Article 24611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:48:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8eignt$gi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <8e7d1o$kpm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.68 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 23:48:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.68 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24611 In the spirit of helping a new 1 hive beekeeper perhaps we could start by putting the cynicism aside for say a plastic discussion.. Glenn, The entrance reducer is meant to do only that. the tiny 1" mode or the wider 3 or 4" one. take your pick, if it's still cold maybe use the smaller one. The entrance feeders work alright but not with the entrance reducer. I would suggest using the feeder one side of the whole entrance then craft a block that will sit on the bottom board and leave an inch or two open on the other end for an entrance. a 2x4 for instance just resting on the landing board. the goal would be to keep the actual entrance and the feeder seperated and not together. This will help discourage enemy visitor bees. As far as the cold goes: If its cold at night they won't be down there. IF you have an empty deep super you could take the entrance feeder,place it on the inner cover right near the hole and put the empty super over it and cover the hive. They'll use the feeder during the night. Good method for feeding over all as it get's used during all types of weather until late fall/early winter when it gets too cold anyway. That make sense at all? Mike In article <8e7d1o$kpm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Glenn West wrote: > In article <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net>, > "THE WHITNEY'S" wrote: > > > > I'm Looking for some help on setting up the entrance reducer for a > first > > time hive ( and a first time beekeeper). The bee's are only day's > away! > > > > I noticed that the entrance feeder is the same size as the opening > for the > > 4" entrance. How do the bee's get past the feeder. I have a standard > Dadant > > hive with a entrance reducer with three options. 3/4" 4" or > nothing. > > > > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, > taking > > in mind I have a entrance feeder. > > I think the idea is to use one or the other but not both at the same > time. > > > > > About to be stung and I can't wait > > > > Thanks Tom W. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Message-ID: References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:43:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957141785 4.33.104.103 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24612 Simon de Vet wrote: >At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor >beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to >ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the >wall. >Anyone else seen hives like this? > >Anyone have one of their own? :) Yes, and observation hives are relatively easy to build. Pictures of several observation hives that I designed and built are on my web site (below), along with some design tips. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package does not want to go down Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4146-390CCF5D-35@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <20000430182850.14580.00001255@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRJP23DmGol/pPoZuPjMfj9aZf9jAIVAJftw+2EPk95HB0fKDcRbNGAgY7n Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24613 If you shook them down again and used an entrance feeder, you could check for your queen on the frames of foundation. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 01:17:20 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 41 Message-ID: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> References: <390cbfba$2_1@news.arrakis.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.165 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957143887 62584 194.29.52.165 (1 May 2000 01:18:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 01:18:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24614 On Mon, 1 May 2000 01:20:48 +0200, "aaaaaaa" wrote: >Estimado/a @migo/a: > >@groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada >el 1 de Mayo del 2000, con dos excelentes noticias: > >1) Poseemos nuestro propio dominio, más fácil de recordar: >http://www.agroweb-hispana.com > >2) Hemos superado la barrera de las 4.000 visitas mensuales, ascendiendo el >total de visitas desde que se creo el espacio a 31.413. > >Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: > >@groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas >del algodón. 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Saludos Eberhard http://www.bienen-netz.de http://www.buckfast-imker.de http://www.woersching.net Article 24615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New BEE-servers Become member of Bienen-Netz WEBRING Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 01:29:30 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 5 Message-ID: <390cdda0.9781435@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.165 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957144617 62584 194.29.52.165 (1 May 2000 01:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 01:30:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24615 http://www.bienen-netz.de/Webring/index.htm http://www.bienen-netz.de http://www.buckfast-imker.de http://www.woersching.net Article 24616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm catcher Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:00:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24616 you can try lemongrass oil...contains nassanov-like components...good luck! "yosi_sarid" wrote in message news:00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com... > Hello all. > One of my coloney swarmed high on a pine tree. I heard that > there are few formulations based on Nassanov pheromone. I > will be more than happey to know thire commerical names and > how can i get it? > Best regards > Yosi Sarid > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 02:17:53 GMT References: <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430221753.23652.00000856@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24617 Don't forget bees are tougher in shade than in sun. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:25:23 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8eipuj$b05$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24618 In article , Peter Kerr wrote: >In article <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" > wrote: >> >> For the record, this is dumb idea and will inevitably fail, but it will take >> years to find that out. > >Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so >far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral >hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, >easy to destroy. Mites are extremely adaptive. I'll bet on the mites. >Peter Kerr proficiency in vi >School of Music is a sign of a >University of Auckland mis-spent youth vi is adaptive too. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spanish beekeepers protest Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:31:42 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8eiqae$bdn$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24619 Thanks for this information. It's fascinating how agricultural regulation so often crosses bounds that complicate matters. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 03:13:13 GMT References: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430231313.08509.00000524@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24620 >Hola Javier, > >donde es pagina con abelhas ??? > busqueda "abejas" Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package does not want to go down Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:11:39 GMT References: <20000430182850.14580.00001255@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000501001139.25509.00000664@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24621 They may be balling the queen. Perhaps she was released before they had her essence sufficiently distributed, or she may be damaged in some way that causes them to refuse her. One of my packages balled the queen. When I got her out, she had a damaged wing. I don't know if she was that way or if they dmaged her wing. Article 24622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm catcher Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:15:15 GMT References: <00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000501001515.25509.00000666@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24622 You can order it from Dadant. http://www.dadant.com. Probably from other places as well. I think it is about $6.00 american for 2 packages. Article 24623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Beekeeper Meets a City Lawyer Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:27:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501002719.24911.00000693@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24623 An old beekeeper, with weatherbeaten face, and bib overalls, driving a rusty one-ton truck, collided with a new Mercedes driven by a pasty-faced guy in a business suit. Both vehicles were wrecked; both drivers were shaken up, but neither was hurt. "You old hayseed! I'm gonna sue you for this! Do you know I'm an attorney?" "Waall," drawled the old timer, "I see neither of us was hurt. There's no need to be so upset." Then he reached into his toolbox and pulled out a bottle of wine. "Lookee here! This didn't even get broke...here's a bottle of my best elderberry wine...doncha think we oughter celebrate." "Here," he said, popping the cork, "I propose a toast to our guardian angels." He handed the bottle to the young man. "Well, okay, I guess." The young fellow had stopped breathing hard, but was still shaking. "I suppose I could use some anyway." He took a long draw, then handed back the bottle to the bee man. The old timer recorked the bottle and put it away. "Aren't you gonna drink?" asked the lawyer? "Nope, I'll just wait for the police." Pollinator http://hemingwaysouthcarolina.com http://pollinator.com Article 24624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vegan web site Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:26:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390D0784.2DC0C060@midwest.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24624 David Gladstone wrote: > > > I've just been doing a bit of surfing and quite by accident I've come > across http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info24.html uh oh, here we go again... AL Article 24625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Leon Jordaan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:32:50 +0200 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 14:40:52 +0200, bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24625 Hi Simon, Some years ago I saw an indoor glass enclosed hive at a dealer`s shop in Goodwood, Cape Town, South Africa. This facinated me. I decided to do the same and constructed a nuc hive out of glass and proceded to hive a small swarm of cape bees. This was facinating to watch. They became too big and had to be removed and placed in a normal outdoor hive. I lived in Johannesburg for a while and learned some more. I then constructed a nuc from double layered perspex to keep the temperature more constant. It was only put to use after I moved to a small town called Jagersfontein in the Freestate Province. The hive stood in my study and gave me hours of joy. Unfortunately I am now living in an area where commercial beekeeping can not be practiced and the severe droughts experienced in these parts from time to time can be blamed for this. The bees in this hive were also eventually placed in a proper hive and my little nuc has been empty since then. A few weeks ago a small swarm moved into one of my bird`s nests (I am a birdkeeper and breeder also) and in desperation to save my birds and with nothing else available I hived the bees in this nuc. My study had been changed since the last swarm called it home and for now this swarm is kept outside the house in my garden. Winter is approaching in our area and I will need to make a plan. We do experience -10 C some nights and the hive was not desighned for this. It is the three feet or three mile rule that will be causing me problems as time is running out for me and the bees. I can tell you more of some facinatings things which I observed, but enough for now. More later. Leon Simon de Vet wrote in message news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > wall. > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > ground. > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Simon > Article 24626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:02:04 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24626 some background on the lusbys from 1/98 "bee culture" magazine can be found online at: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html Article 24627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Introduction Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 15:08:24 GMT References: <8ehtf3$s92$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501110824.22330.00001685@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24627 Welcome. I am curious. What are your nectar and pollen plants? Do you have large nectar and pollen flows, and how long is your season? What unique or unusual challenges does beekeeping in Southwest Asia present to you? I think of your area as not really having any substantial winter to speak of, unlike the Northeastern U.S. where I am located. Do you ever get days of frost? Article 24628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:10:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24628 for more on beekeeping with/among ahb in arizona, see 1/98 "bee culture" magazine online at: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan3.html http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html Article 24629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:20:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390af765@news.gj.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:20:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24629 In article <390af765@news.gj.net>, bdigman@cyberport.com wrote: > All, > I can't believe there's a hive sitting on my front porch. I > procrastinated for years, thumbing through catalogs and reading > beekeeping books. A couple of weeks ago a fellow stops by the office > on his way to an elementary school to do a presentation on bees. He > has a brand new package of bees with a neat little queen in a cage and > a shiny new hive in the back of his pickup. I started some sort of > primordial drool. Bees. Honey. Twenty minutes later the lady on the > phone is asking for the expiration date on my credit card. This > craving must be worse than crack. > My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the > catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex > offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store > to paint the hive? Thanks. Sure. I use an exterior waterbased primer. I buy the exterior flat latex topcoat for $1 a quart from the "returned" bin at Lowes or Home Depot. You'll be amazed at how many hive bodies you can paint with a quart of paint. Using light colors will keep the hives coolest in the summer. > > P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers to > such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a > 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new > kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. > > Barry > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:44:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.45.232 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:44:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.45.232 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24630 I went through a hive that hasn't been doing very well and noticed some cells that had 3 eggs in them. Other cells had larvae growing. I did not see the queen but did a month ago. Does this appear to be workers laying eggs or just a bad queen? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: refining beeswax Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:51:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8ek95c$bb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efurb$skj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.209 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:51:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.209 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24631 In article <8efurb$skj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > In article , > "Darren" wrote: > > Am looking for a pointer for information on the web or other source > for > > simple process to refine beeswax... Any help would be greatly > appreciated... > > Darren.. Darren, I'm a small hobbyist beekeeper and consequently clean and use fairly small amounts. Here's what I do: First, I buy the small disposable aluminum bread baking pans (5 in a pack) and float then in a stew pot partially filled with boiling water. Next, I hand pick the easier and larger chunks of debris from the cappings, and then place small blobs of cappings into the floating bread pans. After a few minutes the wax will be completely melted. Add more blobs (and pans, if needed) until all your wax is melted. Next, take a new, clean bread pan and slide it inside the leg of a brand-new pair of ladies nylons. the small pans hold the nylon material open very well. Now, pour the molten wax through the nylon and into the pan. You can slowly turn the nylon around the outside of the pan when the material becomes clogged with debris. After all the wax has been filtered, slide the pan out of the nylon and let it cool. Once the wax is solid, pull outward slightly on the edges of the aluminum pan to release the edges of the wax block. Below the wax will be a layer of separated honey. Clean off the bottom surface of the wax and you're done. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 16:44:16 GMT References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501124416.24909.00000788@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24632 From: leggsafton@my-deja.com >I went through a hive that hasn't been doing very well and noticed some >cells that had 3 eggs in them. Other cells had larvae growing. I >did not see the queen but did a month ago. Does this appear to be >workers laying eggs or just a bad queen? Laying worker eggs will be attatched to the side of the cell. Queen eggs will be at the bottom. If you have an old queen, she is failing. You may see some sealed brood that has been capped with bullet shaped caps (starting to be a drone layer). If you have a young queen (did you see a recently hatched queen cell?), give her some time to get established. Young queens often take a few days to get the hang of it. Check them again in a week and a half. In either case it would be a good idea to give them a frame or two of brood from a strong hive, including at least a few cells with eggs. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> <390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:44:36 -0500 Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Message-ID: <390db3cf_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 12:41:51 -0400, 208.24.176.56 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.56 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24633 I have been to a flee market in the Florida panhandle where a beekeeper has a hive inside the fleemarket housed in a glass hive. The hive is about 3'x3'x4' all glass with a forked tree branch in the center, that the bees have used to hang comb. This is a totally natural hive. The beekeeper got the swarm on the tree limb and sawed it off and put it in the glass enclosure. It sits to one side inside his honey and candle shop. Larry "Leon Jordaan" wrote in message news:390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > Hi Simon, > Some years ago I saw an indoor glass enclosed hive at a dealer`s shop in > Goodwood, Cape Town, South Africa. This facinated me. I decided to do the > same and constructed a nuc hive out of glass and proceded to hive a small > swarm of cape bees. This was facinating to watch. They became too big and > had to be removed and placed in a normal outdoor hive. > I lived in Johannesburg for a while and learned some more. I then > constructed a nuc from double layered perspex to keep the temperature more > constant. It was only put to use after I moved to a small town called > Jagersfontein in the Freestate Province. The hive stood in my study and gave > me hours of joy. Unfortunately I am now living in an area where commercial > beekeeping can not be practiced and the severe droughts experienced in these > parts from time to time can be blamed for this. > The bees in this hive were also eventually placed in a proper hive and my > little nuc has been empty since then. A few weeks ago a small swarm moved > into one of my bird`s nests (I am a birdkeeper and breeder also) and in > desperation to save my birds and with nothing else available I hived the > bees in this nuc. My study had been changed since the last swarm called it > home and for now this swarm is kept outside the house in my garden. > Winter is approaching in our area and I will need to make a plan. We do > experience -10 C some nights and the hive was not desighned for this. It is > the three feet or three mile rule that will be causing me problems as time > is running out for me and the bees. > I can tell you more of some facinatings things which I observed, but enough > for now. More later. > > Leon > > Simon de Vet wrote in message > news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > > wall. > > > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > > ground. > > > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > > > Simon > > > > Article 24634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Swarm Cells on New Package Hive X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <390DABDA.E2F13FCA@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:07:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24634 Group, Installed my first packages (3) on April 8. All three hives are doing great - lots of capped brood (probably some emerging today), capped honey, and pollen. Checked them all Saturday and found one with 3 queen cells hanging from the bottom of a frame. Lots of drone cells in this hive as well. The other two hives have no queen cells and I could only find one drone cell in each of them. I'm surprised that I would have a hive building swarm cells already as they have only been at it for three weeks. They have each taken 1 gal. of sugar syrup and have almost worked through an additional 1/2 gal. of extracted fall honey given me by a friendly local beekeeper. I'm feeding them with a pail inverted over the top cover. The colony with the swarm cells has been taking the most feed. I destroyed the queen cells in the one and added a 2nd deep brood box with 10 frames of foundation to all three hives as they have drawn comb on 9 of the 10 frames on the first box. I am at a loss to say which is the strongest colony as they all seem to be doing equally well. Now some questions: Did I do right by destroying the cells and adding the 2nd brood box to the colony with the swarm cells? I sure would hate to lose a package & queen to a swarm right out of the gate! They are all still taking feed even though nectar is available. Should I quit feeding them? Could this be the reason for the swarm cells? All three hives still have the entrance reducers on. When do I take them off? Newbee in S. Central Kansas, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:30:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24635 On 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is >the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker >cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. NOT TRUE! Some new queens have to learn to lay one egg per cell. It can sometimes take them a week to get it right. Ya just never know with bees. Greg the beekeep Article 24636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24636 You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. I just "cured" a hive like that myself yesterday. Sadly, the hive was in the one apiary that I had waited late to do a "spring cleaning," so the drone brood was already hatching. I had opened the top of the hive several times and looked for broodnest activity in the top box, which of course there was. Recently though, I noticed few foragers coming and going. The "cure" was to take the drone-laying hive about 200 yards away, shake all the bees off the frames, then leave. I put a 1-week-old nuc on the hivestand where the drone-layer was. As told on this newsgroup and elsewhere, the drone-layers won't be able to fly back to the hive. The foraging force will, and hopefully will become part of the new nuc's foraging force. In my experience, the bees don't fly back to the old hivestand. They stay with their brood boxes and try to defend them. What a mess! Imagine loading boxes covered with clusters of angry bees in the back of your pickup. A fair number seemed to decide my pickup was the place to cluster. I drove around the field a couple times and it seemed that most headed back to their old hive spot when I drove past it. It all took way too much time, and I did'nt finish the rest of the afternoon's bee chores (removing Apistan strips). What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker than this method? Article 24637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Explanation Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:10:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ekdp5$gln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 17:10:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24637 Hi guys, One of my friends asked me a question that I have no answer for, so if someone can give help me with it. The guy is wondering whither the honey that we import is pure natural honey or artificial (i.e. Languiniza honey imported from germany). If it is natural he is wondering about the price why is it very low compared to what we have here, its more than ten times the price of the imported one. And the high production of honey in these countries should not lower the price by this factor. So, if any one has an explanation for this, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Aziz ==== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey as herbicide Lines: 20 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957201253 12.72.51.206 (Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24638 I have been meaning to post this for some time now. Last fall I was rinsing some extracting equipment out on an area of lawn where I had a sump drain. To my horror, about a 8ft diameter of the lawn around the drain had turned brown, indeed died as if it had been sprayed with RoundUp only a lot faster. This was a very diluted concentration of honey. The lawn never did come back and I finally re-seeded it recently. The seed came up fine. Has anyone else experienced this and if so what is the property of the honey that would cause this. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 24639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey as herbicide Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 17:41:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24639 Honey is acid Sugar ties up available soil nitrogen in bacteria Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colony union Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Lines: 6 Bytes: 239 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.216.158 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eOzJ4eD5vvS/tff34JP+5Ozf5ujh6bq05+X3oez0tf6yueK1rP6otK68vbE= Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:41:56 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.68 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957204172 10.0.2.68 (Mon, 01 May 2000 11:02:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:02:52 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24640 Hello all I need a methode for having unity 2 mediume colonys into 1 big colony. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood frames Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:57:45 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsg-vty104.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957207388 28477 195.232.121.104 (1 May 2000 18:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 18:56:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24641 My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove some frames and put in new frames to make some space. What can I do with the old frames? I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board and putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a kind of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? Thanks Vicky Article 24642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 18:59:21 GMT References: <390bfc40@pink.one.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501145921.25496.00000784@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24642 Not being a beekeeper and not living on a continent where Bee-eaters live, I have only advice that comes from my experience as a horticulturalist. But, since no one has mentioned these methods of bird control, I will. First: most birds are afraid of fire. You can mimic fire by hanging streamers of mylar or other shiny material from poles to twist and sparkle in the wind. You can either hang them from individual poles or from a wire hung between poles. Like most deterrents, this will not work forever--the birds get used to it. So it is best to rotate this with some other forms of deterrence. Hawk-shaped kites, false owls, even scarecrows will all work on some birds for at least a short time. Cannons mentioned by another poster are also effective for a short time, but may disturb your neighbors (if you have any). The key is to understand your pest. If you know when they are breeding, you know when they are most likely looking for protein (insects). Do these birds *only* eat bees? Or do they have other food sources that they go to when bees are lacking? Sometimes, if you can offer birds another food source that is easier to get, then they will not bother your crop. For example, cherry farmers sometimes grow mulberries--which bloom and fruit at the same time as cherries--as a bait crop to keep the birds out of the cherries. If there were something other than bees you could cultivate for the birds, you might be able to keep them away from the hives, particularly if you made the hives harder to get to. In addition, the deterrents mentioned above will be best used when the birds are most active--instead of all the time. Now, I know bees are flying all about, but is not the main problem with birds close to the hive where the bees are in greater density? You could hang bird netting in a large cage around the hive. No doubt the bees could navigate through the openings. Some bees would still get eaten, but fewer than with no barriers. Finally, as a last resort, I would say that you could try to find another location a few miles from where you have your hives presently. You could move them for a season or so until you have basically starved out the colony (assuming bees are their main source of food) then move them back. Probably you will have attracted another colony to the alternate site at this point, so it will be time to move anyway. Once again, I must attach the disclaimer--I'm not a beekeeper, I live in North America, and I am only extrapolating information from handling other pest birds. If anyone has information that I missed or assumed wrongly, please feel free to comment. trying to be helpful, Kelly Article 24643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey loan deficiency program to be reinstated? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:19:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957208741 204.186.180.199 (Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24643 We received a letter today about the possibility of the honey loan deficiency program being reinstated. All beekeepers should read this! Follow the link below to go directly to the article, once there if you want to return to the regular frames view click on the home button. You can print it out or I can send you a notepad version just send me your email address. http://www.draperbee.com/info/hot%20topics.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Article 24644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:12:59 -0500 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.81 Message-ID: <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 16:10:20 -0400, 208.24.176.81 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.81 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24644 Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you can see what they look like. http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG Larry wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many > reasons. > > I glad to read from you. > Best wishes > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > asiray0a@hotmail.com > asiray0@mail.com > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:50:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 20:50:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24645 I'm curious why you feel the need to cull the box of brood(and future bees) and then replace the brood with 'new' frames. Lots of brood is generally a good thing! If you feel very strongly that they simply don't have anymore room for brood, put another deep with frames on. Or another super anyway. The bee population isn't always going to be running so high in production of new ones. If you think they are too big give 2 or 3 frames to a colony that needs help. Otherwise treat such a queen as a gift. enjoy, Mike In article <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove some > frames and put in new frames to make some space. > What can I do with the old frames? > I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board and > putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a kind > of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? > Thanks > Vicky > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:38:34 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 19 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ekpkq$dsj$2@news.smartworld.net> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24646 > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass... > Anyone else seen hives like this? Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ and choose the 'Observation Hive' link. AFAIK, I have links to all the best observation hive websites and dealers there, but if anyone knows of some I've missed, please let me know. allen --- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:46:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ekuq3$sui$4@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218435 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24647 Yes - very common in England. I have managed one in the Butterfly Farm in Stratford-upon-Avon for some years (not occupied at present), there is one in Warwick museum, but the best ones are probably those at Quince Honey farm, South Molton, Devon. "Simon de Vet" wrote in message news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > wall. > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > ground. > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Simon > Article 24648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:28:38 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 50 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ekpkn$dsj$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24648 > What odds are you offering for those bets? Five'll get you ten, but I want to see your money. > I hear suggestions that varroa clearance by hive destruction will have to > be repeated at 5 year intervals forever. Yes. Nobody knows how varroa got there, so how can they think it will not come back in the remote chance that they eliminate it? I've been quiet about this and no one else has dared to bring it up, but who knows that the varroa wasn't introduced deliberately? Some in NZ have been immodestly bragging about their (lucky) status -- and by inference knocking all the other beekeepers of the world and their products. One does not make friends that way. Don't get me wrong. I don't advocate such acts, but I'm not unaware that there is a little bad feeling towards NZ. (NOT from me. FWIW, years ago, I hosted the first NZ web pages for free for some time until they got reasonably priced web hosting facilities). > Cynical observers might suggest that MAF apiary > inspectors had a vested interest in keeping AFB going to keep their jobs > going. You don't have ro be all that cynical to think the fox is running the hen house, and not just in NZ. > Those same cynical observers could claim at least the AFB PMS might work > now if varroa forces the lazy and incompetent beekeepers out of the > trade... If they put enough beekeepers out of business, no one will care about varroa. I bought the Van Eaton AFB book, and have always intended to write an article about how the AFB project won't work either, but have not had the time. Here again, I hope it does work, but doubt it will. allen --- Look over my shoulder... Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and much more... Article 24649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:54:46 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 25 Message-ID: <390df6a3.2340538@news.myOKAY.NET> References: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> <20000430231313.08509.00000524@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.53.193 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957218128 16236 194.29.53.193 (1 May 2000 21:55:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 21:55:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24649 On 01 May 2000 03:13:13 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >>Hola Javier, >> >>donde es pagina con abelhas ??? >> > >busqueda "abejas" > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Hi thanx, but i ask for the bee-pages on agroweb-hispana.com PS http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm DOESN´T WORK http://pollinator.com works fine and was a good tip. Thanx Article 24650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:34:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ekuq1$sui$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> <390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218433 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24650 Agree with you Greg - I have also found that vigorous newly mated queens in nucs will lay multiple eggs in cells if there are not enough cells available for them; move the nuc into a full broood box and they lay normally. wrote in message news:390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net... > On 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > >You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is > >the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker > >cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. > > NOT TRUE! Some new queens have to learn to lay one egg per cell. > It can sometimes take them a week to get it right. Ya just never know > with bees. > > Greg the beekeep > Article 24651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:36:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8ekuq2$sui$3@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390af765@news.gj.net> <8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218434 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24651 Many postings on this subject 18-20 June last year. "Glenn West" wrote in message news:8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <390af765@news.gj.net>, > bdigman@cyberport.com wrote: > > All, > > I can't believe there's a hive sitting on my front porch. I > > procrastinated for years, thumbing through catalogs and reading > > beekeeping books. A couple of weeks ago a fellow stops by the office > > on his way to an elementary school to do a presentation on bees. He > > has a brand new package of bees with a neat little queen in a cage and > > a shiny new hive in the back of his pickup. I started some sort of > > primordial drool. Bees. Honey. Twenty minutes later the lady on the > > phone is asking for the expiration date on my credit card. This > > craving must be worse than crack. > > My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the > > catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex > > offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store > > to paint the hive? Thanks. > > Sure. I use an exterior waterbased primer. I buy the exterior flat > latex topcoat for $1 a quart from the "returned" bin at Lowes or Home > Depot. You'll be amazed at how many hive bodies you can paint with a > quart of paint. Using light colors will keep the hives coolest in the > summer. > > > > > P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers > to > > such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a > > 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new > > kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. > > > > Barry > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey as herbicide Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:31:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8ekuq0$sui$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218432 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24652 ...and attracts lots of robbing bees! "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com... > Honey is acid > Sugar ties up available soil nitrogen in bacteria > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:49:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8ekuq4$sui$5@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000427222501.10659.00000133@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218436 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24653 Cape bees have been introduced into Germany for research purposes. Not the brightest idea in my opinion. "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000427222501.10659.00000133@ng-cu1.aol.com... > Cape bees are not bio control for africanized honey bees. They may be a > worst pest for beekeepers than AHB, since they cause honeybee colonies, > European and African, to go haywire and self destruct. > God help us all if some misguided fool ever decides to introduce the Cape > bee in Europe, America (North or South), Australia, or elsewhere. Article 24654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:00:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218437 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24654 I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not seem to have reached this group yet. Briefly: Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a bacterium which attacks it. I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Article 24655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:33:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 22:33:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24655 I installed some package bees a few weeks ago, they didn't do so good...they sort of look alive now that the weather is better, but even though they move around and a few make it to the front to hang out they are not out and flying on sunny days. (I open the lid and they crawl around a little, that's all, on a sunny 60 degree day). The queen didn't make it...I sprayed them lightly with sugar a few days ago fearing they were starving due to the previous cold (they weren't eating out of the jar)... Are they goners? Should I order another queen or a complete package. (I don't want to give up...it looks like a fun hobby). Is there any hope these barely moving bees will come back? If I order new ones and these come back can they be joined? Thanks, Ron E. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:47:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221209 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24656 In article , Peter Kerr writes >Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so >far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral >hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, >easy to destroy. Of course it will work. The price will be all beekeepers hives for *several* years as you track down all colonies feral or kept and keep tracking to be sure. In a couple of years you'll have to determine that there are *no* honeybees anywhere on the island and when you find one, you'll have to follow it to it's colony. There will always be some that are difficult to find. To be sure, you'll have to keep adding years on to the original thought. The cost to search and destroy will also be high. Will there be compensation for the beekeepers income? Can you guarantee that no further varroa will come in on a ship? Will beekeepers want to start from scratch again? Will you search the imported colonies to 100% exclude varroa? How will your kiwi fruit exporters pollinate their crops? Add up the cost. I suggest the price is too high chasing a dream. Most of us in this newsgroup live with it. In fact, it seems that the new standards of beekeeping actually improve the bees and the harvest. >I've been reading some of the claims for essential oils, and drone brood >combs. Plausible, but, they would take discipline and dedication, precise >dosing and timing. If NZ beekeepers were able to do this, how come they >haven't got rid of AFB in the past 100 years? You have implied a connection between your statements and an unstated conclusion. Ask a logician in your University to point this out. >Varroa has arrived just as the NBA was swinging into action with the PMS >to get rid of AFB by infected hive destruction. Killing two birds with the >one stone may not be such a silly idea... There are not two birds here. On the one hand you will kill hives with proven AFB as we do here in the UK. This will reduce the infection rate down to a low % but not eradicate it. On the other, you will have to kill 100% of all colonies probably on both islands. So you won't have any AFB at all. Hooray! -- James Kilty Article 24657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221210 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24657 In article <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Hank Mishima writes >Allen, > >Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to >being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees >having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung? Try Croft L. R., Allergy to Bee Stings, Bee Books New and Old 1988 and Frankland A. W., Bee Sting Allergy, IBRA 1976 and Riches H. R. Hypersensitivity to Bee Venom IBRA 1982 and Riches H. R. Recent Problems in the Treatment of Bee Venom Allergy, Central Association 1990 I don't have the books in front of me so I cannot check out the precise information you want. -- James Kilty Article 24658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221211 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24658 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >worker bee laying eggs. > >I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? Workers have ovaries since they are female. They are *very* underdeveloped since to develop them fully, queens are given *much* more of a more concentrated food which gets them much bigger before they change to adult. Think of it like there are two sets of cells in the egg, those that make the larva and the adult cells which wait a while and grow as if by feeding off the larva which acts as a store of food. Queens have a big enough larva to trigger the development of the ovaries. So, workers *can* lay eggs when there is no queen to suppress that activity by specific pheromones. They cannot lay very many and tend to lay them all over the cell and several in the one cell. > Does she lay >drones or workers? Normally and with most races these contain only one set of chromosomes, so they produce males. On occasion workers can lay a viable female (with two sets of chromosomes). This is rare in most races but common with A.m.capensis. >Any comments from the cognicenti? You'd better ask them. -- James Kilty Article 24659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221213 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24659 In article <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr>, apipop writes >Hi everybody, >What about bumble-bees ? In our French beekeeper's forum it was lately >posted that one found a big bumble-bee in bad shape with 5 varroas on >his back!!. Has this beekeeper confirmed it was varroa absolutely and verified by other people with samples kept for examination? Bumble-bees can carry a load of parasites. -- James Kilty Article 24660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Live! Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:02:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8el2e9$8pi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ehtjv$sbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 23:02:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24660 ? Isn't that how the rest of the bees looked earlier? The queens that I've seen don't hold THAT still. she should be walking or running. Unless of course it's ten degrees outside and you're in there poking around. Is it possible the combs in this hive were treated with something that is having an effect on the bees? I've looked at bees in the late fall and never had much question whether they were alive or not. Even if it was only 20F outside. Where are you and what's the weather like now? Get two hives going and you can have something to compare the other to. Good luck. Mike In article <8ehtjv$sbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > FYI for anyone who read the are my bees dead message...they are > alive...crawling around out front today, etc. Queen looks dead but the > rest are moving... > > Ron E. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:33:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24661 thanks for the tip...can you give us some more details and/or source references? "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not > seem to have reached this group yet. > > Briefly: > > Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are > introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small > plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells > to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a > bacterium which attacks it. > > I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with > pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in > glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be > no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. > > There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Article 24662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:12:41 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957226253 16870 130.216.90.132 (2 May 2000 00:10:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 00:10:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24662 In article , James Kilty wrote: > Of course it will work. The price will be all beekeepers hives for > *several* years as you track down all colonies feral or kept and keep > tracking to be sure. In a couple of years you'll have to determine that > there are *no* honeybees anywhere on the island and when you find one, > you'll have to follow it to it's colony. There will always be some that > are difficult to find. To be sure, you'll have to keep adding years on > to the original thought. The cost to search and destroy will also be > high. Will there be compensation for the beekeepers income? It did occurr to me that re-employing beekeepers for the search and destroy operation would have some social justice, but is that what we're talking about? > Can you > guarantee that no further varroa will come in on a ship? Will beekeepers > want to start from scratch again? Will you search the imported colonies > to 100% exclude varroa? Wonderful thing about modern transport: it has turned the whole planet into a massive uncontrolled ecological experiment... > How will your kiwi fruit exporters pollinate > their crops? Add up the cost. When I last looked at the figures, $/tonne of crop, mechanical pollination was almost down to beehives cost, and produced more uniform sized and shaped fruit. -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:13:28 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> References: <8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24663 Hi Ron, If the queen is gone, you need to replace her quickly. It depends on how fast you can get a queen if you will order a package as well. Kent Article 24664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:10:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24664 Hi Vicky, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space for brood or replacing old brood frames? Kent Article 24665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E3187.4C9E53B@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation References: <8ekdp5$gln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:38:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:38:58 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24665 Myriad reasons, different governmental and economic systems, different levels of economic support, different levels of testing and purity, different management techniques. Thom asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > One of my friends asked me a question that I have no answer for, so if > someone can give help me with it. The guy is wondering whither the honey that > we import is pure natural honey or artificial (i.e. Languiniza honey imported > from germany). If it is natural he is wondering about the price why is it > very low compared to what we have here, its more than ten times the price of > the imported one. And the high production of honey in these countries should > not lower the price by this factor. So, if any one has an explanation for > this, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Aziz > ==== > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: beerich@bellsouth.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee streaming video Reply-To: beerich@bellsouth.net Message-ID: <390e31f0.30636492@news.bna.bellsouth.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:40:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.120.94 X-Trace: news1.atl 957231647 209.214.120.94 (Mon, 01 May 2000 21:40:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:40:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24666 We've just added some pretty interesting streaming video files to the Nashville Area Beekeepers Association page, courtesy of Jeff Harris of the USDA-ARS in Baton Rouge. http://personal.bellsouth.net/~beerich Jeff narrates a clip on the life cycle of the honey bee and varroa mite. Dr. Jose' Villa narrates a clip showing bees exhibiting resistant behavior to tracheal mites made by Villa and Dr. Bob Danka. All the footage is shot through a microscope and presented in RealVideo format. While you are there sign our guest book and let us know if there are any links we should add to our site - we're pretty far behind on that. Thanks -Barry Richards Cross Plains, TN Article 24667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E356D.A96CCDAD@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:55:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:55:37 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24667 Peter Kerr wrote: > > > proficiency in vi > is a sign of a > mis-spent youth Peter I've never seen this and find it more amusing than it really should be. :) Thom Article 24668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E3B58.B9226BFE@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones come & go References: <8efft8$j4v$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:20:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:20:51 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24668 Keith, Normal, drones will drift from hive to hive eating and waiting out the night and bad weather. Welcome to beekeeping in VA. For links to information to associations in VA sift through http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers Thom Bradley Tidewater Beekeepers Association Angela Copi wrote: > > First let me apologize if this is a stupid question, but I am just getting > started. I installed 2 5 frame nucs 8 days ago. This afternoon while > watching the activity at the two hives I noticed quit a few drones coming > and going from both of them. What are they doing? (I am in central > Virginia, Tulip Poplar is blooming and the bees seem very busy). > > Thanks, > > Keith Article 24669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E40C0.E8B661CA@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm cells on new package Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:43:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.89.6 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 957234800 209.42.89.6 (Mon, 01 May 2000 21:33:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:33:20 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24669 Adding the extra hive body and frames are probably what the hive needed. Make sure there is larva in the hive that wanted to swarm, if there is than you don't need another queen, and removing the queen cells in my opinion was an ok thing to do. The entrance reducers can be removed whenever you think the hives are strong enough to control the in and outs of the hive. When the weather becomes hot, it is best to take measurements to help cool them down also. When there is plenty of nectar available bees we usually stop taking the sugar water. They should be starting on those second hive bodies you put on real quick. The cappings on those will be a pretty paper white.take care, Craig Article 24670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5244-390E3DF9-56@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRGNzxy3AcfrYsjwIXJI4cYZ+NGwAIUFTe4/9ZdFyy3poziaACfDXHOg9I= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24670 Thanks for the information! To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 1 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:21:22 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:18:15 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24671 Testing new Ordinateur Article 24672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:28:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <390E4B6E.48A551C@midwest.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <390E356D.A96CCDAD@visi.net.beesarecool> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24672 Thom Bradley wrote: > > Peter Kerr wrote: > > > > > > proficiency in vi > > is a sign of a > > mis-spent youth > > Peter I've never seen this and find it more amusing than it really > should be. > > :) Thom A characteristic of bitter truths - ah yes, and I remember my days of awking & grepping... AL Article 24673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 2 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:28:58 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:25:51 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24673 test test Got new equipment; will go online soon with DirecPC Article 24674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!news.bel.alcatel.be!not-for-mail From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:03:33 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bt02e2.god.bel.alcatel.be 957276213 13819 138.203.32.35 (2 May 2000 14:03:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 14:03:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24674 go to http://www.beekeeping.com/vita/pherovar.htm -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 24675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:41:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8emsvg$7s9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:41:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24675 In article <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you > can see what they look like. > > http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG > Larry > > wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. > I > > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear > the > > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that > bees > > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do > not > > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for > many > > reasons. > > > > I glad to read from you. > > Best wishes > > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > > asiray0a@hotmail.com > > asiray0@mail.com > > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Sure once I get the chance, I will do. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:01:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.194.211 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:01:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.194.211 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24676 I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & appreciated -- repbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 16:42:13 GMT References: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24677 You could try a package from a different supplier too. Gook luck! Article 24678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <24636-390F04A2-29@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRWa3tYRONrSjn0uTcocT7K+AplfgIUWxYbTAjhHCbh+oUjWIGIddpYI3Q= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24678 I haven't tried this but I would if I were in your situation. Should have a good chance of acceptance from all I have read. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:12:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8emr85$5vm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:12:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24679 In article <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not > seem to have reached this group yet. > > Briefly: > > Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are > introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small > plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells > to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a > bacterium which attacks it. > > I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with > pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in > glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be > no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. > > There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Thanks Peter, This is a bit new. However, Is this new method of controlling the mite effective?. For the first mentioned method (small plastic plug), What is the idea? what is inside this plug? Are their any negative effects on human or bees? How is it compared to Apistan strips? Many questions since the subject is interesting? Could you please provide us with more info. or references that can complete the picture? God bliss you, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: LIGURIAN BEES Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 07:23:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502032309.07405.00000788@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24680 Look up the Kangaroo Island beekeeping site--tells all about the history of Ligurian bees (originally from Italy). Article 24681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 07:26:07 GMT References: <3905fad3.2079076@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502032607.07405.00000789@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24681 No--don't give it up and Greg, you need a "brainwash" with your judgemental opinions, even if well-intentioned..... Article 24682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:38:14 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsk-vty34.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957256755 27896 195.232.125.34 (2 May 2000 08:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 08:39:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24682 I want to stop the bees from becoming overcrowded and then swarming. Also I don't want to have too large a brood as I don't have so much time for checking the colony for queen cells, and extracting huge amounts of honey. I forgot to mention in my previous posting that the "mini nuke" would be above a super. Vicky wrote in message news:8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I'm curious why you feel the need to cull the box of brood(and future > bees) and then replace the brood with 'new' frames. Lots of brood is > generally a good thing! > If you feel very strongly that they simply don't have anymore room for > brood, put another deep with frames on. Or another super anyway. > The bee population isn't always going to be running so high in > production of new ones. If you think they are too big give 2 or 3 frames > to a colony that needs help. Otherwise treat such a queen as a gift. > enjoy, > Mike > > > In article <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, > "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > > My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove > some > > frames and put in new frames to make some space. > > What can I do with the old frames? > > I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board > and > > putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a > kind > > of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? > > Thanks > > Vicky > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:47:39 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24683 I lost a couple of my hives over the winter. I think due to starving as there was no honey near the dead cluster of bees. My question is this, can I put a new nuc in this same hive without cleaning it of the old honey? Also one of the hive had what appeared to be larvae in some of the cells, could this be wax moth? Thanks for the info. Jesse Article 24684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dragonflies in the apiary Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 19:57:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24684 Last summer, I noticed dragonflies hovering and hunting over the hives at dusk at one site where I keep bees. They were maintaining a 20 to 30 foot altitude. The hives are in a clearing next to my relative’s home and the bees commonly fly straight up to go over the trees or the house. I spoke to a dragonfly researcher today. Dragonflies are very efficient insect hunters. They breed in wetlands, but often leave them to hunt elsewhere. Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the “darners” are attracted to swarms and masses of flying insects, much the way predator fish are attracted to schools of smaller fish. And this is why you might find them flying over your apiaries. The number of bees they take is insignificant (judging from the honey production of those hives last summer), and I welcome their presence as they consume huge numbers of mosquitoes and flies—a great beneficial for your garden and yard. I’ll point the dragonflies out to my relatives this summer and explain what they do to pest species, which will be just another good reason to keep honeybees in the yard. Article 24685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:30:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8en6sd$jsm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 18:30:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24685 I think I'm getting it now, but not entirely, but that's OK. that's my fault not yours. If only 1 hive is what we're talking about extracting HUGE amounts of honey probably won't be an issue. If you have a super duper great year you might go over 100lbs maybe even 200lbs. That's only a couple hours of hand cranking. I this part is a hassle then get someone else to spin a super and give it to them! You'll find takers I'm sure of it. Tell us how many frames in the old hive first. is it 9 or 10 in a deep box? If so, slap it on top and walk away! Keep it a 3 deep hive if you really must. If they swarm, guess what? you'll have fewer bees and less honey! they don't all leave when they swarm y'know. It just puts a big dent in the overall honey production.(That's what you're after) I think what might help is to go sit down and watch your hive for a while and rethink what it is you want to accomplish. You've handed us a rather problematic dilemna to try to answer. Honey's not a bad thing! Thanks for checking back in by the way, lots of time questions get asked and the asker vacates and we never know what went where 'n'stuff. Stop fretting and smell the nectar.... Mike In article <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > Hi Kent, > I'm mainly wanting to make space, but I do have some old frames in one hive > that I want to get rid off. > I'm just not sure what to do with the old frames. I don't just want to put > them in the rubbish bin! > Thanks > Vicky > kent stienburg wrote in message > news:390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net... > > Hi Vicky, > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space > > for brood or replacing old brood frames? > > > > Kent > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Lines: 36 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957294262 12.72.203.33 (Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24686 Remove the queenless hive and put it about 15 ft (or more) from its current location. In its place put your queen-right nuc (in full size equipment if it is not already). Go back to the old hive and shake all the bees from each frame. They will fly up and join with the nuc at the old location. You can put the frames back into the new hive. Once thing settle down, you can start another nuc by splitting. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I > tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but > upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or > brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 > weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number > of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a > nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc > along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive > with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so > many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without > some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & > appreciated > -- > repbees > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:32:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:32:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24687 HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing is 1/4". Have anybody experinced this before? Do any body have an explanation? Thanks, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:25:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ena39$ntm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.140 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:25:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.140 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24688 > Jesse, I ran into the same problem this year... I had 2 hives that died. I simply opened up each hive and cleaned out all the dead bees. I also scraped off all the wax cappings that were scattered on the bottom board. Before installing a new package, I have been told, that you should clean out whatever you can easily get out (bees, wax cappings, debris, etc.) without damaging any of the comb. Sometimes you will find dead bees that have crawled into open cells. Sometimes you may find a little mold. I was told to "not worry about it" because the new bees will take over and clean the place up to their liking. As far as stored honey goes, leave it in the comb and install the new bees into it. This will give the new hive a healthy boost in production. Also, if the comb is in good shape, the new bees won't have to work as hard to draw out new comb for the Queen to start laying eggs in. One thing, If you have more than 1 hive body on each hive, strip out the best 10 frames (or 9 if you use 9 frame hives) and reduce the hive to 1 box. Install the new bees into this 1 box and add the second box after they have filled up the first one. You can also give the bees used frames containing honey in the second box. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:29:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8ena9b$nvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:29:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24689 HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. Have anybody experinced this before? Do any body have an explanation? Thanks, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:40:19 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <39099C83.11F9937A@netscapeonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:42:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24690 In article <39099C83.11F9937A@netscapeonline.co.uk>, theorganloft wrote: > Since the worker is not mated she will lay only drones. Bad news all > round! Hope you pick up a swarm soon. > > Stephen R Alliss Thanks, Steve... It turns out, after closer inspection, that there are no eggs and no laying worker in the hive... This past weekend I put a swarm in, thanks to the generosity of fellow CO beekeep Matthew Westfall. Everyone seems to be happy in their new home. :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:42:31 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:44:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24691 In article <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk>, James Kilty wrote: > In article t>, Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes > >worker bee laying eggs. > > > >I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? > Workers have ovaries since they are female. They are *very* > underdeveloped since to develop them fully, queens are given *much* more > of a more concentrated food which gets them much bigger before they > change to adult. Think of it like there are two sets of cells in the > egg, those that make the larva and the adult cells which wait a while > and grow as if by feeding off the larva which acts as a store of food. > Queens have a big enough larva to trigger the development of the > ovaries. So, workers *can* lay eggs when there is no queen to suppress > that activity by specific pheromones. They cannot lay very many and tend > to lay them all over the cell and several in the one cell. > > Does she lay > >drones or workers? > Normally and with most races these contain only one set of chromosomes, > so they produce males. On occasion workers can lay a viable female (with > two sets of chromosomes). This is rare in most races but common with > A.m.capensis. > >Any comments from the cognicenti? > You'd better ask them. Thanks, James! This is what I was curious about... the biology of it all... as with other things honeybee related, it's fascinating. What amazing little critters. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:46:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:48:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24692 Greetings, all... A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using hot water to mix syrup? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen in a shipping cage. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 21:26:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502172600.05647.00001036@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24693 >Just a quick question, >How long has anyone kept a queen in a shipping cage? Alive of course 5 days, keep givin her a few drops a water evr day Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:23 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8enc3h$ipg$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-36-98.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 957297585 19248 213.44.36.98 (2 May 2000 19:59:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 19:59:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24694 Well, you are right we don't have a scientific proof of varroas living in bumble-bee colony :-((. It was just an information posted on a French speaking list. IN fact I was surprised to learn there was no evidence of varroas reproduction in other specie than Apis Mellifera . I have asked for more information through the above list, mainly from experienced bumble-bee's breeders. Will keep you informed if I get more interesting information. - apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ James Kilty a écrit dans le message : BtOBxfAlkgD5EwGY@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr>, apipop internet.fr> writes > >Hi everybody, > >What about bumble-bees ? In our French beekeeper's forum it was lately > >posted that one found a big bumble-bee in bad shape with 5 varroas on > >his back!!. > Has this beekeeper confirmed it was varroa absolutely and verified by > other people with samples kept for examination? Bumble-bees can carry a > load of parasites. > -- > James Kilty Article 24695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:57:07 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <390F4F33.9C009C58@club-internet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-61.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 957304925 19846 213.44.62.61 (2 May 2000 22:02:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:02:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24695 Rodney
When bees feel "the need" to build drone comb they will- often changing the cell from worker to drone- and often in areas around the edge of the main worker brood.Thet will also build drone in damaged areas of comb.
The space beneath the comb is an excellent parking place for bees when the body is filling up with incoming nectar and there is much activity higher up on the comb- don't build frames that are too close to the hive floor.
Regards
Peter Article 24696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 20:50:26 GMT References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502165026.22327.00002311@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24696 Spike wrote: <> The trick here that has worked for me is to give the package a good hard thump (or two) on the ground to jar the bees loose after you have placed the queen in the hive. Then quickly turn the box over and shake them out into the hive. A small amount will remain in the package, but with most of the rest of the bees gone, they hustle into the hive pretty quick. Article 24697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: constructing a pail feeder Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:18 -0400 Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.12 Message-ID: <390f4d67.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 2 May 2000 16:49:27 -0600, 209.192.109.12 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ultranews.duc.auburn.edu!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24697 I got a couple of 3 QT size rubber maid containers that I'd like to make into pail feeders. What would be a good size hole to use and how many holes would be good to start with? -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Article 24698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 21:05:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502170554.05647.00001033@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24698 >but... what is the danger of using >hot water to mix syrup? > not nairy a damn thing if wuz all a mine would be dead now. hain't nary a way ta git the mess ta syrup wit out usin hot water Ya'll come !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!fr.clara.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:08:10 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390F51CA.B8B523AD@club-internet.fr> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-61.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 957305587 1933 213.44.62.61 (2 May 2000 22:13:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:13:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24699 Peter,
Please may we have more info. on this development.
V.j are starting to bite my ankles!!
Peter Article 24700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:36 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsk-vty69.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957260846 15612 195.232.125.69 (2 May 2000 09:47:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 09:47:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24700 Hi Kent, I'm mainly wanting to make space, but I do have some old frames in one hive that I want to get rid off. I'm just not sure what to do with the old frames. I don't just want to put them in the rubbish bin! Thanks Vicky kent stienburg wrote in message news:390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net... > Hi Vicky, > > I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space > for brood or replacing old brood frames? > > Kent Article 24701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wanting Position Date: 2 May 2000 08:12:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8emgo5$qvm$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: krasi7309@chickmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24701 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:47:05 -0700 From: Krasimir Nikolov Reply-to: krasi7309@chickmail.com Hallo, I am a bee-keeper from Bulgaria.My name is Krasimir Nikolov.I am 26years old.Magister of economics. I like bees and working with them.I'm indulged in beekeeping since 1 was 7.I've been working with all kinds of beehives.I am looking of a job as a beekeeper. It someone is intevested please write me. krasi7309@chickmail.com ______________________________________________________ Please reply to the above email address if you can help this guy out Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:25:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24702 Peter Edwards (in response to JMitc1014) writes: Cape bees have been introduced into Germany for research purposes. Not the brightest idea in my opinion. any more info on when and with what results? any sources/references would be welcome, thanks! Article 24703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:27:50 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 34 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust240.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust240.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24703 > What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker than > this method? We just shake them out in front of another (strong) hive and let them do what they may -- or double them up with another hive. We don't ever worry about the laying workers getting into a hive. It does not seem to do any harm. To get the bees off the frames, we hold the frame so one end is up and tap the tab on the other end sharply, but lightly on a hard object like a lid or rock. All the bees come off with one or two taps. Generally our policy with any hive that has been without a good queen for any time is to combine it with a good hive, since all the bees in the bad hive will likely be old. We do much better making a new split somewhere in the yard, or in the same combined hive later, than wasting resources trying to save the old hive. (We had talk about the problem of laying workers in queen mating nucs some years back on BEE-L if anyone is interested. It's easy to search from the link at the top of the page at the link below. I used 'laying worker' and the substring search checked. The search returns clickable links to the original posts and allows navigating forward and back through the discussions). allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:54:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8enmb6$ccq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-98.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 957308070 12698 62.136.35.226 (2 May 2000 22:54:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:54:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24704 Seem's to me you let the queen through or possibly tuned the excluder round when you put it back on and the queen was clinging to it. Or maybe you've got a faulty excluder (one or two holes enlarged a little). But this may not be the end of your problem ! Have you brood of the same age in your brood box ? or new eggs in both ? if so get rid of one of the queens. wrote in message news:8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:00:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <8e9ek2$6tq$1@news.smartworld.net> <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307701 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24705 In article <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com>, S. R. Jones writes >I don't think this is truly a vicious hive, rather just a little fiestier than I >prefer to deal with.. One of the things I've wondered is if there's a some sort >of test to quantitatively measure the 'mean-ness' of a hive. Perhaps some scale >where the lowest number is a completely docile, defenceless colony and the top >of the scale is AHB. As recommended by BIBBA (following Beowulf Cooper's original work) I assess 4 temper characters: (1) docility, (2) calmness, (3) non- following, (4) non-jumping. These mean (1) non-stinging (2) low movement on the comb when lifted out (3) not following you as you move away from the hive (4) not rising when you open the hive. Most people do this subjectively: awarding 10/10 for a "perfect" or near perfect behaviour and reducing in steps to show degrees of perfection. On stinging, some advocate decreasing the score by 1 for every sting not induced by the beekeeper. So 10 stings scores 0. So if you open the hive and the bees rise up in a cloud, fly at you and make a drumming sound on your hat, chase after you when you leave them and rush about madly on the comb leaving the brood uncovered and clustering only to fall off into the hive, then I'd not only score 0, 0, 0, 0, I'd requeen a.s.a.p! Looking at 34 records on a page I see that I scored 25 10's, 4 9's, 4 8's, and 1 5 for non-stinging. This means I got 5 stings (through thin household rubber gloves) from 1 hive and 3/4 I could have done away with the gloves. Scores for (non-)running are less good but I have 11 10's which means they seemed to hardly move on the comb and kept them fully covered (lowest score 1 at 5). Non-jumping ranged more widely from 2 (2 colonies) to 10, which means from a cloud (of thankfully non-stinging bees) to no obvious rising at all just getting on with their business. Again nearly half showed 10 for non-following down to 7/10. I could not assess 7 on account of being followed by bees from other colonies. If you rear your own queens (or let them do it themselves) it is vital to cull the less satisfactory queens. Temper (on at least 2 of the above criteria) is in my view number 1. Remember that stinging derives from *that* queen whereas the 3 others derive from the genes (both father and mother. So if you change the queen and the tendency to sting drops, you'll have to wait till her daughters are flying (and get old) to determine if the tendencies to rise, run about or follow you change (7 or 8 weeks). Obviously you'll have other characters you favour. The value of scoring out of 10 is that if you weight your various criteria equally, you can add up all the scores and breed from the highest scoring. -- James Kilty Article 24706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:04:08 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307702 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24706 In article <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you >can see what they look like. > >http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG Pretty. -- James Kilty Article 24707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:16:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307703 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24707 In article <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, Vicky Campbell writes >I want to stop the bees from becoming overcrowded and then swarming. >Also I don't want to have too large a brood as I don't have so much time for >checking the colony for queen cells, and extracting huge amounts of honey. >I forgot to mention in my previous posting that the "mini nuke" would be >above a super. Putting brood above a super would promote queen raising if the brood was unsealed. The workers treat the two sections as two colonies. You can use 2 brood cambers and add 2 or more frames of foundation to equalise above and below and then use 2 dummy boards. Reduce back to 1 brood chamber later and extract the frames or give them to a colony or nuc that needs them. -- James Kilty Article 24708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307704 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24708 In article <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, repbees@my-deja.com writes >nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc >along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive >with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so You can exchange sites. No need to "introduce". See what happens to the old colony. Look carefully. There may be a queen in it. If most of the bees go to the nuc it will need to be made much larger into a normal hive. I presume the nuc is strong enough, with, say 3 frames of brood. Don't leave the old hive with few bees (and possibly a queen) to be robbed out. Let us know what you do and how it works out. -- James Kilty Article 24709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:37:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8enscn$cn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 03 00:37:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24709 Thanks for the info, ordered another package and queen from a different supplier... i am also not doing anything with the "slow" bees in the queenless hive until the new package comes...they are still sort of crawling around but not flying or anything...can a bee be "slow" or "sick" or are they either dead or alive? Should i combine the new ones or not bother and just use the new ones and give up on the old ones? (The old ones don't buzz, if you open the lid they move but not too active looking to me, although they do crawl and stuff, I'm still confused on whether something happened to them or they are just a little weak or something. The beekeeper I ordered the package from said that when you install them in the cold sometimes you have to spray them with sugar to amke sure they get food - i guess the idea being that in the cold they may be too inactive to get to the feeder starve and that spraying them makes it more likely they will eat?) Can a bee be damaged or are they just sort of on or off? thanks, sorry if these questions sound dumb...these forums are really helpful, ron e. In article <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > You could try a package from a different supplier too. > Gook luck! > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957287302 nnrp-06:13965 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24710 In article , Rodney Isom writes >I have a hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of >the frames in my bottom brood box. The other hive I have does it a little, >but not nearly as much. Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do >something? Should I leave it be or scrape it off? If the space under the frames is small enough they cannot do it. I have a bottom bee space hive and when I use a single bee space depth floor I get no drone brood but with a 2 space floor depth I do get it. -- James Kilty Article 24711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supercedure Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:52 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp069.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24711 I have a colony in the process of making a supercedure cell. Is it best to let them make their own queen or order a new one and place in hive? Article 24712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:12:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390F8B10.CBEBA22F@kingston.net> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24712 Hi Vicky, I have had to cull brood frames mostly because they have developed into drone cells. I melted down the wax and either reused the frame or tossed it. I have always believed that one very good reason for swarming is congestion of the brood nest. I try to let her expand as large as she wants. I have only found swarm cells in the top deep. I use 2 deeps for the nest. Kent Article 24713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:25:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8eo2m7$jd6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.127 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 03 02:25:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.127 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24713 Aziz, Check to see if you have a queen below as well as the top. Find her in this case as the eggs this time are only proof of one until you actually see both first hand. I've read that in some circumstances the workers will carry eggs through the excluders to make more room for the queen below, although I have not seen this personally. I also only use excluders in my comb supers so I haven't used them alot. Keep us posted, this is an interesting situation. Mike. In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > Thanks, Aziz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Cells Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:17:12 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp069.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24714 I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? Article 24715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 17:16:08 GMT References: <20000501124416.24909.00000788@ng-cc1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502131608.22705.00002098@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24715 Dave wrote: <> If a hive already has laying workers, will it draw queen cells from a frame with fertilized eggs? I thought laying-worker hives are deluded into thinking that they are queenright. Thanks for the info, John Article 24716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Message-ID: <957305094@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:26:30 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9033b97b REPLY: 240:44/0 86d6be85 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(166) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957331806 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24716 Geo, Why should a virgin get through an excluder? I thought it was the thorax, not the abdomen, that was the crucial dimension to allow passage or not. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:31:49 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 48 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust199.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ep986$ha4$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <957305095@zbee.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust199.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24717 I've been trying to understand all this lately, and learned that bees vary in size *a lot*, and it is the bees that go through excluders. Queens also vary quite a bit in weight, and in size. I wrote quite a bit about this in my online dairy at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ sometime during the past two months, so will not repeat it here. Excluding queens does not seem to be a problem -- many things work. I used 5 mesh hardware cloth for years and it is bigger than the standard excluder gap, I think. My excluders also vary a bit. What concerns me is that we take a 'one size fits all' approach. I wonder if an excluder with wider gaps would work just as well -- and offer less resistance. We often get comments that excluders simply do not work from some people, and other comments that excluders are never a problem and work just fine all the time from others (like me). Could it be that everyone is right, and that the bees vary in size from one situation to another? allen > Allen wonders about excluders and why the size doesn't change although we are > using different foundation sizes. I think the reason is that queens are reared > in natural bee designed cells and not on foundation. The worker larvae may > have through their nurture in a larger cradle grown to be bigger bees than they > would be if left to themselves, but this larger size is an acquired, not an > inherited, characteristic and modern genetic theory is that acquired > characteristics cannot be inherited. Therefore the queens will be the size > they have always been and there is no need to enlarge gaps in excluders: they > would no longer exclude. -- Diary and pictures at Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Message-ID: <957305095@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:00:28 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 903438c9 REPLY: 240:44/0 15c566e2 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(166) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957331813 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24718 Allen wonders about excluders and why the size doesn't change although we are using different foundation sizes. I think the reason is that queens are reared in natural bee designed cells and not on foundation. The worker larvae may have through their nurture in a larger cradle grown to be bigger bees than they would be if left to themselves, but this larger size is an acquired, not an inherited, characteristic and modern genetic theory is that acquired characteristics cannot be inherited. Therefore the queens will be the size they have always been and there is no need to enlarge gaps in excluders: they would no longer exclude. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: swarm cells on new package X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3910509D.A4BAF78C@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <390E40C0.E8B661CA@ckt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:15:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24719 Thanks for the response cpullman wrote: > Adding the extra hive body and frames are probably what the hive needed. > Make sure there is larva in the hive that wanted to swarm, if there is > than you don't need another queen, and removing the queen cells in my > opinion was an ok thing to do. The entrance reducers can be removed > whenever you think the hives are strong enough to control the in and > outs of the hive. When the weather becomes hot, it is best to take > measurements to help cool them down also. When there is plenty of nectar > available bees we usually stop taking the sugar water. They should be > starting on those second hive bodies you put on real quick. The cappings > on those will be a pretty paper white.take care, Craig -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:21:22 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 5cmLfOa4hJa/1fMbCcLLqFRHHpKv4nGO5is55hpC4Ts+NiURQr0nBw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 17:21:29 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24720 This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll relay my experience, FWIW. This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few days, but that queen was soon gone too. I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so far) ok. So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do this for a job ;-) If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in step 1, I'd be interested to learn. Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Cells Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:30:19 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3910622B.A71101D3@riverace.com> References: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: RnxPEtoklpLXO1BvmnqeVBsO9gIw7tGkMoKcoc7Iofz0mZDAMI/jpg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 17:30:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24721 TJ wrote: > > I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the > frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? Not by itself, I don't think so. But you may need to give this colony more space. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <957305094@zbee.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 40 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957378788 12.72.47.123 (Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24722 I don't have an answer for this. I can only relay my experience which I posted previously to this thread. FWIW, I think Allen is of the correct thinking on this. Even an opening that is larger than her thorax (as #5 hardware cloth is at 1/4" on average) will be an effective barrier WITHIN the hive to restrict her movement. My observation was based on dumping bees on an excluder outside the hive. Given the variability of nature, is it really conceivable that an excluder is effective because the openings are of a size that is smaller than a queens thorax? I don't think so. I think something like an 80/20 rule would apply. The effectiveness of an excluder is probably in large part due to her reluctance to try to pass through a restricted space, even though she would be able to. Some queens are more determined than others, as some of us have seen. Does anyone remember that old "Leave It To Beaver" when he got his head stuck in the stair railing? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Christopher Slade" wrote in message news:957305094@zbee.com... > Geo, > Why should a virgin get through an excluder? 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  --------------FD2CD91E75BDEE67F2315410-- Article 24724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:41:08 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: mercury.wright.edu 957386471 9809 130.108.128.35 (3 May 2000 20:41:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@wright.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 20:41:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24724 when you're inspecting hives for swarming cells, what is the first thing you should do when you find some? what i did was destroy the cells. what i should have done was check for eggs elsewhere. i forgot. On 3 May 2000, JMitc1014 wrote: > Date: 03 May 2000 11:34:23 GMT > From: JMitc1014 > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Supercedure > > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > probably. > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > indicating swarm. > Oh well. > > Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University Article 24725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving honey to super from brood Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:16:41 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.64 Message-ID: <391096ae_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 3 May 2000 17:14:22 -0400, 208.24.176.64 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.64 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24725 I had a double hive with one super, it was about 60% full. I added a 2nd super. Then found the queen was missing and the 2nd brood box is about 50% full of honey. I have since added 2 more hives, one swarm and one full 5 frame nuc that I just put into a full size box 2 weeks ago. I also added a partially filled super to it. and started another nuc. Tomorrow I will check for the presents of a queen in the double. Question: If there is no queen I am going to join that hive with the new nuc. How can I get the bees to move the honey from the 2nd deep brood box into a super. 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Article 24727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: vhryvd@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need Help 292 Lines: 4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 06:05:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.180.42 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 957333919 142.165.180.42 (Wed, 03 May 2000 00:05:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:05:19 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24727 http://modchip.50megs.com/ This Is my First Website that I made, its about Modchips and such, Please Tell me If it works, e-mail Sampras21@mindsprings.net sllopmdegsksuld Article 24728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:07:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 04:07:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24728 In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > Thanks, Aziz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. They try to get down but they could not. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colonys unity Message-ID: References: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 20 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:32:28 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:29:17 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24729 I have heard that you can do it. I recall hearing that one colony is put on one side of the hive body and the other colony on the other side of the hive body and then place a sheet of newspaper between the colonies so as to delay their unification for awhile as they get used to one another. Watch for a queen fight, I'll bet those would be exciting to observe. I wonder if the beekeeper would have any duty to intervene? What say ye, hk1beeman? In article <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>, yosi_sarNOyoSPAM@zahav.net.il.invalid says... > Hello all > I need an advice about union of bee families. > Thank you all > Yosi Sarid > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful > Article 24730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-166-207-phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colonys unity Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:48:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a6.cf X-Server-Date: 4 May 2000 04:50:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24730 In article , Peter Amschel wrote: > I have heard that you can do it. I recall hearing that one colony is put > on one side of the hive body and the other colony on the other side of > the hive body and then place a sheet of newspaper between the colonies so > as to delay their unification for awhile as they get used to one another. > Watch for a queen fight, I'll bet those would be exciting to observe. I > wonder if the beekeeper would have any duty to intervene? > What say ye, hk1beeman? > > > In article <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>, > yosi_sarNOyoSPAM@zahav.net.il.invalid says... > > Hello all > > I need an advice about union of bee families. > > Thank you all > > Yosi Sarid > > Speaking of Bee Unity... it's a little known fact that it was honeybees, not human laborers, that Karl Marx had in mind when he uttered his famous phrase, "Workers of the world, unite!" It is due to the mistranslation of the word "workers" from the Russian to the English that resulted in the Cold War, the Partitioning of Berlin, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and, yes, the recent Elian Gonzalez saga. Truth is stranger than fact. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:50:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8eqvjd$rkl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 04:50:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24731 In article <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > > hot water to mix syrup? > > There is some truth behind this, but also some misunderstanding. > > Using boiling water will not caramelize (burn) sugar. However, adding sugar > to a pot of boiling water on high heat and letting it sit without stirring > could conceivably burn the unstirred sugar on the bottom. You probably > stirred though. It is the natural thing to do. > > Beekeepers make candy by taking sugar well above boiling, but the trick is > not to allow one area of the mix to get hot enough to burn. Burning can be > caused either by failing to stir or by using strong direct heat carelessly. > > Carmelization is fairly obvious by the flavour and brown colour. > > allen Do you konw why does the Carmelized sugar kill bees? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: 3 May 2000 05:22:28 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8eor4k$ln5$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <390F4F33.9C009C58@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24732 Drone production is directly proportional to protein levels--i.e. pollen coming in. If your colony is making drones, they are in a good spot and building up-- Keep an eye on room for incoming nectar and be ready to give room. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 May 2000 11:34:23 GMT References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24733 Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok probably. I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs indicating swarm. Oh well. Article 24734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.idt.net!attmtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:38:45 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 23 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust246.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> References: Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust246.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24734 > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > hot water to mix syrup? There is some truth behind this, but also some misunderstanding. Using boiling water will not caramelize (burn) sugar. However, adding sugar to a pot of boiling water on high heat and letting it sit without stirring could conceivably burn the unstirred sugar on the bottom. You probably stirred though. It is the natural thing to do. Beekeepers make candy by taking sugar well above boiling, but the trick is not to allow one area of the mix to get hot enough to burn. Burning can be caused either by failing to stir or by using strong direct heat carelessly. Carmelization is fairly obvious by the flavour and brown colour. allen Article 24737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957439479 nnrp-04:19541 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24737 In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com writes >HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of >Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box >eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing >is 1/4". Spacing too high. >Have anybody experinced this before? >Do any body have an explanation? Occasionally. Usually it is a damaged excluder. Sometimes it is due to faulty handling such as putting the hive body over a super and then putting it all back together, the queen having gone into the super. Very occasionally the queen may be a little too small. In your case the width is too high. Sorry I forget the exact width it should be. Someone will tell you. -- James Kilty Article 24738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:16:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957439480 nnrp-04:19541 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24738 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >Greetings, all... > >A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my >hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using >boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down >before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using >hot water to mix syrup? I always use boiling water and have found no problems. It dissolves quicker and cools down pretty quickly in contact with sugar. I think the rule may be about boiling sugar water over a stove. I think it was something else. Did you feed late? That is a known problem that can kill bees. They expend so much energy trying to convert the sugar and overstress themselves. Feeding is more exacting than a lot of people realise. Bailey's work is the prime reference I think. See also the Johannssons' book "Some important operations in bee management" IBRA 1978. It is superb on a range of ... I have checked this reference and 2 of the methods have boiling water added and one even says keep the pan on the heat! It also says do not boil the syrup. If the syrup does scorch it may be fed in the spring, when they are rearing brood and when they can fly to void. -- James Kilty Article 24739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Young" Subject: cone bee removal method Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: boby@lakecountry.net Message-ID: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:50:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-mfTXa3UWBhUq7Xk4WWLaraeaIRnlVuNVkPXAeDwVDlRVreg31Y6X8p8+vz2wN84Tv2Nr6ls0wvZqOtp!X4dFzRXeDg5rY56cSWtzXGcOHWP16T0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:50:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24739 I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds complicated and I don't have enough information. Bob Young Lindale,TX Article 24740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 2000 14:46:33 GMT References: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000504104633.14592.00002943@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24740 Hi Bill, Could you by chance point me in the direction of the study? I make my syrup the exact same way as I do for a simple syrup for canning. It boils 5 mins, never had any go bad and they go through it by the gallons when first packaged. Don't want to mess 'em up tho' Laura Article 24741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cone bee removal method Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:55:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <8ervh0$tq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 13:55:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24741 In article <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby>, boby@lakecountry.net wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed > instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee > removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds > complicated and I don't have enough information. > Bob Young > Lindale,TX > Bob, I've never heard it called the cone method but it sounds like you are talking about the same thing my daughter and I did in 1998 when bees moved into the 8" concrete block walls of my house behind the electric meter. We've refined the procedure since then as we learned more about it and have collected other colonies. But the basic procedure is not complicated. 1. Make sure the bees only have one way in and out. I did this by mortaring all around the meter box except for a space about 2 inches long. Also went into the attic and sealed around the main wire coming up out of the wall. 2. Then I secured a one inch piece of PVC pipe to the wall and meter box with duct tape. At the exit end of the pipe was a funnel made of window screen wire. This was attached to the pipe with duct tape in a cone shape. I stripped off some of the cross pieces of wire so the end of the funnel had wires parallel to the pipe sticking out about one half inch. I used a pencil to make the end of the funnel nice and smooth to form about a quarter-inch hole. Bees could exit from the wall but could not return. 3. Outside, with its entrance at the same heighth as the wall entrance, we placed a hive box with foundation and a queen in a shipping container. Using frames with drawn comb, and one or two with brood would help but we didn't have those at the time. 4. The bees ignored our new queen and hung in a big blob under the meter box so I rigged up a way to suck them off the wall with a vacuum and blow them into the new hive. This probably wasn't necessary but I was not patient. 5. After 5 to 8 weeks they will be established in the new hive. Then you can remove the one-way exit and the bees will go back into the wall and rob all of the honey. The old queen will probably already be dead by this time. They can get all of the honey out in a day and it's easy to see when they are no longer retrieving honey. 6. Then seal up the wall entrance and move your new hive wherever you want it. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Illinois State Beekeepers' Association Summer Meeting Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:33:09 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3911C265.53C27F57@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24742 Meeting announcement: Mark your calendar now for the Illinois State Beekeepers' Association Summer Meeting. This year the Little Egypt Beekeepers' Association will host the meeting in Fairfield, IL, on Saturday, June 24th. For more information contact: Howard or Beverly Tanner at (618) 842-6016 or email at ffpro2@midwest.net Article 24743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Graham Read" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Supercedure Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:05:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.12.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 957380625 62.252.12.178 (Wed, 03 May 2000 20:03:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:03:45 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24743 I've always thought of supercedure as an overwhelmingly Autumn phenomenon, and if I see Queen Cells any other time of the year I assume swarm preparation - am I wrong to think that ? Graham JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com... > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > probably. > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > indicating swarm. > Oh well. Article 24744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colonys unity Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 262 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.105 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eDUQODkgZy1mbC4uOUonPTUGPzE4MGNtPjwueDUtbCdrYDtsdSdxbHdlYWU= Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:35:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.61 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957383855 10.0.2.61 (Wed, 03 May 2000 12:57:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:57:35 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24744 Hello all I need an advice about union of bee families. Thank you all Yosi Sarid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colonys unity Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00a1bc3d.c7d6e5c1@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> Lines: 11 Bytes: 306 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.105 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eIithYSd2pDb0ZOThPeagIi7goyFjd7Qg4GTxYiQ0ZrW3YbRyJrM0crY3Ng= Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:40:46 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.61 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957384193 10.0.2.61 (Wed, 03 May 2000 13:03:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:03:13 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24745 Hello all I need some help with unity bee colonys. I will be more than happy to get some advices. Thank you all Yosi Sarid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: CcugiQip Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Date: 4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT Organization: CcugiQip Lines: 322 Message-ID: <8es76o$sao$1@nmaster.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-to16-7.tin.it X-Trace: nmaster.tin.it 957456408 29016 212.216.67.134 (4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmaster.tin.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT X-Newsreader: CcugiQip Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24746 XOOM.it Servizi Iscritti:


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Article 24747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:02:41 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.169.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 957471027 1NNUCNF1GA9D0C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24747 That has been my experience until recently. My bees seemed to ignore me most of the time. However, I reecently went to move an old hive on someones property (an abandoned hive) and they were so vicious I could not believe it. The sound and the number trying to get into the suit were horrendous. I was a little shaken after the experience. I do agree with the last comment though. Suit up well, layers of clothing and let em whine on. On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:17:19 -0400, Michael Franklin wrote: >Maybe I just have extremely passive hives, but I've only been stung once >this season, and it was my own fault. Article 24748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:59:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8er74k$37o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 06:59:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24748 In article <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com>, Steve Huston wrote: > This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... > > I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll > relay my experience, FWIW. > > This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My > strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a > few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I > think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the > weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they > made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really > queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) \ > > I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few > days, but that queen was soon gone too. > > I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the > queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them > get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of > the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. > Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I > combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so > far) ok. > > So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do > this for a job ;-) > > If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in > step 1, I'd be interested to learn. > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html > Steve, Tell me about the newspaper contents (Political, Social....etc), I will tell you why it did not work. That's very important for bees. Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:33:08 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water References: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p6-36.clinic.net X-Trace: 4 May 2000 05:32:29 -0400, d-p6-36.clinic.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!skynet.be!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!News.Destek.net!d-p6-36.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24749 > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > > hot water to mix syrup? Studies of different winter feeds showed that it is best to feed sugar syrup that has been dissolved in warm water and not to boil it. Boiled water does cause some problems, but not to the extent that it will kill off a hive. Something else is at work here, not the boiled sugar syrup. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 24750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:50:59 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3911FED2.4AB2D4AC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24750 Teri Bachus wrote: > agree with what you're saying, but beg to differ with assesment of > morphometrics as "reliable"...a technician at an unnamed (for obvious > reasons) beelab reports that it is possible to bias a test (by selecting > bees to be analyzed) to yield results that can vary from 90% ahb to 90% ehb > probabilities > from the same sample...that could conceivably be in an exceptional case, but > some variation within samples seems to be common enough, especially in > hybridized populations... Sorry I missed this message until today - I agree with you completely. Reliable, trustworthy, and honest identifiers take great pains NOT to choose the smaller, larger, or differently colored bees for analysis, just as we discard any bee with missing or damaged body parts used in the identification, even at the finish of a painstaking dissection. Morphometrical analysis of any species is not easy to learn or clearcut. It relies on population statistics. This all gets to the morals of anyone doing complicated analysis by themselves - anyone can turn the knob on a gas chromatograph at the right time to skew the results, only collect corn pollen from the healthier plants, etc., etc. Analysis of mixed populations must always be done in a random fashion, to do otherwise is dishonest. I and everyone else in the field sciences have been accused of intentional sampling errors frequently through our careers. In addition the AHB is like a coyote, with many and varied genetic components which express themselves when the animal needs to adapt to a different environment. But why would we continue in a field where distrust is so prevalent ? Mainly because we can take the heat, we want to know the answers, even if the answers are upsetting to some people, and we know what is in our own hearts. You have to be curiosity-driven to stay in this field, and let the chips fall wherever. I do not take offense at your post, for I have been there myself, and remember Howell Daly's admonition that new databases would have to be built up as the AHB moved into different climates and areas. So far as I know, this has seldom been done, save for the Weslaco BeeLab and the "second edition" of USDAID from Baton Rouge, which incorporated many SW U.S. bee samples. I hope this ramble has helped someone out there - we can but try. If you want to read Daly's original paper, which so many tried to minimize or ignore, it is - - Daly and Balling, "Identification of Africanized Honeybees in the Western Hemisphere by Discriminant Analysis" in the Journal of the Kansas Entomological Society, 17 Nov., 1978 51(4), 1978, pp. 857-869. -- John ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Research Technician, Morphometricist, Mobile Sting Target Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 24751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Donna Freeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <67GN4.24693$PV.1729320@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Maybe someday? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:24:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957482646 63.36.30.65 (Thu, 04 May 2000 16:24:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:24:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24751 Hi George; I'm new at beekeeping but a friend of mine is helping me. He lost all but two of his hives last winter, the two that made it where so big they swarmed, could they have some mite resistants? "George Styer" wrote in message news:67GN4.24693$PV.1729320@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > More than likely, several colonies have taken up residence in this old hive > over the 5 year period, each eventually crashing. Unless the guy was > actually inspecting the hive and marking the queens, he would have no way of > knowing. In short, you probably didn't miss anything other than a relatively > recent swarm that had moved in. The probability of a mite resistant stock > that can survive for 5 years and pass along this characteristic consistently > to subsequent generations is, well....were you just hit by lightning? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "d" wrote in message > news:8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net... > > Hello, > > Boy did I miss out on a opportunity of a life time. I was getting > permission > > to start a new bee yard. The gentlemen I was talking too, said boy I wish > I > > knew you had bees. I just gave a old hive of bees away. When asked about > > them, he said another bee keeper was nearly wiped out with varroa mites a > > few years back. He moved all of his hives but forgot or left this one. The > > hive has been doing great. And has done so without treatment for mites for > > about 5 years. He gave it away to someone else who immediately put a new > > queen in. Wrong. This could of been a naturally mite resistant queen. No > > treatment has been given. Maybe someone will find just the right one > > someday. > > preacher > > > > > > Article 24752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Message-ID: <957478864@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:32:38 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9054b17b REPLY: 240:44/0 19594ab8 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(168) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957482646 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24752 At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures was by a honey importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people are selling him. He said the only country that has not tried to sell him adulterated honey is New Zealand. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:12:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39121200.CF3CBAEB@fuse.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24753 JMitc1014 wrote: The "cure" was to take the drone-laying hive about 200 yards away, shake all > the bees off the frames, then leave. I put a 1-week-old nuc on the hivestand > where the drone-layer was. As told on this newsgroup and elsewhere, the > drone-layers won't be able to fly back to the hive. The foraging force will, > and hopefully will become part of the new nuc's foraging force. In my > experience, the bees don't fly back to the old hivestand. They stay with their > brood boxes and try to defend them. John: When you shake all the bees off the frames into a pile on the ground, I don't think you should leave the hive by the pile, at least beyond the time it takes to shake the bees off. Take the empty hive and either return it to the original site, or store it. The reason you may need another box at the original site it that some of the bees make it back to the original site before you can get their box back to the site. Judy in Kentucky Article 24754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Cells Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8etntg$ev8$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506288 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24754 No "TJ" wrote in message news:8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net... > I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the > frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? > > Article 24755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 07:30:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 07:30:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24755 I checked the excluder for any defect but I have not found any defect. Does this mean that the openings spacing 250/1000 (1/4") is not proper and most probably the cause. Thx, Aziz In article <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be > 163/1000 inch. > > Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor > handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: > take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; > remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; > remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it > and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); > when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against > the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the > supers; > never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the > darker, lower box; > when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the > brood box or in front of the hive. > > You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! > wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of > hybird of > > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top > box > > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder > spacing > > > is 1/4". > > > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. > They > > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Argentina honey output stuck on bad weather Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:43:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24756 posted for information/discussion purposes only: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000504/12/food-argentina-honey INTERVIEW-Updated 12:32 PM ET May 4, 2000 By Robert Elliott BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentina's beekeepers face a probable 20 percent cut in their abundant honey production this year due to topsy-turvy weather ranging from either too much rain or too little, a food sector official said late Wednesday. Coming off a sterling 1999 season when a record 95,000 tonnes were taken from the hives and Argentina led the world in honey exports, producers are expected to chalk up only 75,000 tonnes of the sweet goo this year, said Mercedes Nimo, food network coordinator at the Agriculture Department. "Production has diminished between 20 percent and 30 percent in some areas of Santa Fe, Entre Rios, Cordoba and Buenos Aires (provinces)," said Nimo. "All have suffered either flooding or drought," she added. The dip in 2000 production is partially offset by rises in select areas such as La Pampa, where 7,500 tonnes were drawn over last year's 6,800 tonnes, and central-west Santa Fe, where the hives have nearly doubled production to 70 kilograms each. Honey producers in those parts have applied new technology, strategically placed their hives and waged a constant battle against sicknesses to spur increased production. Overall production numbers have been boosted by more off-the-books beekeepers registering their spoils and a steady rise in apiary activity initially encouraged by the 1995 international price hike, Nimo said. Argentina currently has about three million hives that house some 50,000 bees apiece. About 55 percent of the country's honey spills from the hot and humid summers in Buenos Aires province, while Santa Fe chalks up 18 percent and Entre Rios about 15 percent. Last year's world-leading exports were 93,000 tonnes worth $94 million, topping China's shipments of more than 85,000 tonnes, Nimo said. Argentina's leading honey clients are the United States and Germany, who buy 75 percent of the out-going product. This year's exports are on a pace exceeding those in 1999, but overall exports are only expected to reach 70,000 tonnes. "In January and February a lot of honey is always exported, and in fact this year we've exported more than last. We'll have to see what happens during the remainder of the year," said Nimo. Argentine honey is known for its sought-after, nearly transparent quality and subsequent dear price in world markets. ((Buenos Aires Newsroom, +5411 4318-0657 buenosaires.newsroom+reuters.com)) Article 24757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jan Visser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa destructor ,TERMINATOR !!! Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:52:39 +1000 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.74.219 Message-ID: <3912eebf@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 6 May 2000 01:54:39 +1000, 203.101.74.219 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news01!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.74.219 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24757 Varroa jacobsoni has possible 5 species. The Varroa destructor is the mite from mainland Asia, 2 members of this species are harmful to the European Honey bee. The Java mite first described in 1904 as Varroa jacobsoni is harmles to the European Honeybee it is the Malaysia-Indonesia type. It is a technological challenge to find a solution for removig Varroa destructor!! Perhaps electronicaly we might solve this problem through Static electricity, by charging only the outgoing bees and letting incoming bees unhindered back into the hive through One Way tunnels with no static charge because we do want to lose the pollen or nectar. We would train the bees to come in to the middle of the landingboard which they do naturally with nectar and pollen. They walk through the black One Way tunnel unhindered. Outgoing bees have to walk through the outside white One Way tunnels on the landingboard and will be charged with Static Electricity till their hairs stand on end!!! The bees will not notice this, but the Varroa will as it has the same Static charge as the bees and will be repelled. Remember that equal static electric charges repel each other. To make the One Way tunnels we have to fit slanted soft brushes inside on top of these tunnels. The way the hairs of the brushes run determines ingoing or outgoing traffic. The hairs of the brushes are not meant to remove the Varroa but they can be of help. Underneath these tunnels is an empty space with real thin wire or mesh connecting to the opening underneath it. The bottom of this space can be slanted towards the outside to clean itself from mites and other debris. The wire or mesh has to be spaced accordingly to the size of the mite. The tunnels can be made from Nylon or some other plastic with holes or rectangular spaces the size of one single drone. The holes are across and parallel all along the full length of the entrance perhaps in 3 separate sections. Two sections for outgoing bees on the outside white in color and One section in the middle black in color for incoming bees. Bees naturally make a static electric charge by flying and attracting the pollen towards them when collecting it from the flowers. To make this static charge a special constructed solar cell has to be made for this but that is another story! In the hope I might hear your comments. Kind regards, JAN VISSER from "The Land Down Under" Article 24758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Rearing Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 19:28:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24758 I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. Thanks Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39130F2E.1175B9EE@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:12:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957550342 204.186.179.43 (Fri, 05 May 2000 14:12:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:12:22 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24759 Was there much of a nectar flow? It helps to have a good flow going when you unite. Article 24760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 39 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:05:02 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:06:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24760 I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start drawing the queens cells out. Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. Dave On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. >Thanks >Mike > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 24761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:03:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8etntk$ev8$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506292 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24761 If the colony is a good one then I would allow it to supersede. One caveat - are you sure that it is not preparing to swarm? How many cells are there? Where are they on the comb? Remember that you really need to shake most of the bees off the combs in order to find queen cells - 6 bees can hide a cell completely. "TJ" wrote in message news:8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net... > I have a colony in the process of making a supercedure cell. Is it best to > let them make their own queen or order a new one and place in hive? > > Article 24762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:06:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506296 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24762 "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" I think that should be 'Darters'. > The number of bees they take is insignificant Unless they are queens flying to mate! Article 24763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:12:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8etntu$ev8$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506302 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24763 Biggest danger is to your wallet. Sugar dissolves perfectly well in cold water if you keep it moving - heat costs money! I now use fondant to feed, but when I used to use sugar I put 25kg of sugar in an old Hoover single tub washing machine, added water to the 9 gallon mark and switched on for 20 mins. Result is a cloudy syrup that clears within an hour. Cost is far less than heating all that water. "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-0205001346230001@pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > hot water to mix syrup? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:23:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506306 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24764 Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be 163/1000 inch. Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the supers; never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the darker, lower box; when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the brood box or in front of the hive. You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > > is 1/4". > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. They > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:27:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8etnu7$ev8$6@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506311 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24765 As long as you are sure that there is no disease, you need only remove as much debris and dead bees as practical - the new bees will some clean up the combs (and a swarm would do an even better job). Not a bad idea to sterilise the combs with 80% acetic acid before adding new bees - most manuals will give you the method if you are unsure. "Jesse Hunter" wrote in message news:390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com... > I lost a couple of my hives over the winter. I think due to > starving as there was no honey near the dead cluster of bees. > My question is this, can I put a new nuc in this same hive > without cleaning it of the old honey? Also one of the hive had > what appeared to be larvae in some of the cells, could this be > wax moth? > > Thanks for the info. > > Jesse > > Article 24766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:34:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8etnud$ev8$7@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> <8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506317 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24766 Agree - it is really a waste of time - and a queen - to try to requeen a hive with laying workers; these are old bees and it is best to let them join other hives and then use the equipment more productively. "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net... > > What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker > than > > this method? > > We just shake them out in front of another (strong) hive and let them do > what they may -- or double them up with another hive. We don't ever worry > about the laying workers getting into a hive. It does not seem to do any > harm. > > To get the bees off the frames, we hold the frame so one end is up and tap > the tab on the other end sharply, but lightly on a hard object like a lid or > rock. All the bees come off with one or two taps. > > Generally our policy with any hive that has been without a good queen for > any time is to combine it with a good hive, since all the bees in the bad > hive will likely be old. We do much better making a new split somewhere in > the yard, or in the same combined hive later, than wasting resources trying > to save the old hive. > > (We had talk about the problem of laying workers in queen mating nucs some > years back on BEE-L if anyone is interested. It's easy to search from the > link at the top of the page at the link below. I used 'laying worker' and > the substring search checked. The search returns clickable links to the > original posts and allows navigating forward and back through the > discussions). > > allen > -- > Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, > winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, > wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... > > Article 24767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:45:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8etnui$ev8$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> <390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506322 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24767 Thanks Hugo, this site gives all the info available at present. "Hugo Thone" wrote in message news:390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be... > go to > > http://www.beekeeping.com/vita/pherovar.htm > -- > Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... > IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be > F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 > B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 24768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Demaree Method Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9267-39131EE4-25@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR7Hyzw6/gDin7XBT+CYPF16ND8SwIVAJm8RJn49UevM3BVtOAv/4tG6nSZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24768 Are there any beekeepers out there who use the Demaree method for swarm control/honey production? --------------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:07:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <957478864@zbee.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24769 I'm curious, how does one detect the presence of adulterants? Simple viscosity or similar test sure won't do that... Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. "Christopher Slade" wrote in message news:957478864@zbee.com... > At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures was by a honey > importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people are selling him. > He said the only country that has not tried to sell him adulterated honey is > New Zealand. > > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:54:19 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3913430B.F65D3B49@club-internet.fr> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-64-101.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 957563962 1350 213.44.64.101 (5 May 2000 21:59:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 21:59:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR To: Steve Newport Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24770 Steve, I learnt my lesson many years ago. With much confidence and 18 months experience as a beekeeper I "attacked" a hive that hadn't been touched for so many years that there were at least 10 entrances for the bees and the frames were hidden in a mass of propolis. So, I started to demolish the hive body with a hammer( the wood was rotten- easy work!).A free colony at that stage in my career was too much to loose due to a few stuck frames. I didn't get the colony after all! Peter. Article 24771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:03:17 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39133715.F90E0232@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> <39130F2E.1175B9EE@ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tL1XM5JP/KzuBs7SzWnPoswERqP1h5AC/gXUHVX+a3qlBePIl5GLGA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 21:03:18 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24771 Hi Russell, No... there was about none. Some early spring flowers (crocus, daffodils), but no nice big flowering trees. They're getting going now around here. -Steve Russell Sears wrote: > > Was there much of a nectar flow? It helps to have a good flow going > when you unite. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ebiqf$7mc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:59:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.49.98 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 957567566 141.156.49.98 (Fri, 05 May 2000 18:59:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:59:26 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24772 Would a paintball gun count as well ??? >Thanks for your input, but unfortunately, it is illegal to have unregistered >air guns in SA. In the same time, it is very very difficult to register air Wassail, Trask --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) Rogue #331 / "the amber lovin' wyvern" Meads Fermenting: Strawberry, Traditional Bulk-aging or bottled: Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry(3), Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Melon, Peach(2), Plum, Pyment, Raspberry(2),Vanilla, Sack, Braggot Article 24773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: George C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splits Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:31:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.20.92.254 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 23:31:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.20.92.254 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDghclark Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24773 I'm going to make a split this weekend. Is it necessary to leave the new split queenless for 24 hours before putting the new queen in? I have heard that this may increase the likelihood of acceptance. Thanks for any help.. George Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Site. Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:34:34 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24774 Greetings all, I have been away from the news groups etc for the last month using my spare time on our new site. www.beeworks.com now it's finished I thought I might join the fray again. Please drop by and visit, lots of FAQs, online ordering and a catalog of goodies, your comments and observations would be appreciated. Regards Dave... Article 24775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:10:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <8evuui$ctg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 02:10:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24775 I wish I could take the class, interaction is always a plus. So as I'm still absorbing the first couple chapters of her short course book, do I lock the starter colony up to prevent any flying? I'll assume so as a basement is a cool/dark place. And secondly, in the hive I choose the finishing in do I remove the queen and give the cells or just give the cells? I'm pretty excited about the concept of making my own queens. I realize this may be old hat for some. A beekeeper up here I know is going to give a run himself on quite a larger scale. It sure beats plunking down hundreds of dollars for several hundred queens each year. For me I'm hoping that I can keep the qualities of the strain of bees that a queen breeder here in Vermont makes. They are exceptional quality. And hopefully get 20-30 4frame nucs thru a winter. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike In article <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com>, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: > I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter > colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get > the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they > have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded > with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want > to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real > "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the > finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen > empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still > have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go > back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start > drawing the queens cells out. > > Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly > production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by > removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder > and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for > queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. > > Dave > > On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: > > >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and > >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony > >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality > >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? > >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. > >Thanks > >Mike > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:15:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <957478864@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 02:15:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24776 I don't know how they do it. But I've been told it's very possible but it's quite expensive on the order of 2-3 hundred bucks a sample. It involves technical laboratory testing. If someone know the chemistry of the tests please share. Mike VT In article , "Dusty Bleher" wrote: > I'm curious, how does one detect the presence of adulterants? > Simple viscosity or similar test sure won't do that... > > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > "Christopher Slade" wrote in message > news:957478864@zbee.com... > > At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures > was by a honey > > importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people > are selling him. > > He said the only country that has not tried to sell him > adulterated honey is > > New Zealand. > > > > Chris Slade > > > > --- > > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3914046E.BB79D60F@zzclinic.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 07:39:26 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: LauraMLeek Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water References: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> <20000504104633.14592.00002943@ng-ch1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-16.clinic.net X-Trace: 6 May 2000 06:38:45 -0400, d-p2-16.clinic.net Lines: 20 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-16.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24777 LauraMLeek wrote: > > Hi Bill, > Could you by chance point me in the direction of the study? I make my syrup > the exact same way as I do for a simple syrup for canning. It boils 5 mins, > never had any go bad and they go through it by the gallons when first packaged. > Don't want to mess 'em up tho' > > Laura It was a british study. If you feed at any time but fall it is fine. It is not bad for then either, but not quite as good as warm water dissolved SS. Also, they found that adding cream of tartar causes increased winter kill. So do not do that even though the Hive and Honey Bee say to do it. The problem is that most bee kills are not even seen by the beekeeper since even a 10% kill would never be seen at buildup or during the summer. So keep on doing what you are doing. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 24778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:58:01 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957636085 78105 204.216.255.92 (6 May 2000 18:01:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24778 I installed a hive two weeks ago. My first! I pulled the queen cage out about 36 hours after installation. I did my first look after that day today. I have one super. I have not fed them at all since the person I bought the equipment from told me since everything is in bloom I didn't need to. He also said that I would probably need another super in about 4 weeks. Well, the single super was almost full of comb. The bees were just about to start drawing comb on the last frame on each side. But, I don't see any eggs. I don't really know what to look for, but when I held the inner frames up to the light, it appeared clear to me. It looks like most are filled with honey and a few have some darker pollen. The hive is very active and is building well. May cells are covered in a beautiful snow white cover. I did notice about 4 or five queen cells (I think). They look like pictures in my book and are in the middle of the frames, none at the bottom, so I would assume they are supersedure queen cells. If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? Will the hive look so active, and work so hard, if there is no queen? I did put another super on top. Thanks for any help, Dave Article 24779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moved hives Message-ID: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 20:41:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 957645714 216.80.168.165 (Sat, 06 May 2000 16:41:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 16:41:54 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24779 I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so mean. Article 24780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Various Questions. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 2000 20:25:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24780 1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? 2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? 3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? 4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? 5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? 6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where do I compromise? 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the summer? 8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? 9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? 10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these simple questions? If it helps to answer the questions, I live in central Illinois. Tim W. Article 24781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: lady_in_red_hat@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.south-africa,soc.genealogy.french,alt.gossip.royalty Subject: Ninjas (are they bees)??? Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:12:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8f21ro$gub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000502032309.07405.00000788@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.123.203.165 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 21:12:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 149.123.203.165 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDlady_in_red_hat Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24781 soc.culture.south-africa:81994 soc.genealogy.french:56339 alt.gossip.royalty:32994 I found a website that spins cocoons around my brain and stings me color blind ---- about bees, silkworms, huguenot merchants, planetary configurations and royal blood lines. In addition, cosmic NINJAs!!! Help me with with this this one, p-l-e-a-s-e???!!!! Lady in Red Hat re: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/krakenwarriors/index.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 2000 13:26:00 GMT References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24782 A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <981R4.51452$fV.3206228@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957652613 12.72.48.250 (Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24783 How far did you move them? 3 ft or 3 miles is the general rule. If you want to capture the ones returning to the old site, move one of the hives back. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:39148274.11359117@news.usit.net... > I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the > workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and > started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they > will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so > mean. Article 24784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moved hives Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:19:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3914a74d.32755292@news1.radix.net> References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24784 On Sat, 06 May 2000 20:41:07 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the >workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and >started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they >will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so >mean. If someone stole your house that you would not be very pleased either. This time of year the bees work until dark. If they haven't collected a full load they stay out and wait until the next morning to return. If you have moved your hives far enough then these are the bees you are seeing. Good way to reduce your treacheal mite load! When I move bees out of pumpkins I do so at midday just for that reason. Greg the beekeep Article 24785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 01:25:01 GMT References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506212501.19418.00001806@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24785 From: gfdavis@usit.net" >I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the >workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and >started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they >will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so >mean. Bees are creatures of habit; so much so, that they'll fly out of the hive in the new location, visit the flowers, then return to the old hive location. The only solution: move the hive far enough so the bees don't recognize the territory, at least a couple miles. Then they'll mark the new location. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 01:40:40 GMT References: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506214040.19418.00001812@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24786 From: "Dave Kern" davekern@hotmail.com >Well, the single super was almost full of comb. The bees were just about to >start drawing comb on the last frame on each side. But, I don't see any >eggs. I don't really know what to look for, but when I held the inner >frames up to the light, it appeared clear to me. It looks like most are >filled with honey and a few have some darker pollen. The hive is very >active and is building well. May cells are covered in a beautiful snow >white cover. I did notice about 4 or five queen cells (I think). They look >like pictures in my book and are in the middle of the frames, none at the >bottom, so I would assume they are supersedure queen cells. My guess is that the queen was poorly mated (lots of cold days this spring in the southeast). She needs to mate with a dozen drones or more, and probably only mated with one. She apparently laid enough for them to make replacement queen cells. > >If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of >questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? No. >Will the hive look so active, and work so hard, if there is no queen? Yes, if they have good prospects. The fact that they've drawn so much comb is a good sign. It's too bad you only have one hive though. A frame or two of brood would keep up their strength until the new queen is mated, and/or give them another chance to raise one from fresh eggs. I always recommend folks start with two hives. I moved around frames between several hives today. One had swarmed, acted like they had a queen, but no eggs yet. I gave them two frames from a strong hive. Another was a nuc that wasn't building very well. There were some eggs and some older brood, but not as much as I expected, and the bees were singing the "queenless song." So I gave them a couple frames or open brood/eggs as well, and I expect to see cells on these in a few days. The bees know the young queen is failing already. Most of the others were early nucs that were about to go to pollination, but were short a frame of the minimum 5 frames of brood, so I gave them frames of sealed brood, so they'll have the necessary bees in another week. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:46:43 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8f306f$mvb$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> <20000506214040.19418.00001812@ng-bg1.aol.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957678607 23531 204.216.255.92 (7 May 2000 05:50:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24787 Thanks for the reply. > My guess is that the queen was poorly mated (lots of cold days this spring > in the southeast). She needs to mate with a dozen drones or more, and probably > only mated with one. She apparently laid enough for them to make replacement > queen cells. Actually I live in San Diego, and bought the bees from an apiary up by Sacramento. Maybe the same runs true. > >If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of > >questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? > > No. My concern was that if I had a laying worker that they would try an unsuccessfully try and make a queen. I am glad to hear that is not possible. Since it takes them about 16 days to develop a queen, at least one of them should be out by next weekend (21 days since I hived them). I am hoping the hive can live through this. > I always recommend folks start with two hives. I originally started two but lost the first hive from a dumb mistake. You can read my previous post about the great queen escape. I am planning on buying another package of bees soon. > I moved around frames between several hives today. One had swarmed, acted > like they had a queen, but no eggs yet. I gave them two frames from a strong > hive. Another was a nuc that wasn't building very well. There were some eggs > and some older brood, but not as much as I expected, and the bees were singing > the "queenless song." So I gave them a couple frames or open brood/eggs as > well, and I expect to see cells on these in a few days. The bees know the young > queen is failing already. Most of the others were early nucs that were about > to go to pollination, but were short a frame of the minimum 5 frames of brood, > so I gave them frames of sealed brood, so they'll have the necessary bees in > another week. Sounds like having a few hives is the way to go. That way you can use the others to help out a hive in need. Many things to learn. Thanks again for the help. Article 24788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:52 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 957689114 203.37.7.86 (Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24788 If you moved the hives more then 1 metre (3 feet) and less than 3000 metres (2 Miles), you have caused a major disorientation amongst the hive and will probably loose many if not most of the foraging bees. Also if 6.30am is after daybreak where you live and the air temp was above 11C then you have broken most of the rules for moving bees wrote in message news:39148274.11359117@news.usit.net... > I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the > workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and > started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they > will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so > mean. Article 24789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsf1.elp.rr.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Pollinators in Peril" Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:42:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957706947 4.33.104.153 (Sun, 07 May 2000 06:42:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 06:42:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24789 Some in this newsgroup might find this online CNN article interesting, though it is woefully weak on accuracy: http://www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/05/05/pollinators.peril/ The bottom of the article mentions that "Pollinators in Peril" will air on cable TV on CNN's Earth Matters, Sunday, May 7, at 1:30 p.m. Eastern time. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Narky" bees Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:05:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24790 I read that word "narky" in a Scottish beesletter--at any rate, they're mean (this one hive of mine). I tried to replace the queen once (got rid of the old queen) and they wouldn't accept the new one and killed her. Now, I've put a full nuc on top of the old hive and that seems to have worked--got brood, etc., so the queen has to be ok. But, their temperment is lousy--very hard to work with, and they will chase you or anyone else who gets near the hive. Will this aggressive trait be bred out of this hive with the new brood/queen? And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive (not having to do so with a full "nuc")? Article 24791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:17:16 GMT References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24791 I am sitting in my library at my computer, and my observation hive is about 10' away! I love it--it has two frames, and I replaced the glass with plexiglass and give demonstrations and talks to school age youngsters and bring the hive with me. I have several replacement sheets of "glass" so it is easy to clean and change--about every two weeks to a month between April and the end of September. The bees will overwinter without a "change" in my part of Oregon. It really is a joy to be reading and hear the hum of the bees and watch their activity (ie, bee dances). Lee Larson Article 24792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:51:57 GMT References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24792 > >And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive >(not having to do so with a full "nuc")? > > Nope mean bees are hard on queens to. I always make several new hives from one mean hive. Small hives of mean bees are easier to deal with till the new brood from the gentle replacement queen is in abundance. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: CAIR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:16:12 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d9.6f.a3 X-Server-Date: 7 May 2000 18:20:11 GMT X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24793 I checked a 3-week inspection of my newly installed hive. The bees seem to be in good shape (like I'd know if they weren't) and they have a lot of capped brood that I take to be workers (flat top). But I noticed that in several locations on the frames, the bees have built comb that forms a bridge between the frames. Is this normal or is it a problem that I should be aware of? I am using the black plastic Pierco (sp?) frames. ----- The Quran, 16:68 - "And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought." Article 24794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7glR4.53845$WF.2937156@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957735043 12.72.51.34 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24794 Any frames of foundation, either wood or plastic, must be 10/box pushed tightly together with all the end-bars in contact until drawn. Sounds like the Pierco was spread out in which case you will get comb on the same plane as the foundation. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "CAIR" wrote in message news:8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > I checked a 3-week inspection of my newly installed hive. The bees seem to > be in good shape (like I'd know if they weren't) and they have a lot of > capped brood that I take to be workers (flat top). But I noticed that in > several locations on the frames, the bees have built comb that forms a > bridge between the frames. Is this normal or is it a problem that I should > be aware of? I am using the black plastic Pierco (sp?) frames. > > ----- > > The Quran, 16:68 - "And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in > hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce > (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there > issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is > healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought." Article 24795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:30:43 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <957478864@zbee.com> <8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24795 Thanks, Mike. If someone does know, please share the underlying science--or provide pointers to such info if you have them. Given the power and scope of today's search engines, any names or chemicals involved are useful too. I design and program embedded devices. Given an understanding of the mechanism, I *might* be able to devise an small simple tester... Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. wrote in message news:8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I don't know how they do it. But I've been told it's very possible but > it's quite expensive on the order of 2-3 hundred bucks a sample. It > involves technical laboratory testing. > If someone know the chemistry of the tests please share. > Mike VT Article 24796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:06:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3915f683.16056939@news1.radix.net> References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24796 On 07 May 2000 17:05:43 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >I read that word "narky" in a Scottish beesletter--at any rate, they're mean >(this one hive of mine). I tried to replace the queen once (got rid of the old >queen) and they wouldn't accept the new one and killed her. Now, I've put a >full nuc on top of the old hive and that seems to have worked--got brood, etc., >so the queen has to be ok. > >But, their temperment is lousy--very hard to work with, and they will chase you >or anyone else who gets near the hive. Will this aggressive trait be bred out >of this hive with the new brood/queen? It takes 8 or 9 weeks to get rid of the mean ones. Bees live 6 weeks plus another 3 weeks for the eggs to develope. they will get gentler over time, then comes fall and they become protective of their stores. You just can't win. Greg the beekeep Article 24797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Message-ID: References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:34:52 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:31:42 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24797 I made an observation hive with plexiglas sides during my first year of beekeeping. I hammered boards together to make a frame into which I could place a Langstroth frame, according to plans in one of my reference books. My fortune was so good at that time that the frame I picked out of my main hives had not only plenty of honey, brood and pollen on it but it had an old queen on it too! She was a bit weathered and her wings were a little tattered but she still laid up lots of eggs and it was great watching her walk around the comb, and to watch the reactions of the others to her and to watch her stick her rear end way down into the cells to lay her eggs. It turns out that the long, narrow rear end fits perfectly down into the cells. She looks funny sticking half way out of the cell while she is doing her thing. I hung the frame out on the patio. In article <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com says... > I am sitting in my library at my computer, and my observation hive is about 10' > away! I love it--it has two frames, and I replaced the glass with plexiglass > and give demonstrations and talks to school age youngsters and bring the hive > with me. > > I have several replacement sheets of "glass" so it is easy to clean and > change--about every two weeks to a month between April and the end of > September. The bees will overwinter without a "change" in my part of Oregon. > > It really is a joy to be reading and hear the hum of the bees and watch their > activity (ie, bee dances). > > Lee Larson > > > Article 24798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 02:39:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8f59dh$r0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.148 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 08 02:39:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.148 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24798 Quite a laundry list you have here. I'll try... In article <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com>, timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: > 1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? > follow the instructions. > 2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? > follow the instructions I believe the Menthol has no illeffect on honey since it's natural > 3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? > personal preference. room for arguments. I have a thing about boring holes in good equipment but I have freinds that do and no ill effects. > 4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? > Foulbrood is always there. If you only have one hive it's risky at best not to. Use powder/sugar it doses better and more completely. Resistance has started to happen with the patty applications. > 5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? > Cut comb is easier, borrowing an extractor is also. A little more time consuming but not overly so. depends on what you want. > 6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against > the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where do > I compromise? > Wrap them in black building 'tar'paper. Mine are partially shaded in winter until around 11 am. they winter without problems from the cold which in VT we have at worst 2-3 weeks of evening temps near -20 > 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the > summer? > NO not here but in a hot place like texas maybe it's needed. You can tell if it's really to hot if they start hanging in clumps off the entrance. lifting the outer/inner cover with stick to increase ventilation or offsetting your hive bodies an inch to make more airflow will work. > 8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? > ASK HIM. You must find out what chemical he's using. If he applies it during bloom (if soybeans are targeted by bees) this would be tantamount to know. > 9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? > If it's toxics he's using you will probably have to move the hive miles away at least during application. permanently would be insurance. See about #7 first. that is critical. > 10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these simple > questions? > One week after the bees are wrapped and ready for winter B^) > If it helps to answer the questions, I live in central Illinois. > > Tim W. Happy hunny season.. Mike in VT > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39163FB4.D99A6CF2@telusplanet.net> From: netcoman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TWO QUEEN COLONIES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:16:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.199.143 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 957755784 161.184.199.143 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:16:24 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:16:24 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24799 I live in northern Alberta. I am thinking of trying a two queen colony this year. I am unclear on one detail. Do you combine the bees via two excluders to keep the queens apart and then pull the excluders before the flow, or do you keep the queens seperate the whole time and combine the workers just before the flow. Any experienced advice would be welcome. Article 24800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "Robert Hamilton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tracheal Mite Control Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:58:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.107.200 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 957758315 142.165.107.200 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:58:35 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:58:35 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24800 click on http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/hambrh/ for Tracheal Mite Control Article 24801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:06:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 957783970 24.95.75.22 (Mon, 08 May 2000 07:06:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 07:06:10 EDT Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24801 It was suggested by a local university specialist that I should encourage the creation of drone cells as a means of controlling varroa, the principle being that these mites prefer to invade the larva cells of drones -- by a factor of 8-1 according to Dadant advertising for its drone comb foundation. The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which females have laid their eggs. The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I don't know is the disadvantages. I am going about this in two ways. The university person suggested putting a thin strip of ordinary foundation in the middle of an empty frame. The motivation for this is that the bees will fill up the rest of the frame with drone cells (which seems to be happening). My source said that once the frame has significant amounts of capped drone cells to remove it, cut out a section to examine for cells for the presence of varroa, and, if found, destroy all the drone comb and reinsert the frame for another go around. I am going with this method in one hive. Dadant offers drone comb foundation and suggests that one take out frames with capped cells, freeze them to kill any mites, decap them, and return the fame. I am going with this method in two hives. Does anyone out there have experience with this method of varroa control? If so, I would appreciate any advice you would give me. Mike Geis Article 24802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news.netcologne.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.uni-paderborn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!not-for-mail From: Ahlert Schmidt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:50:17 +0200 Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Test Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3916B809.2F68CD03@mbox.botanik.uni-hannover.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc03-7.bot.uni-hannover.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de 957790197 9914 130.75.191.5 (8 May 2000 12:49:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 12:49:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24802 Controlling varroa by drone procuction is a well known method. Please refer to the web-site http://members.aol.com/Beenet8/drohnmet.htm where you will find a good descrption. With best regards Ahlert Schmidt Article 24803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring requeening Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 05:15:06 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.159.148 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957790856 207.149.159.148 (Mon, 08 May 2000 06:00:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 06:00:56 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24803 Having gone through a middling successful requeening effort in the beeyard, I am looking for a pointer or two from more experienced hands. I am not able to get my replacement queens until mid- to late April. This means that, in spite of reversing brood bodies every weekend and supering up 2-4 supers, I have several hives that are getting in a swarmy mode and starting to make queen cells. Despite my careful efforts to inspect each hive, dequeen and cut out swarm cells for a week before I intoduced the new queen(s), I still find that they supercede her in half or more of the colonies. If I can get the swarm with the new queen (marked, of course) them I can try again, but that's not always possible. So now I am thinking that requeening a swarmy colony, i.e. usually a strong colony, in the spring is just a risky idea. Quite a paradox, since I was requeening SPECIFICALLY to help reduce swarming....younger queens and all that.. My goal is to reduce swarming (I know I can't eliminate it.) I only have 15 hives, but requeening and watching swarms still fly is frustrating, and expensive if you don't end up with a new queen in place.. The bottom line question is how can you requeen to reduce swarming when half of more of them swarm again after you requeen? I have continued reversing brood bodies weekly and supering so that a least one super was mostly empty of bees, and generally cut out swarm cells (numbering 5-10 per hive), unless the hive is queenless and eggless (already swarmed). What suggestions do you wiser beekeeps have on this? I'm stumped. Article 24804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 May 2000 13:26:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24804 From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which >females have laid their eggs. You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > >The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I >don't know is the disadvantages. Very labor intensive. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <3916ba36.520703703@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> <8evuui$ctg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 99 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:06:31 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:08:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24805 I don't know if I should be giving anyone advice .. my first try was a total failure, the swarm box didn't draw out any cells at all. In the three day class you do the process hands on and actually raise queen cells. In the field, I wasn't so lucky. The grafting was actually the easiest part .. Problem 1 .. the finishing colony is huge .. I spend more than an hour and never did find the queen .. by then end of an hour, the ladies are getting pretty upset. Given this situation, I am wondering if 1) could I have shaken the queen into the swarm box .. maybe, but I tried to be careful 3) maybe my finishing colony had 2 queens already .. maybe all 4 hive bodies had capped brood and millions of bees 2) maybe I didn't have a full 4 lbs of bees in the swarm box, but I had quite a few .. they formed a cluster fine .. just not arround my queen cells. For this next try, I have now 2 excluders on the finishing colony so will try to eliminate some places the queen may be and also find out if I have more than 1 queen mother. To your questions. When you put the young bees in the swarm box .. you have wet sponges in the bottom. Shaking 8 frames of young bees, most of them stay but I kept closing the lid quickly. Yes it is closed and I kept in an old abandened root celler. Dave On Sat, 06 May 2000 02:10:34 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >I wish I could take the class, interaction is always a plus. >So as I'm still absorbing the first couple chapters of her short course >book, do I lock the starter colony up to prevent any flying? I'll assume >so as a basement is a cool/dark place. > >And secondly, in the hive I choose the finishing in do I remove the >queen and give the cells or just give the cells? > >I'm pretty excited about the concept of making my own queens. I realize >this may be old hat for some. A beekeeper up here I know is going to >give a run himself on quite a larger scale. It sure beats plunking down >hundreds of dollars for several hundred queens each year. For me I'm >hoping that I can keep the qualities of the strain of bees that a queen >breeder here in Vermont makes. They are exceptional quality. And >hopefully get 20-30 4frame nucs thru a winter. > >Thanks in advance for your input. >Mike > >In article <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com>, > hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: >> I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter >> colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get >> the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they >> have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded >> with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want >> to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real >> "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the >> finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen >> empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still >> have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go >> back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start >> drawing the queens cells out. >> >> Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly >> production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by >> removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder >> and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for >> queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. >> >> Dave >> >> On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >> >> >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and >> >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher >colony >> >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a >formality >> >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen >cells? >> >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two >hives. >> >Thanks >> >Mike >> > >> > >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> >Before you buy. >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 24806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 May 2000 07:41:29 GMT References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000508034129.14509.00001608@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24806 >1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? 28 days >2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? I'd say a couple a days >3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? I like to cut a tunnel in the front of my inner cover , bout 2 bees wide. They'll close it if'n they dont want it open >4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? > It's a good idea to treat at least once a year, used to they'd suggest making patties with it. but now they say just the powder. Oh btw its bout 50 cents cheaper at the feed store. Southern States fr example >5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? if ya got the money get a cheap extractor if ya got more'n 1 hive. >6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against >the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where >do >I compromise? > sounds like a pretty good idea so far. >7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the >summer? > ovr the years i've had better luck with em in the sun. seems like the pests leaves em alone better. >8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? > if they are out there then yes. give him some honey and ask him to spray bout dusk, most decent folks'll be glad not ta kill ya bees >9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? > see above >10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these >simple >questions? > keep watchin the skys, an ya mail box good luck Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Spring requeening Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957804756 12.72.51.228 (Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24807 Once your swarm control comes down to cutting out sealed cells, you are fighting a losing battle. One possibility is to make "temporary" splits. Introduce your new queens to the queenless half. After a while you can destroy the old queens and re-combine the splits. Another possibility is to re-queen in the fall. With 15 hives, if you want earlier queens you can try to raise them yourself. Depending on where you are, your success will vary year to year and sometimes will be completely spoiled by unmated or poorly mated queens. You will then be hard pressed to find a supplier on short notice. There are reasons why it is difficult to get quality queens before mid-April. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "William T. Singleton" wrote in message news:3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com... > Having gone through a middling successful requeening effort in the > beeyard, I am looking for a pointer or two from more experienced hands. > I am not able to get my replacement queens until mid- to late April. > This means that, in spite of reversing brood bodies every weekend and > supering up 2-4 supers, I have several hives that are getting in a > swarmy mode and starting to make queen cells. > > Despite my careful efforts to inspect each hive, dequeen and cut out > swarm cells for a week before I intoduced the new queen(s), I still find > that they supercede her in half or more of the colonies. If I can get > the swarm with the new queen (marked, of course) them I can try again, > but that's not always possible. > > So now I am thinking that requeening a swarmy colony, i.e. usually a > strong colony, in the spring is just a risky idea. Quite a paradox, > since I was requeening SPECIFICALLY to help reduce swarming....younger > queens and all that.. > > My goal is to reduce swarming (I know I can't eliminate it.) I only > have 15 hives, but requeening and watching swarms still fly is > frustrating, and expensive if you don't end up with a new queen in > place.. The bottom line question is how can you requeen to reduce > swarming when half of more of them swarm again after you requeen? I have > continued reversing brood bodies weekly and supering so that a least one > super was mostly empty of bees, and generally cut out swarm cells > (numbering 5-10 per hive), unless the hive is queenless and eggless > (already swarmed). > > What suggestions do you wiser beekeeps have on this? I'm stumped. > Article 24808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!triton.skycache.com!206.66.160.22!news-reader.ntrnet.net!not-for-mail From: DHolliday@mailandnews.com (David Holliday) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,misc.rural,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Should I requeen my bee hive? Message-ID: <3916fdc5.16506172@news.ntrnet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.241.156.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntrnet.net X-Trace: news-reader.ntrnet.net 957808362 208.241.156.212 (Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:213 misc.rural:101713 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24808 Hello everyone, I am a beginning bee keeper and I am unsure what to do with my hive. I checked it yesturday and found that there were quite a lot of drones in the hive. I would guess about half the bees were drones and the other half females. That isn't the worst of it though. I couldn't find the queen or any eggs or brood anywhere. I was under the impresion that without a queen the bees would not stay in the hive and work, which they are still doing. Should I try and requeen this hive or is it too late for this? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks David Article 24809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:47:20 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3916FDA8.30384778@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 6qO/c11u2ObUJd/OdMOepM7iXh6qEvhKDe0vVGhRZ4o/6VNOKcP7gg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 17:47:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24809 Well, I was inspecting this hive over the weekend and found the source of the problem. There was another queen (supercedure) in the hive. Since I found and removed the original (marked) queen, I thought there was no queen. Each queen I introduced was Carniolan, marked. The one I found Saturday was Italian, unmarked, and just starting to lay eggs. Well, it was an expensive education, but I won't soon forget that lesson. -Steve Steve Huston wrote: > > This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... > > I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll > relay my experience, FWIW. > > This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My > strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a > few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I > think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the > weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they > made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really > queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) > > I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few > days, but that queen was soon gone too. > > I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the > queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them > get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of > the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. > Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I > combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so > far) ok. > > So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do > this for a job ;-) > > If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in > step 1, I'd be interested to learn. > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3917022E.2BE3C3A@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NY bees and equip 4 sale -- now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:02:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 957808946 24.92.236.147 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:02:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:02:26 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24810 18 colonies for sale, 2-deep, overwintered, strong some with medium super already on central NY location ready for black locust/basswood! also abt. 70 medium supers w/comb abt. 20 deep b.c.'s w/comb several deep hive bodies etc. etc. NO history of brood disease _at all_ make offer; prefer to sell all together; located near Ithaca, three yards of 6 col's each. they must be moved out of present locations. (607) 347-6566, lv. message Freeville Article 24811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Overbuilt comb Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:08:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 957809325 24.95.75.22 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:08:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:08:45 EDT Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24811 I have a hive that began with 5 frames from a Nuc to which I added five frames with foundation. Unfortunately, the comb on one of the frames has been built way into the area where the new foundation is. For the most part, it seems to have honey in it. Should I just shave off the excess? Mike Geis Article 24812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Spring requeening Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957811242 12.72.50.33 (Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24812 After reading this, I realize that I neglected the obvious. If you have queen cells, make sure they go with the queenless half of the split. Let them work according to their biology and finish the queen rearing and you will likely end up with some very good early queens. This way you can skip ordering the queens entirely. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "George Styer" wrote in message news:ohCR4.54672$WF.3018548@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Once your swarm control comes down to cutting out sealed cells, you are > fighting a losing battle. One possibility is to make "temporary" splits. > Introduce your new queens to the queenless half. After a while you can > destroy the old queens and re-combine the splits. Article 24813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!laurel.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:51:30 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: laurel.tc.umn.edu 957811455 16010 134.84.160.46 (8 May 2000 18:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@laurel.tc.umn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24813 Greetings, Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas appreciated. DK -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 Article 24814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39170B8E.1BB9DB06@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring requeening References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:46:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.229 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957814344 206.129.117.229 (Mon, 08 May 2000 12:32:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:32:24 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24814 Thanks George. I think you are saying what I had come to think--that it was essentially too late by the time I got the (Russian) queens. The requeening was successful on the "smaller" hives, i.e. those that were less than 2 supers high in April. We had a warmer and dryer than usual spring here in western Washington (20 miles NE of Seattle) so I guess I just picked a "bad" year to try this, since the bees had such a head start. I had hoped that by dequeening and then cutting out cells for a round or two (if they appeared), that I could eliminate the supercedure when I requeened, but I guess not... They seem to have just waited for the new queen to start again with new eggs in new swarm cells. Sheesh! Maybe I'll get the hang of this in another 25 years or so... Do I have to requeen in fall, then, in order to be able to minimize swarming with regards to ensuring a "young" queen? Or is general experience so variable that having a < 9 month old queen is not so critical? Tom S Monroe, WA Article 24815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:45:45 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-157.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 957815155 98857 207.229.151.157 (8 May 2000 19:45:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 19:45:55 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24815 David - Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place into the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can see the feed level in the jar to monitor. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL U.S.A. www.beesource.com > Greetings, > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > appreciated. Article 24816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:53:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957819196 204.186.180.197 (Mon, 08 May 2000 16:53:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:53:16 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24816 Along the same line, stop at your local bakery or donut shop and pick up a 2 gallon frosting pail, they will usually give them to you. Drill some holes in them and you have a large capacity hive top feeder. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B53C8398.3A23%barry@birkey.com... > David - > > Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the > hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place into > the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can see > the feed level in the jar to monitor. > > -Barry > > -- > Barry Birkey > West Chicago, IL U.S.A. > www.beesource.com > > > > Greetings, > > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > > appreciated. > Article 24817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:49:30 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957818844 8551 130.216.90.132 (8 May 2000 20:47:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 20:47:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24817 In article <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com > > >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which > >females have laid their eggs. > > You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > One sincerely hopes that all varroa are well & truly dead before feeding them to the bream.... -- Peter Kerr School of Music apiculurist University of Auckland angler Article 24818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What color are they Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:09:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957820184 63.36.30.175 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:09:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:09:44 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24818 Hi I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? What color are your Russian bees? Thanks Donna Article 24819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:58:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3917384e.1505768@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24819 On Mon, 08 May 2000 21:09:44 GMT, "doona" wrote: >Hi >I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his >Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are >Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? >What color are your Russian bees? >Thanks >Donna > Shouldn't they be red? Greg the beekeep Article 24820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:29:07 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8f7kiu$r98$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957830558 27944 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:02:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:02:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24820 Greetings graham generally when queen cells appear in spring & summer we assume it is swarm preparation. Also, now that the Varroa mite has arrived in NZ we are planning to produce all our own queens .. or rather get the bees to do it for us. Rather than import queens onto our property and increase the risk of Varroa importation to the hives. Carman Graham Read wrote in message news:lK_P4.8703$Px3.164269@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > I've always thought of supercedure as an overwhelmingly Autumn phenomenon, > and if I see Queen Cells any other time of the year I assume swarm > preparation - am I wrong to think that ? > > Graham > > > JMitc1014 wrote in message > news:20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com... > > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, > according > > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen > is > > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > > probably. > > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. > One > > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top > of > > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if > I > > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > > indicating swarm. > > Oh well. > > > > Article 24821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:34:32 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8f7kt1$r9g$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957830881 27952 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:08:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:08:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24821 We also have a queenless hive Bees generally only live for 6 weeks and so it is interesting that the hive is even still populated and I am wondering if the neighboring beehive has colonised the queenless hive, for extra storage. We are going to unite the queenless hive with the neighboring beehive to create a single colony. carman wrote in message news:8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I > tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but > upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or > brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 > weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number > of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a > nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc > along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive > with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so > many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without > some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & > appreciated > -- > repbees > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957828903 12.72.48.18 (Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24822 Genetics is not my strong suit but isn't it true that there will be a lot of variation in early year 2000 Russian queens? Aren't they essentially hybrids since they have not (naturally) mated with Russian drones? For example: let's say I am a breeder of naturally mated Italians and I have taken great efforts to saturate the area with Italian drones. I decide to try my hand at Russians and buy a breeder queen. I graft from her and put the sealed cells in mating nucs. At this point there are essentially zero Russian drones in the area so she mates with the Italians. The result is a hybrid. But demand being what it is, I am happy to sell them as "Russian". Hopefully I will have sold you a good hybrid and having no experience with them you will be happy and will come back to me next year when I can sell you a true Russian. Any geneticist want to weigh in? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "doona" wrote in message news:s2GR4.39057$x4.1286570@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hi > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > What color are your Russian bees? > Thanks > Donna > > Article 24823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple queens in swarms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:54:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.184 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957832832 206.129.117.184 (Mon, 08 May 2000 17:40:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:40:32 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24823 How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a swarm? I have had several swarms this season in which I found multiple queens; once four queens, twice three queens, and several times (almost normally) two queens. In one case, I watched the swarm from issue to gathering, and that swarm had two queens in it, so it is not from the common landing of two separate swarms, at least in that case. These swarms are somewhat large, but not uncommonly so. I am just wondering how normal this is, since I didn't have as good an "eye" for spotting queens before this year. Since I've had several days of having to handle 3 to 6 swarms per day I've needed to dequeen some of these swarms before combining them. I hadn't even thought before of looking for multiple queens until I happened to keep finding them as I scanned the swarm during handling/hiving. Anyone have an idea what's going on here?. TIA for any ideas, Tom S. Monroe, WA Article 24824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 56 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.52.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957830171 12.72.52.81 (Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24824 Jeez, I have to quit posting when I should be working. I left out a critical generation. In my example the breeder I bought would have been a hybrid. Isn't this what the USDA essentially did, release hybrid breeder stock? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "George Styer" wrote in message news:HaIR4.55407$fV.3422405@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Genetics is not my strong suit but isn't it true that there will be a lot of > variation in early year 2000 Russian queens? Aren't they essentially hybrids > since they have not (naturally) mated with Russian drones? > > For example: let's say I am a breeder of naturally mated Italians and I have > taken great efforts to saturate the area with Italian drones. I decide to > try my hand at Russians and buy a breeder queen. I graft from her and put > the sealed cells in mating nucs. At this point there are essentially zero > Russian drones in the area so she mates with the Italians. The result is a > hybrid. But demand being what it is, I am happy to sell them as "Russian". > Hopefully I will have sold you a good hybrid and having no experience with > them you will be happy and will come back to me next year when I can sell > you a true Russian. > > Any geneticist want to weigh in? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "doona" wrote in message > news:s2GR4.39057$x4.1286570@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Hi > > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > > What color are your Russian bees? > > Thanks > > Donna > > > > > > Article 24825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:49:57 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8f7lq0$rio$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957831808 28248 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:23:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24825 Greetings John Thanks for sharing the pictures of your observatories. We have been thinking of building something like that for quite a while as we have seen observation hives in various locations around NZ... one of which is a natural comb observation hive. We weren't sure how to go about building one and the most suitable design .... your designs are fantastic!! especially the arboretum .. good inspiration Your website is pretty superb as well many thanks carman NZ John Caldeira wrote in message news:gekpgscn8giuidbgfpnvuuu39j07kl3n69@4ax.com... > Simon de Vet wrote: > >At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > >beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > >ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > >wall. > >Anyone else seen hives like this? > > > >Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Yes, and observation hives are relatively easy to build. > > Pictures of several observation hives that I designed and built are on > my web site (below), along with some design tips. > > -John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Message-ID: <91qehsg1htmek2i34jmdlimpfebkd3dvff@4ax.com> References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:27:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957835645 4.33.104.153 (Mon, 08 May 2000 18:27:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:27:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24826 David Kelley wrote: >Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a >package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. A pail feeder can be placed INSIDE the hive, on the far end from the entrance, on top of a few sticks. Just don't let it interfere with their comb building by leaving it in too long. Pail feeders have much more syrup capacity than a baggie, and you'll probably want that with a package of bees, though a baggie will work too. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping contacts Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:06:43 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8f7mpe$rrp$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957832814 28537 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:40:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:40:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24827 Peter Kerr wrote in message news:p.kerr-2804001625540001@news.auckland.ac.nz... > In article <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > > Latest update the Beekeepers Assoc meets with Govt officials on Monday and > > last I heard the NBA was going to recommend destruction. > > I received a phone call yesterday from one who has been inspecting hives > > within the exclusion zone, during the course of discussions it was > > mentioned that most Northland beekeepers are against the mass destruction. > > > > What does "destruction" mean in this context? > Just bees and brood comb, and fumigation of hives and furniture? > Or burning the lot as for AFB? I guess we'll know at the end of June... apparently the date when the verdict will be passed snip > Idle speculation may be futile, but there were murmurings a few years >back about bringing in some new genetic material. Even threats that if >MAF > wouldn't allow it thru its quarantined station at Mt Albert, someone might > smuggle a fertilised queen. Well, they did it with the rabbit virus... Hey !!! who says my speculation is idle? ..... might be i'm actively speculating (hehe) Actually I heard a rumour ... someone told me that there is a beekeeper in Auckland who always bragged about his genetically superior bees and how far ahead he is of the rest of the land ... word has it there was suspicion that he was importing queens .. have you heard that rumour? any truth you suppose? carman - Waikato > -- > Peter Kerr proficiency in vi > School of Music is a sign of a > University of Auckland mis-spent youth Article 24828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39175681.16E689AB@bigfoot.com> From: Tom Singleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:06:25 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.184 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957833529 206.129.117.184 (Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:09 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24828 Hi Doona, I understand what George says, however, the 15 queens that recently I got from Taber/Parisian (Honeybee Genetics, Vacaville, CA, USA) were uniformly very dark. In fact I happened to get the first shipment (accidently) unmarked and had introduced them in the first six colonies before I realized that inside those cages they were unmarked. Believe me, I'll check closer next time... Nonetheless, on getting my next shipment and checking I discovered that they were so much darker on the abdomen that I felt relatively certain in being able to tell who was who when I went into those first hives looking to determine if my replacement queen was there. But I am sure, as George points out, that there is variation. My personal experience of just these 15 queens received in two shipments from a single breeder was that they were uniformly distinctively dark (as compared to my Yugos). Tom S. Monroe, WA doona wrote: > Hi > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > What color are your Russian bees? > Thanks > Donna Article 24829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Lines: 55 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957843000 12.72.49.172 (Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24829 I'm having a hard time visualizing how the bees will get to the feeder through the top bars. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Royal W. Draper" wrote in message news:0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net... > Along the same line, stop at your local bakery or donut shop and pick up a 2 > gallon frosting pail, they will usually give them to you. Drill some holes > in them and you have a large capacity hive top feeder. > > Royal W. Draper > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > 800-233-4273 > draperb@ptd.net > www.draperbee.com > > Barry Birkey wrote in message > news:B53C8398.3A23%barry@birkey.com... > > David - > > > > Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the > > hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place > into > > the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can > see > > the feed level in the jar to monitor. > > > > -Barry > > > > -- > > Barry Birkey > > West Chicago, IL U.S.A. > > www.beesource.com > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > > > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > > > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > > > appreciated. > > > > Article 24830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I requeen my bee hive? Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <20039-391785C3-18@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3916fdc5.16506172@news.ntrnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRyi3YNMxn3s3TOKpm/65BF+MDE6gIUWVa5POkCKXX7J7J8TQc2r1zwdBw= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24830 Check around with other local beekeepers to see if you can get a nuc to combine with. This may be your best option if you do not have any other hives. It would not cost that much more and you would be far ahead of what you would get with just a new queen. -------------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Roel ten Klei" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ns reisplanner Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:19:20 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline - The Internet Communication Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8f8024$553$1@nereid.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp213-165.worldonline.nl X-Trace: nereid.worldonline.nl 957842308 5283 195.241.213.165 (9 May 2000 03:18:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 03:18:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24831 heeft iemand enig idee waar de nieuwste ns reisplanner te downloaden is? Article 24832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:51:39 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-150-164.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 957844309 46704 207.229.150.164 (9 May 2000 03:51:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 03:51:49 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24832 > I'm having a hard time visualizing how the bees will get to the feeder > through the top bars. George - Now that you mention it, so am I. I forget that most TBH's leave no space between the top bars. I suppose one could simply cut a notch out of two opposing top bars to allow space for bees to come up and access the feeder jar. I have a few migratory tops with such holes cut into them and they work great over conventional top bars. Regards, Barry Article 24833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capturing wild bees Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:20:33 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957846240 1875 204.216.255.92 (9 May 2000 04:24:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24833 I have one hive and want to start another. A friend who lives about 40 miles away has a wild colony on his property that he wants to get rid of. I have agreed to go and capture the colony and put it in a hive if I can leave the bees on his property (a different location). I don't want to bring it home until I am sure it doesn't have any diseases. I have a couple of questions. Is there a way to sanitize my equipment so if the wild bees have any diseases I don't bring them home? What is the easiest way to capture the bees? They are in a storage cabinet that is easily accessible. How should I get the bees out? What should I do with their current comb? If I move the hive a few hundred feet, how many bees should I expect to lose since I am breaking the 3 feet / 3 mile rule? Thursday is the big day. I plan to go over in the early evening. Is this a good time? Thanks for any help. Article 24834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 05:41:22 GMT References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24834 >How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a >swarm? Pretty common. As you noted, we don't usually look. Most prime swarms have a mated queen and one or more virgins. Sometimes swarms merge and you have more mated queens. Once a friend and I dropped a huge swarm on a sheet in front of hive and we were snatching queens as they ran into the hive. We had three mated queens and 18 virgins. Afterswarms often have just one virgin queen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:15:15 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869017 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24835 Darners is right - for the long-bodied type which look like big long needles. These are also known as Hawkers because of the behaviour described in the original post (Odonata, Aeshnidae, Aeshna the best known genus). Darters are the shorter flatter type of dragonfly which tend to hunt by darting out from a sitting lookout point (Odonata, Libellulidae, Libellula the best known genus with its flat bright coloured body). Names vary with locality. Martin. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "JMitc1014" wrote in message > news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" > > I think that should be 'Darters'. > > > The number of bees they take is insignificant > > Unless they are queens flying to mate! > > Article 24836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:17:30 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869018 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24836 I'm told they are OK fried as an hors d'oevre. Look on the Varroa as an added condiment! Martin. Dave Green wrote in message news:20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com... > From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com > > > >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which > >females have laid their eggs. > > You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > > > > >The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I > >don't know is the disadvantages. > > Very labor intensive. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cone bee removal method Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:29:26 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8f8q4s$b8l$3@lure.pipex.net> References: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869020 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24837 I use a vacuum cleaner. It is attached to the top lid of a big double plastic tub in which the bees collect. Vac takes air out of top tub A, which gets its air from tub B via a mesh screen between base of A and lid of B which are screwed together (plywood circles each side, like a sandwich). To control suction, cut a couple of U shaped cuts in side of tub A so that if pressure is enough to damage bees these tongues of plastic bend in and bleed air into the system. It's easier to construct if you use a hand held vac so it's portable, attach the vac to lid of top tub A, Use a smaller tub for A so there's space off-centre for the bees-inwards pipe to go through the lid at one side. that way you can swap tub B for a fresh one anytime and keep working. Use lids pierced with breather holes. Sounds complicated but it isn't, and a whole lot lighter than wooden or metal versions. The test is that my friends are always asking to borrow it to get swarms out of difficult places. Also great for picking up stragglers so you get a swarm completely in just one visit. I dump the bee tub upside down on crown board of a hive and they move down in their own time. Easy way to unite small swarms. Martin. Bob Young wrote in message news:01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby... > I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed > instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee > removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds > complicated and I don't have enough information. > Bob Young > Lindale,TX Article 24838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I requeen my bee hive? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 16:53:28 GMT References: <20039-391785C3-18@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509125328.24312.00001951@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24838 Look closely at the drone brood. If the drones are in worker sized cells you have a problem. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:02:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24839 my hive swarm 2 weeks ago, i thought i had got all the queen cells, guess i didnt. due to a new job, i have not been out to my hive in these 2 weeks. i am still new to this beekeeping thing. should i order a new queen and try to look for the emerge queen and kill her? ( i am worried i may not find her, still have trouble reconnizing the queen.) the bees are collecting in front of the hive again, I have one super on. should i keep looking for swarm cells? Article 24840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I design and host web sites for insect traders Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:30:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.244.12.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957864630 216.244.12.77 (Tue, 09 May 2000 02:30:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:30:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24840 If you have insect/arachnid specimens to sell or trade and would like to get an inexpensive web site for your enterprise, this message will be of interest to you. 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Thank you Article 24841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 11:17:10 GMT References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509071710.05267.00001468@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24841 From: shelley corbin svcorbin@usol.com >my hive swarm 2 weeks ago, i thought i had got all the queen cells, >guess i didnt. due to a new job, i have not been out to my hive in these >2 weeks. i am still new to this beekeeping thing. should i order a new >queen and try to look for the emerge queen and kill her? ( i am worried >i may not find her, still have trouble reconnizing the queen.) >the bees are collecting in front of the hive again, I have one super on. >should i keep looking for swarm cells? No! Who told you to cut out swarm cells? Find them and jack them up good! That is a thoroughly discredited means of swarm control. What you described is just exactly what winds up happening in far too many cases. For those of you who still have this season ahead, here's the message loud and clear: CUTTING OUT QUEEN CELLS IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY! All you *dabblers* and *putterers,* QUIT telling the newbies to do this! Once you find swarm cells, your other methods of swarm control have failed; their fate is sealed, and you need to admit it and go with the flow. They are determined to reproduce, so HELP THEM REPRODUCE! It's time to split the bees. Cutting out swarm cells is time consuming, keeps the bees demoralized, and, in the end will usually fail. So first things first: Shelley, go to the bee list archives, or the s.a.beekeeping archives, (http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm) and run a search for "swarm control." Basically, you keep young queens and give them lots of room to keep laying, and there are lots of ways to accomplish that. Two year old queens are programmed to swarm, and it takes A LOT more work to keep them from it. It can be done, usually, but not after you have found cells. Now to the problem at hand, Shelley: You probably have a queen, and she'll probably be fine. The key thing is: will she get mated? If the weather is too poor for mating flights, or a dragonfly gets her as she flies (she's a choise morsel for them), then you have basically lost your hive. If you try to introduce a queen, and the bees already have a virgin, they won't accept the queen you give, so you've wasted the cost of a queen. By the time you KNOW the queen they raised is not going to make it, the bees are mostly old bees (mean as the dickens a lot of times) and they will kill an introduced queen. You will not have this happen in the majority of cases, but it does happen. The solution, no matter what the case, is adding brood, which is why experienced beekeepers always recommend that new ones start with two hives. Take a frame or two of brood each week to give the hive that you don't know the queen status. Make sure there are at least a few eggs. This will accomplish three things: 1. It will test whether you have a queen in the process (if they immediately draw queen cells, you don't). 2. It will give them a chance to raise a queen that they WILL accept, and 3. It will help keep their strength up and keep some young bees coming on, so the population is balanced and they won't be so mean. Now it's harder introduce frames of brood, if you have only one hive. Perhaps you can talk another beekeeper out of a couple frames of brood. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Center of the Swarm Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 11:29:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24842 A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39184B56.E9041F7D@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8f7kt1$r9g$1@news.wave.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:30:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957893413 204.186.179.69 (Tue, 09 May 2000 13:30:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:30:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24843 I doubt if the neighboring colony is using the hive for storage. They would steal whatever is available and carry it to their own hive. Make sure the hive is queenless (no brood or eggs). If it were mine, I would give requeening a shot. As long as the hive doesn't have any laying workers you have a decent shot at saving it. Just don't give them any brood when you introduce the new queen as I did earlier this year. I'm pretty sure they wasted my nice new queen because they are raising new ones off of the brood frames that I gave them. Beekeeping is so humbling! Article 24844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 19:14:34 GMT References: <39175681.16E689AB@bigfoot.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509151434.14581.00004284@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24844 George is right about the mating. The first true Russian queens that will be available this summer will be artificially inseminated with Russian drone semen. Whether any of the much-vaunted benefits of the Russians will appear in these hybrids is a crap-shoot. Article 24845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:31:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 09 19:31:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24845 In article <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com>, "Dave Kern" wrote: > I have one hive and want to start another. A friend who lives about 40 > miles away has a wild colony on his property that he wants to get rid of. I > have agreed to go and capture the colony and put it in a hive if I can leave > the bees on his property (a different location). I don't want to bring it > home until I am sure it doesn't have any diseases. I have a couple of > questions. > > Is there a way to sanitize my equipment so if the wild bees have any > diseases I don't bring them home? > > What is the easiest way to capture the bees? They are in a storage cabinet > that is easily accessible. How should I get the bees out? What should I do > with their current comb? > > If I move the hive a few hundred feet, how many bees should I expect to lose > since I am breaking the 3 feet / 3 mile rule? > > Thursday is the big day. I plan to go over in the early evening. Is this a > good time? > > Thanks for any help. > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I think a few hundred feet is too close. Of course the best way to move them is to find their queen and place her in the box where you want them. So far we have not been able to find a queen so we just brush or vacuum the whole blob and put them in a hive box, or buckets with screen tops. It's easy to tell which bucket the queen is in because bees will congregate on the outside of the screen. I made some wire cages that take up the space of two frames to hold comb that has plenty of brood. If there are not many bees we may also try to save some of the honey and pollen comb to help them get started again. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:18:12 -0400 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 21 Message-ID: <39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca> References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24846 I did a split last weekend. I *think* it was successfuly, but I will find out in the upcoming weeks. Can you explain what you mean by 'Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older'. thanks, BeeCrofter wrote: > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com -- Mark Veltman Article 24847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Traps Work Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 13:30:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509093050.21268.00002158@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24847 This is just a fast post for those who never saw a swarm trap in action this pic shows a trap 20 yards from my bee yard 10 foot up in a tree catching a swarm I might not have because sometimes your just to busy. http://members.aol.com/RollingHillzFarm/swarm1.jpg Garry Knowin Kevins Bee Vac is great but this was the real easy way :~} Article 24848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Trappin the easy way Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 13:33:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509093302.21268.00002159@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24848 This is a picture of a swarm trap 20 yards from my yard 10 feet up in a tree with a phermone lure in it doin its job when i was to busy to do mine. http://members.aol.com/RollingHillzFarm/swarm1.jpg Enjoy Garry Article 24849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Center of the Swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:50:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.b5 X-Server-Date: 9 May 2000 13:53:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24849 In article <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. > http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm > VERY cool and very educational presentation, Dave! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:45:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.b5 X-Server-Date: 9 May 2000 13:47:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24850 In article <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a > >swarm? > > Pretty common. As you noted, we don't usually look. Most prime swarms have > a mated queen and one or more virgins. Sometimes swarms merge and you have > more mated queens. Once a friend and I dropped a huge swarm on a sheet in > front of hive and we were snatching queens as they ran into the hive. We had > three mated queens and 18 virgins. > > Afterswarms often have just one virgin queen. I put a rather small swarm in my hive nearly two weeks ago. There's a queen in there, and she seems healthy, but I don't see any eggs yet. How long does she usually wait before going on a mating flight and/or beginning to lay eggs after she's hived? The hive is one that was left with a lot of honey and plenty of pollen/honey mix stored in the comb from the colony that died out over the winter. Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Rob Overton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bees needed Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:45:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24851 Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone calls. I live in NY. Thanks, Rob.. Article 24852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ to eliminate Varroa? not yet... Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:47:35 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 127 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957919527 13481 130.216.90.132 (10 May 2000 00:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 00:45:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24852 On Monday 8 May more than 200 beekeepers from all over the upper half of the North Island gathered in South Auckland to hear industry leaders, NBA executives, and government scientists outline their present understanding of the Varroa infestation. We saw a bee pathologist from the Ministry of Agriculture present movies and colored presentations on the lifecycle, and the worldwide spread of V. jacobsonii, and give some information on chemical control measures. We saw an epidemiologist from the National Disease Information Centre (responsible to the Minister of BioSecurity) show map projections of the likely future spread of varroa through New Zealand if nothing was done, and if internationally accepted control measures were taken (eg. Apistan). Surprisingly (or perhaps not) the controlled spread was only about 2 years behind the do nothing spread because of spread by ferals and subclinical infection in migratory hives. Amongst the audience were some people frightened for their future, and for the future of the people they employed. There were some people angry that the government appeared to be doing too little, too slowly. But as the epidemiologist pointed out we still have time, varroa spreads slowly on its own, not like say foot and mouth where the virus is wind borne, and all cattle within a given radius and downwind must be slaughtered whether they have visible signs or not. The biggest factor in the spread of varroa (as with AFB) is the actions of beekeepers. So the emphasis has been on stopping hive movement, and checking all sites where bees have been moved to or from. This exercise has been compounded by the discovery of over 8000 unregistered hives on nearly 600 sites owned by about 130 beekeepers. The law requires now (Apiaries Act, and AFB Pest Management Strategy under Biosecurity Act) that all places where bees are kept for more than seven days must be registered as an apiary. Obviously laying 600 prosecutions against 130 persons would be a major diversion from the urgency of the varroa exercise. All sites found have been registered immediately where owners are known, apparently in many cases by numbers on the hives of beekeepers who do have other sites registered. It may be futile to consider action later against these people... The greatest fear is the fear of the unknown. In this case we do not yet know if any other exotic pathogens came in with varroa. The initial official thrust was to establish the extent of spread of varroa. It was only at the insistence of NBA that testing for EFB, tracheal mites and tropilaelaps was started on samples from the apparent centre of infestation. Lab results will not be back till the end of this week. It is assumed that any virus for which varroa is a vector will be present The epidemiologist seemed to favor an attempt at eradication. When pressed for an estimate of the chances that this could be successful she gave a figure that, while high, was somewhat less than 100%. The pathologist wanted people to prepare to live with varroa. When asked, if eradication was successful, how long would it be before varroa was back again, he became optimistic, and suggested that since it had taken at least 20 years for it to get here, it might take up to 20 years before it came back again... It was estimated that it could cost an extra NZ$14 per hive for Apistan for the most efficient and successful beekeepers. Those whose management techniques were not up to scratch would find it costing more than $14 per hive, and some may find other lines of business more profitable... The Animal Remedies Act requires that any substance administered to an animal for medicinal purposes must be registered as a remedy. This is to control such thing as efficacy, toxicity to other species, and residual quantities and withholding periods in the case of food producing animals. Formal registration of Apistan is still 6 to 8 weeks away. Overseas use, registration, or lab tests are not sufficient. Some of the tetsting must be done here under local conditions. Presumably thymol and oil of wintergreen will also need to be registered... A positive note was sounded by a well known local honey producer, that most of the rest of the world has varroa, and is still producing honey, more of it, more cheaply than us. The best thing to do in the meantime was to get on with the business of beekeeping. If eradication is chosen, ferals, and all unregistered hives, will be "depopulated" by slow release poison baits laid at 1 kilometre intervals over the affected area. Registered hives would be killed on the spot, woodware with the possible exception of brood frames could be re-used. The cost of this is known and is included in the figure of NZ$50 million published in local papers last week. Horticultural pollination services for next season would be supplied by hives from outside the area being brought in, then "depopulated" to be refilled for the following season. Some would remain as controls to determine the success or otherwise of eradication. Further unknowns: although V. jacobsonii will die within 5 days without a live bee host, it is not known how long they can live without reproducing when carried on bumble bees. Unknown is the extent of pollination of orchards, pasture and crops such as onions and pumpkins, by feral bees. One estimate is of an 80% reduction in clover content of dry hill country pasture when varroa eliminates ferals. Further tracing continues of hive movements near Te Puke, 60 km outside the orginal infected zone, following the discovery of an unregistered dump site for pollination hives which had come from the infected area... Border control has declined in the past 15 years with "restructuring", staff and budget cuts, and the belief by treasury gnomes that random audit can be as effective as continual control. Less than 5% of shipping containers entering NZ are now routinely inspected for Biosecurity hazards. Ultimately the decision to eradicate or live with varroa will be a political one. Cabinet will decide with the advice of their officials, who are still gathering the numbers... Disclaimer: this is not an official report, it is what one beekeeper has seen and heard. NZ National Beekeepers' Association posts varroa news at http://www.nba.org.nz/news.html NZ Ministry of Agriculture media releases are at http://www.maf.govt.nz/MAFnet/index/Varroa.html -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:33:23 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> <39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24853 When the egg is first laid it stands straight on the cell bottom, when it hatches( 3 days) it tips over and lays on it's side and a slight wetness shows the bees are feeding it. Mark Veltman wrote in message news:39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca... > I did a split last weekend. I *think* it was successfuly, but I will find out > in the upcoming weeks. Can you explain what you mean by 'Standup eggs are > fresh laydown eggs are older'. > > thanks, > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > -- > Mark Veltman > > Article 24854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:36:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24854 Hi Shelly, Is it warm where you are? They could be just hanging out :-) Is there a nectar flow? After the first swarm it usually takes about 4 weeks to get things back to normal, that is a laying queen. If they want to swarm again then the bees will keep the 2 queens apart. It's up to you if you want to re queen or not. You could wait to see what her off spring are like. Look for the queen where the eggs are. Make sure there is room for the queen to lay in the brood nest. I have put the second super on here in Ontario, the first is over 1/4 full. Kent Article 24855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eggs in honey super Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:13:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24855 Hi folks, I'm a second year beekeeper. I put excluders & supers on my two hives a few weeks ago (after they both swarmed) and the bees seemed reluctant to cross the excluder & would not start drawing comb in the supers. In accordance with popular advice, I removed the excluders so the bees would move up & get started working on the supers, with intentions of putting them back as soon as the bees got some comb drawn. Well, I waited a little too long on one hive. It has two supers on it & they had drawn at least some comb on most of the frames of the lower super, which is fine, but in three of the frames, there were eggs. Also, quite of few of the eggs were laid in cells which the bees had enlarged (drone cells ??), but not all of them. After I discovered this, I thoroughly inspected the frames in the super to make sure the queen wasn't up there & moved the three frames with eggs in them to the end so I'd remember which ones they were. Then I put the excluder in place & put the hive back together. I had two supers on the hive & I put the other one (comb not drawn) below the one with the eggs in it, in hopes of getting them started on it sooner too. Was reversing the supers advisable, or should I put them back the way they were (already drawn one below & other on top)? Did I do the right thing about the super with eggs in it by just leaving it the way it was? I assume that I shouldn't use the frames that have had eggs in them as comb honey (it's comb foundation), since larvae tend to leave behind stuff you might not want to eat. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 24856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:55:27 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24856 not all that uncommon, most likely these are afterswarms with virgins, no need to dequeen as they are just hedging their bets and will sort themselves out naturally...however if you are in africanized bee territory swarms tend to "amalgamate" commonly with multiple queens not necessarily all virgins...(see also previous posting on cape bees). Article 24857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 04:21:52 GMT References: <20000509153403.14583.00004349@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510002152.07429.00002211@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24857 From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) > This is anecdotal, but the only time I've ever seen dragonflies hunting >over >my Eastern Mass. apiaries is at dusk. Queens generally don't mate at dusk. I >don't have my reference material in front of me, but I think queens fly >between >10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Of course, the behavior of dragonflies, like bees, could >differ according to various factors like race, suborder, species, climate and >location. Yup. Ask any southeastern US queen breeder. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 19:34:03 GMT References: <20000509071710.05267.00001468@ng-cq1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509153403.14583.00004349@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24858 Dave wrote: If the weather is too poor for mating flights, or a dragonfly gets her as she flies (she's a choise morsel for them), then you have basically lost your hive. This is anecdotal, but the only time I've ever seen dragonflies hunting over my Eastern Mass. apiaries is at dusk. Queens generally don't mate at dusk. I don't have my reference material in front of me, but I think queens fly between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Of course, the behavior of dragonflies, like bees, could differ according to various factors like race, suborder, species, climate and location. Article 24859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:47:59 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957934287 84075 204.216.255.92 (10 May 2000 04:51:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24859 I am new to beekeeping as will be obvious. I opened up my first hive after a couple of weeks and saw about six to seven frames drawn out. There were frames of capped cells. I couldn't see any eggs / larvae when I held it up to the sunlight. Someone told me to try and hold it down so the light shows into the cells and look for eggs / larvae. How can I tell the difference between capped honey and capped brood? Would they cap honey so soon? Article 24860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: The Center of the Swarm Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <957935292.248464@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-33.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:48 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 957935308 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:28 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:28 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24860 Ditto!!! Just great. Liz (Auckland NZ) Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0905000750570001@pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net... > In article <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com>, > pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > > > A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. > > http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm > > > > > VERY cool and very educational presentation, Dave! > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees needed Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:01:46 GMT References: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510110146.05666.00001860@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24861 >Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for >immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in >Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship >before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone >calls. I live in NY. If you are near Dundee, Wixxson is getting in a truckoad of nucs in the next couple days. I think he'll have some spares. Nucs will be off and going quicker than packages, because they already have brood the day you get them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:26:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 957968487 204.244.87.79 (Wed, 10 May 2000 07:21:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:21:27 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24862 Hi Vicky, Capped honey looks a bit translucent and the frame is mainly flat on the surface with small veins. Capped brood is yellow, opaque and each cell is a little convex. Very convex capped brood (bullet like) easy to see the difference, are drones. Larvaes look like coiled white worms on bottom of cell usually close to the lightest yellow capped brood. Eggs are seen like you said, and close to the smallest larvaes. Every one of those above should be seen almost at all times as well as pollen. 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  --------------7589DF07BF4630737AA2EA63-- Article 24864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 180% increase in bee complaints in S. CA Lines: 134 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:03:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000510110315.24101.00001127@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24864 Submitted to bee-l. Cross posted here. In a message dated 5/10/00 7:06:21 AM, dewsnap@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes: << Obviously a small beekeeping group cannot handle every situation, but how are things done in other areas (in regards to answering calls in areas infested with Africanized honeybees)? >> Not very well I gather from the following article. Ignorant fear about honeybees seems to be rampant in the land of Hollywood. From what follows, it seems there is a kill-on-sight attitude, if not a law, for honeybees in S. California now that Africanized honeybees have arrived. Some problems: 1) There is a glaring (to me) error of accuracy, on the part of both the vector control people and the reporter. The "bees" are building their "hive" in the roots of a magnolia tree. Honeybees don't nest in the ground, unless this is a behavioral characteristic of Africanized honeybees I'm not aware of. The vector control people are either ignorant, or they are purposely misrepresenting the type of insect to mug for the reporter who is doing a story on "killer bees." 2) Why are these state-government "professionals" dousing hives with pesticides in the middle of the day, and then leaving a "bucket of pesticides" to come back a second time and kill the foragers in a few days? In addition to being wasteful (2 visits), it creates an extremely dangerous situation for several days as the returning foragers are extremely volatile! This is a terribly irresponsible situation, and leaves the city wide-open to a lawsuit. It also will leave an indelibly negative imprint on the minds and attitudes of people living in the surrounding area about the behavior of honeybees. 3) I find the journalist's flip characterization of the pesticide applicators' work destroying bee hives as glamorous and glorious to be offensive, gross. The part about these guys standing around a woman's yard trying to pressure her to come on her property and kill a swarm sounds like abuse of their mandate as state workers. 4) The only California victim of the "killer" bees, according to this article, was a Long Beach beekeeper who was stung 50 times. Are there any beekeepers out there who have had a bad day with their European bees and been stung dozens of times? The point is, this happens to beekeepers. The story is more indicative of the hazards of beekeeping rather than the hazards of AHB, especially for those among us who don't always wear a full suit. It is highly unlikely to happen to somebody who isn't messing around with a bee hive. This is also a classic example of why beekeeps who mug for the cameras with minimal (or no) protective gear are irresponsible to set the example. 5) "These are the golden days for bee workers, a time of high public appreciation and elevated status among their pest control brethren." Is this reporting, or a public relations campaign? Personally, I receive elevated status among my pest control brethren when I give them a jar of honey for sending me all those swarm calls. From Los Angeles Times April 24, 2000 HEADLINE: STING OPERATIONS; CALLS TO PEST CONTROL TEAMS MULTIPLY WITH FEAR OF AFRICANIZED BEES BYLINE: SUE FOX "Holly Ziman threw open her front door before the men in the white mesh suits had knocked, before they'd even trundled across her tidy lawn. "'Are you here for the bees?' she asked anxiously. "We didn't know whether they were African or regular or what!" "The Bee Team, a pesticide-toting duo accustomed to such fervent greetings, was unfazed. Ever since the infamous Africanized honeybee arrived in Los Angeles County in late 1998, the buzz around town has kept the pair as busy as the bees they chase. "Bee-related complaints skyrocketed from 31 calls in 1998 to more than 5,550 in 1999, according to the Greater Los Angeles County Vector Control District. The agency, a state-authorized district funded by property taxes, recently hired 10 workers to keep up with the demand. "And as the weather warms up again, hundreds of cries for help will be heard. "'Ten or 15 years ago, if people saw bees in a bush, they thought, "Oh, how cute, the bees are pollinating my flowers,"' said Richard Baxter, a Bee Team member who covers the San Fernando Valley, as he zipped on his sting-proof hood for another call. 'Now, they're very concerned about Africanized bees.' "Last April, agriculture officials declared that Los Angeles County had been colonized by the aggressive bees--ending any hopes of eradication. "Despite their fearsome "killer bee" moniker, they rarely kill people—but they do attack in larger numbers and pursue people more persistently than European bees, officials say. "Since 1990, six people have died from Africanized bee stings in the United States, said Robert Donley, director of pest detection for the county's Agriculture Department. The only California victim was a Long Beach beekeeper who was stung more than 50 times last August. "'If people weren't so aware of the danger , I think we'd see a lot more multiple stinging incidents and possibly more fatalities,' Donley said. "To the eye, Africanized bees look just like their European counterparts, experts say. But their genes are dominant. Ever since some Africanized bees escaped from a Brazilian laboratory in the late 1950s, they have been steadily moving north, taking over the wild bee populations as they go. "Experts now assume Africanized honeybees to be so widespread here that county officials no longer test bees to confirm their genetic origins. Ziman said she and her husband contacted the pest control district as soon as they noticed bees buzzing around the roots of their magnolia tree. With neighborhood children scooting past on bikes and two dogs of their own, the couple didn't want to take any chances. "'It's been a concern ever since we saw them,' Ziman said, ducking as a stray bee whizzed by. "Aaaagghh! There's one flying over here," she shouted to the bee squad. "I don't like this." The art of bee removal, at least as practiced by vector control workers, is fairly straightforward. If the hive is exposed--say, hanging from a branch--workers spray it with pesticide and yank it down. If it's hidden inside a tree, they spray it and stuff the knot-holes with cotton batting, trapping the bees inside. "Jeremy Uhlenkott opted for the latter method at the Ziman house, jamming the cotton into the cracks between the tree roots with a screwdriver. "'It's hard to tell if it's all sealed up,' he said. If not, the bees will find another exit route. Even if the holes are blocked, plenty of bees that were out foraging will eventually return, only to find their ransacked hive. So Baxter and Uhlenkott leave a bucket filled with yet more pesticide behind, promising to return in a few days. "For guys who spend their days slugging it out with swarms of angry bees, they're pretty cheerful. These are the golden days for bee workers, a time of high public appreciation and elevated status among their pest control brethren. "'People seem to like us more when we show up for bees,' Baxter said. "The Vector Control District also handles mosquito and other insect abatement. While trolling through backyards looking for stagnant water may not seem as glamorous as bee-busting, the effort keeps mosquitoes from breeding and possibly transmitting diseases such as St. Louis encephalitis. "'With the bees, your adrenaline's going,' said Wesley Collins, who is currently on mosquito patrol. "But for me, I personally feel like I'm serving a better need with the mosquitoes. No one likes being bitten by a mosquito." "Besides, working the bee shift isn't all glory. Both Baxter and Uhlenkott have been stung on duty. "Not everyone is glad to see the Bee Team roll up in its white pickup truck, either. Sometimes people yell at them to leave the poor bees alone, Baxter said. "Occasionally, homeowners will insist that they don't have a bee problem, even when a hive is clearly visible. On a recent call in Valley Village, for example, a woman swore that her gardener already had removed the hive in her yard. The team was forced to turn away, even though they could see the bees swarming around a tree. "'We'll probably be back here next week,' Uhlenkott said." Article 24865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Subject: Re: colony union Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:02:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 957974545 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:25 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24865 Reduce both hives to one super, and place one super on top of the other with a layer of newpaper in between them. By the time they have chewed through it, they will think they are a single unit. Either let the queens fight it out, kill the queen in the hive that is weaker, or requeen. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries SK Canada "yosi_sarid" wrote in message news:0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com... > Hello all > I need a methode for having unity 2 mediume colonys into 1 > big colony. > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Eggs in honey super Lines: 68 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957978932 12.72.51.242 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24866 If you have eggs above an excluder and super of foundation, you need to be aware that some colonies will start queen cells in the upper super, so be on the lookout. I'm sorry I don't remember the particulars of your original post. Did you stagger the supers or otherwise provide for an entrance above the QX? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rodney Isom" wrote in message news:shhha174d5896@corp.supernews.com... > Hi folks, > > I'm a second year beekeeper. I put excluders & supers on my two hives a few > weeks ago (after they both swarmed) and the bees seemed reluctant to cross > the excluder & would not start drawing comb in the supers. In accordance > with popular advice, I removed the excluders so the bees would move up & get > started working on the supers, with intentions of putting them back as soon > as the bees got some comb drawn. > > Well, I waited a little too long on one hive. It has two supers on it & > they had drawn at least some comb on most of the frames of the lower super, > which is fine, but in three of the frames, there were eggs. Also, quite of > few of the eggs were laid in cells which the bees had enlarged (drone cells > ??), but not all of them. After I discovered this, I thoroughly inspected > the frames in the super to make sure the queen wasn't up there & moved the > three frames with eggs in them to the end so I'd remember which ones they > were. Then I put the excluder in place & put the hive back together. I had > two supers on the hive & I put the other one (comb not drawn) below the one > with the eggs in it, in hopes of getting them started on it sooner too. > > Was reversing the supers advisable, or should I put them back the way they > were (already drawn one below & other on top)? Did I do the right thing > about the super with eggs in it by just leaving it the way it was? I assume > that I shouldn't use the frames that have had eggs in them as comb honey > (it's comb foundation), since larvae tend to leave behind stuff you might > not want to eat. > > Any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > -- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > > > > Article 24867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 27 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957978933 12.72.51.242 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24867 I find it much easier to see the eggs if the frame is not viewed in direct sunlight, the glistening in the bottom of the cells looks very much like an egg. Try to view it with your shadow cast over it. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Vicky" wrote in message news:8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com... > I am new to beekeeping as will be obvious. I opened up my first hive after > a couple of weeks and saw about six to seven frames drawn out. There were > frames of capped cells. I couldn't see any eggs / larvae when I held it up > to the sunlight. Someone told me to try and hold it down so the light shows > into the cells and look for eggs / larvae. How can I tell the difference > between capped honey and capped brood? Would they cap honey so soon? > > Article 24868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: George C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:13:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8fc5bf$ev9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.141.254 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 10 17:13:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.219.141.254 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDghclark Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24868 Thanks, George In article <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Package Bees needed Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0scS4.494$Cc.24241@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:18:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957961084 204.186.180.80 (Wed, 10 May 2000 08:18:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:18:04 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24869 We are shipping packages and can send you some out on Monday if you so desire. Give us a call or visit our website. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Rob Overton wrote in message news:3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net... > Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for > immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in > Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship > before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone > calls. I live in NY. > > Thanks, > Rob.. > Article 24870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:25:59 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8fbro7$a9b$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957968968 10539 204.216.255.92 (10 May 2000 14:29:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24870 Thank you, I will look again this weekend and keep in mind you comments. If I don't see any brood will order a new queen. Vicky Normand wrote in message news:HfeS4.28061$H7.1541486@brie.direct.ca... > Hi Vicky, > Capped honey looks a bit translucent and the frame is mainly flat on the > surface with small veins. > Capped brood is yellow, opaque and each cell is a little convex. > Very convex capped brood (bullet like) easy to see the difference, are > drones. > Larvaes look like coiled white worms on bottom of cell usually close to the > lightest yellow capped brood. > Eggs are seen like you said, and close to the smallest larvaes. > Every one of those above should be seen almost at all times as well as > pollen. > Hope this helps,enjoy > Normand > > > Article 24871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:16:32 GMT References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000510111632.24101.00001130@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24871 Tim wrote: 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the summer? I painted my hives a dark color to improve movement in the winter to the honey stores and prevent starvation. Last summer was a blazer here on the East Coast, and one hive was positioned to get sun all day (the rest get a break from vegetation, usually in the afternoon if I've arranged my hives right in the apiary). For that one hive, I placed a piece of wooden particle board, the kind that has 1/4 inch holes in it, over the top extending about a foot over each side. Got a 50-pound surplus from it—pretty good for a 1st year hive started on foundation. Article 24872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Entrance reducers and other useless equipment Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:29:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 957972593 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 10 May 2000 08:29:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:29:53 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24872 Thanks George, I too have used the frame" slipper", but find it too advanced for my simple skill level. Your comment made me crack right up. I have been very fond of the Queen squisher, used to punish queens that do not co-operate while being marked. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Sk, Canada "George Styer" wrote in message news:Mv9N4.32132$fV.1951814@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > We have had some fun with Duragilt (AKA DadantGuilt), entrance reducers, > entrance feeders and other items that each of us on an individual basis has > an opinion of as to their relative usefulness. The supers are on, new queens > are in and I've nothing to do so what is the most useless item relative to > beekeeping you have come across. Could be equipment or even the bee itself > (Yugo?). > > I'll start with the frame slipper, er...I mean gripper. > > Do these things even work on Pierco frames? And how do you turn your wrists > to examine the other side of a frame? Lots of people become attached to > these things claiming the great level of confidence they afford to the > novice. The confidence quickly erodes once you drop a frame on your foot and > they start to crawl up your leg at an amazing rate of speed. Or worse, you > start to have a Bill Buckner moment and your natural reaction is to reach > for the floundering frame with you free hand. No thanks, fingers work just > fine and I always know where they are. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > Article 24873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!uio.no!uninett.no!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bad situation in Denmark! Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:57:15 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8fcls5$1cs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 957995717 1436 195.249.242.3 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24873 Hello fellow beekeepers! Tracheal mites now found in Denmark. Due to an import of queens from USA this disease was also imported. The Importer of the queens was not able to help out who the beekeepers were that received the queens. The very bad thing is that he refused to bring an article in the magazine he at that time vas editor of, that could have helped out stopping this invasion in time. But that is not all. We have an ireland where we are keeping the black Nordic bee. This ireland was protected against import of bees, but probably illegal import have caused that also this ireland now is infested by tracheal mites. Cure for tracheal mites is formic acid and because of this, beekeepers that are using this against Varroa mites, will at the same time limit the damage this tracheal mites can do. about my software, i will inform you what have been going on lately! take a peek at my url and browsw to thew what news page, and you will find a total new input screen and also a new queenbreeder interface. I have now plenty of time to expand the software for the benefit of beekeeping. The last expansion came from cooperation with a Swedish beekeeper, and the inputscreen is based on the swedish queenbreeder register card. what is more done is that from within the software you will now be able to edit the software language, so that the items that I was not able to translate or languages that is not yet supported kan be worked out by you. the editing takes place within the software. you can find this software at http://apimo.dk best regards Jorn Johanesson e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 24874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:59:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8fcqk8$vob$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000584 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24874 Thanks - first time that I have heard the name 'darners'. "Pamela Buckle" wrote in message news:8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net... > Darners is right - for the long-bodied type which look like big long > needles. These are also known as Hawkers because of the behaviour described > in the original post (Odonata, Aeshnidae, Aeshna the best known genus). > Darters are the shorter flatter type of dragonfly which tend to hunt by > darting out from a sitting lookout point (Odonata, Libellulidae, Libellula > the best known genus with its flat bright coloured body). Names vary with > locality. > Martin. > > Peter Edwards wrote in > message news:8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "JMitc1014" wrote in message > > news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > > > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" > > > > I think that should be 'Darters'. > > > > > The number of bees they take is insignificant > > > > Unless they are queens flying to mate! > > > > > > Article 24875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inspection technique Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:15:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8fcqkb$vob$7@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000587 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24875 I am now in my 20th year of beekeeping. In all that time I have always practised (and taught) that you should remove the queen excluder, turn it over and inspect it to make sure that the queen is not on it and then place it upside down in front of the hive (just in case she is). Last Saturday, for the first time, I removed a queen excluder, turned it over and found the queen on it. Article 24876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:10:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 74 Message-ID: <8fcqka$vob$6@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000586 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24876 I suspect that is it is. 1/4" sounds very wrong to me. wrote in message news:8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I checked the excluder for any defect but I have not found any defect. Does > this mean that the openings spacing 250/1000 (1/4") is not proper and most > probably the cause. Thx, Aziz > > In article <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" wrote: > > Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be > > 163/1000 inch. > > > > Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor > > handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: > > take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; > > remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; > > remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it > > and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); > > when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against > > the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the > > supers; > > never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the > > darker, lower box; > > when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the > > brood box or in front of the hive. > > > > You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! > > wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of > > hybird of > > > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top > > box > > > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder > > spacing > > > > is 1/4". > > > > > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. > > They > > > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:08:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8fcqk9$vob$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> <20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000585 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24877 Move it - provided that there is another hive close by for the flyers to drift into. The moved hive will then have mainly young bees that are much easier to handle - and certainly easier to requeen. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com... > > > >And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive > >(not having to do so with a full "nuc")? > > > > > > Nope mean bees are hard on queens to. I always make several new hives from > one mean hive. > Small hives of mean bees are easier to deal with till the new brood from the > gentle replacement queen is in abundance. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 23:22:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510192242.23697.00001756@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24878 Capped honey looks like it has been capped with a sheet of wax that is a little wrinkled. Capped brood is capped individually one cell at a time. In a healthy colony during the season of brood raising you would expect to see 1 eggs 2 twice as much open brood as eggs 3 twice as much capped brood as open Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEUE WEB-SEITEN http://www.bienen-netz.de vorerst deutschsprachig mit WEB-RING Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:39:49 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3919e8a6.10074877@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.209 X-Trace: news.okay.net 958002112 36533 194.29.52.209 (10 May 2000 23:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:41:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24879 Neue deutschsprachige Bienenseiten unter http://www.bienen-netz.de Einladung auch fuer den neuen Bienen-Netz Webring unter http://www.bienen-netz.de/Webring/index.htm Kontakt: webmaster@bienen-netz.de Article 24880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:55:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8fd7fg$m8l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 11 02:55:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24880 > "Vicky"wrote: > How can I tell the difference between capped honey and capped brood? > Would they cap honey so soon? ****************************************************************** Howdy Vicky -- Location on the frame is significant. Capped brood with its toast brown color is toward the middle of the frame. Stored honey with its whitish caps is located in the top corners. Break a cell with the corner of your hive tool and you will know quickly. No, the bees will not cap honey before it is ready. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.126.101.70!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:50:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <391A581B.FBE26263@usol.com> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24881 it was warm 2 weeks before this last monday, we had good weather after the swarm. how many days does a queen have a mating flight to go thru 15 drones on ave.? 3 days? Hi Shelly, Is it warm where you are? They could be just hanging out :-) Is there a nectar flow? After the first swarm it usually takes about 4 weeks to get things back to normal, that is a laying queen. If they want to swarm again then the bees will keep the 2 queens apart. It's up to you if you want to re queen or not. You could wait to see what her off spring are like. Look for the queen where the eggs are. Make sure there is room for the queen to lay in the brood nest. I have put the second super on here in Ontario, the first is over 1/4 full. Kent Article 24882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:51:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <391A587C.FB8DA778@usol.com> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24882 thanks to everyone for the feedback. never a dull moment with my bees. Article 24883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software update : What is new? Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:04:42 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 95 Message-ID: <8fesk6$r0d$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip87.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 958068166 27661 195.249.242.87 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24883 First of my buglist is getting very very thin. Al bugs reported to me have been worked out, and corrected. There is though one bug left, that I created by making an other Index file layout. It works that way that if you have created index on the queens and then install the new software, the index file on disk and this described in the software no longer match, so an error comes up by trying to use the queenbreeder facility. it is simple an access violation error that do no harm, and the cure is simple, just make a new index calculation. here is the new things in the software: there are added two new fields to the hivenote entry so that it now is up to date with the official hivenote entries in Denmark and I think it will satisfy the most beekeepers. The queenbreeder queen entry is based on the Swedish queenbreeder register card and is practical a copy of this. But it is automated in some ways. You can select some predefined text to some of the fields, but you can also add to those text just by entering what you want. You will then be asked if you want to add this to the list. As you enter queens you will also be asked if you want to add those to the queen list. If you add it, then those queens will be available from this list, that is available for queenmother queen mother and queen grand mother. The queen list is also available fro the dronesource, where you can add up to five sources for the queen, queen mother and queen grandmother. I though have a hint only add those queens you are using as breeding source, otherwise it will grow to big. Dates can be entered from a calendar for the following items Hatching mating taken in use and kassation there is a little grid on this entry form, that shows the result for up to four Years for the queen. those results are Index Harvest average for the beeyard harvest for the queen average grades for the beeyard and the queen result for the following items: Aggressivity Steadiness Sickness and Swarming those above is what is very important for the beekeeping results. And those are genetic ingredients in the queen. The good thing is that those, even for a normal beekeeper is very easy to change, by simple selection, and if you go one by one you will see results in a few years. to help you by this selection I calculate an index. this index is shown as over or under the average for the Yard that is set to 100% so you can now easily select the queen you want to work with. But it does not rule out the beekeeper, because it is your decision to choose what you think is best. It is just a guideline. a software for beekeeping can be no more than a tool but very helpful if used. It can help you to improve your beekeeping because it is working with facts and not an unreliable and weak memory. Your question to me can be : Why pay you that money you are asking for , I can just use a spreadsheet? It is Okay. If you want to do the above, and can do it in a spreadsheet then Okay. If you can't do that then my software is a possibility for that lousy money of $100 for a full software. For a limited software without the queenbreeder facility it is $45 and this will include a free update of the software + acces to the updates on the web that I will announce by personal E-Mail. The very limited software is $20 and on pricelevel for shareware software. You will get one free update but have to watch out for updates on the net yourself. For the rest of you who dont want to pay in blind, the software on the net is full working but only for five hives and the queenbreeder entry shows, but only queen, hive, beeyard and comments to the queen is saved. Does this above not sound fair ???? if not go elsewhere for the solution you want. The above prices will only partly cover my expensies, so! best regards Jorn Johanesson Http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 24884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391AFF3B.AA7E0127@cybertours.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:43:08 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.221 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.221 X-Trace: 11 May 2000 14:40:57 -0500, 209.222.80.221 Lines: 8 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.221 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24884 The following link has been updated: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Herb/Norma Article 24885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:59:51 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 27 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust214.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust214.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24885 > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them > if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from > the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to > the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home > swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I > think a few hundred feet is too close. Bees that have swarmed immediately 'forget' their former location no matter how near or far it is from where you hive them. The danger of loss is that once hived, they may 1.) still have a location picked out and go there at the next opportunity -- or 2.) they may have lost their queen and return home to wait and swarm again as soon as a new queen is available. Therefore, it is good practice to 1.) move them a long way or 2.) keep them confined for a while until settled and the queen starts laying or to 3.) give them a frame of young brood and eggs. If you confine them, the best way is by putting the hive in a totally dark and cool place for a day or two, not by screening which can suffocate them. allen Article 24886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:03:01 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 11 May 2000 07:14:12 -0500, dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 43 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24886 I began raising queens last summer. A breeder in Vermont showed me a way to raise cells with one colony. The colony is out of honey production for only about 3 weeks. Pick a strong colony with a prolific queen. This colony should have at least 10 frames of brood. Dismantle the hive, placing the queen and all the sealed brood in the bottom chamber. Place an excluder on the hive, and then the top chamber with the rest of the brood. Put the supers back on the hive. On the ninth day, check the entire colony for queen cells. Feed! The following day is grafting day. In the morning, remove the colony from the stand. Place a new bottom board on the stand, and then a super. On the super, place the top brood chamber. Place a shaker box (hive body with excluder nailed on the bottom) on this chamber. Shake 5 frames of bees from the bottom brood chamber into the shaker box. The bees will go down, but the queen will not. If the queen winds up in the shaker box, place her back into the bottom chamber. The bottom chamber gets a super on top and is covered. The bottom chamber gets a super, is covered, and moved to a different yard. In the afternoon, The cell starter is ready for the graft. They're newly queenless, packed with young bees, and ready to raise cells. There will be no larvae to feed except the ones you give them.Give them the cell bars, and a frame of pollen. In 5 days, bring back the parent colony. Place it on the stand, then an excluder, and then the cell builder. You don't need newspaper. The cells will be ready on the tenth day. Remove the cells, and the excluder. The colony is back in honey production. I feel this to be the easiest and most successful cell rearing plan for the beekeeper with limited equipment, wanting to raise a few or a few hundred cells. Good luck Mike kamtout@together.net wrote: > I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and > was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony > was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality > as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? > Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. > Thanks > Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9205-391AB06E-7@storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQrIA6wCzmAz6kkGkNBfv7ulSc+qwIUaPDw0mKIJJID39iaSL9kn0o6j9g= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24887 Mr. Palmer this is a very good post. I would like to know why you put all the sealed brood down and the open brood up with the Ex. in the middle. If you just make sure the Q was in the bottom and wait the nine days would this not do the same thing. I am sure there is a good reason for this because you say it works so good. One other thing in your idea would this hive not keep on makeing honey because you left all the bees except a few to take care of the queen and brood with the queed raisers. They might make more because they had no brood to feed. BUD Article 24888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Message-ID: References: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:50:20 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:47:10 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24888 There's lots of nice references and stories about them in the Bible, like when they set up shop inside a dead lion one time. In article <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk>, jps114@york.ac.uk says... > Hi. > I've been interested in bees and beekeeping for a long time. I wondered > if any of you know much folklore about bees. There's the stuff about > telling bees about deaths and other important events and that bees > should not be bought but exchanged. > > What other folklore is there and are there any websites about bee > folklore? > > Peter. > Article 24889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!199.79.239.47!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:30:44 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ffjlf$25ll$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-2-95.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 958091759 71349 199.45.211.95 (12 May 2000 00:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2000 00:35:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24889 Thanks to everybody who answered my questions! I gave the bees 4 days or so to get used to the queens, then went and checked on them. The queens were still caged, so I took the advice given here and let the bees release them by themselves. I was concerned about the flyaway-queen story that was told, so I pushed the corks into each cage and plugged the holes with granulated honey (not having any marshmallows). I went back a week later, and voila! queens and eggs in every hive! This is exciting to actually start a hive from scratch like this. I was surprised to find that 1 hive out of the four was overflowing the medium super I provided each with, having drawn (or begun) all 10 frames. 2 of the other hives however only had 2 or 3 frames of bees apiece. I figure that in all the confusion of installation, a lot of bees wound up in the strong hive somehow. Maybe they liked that queen's perfume the best? I dunno. Thanks again for the advice! -- replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply Article 24890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!news.vas-net.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Grigory Psaras" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: æÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÍ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ 0629 39-53-55 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 05:00:39 +0300 Organization: Azov Information Company Ltd. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8ffohl$lr3$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: du18.azov.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24890 áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç. Article 24891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged bees or Nuc in Southern California Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:27:22 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8fg1dp$1g68$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 958105849 49352 204.216.255.92 (12 May 2000 04:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24891 Does anyone know of a source for packaged bees (still shipping) or a nuc in Southern California? I have only found queens. Thanks Article 24892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 180% increase in bee complaints in S. CA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 2000 18:58:52 GMT References: <20000510110315.24101.00001127@ng-mb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000511145852.24702.00001539@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24892 Contributors on bee-l have pointed out that honeybees will nest in the ground, and that there is some strong evidence that Africanized bees are even more likely to do so. I still find the original article objectional in tone and the methodology of the "Bee Team" unsound in how they dispose of established feral colonies. Article 24893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Peter Sanderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee folklore Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:36:12 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 10 Sender: jps114@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cst234.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958088172 26573 144.32.8.48 (11 May 2000 23:36:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2000 23:36:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24893 Hi. I've been interested in bees and beekeeping for a long time. I wondered if any of you know much folklore about bees. There's the stuff about telling bees about deaths and other important events and that bees should not be bought but exchanged. What other folklore is there and are there any websites about bee folklore? Peter. Article 24894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: lbirdwell@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to buy - PA Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8fgp9b$jvm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.83.116.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 11 13:18:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.83.116.21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24894 I am looking to get back into beekeeping as a hobby. I am looking to buy 4-5 hives or so and some equipment. Extractor, hot knife, extra frames, smoker, etc. Thanks. Feel free to call Lyle 570-426-1851 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:28:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8fgpsv$kkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 12 11:28:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24895 In article <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them > > if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from > > the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to > > the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home > > swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I > > think a few hundred feet is too close. > > Bees that have swarmed immediately 'forget' their former location no matter >