83D@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:58:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 928760188 216.103.215.122 (Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:56:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:56:28 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18145 Jajwuth wrote: > (snip) > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. Yes. This year I started five hives on the roof of a three story building in San Francisco. It is a dense residential area adjacent to a park. One neighbor spotted me with the veil on, waved, and gave me a thumbs up. We mentioned the bees to a couple moving in next door who turned out to be gardening enthusiasts. No problem there. The altitude of the hives keeps the local density of foragers very low on the street level. The main flyway is straight to the park at a 20-30 ft altitude. Earlier this season, I spent a couple weeks surveying the park and neighborhood for bees. I found two. Now I find bees at most every nectar source in the area. They may not all be mine, but I am satisfied that I've done my pollination duty. I also have distant apiaries, taking advantage of Bay Area micro climates, but I like having my bees close at hand. Find a situation comfortable for you and your neighbors. The bees will adapt to most anything. Good luck! Eric -- Eric K. Engelhard San Francisco, CA From war2@home.com Tue Jun 8 06:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: war2@home.com (Warren Ransom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Date: 7 Jun 1999 11:20:22 -0500 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18146 I am interested in starting a hive or two in the next few years and am beginning to start my due diligence. i was wondering if anyone could help me by pointing me in the right direction? i've gotten a few ideas about research material, books, periodicals, etc.. but does anyone know the best way to find out what the laws are in my area regarding beekeeping? i live in Fairfiled county Connecticut and have no idea whom to contact for information about what i can and cannot do in my area (are the applicable laws city, county, state, or federally mandated?) any pointers would be great. thanks! From taylaw@digizen.net Tue Jun 8 06:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.244 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:01:58 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <375C1726.AB64CA88@digizen.net> References: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 928786061 103034 209.194.78.12 (7 Jun 1999 20:07:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 20:07:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18147 The Backyard Beekpers Association is in your area. Their web page is located at: http://www.fairfieldweb.com/byba/ Also... the Conn. State Apiarist is: Ms. Carol R. Lemmon Deputy State Entomologist Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station 123 Hunting Street P.O. Box 1106 New Haven, CT 06504 Phone: (203) 789 7236 Fax number: (203) 789 7232 She should be able to help you out. Good luck!! Warren Ransom wrote: > I am interested in starting a hive or two in the next few years and am > beginning to start my due diligence. i was wondering if anyone could > help me by pointing me in the right direction? > i've gotten a few ideas about research material, books, periodicals, > etc.. but does anyone know the best way to find out what the laws are > in my area regarding beekeeping? i live in Fairfiled county > Connecticut and have no idea whom to contact for information about > what i can and cannot do in my area (are the applicable laws city, > county, state, or federally mandated?) > any pointers would be great. thanks! From bobpursley@aol.com Tue Jun 8 06:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 21:02:29 GMT References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18148 In article <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: > >product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide >exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in >colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and >much relished. > >Seems indirect and rather technical. > >In the woods in early spring I saw a vast numbers of bees buzzing around >spruce >trees at the tips of branches. I didn't check the pines. > >Does that mean that conifer forests are contributors to honey production in >North America as well. > If you want to call it honey. From cardinf@tis.ch Tue Jun 8 06:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial03.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: 7 Jun 99 20:18:08 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01beb129$9253e620$LocalHost@default> References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18149 Jajwuth schrieb im Beitrag <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com>... > In a book entitled Honey for Health it describes a type of honey from Germany > as follows: > > product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide > exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in > colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and > much relished. > > Seems indirect and rather technical. Despite it is rather correctly stated. I'm a hobby beekeeper in Europe, in an area at around 2000 ft altitude, where this type of honey usually is the major crop and, in certain years, can give very high yields. The basis are tiny insects (genus: psyllinae, coccinae, aphidae) which tap not only pine trees and spruce but e.g., oaks and certain other leaf-growing trees as well. A beekeeping dictionary lists 58 species of such insects which are producers of 'Honigtau' (honeydew) which then is eagerly collected by ants, bees and other insects. One Hektar (about 3 acres) of spruce is estimated to produce as much as 1400 pounds of honey! This dark brown to greenish honey has a strong flavor, think of something like a very concentrate maple syrup with a flavor of pine needles. The highly complex and interdependent life cycles of all the insects involved in the production of 'Honigtauwaldtracht' (forest honey) are worth of further study and cannot be explained here. But if you are suspicous of honeydew in your area place a few white sheets of paper under the tree and check it after a few hours: if it is speckled with small, sticky, droplets bring in your bees! Full buckets! francis From bek@e-postboks.dk Tue Jun 8 06:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news100.image.dk!news030.image.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bernd Kuemmel" Subject: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: privat Message-ID: <01beb135$fcdede80$2e4636d4@bek> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:34:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.75.137 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@image.dk X-Trace: news030.image.dk 928794897 212.54.75.137 (Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:34:57 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:34:57 MET DST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18150 Dear Reader I am currently investigating the following, unfortunately very difficult, questions: 1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every 2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many flowering days can I count on)? 2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? 3. If I increase the share of SRC willow from 0 to 5% (or 10%) of a 1 square kilometre (c. .35 sq miles) area, how much would this extra pollen during spring mean for the build-up of the bee family (like in how much would its size [=number bees in %] be enlarged)? 4. What would this better start during spring mean for the summer honey production? I especially need information on question 1. I would especially appreciate guidance to literature, or also IN, references. Thank you in advance. Bernd Kuemmel From harrisonrw@aol.com Tue Jun 8 06:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 02:48:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> Message-ID: <19990607224807.07139.00001874@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18151 >Subject: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Hi Warren, Let me invite you to a meeting of the Western CT Beekeepers Association. We meet the third Thursday of each month in (June 17th) Bethel, CT. This will be our last meeting until September. If you care to send me your mailing address I will send you a information package on starting beekeeping in CT and a copy of our newsletter due out next week.. Regards, Ralph Harrison Secretary Western CT Beekeepers Association From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jun 8 06:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: glove recommendation Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <3759cbeb.10147052@news.usit.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:54:40 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18152 > NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.150.76 > They really love to sting ankles with thin black socks. Stings on ackles are the worst ; maybe no veil ; maybe no gloves : but NEVER no rubber boots. Michael From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:13:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jio3u$m41$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18153 carl wrote: >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? It sounds like your going as a yellow jacket! >How many legs do I need 6 > do I need 4 or 2 wings, 4 >and does my sting have a point or is hooked? Barbed point You also need a long tounge that will cause every woman in the place to want a date with you! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newscon04!prodigy.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:26:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> Message-ID: <19990608112616.23242.00001908@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18154 From: carl >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? You are hitting a sore point with beekeepers. Your image of a bee is actually a yellow jacket, and we don't like being blamed for what yellow jackets do. Bees are not yellow and black. Bees are more muted in color, and quite fuzzy, at least when young. The traditional Italian bee has three bands, altho this varies. There's a photo of one, sitting on my finger, on Jan's page: http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From sgreb@ionet.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stacey or Steven Greb" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice beekeeper Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:48:42 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7jcr17$ek$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lawnas2-45.ionet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18155 I need some help and advice. I started a hive with package bees this spring. I have (or maybe had) a new queen and everything. All has gone well until recently when the hive started to cluster outside the brood chamber. I suspected that I needed to add a second brood chamber for additional room, but also thought the hive needed more ventilation. At first I prompt up the hive to give the colony more ventilation, then began preparing a second chamber with racks and starter, etc. I took the opportunity to inspect the hive. The first thing I notice was that the hive had created at least a dozen queen cell. Therefore, I suspected that the queen had died and they were trying to replace her or that the hive was preparing to split and swarm (supersedure). Second, there also seemed be a lot of drone cells. Finally, I never could find the queen after two searches on separate days. What are the chances that my new, young queen has died and that I now need to replace her?? Any advise or comments are welcome. Steve in Oklahoma. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 11:51:37 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18156 Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man would let me set up a string of top bar hives. It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do beekeeping in city?. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 15:44:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18157 In article , "Anglin" Ellen writes: >Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees >up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths >that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little >wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. > > What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! > >Ellen > Sounds like a good idea but if the neighbours see you in a beekeepers suit it might tip them off. Maybe I could wear goggles only to protect eyes . I think you right about top bar hives looking non descript. thanks Jajwuth From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:10:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18158 >Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly c Well this is one of the miracles of a bee hive. Yes they do seal the cracks, to keep out the hot air !!! the bees line up and fan in one direction, literraly walls of bees fanning in one direction other bees block the center areas so that there is literally a huge flow of air coming in and going out. bees collect water bringing it into the hive so that as the air flows over the water it evaporates cooling the hive. On a hot summer afternoon you can really hear the air conditioning running from about 5 feet away. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1999 18:15:55 GMT References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18159 Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? I would like to coat the inside of my hive with something to extend it's life. thanks Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:30 GMT X-Trace: 928872330.512.57 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18160 Hi, What is a hot summer afternoon ? For that matter, what is hot ? For that matter, what is "not raining" ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/8/99 8:10AM, in message <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly c Well this is one of the miracles of a bee hive. Yes they do seal the cracks, to keep out the hot air !!! the bees line up and fan in one direction, literraly walls of bees fanning in one direction other bees block the center areas so that there is literally a huge flow of air coming in and going out. bees collect water bringing it into the hive so that as the air flows over the water it evaporates cooling the hive. On a hot summer afternoon you can really hear the air conditioning running from about 5 feet away. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:13 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928875652 6855 12.72.43.174 (8 Jun 1999 21:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 21:00:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18161 Jajwuth, Take a look here, it will answer some of your questions: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/Beeinfoindex.html While you are at it, the whole site is worth exploring. Home is at: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/index.html -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com... > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This > makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've > heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could > set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. > Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain > link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let > lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for > future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could > find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man > would let me set up a string of top bar hives. > > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:36 GMT X-Trace: 928872336.302.80 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18162 Hi, Also, the front wings can be hooked to the back wings for the maximum surface in flight, or unhooked for landing, and walking . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/8/99 1:07AM, in message <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com>, carl wrote: I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? Thanks in advance p.s. How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have a point or is hooked? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:27 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:43 GMT X-Trace: 928872343.543.61 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18163 Hi, You can sell anything, if you call it rare, and expensive . Raw fish eggs . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Though, in this case, that fruit Bee-consume' sounds too good to pass up, to me . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/7/99 8:59PM, in message <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > If you want to call it honey. What else would you call it? The bees collected a naturally occuring source of sweetness and, having treated with their enzymes, stored it in condensed liquid form. In addition to honeydew honey, which has a long and venerable history, you will find other kinds of non-nectar-based honeys, as, for example, this honey listed on Jan's Sweetness and Light webpage : <> If the bees "call" it honey, perhaps it is. Whether or not you like it or can find a large contemporary American market for it is another question altogether. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jun 8 22:17:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:17:21 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr> References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-9.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 928878686 9966 194.158.120.9 (8 Jun 1999 21:51:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 21:51:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18164 Hi, I would never paint the inside, bees will take care by propolizing everywhere that is a perfect sanitized protective coating. Jajwuth a écrit dans le message : 19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com... > Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? > Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? I would like to > coat the inside of my hive with something to extend it's life. > > thanks > Al From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Tue Jun 8 22:17:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs or packages Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:48:00 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18165 My family was in the beekeeping business for about 15 years over a decade ago. I am currently looking at getting back into the business. Most of the starter information I have read suggest going with packages instead of nucs. I am lined up to recieve a few nucs in a week or so. Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most recommended for starters? thankyou, Mark Veltman From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jun 8 22:17:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:27:46 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.226.31 X-Trace: 928880977 1NNUCNF1GE21FC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18166 Jajwuth My bees insisted on anaglypta wallpaper in a muted shade of blue. They reckoned it made the hive cooler looking on a hot day and they could run upstairs easily on the embossed design. Chris Jajwuth wrote in message <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com>... >Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? >Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? 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That sounds like an F 1-11. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bayvarol and swarms Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:45:17 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928739125 nnrp-13:16642 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18169 In article <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk>, John E. Fox writes >Has anyone had any experience with Bayvarol and a possible reduction >in the number of swarms? > >John Fox > > >****************************************************************** >Alta Bioscience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk >School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 >The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 >Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK http://www.bham.ac.uk/Alta_Bioscience In cases where bayvarol (or similar) is _not_ used _and_ the colony is weakened by varroa, then is unlikely that they will be too interested in swarming. -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Secretary Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK From picdisc@ozemail.com.au Thu Jun 10 13:27:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "cad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:05:12 +1200 Organization: Customer of Telecom Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202-27-177-129.dialup.xtra.co.nz X-Trace: titan.xtra.co.nz 928746485 3415808 202.27.177.129 (7 Jun 1999 09:08:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 09:08:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18170 When you hive the swarm, do it in the late afternoon, and try not to stir them up too much. I understand when you say that the bees crawl over you. The danger there is that when it gets dark, it's harder to see the bees, and they crawl everywhere. I found the best way around this is to get one of those bee-proof suits, they work like a gem, but you have to wash them, otherwise they go mouldy. When you get the swarm, if you can put in a few frames of brood from another hive (making sure of course that you don't take the queen with you from the other hive. I've done this before and had two crazy hives). What will happen is, which is normal, 2/3 of the bees will go back to the old hive. The only way around this is to put a few frames of capped brood as I said above. This brood will hatch out in a few days and increase the population in the hive, increasing its chance of survival. With swarms you have to be careful that they don't swarm again. Basically they are like people if they don't like their environment, they will go elsewhere (i.e swarm again). So if you make their new hive as comfortable as possible, they should say and create a healthy, strong and productive hive. Some of my best productive hives are from swarms. Its basically natures way of natural selection, i.e. only the strong survive. You probably then should allow the hive a week to settle in, before opening them up to check on them. By that time they should have settled, and started building up more wax comb, and the swarm queens should have started laying eggs. -- Regards, ---- Chad Rowe ---- ChadRowe.com - Business consultants http://chadrowe.com/ support@chadrowe.com JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com... > Is it better not to hive swarms at night? When I did, it seemed like the bees > that didn't make it in the box couldn't find the hive. > Sadly, I didn't do a good job of hiving the swarm and 2/3s didn't make it in > the box. They all just kind of mulled in little clumps scattered around the > hive. There are angry bees everywhere at my in-laws place right now. > I also found out bees at night can be a lot more dangerous because they don't > fly so much as they crawl. They were crawling all over me. They quickly got > underneath the pant cuffs of my bee suit and were crawling up my legs. Ugggh! > I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to > hive a swarm. Any advice? From support@chadrowe.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Chad Rowe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need advice on captured swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:17:29 +1200 Organization: ChadRowe.com Business Consultants Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7jg2sl$38jt5$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> References: <7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "Chad Rowe" NNTP-Posting-Host: 202-27-177-129.dialup.xtra.co.nz X-Trace: titan.xtra.co.nz 928747221 3428261 202.27.177.129 (7 Jun 1999 09:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 09:20:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18171 I think re-combining the swarm with the original colony is the best option. You could set it up in a new hive, but what you would have then is two small hives. In my experience one strong hive will produce more honey than two small ones. Also it would be in a better position to survive through the winter, if it was stronger. So if your after a good honey production, combine the swarm. If you want two new hives, don't combine them, but it's unlikely that you will get much honey from the two smaller hives. When you combine them, you can put the box containing the swarm on top of the original colony, separting them with a sheet of paper with a few holes punched in it. This will ensure that they inter-mingle without too much disturbance. If there is a new queen in the original colony the swarm queen and the new queen will fight it out, and the strongest queen will survive. Also with the empty hive body next to the original hive. In my experience, I've never had a swarm move into a empty hive. They always seem to go it alone in a tree, on a fence, or somewhere else. With your empty hive you probably should put it away so the wax moths or other bugs get into it and ruin your frames. -- Regards, ---- Chad Rowe ---- ChadRowe.com - Business consultants http://chadrowe.com/support/ support@chadrowe.com KJ wrote in message news:7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Last year I started a colony from a captured > swarm. I thought I'd see what the native queen > was like, so I didn't requeen. > > A week ago, (just before I left on a one week > trip), I caught the hive in the act of swarming. I > recaptured the swarm, and set it up in a new > hive body with drawn comb. > > I'd like to get some honey this year, and go into > winter with a strong hive, so I'm thinking it > would be best to recombine the swarm with the > original colony. > > 1) Is this a wise move? > > 2) Should I kill the virgin, or the original queen > (which I assume is the one in the swarm)? > > One final question: At the time the hive swarmed, > there was an unoccuppied hive body, with drawn > comb, sitting right next to the hive which > swarmed. (This was from a hive which did not make > it through the winter.) Was it neccessary for me > to capture the swarm, or is it reasonable to > assume that the swarm would have settled in this > body anyway? > > Thanks for any advice, > > Kelly > Hillsboro, OR > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 03:33:35 GMT References: <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608233335.22539.00001397@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18172 George Styer writes: >Jajwuth, > >Take a look here, it will answer some of your questions: > >http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/Beeinfoindex.html Thanks for the reference, so far I've given it a brief once over I noticed it had a nice write up on beekeeping in bear country. regards Al From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 03:33:36 GMT References: <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608233336.22539.00001398@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18173 In article <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr>, "apipop" writes: >Hi, >I would never paint the inside, bees will take care by propolizing everywhere >that is a >perfect sanitized protective coating. I will be using a self constructed top bar hive and I was wondering if the bees would still propolize the interior since there is a fair amount of open space within the hive. I wanted to extend the life of the material because it is cardboard. regards al From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 04:25:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375696B4.F50F154F@riverace.com> Message-ID: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18174 I read some advice in this group about waiting until the bees were drawing comb on 9 or 10 frames and followed it (This is my 1st year too). My hive of Carniolans swarmed after starting on 8 frames. As I look at the frames now, I can see that they had clearly become honey-bound across the tops of the frames. I think this advice about watching for honey must be significant, and it is more important to add a 2nd super than to wait (if you don't want your hive to swarm). Though I did add a 2nd super to stymie the swarm impulse, the super was full of undrawn Plasticel with no beeswax coating on it. I'm not sure the bees were able to see past the honey barrier. The hive of Carniolans next to it that I supered with Duragilt (plastic covered with beeswax) did not swarm, and is rapidly filling the super. I suspect they smelled the beeswax and it drew them to work the Duragilt foundation, thereby suppressing the swarm impulse. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jun 10 13:27:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 10:54:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18175 When you add the 2nd brood chamber of undrawn foundation move a drawn frame up into it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:32:20 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:35:22 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18176 Also, what are the perils of adding the second super too early? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:31:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:34:57 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18177 In article <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > When you add the 2nd brood chamber of undrawn foundation move a drawn frame up > into it. > Interesting... drawn, but with no brood, right? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:30:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:33:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18178 > > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. Are you sure this is the law? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 15:28:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18179 (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. > > >Are you sure this is the law? > actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a fine of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. Al From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:00:14 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jh4nc$m87$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> <7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.122 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928781868 22791 12.72.41.122 (7 Jun 1999 18:57:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 18:57:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18180 This is very confusing. Are you saying that when you hive a swarm (that has left from a parent colony) that 2/3 will return to the parent colony? If you are talking about a split, then yes, the foragers will return to the old location, but a swarm "forgets" very soon. If they didn't, it would not make for a very good survival strategy if 2/3 of the reproductive unit returned to the parent. Please clarify. I reread the original question and it was cearly a swarm that was asked about. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail cad wrote in message news:7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz... > When you get the swarm, if you can put in a few frames of brood from another > hive (making sure of course that you don't take the queen with you from the > other hive. I've done this before and had two crazy hives). What will > happen is, which is normal, 2/3 of the bees will go back to the old hive. From b-m-karl@whidbey.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Billy E. Karlinsey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen replacer candy ? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:58:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <928952198.755.38@news.remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.12.120.179 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:16:38 GMT X-Trace: 928952198.755.38 K5UVNLILW78B3CF0CC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18181 If there no other water around a chicken watering can is a good idea, but add a lot of rocks it so the bees have a place to land or climb onto if they fall in to the water, that way it will reduce the drowned bees. Bill Real Name: wrote in message news:N.052799.131324.03@i-link-2.net... > Hi, > > Looked in on the bees, yesterday, > and my not so bright idea about using > an old chicken watering whatsit, to > feed pollen replacer turned out to be > full to the brim, with drunk, > and drowned bees . > > One idea down the tubes . > > What about making candy out of sugar, > and pollen replacer ? > > They've plenty of water(Washington > State) . > > Would this work ? > > What mixtures would make good > sense ? > > Ken . > > > > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 5/26/99 6:13PM, in message > <374C9C1F.4C01C4C7@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose > wrote: > > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture > to boiling and let boil for > > 5 minutes. > > > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and > feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do > not ferment as quickly. As > > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the > bees, they won't know. > > > > Laura > > greetings, > > for some reason, my news server did not show the > original post of this thread. > since the question has already been answered several > times by others ["don't cook > it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that > this thread should not be > allowed to get too long or contain too many > references to ratios and weight v.s. > volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become > apoplectic. ;) > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive ventilation Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1999 12:50:30 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18182 Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly constructed hive. Seems to me that the bees try to seal everything up with propolis. Should there be ventilation holes in roof edge and floor to allow air circulation. The analogy I'm thinking of is a building a house without proper ventilation. I know the bees fan to reduce heat. Again with the analogy of a house without proper ventilation could there be a moisture problems within the hive. I'm building my own hives. Thanks Al From g.mcclure@usxchange.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "g.mcclure" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm lures Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:11:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.47.227.140 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:12:33 GMT X-Trace: 928966353.371.95 MI9QTOWEUE38CD82FC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18183 i have seen some information on swarm traps or lures to capture wild bees and was wondering if they work? i like the idea of collecting wild bees too build my colonies and save money on packaged bees. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jun 10 13:27:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 22:23:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990609182332.01580.00001289@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18184 Generally you dont split up the brood area especially if the weather is cool and the hive is not strongly populated. Once summer rolls around there is probably no real downside to adding the next brood chamber early but in cold weather it will slow the hive down. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small plastic tubs. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:52:26 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928918851 nnrp-09:2638 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18185 Can anyone point me to a UK supplier of plastic tubs to hold beewax handcream. About 50/60g and/or 125g sizes. A pensioner member wants to buy small quantities (200-300). I know the bee suppliers sell them at about 40p each, but he thinks that may make his cream too expensive. Thank you. -- Tom Speight From adamf@vt.edu Thu Jun 10 13:27:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: 9 Jun 1999 06:53:08 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7jl30k$24j$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18186 In article <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > >If it was a laying worker she did a good job. The egg was >attached to the cell by the end of the egg. If there was a >laying worker present, why didn't I see any other eggs? Workers lay eggs. Probably up to 5%. The typical laying-worker brood one sees is made by more than one laying-worker. Hence the angle of the eggs and the number per cell. I've seen newly mated queens however, ready to roll, with only nuc bees attending them, lay a pattern where the eggs look like a "laying-worker". Why only one egg? Good question. Why do some workers' ovaries begin to produce eggs while others do not? I don't know. If the eggs you saw were diploid (queen eggs= fertilized) then they'd make a queen. Someone needs to rear and hatch out some eggs like the ones you describe, and see if they become queens or very small drones, or are killed, which would mean that they were also haploid= non-fertilized, and from a laying worker. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ttownsen@telusplanet.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED.MISMATCH!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375F1807.179E4D4F@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:42:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.201.168 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 928978932 161.184.201.168 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:42:12 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:42:12 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18187 > > Just tried the stuff today. It worked OK. I had some bees buzzing around me > and the hive, I sprayed some Liquid Smoke in the air and they seemed to settle > down.Think I like this more, no smoker to light, don't need to carry extra > fuel, don't need to keep the smoker going. > > Jeffery E Reader > > Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend Jeff; You might want to try a spritz bottle with water a few drops of peppermint oil mixed in, it works as well as the liquid smoke, smells better, and costs less. Tim Townsend From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:41:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18188 previous chat >> (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >> >> >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up >hive. >> > >> > >> >Are you sure this is the law? >> > >> actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a >fine >> of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. >> > >Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? > >-- In asking me that you are forgetting about the potential fine for non compliance. My opinion is that It is best to operate within the rules after all isn't the rules that say that your hives are private property while on someone else's land. The rules also I believe make a swarm from a hive public domain. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:50:52 GMT References: <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609205052.17311.00001307@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18189 In article <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com>, "Christopher Dainton" writes: >jajwuth >My bees insisted on anaglypta wallpaper in a muted shade of blue. They >reckoned it made the hive cooler looking on a hot day and they could run >upstairs easily on the embossed design. >Chris anaglypta wallpaper eh? seems they have asked for a kind wallpaper I wasn't aware of. do the bees glue it on with that propolis stuff. there is no second story to my hive so I'll forgo the embossed design Al From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-47.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:00:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2f X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 1999 03:01:10 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18190 In article <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > previous chat > >> (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > >> > >> >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up > >hive. > >> > > >> > > >> >Are you sure this is the law? > >> > > >> actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a > >fine > >> of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. > >> > > > >Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? > > > >-- > In asking me that you are forgetting about the potential fine for non > compliance. Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. Are you in the US -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 03:35:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18191 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. > >Are you in the US > That is a definitely a wrong conclusion. By the way in a rural setting it is 10 meters within a property line. There is lots of ways you can be technically non compliant in beekeeping. Even the design of the hive itself can be non compliant in some locales.I assume the authorities ask you to correct the situation before they come down on you like a ton of bricks. That should end this dialog.. From ajh@home.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "RABM" Subject: starting a new colony Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: ussun6f-ext.glaxowellcome.com/192.58.204.121 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 928988633150 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:24:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 928988640 216.200.3.205 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:24:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:24:00 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18192 I have observed a queen cell developing in the older of two brood boxes. How can I take advantage of this new queen to create a new colony? This is my first year at this facinating adventure. Thanks for your expertise. Bruce -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From BJ@nospam.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> From: NewBeekeeper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Assembling Frames? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.9.79 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 928991141 216.26.9.79 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:05:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:05:41 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18193 I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do I - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti cell). I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get - damaged? Any infor appreciated! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-47.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:16:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2f X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 1999 04:18:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18194 In article <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > In article , > HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > >Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. > > > >Are you in the US > > > > That is a definitely a wrong conclusion. By the way in a rural setting it is > 10 meters within a property line. There is lots of ways you can be technically > non compliant in beekeeping. Even the design of the hive itself can be non > compliant in some locales.I assume the authorities ask you to correct the > situation before they come down on you like a ton of bricks. > That should end this dialog.. Hell, what did I step into this time... What I MEANT was... who ever said he would get fined apparently didn't want to say where he's located. I'm curious if this kind of law exists in the US. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 07:26:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.156 X-Trace: 929003090 Y.AP37JYI989CCE81C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18196 Hi, I've got my bees in new equipment . But I spent our few sunny days recently, getting dad's old hives ready to go again . And they were old, when he bought them used . If the bees are in them, there's a preservative effect . Glues, the real experts have to tell you about, but I've always heard that you've got to be careful about poisoning the bees . I don't always use glue, but I have, and can't tell the difference . The only thing I can suggest, is to get plenty of equipment in advance of needing it . And, if you're using the frames with the nailed in strip, leave a stub of the nail sticking out, to remove it someday . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/9/99 10:08PM, in message <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com>, NewBeekeeper wrote: I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do I - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti cell). I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get - damaged? Any infor appreciated! From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper-direct honey Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:10:28 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jodjn$nu2$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.139.93 X-Trace: 929020343 1NNUCNF1G8B5DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18197 Al You can have some of mine if you like There is a 14 oz sample on the shelf in the garage but I am not sure about the regulations going across oceans etc. Chris Jajwuth wrote in message <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com>... >Do any of you beekeepers have honey for sale or barter ? >I have to buy my honey from a retail store and I would prefer to buy it direct. >I would also like to try different types. >I'm not sure of the regulations going across borders etc. > >Al From hamilton@pbssite.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <375fb7b2.225085875@news3.usenetserver.com> References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:07:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929020357 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:12:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:12:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18198 Just nails two down from the top bar on each end .. two up from the bottom bar on each end and the most important nail is one from each side into top bar, diagonally upward. This is the "usual" way. I know people with nail guns will put all the nails in from the side bars, through the little tabs into the top and bottom bars, horizontally. If you tried this with a hammer you would split a bunch of tabs open. When you nail the split rail back in .. it is a good idea to leave the 5/8" nails stick out a bit so you can pull them to replace foundation. Dave On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700, NewBeekeeper wrote: > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do >I >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti >cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get >- damaged? > >Any infor appreciated! > From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper-direct honey Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 14:15:21 GMT References: <7jodjn$nu2$1@gxsn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610101521.06545.00001907@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18199 "Christopher Dainton" writes: >Al >You can have some of mine if you like >There is a 14 oz sample on the shelf in the garage >but I am not sure about the regulations going across oceans etc. >Chris Is the honey in a solitary bottle next to paint cans, oil cans etc. In my mind I'm picturing my own garage. I think I'll pass. Thanks any way. Somebody sent me an e mail telling me to cease with the chatter, as though there is no human side to beekeeping.. Others do it like yourself, in fact in what I think they call a thread there was quite a few messages from some of the old boys in the group about toilet tissue. Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:21:32 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.139.93 X-Trace: 929021007 1NNUCNF1G8B5DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18200 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com>... >Hello all > >I've used snelgrove boards for the first time for years >Can someone remind me of the procedure to unite top brood with new queen to >bottom brood with old queen >Can I just K.O. the old queen and remove the snelgrove? > PS. What no replies to date? (2nd posting) Is it perhaps called a demaree board? It's the board with the 'open' and 'close' entrances My literature has no refernce to this method of swarm/queen rearing >thanks >Chris > > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 15:17:57 GMT References: <375F70EF.F0CEF9E1@gw.ford.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610111757.01162.00000118@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18201 Seems like some slack-jawed, Beavis-and-Butthead character has wandered into the group. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:57:33 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jnr8v$ml3$1@gxsn.com> References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.53 X-Trace: 929001567 1NNUCNF1GA135C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18202 Welcome to beekeeping Nail only! They will last for yonks If you are using wedge top bar (rather than sawcut) fix the foundation using a couple of 'horizontal' nails (when frame is upright) It will be easier to pop it out with a screwdriver when you are getting rid of old drawn comb Some people put a nail thro' the centre of the bottom rail to hold foundation but I avoid this. It makes it harder to clean up frame when renewing foundation Chris NewBeekeeper wrote in message <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com>... > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do >I >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti >cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get >- damaged? > >Any infor appreciated! > From post@sciseek.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375FDCFF.BFC2D441@sciseek.com> From: "Magnolia Scientific Services, Inc." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE Science and Nature Resource! 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I put a frame filled with brood of all ages and lots of eggs into the middle of the bottom deep. Much to my delight, one side of the frame was almost completely filled with eggs laid in a good pattern. The parts that were previously eggs only, are capped. I saw the queen on an adjascent frame. The hive has settled down quite a bit and seems to be doing nicely. Thnks to pollinator for his helpful advice. Only one thing that I am curious about. Given the time required for a queen to be raised from an egg and get mated, things just don't add up. If a queen can only be raised from a less than 3 day old egg, and then takes about a week to get mated and start laying, that means that the queen is laying a week early. Or could there have been a virgin queen in the colony that I missed during inspections and that was why my attempts to introduce failed? The weather has been very wet and cold for this time of year, so maybe it took longer than normal for the hypothetical "hidden virgin" to get mated. Does this sound plausible? Thanks, Scott Eby Kenmore, Wash. From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:54:47 GMT Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18205 > Article: 15846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Path: > cix.compulink.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!ayres.ftech.net!ne > ws.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed. > cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-f > or-mail > From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: top bar hive plans > NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com > X-Admin: news@aol.com > Date: 5 Jun 1999 15:47:48 GMT > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > References: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> > Message-ID: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> > Lines: 9 > > I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table > saws, two > each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm > Abrhams, > etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for > what I > can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment > in your > wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee > Wood must cost a lot !!. Michael There are only 24 hours in the day and 7 days in the week. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 19:08:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18206 >i, > > What is a hot summer afternoon ? > > For that matter, what is hot ? > > For that matter, what is "not raining" ? > >Ken . its when its 99.8 in the shade, not raining is what its been doing here for about 5 weeks queens stopped laying, dead bees and drones infront of every hive, forcast is for no rain through next week. animals cant get to the pond for all the bees Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did the ladies leave me? Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:23:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929042915 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:28:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:28:35 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18207 One of my hives (just started from a nuc this year) has lots of bees so someone has been laying. Started on foundation and its all pulled out so everything seems good except I just noticed no capped brood or larva/eggs. The others started the same day have the bottom box full of brood. Do I assume the queen left with some bees (swarmed) and I missed it? I don't see any swarm cells or emerency queen cells, open or closed. I don't see a significant number of drones. Ideas, I'll tear apart tonight and see if I can find a queen. Dave From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:06:09 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18208 Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. Al. From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sat Jun 12 22:57:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:17:19 -0400 Lines: 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <37601ea7.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 10 Jun 1999 15:23:03 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18209 I remember seeing a chart where a couple of 2x4's are nailed and it takes a few pounds of pressure to break them apart. But using glue it was thousands of pounds. In fact they refered to the nails as simply clamps, it's the glue that does all the work. Since then I always glue and nail the supers, bottom boards and cover. On the frames I only glue the side rails to the top and bottom bar and nail them as well. It adds a little more time but I think it will hold up better over time. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From mather1@gw.ford.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu.MISMATCH!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: GRIM REAPER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:01:51 +0100 Organization: Ford Motor Company Message-ID: <375F70EF.F0CEF9E1@gw.ford.com> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.165.5.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-c32f404p (Win95; I) Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18210 CARL. DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE GOING AS A BEE, YOU COULDE GO AS A SLUG AND YOU WOULD NOT EVEN NEED A COSTUME. CHEERS. GRIM REAPER. carl wrote: > > I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > Thanks in advance > > p.s. > How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have > a point or is hooked? From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-127.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:43:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.7f X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 20:46:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18211 In article <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. > > > > > >Are you sure this is the law? > > > actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a fine > of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. > Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:47:02 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jpbsa$is4$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.187 X-Trace: 929051338 1NNUCNF1GA1BBC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18212 Al Starter strips will be drawn out to the full frame in most cases I use starter strips in my supers because they are'nt wired and I can cut out the comb easily if it crystallises rapidly before I can extract (oil seed rape) Jajwuth wrote in message <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>... >Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to >the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being >present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If >there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a >crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full >foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar >hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a >langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > >Al. From kredick@cnu.edu Sat Jun 12 22:57:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kredick@cnu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Entering the exchange Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:58:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.155.230.137 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 10 19:58:20 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 137.155.230.137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18213 Anybody out there from the southeastern region of Virginia? I am an avid organic gardener who has always loved bees, and so, believing that failure is not to be feared but to be a catalyst for learning, I jumped into beekeeping this spring after a couple years of intense research. Much of what I have read, both in books and in this usenet log, indicate that I should be walking in the shadow of a living beekeeper. The only two I know of quit a number of years ago. Until I find a face-to-face beekeeping relationship, this usenet group is my only link to those in the know. My hive has been going for nearly 5 weeks now, and I have opened it twice. Does anyone remember the excitement of opening their first hive, for the first time? I'm there!! with all the wonder and questions. A week ago I noticed that they were building a supercedure structure (is that the right way to say it?). The queen seems to have a moderately regular pattern in the nest, and there were only a couple of sealed drones. I also noticed, here and there in the nest, that at the bottom of the unsealed cones there was a copper colored substance. Any comments or instruction is appreciated. Kip Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:45:06 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929054779 nnrp-01:14411 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18214 In article <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com>, Christopher Dainton writes >PS. What no replies to date? (2nd posting) >Is it perhaps called a demaree board? >It's the board with the 'open' and 'close' entrances >My literature has no refernce to this method of swarm/queen rearing >>thanks > >>Chris No, Snelgrove Board is correct. The two brood chambers are divides into box A with combs containing brood, and box B containg bees and combs with no brood. The queen and a frame containing a little unsealed brood is placed in the centre of box B Place box B on the floorboard, then a queen excluder,the super(s) that were on the hive, then box A above the super(s). Day 3/4, place the Snelgrove board under box A with the blank edge toward the front of the hive. The six entrances on the board are numbered: 1 left upper 2 left lower 3 right upper 4 right lower 5 rear upper 6 rear lower Open entratce 1 Day 7/8 close 1 open 2 & 3 Day 14/15 close 3 open 4 & 5 Entrance 6 doesnt come into the equation until later in the season if more bees are requred in box B, the the manipulations start all over. If you want to know more, buy the book: 'Swarming, Its Control & Prevention'. In my opinion, it's ok if you have a few hives and plenty of time. -- Tom Speight From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entering the exchange Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 23:42:11 GMT References: <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610194211.06546.00001816@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18215 In article <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kredick@cnu.edu writes: > >Anybody out there from the southeastern region of Virginia? There is a strong beekeepers association in Southern Maryland, I use to enjoy the trips quarterly to those meetings when I lived in Washington DC. I suspect there is one in your area, call your ag extension agent. From katperrr@gis.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Katherine A Perry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ? on effect of pesticides Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:30:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <929060631.523.18@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.32.220 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:23:51 GMT X-Trace: 929060631.523.18 K5MLV8YPG20DCD829C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18216 Can anyone point me towards information pertaining to the effect of pesticides on the honey bee? thanks -- Katherine A Perry From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-169.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:43:09 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.a9 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 1999 00:43:26 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18217 In article <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > queens stopped laying, dead bees and drones infront of every hive, forcast is > for no rain through next week. How many dead in front of each hive, you reckon? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From cheatherly@mms.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!jacui.paris.none.net!news.none.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376070F3.74AC8553@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:14:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.202 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 929067213 166.82.249.202 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:13:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:13:33 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18218 carl wrote: > I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > Thanks in advance > > p.s. > How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have > a point or is hooked? Carl, You need six legs, two wings, and a hooked stinger. Don't know about the striped, never counted them. However, pick a number, four or hive, everybody will stay so far away from you with that stinger, they won't care whether you've not the right number of stripes or not. LO Charles Heatherly, NC From cheatherly@mms.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37607047.22DD53EA@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:11:19 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.202 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 929067041 166.82.249.202 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:10:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:10:41 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18219 NewBeekeeper wrote: > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked > - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do > I > - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti > cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down > - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get > - damaged? > > Any infor appreciated! Nail the frames firmly and glue them. Otherwise, they will work apart at the most inconvenient time. You can still reuse them many times after this either by extracting honey and reusing wax, or cutting out honey and wax, cleaning up frames and installing new foundation. I do it all the time. Charles Heatherly, NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 02:24:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610222429.09002.00000382@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18220 >How many dead in front of each hive, you reckon? > the ones that came out 6 wks ago plus the drones they cant afford to feed during a drought Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Message-ID: References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 929073659 216.100.28.64 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:00:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:00:59 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:05:24 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18222 Did you mean to say: "...hive with frame but no foundation?" In article <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a > langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 02:17:23 GMT References: <376070F3.74AC8553@mms.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610221723.09002.00000381@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18223 ya know they don't call em three banded italians for nuthin . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I search the Archives? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:26:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 11 13:26:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18224 In article <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com>, "Robert Malley" wrote: > I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please > tell me were it is located and how to search it. > Thanks for your help. > > Just A NewBee Robert > > The newsgroup is potentially located anywhere there is a news server. One such location is www.deja.com. >From the home page, select "Power Search" (at the top right side of the page under the button labelled "Find"). Fill in the "Forum" box with "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" and you probably want to change the "Match" list box to "any". You could also fill in any of the other boxes to limit your search or enter a keyword for which to search. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 12 22:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: 11 Jun 1999 16:26:07 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18225 Some of you may remember that I was sued for an alleged mass stinging incident back in 1997 (it took 9 months to conclude). My case was helped considerably by the fact that I was operating WITHIN the parameters of the law, and had a good reputation amongst the neighbors. The lawyers in the group can clarify this, but a lot of it had to do with what defined me as being liable in the first place. Apparently, operating within the law and established beekeeping practice reduced or made me non-liable. I got the distinct impression that in a court situation a beekeeper is in more trouble if he is operating illegally and one sting occurs, than if he is operating legally, and a hundred stings occur. Unfortunately, if you keep bees and own property, you are vulnerable to suits by unscrupulous persons aided by "slip and fall" exploiting lawyers. My experience was that by being conscientious and legal (and clearly knowing a lot more about apiculture than anyone in the courtroom) I was completely exonerated. But had I been operating illegally, I have no doubt that the case would have gone against me -- even though the plaintiff had NO evidence corroborating his story. Dave T. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeper-direct honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 13:05:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18226 Do any of you beekeepers have honey for sale or barter ? I have to buy my honey from a retail store and I would prefer to buy it direct. I would also like to try different types. I'm not sure of the regulations going across borders etc. Al From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 03:59:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 08 03:59:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.47, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18227 bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > If you want to call it honey. What else would you call it? The bees collected a naturally occuring source of sweetness and, having treated with their enzymes, stored it in condensed liquid form. In addition to honeydew honey, which has a long and venerable history, you will find other kinds of non-nectar-based honeys, as, for example, this honey listed on Jan's Sweetness and Light webpage : <> If the bees "call" it honey, perhaps it is. Whether or not you like it or can find a large contemporary American market for it is another question altogether. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:22:54 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jik1t$phe$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <928619451@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.22.240 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18228 Hi Bill What about Bert Hart? I have not been in contact with many of the old team for some time, please update me. I will not be on the bee tour this year although might do so next year. The concerns over GM are one issue that needs resolving and perhaps the association should state a clear policy stance on it - if it has one! Another snippet came to me yesterday. The headline that caught my eye was "BEES DELIVER LETHAL CARGO" is this dramatic or what. It seems IACR Harpenden have been coating departing bees with spores of a fungus that attacks the black pollen beetle of OSR. Without more information this seems somewhat fraught, exposing one insect that forages randomly to a fungus that might or might not be specific to one species of a beetle. The journalists involved like dramatic headlines and this may degenerate the importance of bees and create un-necessary fear in the population and heavens knows they are sufficiently timorous of bees at the best of times. Is there a way to get BBKA to state a policy position? Are they consulted by the ministry or have they been overlooked as a lobbying group due to the shrinking membership? Keith From cpreece@ford.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: carl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:07:02 +0100 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.165.5.154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-c32f404p (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18229 I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? Thanks in advance p.s. How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have a point or is hooked? From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:24:09 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928839857 nnrp-11:25950 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18230 The simple answer is YES bees do move eggs. The following is paraphrased from Ted Hooper - A guide to Bees and Honey Blandford Press 1985 "As it is very unlikely that there will already be queen cups..... the bees make emergency type queen cells. The bees commence by adding royal jelly to selected worker larvae until they are floated to the mouth of the cell. By this time the bees have had time to build a bespoke cell. Provided the larvae is less than 36 hours old, it will form a satisfactory queen. Older larvae may result in smaller or weaker queens." The next question is WHY build a queen cup in the super? Perhaps the "architect" bee put her chalk (pheromone) mark in the wrong place which explains the vagaries of many human buildings. If there are no nurse bees to tend and care for the misplaced larvae then it will not survive. In article <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Gavin Ramsay writes >Dear All > >Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell >in a super above the excluder and brood box? > >The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with >the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. >The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was >furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips >(hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn >down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, >and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to >enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one >deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some >pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the >central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell >containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the >supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box >below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. > >A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can >take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen >slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, >then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during >the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? > >Gavin. > > > > -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Secretary Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Sat Jun 12 22:58:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:20:12 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7jj5a5$3ap$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> <7jio3u$m41$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928848005 3417 129.173.88.206 (8 Jun 1999 13:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 13:20:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18231 honeybs wrote: > > carl wrote: > > >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > It sounds like your going as a yellow jacket! > > >How many legs do I need > 6 > > > do I need 4 or 2 wings, > 4 > > >and does my sting have a point or is hooked? > Barbed point > > You also need a long tounge that will cause every woman in > the place to want a date with you! > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > And don't forget the prism googles Ulli From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:17:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> Message-ID: <19990608111758.23242.00001907@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18232 From: Mark Veltman >My family was in the beekeeping business for about 15 years over a >decade ago. I am currently looking at getting back into the business. >Most of the starter information I have read suggest going with packages >instead of nucs. I am lined up to recieve a few nucs in a week or so. > >Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most >recommended for starters? Packages can be shipped. If you have nucs available, go with them. They will have brood emerging on the day you get them, whereas installed packages will dwindle quite a while, until brood starts hatching and the colony builds. You probably have at least a three week advantage with nucs. If your main flows are early, that can be critical. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:15:08 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <375D418C.FD719E25@riverace.com> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 409RTEs4wpcT0GXPXS4pfiuODG/zQmyEs6sCreE2fJg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 16:15:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18233 Steve Huston wrote: > My gloves have leather hands and ventilated canvas arms. So far I've > not been stung through them, and I've seen bees trying. Spoke too soon... ;-) Little sucker got me through the ventilated part of the sleeve this weekend. Oh well. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From apimo@apimo.dk Sat Jun 12 22:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:25:17 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip17.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 929122192 3194 195.249.242.17 (11 Jun 1999 17:29:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 17:29:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18234 Terry Western skrev i meddelelsen <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com>... >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one >remind us where to find it? You can get the software from my web placed in USA. The software is multilingual in the sence that the software 'try to speak your country language' and if not found speak English :-) The language covered is : English Dutch German Danish Swedish Spanish Brazil Puortoguise and can be translated into any language of the world by the user him/her self. Even the source for the help file is available on request. A simple winword document (RTF) and if translated and returned to me I will compile the helpfile for use with Your language . best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37615279.312E45AA@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:16:26 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.75.213 X-Trace: news1.atl 929124930 209.214.75.213 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:15:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:15:30 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18235 We all agree that beekeeping is considered agriculture... I suppose it can also be considered a "non-profit" enterprise... David (more bees than money) Sue Snyder wrote: > I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment > and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an > equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of > agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to > be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone > point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. > > Jeff in Michigan From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:02:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 11 Jun 1999 10:04:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jun 11 03:05:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust153.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3760DE9B.2C34@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18236 Jajwuth wrote: > > Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to > the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being > present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If > there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a > crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full > foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar > hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a > langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > > Al. I've used a starter strip in shallow supers for comb honey and the bees pull it from corner to corner. I suspect they would do the same with deeps. Don From dscribner@SPAM-CATCHERbigfoot.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:08:09 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7jrfav$pnc@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-60.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 11 12:00:15 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18237 Terry Western wrote: >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one >remind us where to find it? Go to http://apimo.dk . --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 17:15:37 GMT References: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611131537.23075.00001981@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18238 David J Trickett writes: > Apparently, operating within the law and established beekeeping >practice reduced or made me non-liable. One thing puzzles me about the above statement what is the meaning of established beekeeping practise. Wouldn't operating within the law to some degree assure you are operating in an established manner as long as you are not negligent in your practises. Thanks Al From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:11:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7jrqgk$o0j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <928179963@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929131860 24595 62.136.22.151 (11 Jun 1999 20:11:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:11:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18239 Bill Mundy wrote in message <928179963@zbee.com>... >be sown in this area, I wrote to two local M.P.s, stating that a 6m barrier of >non G.M. seed around the test area would no t prevent pollination by Honeybees >--- > * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) More important is that if an insecticide element is genetically introduced into pollen of, say, OSR, it will be fed to our bee larvae and they will die. The same applies to bumble bees, which are under many other threats. Monsanta apologists say that Monarch butterflies only died under labolratory conditions, when they were force fed GM pollen but our bees force feed larvae, which NEED pollen. I've telephoned and written to Radio 4 about this but this very important aspect of the matter never seems to be raised. Perhaps we need a mass lobby. After all, honey bees are vital to agricultural economy for that very pollination effected by adult bees collecting pollen to feed to the developing bees. Mary Fisher From beeman10@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, and ANTS ? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 19:16:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611151657.24730.00001480@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18240 Not all black ants are carpenter ants. There is a species of carpenter ant that has a red thorax and black abdomen and head. The size does vary in a carpenter ant colony and the older the colony, the more large ants you will see. I have seen several species of ants around my hive and the bees defend their hive from all of them. They usualy put down extra propolis to keep them. I have found them on the inner cover warming their eggs and the bees have filled in the central hole almost completely. The ants will raid the hive for honey and I would not put it past some species grabbing pollen and bee parts. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives in bear country Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 19:37:54 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18241 >From what I read that some of the best pesticide free apiary sites also happen to be in black bear country. Also I read that there is strategies in locating your apiary and the recommendation of using electric fences. Electric fences require maintenace and monitoring to be effective. You have to use bacon and condition the bear not to go through the fence. Do they really work ? My question is do apiaries in themselves attract bears? Or is it by chance that a foraging bear will come upon an apiary. Is there anybody not using electric fences in bear country? Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I search the Archives? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 99 19:02:35 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.88 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:00:39 GMT X-Trace: 929131239.569.71 KRFRRPH9I9858CE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18242 Hi, Actually, you can spend days in fruitless searching . It's rare that you find what you're looking for on the first try . Be as cunning as you're able, to keep the search as narrow, and on-target as possible . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/11/99 6:26AM, in message <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com wrote: In article <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com>, "Robert Malley" wrote: > I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please > tell me were it is located and how to search it. > Thanks for your help. > > Just A NewBee Robert > > The newsgroup is potentially located anywhere there is a news server. One such location is www.deja.com. >From the home page, select "Power Search" (at the top right side of the page under the button labelled "Find"). Fill in the "Forum" box with "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" and you probably want to change the "Match" list box to "any". You could also fill in any of the other boxes to limit your search or enter a keyword for which to search. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-184.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives in bear country Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:05:36 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.b8 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:08:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18243 In article <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >You have to use bacon and condition the bear not to > go through the fence. Do they really work ? > Here in Colorado, some friends put electrodes into a piece of bacon and shocked the hell out of a problem bear. They swear he's never been back. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 21:13:39 GMT References: <37615279.312E45AA@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611171339.03117.00000643@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18244 >beekeeping is considered agriculture... I suppose it can also >be considered a "non-profit" enterprise... THATS FOR DANG SURE !!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:23:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7jrr77$ok7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929132583 25223 62.136.22.151 (11 Jun 1999 20:23:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:23:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18245 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com>... >I know that the catenary hive is mentioned in book called Home Honey >Production. >I didn't know if there was another book on subject. Bill Bielby, then County Bee Adviser in West Yorkshire, wrote the book and invented the catenary hive. He kept some bees in them and I took my first exam using one with him as my examiner. I passed with flying colours but not because of the hive, I wouldn't advise using one. Condition have to be ideal to manipulate the frames. Bill Bielby retired and moved to New Zealand several years ago and I don't think has been heard of since. Mary the Chandler It puzzle me why a top >bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because of the shape of comb. From tceisele@mtu.edu Sat Jun 12 22:58:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Date: 11 Jun 1999 13:02:45 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18246 Jajwuth wrote: : what is the approximate price differential between nucs and packages? : I assume that with a top bar hive the only way to go is with package bees : since nucs are aimed more at the langstroth market.. : Al >From my (admittedly limited) experience, the price difference is essentially none. Packages look a bit cheaper at first, but you have to pay for the postage, which makes their price pretty much the same as nucs ($50 per nuc in my area). As far as putting nucs in top bar hives, is there any particular reason why the TBH can't be made so that a Langstroth frame will fit in, at least temporarily? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:39:43 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7jrvqk$mc1$1@gxsn.com> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.129.129 X-Trace: 929137300 1NNUCNF1G8181C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18247 Thanks Tom Your post was very useful I've muddled through with some success I've raised 4 new queens on the 5 hives I'd tried it on Top box and bottom box with loads of eggs and brood ready for the summer flow if it appears I'll unite the brood with the new queen in anticipation I like the idea of only putting the snelgrove board after 3/4 days to give the unsealed QC plenty of nurse bees I did it straight away and with a somewhat haphazard use of entrances it still worked The one failure ended with a total desertion of the top brood box but the old queen at the bottom came back into lay Yes it does take some time but perhaps no more than an artificial swarm procedure The one disadvantage is that it all happens during the spring flow with supers having to be cleared at the same time I found the real advantage is that I make no increase, being limited on space Thanks Chris Tom Speight wrote in message <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>... From BobCan@Clover.Net Sat Jun 12 22:58:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Bob" From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:23:55 -0400 Lines: 24 Organization: Ohio Bee Keeper X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <375fd891@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 10 Jun 1999 11:24:01 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18248 Yes they do work.. Although, collecting a swarm means you are collecting bees that like to swarm! I don't know If I have seen any wild bees. The ones I have seen are usually from my hives! I have made it a point to replace the queen with a breed that doesn't have a tendency to swarm. Good Luck! g.mcclure wrote in message news:928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com... > i have seen some information on swarm traps or lures to capture wild bees > and was wondering > if they work? i like the idea of collecting wild bees too build my colonies > and save money on > packaged bees. > > > > From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:15:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7jrqo7$os8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 11 20:15:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18249 In article <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: > > Terry Western skrev i meddelelsen <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com>... > >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the > >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. > >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one > >remind us where to find it? > > You can get the software from my web placed in USA. > > The software is multilingual in the sence that the software 'try to speak > your country language' and if not found speak English :-) > > The language covered is : > > English > Dutch > German > Danish > Swedish > Spanish > Brazil Puortoguise > > and can be translated into any language of the world by the user him/her > self. Even the source for the help file is available on request. A simple > winword document (RTF) and if translated and returned to me I will compile > the helpfile for use with Your language . > > best regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) > http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) > http://apimo.dk (USA) > apimo@post4.tele.dk > apimo@wn.com.au > Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > > Are you aware that your URL http://apimo.dk gives an error message? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jkimbro@midtown.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis buster Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:13:53 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.36 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:20:53 GMT X-Trace: 929146853.152.84 YIDHBSSGM6524CDA2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18250 Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:39:41 GMT References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611203941.07651.00000880@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18251 >Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? > sure is ethyl alcohol " Everclear " works real good Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives in bear country Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:49:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611204953.23074.00002008@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18252 Actually today I viewed a video that showed the setting up and operation of an electric fence. At the end of the video it showed three examples of bears approaching the apiary. In each case the bears bit the bacon and promptly took off in a flash. It was obvious the bears did not like it. The fence does require maintenance. I'm sure if there was no bacon there the bear would go right through the fence. Probably the bacon alone on the fence is enough to attract the bears without the apiary being there. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:49:54 GMT References: <7jrr77$ok7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611204954.23074.00002009@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18253 , "Mary Fisher" writes: >Bill Bielby, then County Bee Adviser in West Yorkshire, wrote the book (home honey production) and >invented the catenary hive. He kept some bees in them and I took my first >exam using one with him as my examiner. I passed with flying colours but not >because of the hive, I wouldn't advise using one. Condition have to be ideal >to manipulate the frames. I sure enjoyed reading his book. Through this newsgroup I found one other person who built a catenary hive for his own use.. Al From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Message-ID: References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.113 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 929149632 216.100.28.113 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:07:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:07:12 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:11:40 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18254 I think Jim Satterfield of U of G recommends that. In article <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, tceisele@mtu.edu says... > As far as putting nucs in top bar hives, is there any particular reason > why the TBH can't be made so that a Langstroth frame will fit in, at least > temporarily? > > From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 02:35:29 GMT References: <19990610221723.09002.00000381@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611223529.01328.00000381@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18255 Aren't there five banded Italians also or is that just one of my many bee dreams? Laura From allend@internode.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: nucs or packages Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:40:33 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 79 Message-ID: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> References: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18256 > Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most > recommended for starters? There are a number of interesting reasons: The Producer: Packages are available consistently and reliably in large quantities nationally and internationally. Nucs are available mostly locally, in limited supply and on a custom 'arranged' basis. They are harder to produce consistently and on time, heavier, and trickier to ship in small numbers. A nuc supplier that gears up to produce quantity will run out of drawn comb quickly, unless combs are exchanged, in which case some time consuming and alienating haggling is required on every transaction, and brood diseases and/or government inspections may be a problem. This limits the potential for the nuc business to expand compared to package businesses. The Marketplace: It is easier for the recipient to judge the quality of a nuc than a package; thus transactions are again less simple, since nucs are not well standardized. It is much more obvious if you are being 'burned' buying nucs than packages. This fact makes selling nucs more difficult. With nucs, obvious immediate failure is clearly the seller's fault most of the time, while with packages, it is generally harder and takes longer to spot failure. Either nucs are good on arrival and thrive, or they are poor on arrival and fail. The buyer does not have to do much of anything with them. With package bees, the buyer's equipment, handling and feeding is involved. It takes time for problems to show, and it is easy to blame the buyer. Even with immediate failure -- other than a package arriving full of dead bees -- the buyer is likely to take at least some of the blame. Government: Regulatory people and extension people have historically been more concerned about spread of brood diseases than the risk of failure by those beginning beekeeping, and consider packages safer from that perspective. Sale of used equipment has been carefully regulated and somewhat disparaged in many jurisdictions. The Bee Press: The bee press is largely sponsored by the bee equipment suppliers' and bee suppliers' advertising dollars. Both are fairly big, standardised and profitable businesses compared to the nuc businesses and second-hand sales, which are mostly local and ad hoc. The former run large regular national and international display ads and the latter run sporadic little local classifieds -- if they even advertise at all. It's not entirely a co-incidence that the bee press, which is national or international in scope and which -- when not the house organ for a bee supply manufacturer -- needs advertising revenue to survive, has historically has always tended to favour starting with foundation, new wood and packages, not nucs and used equipment. Homo Sapiens: "New' has always tended to be considered better than used in everything people buy. Consumerism demands that new products replace old as quickly as possible to generate economic activity. Conservation movements -- at times other than in wartime -- have turned out to be fads and not had wide followings. Although people have always paid lip service and made token efforts to sort garbage, etc. they still will choose new over old every time -- all other things being equal. People tend to have a built-in bias against buying things that have been used by others. Beekeeping equipment is unusual in that 'used' is better than 'new' in most cases, so those who are not fully immersed in beekeeping naturally make the wrong choice every time. As I see it anyhow. allen From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 02:21:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611222151.01328.00000371@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18257 >Hell, what did I step into this time... What I MEANT was... who ever said >he would get fined apparently didn't want to say where he's located. I'm >curious if this kind of law exists in the US. > Don't worry about it. Jajwuth is a bit of an arse. I'd rather go to the dentist than try to converse with him. Oh Ya........He is in Canada. Laura From tjwestern@bigpond.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> From: Terry Western X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:29:14 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.226.251 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 929100405 139.134.226.251 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:26:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:26:45 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18258 A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one remind us where to find it? From shurik166@softhome.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Shu2217" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for sale! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:14:26 +0400 Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jtito$p2s$1@uk25.supernews.com> X-Trace: 929189624 7RLHQ.0RS76A5C310 uk25.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:96 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18259 I'm has unlimited amount of natural honey!!! I'm from Russia Anybody please talk me - where (at Europe) I can sale my Honey??? or who can buy it! I also want to know - how price of Honey at in a different countries!? My e-mail is shurik166@softhome.net please answer anybody!!! Shurik (sorry for bad English) From malley@netdoor.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How can I search the Archives? Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:03:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.135 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 929102084 208.137.149.135 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:54:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:54:44 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18260 I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please tell me were it is located and how to search it. Thanks for your help. Just A NewBee Robert From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 12:37:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611083711.22540.00002058@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18261 (Peter Amschel) writes: >Did you mean to say: "...hive with frame but no foundation?" > > > > >In article <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com >says... >> Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a >> langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. >> >> >> I believe catenary hive has a full reinforced foundation suspended from top bar Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 12:37:12 GMT References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18262 what is the approximate price differential between nucs and packages? I assume that with a top bar hive the only way to go is with package bees since nucs are aimed more at the langstroth market.. Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 11:36:56 GMT References: <8zq83.2078$EU.126287@monger.newsread.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990612073656.25603.00001061@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18263 >I've always used denatured but I'll have to try Everclear as I could always >put a little in my grapefruit juice. > I usually forget something, this time was no different. Most will remember my note on the use of boiling Lye water used to clean wooden ware. This works very well, removes anything, leaves the wooden frames bright and looking just like new. I have found that it will also run the propolis out of cracks and crevases, making it very easy to see if any re gluing is necessary as in the case of old used boxes. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From griffes@my-deja.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia '99 Press Release #9 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:00:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 89 Message-ID: <7jtel9$835$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 12 11:00:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18264 Dear Friends of Bees!     below and attached you will find the most recent press release relating to Apimondia'99.  If you think these presentations sound interesting, check out the website .  The breadth of topics is exceptional.     Please forward this message on to everyone you can think of.  No one should miss this congress!  It is truly a once-in-a-lifetime event.                                         Gard Otis                                         University of Guelph                                         Ontario, Canada                                         Apimondia Promotion Chair                                         gotis@evbhort.uoguelph.ca ******************************************************************** Press Release #9: Apimondia'99 *************************************************** Apimondia'99 Program Highlights Have you ever dreamt of the perfect beekeeping congress? Hundreds of high quality presentations, a huge trade show, held in a beautiful location?  Apimondia'99 is all that and more! The program has been finalized now, and will be excellent! Approximately 450 papers have been accepted for presentation by beekeepers and researchers from throughout the world.  The summaries that follow provide a "taste" of what to expect at thecongress.      When Denis Anderson (Australia) began sequencing DNA      from Varroa mites, he never would have predicted that      "Varroa jacobsoni" is actually a complex of 5 different      species of mites!  In his presentation, Denis will explain      that "Varroa jacobsoni" is harmless to honey bees.  The      new name of the Varroa mite that causes damage to Apis      mellifera worldwide will be unveiled at the congress!      Brother Adam's Buckfast Bee has gained acceptance      throughout the world as a gentle, productive bee strain.      Buckfast breeder Erik Osterlund (Sweden) will describe      his breeding methods, including progress through 1999 in      developing a varroa-tolerant bee based on crosses with      high elevation African bees.      The prairie provinces of Canada are famous for large      crops of white honey.  The short growing season demands      beekeeping efficiency.  For example, Dave Tegart      (Alberta) has incorporated hive splitting and migration to      southern British Columbia as ways to stay ahead of      parasitic mites and reduce costs.  Terry Fehr (Manitoba)      will describe ways to be maximally efficient in the beeyard,      thereby managing time as a resource.  Other successful      beekeepers will discuss how they make their operations     profitable.      How much is pollination worth to fruit and vegetable      growers?  Nelson Pomeroy (New Zealand) has data for      bumble bees: $1 spent on bees translates into $100 in      tomatoes!  The factory-style indoor production units for      the bees he will describe have no parallel in other parts of      the bee industry.      Beekeepers often rent hives for cranberry pollination.  Jim      Cane (USA) has discovered that honey bees are good      pollinators of cranberries, but foragers that specialize on      pollen collection are much more effective pollinators than      nectar foragers.  He will present the first documented      evidence that bees selectively bred to hoard more pollen      are more efficient pollinators.      Bob Kime (USA) has developed techniques of      ultrafiltration of honey to remove the proteins that cause      serious problems for mead-makers.  Using ultrafiltered      honey eliminates cloudiness and the need for lengthy aging      of mead.  He looks forward to explaining "the first      breakthrough in mead making in thousands of years!"      Beekeeping can help to improve the lives of the poorest      people in developing countries.  After Nicola Bradbear      (UK) gives an overview of the value of beekeeping in      development, speakers from beekeeping projects world-wide will present their personal experiences. If these sound interesting, check the program at the website or the second circular to see the diversity of information to be presented at Apimondia'99.  No aspects of bees and beekeeping will be overlooked.  Beekeepers cannot afford to miss this congress!  The information that will be presented will translate into improved bee management and profitability. Apimondia'99 will take place in V