Article 23366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:06:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <89j13h$g0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:06:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23366 In article <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com>, "William Cantrell" wrote: > Is there anyone on the NG who uses screen hive bottoms in an area with where > Fire Ants are located? > If so, do the ants bother your bees? > > William > North GA Mtns. > > We're in NW Florida and have plenty of fire ants. Last year we started with two hives and I placed them on supports made out of steel pipes. I coated the pipes with vaseline and/or automobile grease and never had a problem with fire ants. The ants do come and carry away dead bees from the ground in front of the hives but have never tried to go into the hives. Most of the winter we feed syrup in entrance feeders and try to keep the holes small enough so that none spills on the ground. We modified the screen bottoms so we can slide a piece of plywood out from the back of the hive and see what is on it. No fire ants. So far we've only found one dead Varroa mite, one dead wax moth, and two live wax moths. Early this year I changed the support to a 6 x 6 treated post sitting on concrete blocks because the pipes were not steady enough. If we begin to see fire ants getting in the hives, we'll go back to smearing grease on the supports. Sincerely, Herb (Vasak@aol.com) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:44:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 99 Message-ID: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38b93758.251409136@news1.radix.net> <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:44:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.76 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23367 In article <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com>, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >Humm, I wonder if Vidor TX doesn't have a libray or is he just too > >lazy to use it? > > > >Greg the beekeep > > > > It sure does greg. And I have read every book on bees in it along with all of > the other local cities. It was the very first thing I did when I got involved > in beekeeping. Lazy... > Ha...that does give me a good laugh. How many other two man teams do you know > that maintain 3700 hives and produce between 500 ,000 and 600,000 pounds of > honey a year with the help of a few high school kids in the summer. Thats my > day job. After I'm through there I run an additional 150 hives on my own. On > the weekends I have taken to galavanting around the state at trade days to seek > a decent price for my bee products and in doing so also spread the wonder of > bees to many people. I have even visited several major French beekeepers in > search of knowledge. I got more information from them than anyone else and I > don't even speak the language. > > Lazy is not the word I would choose to describe my self. > > I have recently started pollen and propolis collections. I have built up a > large consumer base for my pollen. My questions are simple and can't readily be > answered by a book. > > 1. Does anyone else collect pollen. If so what are your daily averages per > hive. > > 2. Does anyone else collect propolis? If so how much do you average per hive. > > 3. Does anyone have any recipes for beeswax polishes or creams. > > In all my quests for knowledge I have accepted the fact that not everything is > found in a book...greg. The best knowledge is found in the heads of > experimentors and old timers and that is what I'm looking for. > > I seem to remember you making a comment the other day that now that it is warm > we can get back to keeping bees. Well good beekeeping is year round. We see our > bees at least once a month sometimes twice. Forgive me if that comment was not > yours, but I seem to associate it with your name. > > Before you judge a man you need to spend a day in his boots. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > Hi, I did find an internet site which listed one handcream recipe. It is the one from the book by Elaine White. Here it is: Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. This is a nice cream, but, the lanolin really makes it smell like a barnyard. I definitely use the fragrant oil (I use almond) to cut the smell of the lanolin. Give it a try !! Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23368 Hello Everyone Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. Thanks Mike Smith Article 23369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Only you can prevent... Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:33:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302173359.01270.00002133@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23369 From the Ottawa Citizen. This year I bought a metal pail that I can put my smoker in to cool off, though i do like the new Merrill toolbox device that is listed in the new Brushy Mountain Bee Farm catalog. March 2, 2000, Thursday, FINAL HEADLINE: Farmers blamed for massive forest fires DATELINE: ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia -- Police have detained nearly 150 farmers for allegedly starting fires that have destroyed more than 34,600 hectares of forest in southern Ethiopia, a newspaper said yesterday. The farmers failed to put out the fires they had lit to smoke out bees from their hives and collect honey, the Ethiopian Herald quoted police as saying. No charges against the farmers have been filed, the newspaper said. About 9,000 people have been mobilized to fight the fires, which broke out 18 days ago and were still raging out of control, the paper quoted Kasso Morka, an Agriculture Ministry official, as saying. ''It will take at least 10 years to replace the forest destroyed by the fire,'' Mr. Morka said. Article 23370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for Sale for Real . Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:07:55 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 92 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23370 Here it is contact me for prices.I shall be away from tommorrow untill next Tuesday or just have a good read of the titles.How many have you read? All The Best Mike Smith Beekeeping Book List. 1. Br.Adam.Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey.1974? 2. Br.Adam.In Search of the Best Strains of Bees.1982? 3. D.V.Alfold.Bumblebees.d.w.1975. 4. D.V.Alford.d.w.The Life of the Bumblebee.1978. 5. E.R.Bent.Swarm Control Survey. d.w.1946. 6. A.Betts. The Diseases of Bees.Paperback .No date 7. L.Bill. For The Love of Bees.*** Signed by Br.Adam.1989 8. R.Brown.d.w.Beeswax.1981 9. C.G.Butler. d.w.The World of the Honeybee.1954. 10. G.E.Carter. Bees and Honey.1948. 11. D'Arcy Chapman.The Honeybee and Her Master. 1936. 12. K.K. Clark. Beekeeping. Paperback.1951. 13..E Crane.d.w. A Book of Honey.1980. 14. H.A.Dade. Anatomy and Dissection of the Honey Bee.d.w.1977. 15. A.S.C. Deans.d.w. Beekeeping Techniques. 1963. 16. T.Edwardes. Beekeeping for All. 1941. 17. J. Francon. The Mind of The Bees. Ex Lib. 1939. 18. J.B.Free. Honeybee Biology.Paperback.1982? 19. J.B. Free. Honeybees. 1978. 20. J.B.Free.The Social Organization of Honeybees.Paperback. 1977. 21. G.R.Gayre. Wassail! in Mazers of Mead.1948. Rebound upside down must have been potent! 22. W Herrod-Hempsall.The Beekeepers Guide.Paperback.1944. 23. W.Herrod-Hempsall.Bee Produce.1948. 24. T Hooper.Guide to Bees and Honey.d.w.1983. 25. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1979. 26. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1949? 27. O.H.Latter.Bees and Wasps. 1913. 28. W.Longgood.The Queen Must Die.Paperback.1985. 29. M.Maeterlink.The Life of the Bee. 1948. 30. H.Mace. Bees Flowers and Fruit. d.w.1949. 31. H.Mace. Some Other Bees. No date. 32. H Mace.The Complete Handbook of Beekeeping.d.w.1976. 33. H.Mace. Modern Beekeeping. 1933. 34. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.d.w.1949? 35. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.1946. 36. R.O.B.Manley.Beekeeping in Britain.d.w.1949. 37. R.O.B, Manley.Honey Production in the British Isles.d.w.1949? 38. O.Meyer. Microscopy on a Shoestring. 1984. 39. R.Morse and T.Hooper.The Illustrated Encylopedia of Beekeeping. d.w.1985. 40. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1980. 41. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1972. 42. J.R. Ratcliff. Bee-keepers Folly. 1949. Page 2. 43. R.Sawyer. Honey Identification. 1988. 44. A.N.Schofield.d.w.Teach Yourself Beekeeping.1943. 45. A. Scott. A Murmur of Bees. 1980. 46. F.W.L.Sladen. Queen Rearing in England.Paperback. 1982. 47. L.E. Snelgrove. Swarming:It's Control and Prevention.1939. 48. L.E. Snelgrove. The Introduction of Queen Bees.2 copies.1948. 49. L.E. Snelgrove.Queen Rearing.1966. 50. R Taylor.The Joys of Beekeeping.d.w.1974. 51. J.Tinsley.Beekeeping Up To Date. 1945. 52. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees. Paperback. 1953. 53. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees.d.w. 1954. 54. K.Von Frisch.Bees:Their Vision,Chemical Senses,and Language.d.w. 1983. 55. Virgil. The Eclogues:The Georgics.Paperback. 1983. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman.2 copies. Paperback 1978. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman. d.w. 1945. 57. H.J.Wadey. The Behavior of Bees. d.w. 1948. 58. E.B. Wedmore. A Manual of Beekeeping.1945. *** Signed by the Author to H. J. Wadey. 59. E.B. Wedmore.d.w. A Manual of Beekeeping. 1979. 60. K.Williams.The Bee Box Book.1984. Article 23371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "No Bees, No Peace" Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:49:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23371 Perhaps there's some tactics here that might be useful for beekeepers here in America on Capitol Hill. I especially like the tactic of blocking roads with empty beehives. Who wants to walk up to a beehive and try to figure out if there are bees in it or not? (Except of course a beekeeper). SUNDAY TELEGRAPH(LONDON) HEADLINE: Beekeepers threaten holy war over thefts BYLINE: By Tim Gross THE humble bee has become the latest irritant in the Middle East peace negotiations as Holy Land beekeepers protest about a big increase in thefts of hives. In what is being called the Beekeepers' Revolt, Israeli apiarists have mounted noisy demonstrations at West Bank checkpoints to demand that the authorities on both sides clamp down on thefts by Palestinians. Wearing their white protective overalls, netting masks and gloves, protesters have held up placards reading, "No bees - no peace", and "Israel, land of milk and honey", with the word "honey" crossed out. They are now threatening to put a sting into their protests by releasing swarms of bees at the crossing points if their calls go unheeded. "We're talking about millions of bees worth hundreds of thousands of shekels," said one beekeeper, Levi Schneerson, who has lost half his hives in recent months. "Our livelihoods are at stake. If this goes on, I won't be able to feed my family." Beehives are not difficult to steal: they can fit easily into a car and be hidden from sight. About 2,600 of Israel's 80,000 hives were stolen last year, and 80 per cent of those ended up in the West Bank, according to Israeli officials. "There is a new mafia trade in bees," said Shachar Teneh, the head of the Israel Beekeepers' Association. The issue is particularly sensitive given the important role that bees and honey have played in Jewish history. According to the Bible, God told the Israelites that he would bring them to a land "flowing with milk and honey". Jewish tradition has it that Samson, the tribal leader responsible for defeating the Philistines, killed a lion and returned a few days later to find that a swarm of bees had settled in its mouth. His remark, "Out of the strength came forth sweetness", is still used as an idiom by many Israelis. The importance of the bee is no less symbolic for the Palestinians: a whole chapter of the Koran is devoted to the insect. "Honey is a holy product of the Holy Land," said Osman Arafat, a leading West Bank apiarist. "There is no such thing as a Palestinian or Israeli bee. They fly freely over checkpoints - linking us through nature." Israelis say that bees are not the only possessions to be purloined in the past few years since the Jewish state began handing back occupied territory. Other property - particularly cars - has been stolen, and the owners complain that Palestinian police have done little to stop the rising tide, and that, sometimes, the officers have themselves been involved. Past Palestinian-Israeli agreements are supposed to contain measures for combating crime. But Palestinian officials have said that they want fresh concessions on other fronts in return for more co-operation in this area. When beekeepers complained this month to Hekmet Zaid, the Palestinian agriculture minister, he told them that he would deal with the problem only if their authorities agreed to allow Palestinian strawberries to be sold in Israel. The Israelis say this is not possible because the Palestinians use pesticides banned in the Jewish state. Shaul Yarkoni, a 54-year-old beekeeper from a collective farm near Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv, said he hoped that others working in agriculture would join the Beekeepers' Revolt. "We're calling on the cattlemen, the chicken raisers and the orchard owners to come out with us," he said. So far, the beekeepers have blocked roads near checkpoints with burning tyres and empty beehives. But if the authorities do not act, they are threatening to bring full hives to their demonstrations, and release thousands of bees. Border guards and the many people who regularly use the crossing points shudder at the prospect. "Everyone will scatter, except us," said Mr Yarkoni. Article 23372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: jones@massed.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rendering propolis? Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:29:37 +1200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Ie8r/MVb13gxI0OWSXX5fho33KDgv5YKFSF1ff4n3Fo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2000 00:30:54 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23372 Is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected propolis? Steve J. Article 23373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Amy Moye" Subject: WBC, National Hives Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:30:56 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust67.tnt1.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.25.239.67 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa04 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23373 I have read about "WBC" and "National" hives on UK websites. Does anyone know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. I might want to purchase or build a few, but do not know much about them. Anyone have any experience? Pros / Cons? Article 23374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering propolis? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:28:57 GMT References: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302222857.15368.00000697@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23374 >is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected >propolis? > >Steve J. Hi Steve The only way I have found is to collect clean propolis...not the stuff you scrape off your frames and boxes (these contain wood, grass etc.) You should use a propolis trap or you can make your own by using window screen. Once its full take the trap and freeze it. This will make the propolis brittle and it will fall off when you bang it. While its brittle you can use a grinder or mortar and pestle method to powder it. Then you can mix in Corn starch or carob powder to keep it that way. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:39:24 GMT References: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302223924.15368.00000701@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23375 >I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy >them all for his town library. > >Greg the beekeep > Or since Greg is the Big Commercial Beekeep... He might want them to donate to our backward, long suffering town library. Thank you so much for your altruistic thought. lots of love;) (country bumpkin style) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23376 >Robert; > >Have you looked at Andy's Book > > ( Andy Passed Away about a year ago) at > Thanks Dan My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed away. Wish I could have known him. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:39:09 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38bf3ed1.905926@news.tco.net> References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23377 On 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is >filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I >could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed >away. Wish I could have known him. Robert; Do a search on Bee-line using his name and you will have days of reading and glean a lot about bees and other things. Dan Article 23378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:43:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.54.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 952058631 24.67.54.247 (Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23378 I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special techniques to split the pkg into two hives? I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 04:02:05 GMT References: <20000302140835.01313.00000134@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302230205.15368.00000709@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23379 >I think if you use 5 mesh screen in the pollen trap you starve the bees >But 7 mesh lets about 1/2 get through. >Can't find where I saw it referenced but it stuck in my memory > > I've been experimenting and I've found that my reconditioned pollen traps do let about 50% through. I bought some plastic pollen trap sheets overseas and the perforations are so small the bee can barely make it through. I've decided not to use those...unless I just really have to fill a rush order. Thanks for the feedback Tom. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.110 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead hives Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:59:51 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38B41207.3678BA19@digizen.net> References: <38B34F46.8F00A631@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951324440 66494 209.194.78.12 (23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23380 I also had my first starvation death this year (in a hive I thought had sufficient stores). Is it necessary to remove each dead bee from each cell... or can you put them on another colony and let them "bring out your dead" ? Chad Howell wrote: > Today I checked on my hives and found three dead ones. What is puzzling > to me is that it looks like starvation. The middle frames of two bodies > were eaten up the middle about 20 cells wide and the rest of the frame > wasn't touched along with the other 5 frames. I found bees head first in > cells. I guess my question is, can I install packages into those hives > and let them feed off the honey left in them. The honey isn't fit for > consumption due to medications given in the fall. Thanks for any > insight. Today was a very sad day for me. I mourn the loss of three fine > colonies. > Chad Howell Article 23381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B98C6A.5379C3BB@cybertours.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:43:22 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS Message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Trace: 27 Feb 2000 15:34:06 -0500, 209.222.109.123 Lines: 19 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.123 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23381 Greetings! The Presidents EAS 2000 newsletter is located here: http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/pres.eas2000.htm Other events are located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/events.html -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid smoker Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:34:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23382 has anybody tried that stuff. i definitely want to try it. my family complain the shed smells like smoke, with the reg. smoker, and i have had a time finding decent fuel. i only have one hive right now, so it should last a decent time. how much does it cost, anyway? Article 23383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:12:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951343298 nnrp-06:18071 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23383 In article <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > I've only just purchased it and don't know what the drawbacks, if any, are. >Any European or Canadian beekeeps out there have any comment on the use of this >product? Yes. Very happy with it. As you say, if you are an organic grower, you'll be used to it as a means of dealing with cabbage white butterfly larvae and the like. I believe the organism is from the soil. It is very easy to use. It stores well. It can be bought over here (UK) in large containers as well as small. I have had colleagues deride the use of pdcb on the grounds that even food manufacturers have stopped using it! However, if it must be used, it is volatile. I believe it is supposed to deter not kill. -- James Kilty Article 23384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B45FBC.FF1440E3@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:24:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951344675 24.92.236.168 (Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23384 I'd never use PDB with any combs of honey, even if (or especially if) they are going back to the bees later. P-U! You don't mention where you are, but if you are in a place where it is winter now, and cold outside, just stack the supers outside with a lid on top, and any holes screened against mice. That is the easiest and best protection if any honey/pollen are present. An alternative would be to store the supers, same way, in an UNheated building, such as a garage or shed, until you are ready to re-stock them in spring. Either of these situations will do away with _any_ need for moth repellents, as long as the nights remain cold, and as long as you get some bees back into the equipment before mid-Spring, when outside temperatures become balmy enough for wax moths activity. Here in NY I frequently stored brood combs outside like that, and from what I recall, wax moth damage doesn't become noticeable til mid to late May. So -- if you're in the midst of winter cold, you'll be able to have new bees installed well before wax moths get a chance to cause damage. Skip the moth crystals. Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: liquid smoker Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:57:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-cb06eM6yGzC+wsGMdiZnwuQP6T+giuUIuetl9vGsVUj6w/N0kDPxDvK4G0dFgaiBGLjWjrVhZYKtjT3!LWJJKYrNs8PcZyKoYFvxOgVYnr8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:58:46 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23385 Hi Pete...Standard stuff for smokers here in Western Washington is "gunny-sacks" from the feed store....Spud sacks work alright, too, but are looser weave and burn up pretty fast. "DM" Port Angeles, WA. Article 23386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen question Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:06:19 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <891p7c$9j3$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347244 9827 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23386 I live in central missouri, Just went out and checked on the hives , and found bees coming in loaded with pollen. What a surprise! I havent seen anything blooming yet. Maples are close. Could this be leftovers from the fall flowers? preacher Article 23387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost queen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:16 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <891ovq$ap9$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347002 11049 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23387 Hey folks, I have a hive without a queen. And I want to add it to another hive with a queen. Which way do I put it on. On top or bottom . thanks. Article 23388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B44113.95C71AB5@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:20:35 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's started!!! References: <38b1e451.2635740@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn51.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 951354751 180 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23388 Mine too, I have two large Maples in front yard, I walked past and had to stop and look, the bee's were working them so much it sounded like a swarm. These Buckfast bee's have already exploded!! L.E.G. honeybs@radix.net wrote: > The bees were bringing in pollen today. Maple and something else, > maybe skunk cabbage. All hell is getting ready to break loose. We > can get out of the house and back to beekeeping again! > > Greg the beekeep Article 23389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> <38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.53.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951359845 12.72.53.75 (Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23389 Absolutely! They will want to swarm just before the flow. If they are successful, you will have wasted some good sugar. Stimulative feeding will force you to become a better beekeeper or an annoyance to your neighbors. You call it early, I call it late. I start Feb 1, otherwise I get next to nothing from the citrus. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net... > George, Question#1 Feeding syrup this early in the year, will it stimulate the > swarming urge? > L.E.G. > Article 23390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:03:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <89o9mr$9ts$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 03 12:03:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.23 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23390 That's a lot of bees! I've never heard of that procedure but don't see any problem with just dividing the bees and introducing each queen in the usual way. But that's more bees than necessary I think. At the end of March 1999 we received a 4 pound package from Wilbanks and a 3 pound package from Andy Webb. During the first month the Wilbanks bees got right to work while the Alabama bees just sat around on the porch drinking syrup ( and telling jokes I suppose). But in September we got more honey from Webb's bees and this spring there are a lot more bees in the Alabama hive. Andy Webb 334-829-6183 Calvert Apiaries #14 Widow's Lane PO Box 36 Hwy 43 Calvert, AL 36513 Wilbanks Apiaries, Inc. PO Box 12 Claxton, GA 30417 812-739-4820 In article , "stacker" wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning glassware Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:52:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38b49c84.23659005@news.ncweb.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23391 What is the best/easiest way to remove beeswax from glassware and stainless steel when they have cooled? I have a glass Dutch oven that I use to melt wax cappings with and I am looking for an easy way to clean it. I also use a few wax molds that I need to clean. Thank you for the help. Pat Article 23392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:37:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38BFC01D.DE7B3256@fuse.net> References: Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23392 Here in the U.S., the package bees are shook from a hive into the package the morning they are to be shipped. The queen is placed in a queen cage and then the cage is placed into the package. The queen cage has candy in the ends and also includes a few worker bees as attendants to the queen. The bees and the queens come from different 'hives' and are not natural. So any further splitting you would do would be just measuring and splitting the workers, then placing a queen cage into each of your new hives. Judy in Kentucky, USA stacker wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost queen Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 29 Feb 2000 05:05:29 GMT References: <20000227233230.03653.00001984@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000229000529.12648.00000683@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23393 > If it's 2 hives you're uniting and they both have queens, put the one on >top >that you want to survive. We do this all the time during april and may with splits that just don't build up enough. Newspaper is the best idea. it keeps the bees apart long enough that they all start smelling the same and both hives usaully accept each other. During this time of year I would suggest using a mixture of syrup and vanilla extract. Pour it all over both sets of bees and let them lick each other clean. By the time the finish licking and the vanilla smell dissipates you have a single hive. Wether they accept both queens is up to the bees. If they want both they will keep them apart. (usually is the case) if not they might swarm or of course kill each other. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: liquid smoker Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:38:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38BA5E1C.B315A4E6@usol.com> References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23394 thanks for the advice! Article 23395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:46:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BA601A.AC2C2E2E@usol.com> References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23395 sorry, i live in detroit michigan, and they had one deep body full of honey, i was able to feed all the way into november, and i did put one batch of sugar candy in the hive back in jan. they have done one hell of a spring cleaning, there is big pile of dead bees in front of the hive, havent looked in it yet. will do it tomorrow. thanks for all the groovy responses. Article 23396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in your garden Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:53:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BA61A8.8C53CFB6@usol.com> References: <87sfl2$gd0$1@news.beeb.net> <0146ce5a.21b28076@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23396 i live in big city, my yard is four lots. my hive is in a cage fence, but everyone can see the hive, folks dont seem to give a rats ass, and they all love the honey i gave them. i am going to try to cover it better this year, however. Article 23397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jerry Ameel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Winter Hive Kill Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.61.61 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 951819250 209.57.61.61 (Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:14:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23397 Good News! 27 colonies, 0 dead. With a nice break in winter and temperatures in the 50's - 70's we decided we better check our girls and throw on some feed. The day before we went out a friend of ours who manages 500+ colonies told us he experienced a 70 - 80% winter kill. Much to our surprise, all our colonies are very strong and 5 -6 that are overflowing ( good candidates for spring split) Any others in Michigan experiencing winter kills like our friend?? Jake Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ "Steve Chapin" wrote in message news:schapin-0902001443060001@h000502d05653.ne.mediaone.net... > I opened up my hive today and found that it was dead. Here is the history > of the hive: > > Hive was created from a package of Buckfast bees last April. It is > located in Northeastern MA. Initially the hive was fed with syrup and > fumadil. All summer and early fall, the hive was extremely strong. It > produced 4 supers of honey (about 125 lbs.) After I removed the supers, > the remaining two hive bodies weighed about 140 lbs. > > In the fall, after the honey was off, I used Apistan for about 45 days. > At the same time, I added a Terramycin patty. The last time I saw bee > activity was in beginning of Nov, when I removed the Apistan strips. > > I opened the hive today as it is warm (40 degrees) and found a clump of > dead bees on the top of the second hive body. I expected to find the bees > in a clump, but they seemed to be scattered over the hive. One frame had > many bees with their heads down in the comb, looking like they were eating > honey. There was still a lot of honey in that hive body, as it weighed > about 40-50 lbs. I pulled 5 frames and found much the same; lots of honey > and some bees head down in the comb. > > The lower hive body had less honey as it was mostly empty brood cells. > When I removed the top hive body, I found more dead bees on the top of the > frames. There was also a fine light colored powder. I looked much like > fine sawdust. It was the heaviest on the center frames. > > The winter here was cold, with many days below zero, with a wind. The > hive consisted of two hive bodies, an inner cover (inverted so the side > cutout acted as a vent), then a empty super with fiberglass insulation and > finally the top cover. There is an entrance reducer, 3/4 inch opening > exposed and facing upward. I never used a queen excluder on the hive. > > The bees and comb appeared to be intact, no evidence of predation. > > So, my question is, What happened?? > > Cheers > Steve Chapin Article 23398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees in Comb Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:48:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000303184821.02482.00000222@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23398 My friend recently gave me a old hive that had died out during the winter. He asked me to clean it and help catch a swarm to replish the died bees. My questio is How do I get the dead bees that are stuck in the comb?? There are over 300-400 bees in 5-6 frames with their heads stuck in the comb. All died out beacuse of lack of honey, they starved to death. I am worried about the smell of dead bees may make to hard for a swarm to enter the old hive. Any answers will be deeply appreciated. Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 23399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B68B69.6E56229@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Larvin 3.2 & bees References: <20000211194500.27087.00002910@ng-fm1.aol.com> <20000225080634.08881.00001506@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp08.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:02:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23399 I had an experience this winter with exactly that. The improper widespread aerial spraying in eastern NC this Oct to wipeout the nonexistent encephalitis epidemic 2 weeks before freezing temperatures killed the mosquitos naturally, apparently weakened very strong and well fed colonies. They had been treated (Apistan) despite minimal mite drops. I treated them because I had an impending major operation and would not be able to tend them for 4 months or so. They had Crisco patties placed as well as menthol last September. Plenty of food, pollen and honey. Honey left in accessible places in the colony. No sign of dysentery, no foulbrood, no sign of robbing, no poor condition equipment or comb, no sign of external animals, small clusters on combs that appear as if they froze to death due to too small clusters. Requeened last year from several different major breeders of different races (testing purposes). Queens in the cluster. No sign of mites on the bees. 6 colonies survived out of 20 in yards separated by 40 miles. It appeared just as a dwindling from mites but with proper treatments in colonies that have no history of resistance and near 0 mite drops when tested last week. The only thing I can conclude is that is how the pesticide spraying played itself out. The spraying was done in mid October warm sunny afternoons. Probably not a single mosquito out flying. But my bees certainly were. Thom JMitc1014 wrote: > > < sprayed, but I'm not sure if it might not be a better idea to have my bee's in > the farmer's fields.>> > > I talked to a hobbyist with one hive about a mile south of the farmer's > field where the Larvin is being sprayed. She says she used to pull as much as > 300 pounds off this one hive, but starting about three years ago, the hive > started dying off in the summertime and early fall. "The bees would just > disappear," she said. The remaining ones would crawl around and look weak. > Coincidentally, the leases on farmed fields owned by the nearby town comes > up every 5 years, and 3 years ago was about the last time all the fields had > their leases renewed, or new farmers took over. I am located in Eastern Mass. > She said the bee inspector had come out and blamed mites, saying that there > were some hives from Mexico brought into the area with some really bad mites. > Does what she describe sound like a pesticide kill? Is it possible that when > people talk about "disappearing bees" and mites, they are really encountering a > pesticide hit? > John Article 23400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:03:38 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Substitute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn52.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 952134912 13670 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23400 Does anyone have any info on using pollen subs... Pros and cons, favorites, ect... 4of the6 oldtimers in the area use it (and I ) and all seem to do ok..The 2 that do not use it don't talk too much, so it is hard to drag out info from them. They may use something and just don't say. Thanks, L.E.G. Article 23401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news.trentu.ca!news From: APATRY Subject: The big move Sender: news@news.trentu.ca (News System) Message-ID: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:57:27 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: net129-121-dyn.flemingc.on.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) Organization: Sir Sandford Fleming College Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23401 Hello again,

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them
2. close off the hive entrance

the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.

Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?

Thanks,

Andre
  Article 23402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952138674 63.17.126.77 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23402 Hello all. My dad tells me my bees are dead. I keep a hive at his house and could not get out there this winter. I was planning on going out this weekend but just got a call that the hive is dead. I haven't seen them yet but I am still going out to look this Sunday. My father said there are dead bees in the bottom of the hive and no life what so ever inside. I may have cuased this by accident. When medicating last fall I forgot to take out the bag of menthol (he found it inside where I placed it). Could this have caused the demise of the hive? I haven't taken it apart yet so do not know if there are dead brood in the frames or if there is any honey left in there. I will post when I find out. Also, the hive is in eastern PA and we had a pretty mild winter. Still scratching my head as to what went wrong. Not happy. Gabe Article 23403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!pao.uu.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38BAA104.D9ED0C4C@sonic.net> From: "Michael R. Cirivello" Organization: SiteRise.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FA: 1871 Beehive Patent -- not a reproduction! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.165.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 951754994 209.204.165.201 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23403 For Auction through Ebay: An 1871 certified copy of a beehive patent awarded to Silas Strens of Weston, OH. This is not a reproduction -- not a photocopy, but one of several certified copies made by the Patent Office at the time of issue. This piece is over 125 years old and comes mounted on archival backing, and professionally matted and ready for a 16x20 inch frame. This makes a great addition for the collector or hobbyist. For more detail, see: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270367761 -- Michael R. Cirivello cirelli@sonic.net Santa Rosa Junior College Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Librarian -- Internet Consultant-- Regular Guy Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view. Facts don't do what I want them to. --Talking Heads Crosseyed and Painless Article 23404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.124 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:15:27 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38BAE56E.4DEB8B78@digizen.net> References: <20000226193619.02785.00001690@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951771857 19100 209.194.78.12 (28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23404 Maybe your request was too broad. I have a couple of books on making things with beeswax.... but I can't quote the entire book to you. What sort of recipe would you like? Robert Williamson wrote: > So far in the past six months I have posted numerous requests for any > information on pollen, propolis, and any recipes involving beeswax. To date I > have gotten 0 replies. You would think that with all the subscribers to this > newsgroup there would be at least one person with some useful information. > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6A816.17B0ABEA@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:57:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951494263 24.92.236.131 (Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23405 APATRY wrote: > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? Sure. Order some packages or nucs to replace the dead colonies. Well...seriously, good luck. If they end up OK it will be fortunate. Let us all know how it goes -- if it works out OK after all, it will show that bees actually can be moved that far, and that way, during the winter. On bumpy or uneven terrain, take it s l o w; also when making any sharp turns. If the hives are right up against the cab, it should protect them some, from the wind-chill. Once they are at the new location, I would let them settle down overnight, before opening the entrances. Otherwise they are likely to rush out en masse, and many of them are apt to be promptly lost and unable to make it back to the hive. Hopefully you will get good weather on moving-day, that isn't too cold. good luck with the move J. Article 23406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:26:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38B6AD2C.9205C01E@mwci.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23406 When you say "close off the entrances" I hope you mean with screen. Remember the bees will run out of oxygen very quickly if the entrances are closed. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com APATRY wrote: > Hello again, > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? > > Thanks, > > Andre > Article 23407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 19:20:09 GMT References: <20000225122245.01261.00001073@ng-xe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225142009.01614.00000029@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23407 Did you do the matchstick test for a ropey sticky mess? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New television show/bees Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 04:49:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23408 On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... "Pollinators in Peril" Host: Peter Fonda Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native bees. — From a post on another NG. It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers in "Ulee's Gold", and the producers of this program will repeat the exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the imperiled pollinator movement "The Forgotten Pollinators" by Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): > *Speculates* that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? > Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar (native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). > Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that "native pollinators" in North America are native *everywhere* in North America — there are more than 55 species of bumblebees here. A “native pollinator” in the Northwest is an invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species in Massachusetts. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those areas of the world rival US output for some products. > Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey bee for outcompeting them—without mentioning that bumble bees were also imported to Australia several centuries ago. > Implies that "native pollinators" are more benign than honey bees. Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. > Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force "fearsome" and "overwhelming." > Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. A study of beekeepers in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (Chapter 11) shows the majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. > Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as managed or kept colonies are concerned. > Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee research to alternative pollinator research. Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this "fashion" seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the latest victim. The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 20:58:57 GMT References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23409 I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some washing soda added. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:04:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23410 On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" wrote: >Hello Everyone > Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. > Thanks Mike Smith > > I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy them all for his town library. Greg the beekeep Article 23411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6FD81.2B773FC9@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:09:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:09:31 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23411 Yeah but, I still never use something for wax unless it stays with a bee project. The thrift stores are too loaded with cheap stainless to bother with using a good pot, glass, bucket, what have you. Thom BeeCrofter wrote: > > I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some > washing soda added. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:26:35 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BEDC8B.20A8DF6D@uidaho.edu> References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-02.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 952032394 11977 129.101.6.228 (2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT To: Paul Petty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23412 I have stored boxes/frames loaded with honey in a chest freezer for up to three years. So ill effects that I can find. Just need a big empty freezer :-) Good lick matthew Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:50:01 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195001.01612.00000090@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23413 > >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:53:00 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195300.01612.00000093@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23414 >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina > > There's Rossman Apiaries they have rabetted cypress hives There's Brushy Mountan And Walter Kelley I have stuff from all three and no problems with service or anything. I think you are surrounded Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:18:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <896s7n$9qs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23415 I totally agree, shop till ya drop. So to speak, I have found spending just a little extra can get you some higher quality wood! Article 23416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@metalab.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: 4 Mar 2000 08:17:44 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <89r2dp$sh4@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: Reply-To: adamf@metalab.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu X-Trace: news2.isis.unc.edu 952175866 15671 152.2.22.14 (4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.isis.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23416 >On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" > wrote: > >>Hello Everyone >> Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >>attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. >> Thanks Mike Smith Oy! Yes this newsgroup is for beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Books about bees certainly may be sold here. In Usenet, posting attachments is usually not well received--you could post a description of the books and then have people email you for the list, or if you have web space, throw the attached list there with a URL to it. Thanks for asking. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Article 23417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:03:51 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:14:51 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 20 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23417 I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 km. APATRY wrote: > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > Andre > Article 23418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7D0FF.987B1604@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:11:27 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:22:27 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23418 Do you have a table saw? Bottoms, boxes, and covers can be made quite cheaply if you do. I just built 108 medium supers for $100. Used pine ends from a mill in the area. Bought the frames for $.52 @, plus the foundation. Outer covers cost about $3.00 because of the metal. I used aluminum flashing. A full sized hive(with 4 supers) would cost $300 if you were to buy it at catalog prices. Hard to pay for at today's honey prices. Kevin wrote: > I am entering my 2nd year with my apiary. First year went great with only > one hive. I would like to up it to two or three this year. Where is a good > source for equipment? > Kevin Article 23419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B7D28A.7C0B8530@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad(spam_tastes_good)"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: mpalmer@together.net Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:18:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:18:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23419 I've moved bees without screening the entrance at 50 deg. F during daylight and everything went just fine. If it is cool there will be no real reason, except perhaps being very cautious, in screening the entrance as the bees won't be flying anyway. I moved them in very rural places. Michael Palmer wrote: > > I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's > farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and > didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer > if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and > drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 > km. > > APATRY wrote: > > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > > 2. close off the hive entrance > > > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Andre > > Article 23420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:27:57 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas2.lec.gblx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0" X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 951571610 258946 209.130.165.75 (26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23420 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Load at dusk. Net the load. Travel at night.=20 --Busybee APATRY wrote in message <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca>... Hello again,=20 Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:=20 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them=20 2. close off the hive entrance=20 the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20 Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?=20 Thanks,=20 Andre=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Hello=20 again,=20

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to = do:=20

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over = them
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the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0-- Article 23421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951573954 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23421 Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for their wintering ability. This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians will do better in most cases! Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode quickly. There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too little, even if it does exist! "terry" wrote in message news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new > breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes > Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His > bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker > race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And > Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? > Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? > > Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. > > > terry > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:10:56 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <898mtg$2t1a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951574256 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23422 Mesquite and acacia trees both live in dry desert areas, but are very easy to tell apart. The Mesquite, which we called Kiawe in Hawaii, is a thorny, scraggly looking tree of medium size. The acacia, which we called a monkeypod, can be a huge towering tree. The mesquite grows in areas too dry for acacia. Mequite honey is very white. Not clear, but white. It granulates very quickly and is often seen with the consistency of butter. It has a mild flavor and sells for a good price. "Old Drone" wrote in message news:v1s2bsgq8at2jokk4viur6jkndprncr2pr@4ax.com... > Dear All, > Can anyone give me an acurate description of the colour, flavour and > properties of this honey. I need to surprise someone with "knowledge." > My books mention it but it is literally just a mention. > ASAP Please. > Thanks in advance, > Pete. Article 23423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:13:03 GMT References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000226091303.14724.00000700@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23423 >... Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? > >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Keeping bees in a shed is no problem. We started last spring with two hives in a lean-to shed with corrugated fiberglass roof that I built for that purpose. We recently split them to four hives. In front of the hives is a screen and glass fence about 40 inches high to force the foragers to fly upward more quickly than they would normally do. This is to protect children and others who might walk by. HOWEVER, in your case I agree with Barry. If your city has a law against keeping bees, then you must not do it. Far better in my opinion to learn all you can about the benefits of bees and then educate the city council. With some help from other beekeepers maybe you can get the law changed. Sincerely, Herb Campbell Article 23424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Feeding Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:14:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <898n4l$gqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 24 14:51:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23424 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > A picture is worth 1,000 words. Notice the feeder ring, a super will work > too. > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/fe eding.htm > > My wife just bought me some 2 gallon bags that are about 13 x 15 that work > great. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net A word of caution. In 1998 we tried the ziploc bag method, with one gallon bags as I recall. We had found John's beekeeping site and did it just like his pictures show. But notice all of the bees on top of the bag in one of his photos. In our case so many bees accumulated on top of the bag that their weight pushed it down and several hundred drowned. The Ziploc bag procedure seems to work for many bees, but it sure didn't work for ours. We've gone to the entrance feeders with great success, and we put in a little wintergreen oil to control the mites. Of course here in NW Florida we don't have very many days when the entrance feeders would freeze - none so far this winter! Sincerely, Herb Campbell Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:56:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23425 On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" wrote: > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for >their wintering ability. > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians >will do better in most cases! If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > >Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. >They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode >quickly. > >There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and >other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM >resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too >little, even if it does exist! > > > > >"terry" wrote in message >news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new >> breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes >> Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His >> bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker >> race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And >> Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? >> Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? >> >> Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. >> >> >> terry >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > Article 23426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:59:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38b7e9c6.166015096@news1.radix.net> References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23426 On 26 Feb 2000 05:56:54 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >Hello. I will be new to beekeeping this spring and have a question. Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Perhaps I could install >a tube of PVC pipe or another material from the hive entrance to a discrete >hole outside of the shed. > >Thanks for your input. Bees under roof is not a problem. I keep several hives in a shed so that I have access to bees when it is raining etc. You can just leave the door open. They will come and go. Greg the beekeep Article 23427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:38:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23427 The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. not what you would call prime time is it??? JMitc1014 wrote in message +ADw-20000303234923.03271.00000085+AEA-ng-fl1.aol.com+AD4-... +AD4-On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... +AD4- +AD4AIg-Pollinators in Peril+ACI- +AD4- Host: Peter Fonda +AD4- Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world +AD4-thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often +AD4-forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role +AD4-they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include +AD4-footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed +AD4-growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native +AD4-bees. +AD4- From a post on another NG. +AD4- It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers +AD4-in +ACI-Ulee's Gold+ACI-, and the producers of this program will repeat the +AD4-exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the +AD4-imperiled pollinator movement +ACI-The Forgotten Pollinators+ACI- by Gary Nabhan and +AD4-Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): +AD4- +AD4- +ACo-Speculates+ACo- that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to +AD4-extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? +AD4- +AD4- Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators +AD4-because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar +AD4-(native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). +AD4- +AD4- Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- in +AD4-North America are native +ACo-everywhere+ACo- in North America there are more than 55 +AD4-species of bumblebees here. A native pollinator in the Northwest is an +AD4-invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a +AD4-bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species +AD4-in Massachusetts. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized +AD4-honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been +AD4-successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those +AD4-areas of the world rival US output for some products. +AD4- +AD4- Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey +AD4-bee for outcompeting themwithout mentioning that bumble bees were also +AD4-imported to Australia several centuries ago. +AD4- +AD4- Implies that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- are more benign than honey bees. +AD4-Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by +AD4-hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without +AD4-pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. +AD4- +AD4- Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force +AD4AIg-fearsome+ACI- and +ACI-overwhelming.+ACI- +AD4- +AD4- Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. +AD4-A study of beekeepers in +ACI-The Hive and the Honey Bee+ACI- (Chapter 11) shows the +AD4-majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: +AD4-Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the +AD4-diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as +AD4-managed or kept colonies are concerned. +AD4- +AD4- Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one +AD4-trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee +AD4-research to alternative pollinator research. +AD4- Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an +AD4-immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this +ACI-fashion+ACI- +AD4-seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the +AD4-latest victim. +AD4- The show airs (Eastern times): +AD4-Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm +AD4- Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am +AD4- Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aangeboden Message-ID: References: <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 951583895 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:51:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23428 zoot soot dood In article <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl>, bramborg@planet.nl says... > Ter overname aangeboden bijenstal met vijf gezonde volken in de omgeving van > Groot-Ammers. Met mogelijkheid opslag materialen en reserve delen. Verder > een grote hoeveelheid reservedelen voor kasten, honingslinger, > zonnewassmelter etc, etc. Bram Borg e-mail: bramborg@planet.nl > > > Article 23429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952178281 24.112.144.102 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23429 Stacker, I am a total newbie here as well, but I can relate what I have been told. A supplier near me in Ontario - F.W.Jones in Toronto, sells 4lb.(pound) packages with two queens. Most of the other retailers sell 3lb. packages with one queen. When I asked some experienced beekeepers if splitting them into smaller hives would cause much of a problem, the consensus was that there would be no problem whatsoever. Just split them into two hives and introduce the queens accordingly. I was going to go this route myself, but managed to find a guy that sells entire hives - woodenware and everything - for almost the same money as the above mentioned 4lb. packages. Good luck with whatever you chose. Yours, Glen Archer - Ontario, Canada. stacker wrote: > > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:21:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <89922h$nqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 17:21:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; CS 2000; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.199.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtlawrenceault Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23430 In article <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" > wrote: > > > > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for > >their wintering ability. > > > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians > >will do better in most cases! > > If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > For my purposes, only the sourwood flow which is in July/August is desirable. Terry Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:16:42 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 5 Message-ID: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 952179792 3131 62.136.21.62 (4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23431 I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK based group. Does anyone know of one please? Article 23432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Friday Forecast Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:42:29 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8996so$1lh$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> References: <88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.d1.3b X-Server-Date: 26 Feb 2000 18:43:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23432 Sorry about that post, it proves that a meteorologist can't handle reading a newsgroup and sending a forecast at the same time! Mark N. Mark Nelsen wrote in message news:88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > Today: > Sunny...Still Smoggy > High: 54 Light Wind > > Tonight: > Clear & Cool > Low: 32 in City, 25-30 outlying areas > > Tomorrow: > Sunny...No Haze...Warmer/Windy > High: 60 Wind: E 15-30 & Gusty > > > Friday: --/54 Sunny > Saturday: 32/60 Sunny > Sunday: 34/56 Partly Cloudy > Monday: 42/52 Showers (use sun w/shower) > Tuesday: 39/51 Rainy > > Article 23433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 14:45:20 GMT References: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000304094520.03548.00000255@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23433 It is reccomended that new beekeepers start with packages because they generally lack the experiance to inspect comb for disease signs. If you have a trusted mentor who will inspect an existing hive for you then by all means go for the bargain. Otherwise start on new equipment from a package. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!tribune.oar.net!not-for-mail From: "nwolfe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:11:30 -0500 Organization: OARnet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.agmc.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23434 My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 at this location survived The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one and the workers threw them out. What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a fair price, before the worms set in? What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Small" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:03 -0800 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <89jdg4$7uf$1@ins21.netins.net> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> <20000229214549.08208.00000439@nso-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ur146.mebbs.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23435 > I am learning what kind of fire ant poision I can put out and kill the ants > with little harm to the bees, but I haven't found the right product yet. Many years ago there was a product called Cyn-o-gas that worked wonders. It was pelletized and released a heavy gas so putting it on the ground eliminated burrowing life. I have not seen it for a very long time and guess that it was removed from the market. Article 23436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9983-38B838AD-9@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWYPi55r+BYF1a+DTHEvRSJ+GZdgIUAiPVFsLPOYTWez3J3Zuir+2Ihbg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23436 Should be no problem as long as bees can breathe. Migratory almond pollinators move hives from Northern Oregon to Northern California in January without much trouble. It is about 400-500 miles. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.193.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951607543 12.72.193.72 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23437 My bees tell me ^ngravel@direct.ca^ (Normand) wrote: >Should I try to clean them better (Please tell me how)? I have cleaned such frames by warming them and scraping them down to the mid-rib. Then spraying them with a steam cleaner to get most of the debris out. Followed by a bleach soak to add a little insurance against the possibility of AFB. They are advertised as reusable, so why should we throw them away when they get ugly? Article 23438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B865A7.393B6687@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:27:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.209.185 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 951607654 161.184.209.185 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23438 Normand wrote: > Hi you all. I inherited old plastic frames ravaged by waxmoths (all > dead frozen here in Canada) lots of the cells are deformed or > covered with mold because there was honey that got uncapped by wasps > and there was pollen which is wasted. > Normand: If you have already scrapped them down to the midrib, and are concerned about the wax and propolis in the bottom of the cell. Just check with a nail to see if it's loose of hard, if loose don't worry about it, the bee's will clean it up better than you could do. If it's hard you can try washing them down with some warm water, not boiling, too hot a water will make pretzels out of your frames. Just use a stiff bristle brush. If they are inherited, you probably aren't sure if they are disease free. If that is the case make sure you treat with TM when you put the frames on the hives, just pay attention to the frames and the bees. Article 23439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhdavila Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: find where to buy queens in Mexico Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:43:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <899oek$6lh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88pe41$nsh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <88u1is$b7q$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.235.8.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 23:43:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 148.235.8.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhdavila Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23439 Thanks for your info Adam I find one place on that pages to buy frames. Javier Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:08:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952189720 24.92.236.180 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:08:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:08:40 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23440 The WBC hive features an outer "shell" surrounding the hive boxes-proper. There is one "lift" or shell per box , and when stacked up, they give the hive its gabled(?) appearance. The WBC by design uses a lot of material, even if it is more picturesque, and so is considerably more expensive than a single-walled hive. The National is simpler and more practical, being a single-walled hive. An advantage over the Langstroth hive is that the National boxes have "plinths" (I think they are caled) or slats/rails built into the top and bottom of the end-walls, and forming the frame-rests. They provide much more of a grip for handling the boxes than the Langstroth hive's meager hand-hold cutouts. Disadvantages to both WBC's and Nationals is that the bee-space is on the bottom, instead of above the frames, and they both use British Standard frames, which are rather small in area, compared to Lanstroth or other brood frames. One WBC/National brood chamber doesn't quite provide the volume required for the laying capacity of a prolific queen. -J. Amy Moye wrote: > I have read about "WBC" and "National" hives on UK websites. Does anyone > know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. I might want > to purchase or build a few, but do not know much about them. Anyone have > any experience? > Pros / Cons? Article 23441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:36:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38B88DA6.58D124E2@kingston.net> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23441 Hi All, I have kept Carnies for several years now. I'm in south eastern ontario. I switched to Buckfast and wasn't as happy. All of the other postes are great. Fast build up in the spring, watch out for swarming, fairly gentle. If you want to expand, there the girls. Mine seemed to be fine through the hot days of summer. The beekeeper where I get mine from gets his stock from Australia. Kent Article 23442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C1457A.2FE1CAE6@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees in Comb References: <20000303184821.02482.00000222@ng-ca1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:11:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952189900 24.92.236.180 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:11:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:11:40 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23442 Just leave the dead bees in the cells as they are. Not worth trying to remove them, at all. A swarm will certainly not be deterred by them remaining in there. Once there are new bees in the hive, they will remove the dead ones and clean everything up in short order. Richard Flanagan wrote: > My friend recently gave me a old hive that had died out during the winter. He > asked me to clean it and help catch a swarm to replish the died bees. My > questio is How do I get the dead bees that are stuck in the comb?? There are > over 300-400 bees in 5-6 frames with their heads stuck in the comb. All died > out beacuse of lack of honey, they starved to death. I am worried about the > smell of dead bees may make to hard for a swarm to enter the old hive. Any > answers will be deeply appreciated. > > Richard Flanagan > > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 23443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:14:19 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 952182608 204.244.87.47 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:10:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:10:08 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23443 > know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. Hi Amy, You can find plans for a WBC hive at http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm unfortunately I never used them myself but I hear they are more popular in Europe. Maybe that Irish newsgroup would know more? Good luck. Normand One con is that there isn't much of those around. Article 23444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: "Shari Sanford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:15:06 -0800 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <89jfot$iv8$1@news.monmouth.com> References: <38BAE56E.4DEB8B78@digizen.net> <20000228235844.12648.00000682@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp158.monmouth.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23444 Hey Rob, Here is a site that markets many types of bee related products: http://www.beehive-botanicals.com/ Sounds like you'll be mighty busy this spring! I only have one Top Bar Hive at present that is going strong after our NJ summer drought and rather chilly winter. They are bringing in loads of pollen from somewhere. The crocus in my yard is barely up and the daffy's haven't budded yet. Will be installing a nuc into a 2nd tbh this spring (unless I have to split my 1st hive ). Thinking I'll try making up a propolis tincture myself--got a recipe off this group last year, just waiting to accumulate enough of the stuff to get it going. By the way, my 11 you is attending the Beekeeper's Short course with me this year. Definitely interested in bees ;) Shari Article 23445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 19:29:36 GMT References: <20000228235844.12648.00000682@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304142936.02598.00000023@ng-fq1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23445 You might want to try Dadant. They have a web page at www.dadant.com as well as a mail order catalog. They have some recipe and craft books. One is specifically soap recipes for $19.50. Another is Beeswax Production, Harvesting, Processing and Products for $15.50. They have a location in Paris texas with toll free number of 877-632-3268. Ron Article 23446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 19:33:14 GMT References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304143314.02598.00000024@ng-fq1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23446 I would recommend that you try to find locations on other people's property where beekeeping would be allowed. It will cause you some inconvenience of having to travel to your hives, but could cause you less trouble than having to get rid of your hives when found out. Article 23447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C1683F.CBF02B43@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute References: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952198812 24.92.236.129 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:40:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:40:12 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23447 P. substitutes are supposed to stimulate greater or earlier brood production. P. supplements are more effective at this (containing a portion of real pollen), being considerably more attractive to the bees. You are apt to see better results if you trap some pollen during the active season, and mix it in with p. substitute before feeding. A common formulation of substitute is expeller-processed soy flour blended with brewers' yeast. Many suppliers now offer other types or versions of feed supplements which contain the required nutrients to enhance early brood production ("Bee-Boost," "Protivy" "Quick-Gro," etc.). If you are in a location where the early pollen sources are abundant (maples, willows, swamp cabbage, etc.) you probably don't need to supply any of this stuff at all. The bees will soon be collecting all they need, so it won't make much difference, and they will prefer to use the fresh pollen even if substitute is in place. If you do go for early pollen sub./supp. feeding, though, make sure there is plenty of honey or syrup in the hive, as the resulting increased brood production will lead to a marked drain on the honey reserves. -J "L.E.G." wrote: > Does anyone have any info on using pollen subs... Pros and cons, > favorites, ect... > 4of the6 oldtimers in the area use it (and I ) and all seem to do > ok..The 2 that do not use it don't talk too much, so it is hard to drag > out info from them. They may use something and just don't say. > Thanks, > L.E.G. Article 23448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:52:26 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23448 >When medicating last fall I forgot to take out the bag of >menthol (he found it inside where I placed it). Could this have caused the >demise of the hive? There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is increased the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get any more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. Worst case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualización Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:10:26 +0100 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.74.85 Message-ID: <38c19748_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 5 Mar 2000 00:07:52 +0100, 195.5.74.85 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.74.85 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23449 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada el 4/3/2000, ascendiendo el número de visitas a 24.104. En el mes de Febrero hemos superado por primera vez la frontera de 3.000 visitas/mes. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos dos nuevas colaboraciones enviadas algunos de vosotros. @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 41 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 125 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a cerca de 2.000 de los cuales + 1.000 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades. Se despide atentamente esperando que sean de vuestro agrado nuestra actualización: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 23451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.99 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952213935 63.17.126.99 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23451 Thanks for the Reply, Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... Thanks Again, Gabe in PA >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is increased >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get any >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. Worst >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: New television show/bees Lines: 152 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:47:24 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952220712 203.37.7.69 (Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:45:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:45:12 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23452 If the quote that commercial type bees arrived in Australia several centuries ago is correct as taken from the program. Then I suggest that this may well sum up the scientific accuracy of the program generally as this type of bee arrived on HMS Scarborough in 1822 which 178 years hardly several hundred. But then if you don't like honeybees or Apiarist then what is the difference between 400-500 and 178 from what I can see of the usual published "scientific" papers then near enough is good enough even 200+ years on an easily verifiable date -- Barry Metz Jenn C wrote in message news:sc248i1kee6166@corp.supernews.com... > The show airs (Eastern times): > Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm > Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am > Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. > > not what you would call prime time is it??? > > > > JMitc1014 wrote in message +ADw-20000303234923.03271.00000085+AEA-ng-fl1.aol.com+AD4-... > +AD4-On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... > +AD4- > +AD4AIg-Pollinators in Peril+ACI- > +AD4- Host: Peter Fonda > +AD4- Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our > world > +AD4-thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these > often > +AD4-forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role > +AD4-they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include > +AD4-footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed > +AD4-growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native > +AD4-bees. > +AD4- From a post on another NG. > +AD4- It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US > beekeepers > +AD4-in +ACI-Ulee's Gold+ACI-, and the producers of this program will repeat the > +AD4-exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the > +AD4-imperiled pollinator movement +ACI-The Forgotten Pollinators+ACI- by Gary Nabhan > and > +AD4-Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): > +AD4- +AD4- +ACo-Speculates+ACo- that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators > to > +AD4-extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? > +AD4- +AD4- Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators > +AD4-because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and > nectar > +AD4-(native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). > +AD4- +AD4- Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- > in > +AD4-North America are native +ACo-everywhere+ACo- in North America there are more than > 55 > +AD4-species of bumblebees here. A native pollinator in the Northwest is an > +AD4-invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from > a > +AD4-bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive > species > +AD4-in Massachusetts. > +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the > arrival > +AD4-of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized > +AD4-honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been > +AD4-successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in > those > +AD4-areas of the world rival US output for some products. > +AD4- +AD4- Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the > honey > +AD4-bee for outcompeting themwithout mentioning that bumble bees were also > +AD4-imported to Australia several centuries ago. > +AD4- +AD4- Implies that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- are more benign than honey bees. > +AD4-Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by > +AD4-hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without > +AD4-pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. > +AD4- +AD4- Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force > +AD4AIg-fearsome+ACI- and +ACI-overwhelming.+ACI- > +AD4- +AD4- Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native > forage. > +AD4-A study of beekeepers in +ACI-The Hive and the Honey Bee+ACI- (Chapter 11) shows > the > +AD4-majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. > +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the > arrival > +AD4-of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully > done: > +AD4-Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry > on. > +AD4- > +AD4- +AD4- Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about > the > +AD4-diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as > +AD4-managed or kept colonies are concerned. > +AD4- +AD4- Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for > one > +AD4-trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey > bee > +AD4-research to alternative pollinator research. > +AD4- Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an > +AD4-immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this > +ACI-fashion+ACI- > +AD4-seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the > +AD4-latest victim. > +AD4- The show airs (Eastern times): > +AD4-Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm > +AD4- Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am > +AD4- Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. > > Article 23453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:04:57 GMT References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000304210457.03536.00000320@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23453 <<> Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that.>> I offer the following long quote from an article published by the Environmental News Network last year as a graphic example of this: Researchers investigate nectar-robbing bees. Thursday, July 22, 1999 Evironmental News Network Danger may loom for the lovely, red, trumpet-shaped blossoms of the scarlet gilia, a Rocky Mountain plant, according to researchers from the University of Vermont. They say the flower's nectar is in jeopardy because bumble bee "thieves" have been preventing sprightly hummingbirds from pollinating the gilia. Past studies have shown that nectar robbing may in fact have a positive effect on the reproductive success of a plant. Some robbers can unknowingly aid in a plant's pollination when they brush up against floral reproductive structures. In this study, published in the July issue of Ecology, researchers Rebecca E. Irwin and Alison K. Brody wanted to know if nectar robbing was detrimental to the scarlet gilia. To study the bee's effects on the gilia, the researchers first studied the method by which the robber steals nectar from the plant's blossoms. They found that the bee uses its spiky, toothed mouth parts to chew a hole through the side of the corolla, the petals that surround the inner parts of the flower. The bee then sucks the nectar out of this hole through a long, snout-like proboscis. While this method provides ample nectar for the bee, there is none left for other winged creatures, such as the hummingbirds that migrate through the region. The bee thieves also fail to pollinate the plant, a process that would likely occur after a visit from a hummingbird. Pollination in the gilia occurs only through interplant pollen transfer. For successful pollination to occur, the pollen of one plant must be transferred to the stigma of another, where it can fertilize the ovule and form seeds. Nectar robbing, therefore, has the potential to be highly damaging to the plant's reproductive success, the researchers say. Since individual gilia plants bloom only once, estimates of lifetime reproductive success can be measured in a single season. The researchers measured the rate of pollen transfer between the scarlet gilia plants by placing dye particles on flowers to imitate pollen. The number of dye particles deposited on flowers was compared in plants with low and high robbing rates. This was associated with the amount of pollen transferred by pollinators. They found that highly-robbed flowers donated and received fewer dye particles, indicating that less pollen transfer was occurring among those plants which were visited often by nectar robbers. "The most probable explanation for the reduced fitness of nectar-robbed scarlet gilia is that these plants attract less pollinators," said Irwin. "Hummingbirds tend to avoid plants that are highly robbed, and visit less flowers on those plants. Our study shows that nectar-robbing does decrease reproductive success in the scarlet gilia, further research will elucidate the effect of floral larceny on the evolution of floral traits." Article 23454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Message-ID: References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 952232009 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:53:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:53:29 MST Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:53:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23454 My guess is they starved. I always thought that was dumb, too, that bees would starve even though there was plenty of honey. I guess you can rake it open for them, but in any event this winter I tried giving my colony as much sugar water as they wanted to take. I put the sugar water in Bee Bob's two quart sized upside down plastic pail with holes in the top, and they would go through it in a week or 10 days. Yesterday I discovered that the pail had developed a crack so that the vacuum was bad and all the sugar water ran into the hive within probably a minute; but the bees don't seem any the worse for wear for it, and now they have begun to enjoy the plastic bag feeder method which can be used in a pinch. I guess feeding the bees is not a bad idea. I was thinking that it would be best if they just subsisted off nectar and pollen and then later nurished themselves off their own honey and pollen, but what'r u going 2 do? In article , Redshrike@worldnet.att.net says... > Thanks for the Reply, > > Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the > diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as > well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they > are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go > and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that > they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my > problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the > futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians > but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. > Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... > > Thanks Again, > Gabe in PA > > > >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. > >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is > increased > >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get > any > >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. > Worst > >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > > > > >Robert Williamson > >Southeast Texas Honey Co. > >P.O. Box 176 > >Vidor, Tx. 77670 > >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > > > Article 23455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 4.54.51.198 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Best Queen for Western Virginia Lines: 8 From: leggsafton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0a98dc30.214f0f4a@usw-ex0104-031.remarq.com> Bytes: 394 X-Wren-Trace: eIaji4qT1J7VypeJhMeUnJuWn4KXh9WwjY+dn4qAkIiHhdLH3IjG3MTS083Zn80= Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:45:44 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.31 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 951777688 10.0.2.31 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:41:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:41:28 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23455 I am needing to requeen a hive where the queen is not laying much of anything. I noticed Kelly listing Italians but also a russian and another type of queen as being Varroa tolerant. How do they compare? Which should I get? Thanks. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:29:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38b93758.251409136@news1.radix.net> <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951778103 nnrp-14:14197 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23456 In article <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com>, Robert Williamson writes >3. Does anyone have any recipes for beeswax polishes or creams. I haven't got the book to hand, but from memory this one has some. If the group doesn't come up with more, I'll have a look in our library and see what I can dig out. This is my year to make and sell some. White E.C., Super Formulas (Arts and Crafts), Valley Hills Press, 1993 -- James Kilty Article 23457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Message-ID: <38bb1a38.5476054@news.usit.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228011612.00870.00002383@ng-de1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:06:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 951786384 216.80.168.254 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:24 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23457 I live in southwest va.. On 28 Feb 2000 06:16:12 GMT, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >where are your hives located? It's kinda hard to answer specific bee questions >if we don't know where your hives are. > >Laura Article 23458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:58:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BB199E.EFC1F222@kingston.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228080620.14749.00002445@ng-fh1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23458 Hi all, Right on Kevin. Reversing is done if you find the queen is up laying in the top box in the spring. I've had Carnies that where so large that the brood nest already spanned both boxes. These hives I split. However, the Buckfast where smaller and some were in the top box while in others the queen was laying in the bottom already. So only the hives with the queen laying up top were reversed. This is only one type of the swarm prevention. Depending on other variables (such as comb honey production) will decide what else you will need to do to convince the ladies that your place is the best for them. I love hearing my more southern friends talk about the first pollen and nectar flow. Here in Ontario we still have 2 months to go. Best of luck to all in the coming season. Kent Article 23459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Message-ID: <38bb1ad6.5633674@news.usit.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228080620.14749.00002445@ng-fh1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:09:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 951786598 216.80.168.254 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:09:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:09:58 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23459 thanks for the respond. I didn't go down into the hive but, there was bees covering three frames in the top box on the hive that swarmed at least twice last year. On 28 Feb 2000 13:06:20 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>I still don't feel comfortable reverseing hives. > >Hi gang, > >I kinda wanted to jump on the wagon here just a min. >The process of reversing hives is not just a every hive thing. You have to >inspect your hives in the early spring late winter and see if it's needed. > >I went through 17 hives last Sat. Of the 17 only 5 needed reversing. >If the queen is laying in the bottom box and everything looks ok then do not >reverse. >If you do reverse and it's not needed you will be causing the problem that >reversing is designed to prevent !!! > >Oh Btw, NO HIVE BEETLES FOUND !!!!!! > >Yahooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 23460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Message-ID: References: <951692259@zbee.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 951790529 216.100.16.35 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:29 MST Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:15:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23460 All things are possible except for a husband to be an authority figure in his own house in this day and age in the USA. The incident you cite would have had to have occurred at least 50 years ago. In article <951692259@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com says... > Yes and no. Yes, plenty of people keep hives in sheds successfully and it is > the standard method in parts of continental Europe. No, you are unlikely to > keep it secret for long; somebody (probably you) will talk. However I have > heard of a lady who kept bees in the attic of her house without the knowledge > of her husband who had said she shouldn't have bees so all things are possible. > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > Article 23461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:13:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <89tq29$cq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 05 14:13:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23461 In article <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Freddie Cooke" wrote: > I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the > activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK > based group. Does anyone know of one please? > > Perhaps someone at the following list can help you. Irish Beekeeping discussion list - http://IrishBeekeeping.listbot.com Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C27547.9985C647@usit.net> From: "Harry J. Bowie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute References: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> <38C1683F.CBF02B43@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:57:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.146.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 952268225 216.80.146.109 (Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:57:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:57:05 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23462 JGinNY wrote: > A common formulation of substitute is expeller-processed soy flour blended > with brewers' yeast. I have located a source of soy flower that is not expeller-processed or chemically processed. The mill claims that it is milled on metal wheels (stones). Would this flour be ok to use for bee feed? Harry Article 23463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer bees in australia? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23463 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child more than 50 times, police said. Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a serious but stable condition. ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by the bees, but were treated in hospital and released. A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not known why the bees attacked. Article 23464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer bees in australia? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23464 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child more than 50 times, police said. Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a serious but stable condition. ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by the bees, but were treated in hospital and released. A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not known why the bees attacked. Article 23465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952302326 nnrp-14:3194 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23465 In article <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com>, JGinNY writes >Disadvantages to both WBC's and Nationals is that the bee-space is on the >bottom, instead of above the frames, and they both use British Standard >frames, which are rather small in area, compared to Lanstroth or other brood >frames. Bee space can be on top for Nationals. Just order the design. The frame size is fine for the commonly non-prolific British bee. Most colonies will not fill either the 10-frame WBC or 11-frame National, though you'll get an arch of pollen or "bee bread" in the first super which may be removed for the summer flow. In case of rapid build-up, a two box system can be used as is common with the Italian or Buckfast bees in the USA. However, if you choose a more prolific bee, it is best to go for a larger hive, like the Langstroth, Modified Commercial (like a larger National with the same area and short lugs) or the Dadant or Modified Dadant (au Adam) or even the Jumbo National (14"x12" cf 14"x8"). I prefer the National as I can make them easily from plywood and I select for near native characteristics. After all, the UK honey record is by a native bee and the colony was never moved. I have some odd ones I was given with 14"x14" frames which allow me to use a smaller number of frames and expand if the queen needs it. All the larger hives also give this freedom to use a dummy board to follow the bees needs. Wintering with 2 dummy boards improves insulation and allows better circulation of air. The double-walled hives are useful in very wet and windy climates (like my own!) as the bees are always well insulated. But they are so cumbersome to move. I know quite a few beekeepers who swear by the Smith hive, which, like the Langstroth and Modified Commercial, have short lugs and top bee space and the same size as the National. They are the quickest to sort through according to one of the Newsgroup. (He must speak for himself). I will dig out references to the plans which are available from several sources. Groupies in North America might find it strange that in the UK we have native designs, modified this and modified that, but on the Continent, as we say, there are lots more varieties than here. -- James Kilty Article 23466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stock evaluation cooperators wanted Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <89v1go$g29$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Beekeeping in Eastern USA Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23466 Hello. This post is geographically specific to the Mid-Atlantic USA. I'm looking for a few good beekeepers! I need help evaluating crosses. Here's the situation: This Spring, we're planning on making crosses of specific lines. We're selecting for anti-varroa factor. From in-press work, Harbo has shown that through selection, stocks of bees may be selected for traits protecting them against varroa mites. It's more than likely that the hot new "Russian" bees the USDA has made available to breeders and beekeepers express these traits. What we're looking for are beekeepers within a tolerable driving distance of Metro Maryland/DC that would like to help us evaluate stock for it's potential anti-varroa factor. You'd need to pick up the queens from Maryland (mailing them isn't possible, sorry) and follow our establishment methodology. Once established, you'd need to perform the varroa assays we're working on, record the data, and store it safely until the evaluation is done. We'd then ask for the data at season's end, and maybe get together for a meeting and some fun. And you get to keep your queen. Our goal: to assess the methodology and feasibility of selection for anti-varroa factors in the honey bee population, and to support other beekeepers, bee breeders and biologists concerned about our LACK OF CONTROL in the agricultural realm of beekeeping in the USA. Background: We're testing honey bee stock from the HIP program (Kudos to Jack Griffes) see: http://Griffes.tripod.com/HIP1.html Jack has created and mentored a grassroots, cooperative honey bee selection program. He coordinates beekeepers, bee breeders, and University faculty in this forward-thinking and creative project. We've also obtained stock from Dr.John Harbo, Baton Rouge, USDA bee breeding lab. John provided us with some excellent stock from his anti-varroa selection research (in press). We'll be making crosses in May and June. The queens we'd need evaluated will be daughters from II (instrumentally inseminated) queen mothers. I'm working on the assay to test the queens. Drop me an email if you think you'd like to participate, or if you have any questions, comments etc. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: killer bees in australia?-- I DON"T THINK SO Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <_TDw4.8$677.226471970@news.interact.net.au> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:34:28 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952306298 203.37.7.73 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:31:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:31:38 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23467 Hardly "Killer Bees" my information was that the bees concerned were garden variety Apis Melifera, and as yet the exact reason for the attack is unknown. However I feel I could put a few reasonable theories all of which would preclude any unnatural ferocity on the part of the bees. This tragic incident is not appropriate for any of the Media Hysteria that has surrounded it so far, nor have the knee jerk reactions by local politicians helped. -- Barry Metz Teri Bachus wrote in message news:sc52s5t5ee660@corp.supernews.com... > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html > > Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET > > Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child > > SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in > Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child > more than 50 times, police said. > > Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the > front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when > thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. > > Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and > died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple > stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a > serious but stable condition. > > ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson > Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. > > Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by > the bees, but were treated in hospital and > released. > > A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage > each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not > known why the bees attacked. > > > Article 23468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:32:53 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <29938-38C30AC5-47@storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQCZGGDMoFTmjouONivXH8ZszbAgQIVALYhiCVvvE82SFygBEYq6GAQauMl Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23468 Article 23469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Pam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just saying thanks. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1987-38BE8450-17@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38BC3D3B.70A98FBD@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhlYpm0z+gmrmSUOqlu+JdXmrENYCFCqVDKNVIIjJHhWUY6QwCXJxxfpg Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23469 Try calling 1-800-233-2899 and getting a catalog from the Walter T. Kelley Co. They are in Kentucky and sale bees and supplies. They have dealt in bees and supplies for 76 years. They ship from Zone 2 through 8. Pam Article 23470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:08:35 GMT References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302140835.01313.00000134@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23470 I think if you use 5 mesh screen in the pollen trap you starve the bees But 7 mesh lets about 1/2 get through. Can't find where I saw it referenced but it stuck in my memory Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free hive for interested beekeepers Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:56:21 -0600 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-150-65.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 952314979 92936 207.229.150.65 (6 Mar 2000 03:56:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 03:56:19 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23471 FYI in southern California. > From: ABBcmpsr@aol.com > Subject: RE: Free hive for interested bee keepers > > Hello > > I have a hive of bees that has settled in my roof. I live in southern > California and I was hoping that you might know of someone who would want to > take them off my hands. > > Thanks > > Adam Barry -- Information Service www.beesource.com www.bee-l.com Article 23472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C3490F.3A97A2F3@cybertours.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:58:39 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.227 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.227 X-Trace: 6 Mar 2000 00:48:58 -0500, 209.222.109.227 Lines: 21 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.227 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23472 Greetings! Bee article Page:http://www.mainebee.com has been updated. List of articles: 1)ABF Workshop 2)Special Edition 3)March Enjoy -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:39:48 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89vkga$imb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-119.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 952325450 19147 62.136.78.119 (6 Mar 2000 06:50:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 06:50:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23473 Not sure that I understand - but if you are looking for UK beekeepers then there are quite a number of us here! paulhirst wrote in message news:89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk... > If there's not much on this, what chance in uk? > Paul Hirst hobby beekeeper Yorkshire > > Article 23474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.myxa.com!iad-feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!news.dnttm.ro!not-for-mail From: "Jabba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: good european beekeeping job site wanted Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:45:58 +0200 Organization: Dynamic Network Technologies Timisoara Lines: 9 Message-ID: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Reply-To: "Jabba" NNTP-Posting-Host: ls.datagroup.ro X-Trace: nebula.dnttm.ro 952335960 10211 193.230.233.2 (6 Mar 2000 09:46:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.dnttm.ro NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 09:46:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23474 Hi all, I am retired and looking for a job in the beekeeping, where I have extended experience.Can somebody recommend a good european site containing releted things? Thank you, Jabba Article 23475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: schembari3@aol.com (Schembari3) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Science Mentors Needed Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Mar 2000 06:40:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000305014008.03184.00000342@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23475 Hello All. I am a High School Biology Teacher in Sleepy Hollow, NY. Additionally, I teach a Scientific Research Class in conjunction with SUNY-Albany. The students take this course over a three year period, eventually conducting an original scientific experiment. As a part of this project, students must work with a professional mentor. I am looking to develop a network of professionals in the NYC metro area (1 hr from NYC) who would be willing to act as mentors. Current research topics include: Bacterial degradation of PCB's in sediment deposits, Transmission of Fatal-Familial Insomnia, Suicide Gene Therapy, The role of MHC in xenotransplant rejection, Rapid-cycling Bipolar Disorder Treatment Strategies, Limb Deformity Phenomenon in Amphibians, and The Role of Vitamin Deficiencies in Vitiligo. The final paper from the last topic can be viewed at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/vitiligoresearch/finalpaper.html So, If you are interested in becoming a mentor, please e-mail me with Your name, organization, mailing address, phone number, and area of specialty. Thanks for your help Angelo Schembari Sleepy Hollow HS Article 23476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!korova!korova.insync.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:57:06 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38BD7612.941E9568@mwci.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23476 It's really hard to say what happened in your hives this winter from the info given, but you did put in your Apistan strips way to late. The strips need warm temps to be completely effective and although it was warm the day you put them in, it would have been the middle of December before you took them out. We always try to get our strips in the first week in September. Of course, we lose the fall flow, but the bees put that to good use and we have to feed very little in the fall. We've found that the key to wintering is large stores and large clusters here in northern Iowa. That and adequate and timely medication. Good luck this year! chris sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do i need to treat? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAg6uz+Ha5tECFUnz/3WrUR7cHqtsCFGA1uj3t3GxzJQJVM2TirWRR+aib Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23477 I live in southwest VA. I have four stands of bees. One stand is Buckfast, the other three are Italians. I have been feeding them for 3 weeks.The Buckfast is super strong, it has about 15 frames of bees. All the rest have 7 or 8 frames of bees. I have been feeding them a 1-1 sugar syrup.Yesterday, I got in them to feed them and I pulled some frames to see how my girls are doing.To my surprise, they had brood everywhere.There was a lot of drone brood, so I uncapped some of it. I could not find any mites. I treated them with Apistan last fall. Do i need to treat them again this spring? Article 23478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: good european beekeeping job site wanted Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Mar 2000 15:10:28 GMT References: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306101028.02109.00000386@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23478 >I am retired and looking for a job in the beekeeping, where I have extended >experience.Can somebody recommend a good european site containing releted >things? Check at http://www.apiservices.com/ in France Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: THE BIG MOVE Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:39:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.132 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952360788 206.172.162.132 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:39:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:39:48 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23479 Last week, I posted that i was moving 3 hives 600 km+ and asked for any more advice on top of what I was preparing. Some one wanted and update, here it is: The weather was 6°C and we left at 1pm and arrived at 8pm. we left the truck until morning. The next day I extremely relieved to see all hives were well. It has been over a week now and the bees are getting used to their new home. Thanks for all the advice! -- André Article 23480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Do i need to treat? Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.206.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952362713 12.72.206.96 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23480 You shouldn't be surprised. There is brood everywhere because of your feeding 1:1. You should be looking for queen cells and begin your swarm prevention now as it sounds like they may be preparing. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rodney Moore" wrote in message news:25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I live in southwest VA. I have four stands of bees. One stand is > Buckfast, the other three are Italians. I have been feeding them for 3 > weeks.The Buckfast is super strong, it has about 15 frames of bees. All > the rest have 7 or 8 frames of bees. I have been feeding them a 1-1 > sugar syrup.Yesterday, I got in them to feed them and I pulled some > frames to see how my girls are doing.To my surprise, they had brood > everywhere.There was a lot of drone brood, so I uncapped some of it. I > could not find any mites. I treated them with Apistan last fall. Do i > need to treat them again this spring? > Article 23481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring in New England Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:52:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306165256.02215.00000280@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23481 Bees sighted working crocus blooms today (March 6) with full pollen sacks in suburbs of Boston. Cheers, John Article 23482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!not-for-mail From: David Watson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Giant gumtree honey Date: 6 Mar 2000 23:09:54 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8a1ds2$smv$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: solo.ned.dem.csiro.au User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.5.1 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23482 You might like to read about eucalyptus honey from south west Australia http://www.gumforest.com/red_river/high_honey.html dave@gumforest.com Article 23483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:25:04 GMT References: <89jdg4$7uf$1@ins21.netins.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000301212504.21245.00000307@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23483 > I am learning what kind of fire ant poision I can put out and kill the >ants >> with little harm to the bees, but I haven't found the right product yet. > >Many years ago there was a product called Cyn-o-gas that worked wonders. It >was pelletized and released a heavy gas so putting it on the ground >eliminated burrowing life. I have not seen it for a very long time and >guess that it was removed from the market. > > The only product I know that is similar, and that I use is diazanon. It activates with water and forms a heavy gas. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C44FCA.4E956007@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:39:38 -0500 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Provide a Water Source...how? References: <8845rv$si8$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <20000226104347.01196.00000582@ng-fu1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.73.117 X-Trace: 7 Mar 2000 00:45:10 GMT, 32.100.73.117 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.prserv.net!32.100.73.117 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23484 I've used a 1/4 inch copper line. I put a "T" on one of my outside taps. One side of the "T" has another spigot, the other I used reducers to bring it down to accept the 1/4in line. I ran the line out to an area with some shrubs an have the water just drip onto a pile of stones. The bees can drink all they want off the stones and the excess water drips into the shrubs. It drips enough just to keep the rocks moist. I guess you could get a drip irrigation system from your local home builder supply store. It would do about the same. I still get bees that gather on a hemp door mat at my back door. This year I might have the water drip onto an old piece of carpet. Al Welk / Atlanta, GA KB6UDA wrote: > Maybe something along the lines of a drip irrigation system might work. It > could drip onto some sort of surface the bees can easily land on. Set the drip > so that evaporation is such that there is no real build up of water. > > I have never raised bees so I do not know if this is practical of not. > > Good Luck Article 23485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring in New England Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:52:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38c4523a.1567943@news1.radix.net> References: <20000306165256.02215.00000280@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23485 On 06 Mar 2000 21:52:56 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Bees sighted working crocus blooms today (March 6) with full pollen sacks in >suburbs of Boston. >Cheers, >John Some of my hives have a half super full of maple pollen and nectar here in Maryland. Lots of capped drone brood. I plan on making up nucs in another week or so. They are pulling whit wax and smell soooo good! Greg the beekeep Article 23486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:39:08 GMT References: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000301213908.21245.00000309@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23486 >Hi, I did find an internet site which listed one handcream recipe. It >is the one from the book by Elaine White. Here it is: > >Skin Cream >2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax >4 ounces (weight) lanolin >2/3 cup baby or mineral oil >3/4 cup water >1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) >Fragrant oil (optional) > >Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and >water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is >melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil >mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the >mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth >jars. > >This is a nice cream, but, the lanolin really makes it smell like a >barnyard. I definitely use the fragrant oil (I use almond) to cut the >smell of the lanolin. Give it a try !! > >Good Luck, >Paul Hi Paul thanks for the recipe... One Question I have though is about the fragrant oil. I understand that most fragrant oils like almond have a tendency to turn rancid. Have you experienced that problem? How long does it keep? Thanks Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 03:00:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> References: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000301213908.21245.00000309@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23487 Robert; Have you looked at Andy's Book ( Andy Passed Away about a year ago) at http://beenet.com/pollen.htm >What is the effectiveness of your trap. Mine is under 50% >A hive must have between 1 to 1.5 pounds of pollen per day this time of year to >survive on. So you don't want too effective of a trap. > >Has anyone left their pollen traps active for an lengthy duration at one time. >So far the longest that I have left them on is for five days straight and went >in to study. I found ample pollen stores and 12 frames of brood including eggs. >I am worried about taking to much pollen from them because the result is the >canibalization of brood for protein and the Queen ceasing to lay eggs. Has any >one else had this problem. I left a trap on for over 90 days last summer with no ill effects to that hive. > >How does one prevent moisture damage to the pollen if you let the traps go >unattended for say a week? Is there a way? In your weather conditions I would say no. Even in the dry 14 to 20% wearher we have in Northern CA. any build up of over 1/2" in the screen tray and it starts to sour. That is about all I can add. Dan Red Bluff Ca 41.10 N 122.25 W Article 23488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring in New England Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:27:40 GMT References: <38c4523a.1567943@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306212740.02076.00000351@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23488 >Some of my hives have a half super full of maple pollen and nectar >here in Maryland. Lots of capped drone brood. I plan on making up >nucs in another week or so. They are pulling whit wax and smell soooo >good! Caution is advised. Cold weather is not over yet, and there is usually a dearth between maple and other spring flowers. I'm not saying not to do it (I've made early nucs myself), but it's a much bigger gamble, and usually nucs made a little later will catch up quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hefty Pollination Contract Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 04:10:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306231046.02128.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23489 At the Pollination Home Page is a listing of beekeepers available for pollination (are you listed yet?), and a less-used list of growers who need bees. One new grower listing is looking for 1500 hives in Wisconsin this season. Take a look, if you think you could supply this. Dave Green http://pollinator.com Article 23490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.skycache.com!dagobah.blueriver.net!not-for-mail From: roy ballard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:16:33 -0800 Organization: acme Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C4ACD1.1011BE3A@blueriver.net> References: <89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk> <89vkga$imb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: roy@blueriver.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-slm-02-18.blueriver.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dagobah.blueriver.net 952402714 10046 209.43.66.82 (7 Mar 2000 04:18:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@dagobah.blueriver.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2000 04:18:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23490 Peter Edwards wrote: > Not sure that I understand - but if you are looking for UK beekeepers then > there are quite a number of us here! > > paulhirst wrote in message > news:89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk... > > If there's not much on this, what chance in uk? > > Paul Hirst hobby beekeeper Yorkshire > > > >Do you have many hives? How are they doing? The drought last summer did not do ours much good. Varroa mites, tracheal mites and now the threat of African hive beetles are making it difficult for the honeybees. Article 23491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 18:01:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000307130119.16138.00002510@ng-fc1.aol.com> Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23491 Barry wrote: <> The assertion about when bees arrived in Australia should not be attributed to the program. That was not my source. On honey bees, Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann wrote in 1996 in "The Forgotten Pollinators": "Two hundred years ago, the Australian continent was irrevocably disturbed by the arrival of English colonists bringing with them a few souvenirs of their British homeland: rats, sheep, cattle, and various birds. One of the animals brought Down Under was the European honeybee, one more means of domesticating an unfamiliar landsdcape, reshaping it in the image of Northern Europe." For the bumblebee's arrival in Australia, I have a turn-of-the-century nature writer, Neltje Blanchan, who says they were introduced some time prior to 1900. It's been brought to my attention that that information is suspect, and I won't be quoting it again without further research to discover what Blanchan's source was. The points I elaborated upon in my original post were responses to contentions made or implied in "The Forgotten Pollinators," and other problems I see with the fashion for native pollinators, like chauvinism and jingoism about native pollinators in the US—attended by a fair amount of honey bee bashing. "The Forgotten Pollinator" calls the honey bee a colonizer and a conqueror, destroying and displacing. I call the honey bee an immigrant seeking peaceful co-existence. I have not seen the program, and I reserve judgement upon it until I can see whether its treatment of honey bees will be fair and impartial. Cheers, John Article 23492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: good european beekeeping job site wanted Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:31:36 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38C56728.5CA34ED5@club-internet.fr> References: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-50-12.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 952461281 25775 213.44.50.12 (7 Mar 2000 20:34:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2000 20:34:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23492 Try visiting the site under the name of APISERVICES.
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Peter. Article 23493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!n00zpHeed.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Lines: 66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23493 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Small" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:01:49 -0800 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8a44vu$10p$1@ins20.netins.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ur179.mebbs.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23494 > > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > > generally marketed around > the world, does not > > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > > Black Locust in North America. Is this the black locust that has clusters of thorns? Article 23495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23495 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23496 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To feed or not to feed Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:12:50 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 952441719 204.244.87.78 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:08:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:08:39 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23497 I have been reading lots on the subject but I am still perplexe... To do it the bee way and let them figure it out themselves was my first thought and also seemed to be the least work as long as the bees have enough supply left in the fall... But then, If I don't feed I understand that I may miss the major flow and then have too many bees when the flow is over wich will deplete the stores too fast... Something to do with inducing the queen to lay faster. This is my first wintering and so far my 5 hives are doing fine except for one which was a secondary swarm (or afterswarm?) And that I tried to winter against all your good advice. I started feeding it yesterday and the future will tell. I am in BC Canada 100mi. North of Vancouver, Bees have been flying on sunny days for the last month. Dandelions usually come in bloom about mid-april here. Thank you Normand. Article 23498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:39:00 GMT References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23498 Those things are wax moth larvae. You can give the comb back to a new colony of bees and they will clean the moths right out. Moth larvae are only a problem in abandoned comb or in colonies that are too sick to resist them. No problem for strong colonies. Article 23499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silk worm type things Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:11:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23499 my first hive left me about a month ago. they were an established hive that i captured. then left where they were for a couple of weeks then i mowed them home. a couple of days later they had all left. now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the honey with them) today there were little white inch worms in the comb so im wondering why the bees left and what are these parasites I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) Article 23500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Barry Meltzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie feeding question Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:13:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 952481622 24.128.21.130 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:13:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:13:42 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23500 I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this group. Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover over that? Thanks, Barry Article 23501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 03:23:21 GMT References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307222321.01315.00001311@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23501 >Is there anyone on the NG who uses screen hive bottoms in an area with where >Fire Ants are located? >If so, do the ants bother your bees? > >William >North GA Mtns. > > > > > > > > Miksa from Lake County Florida, we have several thousand colonies in our area with screen bottom boards on pallets, no one has found any increase fire ant problems. Some beekeepers use 4x4 mesh some 8x8 mesh we use 6x6 have been for ten years since finding out it helps cut down varroa populations. Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 23502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Your Name" Subject: re beeswax receipes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf88b9$44b05f80$29cda7cb@setup5> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:44:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.205.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 952490698 203.167.205.33 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:44:58 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:44:58 NZDT Organization: CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23502 hi, about that receipe that was posted using baby or minral oil. Mineral oil doen't soak into the skin, it justs sit on top as a greasy mess I always use almond or peach kernal oil. If they're too pricy, use a vegetable oil, preferably cold pressed, which will feed the skin with vits A & D, but even a overprocessed salad/cooking oil would be preferable to baby oil. I always melt the oils/waters together in a water bath so they are the same temperature, & also wax over a direct heat can be very dangerous! Please email me if you want other receipes, i've got plenty. jenny Article 23503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C5D1C3.DFCF3AF2@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie feeding question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:06:27 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.106 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 952487852 206.253.50.106 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:57:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:57:32 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23503 Barry Meltzer wrote: > I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this > group. > > Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container > (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of > the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover > over that? > > Thanks, > Barry If the weather is cool it is best to feed the bees by placing the container over the inner cover hole, then placing and empty hive body over it. I have used a large coffee can with the plactic lid.. Punch a few holes in the plastic lid, in a circle motion, fill the can with the sugar syrup, put on the lid, place it over the inner cover hole. Check it the next day to make sure it is draining ok. Article 23504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Your Name" Subject: question re BEESTINGS Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:26:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.205.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 952489607 203.167.205.41 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:26:47 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:26:47 NZDT Organization: CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23504 TO ALL BEEKEEPERS HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? jenny watson Article 23505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:04:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38c63399.2560054@news1.radix.net> References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23505 On 08 Mar 2000 01:11:12 GMT, ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) wrote: >my first hive left me about a month ago. >they were an established hive that i captured. >then left where they were for a couple of weeks >then i mowed them home. >a couple of days later they had all left. >now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the >honey with them) >today there were little white inch worms in the comb >so im wondering why the bees left >and what are these parasites >I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) >i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) I think they all went fishing. Greg the beekeep Work is for people that don't know how to fish. Article 23506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C63D0D.72C01BF7@together.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 06:44:13 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 8 Mar 2000 06:59:44 -0500, dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 34 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23506 Jenny-I am a beekeeper with 1000 colonies. Have two daughters, both of whom have been stung a number of times. My younger had a reaction last September. You're right, it is scary. We are only 5 minutes from the hospital, but it was still nip and tuck. She starts venom therapy tomorrow. She was tested for venom allergy last week. I asked the MD about her allergy/being in a beekeeping family. He told me that 1 in 10 members of beekeeping families develope allergic reactions to bee venom. In the general population it is 1 in 100 to 200. Trouble is that they don't receive enough bee stings, but are exposed to the venom on the beekeepers clothes. This causes the m to develop the wrong kinds of antibodies(simplified version). Gaelen will be receiving very weak solution of venom-once a week for awhile, and then less often for about two years. When the treatment period is over, she has to receive regular bee stings(several times a year). This is a good reason all you hobbyists to shed your gloves, and receive enough venom to keep your immune system in good order. Hope this answers some of your questions. Mike Your Name wrote: > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson Article 23507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:31:26 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952493237 203.37.7.123 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:27:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:27:17 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23507 I suspect that they may be the larvae of wax moth, If you've only a couple of hives then perhaps you might be best to pick the grubs out by hand rather than contaminate the comb with an insecticide. If you use an insecticide then the wax will be toxic to bees for some weeks unless you can air the frames for a couple of days after using an insecticide -- Barry Metz IJimbo2 wrote in message news:20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com... > my first hive left me about a month ago. > they were an established hive that i captured. > then left where they were for a couple of weeks > then i mowed them home. > a couple of days later they had all left. > now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the > honey with them) > today there were little white inch worms in the comb > so im wondering why the bees left > and what are these parasites > I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) > i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) Article 23508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:34:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 952522446 204.186.129.86 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:34:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:34:06 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23508 Send your questions to Theo Cherbuliez tcherbuliez@cyburban.com He is a MD with the American Apitherapy Society and will have the latest info. Good Luck! Your Name wrote in message news:01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5... > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson > Article 23509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:21:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.138.65.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 08 14:21:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.138.65.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtlawrenceault Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23509 I would use caution with the Midnight breed. I have had some very bad luck with the breed. Granted, I am a very small hobbyist, but it sounds like you are as well so maybe I am not out of order to caution you. Last summer I requeened two of my hives with Midnights and both have died since. My italians are still alive and thriving. I am in N. GA. and requeened during a honey flow and both queens took but neither prospered. In article , "Gabe" wrote: > Thanks for the Reply, > > Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the > diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as > well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they > are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go > and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that > they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my > problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the > futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians > but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. > Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... > > Thanks Again, > Gabe in PA > > >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. > >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is > increased > >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get > any > >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. > Worst > >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > > > > >Robert Williamson > >Southeast Texas Honey Co. > >P.O. Box 176 > >Vidor, Tx. 77670 > >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: i need a smoker Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:25:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000308122500.02153.00000027@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23510 anybody wanna sell me one also is that liquid spray smoke anygood? Article 23511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Bruce and Chris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead hives Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:41:36 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bngrb102-30.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23511 Hello to all- A question from a novice: On our first spring hive check, we found both hives dead. There seemed to be enough food present, but the capped honey had a chalky gray, sort of moldy appearance to it which was also seen on parts of the frames as well. We had a fairly mild winter here (Maine) and I thought that we had provided ample ventilation. But who knows, we apparently did something wrong. Any thoughts? Your experienced thoughts are most welcomed. We can't wait to get going again soon. Thank you, Bruce Wilson Charleston, Me sbeam@bangornews.infi.net Article 23512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> Subject: Re: Dead hives Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952543383 12.72.48.155 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23512 A hive without bees will mold. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Bruce and Chris" wrote in message news:38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net... > Hello to all- > > A question from a novice: On our first spring hive check, we found both > hives dead. There seemed to be enough food present, but the capped > honey had a chalky gray, sort of moldy appearance to it which was also > seen on parts of the frames as well. We had a fairly mild winter here > (Maine) and I thought that we had provided ample ventilation. But who > knows, we apparently did something wrong. Any thoughts? Your > experienced thoughts are most welcomed. We can't wait to get going > again soon. > > Thank you, > > Bruce Wilson > Charleston, Me > sbeam@bangornews.infi.net > Article 23513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:46:24 GMT References: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000308184624.03560.00000998@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23513 >I would use caution with the Midnight breed. I have had some very bad >luck with the breed. I have had good luck with the Midnites I have gotten from Yorks nice crop reasonably mellow bees nice dark color. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:13:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23514 On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >A hive without bees will mold. > >-- >Geo It will also make a nice colony of bees if you add a package or a swarm. Greg the beekeep Article 23515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000308184624.03560.00000998@ng-cl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952566640 63.17.126.170 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23515 Thanks for the responses. I did what research I could and talked/emailed some friends. I have since decided on Buckfast as they were recomended. I only keep one hive and so try to do the best I can with what little I have. My last hive was Italians which did pretty well except this winter. I think there demise was partly my fault in that I treated a bit late in the year with my apistan. Hopefully I learned a lesson and will do better with my new hive. Thanks again for the advice. Gabe New Jersey Article 23516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.98.98.64!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey barrels Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:21:02 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-71.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 952572135 15495 208.232.214.71 (9 Mar 2000 03:22:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2000 03:22:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23516 Hello guys, I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions preacher Article 23517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:19:23 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 952575671 209.90.4.228 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:21:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:21:11 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23517 > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but Could you describe what you mean by anaphylactic shock? Some people don't really have a good grip on what it is. They will confuse a very strong reaction to a sting, with ana... shock when it is not really. Strong reactions don't really require a shot. But people just go ahead and shoot themselves or family because they get scared. I'm not saying he did not have it; I just want to know what actually happened and the time frame. John Article 23518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:43:31 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <9Z81+CAjY1x4EwHP@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952596346 nnrp-02:29552 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 43 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23518 In article , "C.K." writes > >On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor > wrote: > >> I was informed by Steve Taber, who >> recently left France to return to his southern >> roots. > >What southern roots is that? This quote is wrongly attributed to me here. I do not know Steve Taber(although I do like his writings) and have never corresponded with him. Thus there is no point in challenging me about the availability or otherwise of Black Locust in Texas because I just do not know if it grows there or not. What I do know is that the honey marketed around the world as acacia is normally Robinia pseudacacia, and not any of the true acacias. It is a native North American tree which has been spread by man to many areas, including much of central Europe to China. Many references have been made by other posters to this being known as Black Locust in its native range. Where exactly its native range is in North America is something for others who know better to post about. >I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or >Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) ............large snip for sake of brevity........... >water table, they do much better. > >C.K. Naturally I do not dispute any of this and find it very interesting indeed. I have tasted catsclaw honey and liked it greatly, and it is probably the one of those you mention which has most of a reputation beyond the US. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 23519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid bee smoker Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:54:17 +0300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip48.parma.ru Message-ID: <38c7adf0@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 9 Mar 2000 17:20:15 +0300, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!rosnet!news.glas.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip48.parma.ru Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23519 Me interests liquid bee smoker. But at us in Russia it do not sell. Someone can has its recipe? Andrey Article 23520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C7B0D5.CF46DC74@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:58:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952610301 24.112.144.102 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:58:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:58:21 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23520 Try this one - it seems simple enough. http://www.beesource.com/plans/melter.htm Hope this helps, Glen. "André Patry" wrote: > > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > Thanks, > -- > > André Article 23521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Mar 2000 15:50:03 GMT References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000309105003.03538.00001281@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23521 Check ot this set of plans and instructions - http://members.aol.com/beetools/solar.htm Article 23522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:56:36 GMT References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000309125636.22016.00000523@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23522 >I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions >preacher Check with local food processors, bakeries, etc. Those who bottle fruit juice often get their concentrate in drums. I've bought hundreds that way for $2 apiece, sometimes even free, when they were overstocked. You may find a candy maker small enough to still use corn syrup from drums, though most use tankers and tanks. I'd stay away from those that have held vegetable oil. It'll cost more to clean it out than the drum is worth. Local salvage dealers may also have leads or even have drums. I bought a couple of stainless steel drums once for $10 apiece. Made good tanks. Just make sure all drums are food grade, and no chemicals have been kept in them. If plastic is okay, check soft drink bottlers. Usually one of their employees contracts to buy all, then you must buy from the employee. They'll run around $10 for 55 gallon. I don't use these for honey, but for feed syrup. Many states have a market bulletin with classified ads. Drums are frequently found under miscelaneous. Ours is online at: http://www.state.sc.us/scda/mkt_bulletinv2.html Or check your state. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Article on CNN about using honey for healing Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:07:23 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-18-233.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23523 Here is an article I came across on CNN' news site posted on 8 March, 2000. It describes how doctors are once again looking into using honey to help heal external wounds. http://cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/alternative/03/08/honey.healing.wmd/index.html Article 23524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Caldwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:00:51 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23524 Dennis, I saw plastic 55 gallon drums at Wal-Mart for sale for $25.00 a piece before Y2K for water storage. Maybe they still have some at one near you. Try looking there. Regards, Dave "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote in message news:8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net... > Hello guys, > I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions > preacher > > Article 23525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1943-38C7FED9-39@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRiNOKM7eC8MMxdMEjzjTnOKS0LnQIUYmyG5m/aVbbElaPKUfGXaomUfpM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23525 Difficult to say what may have happened based on your description. I wintered 4 hives this winter (my first) and they are doing well as of Monday here in NW Oregon. In the fall, I had strong hives with honey/sugar syrup stores of at least 60 pounds. I fed sugar syrup in the fall and over the past 6 weeks even though some honey in the hives. Medicated with coumaphos, fumidil, and TM in the fall. Left lids propped with smal sticks for venilation. Put entrance reducers on. Factors to consider: Were any dead bees around? When/What were the conditions on your last check? Were your hives queenright going into winter? How strong were hive populations in the fall? Were there any signs of disease or pests at that time? DId you medicate in the fall? To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:52:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.167 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952638737 206.172.162.167 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:52:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:52:17 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23526 Thanks! -- André André Patry wrote in message news:0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com... > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > > Thanks, > -- > > André > > Article 23527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article on CNN about using honey for healing Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:01:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952645473 nnrp-12:19523 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23527 In article <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net>, David writes > >Here is an article I came across on CNN' news site posted on 8 March, 2000. It >describes how doctors are once again >looking into using honey to help heal external wounds. In hospitals in the UK, bandages with honey are used routinely in many cases to speed up healing. -- James Kilty Article 23528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:22:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38c8402f.2500295@news1.radix.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23528 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:10:27 -0500, Bruce and Chris wrote: >Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they >require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? > >Bruce and Chris > The bees will clean it up. Greg the beekeep Article 23529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C815AC.4443E66E@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:20:44 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> <38C63D0D.72C01BF7@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn25.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 952654331 23625 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23529 Got Mine Today L.E.G. Michael Palmer wrote: > Jenny-I am a beekeeper with 1000 colonies. Have two daughters, both of whom > have been stung a number of times. My younger had a reaction last September. > You're right, it is scary. We are only 5 minutes from the hospital, but it was > still nip and tuck. > She starts venom therapy tomorrow. She was tested for venom allergy last > week. I asked the MD about her allergy/being in a beekeeping family. He told me > that 1 in 10 members of beekeeping families develope allergic reactions to bee > venom. In the general population it is 1 in 100 to 200. Trouble is that they > don't receive enough bee stings, but are exposed to the venom on the beekeepers > clothes. This causes the m to develop the wrong kinds of antibodies(simplified > version). > Gaelen will be receiving very weak solution of venom-once a week for > awhile, and then less often for about two years. When the treatment period is > over, she has to receive regular bee stings(several times a year). > This is a good reason all you hobbyists to shed your gloves, and receive > enough venom to keep your immune system in good order. > Hope this answers some of your questions. Mike > > Your Name wrote: > > > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > > jenny watson Article 23530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor wanted Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:04:24 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C86638.92ECB3D1@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-105.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 952658220 5524 216.176.151.105 (10 Mar 2000 03:17:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:17:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23530 I'm looking for a good, used stainless steel honey extractor that's motorized. I'm a small hobbyist with no more than ten hives. I live in Indiana so something from the midwest or south would be preferable. Please email me At chowell@netnitco.net Thanks, Chad Howell Article 23531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor wanted Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:05:54 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C86692.B553D88A@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-105.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 952658306 24092 216.176.151.105 (10 Mar 2000 03:18:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23531 I'm looking for a good, used stainless steel honey extractor that's motorized. I'm a small hobbyist with no more than ten hives. I live in Indiana so something from the midwest or south would be preferable. Please email me At chowell@netnitco.net Thanks, Chad Howell Article 23532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C790CA.8FA99EC4@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Reply-To: thombrad@visi.net Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:54:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 06:54:15 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23532 A.I. Root and Dadant both sell the drums you are looking for. Thom Chesapeake, VA Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > Hello guys, > I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions > preacher Article 23533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C792E9.66A9F09@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Reply-To: thombrad@visi.net Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie feeding question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:03:20 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23533 Barry, I have used, in the past, plastic tool totes from Walmart. I catch them on sale for about $2.00. They are stackable and convenient. You may be able to find some that will fit inside a super vice deep and most will fit under a medium. Under the handle is open and in weather where they can break cluster for a couple of hours, they will come up through the center just fine. However, bees will drown like this. To lessen this effect- Scratch the walls very well with a rasp or similar device to allow them a footholds on the plastic. Place wood or similar objects on top of the liquid in the bins. On top of this place cloth paper towels, or screen material to float on top of the liquid. Do not allow the material to drape over the side as it will wick all the fluid right out of the bin. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Barry Meltzer wrote: > > I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this > group. > > Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container > (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of > the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover > over that? > > Thanks, > Barry Article 23534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:29:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.74 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952604988 206.172.162.74 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:29:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:29:48 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23534 I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans to build a simple one? Thanks, -- André Article 23535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Bruce and Chris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:10:27 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bngrb103-04.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23535 Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? Bruce and Chris honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT, "George Styer" > wrote: > > >A hive without bees will mold. > > > >-- > >Geo > It will also make a nice colony of bees if you add a package or a > swarm. > > Greg the beekeep Article 23536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:36:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.54.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 952670194 24.67.54.247 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:36:34 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:36:34 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23536 Hi all!! First I want to thank those that answered my last post a cpl of weeks ago..your information was very helpful. I am getting ready to build some frames for my hives and have a few questions that i hope someone can help me out. I have stand size supers and am trying to decide what is the best route for me as hobbist to go for building some new frames 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I need? as well how much wire do I need to build this many frames? My supplier sells wire in a 500 g or 3 Kg pkg...how much will i need? 3) I am also considering making some extra honey supers and have noticed that all of hte literature suggests using box joints to construct the supers. I would like to use a rabbit joint and build the supers out of 3/4 inch plywood. Will this material and the joint tye be strong enough or should I build them out of solid stock and use box joints? I would appreciate any insight anyone has to offer on this...and thanx in advance for you help on this. I should also mention that I have found this newsgroup provides a wealth of information that otherwise wouldnt be accessible to newbies like myself. Article 23537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon1.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: hives on farms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Lines: 15 Bytes: 783 X-Originating-Host: 63.23.105.27 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eJi9lZSNyoDL3I2emsqQl4yChr2ZmdSCk5GD1ZKDjJjBzZbLxZbcxsHXzso= Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:26:02 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 952655236 10.0.2.50 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:27:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:27:16 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23537 I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. Comments? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:26:29 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8aapj3$109i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 952691107 33074 209.130.165.60 (10 Mar 2000 12:25:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 12:25:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23538 Hi enfieldbees: We keep bees in the middle of corn country! However, we have excellent stands of basswood and much sweet clover in road ditches or the occasional alfalfa field that sometimes blooms...cross our fingers the farmer can't get in to cut due to rain or his busy schedule :-). Look to see what else blooms (and approx bloom dates) in a 2-3 mile radius of the farm. I would also advise that you not expect much honey from some fruit bearing blossoms (ie apples). We have pollinated for a large apple orchard in our area and if not for the dandelion and basswood the bees would starve in that particular locale. If you put bees in orchards, I would be more concerned with chemicals there than the corn fields. It is necessary (in the case of the apple grower) that he contact us before sprays. There is a nasty chemical he uses after the blossoms set fruit so it is important we move the bees out! As far as a contract? It might be good idea. Its funny how some people blow off your services...as in the case of our apple grower. We've provided excellent service and have had a good working relationship...until now. He is being turned in for collection this week and he won't see any of our bees at work in his orchard this year. It may be that he is experiencing bigger financial problems than we know, too. Best to look into a pollination contract. May I ask where you are located? --Busybee enfieldbees wrote in message <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>... >I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to >expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in >a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng >some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their >properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like >corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I >restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not >polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract >like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > >Comments? > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 23539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 27 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4hay4.3422$Q76.232851@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952709312 12.72.48.126 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23539 You should also consider plastic foundation. No wiring and it lasts forever. Assemble your frames and snap them in. Grooved bottom and top bars work best. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "stacker" wrote in message news:SJ0y4.110045$up4.1699090@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? > I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I > need? Article 23540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.50.225.33!news.servint.com!not-for-mail From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:29:33 -0500 Organization: ServInt - This Is It Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38C9693D.7D54334C@digizen.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.22.32.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.servint.com 952709005 725 216.22.32.206 (10 Mar 2000 17:23:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.servint.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 17:23:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23540 If you want the farmers to pay you for pollination... a contract wouldn't be a bad idea. If you want them to let you put your hives on their land, but don't expect money to change hands, a written contract may be a little off-putting to some people who otherwise might have been happy to have your bees. How about sending a friendly letter confirming the arrangement... without the formality of a signed contract? enfieldbees wrote: > I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to > expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in > a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng > some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their > properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like > corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I > restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not > polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract > like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > > Comments? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:05:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38c8d605.40857554@news1.radix.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23541 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:26:02 -0800, enfieldbees wrote: >I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to >expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in >a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng >some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their >properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like >corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I >restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not >polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract >like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > >Comments? > Run an ad in the local news paper "FREE HONEYBEES." You will have all the places to keep bees you want. Be picky, put them where they will do best, be easy to get to, etc. I find big vegetable farms to be the best. Especially the ones that let the brocolli bloom before plowing them under. Greg the beekeep Article 23542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:05:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8aaku1$6td$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.194 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 11:05:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.194 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23542 Dear Jenny, Michael is right. We often hear of beekeepers who have gotten so good at their job that they no longer get stings. Then one or more sends them into shock. Getting plenty of stings is very cheap insurance for a beekeeper. If we use crawling bees that are near the end of their life anyway it doesn't even waste any bees. Bee stings never used to bother me but I had gone some twenty years without one. Then in 1998 one bee sting on a finger caused severe local itching and swelling. After about 30 minutes both palms were itching and the swelling was moving up to the back of my right hand. After an hour my entire hand was swollen and I felt a little dizzy. So it was an allergic reaction but not full blown anaphylactic shock. Twenty- four hours later the hand looked like a blown up rubber glove and the swelling was above my wrist. The next day it had moved on up to the middle of my forearm, with the swollen part twice normal size. The third day it reached my elbow. Then it started down. I was surprised to see that the finger went back to normal first and then recovery moved up. In March of 1999 we bought 2 colonies and my first sting caused a similar reaction but this time it was on the left hand and the swelling didn't quite reach the elbow. That's when I decided to go through a desensitization procedure described by Pat Wagner, "The Bee Lady", beelady@olg.com on the Apitherapy List at Apither-L@sci.fi Her procedure worked fine and I'm becoming fairly immune to bee stings now. They still hurt of course but no ill effects. In fact I think they are beneficial. Crawling bees provide enough venom with 4 or 5 stings a day to keep me immune and help my arthritis. Yesterday we collected a swarm and I got stung about thirty times with no problems. That makes over 300 stings so far this year and I feel great. Sincerely, Herb In article <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5>, "Your Name" wrote: > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su Article 23545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK - Brede Valley Queens Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:37:27 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-75.antimony.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 952734825 2771 62.136.42.75 (11 Mar 2000 00:33:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Mar 2000 00:33:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23545 Do any UK readers of this newsletter know where I can buy Brede Valley Queens? I have bought them in the past and they produce the most amazing calm bees that can be safely kept in city gardens - they are a joy to handle but unfortunately I have lost the address. Thanks Article 23546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:16:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310221622.02079.00000996@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23546 << On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... "Pollinators in Peril" Host: Peter Fonda The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am >> According to my calendar March 21st is a Tuesday, not a Wednesday. I called the station and checked that it would indeed be airing Tuesday. The show should also be a bellwether for whether billion-dollar Ted (see below) has been misled by honey bee bashers like "The Forgotten Pollinator" authors, who have wrongly characterized the honey bee as a sort of threat to the "natural world." As a conservationist, environmentalist and beekeeper, I'm quite upset about this. With a stated goal of "All we're doing is allowing the ecosystem to be as natural as possible," my hope that this show will treat the immigrant honey bees fairly and impartially is going down. I wonder if Ted knows about all those non-native bumble bees, alfalfa leaf-cutter bees and Orchard Masons that are being shipped around the country? Or how about that new pollinator, the Japanese horn-faced beetle, that was introduced by a USDA scientist (Barta) in 1990? Sure didn't here about it from "The Forgotten Pollinator" crowd, who have arbitrarily and selectively chosen to villify the honey bee. Omaha World-Herald, December 27, 1998, Sunday SUNRISE EDITION SECTION: ;NEWS; Pg. 5b HEADLINE: Turner Conservation Work Spans Nation BYLINE: Julie Anderson SOURCE: World-Herald Staff Writer Many Nebraskans are familiar with Ted Turner's efforts to return American bison to the Nebraska Sand Hills - of which he owns a little more than 100,000 acres - and on some of the other Western land he has acquired. But an article in the January-February issue of Audubon magazine tells just how broad his conservation interests have become. They range from establishing a captive breeding program for Mexican wolves on his New Mexico property and restoring endangered red-cockaded woodpeckers on his Florida plantation to trying to eradicate invasive, non-native weeds and addressing declines in pollinators such as bees, bats and butterflies. In Nebraska, Turner is helping the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission re-establish blowout penstemon, a native plant on the state's endangered species list. Many of Turner's efforts are controversial. But there is no doubt that a man who can afford to give $ 1 billion to the United Nations can try pretty much anything he wants. "All we're doing is allowing the ecosystem to be as natural as possible," Turner said in the article. "We're trying to replace as many missing pieces to the environment as we can: plants or animals now missing because of overhunting or habitat destruction or whatever. We're trying to save what we can of the natural world." Article 23547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: Re: hives on farms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0cefcfc2.c29861f1@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 6 Bytes: 263 X-Originating-Host: 63.23.150.205 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <8aapj3$109i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Wren-Trace: eN/60tPKjceMm8rZ3Y3X0MvFwfre3pPF1NbEktXEy9+GitGMgtGbhIOQiYqE Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:26:58 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.49 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 952749180 10.0.2.49 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:00 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23547 Thanks for your response. I'm from Enfield, CT. I just got started last year and will have 7 hives this year. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FYI Posted in Garden Forums Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:26:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310102641.21960.00000669@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23548 Just read of a neighbor who advised a backyard fruit grower to spray peaches while the fruit is in blossom. This is a reminder to all backyard growers NOT to spray insecticides during bloom. Reasons: 1. It is illegal. Read the label directions, under Environmental Hazards, you see instructions not to apply while bees are visiting the spray area. You can be prosecuted, fined for violations. 2. It bites the hand that feeds you. Killing your pollinators is not an intelligent practice, especially in light of the tremendous pollinator population decline within this generation. 3. You can be liable for damages to a beekeeper neighbor. Just as you cannot poison a stream, shoot songbirds, or foul the air, your rights are limited to some extent for the greater good of all. PROTECT OUR POLLINATORS Apply insecticides, if needed, before blossoms open, and after full petal fall. Don't let clover or dandelions, or any other weed blossom pick up insecticides as you spray. Mow the blossoms off before spraying. The bees cannot speak for themselves, so I speak for them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Mar 2000 16:16:24 GMT References: <38C919D2.8215A99E@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310111624.02586.00001307@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23549 Plywood makes for good lids and bottom boards but makes for lousy supers and hive bodies as it peels in that orientation moreso than when flat. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:27:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 81 Message-ID: <8ab487$hus$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 15:27:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23550 In article , "stacker" wrote: > Hi all!! First I want to thank those that answered my last post a cpl of > weeks ago..your information was very helpful. > > I am getting ready to build some frames for my hives and have a few > questions that i hope someone can help me out. > I have stand size supers and am trying to decide what is the best route for > me as hobbist to go for building some new frames > > 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have > to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am > leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and > making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to > purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. With the number and accuracy of cuts necessary to make frames, I would spend the extra money and buy them. > > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. You mean embedding the foundation onto the support wires? > I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? Yup... > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? For use in the brood box, probably none. For extracting, durability. > I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I > need? > as well how much wire do I need to build this many frames? My supplier sells > wire in a 500 g or 3 Kg pkg...how much will i need? > > 3) I am also considering making some extra honey supers and have noticed > that all of hte literature suggests using box joints to construct the > supers. I would like to use a rabbit joint and build the supers out of 3/4 > inch plywood. Will this material and the joint tye be strong enough or > should I build them out of solid stock and use box joints? For one, I'm not sure you can make durable rabbets in plywood. For another, the plywood will need to be exterior grade so that it will last any length of time and I'm not sure how healthy it would be to have treated plywood in close proximity to a food product. I would buy 3/4 inch untreated solid stock and use rabbet joints. Use a type II exterior wood glue and galvanized nails or screws (I prefer finish nails purely for the esthetics) on the joints. Then prime and paint the exterior surfaces. > > I would appreciate any insight anyone has to offer on this...and thanx in > advance for you help on this. I should also mention that I have found this > newsgroup provides a wealth of information that otherwise wouldnt be > accessible to newbies like myself. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:50:42 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38C919D2.8215A99E@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 7XX/r1KsbvADI8ttVG6Ug08IiZM8+eW4crOy5rfAjkA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:50:44 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23551 stacker wrote: > 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have > to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am > leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and > making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to > purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. I'd agree with the previous reply... cutting 300 frames yourself is quite a lot of work and if your spacing is off, you'll violate bee space and create a mess. > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? I started last year. I put in vertically-wired foundation and support pins. It was ok for April til about June, but when it got hotter out, any undrawn foundation started to warp, and then when it was drawn the cells were unevenly deep. I now install wired foundation and add horizontal wires also. I don't have 300 frames to wire though... -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:03:07 GMT References: <20000311082018.02133.00000498@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311130307.03835.00001488@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23552 <<...scientists are going to be radically limited in their ability to engage in such practices in the future.>> I should say scientists and businesses. In Brian Griffin's book, "The Orchard Mason Bee," he describes a bee he calls the "Onion Bee" (Heriades carinata). He says that starting in winter 1999, he will begin offering these bees for sale (he has a nationwide mail-order business). Does anybody know what the native range is of these bees, and whether any research has been done on how they will compete and interact with other pollinating insects in the environment? Griffen calls this bee a "pleasant and interesting little pollinator." Do pollination biologists and entomologists really want to stymie the growth of this kind of interest (and business) in alternative pollinators by staying silent in the face of the "native" pollinator argument? Pollinating insects are beneficial organisms, not "aliens" bent on destroying "the natural world." Scientists should not let the native pollinator advocates villify alternative, but non-native pollinators. John Article 23553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK - Brede Valley Queens Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:43:25 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8ad8mg$3s1$1@gxsn.com> References: <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.232.23 X-Trace: 952772112 1NNUCNF1GE817C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23553 Try Brede Valley Bee Farm kbs@binternet.com or Tel. 01 424 870 737 Seems a safe bet. Chris Stephen Cox wrote in message <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Do any UK readers of this newsletter know where I can buy Brede Valley >Queens? I have bought them in the past and they produce the most amazing >calm bees that can be safely kept in city gardens - they are a joy to handle >but unfortunately I have lost the address. >Thanks > > Article 23554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 13:20:18 GMT References: <20000310221622.02079.00000996@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000311082018.02133.00000498@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23554 Correction: The USDA entomologist who released the Japanese horn-faced beetle (Osmia cornifrons) was Suzanne Batra. Griffin (1999) writes, "Her passion for the attributes of this pretty little bee has resulted in its introduction to many parts of the country." In their book, "The Forgotten Pollinators", Buchmann and Nabhan introduce the concept of scramble competition among bees, and say such competition disrupts many plant/pollinator relationships. They single out the honey bee for its "fearsome" foraging force and the efficiency of its dance communication language. But I've identified now repeated introductions of non-native pollinators in North America — bumble bees outside their native range, alfalfa leafcutter bees from Eurasia, Orchard Masons outside their range, the Japanese horn-faced beetle. The contribution of any individual insect may be minimized by some, but cumulatively, doesn't this add up to a significant amount of scramble competition? Most of these introductions have been with the assistance and help of pollination biologists and USDA entomologists. It seems that if we are to buy into Buchmann and Nabhan's theory and the advocacy that is growing behind it to make the ecosystem "as natural as possible," scientists are going to be radically limited in their ability to engage in such practices in the future. John Mitchell Article 23555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!pop-news-1.colt-telecom.nl!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Message-ID: <952816210@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:17:24 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89c1225f REPLY: 240:44/0 f464eaef PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(115) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 952819746 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23555 I believe the BBKA publish plans for both these hives cheaply. The WBC is a double walled hive so it uses twice as much timber; with sloping pagoda like outer lifts the joinery is complicated; the inner boxes are protected from the weather so cheap materials may be used; painted white it looks really smart on your lawn; it is not very portable so is suitable only for a permanent site; with oblong brood boxes and supers and outer lifts options for manipulations are limited; bees love them as they are warm and dry. They do so well that they swarm easily; mice love them too. They best thing about them is that a National will fit inside. About 80% of the hives in the UK are Nationals. They are square, 18 and an eighth inches each way. They take 11 brood frames which have 1 1/2inch lugs. Like the WBC they have bottom bee way but this can be remedied without too much difficulty. They are reasonably portable; a full brood box can be lifted without too much difficulty. Being square, you can orientate them the warm way or the cold way and you can alternate the alignment of adjacent supers so the bees are less inclined to join them together with brace comb. They are more difficult to build than the short lugged types but can be managed by the amateur. Commercially, they are made from western red cedar and these last longer than the owner.- I have some over half a century old and they are in better condition than I am. I hope this helps. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: vabeach@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:33:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8aeoki$25f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <38C9693D.7D54334C@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.28.223 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 12 00:33:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.28.223 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDvabeach Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23556 I've been where you are now and have had great success by finding growers who do "you pick". I don't charge for pollination at those sites, but they sell all my honey at well above market prices. I give them 1/3 of the retail price and so far everyone's happy. Just a thought, Ernie > > I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to > > expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment building question Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 02:35:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23557 I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common woodworking tools? I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that well with the cleated handles getting in the way. Thanks Jim Article 23558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 frame spacing tool Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 02:35:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311213552.03539.00000475@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23558 I'm looking for information on how to build (or where to buy) a 9-frame spacing tool like Bonney recommends in his book Hive Management. Anyone know how or where? Article 23559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news4.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CB0AF8.56754DB6@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame spacing tool References: <20000311213552.03539.00000475@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:11:52 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.82 X-Trace: news4.mco 952830693 209.214.198.82 (Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:11:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:11:33 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23559 Just about all the equipment dealers in the U.S. sell them. For example, BetterBee (the first catalog I picked up, 800.632.3379) offers part number FST1 - 9 Frame Spacer - US$13.95. They look like a very big hair comb with 10 teeth! Bill Daniels JHTanstaaf wrote: > I'm looking for information on how to build (or where to buy) a 9-frame spacing > tool like Bonney recommends in his book Hive Management. Anyone know how or > where? Article 23560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: africanized bees Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 03:44:36 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000311224436.03152.00001535@ng-fo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23560 What exactly are these bees? I think they are aggressive but not exactly like killer bees. I know there is some beekeepers in the group who use them. Thanks Al Article 23561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Jerry Hathaway Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:43:34 -0600 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Reply-To: hathaway@geneseo.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gen4-ch340.geneseo.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 952836499 19934 216.175.21.244 (12 Mar 2000 04:48:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:48:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23561 JHTanstaaf wrote: > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > woodworking tools? > > I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have also heard of using a router. Article 23562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:11:53 GMT References: <9Z81+CAjY1x4EwHP@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000312101153.02866.00002000@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23562 Murray McGregor worte: <> I did not know this plant was introduced and invading in Europe and China. <> The following information is from the Brooklyn Botanic Garden's Handbook on Invasive Plants "Weeds of the Global Garden." This report is by John Hunter, Dept. of Biological Sciences, State University of New York. Black locust (Robinia pseudacacia) is a native of eastern North America from Pennsylvania and southern Indiana south to Georgia and Louisiana and west to Iowa, Missouri and Oklahoma. Because of its useful wood, nitrogen-fixing ability and attractive flowers, it has been planted widely beyond this orginal range and now grows in the wild throughout the U.S. and southern Canada. While intolerant of shade or poorly drained soils, it occurs in many habitats—in the East in disturbed woodlands and forests of urban and agricultural landscapes. In the West, its distribution is more restricted, and it is typically found on heavily disturbed lands such as roadsides, and in stream bottoms and ravines. It has also escaped cultivation in the Northeast and upper Midwest. What problems does it cause? Through roots and seeds, black locust creates stands of consdierable size. Outside of black locust's original range, these stands displace native vegetation in woodlands and pinelands and riparian areas in the eastern portions of the nation and in riparian areas including along desert watercourses in the far West. Its seeds, leaves and bark are toxic to humans and livestock. Article 23563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!isdnet!isdnethub!not-for-mail From: "Gérard PIOCH" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Displacement of rucher Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:32:22 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp41-montpellier2.libertysurf.fr X-Trace: news4.isdnet.net 952886369 36581 213.36.21.41 (12 Mar 2000 18:39:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@isdnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 18:39:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23563 Hi, For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double displacement) to carry out this transfer? Gerard. Article 23564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:55:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:55:17 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23564 Move the hive and leave a leave a small "nucleus" hive in it's spot. After a good foraging day, move only the small nucleus hive to a new field. The only other way I know of is to move it 1/2 meter per day. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA "Gérard PIOCH" wrote: > > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. Article 23565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 20:44:54 GMT References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000312154454.21378.00000284@nso-cu.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23565 In article <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net>, "Gérard PIOCH" writes: > >Hi, >For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained >to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site >is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in >mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double >displacement) to carry out this transfer? >Gerard. > You are going to have to make two moves to accomplish this short move. Article 23566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Einar Bernth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:05:05 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.131.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 952898764 195.47.131.164 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:06:04 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:06:04 MET Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23566 Hi Gerard, You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new flight of orientation. Good luck, Einar Gérard PIOCH wrote in message news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. > > > > > Article 23567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: i need a smoker Message-ID: <952894245@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:35:26 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89d4bbec REPLY: 240:44/0 dd748e05 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(116) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 952901165 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23567 I used liquid smoke for the first time today. I didn't even have my smoker with me. I went through the hive and the bees almost ignored me. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:35:16 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ah62g$3uk6@news.vtx.ch> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-7-p54.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23568 A couple of chisels, especially a gouge with a convex edge, and of course A STEADY HAND... JHTanstaaf a écrit dans le message : 20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > woodworking tools? > > I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding > them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that > well with the cleated handles getting in the way. > > Thanks > Jim Article 23569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame spacing tool Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:36:51 GMT References: <38CB0AF8.56754DB6@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312183651.02587.00001558@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23569 >Just about all the equipment dealers in the U.S. sell them. For example, >BetterBee >(the first catalog I picked up, 800.632.3379) offers part number FST1 - 9 >Frame >Spacer - US$13.95. >They look like a very big hair comb with 10 teeth! > >Bill Daniels Great. Thanks. Neither Dadant nor AI Root list it in their catalogs. I figure if they haven't got it it's generally not readily available. I ordered one tonight. Article 23570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:38:41 GMT References: <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312183841.02587.00001559@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23570 >I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have >also >heard of using a router. Yeah, I tried that but didn't get the dished out handle I was looking for. Maybe it's time to burn some wood trying a bunch of things to find the one that works best. Article 23571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wesley.videotron.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CC2C41.3F6C722C@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bulk comb honey (...& round cut-comb)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:38:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952904335 24.92.236.196 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:55 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23571 Walter Kelley used to advocate bulk comb honey production, and recommended it over extracted honey production for hobbiests and sideliners. For this purpose, his company sold (and perhaps still offers) cardboard boxes made to hold one entire comb honey frame. I'm wondering if comb honey "by the frame" is ever marketed nowadays, or if it is still popular in some parts of the USA. Is it, or was it, more of a regional thing, perhaps more common in the South? And is there any demand for it now? On a related note, I see that lately there is a new style of cutcomb container on the market, which is round. Evidently supposed to have the appearance of round-section honey. Not sure what the advantage is, considering that the circles of comb that are cut out must leave quite a bit of the comb area behind. It is a nice-looking package, though. I'm guessing it allows cut-comb to compete for the high price that round sections bring. Anybody tried the round c/c, and how do customers seem to like them? j. Article 23572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Forgotten Pollinators - UPDATE Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:18:26 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38CC25C2.EB28707E@azstarnet.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23572 Re: Bees on TV, and other recent references to USDA Research Entomologist Steve Buchmann: To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Buchmann has resigned from his position at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS, in Tucson, Arizona, and is no longer associated with the USDA. Article 23573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Mar 2000 01:38:12 GMT References: <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312203812.02104.00000989@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23573 Rainy days help with short moves as the bees are pretty much confined to the hives. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!iol.ie!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!159.134.237.94.MISMATCH!news.eircom.net!news.eircom.net!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:29:55 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8afh72$bp$1@moe.eircom.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p53.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: moe.eircom.net 952846370 377 159.134.232.53 (12 Mar 2000 07:32:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 07:32:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23574 Hi there, It wouldn't hurt to sterilise the hive using 80% acetic acid as a fumigant before installing a new colony ( or swarm) Ruary Rudd rrudd@eircom.net Bruce and Chris wrote in message news:38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net... > Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they > require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? > > Bruce and Chris Article 23575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp3.giganews.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Montgomery" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:58:37 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-JWe79hKkDnmffDXWHZfbaA+zZT+GkQEyCbCLXkTUxq7DwBJZmfT4OfiQ63T2t16mMUAht66fbldci8w!527NWu2xrpVZX5CjO5yxV2aPqAqY X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:01:38 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23575 Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the basics. Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. Do bees need darkness? I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. Thanks in advance for your consideration Article 23576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:18:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:18:40 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23576 That, I have never heard. Do you have any sources? Thom Einar Bernth wrote: > > Hi Gerard, > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > flight of orientation. Good luck, > Einar > Gérard PIOCH wrote in message > news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > > Hi, > > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new > site > > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > > Gerard. > > > > > > > > > > Article 23577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:28:35 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38cc6d48.42473091@news.tco.net> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23577 On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:55:17 GMT, Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> wrote: > Move the hive and leave a leave a small "nucleus" hive in it's spot. >After a good foraging day, move only the small nucleus hive to a new >field. The only other way I know of is to move it 1/2 meter per day. > >Thom Bradley >Chesapeake, VA Try leaning a piece of glass aginst the front of the hive when you move it so that the bees will run into the glass and realize that something is wrong. Article 23578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ecn.ou.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mpx.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:36:50 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952929263 203.37.7.89 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:34:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:34:23 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23578 From experience and research I doubt very much the three days of rain theory. It is generally accepted that there are only two ways to move the hives being 1. Move them a distance of more than 8 km overnight and unload by sunrise if possible 2. For short moves ( in the same yard) about 3-5M at a time(/day). or for a short move i.e. less than 8 km, take two days about 4/5 days apart on day one move them 8Km or so, then on day two bring them back to the desired location But I really cant see any point in moving the bees 500 metres, perhaps you could elaborate on your reasons -- Barry Metz Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> wrote in message news:38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net... > That, I have never heard. Do you have any sources? > > Thom > > Einar Bernth wrote: > > > > Hi Gerard, > > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > > flight of orientation. Good luck, > > Einar > > Gérard PIOCH wrote in message > > news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > > > Hi, > > > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > > > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new > > site > > > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > > > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > > > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > > > Gerard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 23579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "bowyerpounds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sale in South East England ? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:17:38 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: "bowyerpounds" NNTP-Posting-Host: userds53.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 952955191 19154 62.188.6.159 (13 Mar 2000 13:46:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 13:46:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23579 Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any forthcoming sales. Many thanks Matthew Pounds Article 23580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spring feeding Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:46:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:46:56 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23580 Hi folks, I'm going to have to feed my bees this spring. The book I have says that the spring mixture is 1:1, sugar to water for sprintime feeding and 2:1 for the fall. I think allthat I have read on the newsgroup says 2:1. So which is it? I'm thinking of going with 2:1. Thaks, Mich Article 23581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:16:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 952953398 204.186.180.126 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:38 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23581 The bees are fine with room lighting, you just do not want them to be in direct sunlight. Our observation hive has been active in our office for 8 seasons now without dying. We open the hive about 3 - 5 times a season, to take out brood if needed and to clean the glass. Check out this link to our site with pictures of our hives - http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page7.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Mike Montgomery wrote in message news:NHZy4.3139$QF6.138248@news5.giganews.com... > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration > > Article 23582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Message-ID: <38cd09fc.1103112312@news.usenetserver.com> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:31:08 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:33:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23582 I saw a table saw jig a guy had made where as the wood fed forward he cranked the blade higher .. worked pretty slick On 12 Mar 2000 02:35:01 GMT, jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) wrote: >I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides >for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial >equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common >woodworking tools? > >I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding >them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that >well with the cleated handles getting in the way. > >Thanks >Jim Article 23583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring feeding Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:43:55 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CD1ACB.85C877A4@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dFEuvemAm6NgtYs2SZ+x5smcLNCs9Iq0Yumt9yh0U8A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 16:43:56 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23583 1:1 to stimulate them 2:1 to give them more for storage Are you feeding to get them through the winter, or to start building up population? -Steve Michel Crichton wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm going to have to feed my bees this spring. The book I have says that > the spring mixture is 1:1, sugar to water for sprintime feeding and 2:1 for > the fall. I think allthat I have read on the newsgroup says 2:1. So which > is it? I'm thinking of going with 2:1. > > Thaks, > Mich -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:27:59 -0500 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CD251F.3941DE4E@lambton.on.ca> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23584 I have used a router with great success. From a small piece of plywood i cut out a hole about 2" * 4" and then lightly nailed this onto the side of the box to be used as a template for the router. Jerry Hathaway wrote: > JHTanstaaf wrote: > > > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > > woodworking tools? > > > > > > I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have also > heard of using a router. -- Mark Article 23585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?VHVybmVyknMgYW50aS1ob25leSBiZWUgYWdlbmRhIHNldHMgb2ZmIGFsYXJtcw==?= Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:09:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23585 Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Ted Turner, who gives more than $25 million annually to organizations professing to have conservationist goals, announced in January 1999 that his foundation was aligning itself with the Pollinator Conservation Consortium at the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. The organization was formed and is run by the authors of “The Forgotten Pollinators.” The book calls honey bees conquerors and colonizers and a serious threat to native pollinators, and implies strongly that beekeeping is an environmentally destructive practice that should be discouraged and banned. The first product of this alliance hits the (US) airwaves March 21st with “Pollinators in Peril,” hosted by Peter Fonda. Check your guide for local listings. Writer Donovan Webster recounts his meeting with Turner and some of his top managers in the January/February 1999 issue of Audubon magazine: “Finally, Turner speaks of his newest baby, which is being rolled out in 1999. It’s a pollinator project, which addresses the population drop of bees, bats, butterflies, hummingbirds, and other animals that fertilize the fruit and vegetable plants that constitute one-third of the world’s diet. Phillips (Mike Phillips, a top manager at the Turner Foundation) later explains how the program started: “Ted was walking one day at Avalon, his plantation in Florida, and he noticed there weren’t any bees.” At the next Turner Foundation meeting in Atlanta, Turner pointed out his observation to Phillips and Bahouth (Peter Bahouth, another official of the Turner Foundation). Bahouth, as it happened, had recently read the book The Forgotten Pollinators, by Stephen Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan, and had already passed it along to Beau Turner (Turner’s son, who is a wildlife biologist). Phillips says the book inspired Turner to take direct action on the issue of native pollinators. “It’s one of our biggest pushes for 1999.” The article’s author sums up Turner’ conservation agenda: “Starting on his own properties—more than a million acres on 13 different ranches and plantations in North and South America....He wants to return his land, acre by acre, species by species—to the way it was before white settlers arrived.” Turner has also turned loose a small army of biologists on his land to monitor some of his pet peeves, one of which is “introduced bees” Again, from Webster’s interview: “Don’t get me wrong, we’re not here to give every biologist in North America a job,” Phillips says. “But we may need occasional help checking out migratory populations, identifying threats, and testing how introduced bees affect resident populations. Some of this can be gathered through a network, and we’ve got folks at the Interior Department interested. We’re also hoping other private landowners will look into these types of issues.” Turner’s efforts don’t end at the US border. He is active in South America, where he has sustantial land holdings. Turner’s agenda also has a lot of clout at the United Nations, which recently received a $1 billion gift from the media mogul. The United Nations is helping—through the UN Environmental Programme—formulate a global Convention on Biological Diversity. Working documents from this group mention pollinators numerous times as being threatened, with much of the science underpinning the recommendations having been contributed by unnamed US researchers (more on this later). The convention will recommend “legal instruments” and “incentive programs” for treaty nations to enact internally to protect biodiversity. John Mitchell Article 23586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: REQ Font with bees / Font for bees-pages /Please post or sent URL Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:27:48 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38cd4f3f.4282640@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-194-29-52-93.stuttgart.gigabell.net X-Trace: news.okay.net 952979257 41899 194.29.52.93 (13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23586 Article 23587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CCBEAE.E365408D@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:10:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.84 X-Trace: tattler 952942191 131.96.150.84 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:09:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:09:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23587 Mike Montgomery wrote: > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration Go to this url for some information on "observation hives": http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm -- Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm Article 23588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!gatech!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C8C160.F0F9231@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 32 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:33:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.52 X-Trace: tattler 952680745 131.96.150.52 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:32:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:32:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23588 "André Patry" wrote: > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > Thanks, > -- > > André Andre, a simple solar wax melter designed by Paul Magnuson, using a cheap foam ice chest, is found on these pages: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm -- Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm Article 23589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: "A.Somalingam" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: A FREE UNIVERSITY WWW Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:46:30 +1100 Organization: SAI BABA FREE SERVICES Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8ajib7$eo0$20@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.163.128.138 X-Trace: the-fly.zip.com.au 952978599 15104 202.163.128.138 (13 Mar 2000 20:16:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@zipworld.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:16:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23589 sci.agriculture.fruit:3447 sci.agriculture.poultry:20598 -- *************************************************************** FREE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION *************************************************************** GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!SATHYA SAI UNIVERSITY WWW IS NOW OPENED AT http://www.saiberweb.com STUDENT ENROLMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FROM NOW ONWARDS FOR FREE With Love and Pleasure We are glad to announce that Our University has SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS Now opened for enrolments. 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NY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:16:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952989380 24.92.236.242 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:16:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:16:20 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23590 Maxant 3100H 3/6 frame honey extractor belt-drive, handles 3 deep or 6 med/shal frames (radially). S/S, vg-exc condition, a Maxant, so it's built like a tank $150 Maxant hand uncapping plane, exc. condition, rt. hand model, never used heavily, works great $30 Prefer pick/up, central NY location prices firm; will take $170 for both Joel (607) 347-6566 jwg6@cornell.edu nr. Ithaca, NY Article 23591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:46:23 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 104 Message-ID: <8ajuk2$a3a$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 952991170 10346 209.130.165.16 (13 Mar 2000 23:46:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:46:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23591 I don't understand this thinking. It is all fine and good to want to return parcels of land to pre-settler like environment. What I don't understand is why is the honeybee blamed for the decline of bats, butterflies, hummingbirds? I don't see the connection. Where will the U.S. be if we solely rely on these creatures (sans honeybees)? Are we willing to accept that food prices would most likely go through the roof? What next chop down trees/plants that were not native to specific regions? Where are THEY (Turner, Buchmann, Nabhan, etc.) going to go when they realize that THEY are not native either? I think this is a bunch of crap...if this goes anywhere it only proves that "money talks". I thought Peter Fonda supported the efforts of the whole beekeeping thing...??? So what is the point? Except for some peoples soft heads... --Busybee JMitc1014 wrote in message <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com>... >Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms > > Ted Turner, who gives more than $25 million annually to organizations >professing to have conservationist goals, announced in January 1999 that his >foundation was aligning itself with the Pollinator Conservation Consortium at >the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. > The organization was formed and is run by the authors of “The Forgotten >Pollinators.” The book calls honey bees conquerors and colonizers and a serious >threat to native pollinators, and implies strongly that beekeeping is an >environmentally destructive practice that should be discouraged and banned. > The first product of this alliance hits the (US) airwaves March 21st with >“Pollinators in Peril,” hosted by Peter Fonda. Check your guide for local >listings. > Writer Donovan Webster recounts his meeting with Turner and some of his top >managers in the January/February 1999 issue of Audubon magazine: > “Finally, Turner speaks of his newest baby, which is being rolled out in >1999. It’s a pollinator project, which addresses the population drop of bees, >bats, butterflies, hummingbirds, and other animals that fertilize the fruit and >vegetable plants that constitute one-third of the world’s diet. > Phillips (Mike Phillips, a top manager at the Turner Foundation) later >explains how the program started: “Ted was walking one day at Avalon, his >plantation in Florida, and he noticed there weren’t any bees.” At the next >Turner Foundation meeting in Atlanta, Turner pointed out his observation to >Phillips and Bahouth (Peter Bahouth, another official of the Turner >Foundation). Bahouth, as it happened, had recently read the book The Forgotten >Pollinators, by Stephen Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan, and had already passed >it along to Beau Turner (Turner’s son, who is a wildlife biologist). > Phillips says the book inspired Turner to take direct action on the issue of >native pollinators. “It’s one of our biggest pushes for 1999.” > The article’s author sums up Turner’ conservation agenda: “Starting on his >own properties—more than a million acres on 13 different ranches and >plantations in North and South America....He wants to return his land, acre by >acre, species by species—to the way it was before white settlers arrived.” > Turner has also turned loose a small army of biologists on his land to >monitor some of his pet peeves, one of which is “introduced bees” Again, from >Webster’s interview: > “Don’t get me wrong, we’re not here to give every biologist in North America >a job,” Phillips says. “But we may need occasional help checking out migratory >populations, identifying threats, and testing how introduced bees affect >resident populations. Some of this can be gathered through a network, and we’ve >got folks at the Interior Department interested. We’re also hoping other >private landowners will look into these types of issues.” > Turner’s efforts don’t end at the US border. He is active in South America, >where he has sustantial land holdings. Turner’s agenda also has a lot of clout >at the United Nations, which recently received a $1 billion gift from the media >mogul. The United Nations is helping—through the UN Environmental >Programme—formulate a global Convention on Biological Diversity. Working >documents from this group mention pollinators numerous times as being >threatened, with much of the science underpinning the recommendations having >been contributed by unnamed US researchers (more on this later). > The convention will recommend “legal instruments” and “incentive programs” >for treaty nations to enact internally to protect biodiversity. >John Mitchell Article 23592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sale in South East England ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 01:52:57 GMT References: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000313205257.02589.00001650@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23592 >Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping >equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. > >I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any >forthcoming sales. You might want to contact Sheila Berrett owner of Bees & Things, Clay Lane, Chichester. Phone 01243 576710, e-mail bees-things@FSBDial.co.uk Regards, Ralph Harrison Western Connecticut Beekeepers Associaton Milford, CT USA Article 23593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:22:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23593 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? John Mitchell Article 23594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!Spacestar!not-for-mail From: MERDOC_US@YAHOO.COM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen trap plans Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:22:47 -0600 Organization: Spacestar Communications, Twin Cities, MN Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38CDBE97.6918@YAHOO.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-25.spooner.spacestar.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.spacestar.net 953008360 3334 206.191.197.229 (14 Mar 2000 04:32:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1.spacestar.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:32:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23594 DOSE ANYONE HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A POLLEN TRAP? Article 23595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A report of native bumblebees in Australia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:50:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000314065038.02606.00001676@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23595 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) According to Buchmann and Nabhan, native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. John Mitchell Article 23596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:27:17 GMT References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314102717.21991.00001298@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23596 From: Gregory getebee@mich.com >I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than >Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast >bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite >resistance, and a gentler disposition. I've used Buckfast from Weaver's in Texas. They are gentle and highly productive. When they supercede the queen, however, they are NOT gentle, so care is required to keep your queen, perhaps by annual requeening. Carniolan are the most gentle bees of all. I don't use them, because they don't do well in hot weather (in SC), but you'll love them in Michigan. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!news.taide.net!news.dnttm.ro!not-for-mail From: "Jabba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:54:03 +0200 Organization: Dynamic Network Technologies Timisoara Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8alnb6$ls8$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Reply-To: "Jabba" NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.datagroup.ro X-Trace: nebula.dnttm.ro 953049254 22408 193.230.233.18 (14 Mar 2000 15:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.dnttm.ro NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:54:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23597 Article 23598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CE7B76.5C6A57F9@beemaster.com> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOVICE BEEKEEPING COURSE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.203 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 953045567 151.198.241.203 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:47 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23598 Please visit my Novice Beekeeping Course at http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm Where you will find over 20 beekeeping topic and 200 photos. My free site is ideal for novice beekeepers, students, teachers and anyone interested in beekeeping. My many topics include: Studying the Hive My Apiary The Queen's role Equipment explained Ordering bees and equipment On-Line logbook Swarm capturing and management FAQs Wax Moth problems Photo Gallery Hive inspection Wallpaper and much much more. Also, checkout my COMPLETE WEBSITE with over 35 educational topics and 600 photos. All at http://www.beemaster.com John the Beemaster If you write me, please let me know that you found me in News Groups. Article 23599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:12:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8alocr$to5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 16:12:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23599 Check beesource.com for plans to build a 3 frame (2 deep, 1 medium) observation hive. It's only 1 frame wide (front to back) so I'd only use it for temporary housing. However, by doubling it so you've got 2 frames by 3 high you'll be able to keep the bees there permanently. However, you'll have to keep an eye on brood production, swarming, etc. since they're more crowded than when you give them 20 frames for brood in a traditional hive. Also, go to yahoo.com and search on "observation hive" and you'll find a bunch of sites with info, plans, etc. AI Root also sells a book on observation hives including plans. Jim In article , "Mike Montgomery" wrote: > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:50:52 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CE8A0A.B1967FF@netins.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-20-142.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23600 Could you describe what your hive setup was that caused so much water in it? It may be helpful for others to know. Thanks Gregory wrote: > > I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water > in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor > of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. > Gregory > > nwolfe wrote: > > > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > > at this location survived > > > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > > and the workers threw them out. > > > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > > fair price, before the worms set in? > > > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hobbyist Equipment Question Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:42:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8am4nt$63n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <_Efs4.6676$tk7.578911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 19:42:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23601 > > Given that the part of the hive in question is really for the bee's use, > > which method (2 deeps or 3 mediums) do you think they would prefer? Which > > configuration would keep them the healthiest and give them the best > > over-wintering capability? We live in Massachusetts SSW of Boston. I'm in Northcentral CT, have Buckfast bees, and use all mediums. They don't seem to notice the difference. I do though. Mediums are easier to handle. I only have to get one size of everything & the only thing I can't get easily are the frame feeders which doesn't impact me much 'cause I use ziplocs or Miller feeders that I build myself. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38CEA4A3.C34637F0@cybertours.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:44:19 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newsletter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.9 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.9 X-Trace: 14 Mar 2000 15:34:08 -0500, 209.222.81.9 Lines: 23 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.81.9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23602 Greetings! We have added a new feature on our web site. Below you will find a link to the WCBKA newsletter: http://www.mainebee.com/html/anhes.html We would bee more than happy to include your monthly club meeting notes. Just email us the information (txt.file is OK) -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:39:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8am815$8j8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 20:39:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23603 In article <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com>, getebee@mich.com wrote: > Hi! > Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? > > I believe the Weavers in TX are the only US breeders. Both B. Weaver & R. Weaver sell packages. I use B. Weaver myself. Nice people. (Does not imply that R. Weaver isn't, just haven't dealt with them.) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "Hans Wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:29:03 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8am9b1$koi$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-129-138.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 953067681 21266 212.239.129.138 (14 Mar 2000 21:01:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 21:01:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23604 First off all think once more over displacing them twice. For example visit the fruit blossom and put them at there new location wen they come back. You do not mention were you live. In case winter just ends, and the bees did not fly much jet, you can still move them, for after a long winter-sit they have to renew there orientation. Finally you can narcotize them with laughing-gas, (nitrous oxide), you by this in tablets, burn them in the smoker, for this time fueled with charcoal, be carefull charcoal is much hotter than the jusual stuff. This is a kill or cure remedy, also applicable to other problems, but to me only a last resort. Keep the opening small next days. Hans "Gérard PIOCH" schreef in bericht news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. > > > > > Article 23605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "like-life" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help----please Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Trace: /whjshcnUD9Si+8BwPECaeCIfm/56pFb+QON0F9YYUyAcIE93X/uyd7Z4X/FTZy+8qduNwvcV5yG!etQQIEWVhLbbpk1r5WUnnLQDi//n8rlJmztzzfoJmIJ/sLtmkAaXIWNmUih/nTA9N4ZjGS5wmZK6!ffGuGcJSYcoNwkdg/KWEaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:02:25 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:02:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23605 hello I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. was wondering what can I spray or put out that will not harm my bees.......... And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my garden????????????????? rose's ect..ect.... would be thankful for any help.............. thanks-----Dusty Article 23606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:59:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23606 I have tried Buckfast bees also. I found that they lived up to the hype but in all of my cases when they superceded undesirable characteristics came out. If you want to keep them I would suggest re-queening annually. I have gone back to Carniolans. Kent Article 23607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Rule Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:36:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 20:36:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23607 In article <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com>, getebee@mich.com wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? > > Go for it. They are the best bees! Actually they've been bred for disease resistance, low propolis production, good honey production, gentleness. Best all round bee. I'm in the N.E. and we generally saw disappointing honey production last year due to drought & heat. Many friends got little or no honey. I got 70lbs/hive. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sale in South East England ? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:22:38 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38cec882.5132791@news.freeserve.net> References: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> <20000313205257.02589.00001650@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-67.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 953076528 32624 62.137.38.67 (14 Mar 2000 23:28:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:28:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23608 Brinsbury Agricultural College, May 6th. There is also the PLumton Bee Fair on 21st May. Meon Valley have an Auction on April 29th On 14 Mar 2000 01:52:57 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > >>Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping >>equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. >> >>I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any >>forthcoming sales. > >You might want to contact Sheila Berrett >owner of Bees & Things, Clay Lane, Chichester. Phone 01243 576710, e-mail >bees-things@FSBDial.co.uk > >Regards, >Ralph Harrison >Western Connecticut Beekeepers Associaton >Milford, CT USA Article 23609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Buckfast Rule Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953079432 12.72.44.250 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23609 I hate to see blanket statements like this. First off, tell us how many colonies and under what conditions you tested to conclude that the Buckfast is the "best bee". I'll argue that the "best" bee is the one that has best adapted to your environment and has the characteristics that are important to you. This may not be a choice of only race (although this is a good place to start), but of individuals. Some queens just don't display the expected characteristics of the race. The Buckfast may have been the "best" bee for Br. Adam, but it is not for everyone. If it was, we would have no need for other races and strains and the Weavers would be the MicroSoft of the bee world. In the hands of a beginner that can't tell if the queen in his colony is the same Buckfast queen he purchased, then the Buckfast is among the worst choices. If the original poster is reluctant to do thorough inspections because of being "somewhat allergic", then a hybrid such as Buckfast is probably a bad choice. In the coming months we will begin to see the posts asking "Why are my Buckfasts suddenly aggressive?". Getting back to the original post, I would second Dave Green on the Carniolan for the northern climate if gentleness is of primary concern. Being a true race (Buckfast is not), genetic characteristics will be more predictable down generations. Like Dave though, I don't keep them as I find that my mongrel Italians are gentle, consistently produce over 200 lbs, and winter well in our short mild winters. But I wouldn't recommend them to everyone. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Go for it. They are the best bees! Actually they've been bred for > disease resistance, low propolis production, good honey production, > gentleness. Best all round bee. > > I'm in the N.E. and we generally saw disappointing honey production > last year due to drought & heat. Many friends got little or no honey. I > got 70lbs/hive. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEEDBA.6616FF8C@beemaster.com> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help----please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:00:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 953074854 151.198.241.229 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:00:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:00:54 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23610 FLEAS, like other insects will suffocate with soapy water. Just hook at fertilizer treatment jar to your hose, fill it with dishwashing soap and spray all over your trouble areas. This will clog the flea's pores and they will die. More help, visit my NOVICE BEEKEEPING COURSE at http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm - over 30 pages and 200 photos - good luck. John the Beemaster like-life wrote: > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my > garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty Article 23611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 72 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953079430 12.72.44.250 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23611 I inadvertently replied back to the poster's e-mail so I am also posting back to the newsgroup. I assume the statement in your second paragraph is your conclusion and the authors have not come right out and said that bumble bees are native to Australia. In the quote you do attribute to the authors, you can not safely conclude that they are claiming native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. They do say "...bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds...", but nowhere does it claim they are native. The earlier reference to "native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates" could be referring to moths, flies, bats and hummingbirds. You can only infer the 2 statements can be taken together but that may be out of context with what the author is saying. There is a term in logic for the kind of argument you are making, but I can't recall from over 20 years ago, maybe "slippery-slope". I am not arguing for the accuracy of the program or authorities sited, only the answer to your final question. I will agree that it makes no since for the authors to argue that non-native honeybees displace native pollinators and then argue that other non-native pollinators do a better job than honeybees. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com... > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed > in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever > claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. > According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" > (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job > of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little > long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: > "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a > hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace > native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates-from flowers but they do so > without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or > native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora > requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit-buzz pollination-and > honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and > native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas > bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large > fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although > honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite > abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some > pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) > Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees > routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? > John Mitchell Article 23612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEE4A5.1F504EE4@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Rule References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:18:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 953083086 204.186.179.34 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:18:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:18:06 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23612 I agree for the most part. I only had one Buckfast hive (out of six) that dissapointed me. They are a great bee and the only queen that I buy anymore. However, for gentleness nothing beats the Midnite bees. I started 5 years ago with two Midnite hives and had excellent honey production. The only negative is their love of propolis but even that wasn't as bad as I was led to expect. Article 23613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 01:19:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314201933.02150.00001014@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23613 George said: <> Giving your interpretation the benefit of the doubt, it's terribly misleading to slip a generic reference to bumblebees on another continent into an otherwise concise paragraph about pollination of Australian flora. But the authors are much better writers than that; otherwise, this book wouldn't be as influential as it has become. That's why I take the meaning at face value: Australian bumblebees out-perform exotic honey bees. My argument is not "slippery-slope." It is their science that is slip-shod. John Mitchell Article 23614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.nyu.edu!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:10:20 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 953032048 203.37.7.82 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:07:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:07:28 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23614 I am as usual totally at a loss to understand where these experts get there information from. But unlike Bill they seem to inhale. My bee books name four common Australian Native Bees 1. Resin Bee 2. Solitary Resin Bee 3. Blue Banded Bee 4. Native Stingless Social Bee. But there are some 2000 types of Native Bee in Australia, and I have never heard any of them referred to as a BumbleBee, though I've only been keeping bees for 10 years and am over 40 years old so I'd reckon I'd have read or heard some reference other than Turner TV by now. As for the Commercial Bees not being effective Pollinators of Eucalypts and such, somewhere here I have an article on reafforestation groups using commercial hives to ensure a good seed set in stands of desirable Eucalypts. I'll try and find this and 'post it' -- Barry Metz JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com... > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed > in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever > claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. > According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" > (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job > of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little > long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: > "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a > hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace > native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates-from flowers but they do so > without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or > native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora > requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit-buzz pollination-and > honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and > native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas > bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large > fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although > honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite > abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some > pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) > Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees > routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? > John Mitchell Article 23615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Save the Autralian bumblebee Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:59:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23615 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) According to Buchmann and Nabhan, native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. John Mitchell Article 23616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23616 Hi! This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of Buckfast bees? Article 23617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Melting Honey Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:46:53 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.195.239.170 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23617 I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. What would be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without harming the properties of the honey. Terry Article 23618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:07 +0300 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.parma.ru Message-ID: <38ce47a5@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 14 Mar 2000 17:08:31 +0300, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!rosnet!news.glas.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip36.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23618 There is one more way to move beehives on 500 m.. I read about it. He can use, if there is no opportunity to make it by two steps. Possibly to sleep of bees by carbonic gas or ether. When a bee wake up they will forget where there was the beehive. If burn a rags impregnated by ammoniac nitrate (saltpeter; NH4NO3), a smoke will be formed, which can too do bees sleepy. Enough 2-3 stream of such smoke. A bee should fall on bottom. Through 5-30 minutes they wake up (depending on quantity of a smoke and access of fresh air). The large concentration of a smoke can do harm to bees. All this theory: I have never used it. Andrey Barry Metz writes: >From experience and research I doubt very much the three days of rain >theory. It is generally accepted that there are only two ways to move the >hives being > 1. Move them a distance of more than 8 km overnight and >unload by sunrise if possible > 2. For short moves ( in the same yard) about 3-5M at a >time(/day). or for a short move i.e. less than 8 km, take two days about >4/5 days apart on day one move them 8Km or so, then on day two bring them >back to the desired location >But I really cant see any point in moving the bees 500 metres, perhaps you >could elaborate on your reasons > >-- >Barry Metz Article 23619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:45:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23619 I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. Gregory nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:44:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23620 I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. Gregory nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 01:58:25 GMT References: <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314205825.02167.00001199@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23621 November is way too late for Apistan around here in the NE. A hole bored in the top box of the hive sure helps with dampness and ventillation as does a little pitch forward. Windbreaks are a good thing. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEBEDF.31C3F146@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:36:15 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn19.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 953090857 88 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23622 Hi! Dave and George are right, The Buckfast do great here in eastern Va.. I don't know how they would do where you are but I have no problem at all. George did mention about aggressive Buckfast. I had no problem last year until Sept. when I requeened, and one hive became a little snotty in oct, but I hope I will change that this Sept. L.E.G. Gregory wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? Article 23623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:48:31 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bradford Pear Trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn19.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 953091591 88 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23623 Hi A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. Thanks in advance for your help L.E.G. Article 23624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:35:17 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38cf03e2.3019921@news.tco.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23624 On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:14 -0500, Gregory wrote: >Hi! >This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to >a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee >stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable >pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than >Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast >bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite >resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from >anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the >opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of >Buckfast bees? Get some from north of the border it legal and make sure that they bring them acriss the border t ship them. Expect a late June shipping date. If you need a address let my know. Dan > Article 23625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF00BF.DC386443@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:17:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp32.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:17:55 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23625 In an old refrigerator or similar, put a 40W light bulb and leave it in there burning for a day or two. Thom TJ wrote: > > I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. What would > be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without harming the > properties of the honey. > > Terry Article 23626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CE7DFE.1DDFAC7A@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's Yazbeck about?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:46:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953056013 24.112.144.102 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:46:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:46:53 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23626 Has anyone done business with yazbeck.com? Anyone in Canada?? I visited their website and could not believe the prices. I see that they are looking for U.S. distributors - any of them around? Thanks, Glen Archer Article 23627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:16:58 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p87.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 953063649 27782 203.96.192.215 (14 Mar 2000 19:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 19:54:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23627 Greetings all Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether to post this here, but there may be some who are interested. i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are larger non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable Garlic Butter Fried Bees 1/4c butter or cooking oil 6 cloves garlic 1c cleaned bees (larvae) Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the garlic for 5 minsor till slightly brown. add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, stirring occassionally. Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be served as snack any time or packaged like nuts. bon appetit carman Article 23628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Message-ID: <953074755@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:58 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89f296a0 REPLY: 240:44/0 13552158 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(116) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 953101927 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23628 I have made recessed hand grips using craft knife & chisels. There has to be an easier way. 2 tips you may find useful. 1. Undercut the top edge a little to give your fingers a better grip. 2. Remember that the bees do not always distribute the weight evenly within the hive. With grips placed centrally the hive may tend to tip when you carry it. Assuming you are right handed (a 9:1 chance) try making the hand hold about two thirds of the way along each side (working from left to right on the board) as you make it. Thus when you lift the right hand will be a little further away and the left nearer to the body. This gives you much more control of the uneven weight and makes better use of your relative strength and weakness. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:38:20 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-125.california.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 953145573 5150 62.137.56.125 (15 Mar 2000 18:39:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:39:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23629 Gregory wrote in message news:38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com... From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition ---------------------------------------------- OK if you do not mind buying new queens regularly as they will not stay true. 1st crosses are often very bad tempered. You might do better to find a local beekeeper with a good local strain. Article 23630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.via.net!24.0.94.134.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying used equipment. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953145565 24.112.144.102 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:39:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:39:25 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23630 This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen Archer. Article 23631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:35:11 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-125.california.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 953145571 5150 62.137.56.125 (15 Mar 2000 18:39:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:39:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23631 Einar Bernth wrote in message news:gxUy4.603$pp1.12505@news.get2net.dk... > Hi Gerard, > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > flight of orientation. Good luck, > Einar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- I cannot agree with this advice. 3 weeks of non-flying due to cold weather, yes - but not three days. On distance - I have always worked on the 3 feet or 3 miles principle, but have still had some bees return from 3 miles. Moving across a garden is best done in small moves (3 feet) a day - but sometimes the bees will still return to the original site after several moves. Probably best to move them over 3 miles (put them on a good crop and get some honey!) for a month and then bring them back to their new site. Article 23632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFEE57.84B492AB@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> <38CF88B2.34814E79@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:11:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:11:37 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23632 Bradford pears are strictly ornamental, they do not produce nectar nor pollen attractive to any bees. Very pretty but like many hybrids.. all show and nothing else. Thom Bradley "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" wrote: > > We have a 20 foot tall Bradford Pear in our back yard (near Memphis, > Tennessee, USA) and I made a special attempt to watch it a few times during > this spring's bloom. It was loaded with blossoms that looked so attractive > to me but the bees must have thought otherwise. I never saw a single > honeybee working it. > > Caveat: My bees are not in my back yard and I don't know where the closest > hive (managed or feral) might be located. > > Bill > > "L.E.G." wrote: > > > Hi > > A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us > > here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my > > shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have > > to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > > Thanks in advance for your help > > L.E.G. Article 23633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Quality RAM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment.-BEWARE Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38cfe3d7.1248541@news.earthlink.net> References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:16:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953151418 209.245.2.80 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:16:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:16:58 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23633 Archer, After frequenting ads placed on this newsgoup in hopes of saving pennies, "Buyer Beware" is the first point you should observe. Twice I've purchased used hives and equipment from out-of-state sellers: A hobbyist from New Mexico 'quitting because of varroa' turned out to have EFB throughout his 30+ deeps. Learning about AFB & EFB is an invaluable source of information, but most would prefer to learn on the wings of others. I'm certain this 'bee-haver' didn't intentionally pass on diseased equipment, but the cost was still on my shoulders after the equipment was purchased and the disease discovered. My second purchase was some 150 supers from a guy in Minnesota. We negotiated over the phone and talked at length on various bee topics. Feeling confident I would receive what we agreed, money was sent as deposit and several weeks later this fellow showed up to deliver. What he had was 50% usable and the rest, literally trash. The 50 or so deeps were sifted rejects - every one a tell-tale different color top-bar. Each frame ranged from broken ears, mouse damage, split bars, ratty foundation, Duragilt bee chew-down - you name it. The supers turned out to have 7 to 8 frames on average, on a ten-frame super - along with approx. 10% Duragilt chew-down on the remaining frames. The $400 extractor which he claimed was "slow to get started" had every bearing out. Although these purchases are character building, I'm certainly not proud of these 'bargains'. Build your own gear or BE SURE of the person you're buying and the condition of the equipment - along with the agreement of sale. Know whom is responsible (in writing) if you buy AFB/EFB. Know how many frames per super you're agreeing to. Know whom has the right of refusal if the purchaser doesn't like what they see (again, in writing). For the most part, beekeepers are an honest bunch. But don't trust everybody. Ignorance has it's price. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:25 GMT, Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> wrote: >This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of >money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive >collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There >is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to >an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames >have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 >clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation >replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I >remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal >but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen >Archer. (PS - wax damage is easy to clean if you have plastic foundation or plastic frames. Just scrape it down and feed the bees heavily to re-draw them out. If you're looking at old wax or Duragilt, you may as well add these to your solar-melter. When the old foundation has melted out, see if you can't pop in new plastic foundation in without too much trouble. Likely your best option is to start fresh with new frames & foundation and re-use the hive-bodies. Scorch the insides of the boxes and pay attention to corners and frame-rests.) Article 23634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D00C0E.CE8095CB@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment.-BEWARE References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> <38cfe3d7.1248541@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:05:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953157912 24.112.144.102 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:05:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:05:12 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23634 Matthew, Thanks for the tip. I have inspected all the equipment, and apart from the wax-moth damaged frames everything seems fine. The fellow is a respected member of a local beekeeping club and seems okay to me and was referred to me by a few different members. He is going to ask our local inspector about the equipment as well. All in all it seems like a good deal, just being new at this I am leary of that wax-moth damage. Thanks again, Glen. Article 23635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: color of nuc boxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:20:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.107.239 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 953162442 142.165.107.239 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:20:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:20:42 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23635 I'm planning to make up quite a few nucs this year by putting a divider in the middle of my new honey supers. Also drilling a 1" hole on either side for an entrance for each half. Now i need to paint, I was wondering if anybody new what colors were the best so the Queen would recognize her entrance easier. Any suggestions would be helpful. Joe Edwards Article 23636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:45:36 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ap70j$742$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> <38CF00BF.DC386443@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdt48.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 953163603 7298 62.188.6.253 (15 Mar 2000 23:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:40:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23636 In my old refrigerator I included an adjustable aquarium thermostat and as it's a big chest freezer, two 60W light bulbs in the bottom to spread out the heating. It can then be set to melt without damaging. The original wire baskets are upside down in the bottom so the tubs of honey are raised and in easier reach. Mine runs at about 50C which softens wax enough that you can put tubs with taps fitted, full of cut out set combs (I get lots of OSR (=colza)) in and later run the honey out of the tap. The waxy remains goes onto the hot melting tray later. Martin Buckle. Thom Bradley wrote ... > In an old refrigerator or similar, put a 40W light bulb and leave it in > there burning for a day or two. > > TJ wrote: > > > > I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized....etc> > Terry Article 23637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:35:50 GMT References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000315203550.02534.00002271@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23637 >There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 >clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation >replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I >remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal >but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen >Archer. When I first got into the bee business I had about $300. I was at an auction for a beekeeper who had gone out of business about five years earlier. Most of the equipment was in really bad shape save the boxes that were sealed in a once fumigated comb room. these went for up to $5,000 a lot. Of course I couldn't afford any of that so after all was said and done I asked the auctioneer what they planned to do with all the things that were laying around in piles outside. He asked if I wanted it and of course I said yes so I got it for about $600 which I didn't even have at the time. Before everyone left I had salvaged and sold about $1200 worth of pallets, presses, and hidden syrup tanks. But to get to the chase I saved about 800 usable boxes and about 150 boxes worth of frames. To date(that was 6 years ago) all I have ever done to those boxes and frames was to scrape them clean and rewax them. Wax moths don't carry any disease. The only things you have to worry about is foulbrood so just treat extra heavy with terramycin until you feel comfortable. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Amy Moye" References: Subject: Re: help----please Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:01:16 -0500 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust174.tnt4.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.31.145.174 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23638 "like-life" wrote in message news:lVwz4.567$fL1.117319@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... Try Spectracide (diazinon) or Dursban (chlorpyrifos) granules. They are both toxic to bees but should not come into contact with the bees since they are spread out as dry granules onto the ground and move into the soil with water. You can check out toxicity of pesticides to honeybees at: http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/agchem/chptr5/501.PDF Also treat your pets at the same time. If you have a "closed environment" your pets are confined to your yard and no other pets can come in, then you can use Program (lufenuron) on your pets. This is a once a month tablet that inhibits chitin formation. Chitin is the exoskeleton of an insect. To get lufenuron, fleas take a blood meal from your dog or cat. Honeybees obviously will not be exposed to lufenuron. Note: this may take several weeks (6 or 8) to work. You can also use Frontline (fipronil) or Advantage (can't remember active ingredient) on your pets back once a month. Program/Frontline/Advantage are veterinarian sold products and are the best. Permethrin containing products do not work well where I live. > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my > garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty > Depends on pest. Whenever pest is from the insect order Lepidoptera (larvae - pupae - moth or butterfly) there's a good chance that products containing Bacillus thuringiensis will work (Dipel). This is not a pesticide, but rather a bug disease. It gives the larvae gastroenteritis and they stop eating. See http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/agchem/agchem.html for recommendations in my state. Your state may have similar. > > Article 23639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Moye" Subject: Want to buy or make extractor. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:08:05 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust174.tnt4.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.31.145.174 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23639 Does anyone have a good used radial extractor for sale 10 frames or less? or Has anyone built a homemade extractor that works well. I am not interested in using products like trash cans or hardware cloth that are not food grade material. However stainless steel, wood, or food grade plastic, would be satisfactory. Article 23640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: "UJobBank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.en Subject: University Job Bank (www.UJobBank.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:07:23 -0500 Organization: None Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8apm98$18aj$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unit18.iwr.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:41173 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23640 sci.agriculture.fruit:3449 sci.agriculture.poultry:20641 sci.anthropology:77313 sci.anthropology.paleo:42858 sci.aquaria:31587 sci.archaeology:146781 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:12095 sci.astro:270841 sci.astro.amateur:378208 sci.bio.botany:12738 sci.bio.ecology:54060 For your information: The following new websites have been launched. 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University Job Bank website: http://www.UJobBank.com (for full-time faculty and staff positions) Post-Doctoral positions website: http://www.Post-Docs.com Graduate Assistantship website: http://www.GradAsst.com Article 23641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38CF7E67.FD1CFDE7@together.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:13:28 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 15 Mar 2000 07:29:44 -0500, dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 26 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23641 I'll never buy another Buckfast Queen. Granted they did well for a time-resistant to TM, built up well in the spring. Trouble is that they aren't the same bee as they used to be. I know several commercial keepers who just won't bother with Weaver Buckfast again. Too many colonies requeened with them this year have failing queens again next year. All you Buckfasters blast me right out of the water if it makes you feel better, but after purchasing thousands of them over the last 10 years, I'm all done. The Weaver Buckfast isn't really the "Buckfast " bee anymore. It may have Buckfast blood in its past, but is only a shadow of its former self. Mike Gregory wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? Article 23642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF88B2.34814E79@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:57:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.98 X-Trace: news2.mco 953125065 209.214.198.98 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:57:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:57:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23642 We have a 20 foot tall Bradford Pear in our back yard (near Memphis, Tennessee, USA) and I made a special attempt to watch it a few times during this spring's bloom. It was loaded with blossoms that looked so attractive to me but the bees must have thought otherwise. I never saw a single honeybee working it. Caveat: My bees are not in my back yard and I don't know where the closest hive (managed or feral) might be located. Bill "L.E.G." wrote: > Hi > A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us > here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my > shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have > to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. Article 23643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:59:53 GMT References: <953074755@zbee.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000315075953.03252.00002222@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23643 >I have made recessed hand grips using craft knife & chisels. There has to be >an easier way. 2 tips you may find useful. > 1. Undercut the top edge a little to give your fingers a better grip. I've made many a handhold with a wobble blade. First you C-clamp boards on the saw table to get the correct placement, and put your fence in the right position. Then carefully lay down the box on top of the blade. Undercuts aren't possible with this setup, unfortunately. You need more sophisticated equipment for that. And I agree that undercuts are very nice. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 13:04:06 GMT References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000315080406.03252.00002225@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23644 From: "L.E.G." gmt@crosslink.net >Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have >to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if >any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. I doubt it. -Plus the bradford pear is not really going to give you much shade. How about a tulip poplar instead? Fast growing, beautiful form, dense shade, fairly strong, and lots of nectar when it blooms. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:46:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 15 14:46:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.73 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23645 In article <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > Greetings all > > Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the > following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether to post > this here, but there may be some who are interested. > i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are larger > non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable > > Garlic Butter Fried Bees > > 1/4c butter or cooking oil > 6 cloves garlic > 1c cleaned bees (larvae) > > Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the garlic > for 5 minsor till slightly brown. > add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, stirring > occassionally. > Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. > The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and > tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be served as > snack any time or packaged like nuts. > > bon appetit > carman > Sounds okay to me, Carman! I've eaten drone larvae right out of the cell when I was looking for mites. But what is this about "cleaned bees." When we "clean" a chicken, rabbit, or any other animal we take out the guts. Sounds like a very tedious job with drone larvae!! :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38D0D5B6.7D340977@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:38:14 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Subject: Re: Buying used equipment. References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p3-28.clinic.net X-Trace: 16 Mar 2000 07:38:08 -0500, d-p3-28.clinic.net Lines: 30 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p3-28.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23646 Glen & Zoe wrote: > > This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of > money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive > collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There > is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to > an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames > have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 > clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation > replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I > remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal > but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen > Archer. I bought all my initial equipment through a reputable beekeeper. It had AFB and had to burn everything. Only good thing was the seller refunded my money and let me keep the extras- suit, smoker and hive tool. Bought new and have never regretted it. You have peace of mind. Forget about treating with terramycine to cover AFB if it is there in old equipment. It will be there after you stop. I do not recommend new beekeepers buy used. Too many problems you can inherit. After several years of beekeeping, then you know what to look for with used equipment. Plus, unfortunately hives, frames, bottom and top covers are not all standard. If you buy from one of the national companies, like Kelly which I like, you will have interchangeable equipment. Bill T Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 23647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:43:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.226.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953214225 209.245.226.8 (Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:43:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:43:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23647 "Mike Montgomery" wrote: >Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the >basics. Photos and some design tips for observation hives may be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/obs1.htm and the page following it. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 23648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:28:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38D0FD81.9BE099F6@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> <38CE8A0A.B1967FF@netins.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23648 I use a cypress stand, a standard reversible bottom board, an entrance reducer/mouse guard, and slatted rack under two hive bodies, a std. inner cover and telescoping top. Each hive body is wrapped in a single layer of tar paper. Both hives are in the same location, one had water the other was OK. The one without was tilted forward (entrance lower than the back slightly). After shaking out the water from the combs I repositioned the weak hive with the same slope and shimmed the top cover for more ventilation, on both. I am located in SE Michigan(Ann Arbor) Since My last post I've re-entered the hive to check the queen and she appears quite sluggish despite the unseasonably warm weather. There's very little brood and almost no eggs. Hope this helps, Gregory David wrote: > Could you describe what your hive setup was that caused so much water in it? It may be helpful for others to know. > Thanks > > Gregory wrote: > > > > I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water > > in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor > > of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. > > Gregory > > > > nwolfe wrote: > > > > > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > > > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > > > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > > > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > > > at this location survived > > > > > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > > > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > > > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > > > and the workers threw them out. > > > > > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > > > > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > > > fair price, before the worms set in? > > > > > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small extractor, uncap.plane for sale -- c. NY Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 17:16:29 GMT References: <38CD7880.55245DBE@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316121629.00659.00001447@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23649 Hi Joel Did you sell that extractor yet I have been looking for a nice little radial extractor and your not to far away from me with in a days drive I would be real interested in buying it from you but I know I can't get up there for the next couple of weekends. I can work something out for the middle of next week if that will work for you ....I'm in Danbury CT I presently have 2 hives that made it through there first winter and they were out collecting pollen yesterday I am starting 3 more this april. I did get 65 lbs last year and I had to borrow a extrator so I have been looking on this board for quite sometime. I just hope that I'm not to late. I am interested in both the uncapping plane and the extractor if you still have them. Let me know and I'll work with you to set up a date for me to come pick it up.... Thanks Jim jpa555@aol.com Article 23650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: color of nuc boxes Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:24:18 GMT References: <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000315202418.02534.00002269@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23650 >Now i need to paint, I was >wondering if anybody new what colors were the best so the Queen would >recognize her entrance easier. Any suggestions would be helpful. >Joe Edwards Actually multi colored hives work best but are not too practical. Don't worry to much about the Queen finding her way back. That what bees do best. Just make sure that you make the hives as different as possible. Landmarks like trees and anything else are great. Also facing the entrances in different directions helps out. Usually in addition I use a Mean Streak to draw shapes on front of the hives. Triangles, squares, etc. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:08:35 GMT References: <8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316130835.06271.00000187@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23651 I have given up on Buckfasts myself due to the fact that I am an urban beekeeper and the supercedures can be a bit mean. This is not limited to the Buckfast strain and can happen with any line of bees. Weavers always treated me well and took care of any problems promptly and I kinda miss doing business with them. I am using York midnites these days and any gentle mongrel stock that I have. Requeening is good advice every bee book reccomends it and for good reason. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hobbyist Equipment Question Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:49:35 GMT References: <8am4nt$63n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316134935.02853.00002127@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23652 <> Do you make an effort to keep the brood boxes separate from the honey storage supers? Some people have posted here that it is important to avoid contamination of honey supers with darkened comb (from brood), and to keep medical treatments separate from the honey supers. Cheers, John Article 23653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan and reversing Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:35:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316133539.02853.00002124@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23653 If I am going to reverse hive bodies, do I want to wait until after that procedure to put the Apistan in? Does it make any difference if I already have strips in? Thanks in advance, John Article 23654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:45:52 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p54.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 953245378 8428 203.96.192.182 (16 Mar 2000 22:22:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:22:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23654 wrote in message news:8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz>, > "Carman" wrote: > > Greetings all > > > > Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the > > following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether > to post > > this here, but there may be some who are interested. > > i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are > larger > > non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable > > > > Garlic Butter Fried Bees > > > > 1/4c butter or cooking oil > > 6 cloves garlic > > 1c cleaned bees (larvae) > > > > Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the > garlic > > for 5 minsor till slightly brown. > > add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, > stirring > > occassionally. > > Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. > > The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and > > tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be > served as > > snack any time or packaged like nuts. > > > > bon appetit > > carman > > > Sounds okay to me, Carman! I've eaten drone larvae right out of > the cell when I was looking for mites. But what is this about "cleaned > bees." When we "clean" a chicken, rabbit, or any other animal we take > out the guts. Sounds like a very tedious job with drone larvae!! :-) > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Greetings Herb what do they taste like? and why did you feel inspired to try them? I'm surprised at the amount of garlic suggested in the recipe I've noticed how the larvae seem to be quite fluid-like when crushed so i imagine them to be fairly runny consistency inside carman Article 23655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help----please Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:33:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316173347.02519.00002790@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23655 > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... Beneficial nematodes are useful on ground-dwelling larvae such as fleas and beetles--Ortho makes one that comes as a granule. It's a little expensive, but truly will not harm bees or any other beneficial insects. When I worked as a landscaper, we used nematodes to treat all kinds of lawn grubs and larvae--with great success. The problem with chemical pesticides is that, although they may not actually contact and kill any bees (assuming you don't have clover or dandylions blooming yet), they will kill off most of your ground-dwelling beneficials, including earthworms. Also, depending on where you live (city or country?) you may want to see if there are any rabbit warrens in the area. Rabbits can be a continuing source of flea problems, and treating for the fleas without getting rid of the rabbits means that the fleas will just come right back. (Probably worse than before if you use chemical pesticides that kill off any beneficials that would help control the flea population.) > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my >garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty > As one poster mentioned, Bt is good for some insects. Aphids are best addressed by simply washing them off with a blast of water from the hose. If you do this regularly, the remaining aphids will help keep your predator insect populations high, while minimizing damage to roses. There is no "magic bullet" when it comes to gardening--even non organic gardening. There is lots of info on non toxic gardening here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/rge/main.htm or just look at the rec.gardens.ecosytems newsgroup. One of the moderators works at the Los Angeles arboretum in the Rose Garden, which is maintained organically. They have more info on managing pests on roses at: http://victorian-rose.org Organic gardening methods (or at least IPM or Integrated Pest Management--see http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu) will not only save your bees, but also lots of other beneficial insects in your garden. It's worth the extra effort it takes to learn the techniques, IMHO. HTH, Kelly Article 23656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie hygiene Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:14:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.56.164.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 16 23:14:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.56.164.37 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkennyp3618 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23656 Although it's still wet & cool here in western WA state (highs in the 50s) the pussy willows are starting to bloom & I got in yesterday to do some spring cleaning (feed, reverse the hive bodies, treat with apistan, fumadil & menthol and clean the bottom board). The hive was clustered in the upper hive body. The middle frames of the lower hive body are empty & pretty moldy. Do I have to burn out the foundation or is it safe to add? Is this a stupid question? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Mar 2000 00:00:56 GMT References: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316190056.21845.00001155@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23657 Too cold for menthol, Bees will clean up moldy frames and comb just fine. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:56:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254658 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23658 In article <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Probably best to move them over 3 miles (put them on a good crop and get >some honey!) for a month and then bring them back to their new site. Yes. The thing is to get as many old bees flying as possible and orientate to the new site before moving the hive(s) back. How long you leave them depends on how many go out flying. If the number is decreasing as the brood nest expands then the time can be short. If there is one really warm day, then you could take them immediately after that. They seem to wipe their memories completely holding only one map. They do remember landmarks differently, hence the 3 miles or more recommended (5km). I set up a new apiary of 8 hives and to my horror, found it became a bog the day after (there had been heavy rain for a few days beforehand, and the site was dry when we set it up and when we moved the hives). I decided I could move them completely just over a mile away to another new apiary as I did not believe they had foraged any distance in view of the ambient temperatures of around 12 or 13 degrees over the 2 weeks. It is a marvellous sight to see them immediately orientating once released. There were no signs of bees returning to the old site, which I have now moved about 20 yards to a dry location. -- James Kilty Article 23659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Save the Autralian bumblebee Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254659 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23659 In article <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed >in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever >claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. I seem to have had this posting 3 times. -- James Kilty Article 23660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:29:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254660 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23660 In article <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net>, kent stienburg writes >I have tried Buckfast bees also. I found that they lived up to the hype >but in all of my cases when they superceded undesirable characteristics >came out. If you want to keep them I would suggest re-queening >annually. I have gone back to Carniolans. (If you are in the UK) I wish more Brits would get together to bring out the native bee characteristics. The black bee is docile, contrary to many authors. If beekeepers in an area combined resources, life would be easier. But even if they don't, matings can be within race as the queens and drones fly in colder weather, so can mate at different times than other races do. The problem of temper can be resolved by being ruthless in culling where temper is bad. this means rearing more than you need. I know it's easier in West Cornwall than the S.E. of England, where imports continue and cross breeding is rampant. Where are you anyway? If you are not in the UK the choice of race must depend on your climate pattern. Ask where does the race originate? What is the climate and forage there throughout the year? If yours is similar, then they should do well. Whilst acknowledging Bro Adam's contribution to our understanding of bee breeding, I am willing to stick my neck out as a heretic and suggest he went down a breeding dead end. He dismissed our native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out with disease. We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is right, it holds the record for honey production in the UK, in spite of imports, Buckfasts and the like. Do people anywhere do proper scientific researches on the productivity of different races in different localities and propensity to disease, over several seasons? Now that would be nice to know. Obviously migratory and static beekeeping could give different results. Now, will the axe fall? -- James Kilty Article 23661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Mar 2000 01:29:24 GMT References: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316202924.01808.00000369@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23661 From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com >The hive was >clustered in the upper hive body. The middle frames of the lower hive >body are empty & pretty moldy. Do I have to burn out the foundation or >is it safe to add? Is this a stupid question? The only stupid question, Kenny, is the one that isn't asked. I would not destroy the comb; bees can clean up mold, as soon as they get a decent flow; you'll be surprised how fast they will clean it up. However, the mold does indicate a damp, unhealthy environment. Maybe it's an impossibility, given your location, but you might work on better ventilation next fall, for wintering. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:29:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23662 James Kilty wrote: > > > (If you are in the UK) I wish more Brits would get together to bring out the native bee characteristics. The black bee is docile, contrary to > many authors. If beekeepers in an area combined resources, life would be easier. But even if they don't, matings can be within race as the queens and drones fly in colder weather, so can mate at different times than other races do. The problem of temper can be resolved by being ruthless in culling where temper is bad. this means rearing more than you need. Where are you anyway? If you are not in the UK the choice of race must depend on your climate pattern. Ask where does the race originate? What is the climate and forage there throughout the year? If yours is similar, then they should do well. I am willing to stick my neck out as a > heretic and suggest he went down a breeding dead end. He dismissed our > native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out with disease. > We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is right, it holds the record for honey production in the UK, in spite of imports, Buckfasts and the like. > Do people anywhere do proper scientific researches on the productivity > of different races in different localities and propensity to disease, > over several seasons? Now that would be nice to know. Obviously > migratory and static beekeeping could give different results. > Hi James, Well for your first question I am located in Ontario Canada. I agree with your remark regarding using bees that do well in your own climate. I have always felt that is important. I think if you can find a local breeder it might be a bit easier but finding a breeder who's strain you like is the important issue. I won't tell anyone not to try any of the different strains of bees that are around for the simple fact that you pointed out, you have to find the strain that works for you in your areas. Apis carnica seem to do well here for me. The tendency for them to swarm keeps me on my toes :-). I also agree that to think of any bee now as being pure is false. With the amount of cross breeding and such I believe it is difficult to maintain pureness. I wish you Brits would get together and help your native bee :-) I think it would be interesting to see what their characteristics are. I'm not sure by culling out bees such as the Buckfast would reduce the temper since the bee never existed naturally. I think it would be easier done if the strain had the tendency already. I don't think that many of us have the time nor ability to develop a proper statistical or scientific study on our findings in our bee yards. I'm sure t