Article 31777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:49:03 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019671569 8722429 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31777 The key to getting a smoker going is getting a good base fire or heat source. Once you have established a good base then adding on to it will make the process much easier to work with. I would suggest you go to http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html and check out smoking advice! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work... > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Taylor > Article 31778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:12:33 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:13:30 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31778 Gerbil bedding is cedar ships .. any grocery store's animal food aisle Article 31779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:29:53 -0500 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbPzMH1vjmATZxHIom7j+PCHeCoiLpqzEv8pRc3rJaTzbD/hMyNLLQg X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:30:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31779 Hi Taylor - > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... This makes me wonder if the hole in the bellows might be clogged up and not allowing air into the smoke chamber. Sometimes when the smoker sits around over winter, spiders can build a nest in this hole. Other possible ways for it to clog also. Double check this and make sure everything is working as designed. Regards, Barry Article 31780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <8djdcuk605g0ahkt9pa6l2rallv76op014@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... 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New Zealand appears to be short of Gerbils these days, Article 31781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Latest Observation Hive Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:01:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019696502 4.33.104.236 (Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:01:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:01:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31781 Some of you may be interested is seeing my latest observation hive whimsy. It is built from a clear plastic bell that I bought at a garden store. It's on my website, halfway down this page: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/natural.htm I'm just so pleased with the results! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregmreplyto@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:33:00 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-l3iLgYamgXm13SoJWkGLfJnnHZywxfGxLlodgiA3MRszVp7KLRp5ZFklo6rIGQCvz2vNWuy67WxzB81!8bpbRWFa1fWEwkmJKdgTaLB7dD3uTPXX3/SNMhnvoHDaIPKfT4BBLjtVhoG4BQaxSqAV X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:33:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31782 Ray Morgan wrote: > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Thanks, > > Taylor > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > Ray Morgan My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners field is NOT an option! Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out and let it dry. To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to get it going. The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I have never known of anyone else that uses it. Greg Article 31783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019698893 12.81.126.22 (Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn14eed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31783 Maybe in the UK. I had one on February 27, 1998 and all told this colony cast 6 swarms between February 27 and March 14. I remember the date well because it was a Friday and I was planning to do an inspection on Saturday. It was also the winter of El Nino. ----- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Tom" wrote in message news:eZvx8.72$f9P6.10485923@news2.randori.com... > > "Alec" wrote in message > news:CY0p8.12330$Ko1.2174866@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... > > UK swarms in march.??? what next uk > > > > i have just had a swarm arrive in my pile of boxes awaiting attention...in > > According to L.R. Croft in his book 'Oddities of Beekeeping' The earliset > recorded swarm was on March 23rd 1896 in Essex > > Article 31784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:40:47 +0100 Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-203.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1019756375 22438 217.134.112.203 (25 Apr 2002 17:39:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 17:39:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31784 The secret is to light it chuck it back in the car and drive home. Mine's allways smoking like a train when I get back from the apiary. Perhaps more relevantly, I've been given an ancient tog-of-war rope made of sizal. A large chunk is nearly faultless. "Greg" wrote in message news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... > > > Ray Morgan wrote: > > > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Taylor > > > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > > > Ray Morgan > > My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start > smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners > field is NOT an option! > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > and let it dry. > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > get it going. > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > Greg Article 31785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 2002 18:59:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Just in from a nasty hive Message-ID: <20020425145918.07486.00005495@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31785 Just in from an attempt to requeen a snotty hive(a supercedure) and the weather changed, only time I have worn gloves in 2 years and the bees were very annoyed with me. About a dozen stings in the ankles another dozen in the wrists. Tomorrow I will try again in better weather. Article 31786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: UK New Zeland Queens Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:58:37 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.81.4 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1019764244 210.55.81.4 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:50:44 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:50:44 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31786 You might try Olympia in London, heaps of Kiwi queens hang around there!! Grin Failing that I could buy some queens over here and post them to you in the UK, normal post takes around four days so they should survive. "Bumble" wrote in message news:B8EDED59.7495%Bumble_the_Beekeeper@btinternet.com... > I have heard good reports on the friendly nature of New Zeland Queens and am > wondering if anyone can put me on to a UK supplier. Alternatively I am > interested in suggestions for suppliers of other very gentle queens. > > Thanks > Article 31787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:52:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019706771 22239 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 03:52:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 03:52:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31787 Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Taylor Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. Ray Morgan Article 31788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 25 Apr 2002 15:40:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0204251440.559841da@posting.google.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.190.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019774435 18495 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 22:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 22:40:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31788 "Peter Hearnden" wrote in message news:... > > > > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > > and let it dry. > > > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > > get it going. > > > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > > > Greg Try using this with rolled up corrugated paper, just dip the bottom in the mixture and when it is dry then light it it will smolder lovely i have seen it used here in the uk but it burns too quickly for me without putting either shavings or sacking as well. At our apiary we use wood shavings and there is no trouble. just put scrunched up lighted paper in first and then gently add the shavings until it smokes well, you should then be able to keep it going. Article 31789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie questions about feeding Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:50:04 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-006.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31789 I am getting two new hives (hives are made just getting bees to fill them.) The feeder that I have is a simple metal box with a lid (with holes in it) The box is open on the end that goes into the hive. The opening is straight into the hive and I see no way that the syrup mixture would not simply run right out into the bottom of the hive. Are the holes so small that this will not happen? (I didn't make the holes in the metal lid they came that way.) The syrup mixture is 50/50 (water/sugar) Next, question... how fast do new bees consume feeder syrup? Do I have to fill the quart jars every hour? every day? The hive has foundation but it isn't drawn out. Thanks Patrick Dugan Article 31790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie reading list? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!localhost!cis.uab.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:367 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31790 My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... Many thanks, Article 31791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: newbie questions about feeding Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.130.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019783906 12.81.130.242 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!localhost!cis.uab.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31791 Sounds like a boardman feeder. Vacuum will keep the syrup from running out. You should reduce the entrance as this type of feeder can lead to robbing. With foundation, they will consume it fairly rapidly but I can't give you an estimate, but i would guess perhaps daily. ----- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aaa894$626$1@ins22.netins.net... > I am getting two new hives (hives are made just getting bees to fill them.) > The feeder that I have is a simple metal box with a lid (with holes in it) > The box is open on the end that goes into the hive. The opening is straight > into the hive and I see no way that the syrup mixture would not simply run > right out into the bottom of the hive. Are the holes so small that this > will not happen? (I didn't make the holes in the metal lid they came that > way.) The syrup mixture is 50/50 (water/sugar) > > Next, question... how fast do new bees consume feeder syrup? Do I have to > fill the quart jars every hour? every day? The hive has foundation but it > isn't drawn out. > > Thanks > > Patrick Dugan > > > > > Article 31792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 02:01:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Nucs and frames Message-ID: <20020425220129.21994.00005317@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31792 Well the nucs arrived and transferring them to the hive went quite well except for one thing. With the first nuc two of the frames fell apart, the top bar came off in my hand. Because I had waited for the temp to warm up and was rushed, had to get to work at 3PM, I fitted them back together the best I could and placed them in the hive. I know they need to be repaired or replaced, the question is, when and how? They both had brood in them and I don't want to lose them. Julie W. Article 31793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs and frames Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:33:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020425220129.21994.00005317@mb-fh.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31793 I fitted them back together the best I > could and placed them in the hive. I know they need to be repaired or replaced, > the question is, when and how? They both had brood in them and I don't want to > lose them. > Use large rubber bands or string around the frame as a temporary fix they will last the season if necessary. Once they have drawn out the other frames work your broken frames to the sides of the hive they'll eventually use them less there. When they are not in use, in probably late summer you can toss/repair them as needed. Right now you're going to need them, as they are the primary frames. If possible contact a local reputable beekeeper to see if you can buy some disease free brood combs. that will help out but not fix your problem. Note whom you bought the poor frames from and plan on staying away from them as a supplier if they can not correct their shortcomings. Chuck Article 31794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:31:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1019791916 24.64.223.206 (Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:56 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31794 Most of the German beekeepers using your mixture also. Take a Liter of warm water and stir 150 gram of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in the water. Take the water in a bowl and put cardboard in it for a few days, than let it dry in the sun. All you need is a small piece like a stamp in your smoker and than put your regular burn material on top of it. The recipe is from Ludwig Huber, schoolmaster at Niederschopfheim / Germany, in his book "The Beehive" January 1875. "Greg" wrote in message news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... > > > Ray Morgan wrote: > > > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Taylor > > > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > > > Ray Morgan > > My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start > smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners > field is NOT an option! > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > and let it dry. > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > get it going. > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > Greg Article 31795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTD: UK New Zeland Queens Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-123-44-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019751782 19643 213.123.44.142 (25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31795 I have heard good reports on the friendly nature of New Zeland Queens and am wondering if anyone can put me on to a UK supplier. Alternatively I am interested in suggestions for suppliers of other very gentle queens. Thanks Article 31796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:34:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1019810696 nnrp-13:21343 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31796 In article , Tom writes > >"Alec" wrote in message >news:CY0p8.12330$Ko1.2174866@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... >> UK swarms in march.??? what next uk >> >> i have just had a swarm arrive in my pile of boxes awaiting attention...in > >According to L.R. Croft in his book 'Oddities of Beekeeping' The earliset >recorded swarm was on March 23rd 1896 in Essex One of our members lost a swarm on 25th. Season has been well ahead - 2-3 weeks and maybe more. Some colonies well advanced. Our apiary manager warned in February to get supers on (I now reckon according to Murray, for here, that 5 frames with brood is the time) and start the swarm control. With a bee that mostly keeps to around 10 frames with brood throughout the season, some were on 8 frames by the end of March. Without attention, they would have a space problem. I don't like rules for timing of the first inspection. If the bees are flying, then that's a start. Actually, I used to use that as a rule - but when they fly at 6.5C I don't open! They seem fine at 11C and more, but these are black, near native bees. Early means quick. Seams of bees is a useful indicator. 5 seams must have less than 5 frames. A box full at the top (all gaps with bees) needs a look. One of my friends reports 2 supers full, hawthorn blooming and the sycamore starting to flower. If your colonies did not build up early, they my miss the spring nectar, since they may be housekeeping, especially if it is cool. We don't seem to get the 20C+ that UK in the centre and east have been getting, 12-14C is the norm right now. -- James Kilty West Cornwall UK Article 31797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-172-107.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019816497 10901 213.1.172.107 (26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:368 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31797 1. Ted Hooper: Guide to Bees and Honey - Excellent firts text book that should be on all keepers shelves. 2. L E Snelgrove: Swarming-It's Control & Prevention. A little hard to fathom out at first read but gives excellent analysis of causes of swarming. These two books alone will take you a long way into beekeeping and are trhe only must reads that I have come across so far. Any more suggestions for good books that take progress from these two? > From: "me" > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > Reply-To: "me" > Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400 > Subject: newbie reading list? > > My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. > > Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to > suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? > > Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... > > Many thanks, > > Article 31798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-172-107.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019816956 12347 213.1.172.107 (26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31798 I believe that saltpeter when burning produces Nitrous Oxide (Laughing gas) and that this has a calming effect on the bees. Apparently it can be used to knock the bees out, but they will be worse tempered when the come round. (Owen Meyer, The Beekeepers Handbook pg66) > From: "Beeguy" > Organization: Shaw Residential Internet > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:31:56 GMT > Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... > > Most of the German beekeepers using your mixture also. Take a Liter of warm > water and stir 150 gram of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in the water. Take > the water in a bowl and put cardboard in it for a few days, than let it dry > in the sun. All you need is a small piece like a stamp in your smoker and > than put your regular burn material on top of it. > The recipe is from Ludwig Huber, schoolmaster at Niederschopfheim / Germany, > in his book "The Beehive" January 1875. > > "Greg" wrote in message > news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... >> >> >> Ray Morgan wrote: >>> >>> Taylor Francis wrote in message > news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... >>>> I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! >>>> >>>> I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... >>>> >>>> Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Taylor >>> >>> Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get >>> going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees >>> seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. >>> >>> Ray Morgan >> >> My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start >> smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners >> field is NOT an option! >> >> Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. >> Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set >> till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out >> and let it dry. >> >> To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, >> wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker >> with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to >> get it going. >> >> The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and >> covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. >> >> Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article >> years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I >> have never known of anyone else that uses it. >> >> Greg > > Article 31799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Fast, Complete, Great Service! Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:41:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.245.249.51!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31799 "George Styer" wrote in message news:h9Jx8.44242$Rw2.3446839@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Maybe in the UK. I had one on February 27, 1998 and all told this colony > cast 6 swarms between February 27 and March 14. I remember the date well > because it was a Friday and I was planning to do an inspection on Saturday. > It was also the winter of El Nino. > > ----- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley Ther's a slight difference in weather patterns between the UK and California. Tom Article 31800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Message-ID: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:47:14 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:48:11 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31800 Try the new "Beekeeping for Dummies" it is really well done. Older favorites include "First Lessons in Beekeeping" by Dadant A.I. Root distributes "Starting Right with Bees" by Rowe I would only get one of the above the standard beekeeping reference are the Hive and the Honeybee by Dadant and ABC,XYZ by Root Dave Article 31801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:32:37 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019827959 9997823 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31801 And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. Article 31802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 15:22:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Nucs and frames Message-ID: <20020426112255.20765.00005795@mb-mw.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31802 >Note whom you bought the poor frames from and plan on staying away from them >as a supplier if they can not correct their shortcomings. Agreed. I would just use some wire around from top bar to bottom on both ends and twist it up snug. You can nail them up properonce they no longer have brood in them. Article 31803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Siting of UK hives Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:32:58 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.amarie.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1019845814 12315 62.136.104.50 (26 Apr 2002 18:30:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2002 18:30:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31803 Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden less of s nuisance? (screens etc) Many thanks Steve Newport Article 31804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:16:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1019855768 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:16:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:16:08 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31804 If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the mites cannot get resistant. I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you in the future $US 0.02. Greetings from Germany The Beeguy "Beeguy" wrote in message news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > "KOland" wrote in message > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > Article 31805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:15:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1019855728 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!stdio!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31805 "KOland" wrote in message news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > Article 31806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 22:47:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!stdio!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31806 Today while refilling my one gallon feeder pails, I was quite startled when I lifted the cover on one of my swarms, to find a blue racer curled up next to the feeder pail. Seems it found its way inside the upper box thru an entrance hole cut in the side, and since it was nice and warm in there, decided to call it home for a while. Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have found inside there hives? Bill Article 31807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:58:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31807 I saw one of your posts on this, but it seems just as easy to spray liquid oxalyic acid. Why is this better? "Beeguy" wrote in message news:ssjy8.38192$zj6.1055356@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. > www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, > their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites > without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the > mites cannot get resistant. > I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 > beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. > I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you in > the future $US 0.02. > Greetings from Germany > The Beeguy > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > "KOland" wrote in message > > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2002 01:12:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <20020426211257.06659.00003205@mb-mb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31808 >I believe that saltpeter when burning produces Nitrous Oxide (Laughing gas) I think that was ammonium nitrate. If you add some sugar to the saltpeter solution you are drying your cardboard in you will get a lot of white smoke. Article 31809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3spy8.34933$MT2.1327999@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:05:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1019880319 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:05:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:05:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31809 There is a different between liquid oxalic acid and the vaporized acid. I tried the liquid treatment years ago for one season. 1. You have to open your hive and spray the acid / water / sugar mixture over the bees. 2. Fore that, you have to wait until the outside temperature is high enough. 3. The bees feeding on the mixture, the death rate is high and it can kill your queen. With the vaporized oxalic acid: 1. You can tread your bees even it is zero Celsius outside temperature. 2. No delays in the honey. 3. The fine aerosol fog penetrates the whole beehive within two minutes and the success rate is over 99%. With the liquid form, the rate is les than 95%. On the web site, you will find a list with the newest test rates. I studied the article from the institute in Switzerland and it says, during the last two years there was 1509 beehives from over 90 beekeeper successful tested with vaporized oxalic acid before the got permission from the government. "me" wrote in message news:ucjttq2l0qe714@corp.supernews.com... > I saw one of your posts on this, but it seems just as easy to spray liquid > oxalyic acid. Why is this better? > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:ssjy8.38192$zj6.1055356@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > > If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. > > www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > > I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, > > their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites > > without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the > > mites cannot get resistant. > > I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 > > beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. > > I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you > in > > the future $US 0.02. > > Greetings from Germany > > The Beeguy > > > > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > > news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > > > "KOland" wrote in message > > > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published > after > > > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Message-ID: <3cca2cb3.13379498@news> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:45:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1019882740 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:45:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:45:40 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:369 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31810 Five of the Best for you. KEEPING BEES John Vivian PRACTICAL BEEKEEING Enoch Tompkins & Roger Griffith BEES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GARDEN Alan Campion THE NEW COMB HONEY BOOK Richard Taylor THE QUEEN MUST DIE AND OTHER AFFAIRS OF BEES AND MEN Cant remember the author Brian Article 31811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: 27 Apr 2002 02:51:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.86.80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019901118 1898 127.0.0.1 (27 Apr 2002 09:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 09:51:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31811 Hello All! Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) They are about 50 feet from the jacuzzi.. if that makes any difference Any help would be greatly appreciate. Thanks Norm (patterson00269@earthlink.net) Article 31812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:46:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3cca8f70.438136465@news1.radix.net> References: <3cca2cb3.13379498@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:371 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31812 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:45:40 GMT, scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) wrote: > >Five of the Best for you. > > >KEEPING BEES >John Vivian > >PRACTICAL BEEKEEING >Enoch Tompkins & Roger Griffith > >BEES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GARDEN >Alan Campion > >THE NEW COMB HONEY BOOK >Richard Taylor > >THE QUEEN MUST DIE AND OTHER AFFAIRS OF BEES AND MEN >Cant remember the author > William Longwood > >Brian Article 31813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:50:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3cca8f92.438169809@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:372 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31813 On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400, "me" wrote: >My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. > >Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to >suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? > >Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... > >Many thanks, > > The Hive and the Honeybee ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture Anatomy of the Honey Bee by Snodgrass The Biology of the Honey Bee by Mark Winston Bee Genetics and Breeding by Rinderer Article 31814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Evans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 200+ IT books available here #97333# Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.138.50.139 Message-ID: <3cca9895_1@news.iprimus.com.au> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:25:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news.tor.primus.ca 1019910303 203.134.67.67 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:25:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:25:03 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!24.226.1.12!feed.cgocable.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!news.tor.primus.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31814 200+ IT books at http://css.com.au/onlinebooks #97333# Article 31815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SMall Hive Beetle question Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:05:12 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3CCAB018.C85FEE99@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 14:04:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31815 Hello all, Recently I purchased 2, four frame nucs. I moved the frames to their new digs and noted 3, rather rapidly moving larvae approximately 7 mm long. These buggers were fast for maggots. In any event they looked an aweful lot like small hive beetle larvae. Unfortunately I couldn't kill the little buggers cause they disappeared into the hive itself. Most of the frames were peirco plastic, well covered with bees and there was a lot of capped brood so the colonies seem to be doing well themselves. My question is this: Given that I live in SC, and will likely encounter the SMB anyhoo, Do I need to treat them right away - or is this a situation I should monitor and treat if I see damage? Thanks, Keith Article 31816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:06:40 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 14:05:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31816 I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to the aipiary. My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the hive 6 feet over? Keith Article 31817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:58 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1019917316 80.1.219.139 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:56 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:373 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31817 On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400, "me" wrote: > newbies who want to >suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), Bees at the Bottom of the garden, Alan Campion. Much of what has been suggested so far, is pretty advanced. Alan's book gets you started, and easily through the first year. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Hooray! jaf.co.thingy is working again! New Host, see, from West Lothian. V. nice too. Article 31818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-163-38.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1019921449 16967 213.1.163.38 (27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31818 What is a blue racer. UK > From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: 26 Apr 2002 22:47:59 GMT > Subject: Oddest thing found in your hives? > > Today while refilling my one gallon feeder pails, I was quite startled when I > lifted the cover on one of my swarms, to find a blue racer curled up next to > the feeder pail. Seems it found its way inside the upper box thru an entrance > hole cut in the side, and since it was nice and warm in there, decided to call > it home for a while. Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have > found inside there hives? > > Bill Article 31819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2002 18:45:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020427144511.02598.00007506@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31819 That would be a snake here in the Great Lakes area of the US Article 31820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:31:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019935879 198.164.250.91 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:19 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:19 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31820 I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame of bees in the hive. Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new queen in time? Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the house? Thanks for your help......... Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:58:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ccb02b5.467642943@news1.radix.net> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31821 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:06:40 -0400, Keith Benson wrote: >I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving >hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to >the aipiary. > >My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the >hive 6 feet over? > >Keith > Nothing, other than it will take the bees a little longer to get to it. beekeep Article 31822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-823.pipeline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1019940288 14208 62.25.211.55 (27 Apr 2002 20:44:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:44:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31822 The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and then die out. (I have seen this happen). Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. Peter Edwards "Keith Benson" wrote in message news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... > I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving > hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to > the aipiary. > > My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > hive 6 feet over? > > Keith > Article 31823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Siting of UK hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:48:13 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-823.pipeline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1019940742 14503 62.25.211.55 (27 Apr 2002 20:52:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:52:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31823 No specific laws on bees that I know of, but the laws on nuisance can be wide ranging. Screens can be made in a number of ways: Plastic windbreak material Permanent hedges Seasonal crops, e.g. runner beans. The idea is to get the bees above head level before they reach the boundary of your land. It is also useful to involve your neighbours at an early stage and manipulate your bees at a time when they are not all sunbathing in their gardens. Free honey can make neighbours much more interested in your activities and amenable to co-operating with you. If they have children, get them on your side - if not in examining hives, then in the extraction process. Give talks at their school. Peter Edwards "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com... > Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? > > Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden > less of s nuisance? (screens etc) > > Many thanks > Steve Newport Article 31824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:55:25 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3CCB103D.76F709AE@mindspring.com> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:54:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31824 Peter Edwards wrote: > The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and > then die out. (I have seen this happen). > > Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. Thanks for the advice - I may have to move these gals - I'll do the two step thing Keith Article 31825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-88-154.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019942212 2736 62.6.88.154 (27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31825 I had the same problem here in the UK, with bess bothering all my neighbours' ponds, bird baths etc etc. The problem was solved when I dug and filled with water a 'pond' (posh name for a hole full of water, really!) This brought home to me how much water bees need. Best wishes Paul Bowden "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > Hello All! > > Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) > > They are about 50 feet from the jacuzzi.. if that makes any difference > > Any help would be greatly appreciate. > > Thanks > > Norm (patterson00269@earthlink.net) Article 31826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:56:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019948198 4.33.104.23 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:56:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:56:38 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31826 "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was >just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the >livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame >of bees in the hive. > >Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new >queen in time? > >Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the >house? Ken, less than a single frame of bees is probably not enough to raise a queen. Would be best to join those bees into another colony. If they were to start raising a queen, the makings of one ore more emergency queen cell(s) should be visible within a day or two. Keep you eyes open for sealed swarm cells, as that would be a nice way to start the observation hive. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:58:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31827 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and >then die out. (I have seen this happen). Die out or disappear? Foraging bees as a rule will find another hive to join. Their sense of smell is so great that they can find a hive within 300 yards in less than 1/2 an hour. Back when the v. mites first appeared experiments were conducted that proved this. They were studying bees being let loose from migratory trucks and the potential mite spread. beekeep > >Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. > >Peter Edwards > >"Keith Benson" wrote in message >news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... >> I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving >> hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to >> the aipiary. >> >> My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the >> hive 6 feet over? >> >> Keith >> > > Article 31828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Observation hive? Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:26:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019953571 142.166.239.122 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:26:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:26:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31828 Thank-you John for your responce, I will add these bees to one of my weak hives tomarrow, as I agree they will not likely be able to produce a queen on their own. BTW, I just read every page on you web site. I found it extreemely interesting and informative... Thank-you.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "John Caldeira" wrote in message news:ioamcus16nbogfkbonvhi4nlrfuvs8mst5@4ax.com... > "Ken Bullock" wrote: > >I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was > >just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the > >livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame > >of bees in the hive. > > > >Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new > >queen in time? > > > >Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the > >house? > > Ken, less than a single frame of bees is probably not enough to raise > a queen. Would be best to join those bees into another colony. > > If they were to start raising a queen, the makings of one ore more > emergency queen cell(s) should be visible within a day or two. > > Keep you eyes open for sealed swarm cells, as that would be a nice way > to start the observation hive. > > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:26:14 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.dd.c9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:30:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:374 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31829 BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBEY BY Brother Adam Article 31830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Africanized Bees Continue Onslaught" Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:12:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1019960034.394940@savina> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31830 Wed Apr 24, By MATT CURRY, Associated Press Writer http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020424/ap_on_bi_ge/farm_ scene_106 ...The insects' Texas takeover has been relentless despite a 12-year-old state quarantine that restricts the movement of commercial bee operations with the intent of limiting "killer bees." ...Their advancement bees has spelled trouble for domestic beekeepers. The Department of Agriculture warns that the Africanized bees could cost the U.S. industry up to $58 million a year. ...The quarantine zone now sprawls across most of the state, reaching near the Oklahoma border in northwest Texas. The aggressive insects have also been found in New Mexico, California, Nevada and Arizona. Article 31831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:55:21 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-786.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1019981673 29593 62.25.231.18 (28 Apr 2002 08:14:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2002 08:14:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31831 I agree. As a general principle I would suggest starting with the latest books and then working backwards - you will then see just how much has been copied over the years! Peter Edwards "KOland" wrote in message news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > Article 31832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCAB018.C85FEE99@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: SMall Hive Beetle question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:13:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020014023 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:13:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:13:43 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31832 "Keith Benson" wrote > My question is this: Given that I live in SC, and will likely encounter > the SMB anyhoo, Do I need to treat them right away - or is this a > situation I should monitor and treat if I see damage? They seem to be everywhere in the southeast, but only a serious problem along the coast, from Charleston southward. I live in Northeastern coastal SC, and have not seen them to be a problem, except that you cannot leave supers in the honey house for long before the beetles have a population explosion. My feeling is that there is no need to treat, unless there is economic damage. I have seen economic damage only with a few hives, late in the summer, when the hives were already weak (due to failing queens, etc.). Keep the hives healthy otherwise and monitor the hive beetle situation, starting at mid-summer. If you see them appearing in numbers, treat. If your bottom boards are unstapled, or they are on a pallet, quickly tilt back the hive and look at the bottom board. You will see adults running around if they are numerous. You also may see a corner of a frame with a wad of larvae in a little-used area of the hive. This is a signal to treat, and also to solve whatever problem may make the hive weak. One think I think may cause a quick population buildup is that a nearby hive has been overtaken by the beetles, who can easily fly a few miles, so it would be nothing for them to jump a mile or two, to your hives, after their current host dies. There are more and more non-chemical controls popping up and I hope to experiment with these a bit. One is the use of light traps for them, arranging a fluorescent light so they fly to it, or crawl (in the honey house) then fall into soapy water. Another idea presented is a jar with a slot (like a coin slot) which will admit beetles but not bees, and lure these beetles, which like to hide, into soapy water. You may wish to experiement and add to the current knowledge. A solution that is applicable to commercial beekeeping would be a boon, might even make you some money, but remember they usually have to pay for help, whereas a hobbyist can afford labor intensive solutions. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:23:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020014634 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:23:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:23:54 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31833 "WSkriba" wrote >Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have > found inside there hives? I found a cottonmouth UNDER a hive one time, when I picked it up. And snakes are frequent inhabitants of unused equipment. I have found them, and their skeletons. I sometimes find small ones mummified (mice, too) in propolis. Black widow spiders are also common inhabitants here in the southeast. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:15:40 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> <3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1224.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1020021705 24652 62.25.227.200 (28 Apr 2002 19:21:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2002 19:21:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31834 Either. I have seen bees cluster and die with another hive just 5 feet away, but I agree that bees will drift into hives that are a considerable distance from 'home' (this was verified when studies were done into drifting after varroa arrived here). "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and > >then die out. (I have seen this happen). > > Die out or disappear? Foraging bees as a rule will find another hive > to join. Their sense of smell is so great that they can find a hive > within 300 yards in less than 1/2 an hour. Back when the v. mites > first appeared experiments were conducted that proved this. They were > studying bees being let loose from migratory trucks and the potential > mite spread. > > beekeep > > > > >Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. > > > >Peter Edwards > > > >"Keith Benson" wrote in message > >news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... > >> I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving > >> hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to > >> the aipiary. > >> > >> My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > >> hive 6 feet over? > >> > >> Keith > >> > > > > > Article 31835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: patties Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:46:17 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p46.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31835 Someone posted a thing on parafin patties some time ago. Could he or she please give the information once more? -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 Article 31836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:14:44 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31836 Hello All, I've got a quick question. I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones come on the scene. I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is this a good idea? Thanks for any input. - Dave Article 31837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: colours of pollen Message-ID: <3ccce196.35497422@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 06:18:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1020061108 24.64.223.206 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:18:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:18:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31837 Blows me out of the water to see all the incredible colours of pollen that come in. Is there a resource site that matches colour of pollen to its flower? Any good sites that show the workings (plans) for a trap? Bees were bringing back a turquoise. aqua marine. almost florescent, unbelievable colour. Would be very interested to find the flower source. Brian Article 31838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:08:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31838 > I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established > hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of > one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is > this a good idea? Go for it Dave. Excellent idea, yes they will take it. Make sure the queen is not on it first. Chuck Article 31839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: observation hive question Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAy0SdN4HTTvBxdiNvs5DNO13C7oMCFQCQGMSbwSQSuEX7mhPigngWmP5Uaw== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31839 Hi guys, I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks so much. I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? Thanks, Melissa http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQpFO6XFdlNxjerXm8U6KdcNM0wYgIUaEBiIUcsmZVpTGTQZFF92fIjzhY= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31840 The oddest thing I found was just recently. We found two laying queens in one hive. They were separated by a queen excluder. I didn't think the workers would allow two queens in the same hive, but they did. We split the hive over a week ago, and they are doing fine now. I was completely shocked! http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 12:41:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <20020429084141.21990.00006264@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!64.12.151.230.MISMATCH!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31841 Be careful using sugar and saltpetre. Resulting mixture is v. inflammable if not explosive. For example formula for gunpowder is saltpetre carbon and sulphur. we're trying to smoke them not shoot them. Article 31842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:17:29 -0400 Organization: Beekeepers Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020084834 11541743 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31842 Not only would I add some brood but I would look at feeding like crazy. Did you put the new bees on drawn foundation? If the foundation is not drawn I would look at giving them some drawn foundation so the queen can take off with the laying.... -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "David Schneider" wrote in message news:3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net... > > Hello All, > I've got a quick question. > > I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few > days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She > is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by > the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones > come on the scene. > > I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established > hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of > one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is > this a good idea? > > Thanks for any input. > > > - Dave Article 31843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 13:46:10 GMT References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Message-ID: <20020429094610.29963.00003642@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31843 You can do that but I wouldn't. I would combine both hives via the newspaper method. It helps if there is a flow on or you are feeding. And then I would order a new queen and make a split when it arrives. Article 31844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 13:48:02 GMT References: <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020429094802.29963.00003645@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31844 So far it is a type of centipede I have never seen before. About 4" long and about as thick as a pencil lead. All the others around here are 2" at best. Checkered beetles too. Article 31846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Dual Swarms? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:56:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31846 Folks, Got one that isn't in my bee book. Yesterday I got a swarm call - one from a out apiary about 30 miles away from me. I had inspected this hive the week before and found a lot of swarm cells and one swarm cell that was hatched. There was no young brood in the hive and I didn't find the original marked queen or the newly hatched virgin. I surmised that they had already swarmed but apparently I was wrong as I got this call while the swarm was in progress and went racing over there - leaving my bee suit behind in the rush. When I got there the bees had formed two distinct clusters in a apple tree not more that 50' from the emitting hive. One cluster was larger - around 15,000 bees I estimate, the other was only about half that size. Both of these clusters where in the same tree not more than a couple feet from each other. I wonder if these two clusters are just one swarm or two different swarms. One with the original queen and the other with the daughter that hatched over a week ago. From what I have read the primary swarm was to have consisted of only the original queen and no others. I have never read/heard of two queens, mother and daughter in this case, swarming simultaneously - is this possible? Anyway, I was able to get both clusters into the same hive. They seem to be cohabiting quite nicely. I suspect though that I have the original marked queen AND her virgin daughter in the same hive. The young queen may have even been mated prior to this swarm, after all she hatched over a week ago. I haven't looked through the hive yet for the queens and probably won't for a week of so to let them settle down. I was without a bee suit and didn't want to get into them further as I caught about a half dozen stings in the process of hiving them. So much for the docility of swarms! Has anyone ever had two queens swarm from the same hive at the same time? Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: observation hive question Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1020097040 198.164.250.89 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:17:20 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:17:20 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31847 I made a three frame observaiton Hive last week and put a one shelf of bees in it with a new queen to see what would happen. The queen died shortly there after, I suspect she was week before I put her in because she was barely moving. Anyhow, I watched them intently for a few days and they didn't make any effort to replace her so, I just stuck them back in one of my week hives. They are interesting as heck to watch, but I don't think one can expect them to be productive and thrive in an obsevation hive. Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Observation hive? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1020097037 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:17:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:17:17 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: OX[MQ[CDXRVWSQH]^JKBOW@@YJ_ZTB\MV@BL\QMIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31848 If you want to see a "working" colony,,you'll want to vent them to the outside. I've got a three frame obs. hive that I've vented through an exterior wall with 3/4 inch ,,clear PVC pipe. It's been going for the last four years and I've never had to replace the bees. Nothing can beat watching the girls do their thing,,,,,dancing,,,swarming,,,laying,,hatching,,, you see it all with a working observation hive. "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:b0Dy8.6911$cT2.635474@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was > just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the > livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame > of bees in the hive. > > Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new > queen in time? > > Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the > house? > > Thanks for your help......... Ken..... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 31849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Afrinized bee tracking Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1020097607 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:47 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@ION_ZYERR\XLROZOFTBTR\B@GXLN@GZ_GYO^BSZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:26:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31849 Does anyone know of a good, up to date site that keeps up with the sightings of Africanized bees? Article 31850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:53:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1020095639 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:53:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:53:59 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31850 "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > Hello All! > > Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) I use entrance feeders with water in them to supply water in the summer and keep the bees out of the neighborhood pools. -Steve Article 31851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrinized bee tracking Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZjQJDpFMB0glVOwG7n0sD6S8pzSBYewkTYGgj4at3vE28/71Aeyi2E X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2002 17:52:27 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31851 If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. Check the online papers from the Southwest. If it's current studies on AHB's in the U.S. you're after, the ARS Carl Hayden lab should have the "latest." http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov Regards, Barry > From: "J Kimbro" > Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:26:47 GMT > Subject: Afrinized bee tracking > > Does anyone know of a good, up to date site that keeps up with the sightings > of Africanized bees? Article 31852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:57:07 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ccda452.3626815@news.webintellects.net> References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 49 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31852 Thanks for the advice. Food should not be issue. The supper I gave them was about half full of drawn foundation, some with pollen and honey. I've also been keeping there feeding jar full. I'll try adding some brood and see how it goes. - Dave On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:17:29 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >Not only would I add some brood but I would look at feeding like crazy. Did >you put the new bees on drawn foundation? If the foundation is not drawn I >would look at giving them some drawn foundation so the queen can take off >with the laying.... > >-- >BeeFarmer >Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > >"David Schneider" wrote in message >news:3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net... >> >> Hello All, >> I've got a quick question. >> >> I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few >> days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She >> is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by >> the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones >> come on the scene. >> >> I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established >> hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of >> one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is >> this a good idea? >> >> Thanks for any input. >> >> >> - Dave > > Article 31853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Dual Swarms? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:30:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020130258 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:30:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:30:58 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31853 "Billy Smart" wrote > > Has anyone ever had two queens swarm from the same hive at the same > time? Yes swarms can have the old queen and sometimes several virgins along for the ride. Occasionally swarms from two or more hives merge. I have seen two swarms pitch on a high branch a few feet apart and gradually move together to make a huge swarm. One time another beekeeper and I hived a tremendous swarm that more than filled three deep boxes. We had dumped the swarm on a tarp and they were running into the hive. My friend was at the entrance grabbing queens as fast as he spotted them. He retrieved three mated queens and, if I recall right, 18 virgins. That's the record for me.... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dual Swarms? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:55:06 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d1.c3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 30 Apr 2002 03:59:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31854 Swarming has been rampant here south of San Francisco this year, and have had three swarms this year with multiple clusters, queens and virgins. Two swarms , on different days, from the same feral hive, I combined as they were so small, and they absconded a few days later. Another had two clusters, one large, and now seems queenless, or has a slow to lay virgin. Article 31855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:35:22 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148524 3058 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:35:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:35:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31855 This is common when colonies supersede - mother and daughter may even be found laying on the same comb. Unless you mark your queens, it is unlikely that you would notice it as you would think that you were seeing the same queen twice. "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > The oddest thing I found was just recently. We found two laying queens > in one hive. They were separated by a queen excluder. I didn't think > the workers would allow two queens in the same hive, but they did. We > split the hive over a week ago, and they are doing fine now. I was > completely shocked! > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:39:30 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148782 1768 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:39:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:39:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31856 Can be done, but you will see very little of interest - either the ends of the frames or the face of an outer frame (probably full of honey) depending on the side that you use. All of the brood, queen etc. will be hidden. To see the real action you need a proper observation hive. Peter Edwards "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colours of pollen Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:41:29 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3ccce196.35497422@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148915 3326 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:41:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:41:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31857 Certainly books available for the UK flora - Dorothy Hodges 'Pollen loads of the Honeybee' being the best known. Peter Edwards "bjms" wrote in message news:3ccce196.35497422@news... > Blows me out of the water to see all the incredible colours of pollen > that come in. Is there a resource site that matches colour of pollen > to its flower? Any good sites that show the workings (plans) for a > trap? Bees were bringing back a turquoise. aqua marine. almost > florescent, unbelievable colour. Would be very interested to find the > flower source. > Brian Article 31858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dual Swarms? Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:34:25 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.16 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31858 On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:56:31 GMT, Billy Smart wrote: > >Has anyone ever had two queens swarm from the same hive at the same >time? > It happens though I don't think I have had the opportunity to see one yet. I did have a double swarm last year. They both landed on the same small apple tree. One swarm was about twice the size of the first. I suspected multiple queens so I hived each one in a separate hive. 20 minutes later all the bees in the smaller hive left and joined the larger group. Never did find a second queen so I can't say what it was. -Tim Article 31859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrinized bee tracking Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:36:45 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.16 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.aros.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31859 On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500, Barry Birkey wrote: >If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. Don't trust the media reports. I've seen many such articles and simply based on the description they give the insect in question is often not an africanized bee, and sometimes isn't even a bee at all. -Tim Article 31860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:37:44 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.16 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31860 On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:53:59 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >"Norman Patterson" wrote in message >news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... >> Hello All! >> >> Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my >> neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of >> bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to >> another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) > >I use entrance feeders with water in them to supply water in the summer and >keep the bees out of the neighborhood pools. > >-Steve > It may help not to provide just water, but to provide water with some mineral salt in it. -Tim Article 31861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CCEEDA7.3FBF458E@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:16:55 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.198 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1020186187 66.20.225.198 (30 Apr 2002 12:03:07 -0500) Lines: 44 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31861 Tim Arheit wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:53:59 GMT, "Steve Huston" > wrote: > > >"Norman Patterson" wrote in message > >news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > >> Hello All! > >> > >> Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > >> neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > >> bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > >> another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) > > > >I use entrance feeders with water in them to supply water in the summer and > >keep the bees out of the neighborhood pools. > > > >-Steve > > > > It may help not to provide just water, but to provide water with some > mineral salt in it. > > -Tim I'm assuming the water in a jacuzzi would contain a substantial amount of chlorine. Certain animals seem to prefer the taste of chlorine, hogs for example like the flavor of chlorinated water. If bees have a similar preference, you might fill your entrance feeders with the water from the jacuzzi. I haven't been following this thread so if that has already been suggested, I'm just being redundant. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CCEEF9F.192B8354@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> <3CCEEDA7.3FBF458E@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:25:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1020194825 204.2.54.208 (Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:27:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:27:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31862 Hot water chemicals usually have a bromine dominant profile. JJ AL wrote: > > Tim Arheit wrote: > > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:53:59 GMT, "Steve Huston" > > wrote: > > > > >"Norman Patterson" wrote in message > > >news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > > >> Hello All! > > >> > > >> Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > > >> neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > > >> bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > > >> another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) > > > > > >I use entrance feeders with water in them to supply water in the summer and > > >keep the bees out of the neighborhood pools. > > > > > >-Steve > > > > > > > It may help not to provide just water, but to provide water with some > > mineral salt in it. > > > > -Tim > > I'm assuming the water in a jacuzzi would contain a substantial amount > of chlorine. Certain animals seem to prefer the taste of chlorine, hogs > for example like the flavor of chlorinated water. If bees have a similar > preference, you might fill your entrance feeders with the water from the > jacuzzi. > > I haven't been following this thread so if that has already been > suggested, I'm just being redundant. > > AL > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CCF2153.D48A4E77@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:57:23 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> <3CCEEDA7.3FBF458E@hcis.net> <3CCEEF9F.192B8354@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.226.75 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1020199411 66.20.226.75 (30 Apr 2002 15:43:31 -0500) Lines: 25 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31863 That makes sense. Chlorine would gas off at higher temps - my jacuzzi ignorance is showing. Never mind... AL Jeremy Goodwin wrote: > > Hot water chemicals usually have a bromine dominant > profile. > JJ > > AL wrote: > > > > I'm assuming the water in a jacuzzi would contain a substantial amount > > of chlorine. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CCF0C2D.476B34DF@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> <3CCEEDA7.3FBF458E@hcis.net> <3CCEEF9F.192B8354@dcnet2000.com> <3CCF2153.D48A4E77@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:27:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1020202133 204.2.54.208 (Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:28:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:28:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31864 I am always tempted to put my pool on bromine as the water temp. is above 85F already, thanks to the early Texas summer. JJ AL wrote: > > That makes sense. Chlorine would gas off at higher temps - my jacuzzi > ignorance is showing. Never mind... > > AL > > Jeremy Goodwin wrote: > > > > Hot water chemicals usually have a bromine dominant > > profile. > > JJ > > > > > > AL wrote: > > > > > > > I'm assuming the water in a jacuzzi would contain a substantial amount > > > of chlorine. > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrinized bee tracking Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:50:49 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa6gWrQsG9vtoH8p92hXcTnTe7fh1o+nMF2pAsmtdcVHMs+B/YqBt1d X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 22:51:21 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31865 > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500, Barry Birkey > wrote: >> If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. > > Don't trust the media reports. I've seen many such articles and > simply based on the description they give the insect in question is > often not an africanized bee, and sometimes isn't even a bee at all. > > -Tim True. That's why the word "sightings" was used. These aren't confirmed usually, but hype goes a long way towards sales. -Barry Article 31866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Afrcanized bee tracking Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1020221487 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:51:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:51:27 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_AOPTMQSLXCRK@^QTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXHZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:51:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!207.115.63.138!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31866 We REALLY need to let this thread die before my "Africanized" typo goes on forever! I have seen the news really distort the facts as far as the bees go. I live in Northern Calif. but get some Southern Cal. TV stations. Quite a few bee news stories from down there. In fact,,,the other night I saw a show on the Discovery channel that showed a mass of bees gathered on the fender of a car. The narrator was saying how bees in this situation are extremely dangerous and that they're out searching for food. Even my 5 yr old said,,,but dad,,isn't that just a swarm? And of course it was,,,you'd think you'd get a little more than that from the Discovery channel "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B8F489F9.A36C%barry@birkey.com... > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500, Barry Birkey > > wrote: > >> If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. > > > > Don't trust the media reports. I've seen many such articles and > > simply based on the description they give the insect in question is > > often not an africanized bee, and sometimes isn't even a bee at all. > > > > -Tim > > True. That's why the word "sightings" was used. These aren't confirmed > usually, but hype goes a long way towards sales. > > -Barry > Article 31867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 May 2002 08:09:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: keeping drones alive Message-ID: <20020501040926.10631.00009727@mb-fo.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31867 Wanted to show some drones to a 4 H club and put them in old queen cages, applied a little sugar water and kept warm--next day they were sluggish and next day after that, they were dead. Any ideas on keeping drones alive for show? Article 31868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping drones alive Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:50:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net> References: <20020501040926.10631.00009727@mb-fo.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31868 On 01 May 2002 08:09:26 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >Wanted to show some drones to a 4 H club and put them in old queen cages, >applied a little sugar water and kept warm--next day they were sluggish and >next day after that, they were dead. > >Any ideas on keeping drones alive for show? > > You have to put workers in with them. Drones won't feed themselves. For Instrumental Insemination drones are kept in the hives in cages made of queen excluders, in place of a frame, so that they can be tended to by the workers. beekeep Article 31869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: paul_bilodeau1@excite.com (Paul Bilodeau) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colours of pollen Date: 1 May 2002 04:58:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <3ccce196.35497422@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.186.164.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020254323 6271 127.0.0.1 (1 May 2002 11:58:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2002 11:58:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!news.futuresouth.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31869 For good plans on many different beekeeping items you can check out: www.beesource.com and view the PLANS section. They have a plan for pollen traps. Good Luck, Paul Article 31870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive question Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:50:18 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p59.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31870 melissa, i visited your sight and you seem to know a lot about beekeeping. you should be giving the answers to this one. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "Melissa Osbourne" a écrit dans le message de news: 19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Moving Hives Lines: 17 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:50:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1020268240 68.65.40.49 (Wed, 01 May 2002 11:50:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:50:40 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31871 I moved the hive we put last year's swarm in about 6ft every nite with no noticeable (by me at least) problems. "Keith Benson" wrote in message news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... > I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving > hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to > the aipiary. > > My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > hive 6 feet over? > > Keith > Article 31872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Waites, P.R." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Mead. Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:47:10 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 35 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1020271666 5345 144.32.85.141 (1 May 2002 16:47:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2002 16:47:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31872 Hi all, Do we have any mead experts amongst us? I had some scrap honey at the start of this season so my father came up with the idea of having a go at making mead. The thing is that it doesn't seem to be fermenting much. From my home-brew days the first fermentation of beer seemed to be over in a week, a great froth appearing on the brew. Our mead was made-up last Wednesday and nothing much seems to be happening so any advice would be welcome. Our recipe is: Sweet Mead. 4lb Honey made up to 1 gallon with water. Boiled and simmered for five minutes then allowed to cool. This was filtered into the fermenting vessel. A culture of fast acting wine yeast was added and the vessel was placed in the airing cupboard at about 25c. The yeast was working when it was added to the mixture. It just hasn't shown any "vigorous" fermentation, so it hardly seems worth adding an airlock yet. What experiences have folk had of making mead? Cheers, Paul. Article 31873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Making Mead. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD03060.DAEEFC35@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:13:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31873 "Waites, P.R." wrote: > You might try adding some yeast nutrient to your must. Honey is rich in sugars but deficient in other nutrients yeasts need to thrive. You should post your mead questions on rec.crafts.meadmaking - the real experts are over there. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD04757.55E9C562@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrcanized bee tracking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:51:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1020282819 204.2.54.204 (Wed, 01 May 2002 19:53:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:53:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.meganetnews.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31874 I think they have a special narration for the people in S Cal., got to keep the loonies in the dark :-) I did see the neat trick that the people in Rwanda use, a long piece of garden hose with a sock over the end. You breath out the hose when robbing the hive and the bees gather at the CO2 source. The best advice I heard was, run like mad without breathing :-) JJ J Kimbro wrote: > > We REALLY need to let this thread die before my "Africanized" typo goes on > forever! > I have seen the news really distort the facts as far as the bees go. I live > in Northern Calif. but get some Southern Cal. TV stations. Quite a few bee > news stories from down there. In fact,,,the other night I saw a show on the > Discovery channel that showed a mass of bees gathered on the fender of a > car. The narrator was saying how bees in this situation are extremely > dangerous and that they're out searching for food. Even my 5 yr old > said,,,but dad,,isn't that just a swarm? And of course it was,,,you'd > think you'd get a little more than that from the Discovery channel > > "Barry Birkey" wrote in message > news:B8F489F9.A36C%barry@birkey.com... > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500, Barry Birkey > > > wrote: > > >> If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. > > > > > > Don't trust the media reports. I've seen many such articles and > > > simply based on the description they give the insect in question is > > > often not an africanized bee, and sometimes isn't even a bee at all. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > True. That's why the word "sightings" was used. These aren't confirmed > > usually, but hype goes a long way towards sales. > > > > -Barry > > Article 31875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: MaGa Subject: Re: Making Mead. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e278476.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD05BCB.94543556@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> <3CD03060.DAEEFC35@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:19:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31875 Hi. I'm also on the mead group, I make beer, wine and mead. Yeast nutrient, there are various forms, in my experience is critical. I've used both commerical nutrients like yeast husks, and 'home remedies' like raisins to good success. The acidity is also different from wine. I add a tea bag for a gallon. There are suppies you can get at your local homebrew store to check and adjust acidity. Also, mead works slow under the best conditions. If you've brewed beer, you know of blow off tubes. I've never used one for straight mead, just the airlock. And for straight honey/water mead, by slow, this can take a good year. Primary won't be over, possibly, for a couple months. So don't expect the explosion type fermentation you get with beer and wine. Do post over on the rec.crafts.meadmaking list, there are some real experts who are ready to help out. Billy Smart wrote: > > "Waites, P.R." wrote: > > > You might try adding some yeast nutrient to your must. Honey is rich in > sugars but deficient in other nutrients yeasts need to thrive. You > should post your mead questions on rec.crafts.meadmaking - the real > experts are over there. > > Regards, > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 31876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead. Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:24:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31876 One thing to note on high gravity ferments is that you need to step the yeast up to get a high cell count of very active beasties before pitching. It works best if you a medium that is similar to what you are using to ferment. For mead, a good champagne yeast is usually needed because of the high alcohol content - getting the correct level of residual sweetness is tough to do, best consult the experts for recipees - otherwise you end up with a very dry thin hooch or a very sweet hooch.. Expect to end up pitching at least a quart of active yeast slurry for 5 gallons. Yeast nutrients are important, oxygen is important (but only before pitching - after fermentation oxygen is the enemy of mead) as well. Beware though, it's potent stuff............. "Waites, P.R." wrote in message news:3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > > Do we have any mead experts amongst us? > > I had some scrap honey at the start of this season so my father came up > with the idea of having a go at making mead. > > The thing is that it doesn't seem to be fermenting much. From my > home-brew days the first fermentation of beer seemed to be over in a > week, a great froth appearing on the brew. > > Our mead was made-up last Wednesday and nothing much seems to be > happening so any advice would be welcome. > > Our recipe is: > > Sweet Mead. > > 4lb Honey made up to 1 gallon with water. Boiled and simmered for five > minutes then allowed to cool. This was filtered into the fermenting > vessel. A culture of fast acting wine yeast was added and the vessel was > placed in the airing cupboard at about 25c. > > The yeast was working when it was added to the mixture. It just hasn't > shown any "vigorous" fermentation, so it hardly seems worth adding an > airlock yet. > > What experiences have folk had of making mead? > > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > Article 31877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Making Mead. Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:06:09 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.72.213 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1020297521 210.54.72.213 (Thu, 02 May 2002 11:58:41 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:58:41 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31877 "Waites, P.R." wrote in message news:3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > Sweet Mead. Your problem is that you are using too much honey, use about one pound per gallon max and that is the max before it refuses to ferment. Article 31878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: googler@davesweb.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: 1 May 2002 18:29:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.32.80.119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020302946 27949 127.0.0.1 (2 May 2002 01:29:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2002 01:29:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31878 OK, I didn't come up with this. My cousin says he remembers seeing on some PBS program some old-timer beekeeper who said burning tobacco (presumably in his smoker) helped kill, or at least control, mites (not sure which kind). Totally bogus? Or has anyone tried this? Or do you just get her bees hooked on tobacco? Dave in Decatur, GA Article 31879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: observation hive question Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 01:48:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.147.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1020304086 66.69.147.80 (Wed, 01 May 2002 20:48:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:48:06 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31879 Melissa, I had a long top bar hive that had one side of glass (with a sliding wooden door to cover it) and internal lighting!. The side which the glass was on was the equivalent of seeing all the ends of frames in a standard hive. A previous poster is correct. It's pretty dull seeing this. If you choose to put your glass on the other side of the hive body all you will see is the face of only one frame (and on the end it's usually just a frame of capped honey). Again, sort of boring. Real observation hives are fun though. I reccomend that you purchase or make one yourself. It's not hard to do. www.beesource.com has great plans for one. I built my own from plans on this site. Just remember to keep proper bee space. For best viewing enjoyment, obs. hives that are only one frame thick work well, although these are the most difficult to keep alive. Obs. hives that are at least two frames thick allow the bees to have better temperature control and food storage space. My hive is three frames tall and one frame thick. I have glass on both sides so I can see all the bees at any time. I do protect the hive from the Texas heat with insulated wooden doors to cover the glass when I'm not watching them. They are a pleasure to watch and you can learn so much more by being able to see everything that goes on in a hive. Enjoy! Robert Talk http://beetalk.tripod.com "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD09EC9.1DCBB60@yahoo.com> From: EveningStar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead. References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.63.165.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 1020305112 148.63.165.91 (Wed, 01 May 2002 22:04:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:04:50 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 02:04:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31880 Dave Andrews wrote: > > "Waites, P.R." wrote in message > news:3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk... > > Hi all, > > Sweet Mead. > Your problem is that you are using too much honey, use about one pound per > gallon max and that is the max before it refuses to ferment. Uh, no. On one of my meads, I used 5 pounds per gallon and it fermented just fine. Slowly but it * definaiely* made alcohol. Maureen Article 31881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Making Mead. Lines: 21 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:59:01 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.252.102 X-Trace: NewsReader 1020272814 217.34.252.102 (Wed, 01 May 2002 18:06:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:06:54 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed3!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31881 Hi Paul > Sweet Mead. > > 4lb Honey made up to 1 gallon with water. Boiled and simmered for five > minutes then allowed to cool. This was filtered into the fermenting > vessel. A culture of fast acting wine yeast was added and the vessel was > placed in the airing cupboard at about 25c. All good stuff but my experience with honey is that it is better to start with 2-3lb of honey and add the balance during the fermentation. The yeast I used did not like to start in a sweet mixture but it kept going during the additions and the final product was a very nice medium dry wine. ---------------------------------- Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA Whitstable Kent - UK ---------------------------------- Article 31882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Moving Hives Lines: 24 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:07:06 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.252.102 X-Trace: NewsReader 1020272814 217.34.252.102 (Wed, 01 May 2002 18:06:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:06:54 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed3!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31882 Hi > I moved the hive we put last year's swarm in about 6ft every nite with no > noticeable (by me at least) problems. > My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > hive 6 feet over? While it is taught and extolled that you must move a hive some distance it is possible to move it short distances but the trick is to make the bees RE-LOCATE otherwise they will go back to the previous position be it 3ft, 6ft or a mile away. Relocation can be triggered by putting a loose mass of grass, brush, straw, whatever over the entrance (but so that light can get through) so that the bees can ONLY get out by struggling through an obstacle - then they relocate even if it is only a few feet away. -------------------------------- Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA Whitstable Kent - UK ---------------------------------- Article 31883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 02:54:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1020308081 24.64.223.206 (Wed, 01 May 2002 20:54:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:54:41 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31883 If he really treads the bees with tobacco, I'm sure your "old-timer" beekeeper has no Varroa mites and no bees anymore. Check this site www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln Manfred Schreiber / Germany "Dave" wrote in message news:591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com... > OK, I didn't come up with this. My cousin says he remembers seeing on > some PBS program some old-timer beekeeper who said burning tobacco > (presumably in his smoker) helped kill, or at least control, mites > (not sure which kind). > Totally bogus? Or has anyone tried this? Or do you just get her bees > hooked on tobacco? > Dave in Decatur, GA Article 31884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Carol Harding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For sale: UK Equipment Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:49:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3CD0FDB2.C533F9EB@qichina.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1020329390 nnrp-08:27643 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 52 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31884 Hello, Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. So we now have 2 year old, disease-free hives and other equipment for sale. Single items are available at half (50%) of the new prices quoted below or as job lot. Ideal economical startup for beginner. Situated in Essex,UK, can't deliver I'm afraid. SECONDHAND BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FOR SALE Description Cost- UKP(as new) Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 +sloping floor+gabled roof 10.00 Empty Supers (5 @ £27.00 each) 135.00 Queen Excluders (2 @ £14 each) 28.00 Dummy Boards (2 @ £4.50 each) 9.00 Feeders (2 @ £6.00 each) 12.00 Smoker 34.00 Hive Tool 8.00 Manual Extractor 160.00 Polythene Tank 19.00 Comb Cutter 8 oz (unused) 22.00 Jacket & Veil 1 @ 40 " 53.00 1 @ 44 " 53.00 Beekeeping Trousers 1 @ 38 " 19.00 1 Large 19.00 Total Cost as new 787.00 Offers in the region of £300-350 accepted for the lot. Also available (all unused): Various jars eg 48 round 1 lb jars with lid 50 8 oz cut comb containers Labels and Tamper Evident Labels Hive Stand Frames (not made up), nails, etc Please email me if interested Thanks, Carol. Article 31885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Lines: 32 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:46:04 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.238.180 X-Trace: NewsReader 1020325930 217.34.238.180 (Thu, 02 May 2002 08:52:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:52:10 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31885 In days of old.... for those of us with white hair.... tobacco smoke was used to dislodge the bee louse, this was before Varroa mites were invented and the bee louse did not feed FROM the bee ie pierce its skin, but fed ON the bee taking scraps of food from its mouthparts. ---------------------------------- Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA Whitstable Kent - UK ---------------------------------- "Beeguy" wrote in message news:RT1A8.5377$uE2.347770@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > If he really treads the bees with tobacco, I'm sure your "old-timer" > beekeeper has no Varroa mites and no bees anymore. > Check this site www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > Manfred Schreiber / Germany > > > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com... > > OK, I didn't come up with this. My cousin says he remembers seeing on > > some PBS program some old-timer beekeeper who said burning tobacco > > (presumably in his smoker) helped kill, or at least control, mites > > (not sure which kind). > > Totally bogus? Or has anyone tried this? Or do you just get her bees > > hooked on tobacco? > > Dave in Decatur, GA > > Article 31886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead. Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:51:38 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 44 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CD10C2A.B96CC473@york.ac.uk> References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> <3CD03060.DAEEFC35@boeing.com> <3CD05BCB.94543556@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1020333131 436 144.32.85.141 (2 May 2002 09:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2002 09:52:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31886 Wow......... Thanks, A newsgroup specifically for making mead....... I'll take a look over there now. I have quite a lot of old honey taken from a brood box that is not really suitable for spreading on my morning toast so mead making seems like a good experiment. Thanks, Paul. MaGa wrote: > Hi. I'm also on the mead group, I make beer, wine and mead. Yeast > nutrient, there are various forms, in my experience is critical. I've > used both commerical nutrients like yeast husks, and 'home remedies' > like raisins to good success. The acidity is also different from wine. I > add a tea bag for a gallon. There are suppies you can get at your local > homebrew store to check and adjust acidity. > > Also, mead works slow under the best conditions. If you've brewed beer, > you know of blow off tubes. I've never used one for straight mead, just > the airlock. And for straight honey/water mead, by slow, this can take a > good year. Primary won't be over, possibly, for a couple months. So > don't expect the explosion type fermentation you get with beer and wine. > > Do post over on the rec.crafts.meadmaking list, there are some real > experts who are ready to help out. > > Billy Smart wrote: > > > > "Waites, P.R." wrote: > > > > > You might try adding some yeast nutrient to your must. Honey is rich in > > sugars but deficient in other nutrients yeasts need to thrive. You > > should post your mead questions on rec.crafts.meadmaking - the real > > experts are over there. > > > > Regards, > > > > Billy Smart > > Rock, KS Article 31887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-13-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1020333809 25737 213.122.13.118 (2 May 2002 10:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:03:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31887 Thornes the beekeeping suppliers still sell it. I use it in small amounts as a smoker aromatic with no ill side effects. > From: "Keith Hooker" > Organization: Technology Management Ltd > Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:46:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? > > www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln >> Manfred Schreiber / Germany Article 31888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping drones alive Date: 2 May 2002 06:37:17 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <20020501040926.10631.00009727@mb-fo.aol.com> <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1020335728 24695 166.84.1.2 (2 May 2002 10:35:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31888 In article <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >On 01 May 2002 08:09:26 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: > >>Wanted to show some drones to a 4 H club and put them in old queen cages, >>applied a little sugar water and kept warm--next day they were sluggish and >>next day after that, they were dead. >> >>Any ideas on keeping drones alive for show? >> >> >You have to put workers in with them. Drones won't feed themselves. > >For Instrumental Insemination drones are kept in the hives in cages >made of queen excluders, in place of a frame, so that they can be >tended to by the workers. That's correct. They hang out in a top super until needed. We usually collect drones in the morning, cage them, and then in the evening on the way home, pick up the caged drones. Before extracting semen from the drones, having them fly and defecate is helpful--we have a big screened cage that we'll release the caged drones into. They fly around, defecate are easier to work with. We'll spread two thin lines of honey across one side of their cage, and this gives them extra energy, on their trip to our house. They do actually eat the honey. Watch them. Often, they'll get cold in the cage. Warming them up by an incandescent light works to keep them alive too. If lucky, we'll time the drones' age right and get semen from each drone. About one microliter per drone. I've found that the mature drones hang out in specific areas in the hive in the morning. It is extremely frustrating trying to collect semen from immature drones! This season, we've already inseminated some virgins and they are laying! That's really early! If the pace continues, I'll have to become a super-making-machine in my basement. :( Long live the honey flow! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping drones alive Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:31:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3cd122ec.869085596@news1.radix.net> References: <20020501040926.10631.00009727@mb-fo.aol.com> <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31889 On 2 May 2002 06:37:17 -0400, adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net>, >beekeep wrote: > >>On 01 May 2002 08:09:26 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >> >>>Wanted to show some drones to a 4 H club and put them in old queen cages, >>>applied a little sugar water and kept warm--next day they were sluggish and >>>next day after that, they were dead. >>> >>>Any ideas on keeping drones alive for show? >>> >>> >>You have to put workers in with them. Drones won't feed themselves. >> >>For Instrumental Insemination drones are kept in the hives in cages >>made of queen excluders, in place of a frame, so that they can be >>tended to by the workers. > >That's correct. They hang out in a top super until needed. We usually collect >drones in the morning, cage them, and then in the evening on the way home, >pick up the caged drones. Before extracting semen from the drones, having them >fly and defecate is helpful--we have a big screened cage that we'll release >the caged drones into. They fly around, defecate are easier to work with. > >We'll spread two thin lines of honey across one side of their cage, >and this gives them extra energy, on their trip to our house. They >do actually eat the honey. Watch them. Often, they'll get cold in >the cage. Warming them up by an incandescent light works to keep >them alive too. > >If lucky, we'll time the drones' age right and get semen from each >drone. About one microliter per drone. I've found that the mature >drones hang out in specific areas in the hive in the morning. It >is extremely frustrating trying to collect semen from immature >drones! To catch the proper aged drones all you have to do is put a queen excluder in front of the hive. The returning foragers will go through it but the drones can't. You just pick them off as they return to the hive from their flights and put them in the holding cages. beekeep > >This season, we've already inseminated some virgins and they are laying! >That's really early! If the pace continues, I'll have to become a >super-making-machine in my basement. :( > >Long live the honey flow! > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@panix.com Article 31890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to clean Pierco frames Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:12:38 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3cd12d50$0$78772$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.63.158.210 X-Trace: 1020341585 dread06.news.tele.dk 78772 80.63.158.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31890 Hej, How do you clean Pierco frames. In my country we are changing our frames every 2nd to 3rd year. We melt all the wax and wash the frames. Recently I bought a couple of hives with Pierco frames and would like to clean them to prevent disease. Does anybody have a good method for how to clean them? regards BA Denmark Article 31891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to clean Pierco frames Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:31:09 -0400 Organization: Beekeepers Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3cd12d50$0$78772$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020342673 13266761 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31891 Just scrape them off. I find scraping them in the winter works well as they are brittle from the cold. You cannot boil them or heat them in any way as this will warp and melt the plastic. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Bjørn Andresen" wrote in message news:3cd12d50$0$78772$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > Hej, > > How do you clean Pierco frames. > > In my country we are changing our frames every 2nd to 3rd year. We melt all the wax and wash the frames. Recently I bought a couple > of hives with Pierco frames and would like to clean them to prevent disease. > > Does anybody have a good method for how to clean them? > > regards > > BA > Denmark > > Article 31892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: 2 May 2002 05:36:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0205020436.766958e4@posting.google.com> References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020342981 10048 127.0.0.1 (2 May 2002 12:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2002 12:36:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31892 googler@davesweb.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com>... > OK, I didn't come up with this. My cousin says he remembers seeing on > some PBS program some old-timer beekeeper who said burning tobacco > (presumably in his smoker) helped kill, or at least control, mites > (not sure which kind). > Totally bogus? Or has anyone tried this? Or do you just get her bees > hooked on tobacco? > Dave in Decatur, GA I have also heard that tobacco smoke will cause mites to fall off the host and out of the hive through the screen bottom floor. Tobacco smoke has not killed my bees yet! The tobacco smoke from the smoker does a very good job of calming the bees and they are always glad to see me. Ray Morgan Article 31893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping drones alive Date: 2 May 2002 11:52:28 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20020501040926.10631.00009727@mb-fo.aol.com> <3ccfc7e1.780247640@news1.radix.net> <3cd122ec.869085596@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1020354638 3725 166.84.1.3 (2 May 2002 15:50:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31893 In article <3cd122ec.869085596@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: > >To catch the proper aged drones all you have to do is put a queen >excluder in front of the hive. The returning foragers will go through >it but the drones can't. You just pick them off as they return to the >hive from their flights and put them in the holding cages. Sure. But, at 7:00 am, when we usually start collecting drones, there aren't any flying. Figuring out where the flyers in the hive, is interesting! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: MaGa Subject: Re: Making Mead. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.207.9.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD15FEC.7036B860@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> <3CD09EC9.1DCBB60@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:49:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31894 I also have a very high alcohol, very, VERY sweet mead I make that I just love. None of my friends or family will drink the stuff. It's almost like straight, thin, kick-butt, smack you down honey, I just can't get enough of the stuff. EveningStar wrote: > > Dave Andrews wrote: > > > > "Waites, P.R." wrote in message > > news:3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk... > > > Hi all, > > > Sweet Mead. > > Your problem is that you are using too much honey, use about one pound per > > gallon max and that is the max before it refuses to ferment. > > Uh, no. On one of my meads, I used 5 pounds per gallon and it fermented > just fine. Slowly but it * definaiely* made alcohol. > > Maureen Article 31895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 May 2002 20:28:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: genetics question Message-ID: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31895 Honeybees supposedly are closer (share more genes) with their sisters than their daughters (if they were to become a queen), so "helping your mother (queen) to raise female offspring thus makes better genetic sense than breeding yourself". Can anyone explain this a little better in simple English? Buzzylee Article 31896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 May 2002 20:57:42 GMT References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-ms) Subject: Re: genetics question Message-ID: <20020502165742.28268.00001332@mb-ms.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31896 In article <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) writes: > >Honeybees supposedly are closer (share more genes) with their sisters than >their daughters (if they were to become a queen), so "helping your mother >(queen) to raise female offspring thus makes better genetic sense than >breeding >yourself". > >Can anyone explain this a little better in simple English? > I will try: If propogating your genes is the goal, then in honeybees the best way to do that for a daughter worker bee is assist the mother to make more daughters, as all the daughters share a more identical gene pool. By assisting mom, more of the daughers gene pool will be made. On the other hand, if daughter decides to go it alone (with the help of a few males), then the best she can do is give one half of her genes to her daughers (unless she inbreeds). Bob Pursley Article 31897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 21:55:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3cd1b514.906496868@news1.radix.net> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <20020502165742.28268.00001332@mb-ms.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31897 On 02 May 2002 20:57:42 GMT, bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) wrote: >In article <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com >(LKLarson1) writes: > >> >>Honeybees supposedly are closer (share more genes) with their sisters than >>their daughters (if they were to become a queen), so "helping your mother >>(queen) to raise female offspring thus makes better genetic sense than >>breeding >>yourself". >> >>Can anyone explain this a little better in simple English? >> > > I will try: If propogating your genes is the goal, then in honeybees the >best way to do that for a daughter worker bee is assist the mother to make more >daughters, as all the daughters share a more identical gene pool. By assisting >mom, more of the daughers gene pool will be made. > On the other hand, if daughter decides to go it alone (with the help of a few >males), then the best she can do is give one half of her genes to her daughers >(unless she inbreeds). >Bob Pursley But if she inbreeds then the sex alleles will match and the eggs won't hatch. beekeep Article 31898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees were tornado disaster victims too! Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:11:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3cd1b888.907380534@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31898 I live near La Plata where the F5 tornado hit a couple of days ago. Its path missed me by about 2 miles. I got a call today that a bunch of misplaced bees were hampering the cleanup operations and I got to go to ground zero and rescue them. I dumped a few in a nuc with drawn combs and rest couldn't get in fast enough. The queen was fine as well. The bees are in a new home now and seem happy. The people there should be so lucky. God what a mess. I saw oak trees 20" in diameter snaped like toothpicks. Beekeep Article 31899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 23:15:10 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <20020502165742.28268.00001332@mb-ms.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-626.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1020377815 31625 62.25.170.114 (2 May 2002 22:16:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2002 22:16:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31899 > On the other hand, if daughter decides to go it alone (with the help of a few > males), then the best she can do is give one half of her genes to her daughers > (unless she inbreeds). > Bob Pursley How would a worker honeybee 'go it alone'? She is unable to mate and produce any daughters. Peter Edwards Article 31900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 May 2002 00:28:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Vibrating Uncapping knife Message-ID: <20020502202835.02573.00008852@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31900 Was wondering if anyone had any experience good or bad with vibrating extracting knives? or any other advice on them. Was just wondering if I should stick with my electric heated knife as opposed to one of these. Thanks, Bill Article 31901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 May 2002 00:51:20 GMT References: <3CD15FEC.7036B860@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Making Mead. Message-ID: <20020502205120.15171.00007155@mb-fy.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31901 Use champagne yeast and make sure it has a source of food. Article 31902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee careful driving Lines: 13 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:14:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1020388448 68.65.40.49 (Thu, 02 May 2002 21:14:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 21:14:08 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31902 http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-mexico-bees0502may 02.story?coll=sns% -- ================ Scott Mattes Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws Article 31903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead. Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:45:27 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3CD01C0E.6A4966B1@york.ac.uk> <3CD03060.DAEEFC35@boeing.com> <3CD05BCB.94543556@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> <3CD10C2A.B96CC473@york.ac.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 63 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31903 If the honey is of questionable health, you probably want to kill off any natural yeast on it (if such a critter could grow on almost pure sugar) before the ferment. For honey it's not a serious concern, but if making a cyser (apple cider and honey) it is a good idea (cider yeast is fine for cider, but not for cyser in most cases). You can use heaat or chem to kill off natural yeast, and then pitch the right stuff.... I'm going to have to start a new tradition though. If the best Tequilla is served with a worm, my Mead will be served with a Queen (well, maybe just a worker depending on requeening cycles - a most noble end I'm sure) ..... "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3CD10C2A.B96CC473@york.ac.uk... > Wow......... Thanks, > > A newsgroup specifically for making mead....... I'll take a look over there > now. > I have quite a lot of old honey taken from a brood box that is not really > suitable for spreading on my morning toast so mead making seems like a good > experiment. > > Thanks, > > Paul. > > MaGa wrote: > > > Hi. I'm also on the mead group, I make beer, wine and mead. Yeast > > nutrient, there are various forms, in my experience is critical. I've > > used both commerical nutrients like yeast husks, and 'home remedies' > > like raisins to good success. The acidity is also different from wine. I > > add a tea bag for a gallon. There are suppies you can get at your local > > homebrew store to check and adjust acidity. > > > > Also, mead works slow under the best conditions. If you've brewed beer, > > you know of blow off tubes. I've never used one for straight mead, just > > the airlock. And for straight honey/water mead, by slow, this can take a > > good year. Primary won't be over, possibly, for a couple months. So > > don't expect the explosion type fermentation you get with beer and wine. > > > > Do post over on the rec.crafts.meadmaking list, there are some real > > experts who are ready to help out. > > > > Billy Smart wrote: > > > > > > "Waites, P.R." wrote: > > > > > > > You might try adding some yeast nutrient to your must. Honey is rich in > > > sugars but deficient in other nutrients yeasts need to thrive. You > > > should post your mead questions on rec.crafts.meadmaking - the real > > > experts are over there. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Billy Smart > > > Rock, KS > Article 31904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: googler@davesweb.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: 3 May 2002 05:32:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <591ec787.0205030432.be17a09@posting.google.com> References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.236.240.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020429124 13188 127.0.0.1 (3 May 2002 12:32:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2002 12:32:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31904 I received an email reply that tobacco does not kill bees, but does a good job of causing a varroa mite drop. You fill your smoker with tobacco, open the hive cover, and smoke 'em until you see smoke coming out of the top. Shortly thereafter is a good time to do a mite count on your sticky-paper below your mite screen. I was also cautioned to leave the bees alone for several days after this. Dave Article 31905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Randall C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insecticide question Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:36:03 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.136.121 X-Trace: sooner.brightok.net 1020429144 205.240.136.121 (Fri, 03 May 2002 07:32:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:32:24 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31905 Hi all! I have a garden near my bee hives that I need to use insecticides on. Can I use seven dust? ...and/or What other insecticides are safe for use with bees. Article 31906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rickert@penguin.rchland.ibm.com (Dennis Rickert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vibrating Uncapping knife Date: 3 May 2002 14:40:18 GMT Organization: IBM Corp. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020502202835.02573.00008852@mb-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.rchland.ibm.com X-Trace: news.rchland.ibm.com 1020436818 33110 9.5.45.36 (3 May 2002 14:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.rchland.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2002 14:40:18 GMT To: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) X-Newsreader: xrn 9.01-beta-3 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!an02.austin.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!tornews.torolab.ibm.com!hanover.torolab.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!news!penguin.rchland.ibm.com!rickert Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31906 >Was wondering if anyone had any experience good or bad with vibrating >extracting knives? or any other advice on them. Was just wondering if I should >stick with my electric heated knife as opposed to one of these. >Thanks, >Bill I used an electric carving knife last year with good success. Had to make sure it was cleaned after every frame however. This was done using a bucket of water and running the blades only in the water after each frame. Worked pretty slick. Was a lat easier than my steam heated knife. Be careful of overheating the knife motor as well. -- Dennis Article 31907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "bob janney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Automatic Bottlers Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:29:03 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: Reply-To: "bob janney" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0a.85.1b X-Server-Date: 3 May 2002 15:31:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31907 Has anyone had any experience, good or bad with the Nassenheider or Dana ApiMatic 2000 Bottlers? Any suggestions or advice? Thanks Article 31909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 May 2002 16:04:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Vibrating Uncapping knife Message-ID: <20020503120450.01801.00008888@mb-cg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31909 Thanks Dennis, I was thinking of the knives sold by the bee supply companies, Groeb Farms etc...but probably same principle... I will be uncapping around 900 -1000 frames this year. Bill Article 31910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: MaGa Subject: Re: Insecticide question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e278476.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD322BA.C3F33D21@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:52:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31910 Sevin dust is tragedy to bees. And, there are several other methods to controlling insects. For example, there are BT concoctions commercially available that target specific bad bugs. A blast with a water hose will effectively control aphids. Releasing predatory insects, like lady beetles, green lace wings, and the well known praying mantis will control a significant portion of bad bugs. I'm not an anti-chemical bigot, but since I keep bees, I've learned there are other ways. And remember, bad bugs recover from broad spectrum insecticides faster than the good predatory bugs. All the above ideas are dependent on your specific need to control exactly what bug. Do you live in the US? Most states now have Master Gardeners that are extensions of your state college, like here we're part of Washington State Univ. Check them out, they would have specific knowledge of your area, and ideas that will help you prevent killing off you bees. You can take example of the bug you need to control, and they can help you specifically target that bug. You may even find out the bug is a good guy. MaGa, *short for Master Gardener "Randall C." wrote: > > Hi all! I have a garden near my bee hives that I need to use insecticides > on. Can I use seven dust? ...and/or What other insecticides are safe for > use with bees. Article 31911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:32:26 -0500 Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.110 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020472348 14560641 216.167.138.110 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.110!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31911 >Can I use seven dust? no, it's bad for you, the earth, and the bees. >and/or What other insecticides are safe for >use with bees. 'safer' soap spray, that's about it. now this: We are losing the winnable war against cancer. Over recent decades, the incidence of cancer in industrialized nations has escalated to epidemic proportions, with the lifetime cancer risks in the United States now approaching one in two for men and one in three for women. And forget the lies about it being 'genetic' (genetics are only directly implicated in well under 10 per cent of all cancers) it's really increased poisons in the environment. Of course there's the industrial pollution, but then there's also the individual's use of dangerous products. If you have for instance, the following products in your possession: Beef Frankfurters (e.g.Oscar Mayer Foods Corporation) Unlabeled toxic ingredients: Benzene Hexachloride, carcinogenic; Dacthal,carcinogenic (can be contaminated with dioxin); Dieldrin, carcinogenic; DDT, carcinogenic; Heptachlor, carcinogenic; Hexachlorobenzene, carcinogenic; Lindane, carcinogenic; hormones, carcinogenic and feminizing; antibiotics (some are carcinogenic, e.g. Sulfamethazine). Labeled toxic ingredient: Nitrite (interacts with meat amines to form carcinogenic nitrosamines). Note: Substantive evidence of causal relation to childhood cancer. Whole Milk (e.g. Borden or Lucerne) Unlabeled toxic ingredients: DDT, carcinogenic; Dieldrin, carcinogenic; Heptachlor, carcinogenic; Hexachloro-benzene, carcinogenic; antibiotics (some are carcinogenic); Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone and IGF-1 (evidence of breast and colon cancer promotion). There's more of course, but I'm sure you're tired of hearing it. Still, would you fly in a plane with only a 50 per cent chance of making it to your destination? I doubt it. Even if you choose to not believe the evidence, a resignation will creep into your thinking that nothing can be done and from this attitude comes the "cult of death." Actually, it already has, and permeates everything. The above data (with additions by myself) were extracted from "The Politics of Cancer Revisited, 1998 East Ridge Press, Samuel S. Epstein Have a nice day. C.K. Article 31912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees were tornado disaster victims too! Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 20:02:00 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6sb6dug633ikpnuvmlq7cn7mj53phajq62@4ax.com> References: <3cd1b888.907380534@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.110 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020474121 14820741 216.167.138.110 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.110!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31912 >F5 tornado hummm, a big one..it would have been more interesting regarding your post if you had said where "La Plata" was. This is after all, an 'international' newsgroup. The local news in Amarillo, Texas (what of it I see) didn't seem to carry this story, or if they did, I missed it. The last F5 tornado I know of was in Jarrell, Texas; nothing left of the houses there but concrete foundations with a few pipes sticking out, officially described as "extensive property damage." http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/cases/jarrell/jarrell.html C.K. Article 31913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Message-ID: <34g6duc36l1f7skhl93f2khun3706o930g@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 02:09:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.243.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1020478144 142.166.243.164 (Fri, 03 May 2002 23:09:04 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:09:04 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31913 On Fri, 03 May 2002 19:32:26 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>Can I use seven dust? >no, it's bad for you, the earth, and the bees. >>and/or What other insecticides are safe for >>use with bees. >'safer' soap spray, that's about it. I use Bt, sparingly. And don't forget Squeezo, the best insecticide around. I use it on my potatoes when there are colorado potato beetles. A little bit of pressure applied with a finger and a thumb and the beetle in between. Works like a charm. -- Ajo Wissink Article 31914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:37:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31914 I think what people are getting at is that Sevin specifically is dangerous to bee's because it's a slow, but powerful poison. The bees don't die on contact, but bring it back to the hive over several days along with pollen if it's applied during flowering - poisoning the brood, the nectar, and fellow bees. By the time it does work, the hive is toast. Or so I've read in here somewhere. "Randall C." wrote in message news:srvA8.387$p07.19546@sooner.brightok.net... > Hi all! I have a garden near my bee hives that I need to use insecticides > on. Can I use seven dust? ...and/or What other insecticides are safe for > use with bees. > > Article 31915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 21:59:31 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYV0tI8hugwEMAi7mxqlB0skNKqKA4xwr5eYct43VCrSaC6sZqifIwg X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 2002 03:00:03 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31915 This might be of interest to you. http://www.beesource.com/pov/traynor/beepois.htm -Barry > From: "Randall C." > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:36:03 -0000 > Subject: Insecticide question > > Hi all! I have a garden near my bee hives that I need to use insecticides > on. Can I use seven dust? ...and/or What other insecticides are safe for > use with bees. > > Article 31916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hojjaty@hotmail.com (yazdan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scholarship for Agrometeorology Date: 4 May 2002 03:10:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <39434a16.0205040210.1056398f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.176.2.14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020507048 10194 127.0.0.1 (4 May 2002 10:10:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 2002 10:10:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31916 Dear I am a Msc of Agrometeorology.Is there any scholarship oppurtinities for me? Best regard Hojat Article 31917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:12:53 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.179.53 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1020585882 210.55.179.53 (Sun, 05 May 2002 20:04:42 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 20:04:42 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31917 "Dave" wrote in message news:591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com... (SNIP) Hi Dave, I would imagine that mossies would be attracted to high levels of Carbon dioxide because they breed often in stagnant pools of water that are high in CO2. Bees on the other hand are not attracted to the same environment while feeding, so one would presume that it would be safe. The best method of mossy destruction is a 60 watt argon laser, attached to a computer guidance system that detects movement in the dark and zaps the buggers in the air.. GRIN! Sounds better than being dive bombed every night by the little blood suckers, me and my other half often play squash the mossy on the wall. Speaking of my other half, she has an almost uncanny ability to detect airborne movement within a metre of her head even in total darkness and often leaps around clapping her hands in the dark with the seldom heard call of the lesser crested Kiwi being "Got the bugger!" All the best mate Dave Andrews www.dargaville.net Article 31918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 09:06:51 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <1020520099.868309@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.narley.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1020586055 12417 62.25.180.37 (5 May 2002 08:07:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2002 08:07:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31918 True - but I don't think we were talking about Cape bees! Peter Edwards "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:1020520099.868309@savina... > Peter Edwards wrote: > >How would a worker honeybee 'go it alone'? She is unable to mate and > >produce any daughters. > > cape bees can do the ultimate and essentially clone themselves... > see "From laying workers to social parasites" at: > http://www.edpsciences.com/docinfos/INRA-APIDO/announcement-APIDO.html > > for more on "capensis calamity", see The Cape Bee Problem at end of: > http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/months/02feb/02feb3.htm > > Article 31919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 09:10:28 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.narley.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1020586260 19366 62.25.180.37 (5 May 2002 08:11:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2002 08:11:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31919 I think that mosquitoes are attracted to the CO2 because it is a component of exhaled air from humans and other animals, i.e. it helps them find their next meal! I cannot imagine that it would attract bees. "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:uI5B8.4875$lA2.521762@news.xtra.co.nz... > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com... > > (SNIP) > > Hi Dave, I would imagine that mossies would be attracted to high levels of > Carbon dioxide because they breed often in stagnant pools of water that are > high in CO2. > Bees on the other hand are not attracted to the same environment while > feeding, so one would presume that it would be safe. > The best method of mossy destruction is a 60 watt argon laser, attached to a > computer guidance system that detects movement in the dark and zaps the > buggers in the air.. GRIN! > > Sounds better than being dive bombed every night by the little blood > suckers, me and my other half often play squash the mossy on the wall. > Speaking of my other half, she has an almost uncanny ability to detect > airborne movement within a metre of her head even in total darkness and > often leaps around clapping her hands in the dark with the seldom heard call > of the lesser crested Kiwi being "Got the bugger!" > > All the best mate > > Dave Andrews > www.dargaville.net > > > > Article 31920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees were tornado disaster victims too! Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:10:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3cd3cf64.134137803@news1.radix.net> References: <3cd1b888.907380534@news1.radix.net> <6sb6dug633ikpnuvmlq7cn7mj53phajq62@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31920 On Fri, 03 May 2002 20:02:00 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>F5 tornado > >hummm, a big one..it would have been more interesting regarding your >post if you had said where "La Plata" was. This is after all, an >'international' newsgroup. > >The local news in Amarillo, Texas (what of it I see) didn't seem to >carry this story, or if they did, I missed it. > >The last F5 tornado I know of was in Jarrell, Texas; nothing left of >the houses there but concrete foundations with a few pipes sticking >out, officially described as "extensive property damage." > >http://orbit-net.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/cases/jarrell/jarrell.html > >C.K. La Plata is in Southern Maryland, 30 miles south of Washinton DC. beekeep Article 31921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:46:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1020520099.868309@savina> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31921 Peter Edwards wrote: >How would a worker honeybee 'go it alone'? She is unable to mate and >produce any daughters. cape bees can do the ultimate and essentially clone themselves... see "From laying workers to social parasites" at: http://www.edpsciences.com/docinfos/INRA-APIDO/announcement-APIDO.html for more on "capensis calamity", see The Cape Bee Problem at end of: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/months/02feb/02feb3.htm Article 31922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD3F010.54E2@hotmail.com> From: Thom Reply-To: zzzone@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrinized bee tracking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 14:29:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.23.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1020522551 216.26.23.98 (Sat, 04 May 2002 07:29:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 07:29:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31922 Try this one http://ceris.purdue.edu/napis/pests/ahb/imap/ahb2001.html Article 31923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Axel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Genetic History of Hives Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 14:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-123-45-147.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1020524240 14534 213.123.45.147 (4 May 2002 14:57:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 14:57:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31923 We have discovered a hive on top of an 800 year old building, it was stone built, ie the guys who built the church, specifically put a hive complex in, it was unknown until renovations were started on that part of the roof. The big question is, in a remote area will there still be substancial 'pure bloddedness' in the hive? Article 31924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: larrycede1@aol.com (larrycede1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 May 2002 12:51:09 GMT References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <20020505085109.26870.00006790@mb-cj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31924 One thing i can help you with is this.Im new at bees but old at fire making they key to keeping this going is to let it get started well before you close the top you know how a camp first smokes for ever well it was burning a long time before it started going out. build a good time and let it burn real hot to let coals form at the bottom dry hard wood twigs work good for this keep them small and use alot they when the first has burned good for some time add your smoking material such as burlap or cotton the coals will keep it going with just a few puffs on it you will relight the new material get it. good luck Larry Article 31925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 14:58:21 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.d5 X-Server-Date: 4 May 2002 18:58:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31925 I have used tobacco several times in instances where the bees where vicious; it does a very good job at calming them down. I have never had any problems with this sort of smoke. Christopher Petree Article 31926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:03:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1020611117.240789@savina> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31926 Peter Edwards wrote: >True - but I don't think we were talking about Cape bees! apparently cape bees are only an extreme case in the continuum of genetic evolutionary adaptations... see "Thelytoky and AHB" at: http://www.beesource.com/news/article/thelytoky.htm and "Thelytoky in a strain of U.S. honey bees" at: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm Article 31927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD55363.EAB8BAA2@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees References: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 10:44:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1020613584 204.2.54.233 (Sun, 05 May 2002 15:46:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:46:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31927 Africanized bees, when angry, are attracted to the CO2 in your exhalation. JJ Peter Edwards wrote: > > I think that mosquitoes are attracted to the CO2 because it is a component > of exhaled air from humans and other animals, i.e. it helps them find their > next meal! > > I cannot imagine that it would attract bees. > > Article 31928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "tarutädi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:20:51 +0300 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.101.197 Message-ID: <3cd577ec_2@news.estpak.ee> X-Trace: news.estpak.ee 1020622828 194.126.101.197 (5 May 2002 21:20:28 +0300) X-Complaints-To: usenet@estpak.ee Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!news.infonet.ee!news.estpak.ee!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31928 It's true, they like (need) salted water. 0.5 teaspoonful of salt for 1 litre of water poured to bowl filled with moss. I have 6 hives and I pour them 1 litre of pure water and 1 litre of salted water every morning. It seems that in spring they like salter water and in autumn pure. > It may help not to provide just water, but to provide water with some > mineral salt in it. > > -Tim > Article 31929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 May 2002 23:33:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Insecticide question Message-ID: <20020504193301.01567.00004604@mb-mt.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31929 no wonder you americans all look so i'll, eating all that rubbish. You should come over here and try our honey. No rubbish in that. cheers Article 31930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:42:21 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <20020504193301.01567.00004604@mb-mt.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020555742 15256418 216.167.143.169 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.169!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31930 >no wonder you americans all look so i'll we don't look ill we look fat. C.K. Article 31931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: prices Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 20:19:12 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3CD48890.8EFE1448@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb8TGhrWfQ2MJrX9OVXJ/btIaQAoKZHucKfD4Bi7RWmnbcnr9SVbOGU X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2002 00:22:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31931 how much for 12 oz sqeeze bears in va, full of honey of couse, beekeep, have a couple of 8 oz ers two, any guidense would be helpful, did get 4 dollars for the 8 oz but think that may be too much, or is get what ya can Article 31932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide question Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:41:26 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <20020504193301.01567.00004604@mb-mt.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020555686 15234261 216.167.143.169 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.169!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31932 >You should come over here and try our honey if we only knew 'where' that was. C.K. Article 31933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: paraffin patties against varroa Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 00:43:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1020559415 24.64.223.206 (Sat, 04 May 2002 18:43:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:43:35 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31933 Go to the following web site, www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln You will find the best way to get rid of the Varroa without any chemicals in your beehive and the result is up to 99.8 %. Greetings from Germany Manfred Schreiber "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message news:ab1i6r$ei011@news.vtx.ch... > Anyone out there got a good recipe? > > -- > Best regards... > Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com > Mailto=> info@broennimann.com > > Martin-Paul Broennimann > architecte et urbaniste > 14, rue du Diorama > CH 1204 Genève > Switzerland > > portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 > > > Article 31934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020504193301.01567.00004604@mb-mt.aol.com> Subject: Re: Insecticide question Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:27:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1020641251 12.81.128.110 (Sun, 05 May 2002 23:27:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:27:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.54!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31934 I think it is where they boil beef. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:bcs8du4fue702s4o78gda3ukafjc8b9bc3@4ax.com... > >You should come over here and try our honey > > if we only knew 'where' that was. > > C.K. Article 31935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: paraffin patties against varroa Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:00:44 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 17 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p02.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31935 Anyone out there got a good recipe? -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 Article 31936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paraffin patties against varroa Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 23:54:35 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p05.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!deine.net!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31936 Thanks for the tip Mani -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "Beeguy" a écrit dans le message de news: Xe%A8.19128$xS2.1580862@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... > Go to the following web site, www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > You will find the best way to get rid of the Varroa without any chemicals in > your beehive and the result is up to 99.8 %. > Greetings from Germany > Manfred Schreiber > > "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message > news:ab1i6r$ei011@news.vtx.ch... > > Anyone out there got a good recipe? > > > > -- > > Best regards... > > Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com > > Mailto=> info@broennimann.com > > > > Martin-Paul Broennimann > > architecte et urbaniste > > 14, rue du Diorama > > CH 1204 Genève > > Switzerland > > > > portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 > > > > > > > > Article 31937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD5E284.2000807@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bordam War [Count Down] two weeks to go Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 01:55:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.11.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1020650130 151.203.11.4 (Sun, 05 May 2002 21:55:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:55:30 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31937 Ok I figured it would be to start a bit of a countdown. (I know this will put a few extra messages in peoples mail boxes so the subject will always include [Count Down] so you can filter if you wish) Anton is gotin to put is considerable market skills behind finding cheeper hay and the tokens to use for the reserections. "chauk" line paint will be avalable thanks to Tim and Vinny. I am going to act as clearing house over the next two weeks so stay tooned. Also send me any needs question or concerns so they can be addressed. Thanks Duncan Forbes Article 31938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD5E347.5010203@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bordam War [Count Down] two weeks to go References: <3CD5E284.2000807@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 01:58:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.11.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1020650325 151.203.11.4 (Sun, 05 May 2002 21:58:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:58:45 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!news.futuresouth.com!atlnga1-snf1.ops.genuity.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31938 Sorry! Charles Puffer wrote: > Ok I figured it would be to start a bit of a countdown. (I know this > will put a few extra messages in peoples mail boxes so the subject will > always include [Count Down] so you can filter if you wish) > > Anton is gotin to put is considerable market skills behind finding > cheeper hay and the tokens to use for the reserections. > > "chauk" line paint will be avalable thanks to Tim and Vinny. > > I am going to act as clearing house over the next two weeks so stay > tooned. Also send me any needs question or concerns so they can be > addressed. > > Thanks > Duncan Forbes > Article 31939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: googler@davesweb.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees Date: 4 May 2002 19:54:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.32.84.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020567295 30001 127.0.0.1 (5 May 2002 02:54:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2002 02:54:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31939 Mosquitos are really bad at our house. My wife said tonight that she wants one of those newfangled CO2 emitting thingamajigs that lure bugs and trap them to die a slow death of dehydration. Well, I hate those mosquitos, too, but now that we also have two honeybee colonies in the back yard, I don't want them to be lured by the CO2. What do you think? Will the bees fall for the CO2 trap? Or maybe I could run the CO2 thing only at night when my bees are safely tucked inside their hives? Dave in Decatur, GA Article 31940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: MaGa Subject: Re: Insecticide question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e278476.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD6BA3A.3618F5BA@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <34g6duc36l1f7skhl93f2khun3706o930g@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:15:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31940 Squeezo, LOVE it! Ajo Wissink wrote: > > On Fri, 03 May 2002 19:32:26 -0500, Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > > >>Can I use seven dust? > > >no, it's bad for you, the earth, and the bees. > > >>and/or What other insecticides are safe for > >>use with bees. > > >'safer' soap spray, that's about it. > > I use Bt, sparingly. And don't forget Squeezo, the best insecticide > around. I use it on my potatoes when there are colorado potato beetles. A > little bit of pressure applied with a finger and a thumb and the beetle in > between. Works like a charm. > > -- > Ajo Wissink Article 31941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD6CA71.5CF0A06B@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:24:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31941 CO2 will stimulate defensive behaviours in bees, so it might attract them to the trap as they persue the source and try to "attack" it. The only way to know for sure is to try it. Billy Smart Rock, KS Dave wrote: > > Mosquitos are really bad at our house. My wife said tonight that she > wants one of those newfangled CO2 emitting thingamajigs that lure bugs > and trap them to die a slow death of dehydration. Well, I hate those > mosquitos, too, but now that we also have two honeybee colonies in the > back yard, I don't want them to be lured by the CO2. > What do you think? Will the bees fall for the CO2 trap? Or maybe I > could run the CO2 thing only at night when my bees are safely tucked > inside their hives? > Dave in Decatur, GA Article 31942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:29:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31942 You're not thinking that this colony has been there for 800 years are you? The colony currently in residence is probably the result of a recent swarm, and should have recent genetic lineage. Axel wrote: > > We have discovered a hive on top of an 800 year old building, it was stone > built, ie the guys who built the church, specifically put a hive complex in, > it was unknown until renovations were started on that part of the roof. > > The big question is, in a remote area will there still be substancial 'pure > bloddedness' in the hive? Article 31943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Axel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-118-66.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1020722637 12652 213.122.118.66 (6 May 2002 22:03:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:03:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31943 The man who designed the chapel was also a bee keeper of some repute. In the roof of the chapel he built, of stone, a hive complex with a bee / hive motif. The building is under going renovation and the stone hive is full of bees. It may be a recent occupation or it may have a lot of history, no one knows. All that is known is the original master/architect was a renowned bee keeper and he built the place in the 13th century. I'd assume that as there would be no predation the only thing that would screw the hive would be a major pest infestation. "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com... > You're not thinking that this colony has been there for 800 years are > you? The colony currently in residence is probably the result of a > recent swarm, and should have recent genetic lineage. > > > Axel wrote: > > > > We have discovered a hive on top of an 800 year old building, it was stone > > built, ie the guys who built the church, specifically put a hive complex in, > > it was unknown until renovations were started on that part of the roof. > > > > The big question is, in a remote area will there still be substancial 'pure > > bloddedness' in the hive? Article 31944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Questions Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 05:20:08 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31944 I had a strange thing happen to my hive today and I was wondering if anyone out there could give me a hint as to what went on. The person whos house my bees are at called me today at work and told me that there was a HUGE swarm (1.5' x 3' blob) about 20' from the entrance to my hive. He said he did not see them come out of my hive and there were no bees overflowing out of my entrance. After hanging out on the tree for about 30 minutes, it left. He did not see where they went. When I checked after work I found a very small blob of bees in the pallet my hive is on. I opened up the hive found it full of bees (a sight I like to see). It did not look like any were missing. I checked the brood chambers and found 10-15 swam cells, which I removed (I hope this was the right thing to do). I tired to find the queen but could not find her. There were lots of fresh eggs though. Before I left for the evening I put out an empty super with base near by in hopes that if a swarm does happen, they will just move right in. I suppose the swarm could have come from somewhere else and just moved on but I checked the area and called the surrounding houses and did not find anything.I had done a quick check on my hive a few days earlier but did not look for swarm cells. There was a lot of space in the honey super area. Is it possible that the swarm left and then came back? Why would it do this? Is it likely to swarm again? How often should I check the brood chamber? Any info or suggestions are welcome. - Dave Article 31945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:32:50 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.tailslide.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1020753225 1706 62.25.192.18 (7 May 2002 06:33:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2002 06:33:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!deine.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31945 I agree. 10 miles from Edinburgh is not remote - there are many beekeepers in the area. "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com... > You're not thinking that this colony has been there for 800 years are > you? The colony currently in residence is probably the result of a > recent swarm, and should have recent genetic lineage. Article 31946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 May 2002 06:34:43 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Message-ID: <20020507023443.11762.00015559@mb-mq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31946 I have no idea how you determine what "age" genetically your bees might be in this old building of yours other than checking out DNA analysis? Haven't read anything about that in the magazines, but I sure would think that there must be enough cases of preserved honeybees from some thousands of years ago (let alone millions) where some analysis of the genes might have been made, which could be compared to the "present bees"? Buzzylee\ Article 31947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CO2 Mosquito Lures and Honeybees Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:39:29 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <591ec787.0205041854.3df2f40a@posting.google.com> <3CD6CA71.5CF0A06B@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.tailslide.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1020753621 16265 62.25.192.18 (7 May 2002 06:40:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2002 06:40:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31947 Surely defensive behaviour is only stimulated when CO2 is blown into the colony, e.g. human or animal breath? If bees attacked everything that produced CO2 in the world then they would be constantly attacking everything that breathes - including themselves! "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3CD6CA71.5CF0A06B@boeing.com... > CO2 will stimulate defensive behaviours in bees, so it might attract > them to the trap as they persue the source and try to "attack" it. The > only way to know for sure is to try it. > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS > > > Dave wrote: > > > > Mosquitos are really bad at our house. My wife said tonight that she > > wants one of those newfangled CO2 emitting thingamajigs that lure bugs > > and trap them to die a slow death of dehydration. Well, I hate those > > mosquitos, too, but now that we also have two honeybee colonies in the > > back yard, I don't want them to be lured by the CO2. > > What do you think? Will the bees fall for the CO2 trap? Or maybe I > > could run the CO2 thing only at night when my bees are safely tucked > > inside their hives? > > Dave in Decatur, GA Article 31948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <591ec787.0205011729.773ae600@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Lines: 17 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:22:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.232.132 X-Trace: NewsReader 1020757722 217.34.232.132 (Tue, 07 May 2002 08:48:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:48:42 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31948 I think there is a need to define MITE here - are we talking about Varroa a mite which is predacious on the honeybee or the bee louse which lives in symbiosis with it? Is anyone aware of any research work on the efficacy of tobacco smoke on Varroa? The general effect of tobacco smoke on bees will be calming - its smoke - but again is anyone aware of any comparison trials between different smoke sources? -------------------------------- Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA Whitstable Kent - UK ---------------------------------- Article 31949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> Subject: Re: Swarm Questions Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:06:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1020773173 207.179.133.155 (Tue, 07 May 2002 09:06:13 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:06:13 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31949 I have rad that if the queen in not able to fly and the colony swarms, they will go a little ways and wait for her, if she doesn't show up, they will go back to the hive. I would check and see if their is a queen and that her wings are not damage or that she is too big to fly. If she is still laying she is likely too big to fly. She has to stop laying for a while to slim down to be able to fly. If you do have many more bees then need in the hive maybe you should take a few frames of bees and ones with queen cells and put them in another hive to weaken the original one and start another. I only have 8 hives and none are that strong, so I only know what I have read, I am not a pro yet..... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "David Schneider" wrote in message news:3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net... > > I had a strange thing happen to my hive today and I was wondering if > anyone out there could give me a hint as to what went on. > > The person whos house my bees are at called me today at work and told > me that there was a HUGE swarm (1.5' x 3' blob) about 20' from the > entrance to my hive. He said he did not see them come out of my hive > and there were no bees overflowing out of my entrance. After hanging > out on the tree for about 30 minutes, it left. He did not see where > they went. > > When I checked after work I found a very small blob of bees in the > pallet my hive is on. I opened up the hive found it full of bees (a > sight I like to see). It did not look like any were missing. I checked > the brood chambers and found 10-15 swam cells, which I removed (I hope > this was the right thing to do). I tired to find the queen but could > not find her. There were lots of fresh eggs though. Before I left for > the evening I put out an empty super with base near by in hopes that > if a swarm does happen, they will just move right in. > > I suppose the swarm could have come from somewhere else and just moved > on but I checked the area and called the surrounding houses and did > not find anything.I had done a quick check on my hive a few days > earlier but did not look for swarm cells. There was a lot of space in > the honey super area. Is it possible that the swarm left and then came > back? Why would it do this? Is it likely to swarm again? How often > should I check the brood chamber? > > Any info or suggestions are welcome. > > - Dave > Article 31950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 May 2002 12:31:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Message-ID: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31950 there are different types of tobacco, I use bee tobacco which seems to be harmless. I'm not sure about pipe or cigarette tobacco. I can't see that the nicotine would be very good for them. Heart Disease and strokes etc. ;-) Article 31951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Questions Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020779555 17263079 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31951 Dave, maybe the first thing I would of done before killing the queen cells would be to make SURE there was a queen. If the queen is gone you just killed her successor. Your bees will raise another queen probably.. just not as fast as the queen cells would of hatched. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "David Schneider" wrote in message news:3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net... > > I had a strange thing happen to my hive today and I was wondering if > anyone out there could give me a hint as to what went on. > > The person whos house my bees are at called me today at work and told > me that there was a HUGE swarm (1.5' x 3' blob) about 20' from the > entrance to my hive. He said he did not see them come out of my hive > and there were no bees overflowing out of my entrance. After hanging > out on the tree for about 30 minutes, it left. He did not see where > they went. > > When I checked after work I found a very small blob of bees in the > pallet my hive is on. I opened up the hive found it full of bees (a > sight I like to see). It did not look like any were missing. I checked > the brood chambers and found 10-15 swam cells, which I removed (I hope > this was the right thing to do). I tired to find the queen but could > not find her. There were lots of fresh eggs though. Before I left for > the evening I put out an empty super with base near by in hopes that > if a swarm does happen, they will just move right in. > > I suppose the swarm could have come from somewhere else and just moved > on but I checked the area and called the surrounding houses and did > not find anything.I had done a quick check on my hive a few days > earlier but did not look for swarm cells. There was a lot of space in > the honey super area. Is it possible that the swarm left and then came > back? Why would it do this? Is it likely to swarm again? How often > should I check the brood chamber? > > Any info or suggestions are welcome. > > - Dave > Article 31952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Message-ID: References: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:05:33 EDT Organization: Bellsouth.Net Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:07:27 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!9e97b4a9!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31952 I would love to see some pictures. Any chance of posting photos on the web somewhere? -Barry Richards Once upon a time, specifically Mon, 6 May 2002 22:03:57 +0000 (UTC), "Axel" wrote: >The man who designed the chapel was also a bee keeper of some repute. In the >roof of the chapel he built, of stone, a hive complex with a bee / hive >motif. > >The building is under going renovation and the stone hive is full of bees. > >It may be a recent occupation or it may have a lot of history, no one knows. > >All that is known is the original master/architect was a renowned bee keeper >and he built the place in the 13th century. > >I'd assume that as there would be no predation the only thing that would >screw the hive would be a major pest infestation. Article 31953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> Subject: Re: genetics question Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:14:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1020780842 67.200.206.217 (Tue, 07 May 2002 07:14:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:14:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31953 The author implies that the best an individual can do evolutionarily is to pass down as much of its own genetic material as possible. This assertion is at odds with the empirical evidence that sexual reproduction is common throughout life. Bob Pursley was correct in qualifying his answer to the thread. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com... > Honeybees supposedly are closer (share more genes) with their sisters than > their daughters (if they were to become a queen), so "helping your mother > (queen) to raise female offspring thus makes better genetic sense than breeding > yourself". > > Can anyone explain this a little better in simple English? > > Buzzylee > > > Article 31954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CD7CD25.128C467F@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:09:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1020794990 67.251.117.51 (Tue, 07 May 2002 14:09:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:09:50 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31954 Charles Pecka wrote: > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > Try some dryer lint, then some cotton cloth mixed with crushed pine cone, > once it starts I don't have to re-light it. be patient and get it going good > before you close it up. > > Chuck I put a piece of denim (from old bluejeans) in the smoker and then light a piece of the smoker fuel (purchased at Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in my area) on top of the denim and it smokes fine. Usually, when I finish my task, I have to extinguish the 'fire' because it lasts so long. Nancy -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and ever more so to n.kc@verizons.net | those whom the war is making enormously wealthy. | -- Celine Article 31955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:04:45 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-4-p16.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31955 Hi Axel, You're not talking about Roslyn chapel are you? -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "Billy Smart" a écrit dans le message de news: 3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com... > You're not thinking that this colony has been there for 800 years are > you? The colony currently in residence is probably the result of a > recent swarm, and should have recent genetic lineage. > > > Axel wrote: > > > > We have discovered a hive on top of an 800 year old building, it was stone > > built, ie the guys who built the church, specifically put a hive complex in, > > it was unknown until renovations were started on that part of the roof. > > > > The big question is, in a remote area will there still be substancial 'pure > > bloddedness' in the hive? Article 31956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Medicating In New England? Date: 7 May 2002 16:42:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0205071542.4b2c6b12@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.86.80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020814975 25599 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2002 23:42:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2002 23:42:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31956 Hello all, I was wondering if I should be medicating my bees this spring. If so with what? Thanks for your help Norman Patterson Article 31957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 7 May 2002 17:27:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0205071627.1f80112e@posting.google.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020817674 26641 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2002 00:27:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2002 00:27:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31957 I don't think you can overemphasize this point. Unless there is good air flow through the smoker, it doesn't matter what "magic" fuel you use. Besides checking the bellows action, scrape the creosote away from the exit hole. Nuc. Barry Birkey wrote in message news:... > Hi Taylor - > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > This makes me wonder if the hole in the bellows might be clogged up and not > allowing air into the smoke chamber. Sometimes when the smoker sits around > over winter, spiders can build a nest in this hole. Other possible ways for > it to clog also. Double check this and make sure everything is working as > designed. > > Regards, > Barry Article 31958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: welaine3@shaw.ca (elaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mineral oil Tx for varroa Date: 7 May 2002 17:58:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <77108537.0205071658.337c9614@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020819525 27288 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2002 00:58:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2002 00:58:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31958 I have attempted to use mineral oil coated wax paper strips between brood frames as outlined in an experiment by "Pedro Rodriguez" which I found at the apiservices web site. I am going into the fourth week. Today I examined about 30 capped brood a mix of drones and worker cells and found about the same number of active varroa mites inside the cells. This doesn't look very good to me. I can still probably treat with formic acid in time to miss the main honey flow in July. Has anyone else tried mineral oil as an alternative treatment? Article 31959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Questions Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 05:19:42 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cd8b528.894175@news.webintellects.net> References: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 58 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31959 Yeah, I though about that after I went through and did the deed. Learning as I go, I guess. I was going to check this weekend and see if I could find her. - Dave On Tue, 7 May 2002 09:52:33 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >Dave, maybe the first thing I would of done before killing the queen cells >would be to make SURE there was a queen. If the queen is gone you just >killed her successor. > >Your bees will raise another queen probably.. just not as fast as the queen >cells would of hatched. >-- >BeeFarmer >Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > >"David Schneider" wrote in message >news:3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net... >> >> I had a strange thing happen to my hive today and I was wondering if >> anyone out there could give me a hint as to what went on. >> >> The person whos house my bees are at called me today at work and told >> me that there was a HUGE swarm (1.5' x 3' blob) about 20' from the >> entrance to my hive. He said he did not see them come out of my hive >> and there were no bees overflowing out of my entrance. After hanging >> out on the tree for about 30 minutes, it left. He did not see where >> they went. >> >> When I checked after work I found a very small blob of bees in the >> pallet my hive is on. I opened up the hive found it full of bees (a >> sight I like to see). It did not look like any were missing. I checked >> the brood chambers and found 10-15 swam cells, which I removed (I hope >> this was the right thing to do). I tired to find the queen but could >> not find her. There were lots of fresh eggs though. Before I left for >> the evening I put out an empty super with base near by in hopes that >> if a swarm does happen, they will just move right in. >> >> I suppose the swarm could have come from somewhere else and just moved >> on but I checked the area and called the surrounding houses and did >> not find anything.I had done a quick check on my hive a few days >> earlier but did not look for swarm cells. There was a lot of space in >> the honey super area. Is it possible that the swarm left and then came >> back? Why would it do this? Is it likely to swarm again? How often >> should I check the brood chamber? >> >> Any info or suggestions are welcome. >> >> - Dave >> > > Article 31960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:24:16 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-533.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1020839054 463 217.135.66.21 (8 May 2002 06:24:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2002 06:24:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31960 "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com... > there are different types of tobacco, > I use bee tobacco which seems to be harmless. --------------------------- Not so sure about that! As far as I know, all tobacco contains nicotine which is an insecticide - and bees are insects. MAFF (as was) used tobacco smoke as a quick knock down to test for varroa when it first arrived in the UK, but I seem to remember rumours that it caused considerable winter losses and the practice was discontinued. Anyone have more info? Peter Edwards Article 31961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Prevented? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 06:13:50 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-iYvHH7asnhWeSUGXEupArtzrAC2LC/AQG0eFVf4yPLRklVGKCJdMtjMCAIVasClyOUk02KjgbgmT2lr!a62gP4kKLXhrRWCMVJNNeWj+0NE4OfcMJKoA4r+1eTzB6j0tLL+k6hm1s1Hf2rrAFP+rq4jt/Hzw!5Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:13:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31961 We just bought our first two hives a couple weeks ago. One was much more vigorous and populated than the other. When I came home from work yesterday, my wife said that she thought the vigorous colony was thinking of swarming. There were two clumps of 30-50 bees at the entrance to the hive and the clumps were growing up the front wall. Fortunately, the supplies we had ordered had just arrived, so we tacked together a new deep hive box and filled it with frames. We went out after dark; the bee clumps were bigger than before. We removed the super and queen extruder, placed the new hive on top of the old one, and put the queen excluder and super on top of that. Then we smoked the clumps of bees in front of the hive. A few flew away but most retreated back into the hive. I just checked this morning and there's no swarming activity at that hive. There were a few bees flying in and out, like normal. We'll check the hive in more detail this weekend, after they've had a chance to adapt to their new situation. It seems like we did the right thing but any comments or suggestions from more experienced beekeepers would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul Article 31962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Prevented? Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:37:25 -0400 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020857966 17672291 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31962 I wouldn't call 30 - 50 bees sitting outside a hive a reason to add another deep. I'd call it socializing! Your hive is going to get pretty tall if the bees keep socializing : ) -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Pavel314" wrote in message news:OL7C8.49903$M7.5568359@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > We just bought our first two hives a couple weeks ago. One was much more > vigorous and populated than the other. When I came home from work yesterday, > my wife said that she thought the vigorous colony was thinking of swarming. > There were two clumps of 30-50 bees at the entrance to the hive and the > clumps were growing up the front wall. > > Fortunately, the supplies we had ordered had just arrived, so we tacked > together a new deep hive box and filled it with frames. We went out after > dark; the bee clumps were bigger than before. We removed the super and queen > extruder, placed the new hive on top of the old one, and put the queen > excluder and super on top of that. > > Then we smoked the clumps of bees in front of the hive. A few flew away but > most retreated back into the hive. > > I just checked this morning and there's no swarming activity at that hive. > There were a few bees flying in and out, like normal. We'll check the hive > in more detail this weekend, after they've had a chance to adapt to their > new situation. > > It seems like we did the right thing but any comments or suggestions from > more experienced beekeepers would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > Article 31963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 May 2002 12:30:27 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: gepe slides Message-ID: <20020508083027.25270.00007452@mb-ci.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31963 Hiya, I am going to try my hand at morphometry. Just looked on www.jessops.co.uk to try and order gepe slides. There is a bewildering array of different types. Can anyone advise? What do you use? Article 31964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetic History of Hives Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:27:38 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p20.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31964 Yes, I remember visiting the scaffolding on the north side about 3 yrs ago and saw the bees coming and going. Quite impressive in an historic building. I tend to agree with the other posts that they have not really been isolated. There are plenty of towns and suburbs in the area, and surely plenty of beekeepers. So genetic mix must have occurred. -- Best regards... visite our website=> www.broennimann.com mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 "Billy Smart" a écrit dans le message de news: 3CD6CB94.F8444DD6@boeing.com... > You're not thinking that this colony has been there for 800 years are > you? The colony currently in residence is probably the result of a > recent swarm, and should have recent genetic lineage. > > > Axel wrote: > > > > We have discovered a hive on top of an 800 year old building, it was stone > > built, ie the guys who built the church, specifically put a hive complex in, > > it was unknown until renovations were started on that part of the roof. > > > > The big question is, in a remote area will there still be substancial 'pure > > bloddedness' in the hive? Article 31965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0205071542.4b2c6b12@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Spring Medicating In New England? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6Q9C8.99254$WV1.29533443@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:34:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1020864898 24.62.89.183 (Wed, 08 May 2002 09:34:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 09:34:58 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31965 Hi Norman, > I was wondering if I should be medicating my bees this spring. If so with what? You didn't mention where you are, but here in southern Massachusetts, it's too late for medicating if you want to collect any honey. If you treated for varroa (or know that your colonies don't need it) you should be ok, but monitor things through the summer. My colonies needed no medicating this spring, so you may be ok. Have you inspected the colonies yet? If not, get in and check for queenright colonies, healthy, flying bees, no foulbrood, etc. If you can hook up with a local beekeeper or two and a beekeepers association, you can get lots of good info and advice tailored to your locale. Good luck, -Steve Article 31966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <8ZbC8.42748$GG6.3551747@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:01:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1020873668 24.64.223.206 (Wed, 08 May 2002 10:01:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:01:08 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31966 And lung cancer also :>)) "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com... > there are different types of tobacco, > I use bee tobacco which seems to be harmless. > I'm not sure about pipe or cigarette tobacco. > I can't see that the nicotine would be very good for them. Heart Disease and > strokes etc. ;-) Article 31967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Swarm Prevented? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD9654F.55224D1B@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:50:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31967 Hello again, What you saw wasn't a swarm. Sometimes bees just hang out in front of the hive - it could be due to hot weather, it could be due to crowding, there are many reasons why they would be doing this. When bees swarm it is much more dramatic - thousands of bee will be flying around the bee yard and they will eventually cluster on some nearby object for a while before moving on to a permanent home. Merely adding another brood box to a hive that is swarming or preparing to swarm will do no good. In fact, once a colony gets that swarming urge, the opportunity to do much of anything about it has passed. The trick is to never let them get that urge to begin with. You do this giving the queen lots of open brood cells to lay eggs in, preferably over the cluster. You need to look in the hive and see if there are any swarm cells. Also look to see if there are any young brood or eggs. Once a colony get the swarm urge they will stop feeding the queen and she will consequently stop laying. The absence of new eggs and larva but lots of capped brood with a queen present is usually a good indication of swarm preparation. The presence of swarm cells is actually a pretty late indicator. Once they start building those swarm cells the hive is a good as swarmed. You might pick up a later edition of the book "The Hive and the Honey Bee", and read the section on bee behavior. In my experience, swarm prevention is one of the hardest things to do in beekeeping. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Pavel314 wrote: > > We just bought our first two hives a couple weeks ago. One was much more > vigorous and populated than the other. When I came home from work yesterday, > my wife said that she thought the vigorous colony was thinking of swarming. > There were two clumps of 30-50 bees at the entrance to the hive and the > clumps were growing up the front wall. > > Fortunately, the supplies we had ordered had just arrived, so we tacked > together a new deep hive box and filled it with frames. We went out after > dark; the bee clumps were bigger than before. We removed the super and queen > extruder, placed the new hive on top of the old one, and put the queen > excluder and super on top of that. > > Then we smoked the clumps of bees in front of the hive. A few flew away but > most retreated back into the hive. > > I just checked this morning and there's no swarming activity at that hive. > There were a few bees flying in and out, like normal. We'll check the hive > in more detail this weekend, after they've had a chance to adapt to their > new situation. > > It seems like we did the right thing but any comments or suggestions from > more experienced beekeepers would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul Article 31968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Swarm Questions X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CD96B84.633488B6@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:16:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31968 My guess is that the hive already swarmed as they usually do so just before that first queen cell hatches. I hope that you missed at least one queen cell when you cut those out. Without any young eggs in the hive there is NO WAY the colony can make a new queen. If you don't find any new eggs in the hive within the next couple weeks you should consider ordering a new queen for the colony. A queenless colony will eventually die otherwise. It's easy to miss a queen cell in a populous colony so there is a good chance there is one still in there. In a situation like this I will cut all but one or two queen cells out so there is less chance of afterswarms. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS David Schneider wrote: > > I had a strange thing happen to my hive today and I was wondering if > anyone out there could give me a hint as to what went on. > > The person whos house my bees are at called me today at work and told > me that there was a HUGE swarm (1.5' x 3' blob) about 20' from the > entrance to my hive. He said he did not see them come out of my hive > and there were no bees overflowing out of my entrance. After hanging > out on the tree for about 30 minutes, it left. He did not see where > they went. > > When I checked after work I found a very small blob of bees in the > pallet my hive is on. I opened up the hive found it full of bees (a > sight I like to see). It did not look like any were missing. I checked > the brood chambers and found 10-15 swam cells, which I removed (I hope > this was the right thing to do). I tired to find the queen but could > not find her. There were lots of fresh eggs though. Before I left for > the evening I put out an empty super with base near by in hopes that > if a swarm does happen, they will just move right in. > > I suppose the swarm could have come from somewhere else and just moved > on but I checked the area and called the surrounding houses and did > not find anything.I had done a quick check on my hive a few days > earlier but did not look for swarm cells. There was a lot of space in > the honey super area. Is it possible that the swarm left and then came > back? Why would it do this? Is it likely to swarm again? How often > should I check the brood chamber? > > Any info or suggestions are welcome. > > - Dave Article 31969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:16:17 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.92 X-Server-Date: 8 May 2002 21:19:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31969 I don't think that anyone uses tobacco in quantities that would kill a colony of bees or injure them in anyway. Let's face the facts about smoke whether it's from tobacco or wood--they all emit some poisonous gas of some sort. There is no way to work bees without altering something...you probably kill more bees trying to get the supers back on the hives than you would smoking them with tobacco. I would like to also point out that tobacco worms eat the tobacco leaves on the plants, while it's different than smoke, it still contains nicotine which dosen't bother them. As far as strokes or lung cancer is concerned, at the end of the day they're just bees no matter how much you respect or care for them. I don't think it matters much to something that only lives a month or so. What I do: place a handful or two of cedar shavings in the smoker and light. Get the shavings burning well and fill with more cedar shavings about to the top. After puffing on it a few times to get everything burning again, place a cigar or in the case your working more than a few colonies, two cigars. Usually this tobacco smoke mingles with the other smoke making a pleasant smell that does a great job at calming the bees in any ill colony. Christopher Petree Article 31970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Questions Date: 8 May 2002 14:48:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0205081348.25ad0f55@posting.google.com> References: <3cd75f7f.2762382@news.webintellects.net> <3CD96B84.633488B6@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020894496 27143 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2002 21:48:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2002 21:48:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31970 Billy Smart wrote in message news:<3CD96B84.633488B6@boeing.com>... > My guess is that the hive already swarmed as they usually do so just > before that first queen cell hatches. I hope that you missed at least > one queen cell when you cut those out. Without any young eggs in the > hive there is NO WAY the colony can make a new queen. If you don't find > any new eggs in the hive within the next couple weeks you should > consider ordering a new queen for the colony. A queenless colony will > eventually die otherwise. It's easy to miss a queen cell in a populous > colony so there is a good chance there is one still in there. > > In a situation like this I will cut all but one or two queen cells out > so there is less chance of afterswarms. > > Regards, > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS > > > If you have a second hive then take a frame of eggs and larvae from it and put it in the hive that seems to have just swarmed, it will confirm a lack of a queen by building queen cells, and will of course give you a chance to keep the hive queen right in due course, albert Article 31971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: 8 May 2002 14:54:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0205081354.6bdcbf94@posting.google.com> References: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020894849 27320 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2002 21:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2002 21:54:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31971 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > "POTENTS" wrote in message > news:20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com... > > there are different types of tobacco, > > I use bee tobacco which seems to be harmless. > --------------------------- > > Not so sure about that! As far as I know, all tobacco contains nicotine > which is an insecticide - and bees are insects. > > MAFF (as was) used tobacco smoke as a quick knock down to test for varroa > when it first arrived in the UK, but I seem to remember rumours that it > caused considerable winter losses and the practice was discontinued. > > Anyone have more info? > > Peter Edwards When varroa was first discovered in the uk in south devon we were told that tobacco smoke would knock down the mites and that we would be able to see them. we tried it at our branch apiaries and our own individual apiaries, nothing happened in any of my hives and not much in anybody elses, it only seems to be good at knocking down braula (bee louse), i am sure somebody somewhere will disagree with that remark!! albert Article 31972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm in house Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_EwC8.7296$Sh.3331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:33:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.211.108.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1020958394 67.211.108.114 (Thu, 09 May 2002 11:33:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:33:14 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!8d670ed4!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31972 A neighbor down the street has had a swarm in her house every year for the last 4 years. Unfortunately, she says she sprays them every year and kills them but, according to her, they always come back. I told her that they aren't coming back, but that she now has a nice place for swarms to settle down since there is probably some comb and honey in there to attract cast swarms. They are entering in small gaps between a stone chimney that runs up the side of the house and the house itself. I told her to first try to seal all the gaps, but odds are there will still be some that a scout be is going to find. Is there another way to deter a swarm from setting up their new home here?? Thanks, Chris Bjelica cbjelica@gte.net Article 31973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_EwC8.7296$Sh.3331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> Subject: Re: Swarm in house Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:08:19 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.102.155 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1020967189 210.54.102.155 (Fri, 10 May 2002 05:59:49 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 05:59:49 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31973 "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:_EwC8.7296$Sh.3331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... Hi Chris, Bee swarms is what I do for a living. I am a Bee Keeper from New Zealand and most of my 480 hives have been taken from the walls of houses, that is how I earn a living. The leftovers from the wax/honey and dead Bees will smell really bad and in most cases the honey will rot and stain the inside wall of the house yellow/Green. It would appear that Bees searching for a new abode, are attracted by the smell and that is why they keep coming back time and time again. The queen Bee emits a really strong pheromone that attracts Bees from quite a distance and that can remain for months. Last year I had two swarms of Bees in the locker of a kitchen cabinet at a bowling club, the second swarm arrived two days after I removed the first. The only sure way that I know of stopping a return is to clear out all the old comb, the honey and the dead Bees by removing the internal plaster board and manually scraping it all out and then washing it with Creosote. In most cases the old hive will die off, if left alone because of verroa mite infection. The verroa is so common that hives that are not treated will simply die off. All the best Dave Andrews Article 31974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CDABF35.15E115CC@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:25:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31974 Group, I've noticed two of my hives have thrown around a dozen dead pupa out the front of the hive. They don't do this every day, just every now and then. They appear to be drone pupa. On ispection all appears normal in these colonies. Anyone know why they would do this? Is this indicitave of some problem? Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Swarm in house X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CDAC328.5D11DB8C@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <_EwC8.7296$Sh.3331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:42:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31975 An additional suggestion is to fill the void with some of that foam insulation stuff. Billy Smart Rock, KS Dave Andrews wrote: > > "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message > news:_EwC8.7296$Sh.3331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... > > Hi Chris, > Bee swarms is what I do for a living. > I am a Bee Keeper from New Zealand and most of my 480 hives have been taken > from the walls of houses, that is how I earn a living. > The leftovers from the wax/honey and dead Bees will smell really bad and > in most cases the honey will rot and stain the inside wall of the house > yellow/Green. > It would appear that Bees searching for a new abode, are attracted by the > smell and that is why they keep coming back time and time again. The queen > Bee emits a really strong pheromone that attracts Bees from quite a distance > and that can remain for months. > Last year I had two swarms of Bees in the locker of a kitchen cabinet > at a bowling club, the second swarm arrived two days after I removed the > first. > The only sure way that I know of stopping a return is to clear out all > the old comb, the honey and the dead Bees by removing the internal plaster > board and manually scraping it all out and then washing it with Creosote. > In most cases the old hive will die off, if left alone because of verroa > mite infection. The verroa is so common that hives that are not treated > will simply die off. > > All the best > Dave Andrews Article 31976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:59:52 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3CDABF35.15E115CC@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-72-249.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: pegasus.tiscalinet.it 1020977884 1199 62.11.72.249 (9 May 2002 20:58:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2002 20:58:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31976 Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance = deads bees, good fortune "Billy Smart" ha scritto nel messaggio news:3CDABF35.15E115CC@boeing.com... > Group, > > I've noticed two of my hives have thrown around a dozen dead pupa out > the front of the hive. They don't do this every day, just every now and > then. They appear to be drone pupa. On ispection all appears normal in > these colonies. Anyone know why they would do this? Is this indicitave > of some problem? > > Regards, > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 31977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen aceptance? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:45:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1020980754 207.179.133.165 (Thu, 09 May 2002 18:45:54 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 18:45:54 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31977 What happens to the queen when she is not acepted by the coloniy? I have an obsevation Hive, I put a new queen in with a couple of frames of bees and brood. When they ate thourgh the bee candy and freed the queen, they swamed all over her and appeared to squish her to death. It that because she was not accepted or was there some other reason? Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "bob janney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Auto Bottler question Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:48:14 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: Reply-To: "bob janney" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b9.8a.9b X-Server-Date: 9 May 2002 21:50:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31978 Has anyone had experience with the Nassenhieder or Dana Apimatic Bottlers ( good or bad) as well as any suggestions. Article 31979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil Tx for varroa Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 23:35:07 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <77108537.0205071658.337c9614@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-7-p20.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31979 no but someone posted a paraffin pattie job about 2 months ago and I would like to get the recipe. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "elaine" a écrit dans le message de news: 77108537.0205071658.337c9614@posting.google.com... > I have attempted to use mineral oil coated wax paper strips between > brood frames as outlined in an experiment by "Pedro Rodriguez" which I > found at the apiservices web site. I am going into the fourth week. > Today I examined about 30 capped brood a mix of drones and worker > cells and found about the same number of active varroa mites inside > the cells. This doesn't look very good to me. I can still probably > treat with formic acid in time to miss the main honey flow in July. > Has anyone else tried mineral oil as an alternative treatment? Article 31980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic acid: Drip vs. spray vs. vapor Date: 9 May 2002 17:48:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1020991685 2132 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2002 00:48:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2002 00:48:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31980 I've been doing a little reading on the web about oxalic acid treatment (for varroa). Most articles seem to suggest the drip treatment (drizzling a syrup/ acid solution between frames). The spray treatment sounds like lots of work because each frame must be lifted to spray. There is a dealer in Canada selling a vaporizer (http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/), but I haven't found any articles suggesting this method of treatment. Has anybody used one of these, and how does it compare with the drip treatment? Thanks, Nuc Article 31981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Zman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Dog? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 01:33:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1020994384 67.227.219.205 (Thu, 09 May 2002 18:33:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 18:33:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31981 I was wondering,, I have about 1/3 of an acre and in the middle is a big apple treee... I was thinking about putting 2-3 hives atthe bottom of the tree dfacing differnt directions... on the right side of the tree about 10 -15' is a wood fence ( 6-7') but we have a very active dog... would she bother the hives or knock them over? should I put the hives in a pen or something? I was thinking out putting some cement stpping stones on the ground and setting th bottom boars on them to keep the bottom board from rotting? how safe is that? it gets down to high 40's low 50's durring the winters. very rarely does it snow and when it does its gone the next day... once in a great wile do we get a good snow thats around 2-3 days.... Article 31982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Dog? Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:14:54 -0400 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020996896 18627957 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31982 Only once. "Zman" wrote ... > we have a very active dog... would she > bother the hives or knock them over Article 31983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid: Drip vs. spray vs. vapor Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 05:49:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1021009748 24.64.223.206 (Thu, 09 May 2002 23:49:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:49:08 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31983 I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the mites cannot get resistant. I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. I have quite a lot of information regarding the control of the Varroa Mite using Oxalic acid, but as I'm not a native English speaker, it's difficult for me to translate so many pages. If you are able to read German, you can go to the this website http://www.mellifera.de/oxneu.htm where you will find the latest news and test results. "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com... > I've been doing a little reading on the web about oxalic acid > treatment (for varroa). Most articles seem to suggest the drip > treatment (drizzling a syrup/ acid solution between frames). The > spray treatment sounds like lots of work because each frame must be > lifted to spray. There is a dealer in Canada selling a vaporizer > (http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/), but I haven't found any > articles suggesting this method of treatment. Has anybody used one of > these, and how does it compare with the drip treatment? > > Thanks, > Nuc Article 31984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Zman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipmnt Wanted.... Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:59:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021017571 67.227.212.183 (Fri, 10 May 2002 00:59:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:59:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31984 Hello... I am looking for some used equipment to get me started. I need a bee suit gloves hat and a vail.... I am a skinny guy.... 5'5" and I wear a size 33-34 jeans.... If you have extra equipment a newbie might need or want at a good price let me know.... Im going to buy the first hive and build the others from its dementions.... Im not sure what kind of frames to get yet but still researching that out. ive seen plastic ones but was told that the bees will chew on them.... I tried to search ebay for stuff but was not very pleased as all my searches ended up with 2-3000 items not related to what I want... i.e bee cookie jars and such.... If anyone knows a good site that people list equipment and suplies for sale or auction let me know.... If there is not one I wonder if I should start one? Article 31985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Equipmnt Wanted.... Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:13:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021018403 67.227.212.183 (Fri, 10 May 2002 01:13:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 01:13:23 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31985 forgot about the repy to address..... wuffman@earthlink.net Zman wrote in message news:D5LC8.304$Nt3.33081@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hello... I am looking for some used equipment to get me started. I need a > bee suit gloves hat and a vail.... I am a skinny guy.... 5'5" and I wear a > size 33-34 jeans.... If you have extra equipment a newbie might need or want > at a good price let me know.... Im going to buy the first hive and build > the others from its dementions.... Im not sure what kind of frames to get > yet but still researching that out. ive seen plastic ones but was told that > the bees will chew on them.... > > I tried to search ebay for stuff but was not very pleased as all my searches > ended up with 2-3000 items not related to what I want... i.e bee cookie jars > and such.... > > If anyone knows a good site that people list equipment and suplies for sale > or auction let me know.... If there is not one I wonder if I should start > one? > > > > > Article 31986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: The Dog? Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:59:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021024791 142.166.239.21 (Fri, 10 May 2002 06:59:51 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:59:51 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31986 I have 9 hives and 2 Damations, They don't bother each other in anyway. If the dogs see a bee flying around the yard they might try to catch it as they would a fly. As far as the hives are concerned, the dog will watch them but never touch them. The bees have no interest in the dogs at all. We get enough snow up hear to nearly cover the hives and they do just fine over the winter. I just have the hives sitting on old palets.... Hope this helps.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Zman" wrote in message news:krFC8.2161$9a.142279@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was wondering,, I have about 1/3 of an acre and in the middle is a big > apple treee... I was thinking about putting 2-3 hives atthe bottom of the > tree dfacing differnt directions... on the right side of the tree about > 10 -15' is a wood fence ( 6-7') but we have a very active dog... would she > bother the hives or knock them over? should I put the hives in a pen or > something? I was thinking out putting some cement stpping stones on the > ground and setting th bottom boars on them to keep the bottom board from > rotting? how safe is that? it gets down to high 40's low 50's durring the > winters. very rarely does it snow and when it does its gone the next day... > once in a great wile do we get a good snow thats around 2-3 days.... > > Article 31987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco Kills Mites? Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:33:16 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com> <4169b71c.0205081354.6bdcbf94@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p96.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1021025467 3097 203.96.192.224 (10 May 2002 10:11:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2002 10:11:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31987 Rather than smoking with Tobacco, what about just putting fresh tobacco leaves in the hives, on the top bars. Any debris or foliage that gets into a hive is chewed to manageable sizes and removed by the bees. Theoretically if the bees are chewing thru the leaves and then carry them thru the hive for removal, then the ingredients contained in the leaves would contact the bees bodies and hive equipment, which would then come into contact with the varroa and hopefully do the damage Regards Carmen albert cannon wrote in message news:4169b71c.0205081354.6bdcbf94@posting.google.com... > "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > > "POTENTS" wrote in message > > news:20020507083127.22580.00008348@mb-fg.aol.com... > > > there are different types of tobacco, > > > I use bee tobacco which seems to be harmless. > > --------------------------- > > > > Not so sure about that! As far as I know, all tobacco contains nicotine > > which is an insecticide - and bees are insects. > > > > MAFF (as was) used tobacco smoke as a quick knock down to test for varroa > > when it first arrived in the UK, but I seem to remember rumours that it > > caused considerable winter losses and the practice was discontinued. > > > > Anyone have more info? > > > > Peter Edwards > > When varroa was first discovered in the uk in south devon we were told > that tobacco smoke would knock down the mites and that we would be > able to see them. we tried it at our branch apiaries and our own > individual apiaries, nothing happened in any of my hives and not much > in anybody elses, it only seems to be good at knocking down braula > (bee louse), i am sure somebody somewhere will disagree with that > remark!! > albert Article 31988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid: Drip vs. spray vs. vapor Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:06:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3cdba978.648653871@news1.radix.net> References: <9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31988 Where does one buy oxalic acid here in the US. beekeep On Fri, 10 May 2002 05:49:08 GMT, "Beeguy" wrote: >I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, >their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites >without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the >mites cannot get resistant. >I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 >beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. >I have quite a lot of information regarding the control of the Varroa Mite >using Oxalic acid, but as I'm not a native English speaker, it's difficult >for me to translate so many pages. > >If you are able to read German, you can go to the this website >http://www.mellifera.de/oxneu.htm where you will find the latest news and >test results. > >"Nuc Skep" wrote in message >news:9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com... >> I've been doing a little reading on the web about oxalic acid >> treatment (for varroa). Most articles seem to suggest the drip >> treatment (drizzling a syrup/ acid solution between frames). The >> spray treatment sounds like lots of work because each frame must be >> lifted to spray. There is a dealer in Canada selling a vaporizer >> (http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/), but I haven't found any >> articles suggesting this method of treatment. Has anybody used one of >> these, and how does it compare with the drip treatment? >> >> Thanks, >> Nuc > > Article 31989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Dog? Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:09:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3cdba9e5.648762911@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31989 On Fri, 10 May 2002 01:33:04 GMT, "Zman" wrote: >I was wondering,, I have about 1/3 of an acre and in the middle is a big >apple treee... I was thinking about putting 2-3 hives atthe bottom of the >tree dfacing differnt directions... on the right side of the tree about >10 -15' is a wood fence ( 6-7') but we have a very active dog... would she >bother the hives or knock them over? should I put the hives in a pen or >something? I was thinking out putting some cement stpping stones on the >ground and setting th bottom boars on them to keep the bottom board from >rotting? how safe is that? it gets down to high 40's low 50's durring the >winters. very rarely does it snow and when it does its gone the next day... >once in a great wile do we get a good snow thats around 2-3 days.... > > It shouldn't be a problem. My Jack Russell goes to all the bee yards with me. He hides under the truck as soon as I light the smoker. The bees will teach the dog very quickly where the line of demarkation is. beekeep Article 31990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen aceptance? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:22:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1021033365 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 10 May 2002 08:22:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:22:45 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31990 Hi Ken, "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:m6CC8.19112$cT2.1449081@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > What happens to the queen when she is not acepted by the coloniy? > > I have an obsevation Hive, I put a new queen in with a couple of frames of > bees and brood. > > When they ate thourgh the bee candy and freed the queen, they swamed all > over her and appeared to squish her to death. > > It that because she was not accepted or was there some other reason? She was not accepted. Article 31991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bee question Lines: 26 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:51:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.39.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1021042278 68.65.39.41 (Fri, 10 May 2002 10:51:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:51:18 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31991 I finally got around to inspecting the 2 hives we lost early this year. I have assumed that a cold snap got them (they got sucker into believing it was spring by 70+ temps and then wham, along comes sub-freezing for a week or so). Any way, there was something strange on the bottom board inside one of the hives and I wondered if anyone knows what they are. I also wondered if there were any disturbing things visible in the pics I took. You can see the pics at http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws/bees (click the pics for the full size version and if you have IE 6 you might have to coax it to not shrink to fit the screen) and tell me what you think. Thank you. -- ================ Scott & Linda Mattes Linda@TheMattesFamily.ws Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws ScottAndLinda@TheMattesFamily.ws http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws Article 31992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: dead bee question Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:43:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1021059818 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 10 May 2002 13:43:38 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:43:38 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31992 I think your right; a cold snap got your bees and the name is "Varroa Mite". There is no brood, not even a hand full of bees in your hive. Control your other hives before it's to late. If you have no idea how the Varroa looks like, go to www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln "Scott Mattes" wrote in message news:G7RC8.3309$Ok3.2105096@news1.news.adelphia.net... > I finally got around to inspecting the 2 hives we lost early this year. I > have assumed that a cold snap got them (they got sucker into believing it > was spring by 70+ temps and then wham, along comes sub-freezing for a week > or so). > > Any way, there was something strange on the bottom board inside one of the > hives and I wondered if anyone knows what they are. I also wondered if there > were any disturbing things visible in the pics I took. > > You can see the pics at http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws/bees (click the pics > for the full size version and if you have IE 6 you might have to coax it to > not shrink to fit the screen) and tell me what you think. > > Thank you. > > -- > ================ > Scott & Linda Mattes > > Linda@TheMattesFamily.ws > Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws > ScottAndLinda@TheMattesFamily.ws > > http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws > > Article 31993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen acceptance update Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:27:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021066034 207.179.148.193 (Fri, 10 May 2002 18:27:14 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:27:14 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31993 The new queen in my observation hive is still alive 24 hours after getting released from the cage. The girls are still swarming her and look like there are trying to squash her, but she fights her way out after a while and goes about her business, then shortly there after she get swamed again. I wonder if they will eventually give her a break and let her lay eggs? Or will they eventually kill her? Would it have something to do with the fact that there is still uncapped brood from the last queen in in open cells? Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid: Drip vs. spray vs. vapor Date: 10 May 2002 15:19:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0205101419.357e4b68@posting.google.com> References: <9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com> <3cdba978.648653871@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021069155 1056 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2002 22:19:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2002 22:19:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31994 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3cdba978.648653871@news1.radix.net>... > Where does one buy oxalic acid here in the US. > > beekeep I haven't bought any yet, but here's a few web sites to look at: http://www.chemistrystore.com/oxalic_acid.htm http://www.rymarindustries.com/new.html http://www.wolman.com/faqs.asp?faq_id=30 I've been told to also look in auto parts stores for oxalic acid radiator cleaner (crystal form). As you see from a couple of the above sites, it's also used as a wood cleaner/ rust stain remover. Nuc. Article 31995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid: Drip vs. spray vs. vapor Date: 10 May 2002 15:43:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 43 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0205101443.73df679@posting.google.com> References: <9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com> <3cdba978.648653871@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021070638 1607 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2002 22:43:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2002 22:43:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31995 I got it at the local lumber yard it is sold as wood bleach. Just be sure that it only contains oxalic acid. Ray Morgan honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3cdba978.648653871@news1.radix.net>... > Where does one buy oxalic acid here in the US. > > beekeep > > On Fri, 10 May 2002 05:49:08 GMT, "Beeguy" > wrote: > > >I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, > >their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites > >without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the > >mites cannot get resistant. > >I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 > >beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. > >I have quite a lot of information regarding the control of the Varroa Mite > >using Oxalic acid, but as I'm not a native English speaker, it's difficult > >for me to translate so many pages. > > > >If you are able to read German, you can go to the this website > >http://www.mellifera.de/oxneu.htm where you will find the latest news and > >test results. > > > >"Nuc Skep" wrote in message > >news:9936fa52.0205091648.8dca5a2@posting.google.com... > >> I've been doing a little reading on the web about oxalic acid > >> treatment (for varroa). Most articles seem to suggest the drip > >> treatment (drizzling a syrup/ acid solution between frames). The > >> spray treatment sounds like lots of work because each frame must be > >> lifted to spray. There is a dealer in Canada selling a vaporizer > >> (http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/), but I haven't found any > >> articles suggesting this method of treatment. Has anybody used one of > >> these, and how does it compare with the drip treatment? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Nuc > > > > Article 31996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid - How to use? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:09:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021072161 198.164.250.25 (Fri, 10 May 2002 20:09:21 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:09:21 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31996 How do you use the Oxalic Acid? When Dripping or spraying; what concentration should be used? Or how is it diluted? Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid - How to use? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <1W0D8.57281$GG6.4592398@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 04:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1021090557 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 10 May 2002 22:15:57 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:15:57 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31997 Hi Ken, you shouldn't spray the Oxalic Acid, use your vaporizer and blow the fine aerosol in the hives. With this form of treatment I will never kill a queen and all the mites. If you like to use the liquid form, be careful with the concentration. You must spay each frame from both sides to reach the same result as you get with your vaporizer and it can cost you lots of bees and with bad luck, the queen also. You need lots of time, at least 30 minutes per hive, working with your vaporizer only 2 or 3 minutes. Manfred "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:BqYC8.19449$cT2.1526696@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > How do you use the Oxalic Acid? > > When Dripping or spraying; what concentration should be used? Or how is it > diluted? Ken... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 31998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Brian Edward Lynam" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEWBIE READING LIST Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:58:12 +1000 Organization: AustarNet (www.austarnet.com.au) Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-180.186.220.203.acc01-nick-kwt.comindico.com.au X-Trace: austar-news.austar.net.au 1021100834 48869 203.220.186.180 (11 May 2002 07:07:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@austarnet.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:07:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!austar-news.austar.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31998 SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE A BOOK CALLED "PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING" BY RAY CHAPMAN-TAYLOR AND IVO DAVIEY A FEW YEARS AGO I BOUGHT IT FOR $26 AUST GOOD LUCK. Article 31999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "bob janney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Auto Bottler question Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 05:49:01 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "bob janney" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b9.8f.a7 X-Server-Date: 11 May 2002 09:51:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31999 "bob janney" wrote in message news:abeqvj$hb4$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net... > Has anyone had experience with the Nassenhieder or Dana Apimatic Bottlers > ( good or bad) as well as any suggestions. > > Article 32000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bugsyrt@aol.com (David Hatch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen introduction question... Date: 11 May 2002 06:01:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.97.65.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021122111 17600 127.0.0.1 (11 May 2002 13:01:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2002 13:01:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32000 Hello all! I am starting five hives from nucs and have a question or two for the group... I set up the nucs in hives on wednesday morning and went back yesterday to check on them, here is what happened... in hive #1 I found the queen still in her cage and the candy was mostly chewed through so I released her and she seemed happy to finally stretch her legs running around the other bees seemed to move out of her way and all seemed well so I closed up the hive. The same thing happened in Hive #2 In hive #3 the queen cage had a few workers and I located the queen on a frame seeming to be about her business at hand. Here is where the problems start, In hive #4 the cage was empty and I searched all over the frames twice looking for the queen when I noticed a small glob of bees in the corner of the bottom of the hive I am not sure but I believe the queen was in with them :-( In Hive #5 the queen was in her cage so I released her, as soon as she hit the frame I could hear a rapid very high pitched keening buzz that I swear came from the queen it was very loud and the bees around her did not look to happy to see her. My questions- 1: are the queens in 4&5 a loss and if so how long should I wait to be sure and to order a new queen? the frames have a lot of brood but it is all capped. 2: What are the chances that there might have been a virgin queen in hive #5 there were what appeared to be some old swarm cells on the frames I thought if there were and the introduced queen was aware of it she may have been issuing a challenge and the bees around her may have thought they were queenright and she was a strange queen. 3: what are the chances the queen in #4 had fallen off a frame and the other bees were assisting and not trying drive her off/kill her after all they did release her before I arrived. Thanks for all your help/advice in advance! David Article 32001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen introduction question... Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:29:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021123787 207.179.148.96 (Sat, 11 May 2002 10:29:47 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:29:47 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32001 I am not a pro so take this for what it is worth. I have read in a book that the queen only makes that sound when there is another queen present. If that is the case with you hive 5 then one of the two will be the survivor. In the hive with the unfound queen, it is possible that they are treating her the same way they are treating the new queen in my observation hive. They swarm all over her like they are trying to kill her, but after a while she crawls out from under the pile and walks away unharmed. I don't know why they are doing that, but she seem no worse for the mauling. They have been doing that for 2 days now and she is still strong enough to get free. I think eventually they will accept her and let her get down to business. The other thing I have read in regards to the hive number 5 is that if the old queen is still in the hive and dead, it will still cause the hive to act like they have a riegning queen because they can still smell her. So, I think that if you have a dead queen she should be removed. I split one of my hives into 3 a few weeks ago and their population has been dropping steadily ever since. I am not worried about them as I suspect that the new queens brood will take 3 weeks to hatch and then the build up will start with earnest..... It is fun to learn this craft as you go, I think it will take a few years before I am comfortable with it, But I think that letting them alone and let them sort them selves out is a had thing to learn, I keep wanting to intervine to help them, but I know they are fighting for survival and will get them selves on the right track soon enough. I love these little darlings and find it a complete joy to tend to them.... Ken....... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "David Hatch" wrote in message news:ef3c88cd.0205110501.6747a93f@posting.google.com... > Hello all! > I am starting five hives from nucs and have a question or two for > the group... > I set up the nucs in hives on wednesday morning and went back > yesterday to check on them, here is what happened... in hive #1 I > found the queen still in her cage and the candy was mostly chewed > through so I released her and she seemed happy to finally stretch her > legs running around the other bees seemed to move out of her way and > all seemed well so I closed up the hive. The same thing happened in > Hive #2 In hive #3 the queen cage had a few workers and I located the > queen on a frame seeming to be about her business at hand. Here is > where the problems start, In hive #4 the cage was empty and I searched > all over the frames twice looking for the queen when I noticed a small > glob of bees in the corner of the bottom of the hive I am not sure but > I believe the queen was in with them :-( In Hive #5 the queen was in > her cage so I released her, as soon as she hit the frame I could hear > a rapid very high pitched keening buzz that I swear came from the > queen it was very loud and the bees around her did not look to happy > to see her. > > My questions- > > 1: are the queens in 4&5 a loss and if so how long should I wait to be > sure and to order a new queen? the frames have a lot of brood but it > is all capped. > > 2: What are the chances that there might have been a virgin queen in > hive #5 there were what appeared to be some old swarm cells on the > frames I thought if there were and the introduced queen was aware of > it she may have been issuing a challenge and the bees around her may > have thought they were queenright and she was a strange queen. > > 3: what are the chances the queen in #4 had fallen off a frame and the > other bees were assisting and not trying drive her off/kill her after > all they did release her before I arrived. > > Thanks for all your help/advice in advance! David Article 32002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: The Dog? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:35:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021134924 24.31.219.77 (Sat, 11 May 2002 12:35:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:35:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32002 "Zman" wrote >we have a very active dog... would she > bother the hives or knock them over? Dogs learn quickly what bees are and avoid directly bothering them. On the other hand, my dog, Missy, goes with me to the bees all the time. She's pretty casual about walking around, and pays no attention to them, until one gets on her, then she goes under the truck to stay until I'm finished. Here's a photo of her: http://www.pollinator.com/gallery/beekeepersdog.htm I saw her lip swollen once time and was going to take her picture then. But a few minutes later, when I got out the camera, the swelling had gone down. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: The Dog? Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021138231 142.166.250.74 (Sat, 11 May 2002 14:30:31 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:30:31 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32003 Dave, that is one classy web site you have there. The photos are incredable. Thank-you for doing that for us..... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Dave Green" wrote in message news:gLbD8.64822$gd5.26328792@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Zman" wrote > > >we have a very active dog... would she > > bother the hives or knock them over? > > Dogs learn quickly what bees are and avoid directly bothering them. On > the other hand, my dog, Missy, goes with me to the bees all the time. She's > pretty casual about walking around, and pays no attention to them, until one > gets on her, then she goes under the truck to stay until I'm finished. > > Here's a photo of her: > http://www.pollinator.com/gallery/beekeepersdog.htm > > I saw her lip swollen once time and was going to take her picture then. > But a few minutes later, when I got out the camera, the swelling had gone > down. > > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > Article 32004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: The Dog? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:53:48 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.67.206 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021157365 210.54.67.206 (Sun, 12 May 2002 10:49:25 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:49:25 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32004 Dave, just managed to surf your web site, it's brilliant. All the best Dave Andrews Article 32005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: islandat320@peoplepc.com (Joe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pkg. bees still available?? Date: 12 May 2002 04:05:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.214.91.214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021201506 10305 127.0.0.1 (12 May 2002 11:05:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2002 11:05:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32005 Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, or is it a fat chance, this late... I'm in MA. thanks! Article 32006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: 12 May 2002 08:45:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1021207365 3929 166.84.1.2 (12 May 2002 12:42:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32006 In article , Greg Hupf wrote: >The author implies that the best an individual can do evolutionarily is to >pass down as much of its own genetic material as possible. This assertion >is at odds with the empirical evidence that sexual reproduction is common >throughout life. Bob Pursley was correct in qualifying his answer to the >thread. Materializing from the bee yard for this thread... Hymenopteras insects (bees/wasps/ants) and their haplo-diploidal reproductive system make for some interesting selectional theorization. Insects, and more acutely, hymenopterous ones that are haplo-diploid, aren't really comparable to "reproduction" a Mammal performs. Mendelian genetics, in the Fischerian sense of normal distribution for bi-allelic traits and honey bees, isn't appropriate. Here's the question I always ask: Which was first, the queen or the workers? From there, you can go most anywhere. Check out this article: http://www.nature.com/nsu/020422/020422-16.html# With honey bees, one looks at the level where the selection is taking place and then one frames the theory: Is the reproductive unit the individual worker bee as the original poster asked? Probably not, since the eusocial system these animals reproduce in isn't like a normal breeding population and the honey bee worker isn't really a normal breeding unit (isn't panmictic) (fun word). So one may theorize, as many have, that since the actual bee isn't struggling for reproduction in a naturally selective sense, it is "helping" kin (queen) and thus is "struggling" for fitness in a naturally selective sense. This is the kin selection argument for eusocial insects. To date, nobody has shown that worker honey bees will select their closely related kin over less closely related others in making new queens. See article by Breed, et al. late 90's. What then? Who knows? Probably _several_ systems defined or described within evolutionary biology work together within honey bees. This makes them very very hard to describe in our traditional Mammalian, bi-allelic (dominant/recessive) theoretical framework. I do so enjoy the question: "Who was first, queen or worker?" when looking at colonies that have opening queen cells, after the main swarm has left. There is stuff happening in that hive we really do not know much about. Don't you find that amazing? I certainly do! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 32007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Pkg. bees still available?? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:43:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021210984 207.179.148.23 (Sun, 12 May 2002 10:43:04 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:43:04 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32007 I am getting 5 nukes deliver on Wed here in New Brunswick Canada, I assume they are coming from a local producer, but I don't know who that would be. I am getting them through our local Bee Association. If you want to check the number is 1-505-357-5444 ask for Ruth she will know for sure. Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Joe" wrote in message news:f11c398c.0205120305.55eb9997@posting.google.com... > Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, > or is it a fat chance, this late... > > I'm in MA. > > thanks! Article 32008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Pkg. bees still available?? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%FuD8.60302$YQ1.28255914@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:06:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021212411 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 12 May 2002 10:06:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:06:51 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32008 "Joe" wrote > Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, > or is it a fat chance, this late... I'm sure they are still available in the southeast, but you'd have to come and get them. You'd likely have a better chance to contact someone nearby who already has made the trip and may have a few extras. And you'd be wise to start with nucs rather than packages, this late. A good nuc ought to have three frames of brood established, giving you new bees emerging to work every day. A package will be a couple weeks before new workers emerge, and it will go downhill until then. I know Chuck Kutik still had some nucs last week http://www.kutikshoney.com/ He's in eastern NY. I would expect Betterbee, near Albany, would have either nucs or packages. Ph: 518-692-9669 You can check the buy sell board at the pollination page below. Also check for pollinator beekeepers in your area. Many commercial beekeepers sell nucs to hobbyists on a regular basis. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: NEWBIE READING LIST Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:12:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021212771 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 12 May 2002 10:12:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:12:51 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32009 One of the most fascinating beekeeping books I ever read was "Bees Are My Business" by Harry Whitcomb. It tells his life story in beekeeping, the beginnings of the pollination business in California, and the pesticide battles he had when aerial application became commonplace. It's long out of print, but there are used copies circulating around. I bought one recently for $6 plus a couple bucks shipping. Run a Google search for used book dealers, then for the title and author. Ain't Google wonderful! http://www.google.com "Brian Edward Lynam" wrote > SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE A BOOK CALLED > "PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING" > BY RAY CHAPMAN-TAYLOR AND IVO DAVIEY > A FEW YEARS AGO I BOUGHT IT FOR $26 AUST > GOOD LUCK. Article 32010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: vtuck@aol.com (VTuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 May 2002 20:49:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Near Austin Tex bee keepers? Message-ID: <20020512164932.22547.00008863@mb-cv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32010 Am 82 yrs..building log home in woods near Bastrop....new to but want some bees...any equippment for sale? Stop by for coon a-- coffee.also want some Pigeons, guineas, ducks... VT. Article 32011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Siting of UK hives Date: 12 May 2002 14:59:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <700de225.0205121359.3d50d4a4@posting.google.com> References: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.27.142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021240787 23109 127.0.0.1 (12 May 2002 21:59:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2002 21:59:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32011 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > No specific laws on bees that I know of, but the laws on nuisance can be > wide ranging. > > Screens can be made in a number of ways: > Plastic windbreak material > Permanent hedges > Seasonal crops, e.g. runner beans. > > The idea is to get the bees above head level before they reach the boundary > of your land. It is also useful to involve your neighbours at an early > stage and manipulate your bees at a time when they are not all sunbathing in > their gardens. Free honey can make neighbours much more interested in your > activities and amenable to co-operating with you. > > If they have children, get them on your side - if not in examining hives, > then in the extraction process. Give talks at their school. > > Peter Edwards I'm not totally convinced about this idea of screens - I'm sure the theory is OK and possibly for part of the time it may work, but my experience is that if something/somebody within reasonable range of the hive (reasonable could be 30yds) doesn't smell nice and the bees are feeling stroppy, then there's likely to be an attack. Steven doesn't say whether he has bees already or not, but if he has he will know that if its thundery for example and he's sweating a bit, then he'll get buzzed and if he doesn't move,there's likely to be pain. I would suggest that a 30 - 40 yd buffer zone is the best idea. And if they are likely to get upset when you're woking them, then incease that to 100 yds. Rob Edinbugh, Scotland > "Steven Newport" wrote in message > news:387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com... > > Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? > > > > Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden > > less of s nuisance? (screens etc) > > > > Many thanks > > Steve Newport Article 32012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two questions: (1) Cigars and (2) Extra Supers Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:40:17 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-205.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32012 I have two questions which have been on my mind recently. 1. I have two new hives (Buckfast variety) and they are now about 4-5 weeks old. I tried using a regular smoker but find it a pain to keep lit. If I am REALLY diligent I can keep it going but it seems a pain. I occasionally smoke cigars (maybe once a month, maybe) and wondered if anyone has used a cigar as the "smoke source" rather than the smoker contraption. It seems like an easy way to deal with supplying them with smoke and remain lit. Any experiences with cigars and bees? Good? Bad? (other than to me that is) Opinions? 2. As I stated above my two new hives (I'm new at this too) are fairly new. Currently they are within one brood super (per hive) with reinforced foundation. They seem to be creating comb and storing feeder syrup and pollen at a fast rate (maybe 1/3 to 1/2 filled already.) Is there any disadvantage to adding supers now? Even if they haven't filled what they have now? What are the problems with adding supers too early? Patrick Dugan Article 32013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Bee Keepers Near Salem Oregon USA Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:18:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021249136 67.227.197.229 (Sun, 12 May 2002 17:18:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:18:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32013 I was wondering if there are any other Keepsers around here that is willing to give some local advise to a BEEginer.... Brian Article 32014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: NEWBIE READING LIST Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:20:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021249214 67.227.197.229 (Sun, 12 May 2002 17:20:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:20:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32014 Has anyone bought or read Beekeeping for Dummies? I wonder if its a good investment for me... ( I admit I have several of the IDG's dummy books.... :o) ) Brian Edward Lynam wrote in message news:abifv1$1fn5$1@austar-news.austar.net.au... > SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE A BOOK CALLED > "PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING" > BY RAY CHAPMAN-TAYLOR AND IVO DAVIEY > A FEW YEARS AGO I BOUGHT IT FOR $26 AUST > GOOD LUCK. > > > Article 32015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite resistance and screaned bottom boards Date: 12 May 2002 17:39:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021250363 26312 127.0.0.1 (13 May 2002 00:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2002 00:39:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32015 I have made some screaned bottom boards for some of my hives this winter. I placed them before I treated with Apistan and check two hours later on my way past. On the few hives that were infected, every mite on the monitoring board was alive. When I touch them with my hive tool, they eagerly grabed ahold. I checked the infected hive the next day and the mites were dead on their mark. They did not move from their falling point at all. The internet informs me that fluvalinate may drop the mites and to which reinfect bees up to ten times before dieing from dehydration/starvation. In my opinion, it is better if the mite only has one exposure to the chemical. Maybe it is on the ninth or tenth time of chemical exposure when the mite builds a tolerance to the treatment and does not fall. At least the screaned bottom board allows me to monitor my hives for mites, and to the degree of mite infestivity. That alone makes it worth the bother and expense. Ian Article 32016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: NEWBIE READING LIST Lines: 28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <%UED8.167350$N8.14943191@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:45:31 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-B8ODoC8+pKvCVMXPrrc87m9SfBJvlbvjRHL8EBxuU5UfvgD+5+0um+hJiSKwPcVUR9V1g1p0izR46NW!ClKchQw4sbzPr0a0mTPa2D/hhl3KT1uJ1zouvKp9+75ZF9/sMjQ3ZqRbIL9K/MP8rsQWNPmYDRv5!pLYlW8ISC+OkOqV+PP8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 01:45:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!opentransit.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32016 If you are trying to learn beekeeping, I wouldn't read anything written before 1989. The best book for beginners and is considered the beginners bible is "The Beekeeper's Handbook" Third Edition (1998) by Diana Sammataro and Alphonese Avitabile. Mark in West Texas "Wuffman" wrote in message news:2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Has anyone bought or read Beekeeping for Dummies? I wonder if its a good > investment for me... > ( I admit I have several of the IDG's dummy books.... :o) ) > > Brian Edward Lynam wrote in message > news:abifv1$1fn5$1@austar-news.austar.net.au... > > SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE A BOOK CALLED > > "PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING" > > BY RAY CHAPMAN-TAYLOR AND IVO DAVIEY > > A FEW YEARS AGO I BOUGHT IT FOR $26 AUST > > GOOD LUCK. > > > > > > > > > Article 32017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Walton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Siting of UK hives Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:47:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.182.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1021178866 62.255.182.128 (Sun, 12 May 2002 05:47:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:47:46 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32017 I haven't seen a response to this yet: I think the only constraint is that they are not a nuisance to your neighbours. If you have a large enough garden and they are screened in some way so as not to fly straight into your neighbours garden then that should be ok. A six-foot hight fence should do the trick! I would advise aagainst keeping bees in your garden if your neighbours are of a nervous disposition though. Some people can be really nurotic about bees. There is a leaflet that you can get about siting bees. Try Northern Bee Books (01422 882751) or www,beedata.com "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com... > Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? > > Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden > less of s nuisance? (screens etc) > > Many thanks > Steve Newport Article 32018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Siting of UK hives Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:08:33 +0100 Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> <700de225.0205121359.3d50d4a4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-809.sponger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1021270438 2980 62.25.219.41 (13 May 2002 06:13:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2002 06:13:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32018 Agreed that a buffer zone is a good idea, but 100yds is a bit impractical for most gardens! Perhaps the most important thing in a small garden is to make sure that you have gentle bees. In the UK we have a complete range of tempers, from those where you can kick the hive and still handle them without smoke or a veil (not recommended), to those that come to meet you (at 100yds) and follow you for at least 100yds when you have finished. It is clearly important that anyone keeping bees in an average garden with neighbours must be careful when opening hives. It is not just bad weather that upsets bees - they can be fine in thundery conditions if there is a good flow on, it is not actually raining and they are working. However, the end of a flow, e.g. from rape crops near by, can make normally good tempered colonies into fiends sometimes. It is important to be able to assess their temper very quickly and close the hives if there is a problem. Peter Edwards "Rob Graham" wrote in message news:700de225.0205121359.3d50d4a4@posting.google.com... > "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > > No specific laws on bees that I know of, but the laws on nuisance can be > > wide ranging. > > > > Screens can be made in a number of ways: > > Plastic windbreak material > > Permanent hedges > > Seasonal crops, e.g. runner beans. > > > > The idea is to get the bees above head level before they reach the boundary > > of your land. It is also useful to involve your neighbours at an early > > stage and manipulate your bees at a time when they are not all sunbathing in > > their gardens. Free honey can make neighbours much more interested in your > > activities and amenable to co-operating with you. > > > > If they have children, get them on your side - if not in examining hives, > > then in the extraction process. Give talks at their school. > > > > Peter Edwards > > > I'm not totally convinced about this idea of screens - I'm sure the > theory is OK and possibly for part of the time it may work, but my > experience is that if something/somebody within reasonable range of > the hive (reasonable could be 30yds) doesn't smell nice and the bees > are feeling stroppy, then there's likely to be an attack. Steven > doesn't say whether he has bees already or not, but if he has he will > know that if its thundery for example and he's sweating a bit, then > he'll get buzzed and if he doesn't move,there's likely to be pain. > > I would suggest that a 30 - 40 yd buffer zone is the best idea. And > if they are likely to get upset when you're woking them, then incease > that to 100 yds. > > Rob > Edinbugh, Scotland > > "Steven Newport" wrote in message > > news:387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com... > > > Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? > > > > > > Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden > > > less of s nuisance? (screens etc) > > > > > > Many thanks > > > Steve Newport Article 32019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two questions: (1) Cigars and (2) Extra Supers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-169-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1021279200 10455 213.122.169.94 (13 May 2002 08:40:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:40:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32019 What smoker fuel are you using? I started off with rolled up corrugated cardboard but after using hessian sacking I have been converted. Cooler denser smoke, easier to light and more fragrant. To keep a smoker lit, never place it on its side but keep upright unless operating the bellows. The bigger smokers are easier to use and you can also use large chunks of rotten wood in them. As for using only a cigar for smoking the bees... Do you intend to work without a veil or make a handy hole in it for the cigar. If the bees are ever really cross you will be glad for having a well lit smoker. > From: "Patrick Dugan" > Organization: netINS, Inc. > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:40:17 -0500 > Subject: Two questions: (1) Cigars and (2) Extra Supers > > I have two questions which have been on my mind recently. > > 1. I have two new hives (Buckfast variety) and they are now about 4-5 weeks > old. I tried using a regular smoker but find it a pain to keep lit. If I > am REALLY diligent I can keep it going but it seems a pain. I occasionally > smoke cigars (maybe once a month, maybe) and wondered if anyone has used a > cigar as the "smoke source" rather than the smoker contraption. It seems > like an easy way to deal with supplying them with smoke and remain lit. > Any experiences with cigars and bees? Good? Bad? (other than to me that is) > Opinions? > > > 2. As I stated above my two new hives (I'm new at this too) are fairly new. > Currently they are within one brood super (per hive) with reinforced > foundation. They seem to be creating comb and storing feeder syrup and > pollen at a fast rate (maybe 1/3 to 1/2 filled already.) Is there any > disadvantage to adding supers now? Even if they haven't filled what they > have now? What are the problems with adding supers too early? > > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two questions: (1) Cigars and (2) Extra Supers Date: 13 May 2002 07:07:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <993fd181.0205130607.9cb93f0@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021298826 11124 127.0.0.1 (13 May 2002 14:07:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2002 14:07:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32020 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... > I have two questions which have been on my mind recently. > > 1. I have two new hives (Buckfast variety) and they are now about 4-5 weeks > old. I tried using a regular smoker but find it a pain to keep lit. If I > am REALLY diligent I can keep it going but it seems a pain. I occasionally > smoke cigars (maybe once a month, maybe) and wondered if anyone has used a > cigar as the "smoke source" rather than the smoker contraption. It seems > like an easy way to deal with supplying them with smoke and remain lit. > Any experiences with cigars and bees? Good? Bad? (other than to me that is) > Opinions? Lighting,and keeping a smoker going is no big deal once you learn how.There was a recent discussion here on that subject.As for blowing cigar smoke on the bees ,I do that on occasion when checking an odd hive when I dont want to go to the trouble of putting on a veil.There is no guarantee that a bee wont fly up and sting you on the nose while doing so,however. > > 2. As I stated above my two new hives (I'm new at this too) are fairly new. > Currently they are within one brood super (per hive) with reinforced > foundation. They seem to be creating comb and storing feeder syrup and > pollen at a fast rate (maybe 1/3 to 1/2 filled already.) Is there any > disadvantage to adding supers now? Even if they haven't filled what they > have now? What are the problems with adding supers too early? If the second is put on the package hive before a substantial amount of new bees have emerged you could slow down the buildup,especially if the nights are still cold.Wait too long,and feed too much you could cause them to swarm if they get too crowded.judgement is called for and you will have to learn this by trial and error.If they seem strong and are covering 8 frames you are probably OK to add the second.If it is foundation rather than drawn comb you should keep feeding unless a strong nectarflow is coming in.Good luck with your new hives -----Mike Article 32021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: florida feral bees Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 10:01:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1021301660.345674@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32021 see "Scientific note: Observations on feral honey bees in Florida, USA" at: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/us/scientfic_note.htm "... suggests that feral honey bees in coastal regions of Florida are mongrelized populations, partially differentiated from managed colonies/common European subspecies, and possibly a unique ecotype adapted to predominantly subtropical conditions..." Article 32022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS 2002 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:25:29 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Sender: mhg3@cornell.invalid (on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 1021307130 967 128.253.66.35 (13 May 2002 16:25:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2002 16:25:30 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32022 EAS 2002 will be held at Cornell University, Ithaca NY on August 5-9. If you are not a member of EAS you have missed the first edition of information and registration forms. However, you can still see the on-line information at: http://www.eas2002.cornell.edu Hope to see you in August! Mike Griggs President EAS 2002 Article 32023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis newsletter Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:35:38 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVacg0fodpGPzqw4BuHF4Rd7sIDLn+PUj/G2zTfTOg5BjaFpP+wBzMhh X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2002 23:36:13 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32023 The May Apis newsletter is found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Apis_Newsletter/message/8 please subscribe to this new group to receive issues directly. Article 32024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: alacat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:34:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32024 Not sure what I think about this. Pentagon Training Bees To Swarm Into Action Independent (UK) | 5-14-2002 | Andrew Buncombe http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=294845 The Pentagon is preparing a sting operation with a difference – training ordinary bees to smell out explosives, drugs and even to help clear minefields. For the past three years government-funded scientists have been doing tests, training bees to detect materials other than pollen. Officials hope that they could be used as apian sniffer dogs, swarming into action when required. In two tests last year, bees were able to detect two trucks tainted with explosives. Scientists say the bees are at least as sensitive to odours as dogs. "The preliminary results have so far been very encouraging," said a spokeswoman for the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is funded by the Pentagon. The bees are trained to detect the various substances by a simple method of reward association. Scientists at the Air Force research laboratory in Texas said the bees were successful in 99 per cent of tests. "One of the methods is to associate the odour with a food source," they said. The Pentagon is considering establishing bee colonies near security checkpoints. Article 32025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> Subject: Re: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:34:11 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.35.242 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021350326 210.55.35.242 (Tue, 14 May 2002 16:25:26 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:25:26 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32025 "alacat" wrote in message news:3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net... > Not sure what I think about this. > > Pentagon Training Bees To Swarm Into Action > Independent (UK) | 5-14-2002 | Andrew Buncombe > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=294845 Well my friend I would hazard a guess that it may be true! Downunder we are nuclear free but I have heard that the "Septic tanks (Yanks)" are testing a 15 mega blip laser that can be wired onto a Bee's back. Perhaps when the swarm of trained sniffer Bee's lands, the one with the laser can destroy the target. What next perhaps jet powered Bees? Heck someone kidnapped my other half two days ago, last night they called me on the phone demanding $100,000 or they would return her! GRIN I would treat that article with a pinch of salt. Needless to say that it brought a wry smile to my face yet again. Keep happy folks Dave Andrews Article 32026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CE09497.44D59E51@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" References: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:37:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1021351182 204.2.54.208 (Tue, 14 May 2002 04:39:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 04:39:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.42.15.2!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32026 It is actually true, but it is not new, it is just new to the news services. On the upside, it might make for interesting hot knife work if the genetic memory gets into the general population. :-) JJ Dave Andrews wrote: > > "alacat" wrote in message news:3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net... > > Not sure what I think about this. > > > > Pentagon Training Bees To Swarm Into Action > > Independent (UK) | 5-14-2002 | Andrew Buncombe > > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=294845 > > Well my friend I would hazard a guess that it may be true! > Downunder we are nuclear free but I have heard that the "Septic tanks > (Yanks)" are testing a 15 mega blip laser that can be wired onto a Bee's > back. > Perhaps when the swarm of trained sniffer Bee's lands, the one with the > laser can destroy the target. > > What next perhaps jet powered Bees? > > Heck someone kidnapped my other half two days ago, last night they > called me on the phone demanding $100,000 or they would return her! > > GRIN > > I would treat that article with a pinch of salt. > Needless to say that it brought a wry smile to my face yet again. > > Keep happy folks > Dave Andrews Article 32027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 May 2002 06:04:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Any Bee Keepers Near Salem Oregon USA Message-ID: <20020514020436.02910.00011874@mb-ba.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32027 Hi. You're surrounded by beekeepers--check out Portland Beekeeper's Club, Oregon Beekeepers. You'd be welcome (numerous chapters around you). Also, this site is great for help too. Best, Buzzylee Article 32028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybees in a Mite More Than Trouble Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:35:19 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.20.27.4c X-Server-Date: 14 May 2002 12:36:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32028 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11354-2002May13.html In recent years, two tiny spider-like parasites have been weakening and killing bee populations across the United States. While the mass media have played up the threat of Africanized "killer" bees in the Southwest, the rest of the country has been losing 80 percent or more of its wild honeybee populations. At Beltsville, researchers invented a widely used wire-screen base for beehives. As the bees come in for a landing, mites fall through the mesh to the ground and cannot climb back into the bee colony as they could with the old solid bases. ....... how does this work exactly? can you place the screen at the entrance of the hive? as a kind of landing pad, or is the screen used in the floor of the hive? will metal window screen work for this? thanks, I don't yet have a beehive Article 32029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Michael Lescord" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> Subject: Re: nucs Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:25:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.50.43.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1021364728 24.50.43.61 (Tue, 14 May 2002 04:25:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 04:25:28 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32029 Julie, Simply placing the frames of brood and bees in a deep hive body with surrounding foundation, (or better - drawn comb) is the start. Make sure you feed these bees continually until they have drawn two deep supers with brood and honey. Mike Article 32030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Richards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees in a Mite More Than Trouble Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:24:39 EDT Organization: Bellsouth.Net Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!9e97b4a9!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32030 This is referring to screened bottom boards that are being widely used to monitor and control varroa mites. They have been discussed recently in this group. The majority of the bottom board (not the landing area) is #8 wire mesh that the bees cannot got through but mites can't. A "sticky board" underneath will prevent mites from crawling back up into the hive. Some success has been seen without the sticky board. The sticky board can also be used to count mites for to evaluate infestation levels. I think the line about the mite fall when "bees come in for a landing" is a little misleading. I've never heard that the mites fall more from field bees than any other bee in the hive. So did the Beltsville lab actually invent this device? Anybody? -Barry Richards www.hivetool.com Once upon a time, specifically Tue, 14 May 2002 07:35:19 -0500, "rad0" wrote: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11354-2002May13.html >In recent years, two tiny spider-like parasites have been weakening and >killing bee populations across the United States. While the mass media have >played up the threat of Africanized "killer" bees in the Southwest, the rest >of the country has been losing 80 percent or more of its wild honeybee >populations. > >At Beltsville, researchers invented a widely used wire-screen base for >beehives. As the bees come in for a landing, mites fall through the mesh to >the ground and cannot climb back into the bee colony as they could with the >old solid bases. >....... >how does this work exactly? > >can you place the screen at the entrance of the hive? as a kind of landing >pad, >or is the screen used in the floor of the hive? > >will metal window screen work for this? > >thanks, I don't yet have a beehive > > Article 32031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Bee Keepers Near Salem Oregon USA Date: 14 May 2002 11:41:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0205141041.55282728@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021401698 21379 127.0.0.1 (14 May 2002 18:41:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2002 18:41:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32031 Look on the following page for information on the Willamette Valley Beekeepers association: http://www.orsba.org/regionalbranch.htm Nuc. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:... > I was wondering if there are any other Keepsers around here that is willing > to give some local advise to a BEEginer.... > > > Brian Article 32032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Swarm Site. Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.102.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1021372818 29419 62.6.102.134 (14 May 2002 10:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32032 www.swarms.net is a site giving the contact details of beekeepers willing to deal with swarms in the UK. Please use it and pass on information to any interested parties. Article 32033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax to foundation Date: 14 May 2002 22:16:39 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.156 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021414599 21731782 216.167.143.156 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.156!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32033 It seems that wax isn't worth much these days if one wants to have it 'worked up' into foundation..not that it was as such but you always got a good discount when trading in wax for new foundation..now there's these new revelations like no 'brown' wax and plastic foundation and frames 'so' popular there's no demand for wax and the price offered at the wax bank is pretty poor.. Anyone on this list know of someone still making up wax foundation wired or unwired for a good exchange for rendered wax? Just thought I would ask..don't suggest Kelly or Dadant I tried them, and I don't care for plastic anything..there's enough of that in the environment already. There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. Top bar hives next? C.K. Article 32034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Must Read Article Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:12:45 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.f5.2c.7d X-Server-Date: 15 May 2002 01:05:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!news.ucr.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!NewsWatcher!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32034 Check it out folks... of course we heard it before, but at least now it's in the popular media: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11354-2002May13.html Another bone-head move by our (ahem) esteemed leader... notice that he's keeping the lab in TEX-us open. Jerk. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 32035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxilic Acid? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 02:03:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021428201 142.166.239.26 (Tue, 14 May 2002 23:03:21 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:03:21 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32035 What is the correct mixture for oxilic acid when using it as a spray? Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 32036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEWBIE READING LIST Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:06:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <%UED8.167350$N8.14943191@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32036 hey, you aren't Me, stop that, so there. "Me" wrote in message news:%UED8.167350$N8.14943191@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > If you are trying to learn beekeeping, I wouldn't read anything written > before 1989. The best book for beginners and is considered the beginners > bible is "The Beekeeper's Handbook" Third Edition (1998) by Diana Sammataro > and Alphonese Avitabile. > > Mark in West Texas > > > "Wuffman" wrote in message > news:2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Has anyone bought or read Beekeeping for Dummies? I wonder if its a good > > investment for me... > > ( I admit I have several of the IDG's dummy books.... :o) ) > > > > Brian Edward Lynam wrote in message > > news:abifv1$1fn5$1@austar-news.austar.net.au... > > > SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE A BOOK CALLED > > > "PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING" > > > BY RAY CHAPMAN-TAYLOR AND IVO DAVIEY > > > A FEW YEARS AGO I BOUGHT IT FOR $26 AUST > > > GOOD LUCK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: wax to foundation Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:22:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.225.125.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021447325 67.225.125.69 (Wed, 15 May 2002 00:22:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:22:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32037 Is it very hard to make youtr own wax foundations? Ive seen those embeder kits with wire. I was wondering if someone could make their own and just not have the need to buy anymore? Personaly I plan on just decapping the combs and using drawn frames over again? Will the bees be atracted to chuncks of wax if left by a hive? Brian Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:Xns920EAFD1EB1FDckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > It seems that wax isn't worth much these days if one wants to have > it 'worked up' into foundation..not that it was as such but you > always got a good discount when trading in wax for new > foundation..now there's these new revelations like no 'brown' wax > and plastic foundation and frames 'so' popular there's no demand > for wax and the price offered at the wax bank is pretty poor.. > > Anyone on this list know of someone still making up wax foundation > wired or unwired for a good exchange for rendered wax? > > Just thought I would ask..don't suggest Kelly or Dadant I tried > them, and I don't care for plastic anything..there's enough of that > in the environment already. > > There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. > > Top bar hives next? > > C.K. > Article 32038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marking of Hives Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:45 +0200 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.173 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.173 Message-ID: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1021447502 212.166.159.173 (15 May 2002 09:25:02 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32038 Could someone comment on how the keep track "officially" of the hives. Here in Spain we are working of the first draft of a bill which will require to have the hives dully mark down, numbered, and a log-book. As per the cows, lambs... the law is that they must wear a chip in the ear. Please some comments on the hive markings, how it works in different countries, states... Thank you in advance form Mallorca, Spain. Article 32039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varieties of Apis Mellifera, help with chart (page) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:23:26 +0200 Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.173 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.173 Message-ID: <3ce20d4f$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1021447503 212.166.159.173 (15 May 2002 09:25:03 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32039 I would appreciate some help in classifying the varieties of the Apis ligustica and other comerical hybrids Genus: Apis; Species Apis mellifera; Subspecies: Apis mellifera subsp. ligustica; Var. ???????? Teh genus has Apis 9 species a.. Apis Mellifera b.. Apis Laboriosa c.. Apis Dorsata d.. Apis Cerana e.. Apis Koschevnikovi f.. Apis Nuluensis g.. Apis Nigrocinta h.. Apis Andreniformis i.. Apis Florea Of the species Ais mellifera in my area (mediterranean islands, Europe) you can find these subspecies: a.. Apis mellifera subsp. ligustica (Europa oriental, es la de más importancia comercial) b.. Apis mellifera subsp. sicula (islas del mediterráneo) c.. Apis mellifera subsp. ruttneri (islas del mediterráneo) d.. Apis mellifera subsp. scutellata (continente africano y sur de la península ibérica) e.. Apis mellifera subsp. capensis (continente africano y sur de la península ibérica) f.. Apis mellifera subsp. intermissa (continente africano y sur de la península iberia) g.. Apis mellifera subsp. intermisa (continente africano y sur de la península ibérica) h.. Apis mellifera subsp. mellifera (continente europeo occidental, i.e. francesas e inglesas) i.. Apis mellifera subsp. carnica (Europa oriental) j.. Apis mellifera subsp. carpathica (Europa oriental) k.. Apis mellifera subsp. caucasica (Europa oriental) l.. Apis mellifera subsp. adansonii (Question is adansonii or adamsoni ?) Apis mellifera subsp. ligustica var. ????????? Article 32040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive beetle etc Lines: 6 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:21:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32040 An interesting little article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11354-2002May13.html Tom Article 32041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees in a Mite More Than Trouble Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:51:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3ce23bd6.77836363@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32041 On Tue, 14 May 2002 13:26:38 -0500, Barry Richards wrote: >This is referring to screened bottom boards that are being widely used >to monitor and control varroa mites. They have been discussed >recently in this group. > >The majority of the bottom board (not the landing area) is #8 wire >mesh that the bees cannot got through but mites can't. A "sticky >board" underneath will prevent mites from crawling back up into the >hive. Some success has been seen without the sticky board. The >sticky board can also be used to count mites for to evaluate >infestation levels. > >I think the line about the mite fall when "bees come in for a landing" >is a little misleading. I've never heard that the mites fall more >from field bees than any other bee in the hive. > >So did the Beltsville lab actually invent this device? Anybody? > >-Barry Richards >www.hivetool.com > Varroa has been around for many years on bees that nest on the limbs of trees. They groom themselves and the mites fall to the ground and can't walk back to the nest. The screen board uses that principle as well. There is a natural mite fall within a hive. The mites that fall land on the bottom board and crawl back up to the nest. Screened bottoms eliminate those mites. I don't think Beltsville invented the screened bottom board. They have been around for quite a while. They may have invented the sticky board for mite monitoring. While screened bottom boards may reduce the number of mites they are not a replacement for chemical treatments. beekeep Article 32042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> Subject: Re: Marking of Hives Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:40:18 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.36.44 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021466281 210.55.36.44 (Thu, 16 May 2002 00:38:01 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:38:01 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!enterprise!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32042 "Airtel" wrote in message news:3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net... > Could someone comment on how the keep track "officially" of the hives. Snipped. Hi down in New Zealand all Beekeepers have to be registered to keep hives. This means that we have to attend courses, teaching us how to recognise Bee diseases and conditions like the Verroa mite. They also teach us not only how to recognise Bee diseases but also on how to treat them as well because that way the government can be sure of the quality of the honey that we supply and they can track Bee problems if they arise. I live in North Island and we are not allowed to supply queens or bee products to South Island because it is still verroa mite free down there and that way it can be kept safe. Each year we have to fill in a form that states what Bee problems or diseases we have found or seen in our or anyone else's Hives. Each of our hives has to be marked with the Bee Keepers registration number, so that the owner of any hive can be traced very easily. With each hive that we own, we have to supply the grid reference of where the hive is situated. This means that the government can effectively follow Bee Problems should they start to spread like an out break of American foul brood for example. They could look up on the computer all the hives that are near it and then contact the beekeeper to warn them of a possible outbreak. Registration also enables the government to know that Bee Keepers downunder are at least able to recognise a bee problem early before it can do serious damage. Most courses are held at motels locally and we only have to travel a few miles to get to them, they are free and at least help us to meet the other Bee keepers in our area, that way we can get together and pass on tips to each other. All the best Dave Andrews Article 32043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:46:12 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.36.44 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021466282 210.55.36.44 (Thu, 16 May 2002 00:38:02 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:38:02 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cox.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32043 Oxalic acid is a more recent addition to the arsenal of organic acids used for verroa control. The acid is a corrosive, poisonous acid like formic acid. Swiss research showed that 3% oxalic acid, sprayed at 3-4ml per comb side in broodless colonies, killed 98% of mites, in colonies with brood however, the efficiency was 30 - 40% It is recommended that one treatment should be done at the end of summer. If there are more than five mites falling per day. Mix Oxalic acid crystals into a 1:1 sugar syrup, to produce a 3% oxalic acid solution by weight. The recipe is: 100ml of warm water, 100 grams of sugar. Mix sugar with the water until the sugar is dissolved, then add 6 grams of Oxalic acid crystals and agitate until it is dissolved. Obtain a syringe and apply 3 to 4ml per comb side directly onto the Bees. Always add the Oxalic acid crystals into the made up sugar solution, avoid any contact with the skin and eyes by wearing rubber gloves, goggles and a mask to stop inhalation of any possible vapour. Each hive should take no longer than twenty minutes to treat. The addition of the sugar means that the uptake of the Oxalic acid by the Bees will be guaranteed. The life cycle of the Verroa mite shows that most of the verroa mites are hidden within the brood cells and will not be killed but you can expect that over 30% to 40% of the verroa mites in your hive will be dead within thirty six hours. All the best Dave Andrews Article 32044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees in a Mite More Than Trouble Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:28:26 -0400 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021469311 22022905 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32044 There is a quoted letter to the editor in this month's Bee Culture. Quotes a man that switched to all screen boards in 1905 for ventilation. "Barry Richards" wrote in message > So did the Beltsville lab actually invent this device? Anybody? Article 32045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kids pull the darnest pranks Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:53:52 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021470835 22063125 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32045 http://www.mycfnow.com/orlpn/news/stories/news-145549320020513-110542.html -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 32046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 130 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:51:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1021481490 24.64.223.206 (Wed, 15 May 2002 10:51:30 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:51:30 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32046 Your article is not the newest development in Switzerland. I think it's from 1995 or 1996. if you spray the liquid acid on your comb side you can kill up to 98% of your Varroa mites, but.. if your bees feeding on your mixture (acid and sugar water) it kills the bees and with bad luck, you are killing your queen also. I give you an idea from the new tests with vaporized oxalic acid mad on 1509 colonies in November 2000 and spring 2001. It comes from the same institute that developed the tested the liquid acid treatment. .......... pure oxalic acid is an unhealthy, toxic and corrosive substance, it is necessary to wear protective glasses, gloves and long-sleeved clothes during treatment. Colonies in an beehouse must be treated from the outside and the house must be well ventilated during and after the treatment. During the heating about half of the oxalic acid disintegrates into harmless carbon dioxide and water. The other half vaporises and forms fine drops and dusts of oxalic acid that precipitate on the bees and everywhere in the hive. In a special research project this precipitation was examined to see if there were any risks for the apiarist. Possible by-products of the vaporisation were also examined to see if they were toxic. The results have indicated that any doubts about safety can be dispelled. Therefore we would like to present the results and the new method of vaporising oxalic acid. Structure of the field trial In the field trial most apiarists made the first treatment around 25 November 2000. For comparison, different amounts of oxalic acid were vaporised and some colonies were treated with Perizin or Amitraz. Initially 153 colonies remained untreated as control colonies. To obtain comparable results all apiarists received oxalic acid in capsules containing 1,4 g acid. Treatment Number of colonies Effectiveness in % Oxalic acid 2,8 grams 723 99,8% Oxalic acid 1,4 grams 474 94,9% Amitraz 10 86,4% Perizin 6 82,2% Without treatment 153 17,4% Since the effectiveness of the vaporisation of oxalic acid lasts for a prolonged period, dead mites were counted for five weeks after the treatment. The follow-up treatment showed how many mites were not caught with the first treatment and served to determine the effectiveness of the first treatment (table 1). With a single vaporisation of oxalic acid 95 % of the mites were killed. The figures, given in percentages, are average values and it has to be taken into account that some of the colonies had sealed brood. A comparison of the efficacy in colonies with or without brood follows further down. The mites falling after the treatment are dead, not only knocked down. Efficacy of vaporisation of oxalic acid in winter brood If the status of brood in the treated colonies is taken into account, the efficacy of the vaporisation of oxalic acid in colonies free of brood is 99,9 %. The efficacy in colonies with brood is 92,0 % . Vaporisation of oxalic acid also with low temperature The apiarists recorded the temperature during the treatments. Thus, it could be determined that the efficacy of the vaporisation of oxalic acid is almost the same for temperatures between 1 and 16 °C.This means that with this vaporisation method, the apiarist is widely independent of the weather, a great advantage over the spraying and trickling method with oxalic acid. In cold months too, it is possible to start treatment early in the morning. Within one day, an apiarist can treat 1000 to150 colonies perfectly with the vaporiser. With large apiaries, one person can use three vaporisers at the same time and can, therefore, carry out more treatments. The colonies do not have to be openedand the top does not have to be removed. This is translated from the studies in Switzerland. Go to www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln Greetings The Beeguy "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:KEsE8.275$EZ5.47684@news.xtra.co.nz... > Oxalic acid is a more recent addition to the arsenal of organic acids used > for verroa control. > The acid is a corrosive, poisonous acid like formic acid. > > Swiss research showed that 3% oxalic acid, sprayed at 3-4ml per comb side in > broodless colonies, killed 98% of mites, in colonies with brood however, the > efficiency was 30 - 40% > > It is recommended that one treatment should be done at the end of summer. If > there are more than five mites falling per day. > > Mix Oxalic acid crystals into a 1:1 sugar syrup, to produce a 3% oxalic acid > solution by weight. > > The recipe is: > > 100ml of warm water, 100 grams of sugar. > Mix sugar with the water until the sugar is dissolved, then add 6 grams of > Oxalic acid crystals and agitate until it is dissolved. > Obtain a syringe and apply 3 to 4ml per comb side directly onto the > Bees. > Always add the Oxalic acid crystals into the made up sugar solution, > avoid any contact with the skin and eyes by wearing rubber gloves, goggles > and a mask to stop inhalation of any possible vapour. > Each hive should take no longer than twenty minutes to treat. > The addition of the sugar means that the uptake of the Oxalic acid by the > Bees will be guaranteed. > The life cycle of the Verroa mite shows that most of the verroa mites > are hidden within the brood cells and will not be killed but you can expect > that over 30% to 40% of the verroa mites in your hive will be dead within > thirty six hours. > > All the best > > Dave Andrews > > > > > > > > Article 32047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing supers from a crowded hive Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:13:55 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - "ReInventing The UseNet" Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:19:08 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32047 I have a couple of very strong hives which have totally filled up 5 supers each with honey. This surpassed my expectations / preparations therefore I have no new supers to put on. I was planning to harvest honey from 3 supers on each them and return the empties, but wondered what would be the over-crowding effect on the hives when I remove the full supers for 24 hrs while I harvest them. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Peter Article 32048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking of Hives Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:46:55 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1021492189.394066@savina> References: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32048 see Florida's Apiary Inspection Section website at: http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/plantinsp/bees.html especially "Identification of Ownership of Honeybee Hives" at: http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/5b-54.htm under Florida Laws/Rules, not as progressive as New Zealand's. Article 32049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varieties of Apis Mellifera, help with chart (page) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:14:13 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1021493829.182529@savina> References: <3ce20d4f$1@news.airtel.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32049 http://www.apicultura.com/goodies/taxonomy.htm Article 32050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: 15 May 2002 13:29:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021494581 27964 127.0.0.1 (15 May 2002 20:29:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2002 20:29:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32050 beesource.com has a lot of usefull information. On how to make foundationg read this article. http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/part14.htm Andrey. Article 32051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:49:32 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.203.91 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021495239 210.54.203.91 (Thu, 16 May 2002 08:40:39 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:40:39 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32051 "Beeguy" wrote in message news:mmwE8.76134$uE2.5848961@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > Snipped Thanks for that but I have treated all my hives (380 of em) like it and no Bees died as a result. We use this method all the time in New Zealand with no problems at all. Article 32052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:43:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.244.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021499015 142.166.244.101 (Wed, 15 May 2002 18:43:35 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:43:35 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32052 Thank-you for your responce Dave, I only have 9 hives and don't think I need to spend the money on the vaporizer at this stag, particularly if you are able to manager 380 hives without it. Thanks, Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:bJzE8.312$EZ5.58283@news.xtra.co.nz... > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:mmwE8.76134$uE2.5848961@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > Snipped > > > Thanks for that but I have treated all my hives (380 of em) like it and no > Bees died as a result. > > We use this method all the time in New Zealand with no problems at all. > > > > > > Article 32053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking of Hives Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:50:57 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.98 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021499800 22607672 144.139.221.98 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.98!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32053 "Airtel" wrote: > Could someone comment on how the keep track "officially" of the > hives. > > Here in Spain we are working of the first draft of a bill which > will require to have the hives dully mark down, numbered, and a > log-book. > > As per the cows, lambs... the law is that they must wear a chip > in the ear. Please some comments on the hive markings, how it > works in different countries, states... As for New South Wales, Australia, please see: http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/11190 John Article 32054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2FDD8.6562$Nt3.520362@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <%UED8.167350$N8.14943191@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: NEWBIE READING LIST Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:37:32 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.80.117 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021508937 210.54.80.117 (Thu, 16 May 2002 12:28:57 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:28:57 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32054 If anyone wants to read a brilliant book, it's called TAPDANCE YOUR WAY TO SOCIAL RIDICULE! It's self help book. It's a follow up of my previous novel "APATHY IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED!" GRIN!! Loosen up and smell the flowers.. Article 32055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:13:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1021518791 24.64.223.206 (Wed, 15 May 2002 21:13:11 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:13:11 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32055 That's unbelievable; you treated all your 380 hives like this? The timeframe in your message before was twenty minutes per hive. That means, your working 7600 minutes or 127 hours for one treatment on all your bees, 16 days full time without a break is really hard. I give you a short idea how I would tread your 380 beehives with Oxalic Acid. I would go with 4 vaporizer , 1 treatment takes maximal 3 minutes = 4 hives in 3 minutes. 380 hives in 285 minutes = 4.75 hours. All the best wishes to your bees Manfred Schreiber "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:bJzE8.312$EZ5.58283@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > Snipped > > > Thanks for that but I have treated all my hives (380 of em) like it and no > Bees died as a result. > > We use this method all the time in New Zealand with no problems at all. > > > > > > Article 32056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to sell vaporisers Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:20:45 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.25.33 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021522313 219.88.25.33 (Thu, 16 May 2002 16:11:53 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:11:53 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32056 "Beeguy" wrote in message news:btFE8.79871$GG6.6997287@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... Snipped. Sadly my friend who ever said that hard work is bad for you! Thanks for taking the time and trouble to work out how many hours it took me to treat my hives. Why do you feel the need to keep pushing a vaporiser into everything, do you have shares in the company that makes them? Perhaps if you think this newsgroup is a good place to peddle your vaporiser then you may be mistaken. Most of the Bee Keepers who use this newsgroup are Hobbyist and don't run commercial operations. For a man to discover new horizons, first he has to loose sight of the shore. Many regards Dave Andrews Article 32057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Hives Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:26:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.225.125.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021526810 67.225.125.173 (Wed, 15 May 2002 22:26:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:26:50 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32057 Ok before anyone tells me how stupid I am for buying used hives. I got them from a guy that said that he bought out a large lot 140 full hives from an older man that he knows. Igot me 4 deeps and 4 westerns and 2 bottom boards and 2 top boards for 50.00 full of frames with drawn comb... So If I loose on the deal Im not going to cry too much and next year Ill build new ones and start over. Here are some questions I have.... 1> some of the combs in the deeps, are very dark in color are they still oK to use or should I scrap them and put new foundation in them. 2> Some of the deeps have white stuff in them Should I just burn these frames or can I leave them as is and let the bees clean them out? 3> how much damage to the comb can bee done for the bees to be able to repare it? some of the frames hage big voids of foundation or comb. I am getting me some nucs next week. I took all the frames that were yellow or light brown and had none of ot the white stuff on them and got 2 full suppers so I should be ok for 1 hive... Also these hives are just the 2 deeps 2 westerns a top board and a bottom board. Do I need to get a inner cover? Brian Article 32058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:55:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ce365e2.154136679@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32058 On Thu, 16 May 2002 03:13:11 GMT, "Beeguy" wrote: >That's unbelievable; you treated all your 380 hives like this? >The timeframe in your message before was twenty minutes per hive. That >means, your working 7600 minutes or 127 hours for one treatment on all your >bees, 16 days full time without a break is really hard. > >I give you a short idea how I would tread your 380 beehives with Oxalic >Acid. >I would go with 4 vaporizer , 1 treatment takes maximal 3 minutes = 4 hives >in 3 minutes. >380 hives in 285 minutes = 4.75 hours. > >All the best wishes to your bees >Manfred Schreiber > You left out all the travel time too! beekeep Article 32059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to sell vaporisers Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:00:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3ce3662b.154209680@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32059 On Thu, 16 May 2002 15:20:45 +1200, "Dave Andrews" wrote: > >"Beeguy" wrote in message >news:btFE8.79871$GG6.6997287@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > >Snipped. > >Sadly my friend who ever said that hard work is bad for you! >Thanks for taking the time and trouble to work out how many hours it took me >to treat my hives. > >Why do you feel the need to keep pushing a vaporiser into everything, do you >have shares in the company that makes them? > Perhaps if you think this newsgroup is a good place to peddle your >vaporiser then you may be mistaken. >Most of the Bee Keepers who use this newsgroup are Hobbyist and don't run >commercial operations. > >For a man to discover new horizons, first he has to loose sight of the >shore. > >Many regards >Dave Andrews > > Actually if you visit the website the vaporizer seems to be a pretty simple thing to build yourself. Being able to treat without opening the hive in a short amount of time seems the smartest way to go. I'm going to give it a try this summer. I will post my opinion after too. beekeep Article 32060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Holly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do?! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:07:28 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bordeaux-115-1-18.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1021547788 15652 80.9.88.18 (16 May 2002 11:16:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2002 11:16:28 GMT Keywords: X-No-Archive: Yes X-No-Archive: Yes X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32060 Hi all, please forgive me if this is a FAQ, but a quick scan of recent messages didn't find anything. Earlier this year I planted an orchard, felt it would be nice to have bees and did nothing about it. We have plenty of room and no near neighbours, although we do have four children and a dog. The orchard is about 50 yards from the house, a hive could be up to about 200m away in the same direction. Anyway, today some bees have appeared, hovering around an open 'window' to an unused attic above the house. It is not a swarm (at least not yet!), I guess maybe 50 bees. Is there anything I can do myself, quickly, to try to tempt the bees into something so that I can then get them into a hive? Would it be feasible do put a hive actually in the attic, or would that be too risky for the children etc? I can manage to put together a bee proof outfit if necessary! Are these bees actually looking for a home at all, if not swarming? If necessary I could probably find a beekeeper to come and take them, but I would like to keep them if possible, even if I just left them alone having given them a home - is this feasible? Also I am in France but don't yet speak especially good french so phoning someone out of the blue won't be easy! There are hives and equipment available locally so I could get what I need immediately. Sorry to ask so many questions all at once, but I need to decide what, if anything, I need to do in the short term. I hope someone can help, I look forward to your replies, and in the meantime I'm off to amazon to look for some books! TIA Holly Article 32061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do?! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:54:31 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021550073 22904337 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32061 I have seen when bees are looking for a place to swarm to there will be many bees checking out the area before they actually move in. I wouldn't want bees in my attic and if there is a small opening there for them to get in I would seal it off. It would be easier to buy package of bees and start your own hive than to try to pull them out of an attic. Just my thoughts... -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Holly" wrote in message news:ac04ec$f94$1@wanadoo.fr... > Hi all, please forgive me if this is a FAQ, but a quick scan of recent > messages didn't find anything. > > Earlier this year I planted an orchard, felt it would be nice to have > bees and did nothing about it. We have plenty of room and no near > neighbours, although we do have four children and a dog. The orchard is > about 50 yards from the house, a hive could be up to about 200m away in > the same direction. Anyway, today some bees have appeared, hovering > around an open 'window' to an unused attic above the house. It is not a > swarm (at least not yet!), I guess maybe 50 bees. > > Is there anything I can do myself, quickly, to try to tempt the bees > into something so that I can then get them into a hive? Would it be > feasible do put a hive actually in the attic, or would that be too > risky for the children etc? I can manage to put together a bee proof > outfit if necessary! Are these bees actually looking for a home at all, > if not swarming? > > If necessary I could probably find a beekeeper to come and take them, > but I would like to keep them if possible, even if I just left them > alone having given them a home - is this feasible? Also I am in France > but don't yet speak especially good french so phoning someone out of the > blue won't be easy! There are hives and equipment available locally so I > could get what I need immediately. > > Sorry to ask so many questions all at once, but I need to decide what, > if anything, I need to do in the short term. I hope someone can help, I > look forward to your replies, and in the meantime I'm off to amazon to > look for some books! > > TIA > Holly > Article 32062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Hives Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:57:09 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021550231 22792903 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32062 My first concern would be to check them for AFB spores. I would send samples to the lab. If you start with AFB you will end up living with AFB and so will your local Beekeepers if there are any near. Sometimes nothing for nothing is equal to nothing... protect yourself up front. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Wuffman" wrote in message news:uqHE8.1743$HE2.158110@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Ok before anyone tells me how stupid I am for buying used hives. I got them > from a guy that said that he bought out a large lot 140 full hives from an > older man that he knows. Igot me 4 deeps and 4 westerns and 2 bottom boards > and 2 top boards for 50.00 full of frames with drawn comb... So If I loose > on the deal Im not going to cry too much and next year Ill build new ones > and start over. > > Here are some questions I have.... > > 1> some of the combs in the deeps, are very dark in color are they still oK > to use or should I scrap them and put new foundation in them. > > 2> Some of the deeps have white stuff in them Should I just burn these > frames or can I leave them as is and let the bees clean them out? > > 3> how much damage to the comb can bee done for the bees to be able to > repare it? some of the frames hage big voids of foundation or comb. > > I am getting me some nucs next week. I took all the frames that were yellow > or light brown and had none of ot the white stuff on them and got 2 full > suppers so I should be ok for 1 hive... > > Also these hives are just the 2 deeps 2 westerns a top board and a bottom > board. Do I need to get a inner cover? > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:05:21 -0400 Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021554323 23024849 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32063 Interesting comparison on the time. What about cost of the treatment itself? From your method, I see 1.4g per treatment. Dave uses 6g in 100ml water, with 3-4ml per frame of bees. With an average of 6 frames in two hive bodies, I would guess he uses about 1/2 of the solution per hive? (is this right Dave?) So, closer to 3g per hive, for roughly double the $$ cost per treatment. We'll leave out all labor costs and travel time, on the assumption that Dave does it all himself and values his time as a hobbyist, Also, zero cost on the chiropractor and back treatments, as Dave likes to move supers around. A vaporizer costs about $56 (Canadian - the home use version) -- how long does it take for the vaporizer to pay for itself just in terms of the acid cost? Karen ps - It does appear the Beeguy is connected to sales of the vaporizers. His home server is in the same Canadian area as the web site, which is clearly visible in the header (despite his hotmail address). Not to mention that his every post is concerning how great the vaporizers are and where to purchase one. But, he is not the main sales person listed on their web site. Of course, the vaporizers appear to be but a small part of the company's sales, since they are a machinist shop. "Beeguy" wrote in message news:btFE8.79871$GG6.6997287@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > That's unbelievable; you treated all your 380 hives like this? > The timeframe in your message before was twenty minutes per hive. That > means, your working 7600 minutes or 127 hours for one treatment on all your > bees, 16 days full time without a break is really hard. > > I give you a short idea how I would tread your 380 beehives with Oxalic > Acid. > I would go with 4 vaporizer , 1 treatment takes maximal 3 minutes = 4 hives > in 3 minutes. > 380 hives in 285 minutes = 4.75 hours. > > All the best wishes to your bees > Manfred Schreiber > > > "Dave Andrews" wrote in message > news:bJzE8.312$EZ5.58283@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > > > Snipped > > > > > > Thanks for that but I have treated all my hives (380 of em) like it and no > > Bees died as a result. Article 32064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mario" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey wholesale price? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:36:41 +0200 Organization: HThinet Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ad16-m24.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: as201.hinet.hr 1021559556 492740 195.29.51.24 (16 May 2002 14:32:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:32:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32064 Hi, I have 8 MT of honey for export, honey is produced in Croatia, with eco-certification, without any antibiotics and other unwanted stuff :-) honey is of very high quality, which price do you think I could get? thank you in advance, mario. Article 32065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ce365e2.154136679@news1.radix.net> Subject: Vaporise the vaporiser.. Grin. Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 01:44:42 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.24.124 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1021559860 219.88.24.124 (Fri, 17 May 2002 02:37:40 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:37:40 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!enterprise!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32065 Travel time to my hives? The cost of labour? I just open the back door and walk over to them, they are scattered all over the place from around two hundred yards from the house, to down by the river that runs along the edge of my land. It must take me all of forty minutes to walk there in the lovely autumn sunshine. My time is free because I don't have to work anymore, I retired at 31 which isn't bad and I am now forty eight. Sadly money isn't important to me, I just enjoy the lifestyle that New Zealand offers me and unlike some people I have the time to be able to stop and smell the flowers in life. I gave up the rat race a few years ago, enough of working to live and never again will I live to work. My life is simplistic and I love it. All my Bees come from feral hives that I have removed from people's houses, the wood buildings used downunder are very good for Bees to find small holes in and so they move in. I don't even charge anything to remove the bees, my pay comes from the honey but it's not important. Sometimes I combine fishing when I am inspecting my hives, it's neat to be able to do this. Sitting down with a few sandwiches, a beer or two and a fishing rod. The sunshine is free! I often sit and wonder at the pathways that managed to bring me to this wonderful island. Heck if I mow the lawns, it takes nearly a week but who is counting? I never wanted to be the richest guy in the graveyard. Simply I do what I do because I like it, my time is free. If you are to discover new oceans, first you have to loose sight of the shore. All the very best Dave Andrews Article 32066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 May 2002 14:58:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What to do?! Message-ID: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32066 Do some research on swarm traps. Basically a 1 cu foot box with no light entering from above, partly shaded and a way to get in from below. If it smells like beeswax it's a plus. Article 32067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Used Hives Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:46:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021563992 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 16 May 2002 11:46:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:46:32 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32067 "Wuffman" wrote > Ok before anyone tells me how stupid I am for buying used hives. I got them > from a guy that said that he bought out a large lot 140 full hives from an > older man that he knows. Igot me 4 deeps and 4 westerns and 2 bottom boards > and 2 top boards for 50.00 full of frames with drawn comb... So If I loose > on the deal Im not going to cry too much and next year Ill build new ones > and start over. Beware of buying foulbrood. If you do, as I did, when I first started keeping bees, you will regret it for years... see: http://www.pollinator.com/afbscale.htm > Here are some questions I have.... > > 1> some of the combs in the deeps, are very dark in color are they still oK > to use or should I scrap them and put new foundation in them. If they are free of foulbrood, no problem. I've had frames almost 50 years old, and the comb was quite dark. > 2> Some of the deeps have white stuff in them Should I just burn these > frames or can I leave them as is and let the bees clean them out? Dunno what you mean? wax worm cocoons? Varroa mite droppings in individual cells? Bees will clean up varroa droppings as they polish out cells. Wax worm cocoons should be pretty much scraped out, as bees usually propolize over them. If they are on the ends of the frames, they will glue the frames into the box. > > 3> how much damage to the comb can bee done for the bees to be able to > repare it? some of the frames hage big voids of foundation or comb. Bees will build back a frame with a hole in the comb, if you put it between two good frames of comb, unless it had wires running thru it. I sometimes reuse combs this way for supers, but snip the wires, so they don't run comb crossways. Most often the hole will be filled with drone sized cells. Bees need to have some drone cells, or they will rip out worker brood cells to make drone cells. But if they have too much they will raise too many drones. > I am getting me some nucs next week. I took all the frames that were yellow > or light brown and had none of ot the white stuff on them and got 2 full > suppers so I should be ok for 1 hive... Ayup. With the understanding that you have no foulbrood scale. > Also these hives are just the 2 deeps 2 westerns a top board and a bottom > board. Do I need to get a inner cover? Few commercial beekeepers use inner covers anymore. They provide more hiding spots for the afrobeetles. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> Subject: Re: Marking of Hives Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0BQE8.111300$YQ1.36155005@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:52:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021564348 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 16 May 2002 11:52:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:52:28 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32068 "Airtel" wrote > Could someone comment on how the keep track "officially" of the hives. > > Here in Spain we are working of the first draft of a bill which will require > to have the hives dully mark down, numbered, and a log-book. Beekeepers routinely brand their equipment with a brand name. Mine is a number that is registered with my county, so that it is traceable to me. But all equipment is branded with the same number. > As per the cows, lambs... the law is that they must wear a chip in the ear. > Please some comments on the hive markings, how it works in different > countries, > states... Trying to mark every hive with a different number, and keeping track of individual colonies of bees for regulatory purposes would be pure foolishness. Bees are moved around in equipment too much in normal beekeeping. Nucs are made; bees die out; swarm; sometimes they even abscond. The records would be irrelevant. The only reason I could comprehend for keeping track of individual swarms would be for breeding records, or scientific experiments. Article 32069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vaporise the vaporiser.. Grin. Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19939-3CE40727-10@storefull-2296.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQtLa+Wh+pDxRs5B0CSpWifSqw8PwIUZrNr/5oevyD9gQ4Bhh6Nxp3R+7g= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!4.24.21.153!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32069 To each his own but for me I want to feed my kids. I also enjoy my work. Some would consider using their extra time to help others. Article 32070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen cells and swarming time Date: 16 May 2002 13:47:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021582024 31690 127.0.0.1 (16 May 2002 20:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2002 20:47:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32070 To the esteemed professional beekeepers, Some professional advice please! I was checking one of my hives today (South-Central Wisconsin) and found new queen cells, all of them have freshly laid eggs in them (like from today or yesterday) 4 of them were standing straight 2 or 3 looked like they were laying on the side and 1 0r 2 looked like had some food placed in it! My question is: when it would be (how many days) the appropriate time for me to split this hive? Thank you very much for the help, Fr. Athanasios Article 32071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing supers from a crowded hive Date: 16 May 2002 14:26:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0205161326.6837b2d1@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.167.83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021584362 340 127.0.0.1 (16 May 2002 21:26:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2002 21:26:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32071 "Peter Smith" wrote in message news:... > I was planning to harvest honey from 3 supers on each them and return the > empties, but wondered what would be the over-crowding effect on the hives > when I remove the full supers for 24 hrs while I harvest them. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Peter Try putting an empty super in place of the ones that you have taken off that should take care of any overcrowding for a few days, especially if some of the frames need drawing out. Take care and stay lucky Albert Article 32072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19939-3CE40727-10@storefull-2296.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Vaporise the vaporiser.. Grin. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:01:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021586514 207.179.133.205 (Thu, 16 May 2002 19:01:54 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:01:54 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32072 Cute, that reminds me of quote I once read; "If we were put on the earth to help others, what were the others put on the earth for?" Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "John Partin" wrote in message news:19939-3CE40727-10@storefull-2296.public.lawson.webtv.net... > To each his own but for me I want to feed my kids. I also enjoy my > work. Some would consider using their extra time to help others. > Article 32073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ce365e2.154136679@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Vaporise the vaporiser.. Grin. Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:08:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021586929 207.179.133.205 (Thu, 16 May 2002 19:08:49 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:08:49 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32073 Good for you Dave, I retired at 37, about 9 years ago and have been living the free life. I have managed to turn wood to make some spending money and keep me in a new truck and computer every other year or so. I live in a rural area and keep bees, chickens, turkeys, apple trees and my dogs as hobbies. I make wooden bowls to pay for the toys in life. Taking it easy and keeping the bload pressure low is much more attractive to me then running in the rat race to see who can get to an early grave first..... Cheers to you and yours.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:UuPE8.564$EZ5.94634@news.xtra.co.nz... > Travel time to my hives? > The cost of labour? > I just open the back door and walk over to them, they are scattered all > over the place from around two hundred yards from the house, to down by the > river that runs along the edge of my land. > It must take me all of forty minutes to walk there in the lovely autumn > sunshine. > > My time is free because I don't have to work anymore, I retired at 31 which > isn't bad and I am now forty eight. > Sadly money isn't important to me, I just enjoy the lifestyle that New > Zealand offers me and unlike some people I have the time to be able to stop > and smell the flowers in life. > I gave up the rat race a few years ago, enough of working to live and > never again will I live to work. My life is simplistic and I love it. > All my Bees come from feral hives that I have removed from people's > houses, the wood buildings used downunder are very good for Bees to find > small holes in and so they move in. I don't even charge anything to remove > the bees, my pay comes from the honey but it's not important. > Sometimes I combine fishing when I am inspecting my hives, it's neat to > be able to do this. Sitting down with a few sandwiches, a beer or two and a > fishing rod. The sunshine is free! > I often sit and wonder at the pathways that managed to bring me to this > wonderful island. Heck if I mow the lawns, it takes nearly a week but who is > counting? > I never wanted to be the richest guy in the graveyard. > Simply I do what I do because I like it, my time is free. If you are to > discover new oceans, first you have to loose sight of the shore. > > All the very best > Dave Andrews > > > Article 32074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey wholesale price? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ngpost-m1.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 2002 22:35:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20020516183555.11955.00000072@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32074 The bulk price of honey for top quality wildflower is around 70 cents a lb in the states and after it been tested here. after ahipping and paying any tariffs you could make oh 2-3 cents a pound. You think i;m being negative Nope we have problems when it cost about 80-85 cents a pound to raise honey. Cheers, Dave Article 32075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cells and swarming time Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ngpost-m1.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 2002 23:45:54 GMT References: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20020516194554.25551.00000153@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32075 Hi, Anytime form now to the next 10 or so days. I try and put two queen cells in each split that way if one is not up to specification you have built in backup. Lets hope there is good weather and enough drones to get them well bred. So any chance of getting a bee keeper club going in Madison ? Cheers, Dave Article 32076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to treat Verroa using Oxalic acid. Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:40:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1021603219 12.81.128.237 (Fri, 17 May 2002 02:40:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:40:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32076 yawn.............. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Beeguy" wrote in message news:btFE8.79871$GG6.6997287@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > That's unbelievable; you treated all your 380 hives like this? > The timeframe in your message before was twenty minutes per hive. That > means, your working 7600 minutes or 127 hours for one treatment on all your > bees, 16 days full time without a break is really hard. > > I give you a short idea how I would tread your 380 beehives with Oxalic > Acid. > I would go with 4 vaporizer , 1 treatment takes maximal 3 minutes = 4 hives > in 3 minutes. > 380 hives in 285 minutes = 4.75 hours. > > All the best wishes to your bees > Manfred Schreiber > > > "Dave Andrews" wrote in message > news:bJzE8.312$EZ5.58283@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > > > Snipped > > > > > > Thanks for that but I have treated all my hives (380 of em) like it and no > > Bees died as a result. > > > > We use this method all the time in New Zealand with no problems at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cells and swarming time Date: 17 May 2002 04:11:04 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.4 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021608664 23180666 216.167.143.4 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.4!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32077 frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) wrote in news:5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com: > My question is: > when it would be (how many days) the appropriate time for me to > split this hive? > Thank you very much for the help, > Fr. Athanasios I would wait until the cells are 'sealed' then make your move; be mindful that no damage may occur to the cells you're moving. C.K. - Congaudeat turba fidelium Article 32078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jamsportland@aol.com (Jamsportland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2002 04:41:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: What are the benefits of mental calculation in your profession? Message-ID: <20020517004113.21526.00000287@mb-mv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32078 What are the benefits of mental calculation in your profession? I am doing a research on how mental calculation helps you in your profession and I would appreciate your input. Thank you in advance. JAMS Article 32079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: 16 May 2002 21:48:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 74 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021610882 10181 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 04:48:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 04:48:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32079 Adam, Does a queen have haploid chromosomes like it's daughters? If so does that not mean that queens and daugters are genetically identical? However males, I know, are diploid--one set from the queen egg and one set from the sperm that the queen carries around from the time of mating. This raises very interesting questions on how honeybees have evolved, because to me, it seems very one-sided and would have reduced it's genepool to almost nothing in a very short time resulting in a wimpy, disease suseptible species. Oh, wait! They ARE a disease suseptible species. adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > In article , > Greg Hupf wrote: > >The author implies that the best an individual can do evolutionarily is to > >pass down as much of its own genetic material as possible. This assertion > >is at odds with the empirical evidence that sexual reproduction is common > >throughout life. Bob Pursley was correct in qualifying his answer to the > >thread. > > Materializing from the bee yard for this thread... > > Hymenopteras insects (bees/wasps/ants) and their haplo-diploidal > reproductive system make for some interesting selectional theorization. > > Insects, and more acutely, hymenopterous ones that are haplo-diploid, > aren't really comparable to "reproduction" a Mammal performs. > Mendelian genetics, in the Fischerian sense of normal distribution > for bi-allelic traits and honey bees, isn't appropriate. > > > Here's the question I always ask: > > Which was first, the queen or the workers? > > From there, you can go most anywhere. Check out this article: > > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/020422/020422-16.html# > > > With honey bees, one looks at the level where the selection is > taking place and then one frames the theory: Is the reproductive > unit the individual worker bee as the original poster asked? Probably > not, since the eusocial system these animals reproduce in isn't > like a normal breeding population and the honey bee worker isn't > really a normal breeding unit (isn't panmictic) (fun word). > > So one may theorize, as many have, that since the actual bee isn't > struggling for reproduction in a naturally selective sense, it is > "helping" kin (queen) and thus is "struggling" for fitness in a > naturally selective sense. > > This is the kin selection argument for eusocial insects. To date, nobody has > shown that worker honey bees will select their closely related kin over less > closely related others in making new queens. See article by Breed, et al. late > 90's. > > What then? Who knows? Probably _several_ systems defined or described > within evolutionary biology work together within honey bees. This > makes them very very hard to describe in our traditional Mammalian, > bi-allelic (dominant/recessive) theoretical framework. > > I do so enjoy the question: > > "Who was first, queen or worker?" when looking at colonies that > have opening queen cells, after the main swarm has left. There is > stuff happening in that hive we really do not know much about. > Don't you find that amazing? I certainly do! > > Adam Article 32080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Holly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do?! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:37:02 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 83 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bordeaux-115-4-62.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1021615783 4839 80.9.91.62 (17 May 2002 06:09:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 06:09:43 GMT Keywords: X-No-Archive: Yes X-No-Archive: Yes X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32080 BeeFarmer wrote in message > I have seen when bees are looking for a place to swarm to > there will be many bees checking out the area before they > actually move in. Thanks for that, although I may be too late, they might have already moved in, I went up to look and they seem to going in and out of various holes in the wall..... > I wouldn't want bees in my attic and if there is a small opening > there for them to get in I would seal it off. Impossible in the short term I'm afraid. There are two window holes without frames or glass, and numerous gaps between the walls and the roof, under the eaves. If they want to get in I can't stop them. >It would be easier to buy package of bees and start > your own hive than to try to pull them out of an attic. I have no idea if package bees are available here but I will investigate, depending on what happens with these, > Just my thoughts... Thank you Holly > > > "Holly" wrote in message > news:ac04ec$f94$1@wanadoo.fr... > > Hi all, please forgive me if this is a FAQ, but a quick scan of recent > > messages didn't find anything. > > > > Earlier this year I planted an orchard, felt it would be nice to have > > bees and did nothing about it. We have plenty of room and no near > > neighbours, although we do have four children and a dog. The orchard is > > about 50 yards from the house, a hive could be up to about 200m away in > > the same direction. Anyway, today some bees have appeared, hovering > > around an open 'window' to an unused attic above the house. It is not a > > swarm (at least not yet!), I guess maybe 50 bees. > > > > Is there anything I can do myself, quickly, to try to tempt the bees > > into something so that I can then get them into a hive? Would it be > > feasible do put a hive actually in the attic, or would that be too > > risky for the children etc? I can manage to put together a bee proof > > outfit if necessary! Are these bees actually looking for a home at all, > > if not swarming? > > > > If necessary I could probably find a beekeeper to come and take them, > > but I would like to keep them if possible, even if I just left them > > alone having given them a home - is this feasible? Also I am in France > > but don't yet speak especially good french so phoning someone out of the > > blue won't be easy! There are hives and equipment available locally so I > > could get what I need immediately. > > > > Sorry to ask so many questions all at once, but I need to decide what, > > if anything, I need to do in the short term. I hope someone can help, I > > look forward to your replies, and in the meantime I'm off to amazon to > > look for some books! > > > > TIA > > Holly > > > > Article 32081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Holly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do?! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:44:54 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bordeaux-115-4-62.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1021615784 4839 80.9.91.62 (17 May 2002 06:09:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 06:09:44 GMT Keywords: X-No-Archive: Yes X-No-Archive: Yes X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.251.151.101!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32081 BeeCrofter wrote in message ... > Do some research on swarm traps. Have done, most helpful, thanks, it is useful to know what combination of words to search on. > Basically a 1 cu foot box with no light entering from above, partly > shaded and a way to get in from below. If it smells like beeswax it's a plus. Two made, from cardboard boxes, with different openings at the bottom, placed near the window opening they are using. No wax, can get some tomorrow. The only beeswax I have seen is in the form of a sheet/comb and they are not expensive, I will try fixing a sheet in one of the boxes. Wish me luck..... As I said in the other reply, I fear I may be too late, they might have already settled in the wall. How would I know? I really don't want to kill the bees, but I guess leaving them in the wall of the house is not a good idea?? Thanks again Holly Article 32082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: 17 May 2002 06:28:52 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1021631173 10785 166.84.1.2 (17 May 2002 10:26:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32082 In article <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com>, Eric Vincill wrote: > > Does a queen have haploid chromosomes like it's daughters? If so >does that not mean that queens and daugters are genetically identical? > However males, I know, are diploid--one set from the queen egg and >one set from the sperm that the queen carries around from the time of >mating. Queens and workers are diploid. Drones are haploid. Queens lay haploid eggs, which are ferilized and become diploid, or remain haploid and produce more drones. Drones are "flying gametes" of the queen. Each drone's billions of sperm are genetically identical. >This raises very interesting questions on how honeybees have >evolved, because to me, it seems very one-sided and would have reduced >it's genepool to almost nothing in a very short time resulting in a >wimpy, disease suseptible species. Oh, wait! They ARE a disease >suseptible species. This happens all the time: selection is happening as we observe the world. We're in the midst of it. Often whole populations of species will go extinct. Adam Article 32083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Pkg. bees still available?? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:53:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1021636432 198.164.250.9 (Fri, 17 May 2002 08:53:52 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:53:52 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32083 We are still getting them here in NB, I have 5 Nooks coming next week. You can try the NB Bee Keeper Association for contacts.. 1-506-357-5444 ask for Ruth.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Joe" wrote in message news:f11c398c.0205120305.55eb9997@posting.google.com... > Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, > or is it a fat chance, this late... > > I'm in MA. > > thanks! Article 32084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cells and swarming time Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23590-3CE4EF92-4@storefull-2297.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsmouiZDykK1ZuC7G0gWEjhzfZlwCFDzB4lfgQhhtKfCn0eL1Aue27lce Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32084 Your best chance of getting a good queen is to do the split in the next few days and go buy a good cell form a good queen breeder and put the cell in the new split. In all likely hood the bought cell will emerge first and kill the other cells and you will have a very good queen. It is unlikely that the cellls your hive procuced will be near the quality that the queen breeder can produced. Article 32085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> Subject: Re: What to do?! Lines: 37 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:13:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1021641200 68.65.40.59 (Fri, 17 May 2002 09:13:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:13:20 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32085 There is a way to get them out of the wall, but I'll have to find the URL again. Maybe search on honey bee wall? "Holly" wrote in message news:ac26r8$4n7$2@wanadoo.fr... > > BeeCrofter wrote in message ... > > > Do some research on swarm traps. > > Have done, most helpful, thanks, it is useful to know what combination > of words to search on. > > > Basically a 1 cu foot box with no light entering from above, partly > > shaded and a way to get in from below. If it smells like beeswax it's > a plus. > > Two made, from cardboard boxes, with different openings at the bottom, > placed near the window opening they are using. No wax, can get some > tomorrow. The only beeswax I have seen is in the form of a sheet/comb > and they are not expensive, I will try fixing a sheet in one of the > boxes. Wish me luck..... > > As I said in the other reply, I fear I may be too late, they might have > already settled in the wall. How would I know? I really don't want to > kill the bees, but I guess leaving them in the wall of the house is not > a good idea?? > > Thanks again > > Holly > Article 32086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> Subject: Re: What to do?! Lines: 36 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:26:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1021641973 68.65.40.59 (Fri, 17 May 2002 09:26:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:26:13 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32086 Found it at http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2079.html, the first part is about destroying them with chemicals, but farther down is a diagram for a bee excluder type deal. "Holly" wrote in message news:ac26r8$4n7$2@wanadoo.fr... > > BeeCrofter wrote in message ... > > > Do some research on swarm traps. > > Have done, most helpful, thanks, it is useful to know what combination > of words to search on. > > > Basically a 1 cu foot box with no light entering from above, partly > > shaded and a way to get in from below. If it smells like beeswax it's > a plus. > > Two made, from cardboard boxes, with different openings at the bottom, > placed near the window opening they are using. No wax, can get some > tomorrow. The only beeswax I have seen is in the form of a sheet/comb > and they are not expensive, I will try fixing a sheet in one of the > boxes. Wish me luck..... > > As I said in the other reply, I fear I may be too late, they might have > already settled in the wall. How would I know? I really don't want to > kill the bees, but I guess leaving them in the wall of the house is not > a good idea?? > > Thanks again > > Holly > Article 32087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> Subject: Re: What to do?! Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:45:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1021650333 24.31.194.116 (Fri, 17 May 2002 11:45:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:45:33 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32087 "Holly" wrote > As I said in the other reply, I fear I may be too late, they might have > already settled in the wall. How would I know? I really don't want to > kill the bees, but I guess leaving them in the wall of the house is not > a good idea?? Some of it depends on your attitude. When I was a kid, we had a swarm of bees come into the wall in the back of our house, and they were there for years. They didn't bother us, and we didn't bother them. Meanwhile we had bountiful gardens. What often happens, is that the swarm is unnoticed until it has been established awhile, then the homeowner discovers it and panics. A lady near here called an exterminator, who killed the bees, with ten cents worth of poison, collected $300, and left. The honey in the comb, with no bees to guard it and keep it dry, absorbed humidity, fermented, ruptured the cells of the comb, and began to run down her walls. She had to have several hundred dollars worth of drywall repair. I've often had to deal with homeowners who use spray cans of wasp and hornet spray (which only weaken, not kill the colony), THEN call me. When I take on the job, I tell them the job costs double if they have already sprayed. I tell them that I will try to salvage the honey to recoup some of the cost, but if there are pesticide residues, then it is only toxic waste. *Usually* they will tell the truth at that point. If you decide you must remove them, don't wait until they have built a nest. Within a couple weeks there will be significant brood, pollen, and honey in the wall. The wall must be opened and all hive contents removed, or problems multiply. Not only can honey ferment but dead brood and pollen can attract many kinds of vermin. After removal, stuff the cavity full of fiberglass insulation, and plug all entry points. In other words, if you plan to poison them, do it quickly. If you can live with them, that is better, because you will benefit from their presence. Years ago, swarms would often live ten years or more with no care. Nowadays, with the various new parasites and diseases, it would be unusual for them to live two full seasons. But most of the time, as they die out, they also consume the entire honey supply. To permanently provide for your pollination needs, you probably will have to be a keeper, because bees have much less chance of suviving unattended nowadays. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cells and swarming time Date: 17 May 2002 12:53:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0205171153.13c8c1b1@posting.google.com> References: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021665225 878 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 19:53:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 19:53:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32088 frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) wrote in message news:<5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com>... > To the esteemed professional beekeepers, > Some professional advice please! > > I was checking one of my hives today (South-Central Wisconsin) > and found new queen cells, all of them have freshly laid eggs > in them (like from today or yesterday) 4 of them were standing > straight 2 or 3 looked like they were laying on the side and > 1 0r 2 looked like had some food placed in it! > My question is: > when it would be (how many days) the appropriate time for me to > split this hive? > > Thank you very much for the help, > Fr. Athanasios bearing in mind that from egg laying to sealing is 8/9 days then you can split them anytime. just make sure that you do it before they are sealed or they will most likely swarm before you get around to splitting them. Bees tend to swarm as soon as they seal the queen cells, depending on weather conditions albert Article 32089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: 17 May 2002 15:34:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205171434.100fab22@posting.google.com> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021674885 4954 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 22:34:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 22:34:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32089 Adam, Thanks. I guess I got it backwards. In that case it does not seem so "one-sided" genetics. Eric adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > In article <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com>, > Eric Vincill wrote: > > > > Does a queen have haploid chromosomes like it's daughters? If so > >does that not mean that queens and daugters are genetically identical? > > However males, I know, are diploid--one set from the queen egg and > >one set from the sperm that the queen carries around from the time of > >mating. > > Queens and workers are diploid. Drones are haploid. Queens lay haploid eggs, > which are ferilized and become diploid, or remain haploid and produce more > drones. > > Drones are "flying gametes" of the queen. Each drone's billions of sperm are > genetically identical. > > >This raises very interesting questions on how honeybees have > >evolved, because to me, it seems very one-sided and would have reduced > >it's genepool to almost nothing in a very short time resulting in a > >wimpy, disease suseptible species. Oh, wait! They ARE a disease > >suseptible species. > > This happens all the time: selection is happening as we observe > the world. We're in the midst of it. Often whole populations of > species will go extinct. > Adam Article 32090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking of Hives Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:26:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3ce20d4e$1@news.airtel.net> <0BQE8.111300$YQ1.36155005@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 49 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32090 Hey, I see a growth industry here. Put a chip on each Bees ear (do Bee's have ears?). Or maybe a little wrist bracelet? I wouldn't want to brand them, though I suppose some might chose that approach instead. I would brand each varoa and tracheal mite though - I'm sure they don't have ears or wrists. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:0BQE8.111300$YQ1.36155005@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Airtel" wrote > > > Could someone comment on how the keep track "officially" of the hives. > > > > Here in Spain we are working of the first draft of a bill which will > require > > to have the hives dully mark down, numbered, and a log-book. > > Beekeepers routinely brand their equipment with a brand name. Mine is a > number that is registered with my county, so that it is traceable to me. But > all equipment is branded with the same number. > > > As per the cows, lambs... the law is that they must wear a chip in the > ear. > > Please some comments on the hive markings, how it works in different > > countries, > > states... > > Trying to mark every hive with a different number, and keeping track of > individual colonies of bees for regulatory purposes would be pure > foolishness. Bees are moved around in equipment too much in normal > beekeeping. Nucs are made; bees die out; swarm; sometimes they even abscond. > The records would be irrelevant. > > The only reason I could comprehend for keeping track of individual > swarms would be for breeding records, or scientific experiments. > > > > Article 32091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:51:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1021744267 12.81.126.199 (Sat, 18 May 2002 17:51:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:51:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32091 Plant whatever pleases you. 1/3 acre won't make much difference as far as bees go. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Wuffman" wrote in message news:NplF8.1837$8t.1656@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am going to be getting my bees newxt week, I know its a bit late and I am > not planning on getting any honey this year... but I would like to have 2 > good hives for this winter. > > I have about 1/3 of an acre here that I can till under and plant. I was > wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and into the > early winter that the bees would like to have... > > I live in Salem oregon... > > Brian > > Article 32092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:05:30 -0400 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021748732 24329008 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32092 For field crops, maybe not. But in Black Locust or Tulip Poplar trees it might (although the payback period is a little long). If kept weed free, 1/3 acre of anise hyssop would have a decent return in honey (and is perennial here). If I remember correctly, that would be about 300 lb honey potential. If you like dark honey, buckwheat could be timed to bloom when your bees need it, and you have 1/3 acre of a saleable crop (although a tough one to harvest and market with that small an acreage). Generally, annuals are not cost effective (although red or white clover might be in your area), perennials are more likely to pay back over time. Shrubs edge into long term profitability, and trees are definitely so. But, the two latter are long paybacks. Best to find what flowers in your area and exactly when. Then, plant perennials, shrubs or trees that will flower during the dearth periods -- that is when 1/3 acre can make a visible difference. If you plant to bloom when free sources are available, you either get zero return (if yours is less attractive) or simply cut into the honey that would have come from other sources. Keith Delaplane did a series on the subject in about 1992 Am. Bee Journal. "George Styer" wrote in message news:fwwF8.29475$Vm2.1333182@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Plant whatever pleases you. 1/3 acre won't make much difference as far as > bees go. Article 32093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cells and swarming time Date: 17 May 2002 21:54:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0205172054.2d7fb2eb@posting.google.com> References: <5564f45f.0205161247.3bd12aba@posting.google.com> <4169b71c.0205171153.13c8c1b1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021697666 12568 127.0.0.1 (18 May 2002 04:54:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2002 04:54:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32093 > bearing in mind that from egg laying to sealing is 8/9 days then you > can split them anytime. just make sure that you do it before they are > sealed or they will most likely swarm before you get around to > splitting them. Bees tend to swarm as soon as they seal the queen > cells, depending on weather conditions > albert I appreciate very much all the responses and help! Thank you very much everyone! I have one more question, which way is better to make the new nuke with new queen cells, (from the same hive) or with the old queen? Again, thank you, Fr. Athanasios Article 32094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020516183555.11955.00000072@mb-co.aol.com> Subject: Re: honey wholesale price? Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:06:44 +0200 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.230 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.230 Message-ID: <3ce5e1b3@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1021698483 212.166.159.230 (18 May 2002 07:08:03 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32094 The price of the Honey is fixed daily on the Buenos Aires Commodites Exchange(Argentia). The bulk price of 1 kilo is about USD $ 1,20 in a 300 liters drum. (plus freight, drum, import taxes...). But the monofloral 1 kilo can go up to $ 1,40. Certified organic 1 kilo $ 1,60. Check further on internet thru www.google.com under "commodites honey price" Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas "Lazurus106" escribió en el mensaje news:20020516183555.11955.00000072@mb-co.aol.com... > The bulk price of honey for top quality wildflower is around 70 cents a lb in > the states and after it been tested here. after ahipping and paying any tariffs > you could make oh 2-3 cents a pound. You think i;m being negative Nope we have > problems when it cost about 80-85 cents a pound to raise honey. > Cheers, > Dave > Article 32095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Planting flowers for the bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 05:13:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021698797 67.227.219.205 (Fri, 17 May 2002 22:13:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:13:17 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32095 I am going to be getting my bees newxt week, I know its a bit late and I am not planning on getting any honey this year... but I would like to have 2 good hives for this winter. I have about 1/3 of an acre here that I can till under and plant. I was wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and into the early winter that the bees would like to have... I live in Salem oregon... Brian Article 32096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Copper salts for treating Varroa Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-167-70.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1021707262 26821 213.1.167.70 (18 May 2002 07:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:34:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32096 A while ago we had a lecture at the bee club on the use of Neam oil in controlling varroa. During the course of the talk the man said that some of the most promising research seemed to lie in the area of medicating with copper salts. The report at www.beekeeping.com/articles/us/cupric_salts.pdf seems to give good information. Has anyone any experience or opinions on there use, or the reported information? Article 32097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: 18 May 2002 23:39:23 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.86 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021765163 24534634 216.167.143.86 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet.net!news.shlink.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.86!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32097 "Wuffman" wrote in news:NplF8.1837$8t.1656@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: > I was > wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and > into the early winter that the bees would like to have... Thai Basil This plant requires full sun and can stand it hot and dryish too, but it does best on fertile loam with regular moisture. Thai Basil gives off a pleasant aroma from the leaves and the blossoms. They produce a ton of seeds in the fall and thousands of new basil plants will re-appear in the Spring, like an exotic 'weed.' They will bloom continuously through the Summer and always be covered in bees. If you like to cook the leaves provide a fine addition to any salad containing tomatoes, and do also well in sauces based on tomatoes too. I've found them helpful in warding off unwanted insects, so plant them all around your garden. You can pull up some of the plants before they start to bloom and hang them to dry in a dark place, then bottle the dry leaves. These will last for years in jars and get stronger with age. If there's Oriental restaurants near you that serve those large bowls of soup, they like, sprigs of this basil are de rigueur with fresh lettuce and bean sprouts; I would think they would buy all you could supply. Thai Basil will continue to bloom until it freezes http://store.yahoo.com/seedsofchange/bascerortha.html or do a google search C K Article 32098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey wholesale price? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ngpost-m1.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 2002 03:39:51 GMT References: <3ce5e1b3@news.airtel.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20020518233951.00869.00000386@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32098 Huh, So just what steps are taken and standards are required to call honey ORGANIC? especially in Argentina! Certification! is this another of those quaint forign names for a BRIBE! In The US there are no such standards in exsistance. Because even the most knowledgable people (the national honey board) can decide what that would mean? Besides the obvious that if you are not using chemicals you don't have bees. Thanks to the agrentine for the africanized bee with there blasted mites. Anyone telling you differant is probably selling something (Bad honey). A doller 20 cents for honey maybe we (US beekeepers) need to sell our honey to Argentina scince the bulk packers here were getting it from agentina and china by the ship load for the last 10 years or so for 15-25 cents a lb. And dumping it on the US market when they can get it past the tests for high levels of pestisides and other poisons that they have had a habit of showing. Lets get real guys, read your American Bee Journal, or Bee Gleanings and get the real information. Almost as angry as this sounds but really! Stay informed! but get the real facts then look at them closly. Heck don't belive me do you own looking. Cheers, Dave Article 32099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Insect Classifieds Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_CFF8.49$Ro2.43@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 04:12:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.131.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021781562 209.178.131.239 (Sat, 18 May 2002 21:12:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:12:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!19ded2f8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32099 for all your insect needs: http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Article 32100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 04:41:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021783304 67.227.212.228 (Sat, 18 May 2002 21:41:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:41:44 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32100 WOW at the price of that seed I could let it flower ( since that is what I want anyway) and collect the seeds. $12 - $15 an ounce Brian Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:Xns9212BDE15F970ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "Wuffman" wrote in > news:NplF8.1837$8t.1656@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: > > > I was > > wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and > > into the early winter that the bees would like to have... > > Thai Basil > > This plant requires full sun and can stand it hot and dryish too, > but it does best on fertile loam with regular moisture. Thai > Basil gives off a pleasant aroma from the leaves and the blossoms. > They produce a ton of seeds in the fall and thousands of new basil > plants will re-appear in the Spring, like an exotic 'weed.' They > will bloom continuously through the Summer and always be covered > in bees. > > If you like to cook the leaves provide a fine addition to any > salad containing tomatoes, and do also well in sauces based on > tomatoes too. I've found them helpful in warding off unwanted > insects, so plant them all around your garden. You can pull up > some of the plants before they start to bloom and hang them to dry > in a dark place, then bottle the dry leaves. These will last for > years in jars and get stronger with age. If there's Oriental > restaurants near you that serve those large bowls of soup, they > like, sprigs of this basil are de rigueur with fresh lettuce and > bean sprouts; I would think they would buy all you could supply. > Thai Basil will continue to bloom until it freezes > > http://store.yahoo.com/seedsofchange/bascerortha.html > > or do a google search > > C K > > > Article 32101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: InsectNet.com Newsletter - May 18, 2002 Lines: 147 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 05:14:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.131.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021785290 209.178.131.120 (Sat, 18 May 2002 22:14:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:14:50 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!19ded2f8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32101 *************************************** InsectNet.com Newsletter - May 18, 2002 *************************************** In this issue: + Upcoming Insect Trade Shows + New advertisers on InsectNet.com + New Insect Classifieds procedures + InsectNet.com Forum Upgrade + Advertising products for insect traders + Unsubscribe / Subscribe to this newsletter 1) UPCOMING INSECT TRADE SHOWS - * Insect Fair 2002 * Saturday and Sunday, May 25-26, 2002 Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County 900 Exposition Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90007 [South of the 10 and 100 freeway interchange, between the Los Angeles Coliseum and the USC campus] For more information contact: Brent Karner Insect Zoo Coordinator 900 Exposition Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90007 213-763-3558 2) NEW ADVERTISERS ON INSECTNET.COM - Please welcome: AUSTRALIAN INSECT FARM - Breeding and researching Australian native insect species for over 15 years. 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Happy hunting, - Clark Thompson, administrator http://www.insectnet.com Article 32102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:05:04 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021831506 24784888 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32102 Except that the basil is sterile - so no seed is formed. That is why it keeps blooming. The best variety is African Blue. Other basils will set seed, at which point the plants shuts down flowering and new leaves. From those in the nursery trade here (and sources I have located), all African Blue is propagated vegetatively. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:c2GF8.4$p64.1@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > WOW at the price of that seed I could let it flower ( since that is what I > want anyway) and collect the seeds. $12 - $15 an ounce Article 32103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <5XTF8.1209$Z_2.701@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:29:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021840193 67.227.212.228 (Sun, 19 May 2002 13:29:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:29:53 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32103 Do you have a copy of that artical you could scan for me? KOland wrote in message news:ac68lr$n6epg$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > For field crops, maybe not. But in Black Locust or Tulip Poplar trees it > might (although the payback period is a little long). > If kept weed free, 1/3 acre of anise hyssop would have a decent return in > honey (and is perennial here). If I remember correctly, that would be about > 300 lb honey potential. If you like dark honey, buckwheat could be timed to > bloom when your bees need it, and you have 1/3 acre of a saleable crop > (although a tough one to harvest and market with that small an acreage). > > Generally, annuals are not cost effective (although red or white clover > might be in your area), perennials are more likely to pay back over time. > Shrubs edge into long term profitability, and trees are definitely so. But, > the two latter are long paybacks. Best to find what flowers in your area > and exactly when. Then, plant perennials, shrubs or trees that will flower > during the dearth periods -- that is when 1/3 acre can make a visible > difference. If you plant to bloom when free sources are available, you > either get zero return (if yours is less attractive) or simply cut into the > honey that would have come from other sources. Keith Delaplane did a series > on the subject in about 1992 Am. Bee Journal. > > > "George Styer" wrote in message > news:fwwF8.29475$Vm2.1333182@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Plant whatever pleases you. 1/3 acre won't make much difference as far as > > bees go. > > > Article 32104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:44:07 -0500 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 8 Frame bodies? Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.19.94.12 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1021841091 64.19.94.12 (19 May 2002 16:44:51 -0400) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!shot.codefab.com!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32104 Does anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps?  Seems to me last year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could purchase 8 frame bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)...

J Article 32105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey wholesale price? Date: 19 May 2002 18:19:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <993fd181.0205191719.35a7c7b5@posting.google.com> References: <3ce5e1b3@news.airtel.net> <20020518233951.00869.00000386@mb-fj.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021857574 31278 127.0.0.1 (20 May 2002 01:19:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2002 01:19:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32105 > A doller 20 cents for honey maybe we (US beekeepers) need to sell our honey to > Argentina scince the bulk packers here were getting it from agentina and china > by the ship load for the last 10 years or so for 15-25 cents a lb. And dumping > it on the US market Contries around the world have been setting up their rural folks into beekeeping with the idea of selling the honey here for the strong US dollar.Cant blame them for that .A chinese beekeeper can make the equivalent of30 or 40 dollars a month,and apparently live pretty well.The way I see it ,theres something really haywire in the way money is valued and traded,and it ends up with someone (maybe everyone)getting taken advantage of. I know the Argentine beekeepers werent too thrilled with the price they were getting,and now their whole economy is crashing and burning.As the US dollar loses value against other currencies(inevitable)a lot of this will work itself out.This whole trend of the overvalued dollar has caused a lot of grief here in the productive sector and will have to change.I'd like to see each country develop their local markets,in the long run that would be more sustainable than sending it here. ----Mike Article 32106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:37:01 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <5XTF8.1209$Z_2.701@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021901842 25256738 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!area.cu.mi.it!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32106 It was a series of articles, I don't have them all. But this page is a good reference that has much of his information on it: http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/bee_pubs/conservation/bee_conservation.htm "Wuffman" wrote in message news:5XTF8.1209$Z_2.701@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Do you have a copy of that artical you could scan for me? > > Article 32107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pkg. bees still available?? Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:45:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 36 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32107 I'm getting a nuc from lagrants in the next two weeks..... He's in Ware, Mass and a pleasure to deal with. I ordered several weeks ago, so you should check since it takes time to draw the frames. He's listed on www.beesource.com. Besides, the name of the town is a lot of fun.. "Where are you going? Ware. That's what I'm asking. I'm going to Ware. Yes, where are going...." enjoy. "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:kb6F8.22177$cT2.1998953@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > We are still getting them here in NB, I have 5 Nooks coming next week. You > can try the NB Bee Keeper Association for contacts.. 1-506-357-5444 ask for > Ruth.... Ken.... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "Joe" wrote in message > news:f11c398c.0205120305.55eb9997@posting.google.com... > > Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, > > or is it a fat chance, this late... > > > > I'm in MA. > > > > thanks! > > Article 32108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Hives Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:52:27 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 88 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32108 Just for reference, there is a local bee club here that does a group deal each year to irradiate hives. You pay for a large container no matter how full it is so it takes a group to make it worthwhile. Everything dies - spores, bacteria, beetles, anthrax, whatever. They claim no radioactive residue, but I'll leave that argument for those spiritual about it (I don't believe there is any harm to using gamma rays on wood and wax - but hey, it's just an opinion). Anyway, the group price is apparently reasonable enough to get people to fill the container each year. Your mileage may vary. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:svQE8.111270$YQ1.36150280@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Wuffman" wrote > > > Ok before anyone tells me how stupid I am for buying used hives. I got > them > > from a guy that said that he bought out a large lot 140 full hives from an > > older man that he knows. Igot me 4 deeps and 4 westerns and 2 bottom > boards > > and 2 top boards for 50.00 full of frames with drawn comb... So If I loose > > on the deal Im not going to cry too much and next year Ill build new ones > > and start over. > > Beware of buying foulbrood. If you do, as I did, when I first started > keeping bees, you will regret it for years... see: > http://www.pollinator.com/afbscale.htm > > > Here are some questions I have.... > > > > 1> some of the combs in the deeps, are very dark in color are they still > oK > > to use or should I scrap them and put new foundation in them. > > If they are free of foulbrood, no problem. I've had frames almost 50 years > old, and the comb was quite dark. > > > 2> Some of the deeps have white stuff in them Should I just burn these > > frames or can I leave them as is and let the bees clean them out? > > Dunno what you mean? wax worm cocoons? Varroa mite droppings in > individual cells? Bees will clean up varroa droppings as they polish out > cells. Wax worm cocoons should be pretty much scraped out, as bees usually > propolize over them. If they are on the ends of the frames, they will glue > the frames into the box. > > > > 3> how much damage to the comb can bee done for the bees to be able to > > repare it? some of the frames hage big voids of foundation or comb. > > Bees will build back a frame with a hole in the comb, if you put it > between two good frames of comb, unless it had wires running thru it. I > sometimes reuse combs this way for supers, but snip the wires, so they don't > run comb crossways. Most often the hole will be filled with drone sized > cells. Bees need to have some drone cells, or they will rip out worker brood > cells to make drone cells. But if they have too much they will raise too > many drones. > > > I am getting me some nucs next week. I took all the frames that were > yellow > > or light brown and had none of ot the white stuff on them and got 2 full > > suppers so I should be ok for 1 hive... > > Ayup. With the understanding that you have no foulbrood scale. > > > Also these hives are just the 2 deeps 2 westerns a top board and a bottom > > board. Do I need to get a inner cover? > > Few commercial beekeepers use inner covers anymore. They provide more > hiding spots for the afrobeetles. > > > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > Article 32109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:48:11 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b4.7d.31 X-Server-Date: 20 May 2002 23:53:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32109 Brian, I like the recommendation to plant for the dearth season. However, you might plant for the harvest of pollen instead of honey. Pollen is continuously collected by bees and can be harvested with a pollen trap. Local pollen is widely sought after by health food stores for allergy relief. 1/3 acre should be plenty to attract the bees to the pollen. Contact your local Cooperative Extension Service and talk with the horticulturist for the best choice in your area. He or she should be able to point you to a local bee club, also. TJ "Wuffman" wrote in message news:NplF8.1837$8t.1656@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am going to be getting my bees newxt week, I know its a bit late and I am > not planning on getting any honey this year... but I would like to have 2 > good hives for this winter. > > I have about 1/3 of an acre here that I can till under and plant. I was > wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and into the > early winter that the bees would like to have... > > I live in Salem oregon... > > Brian > > Article 32110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Hives Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:11:22 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b4.7d.31 X-Server-Date: 21 May 2002 00:16:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32110 Brian, First, I think you did very well. I started with used equipment and will continue to use it. 1. Dark Comb. The queen prefers dark comb! It is very ok to use. However, varroa mites also like the dark comb. Be sure to check for them. 2. If you have time, stack your supers with the comb in them and then place moth crystals in them to kill any bugs and the eggs/larvae of the wax moth. Be sure to air them for a few hours before placing them on an active hive or adding bees. The moth crystals are NOT the same as standard moth balls. The active ingredient you want is PDB or paradichlorobenzene. Since you have drawn comb, I would treat the hives with teramaycin (sp?). This will get rid of problems with AFB (American Foul Brood). Also, contact your state Bee Inspector for more information. Many states require hives to be registered. If your state is one of them, the inspector can tell you what happened to the previous owner's hives. 3. As far as damage to comb... I frequently cut out drone comb in brood frames. The bees usually repair this section. Though I am careful not to cut to the support wires or remove it from both sides. If it is too bad a shape, replace it. 4. Yes, you need an inner cover. It is very helpful in maintaining appropriate "bee space" and in top feeding (occasionally, I will fill a ziplock bag with 1:1 sugar water/syrup, lay it on the inner cover, and slice an X on the top - works well). Brian, buy a few books on beekeeping and read them. Join a local beekeeping association - their experience is invaluable. Hope this helped. TJ KY-Beeman "Wuffman" wrote in message news:uqHE8.1743$HE2.158110@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Ok before anyone tells me how stupid I am for buying used hives. I got them > from a guy that said that he bought out a large lot 140 full hives from an > older man that he knows. Igot me 4 deeps and 4 westerns and 2 bottom boards > and 2 top boards for 50.00 full of frames with drawn comb... So If I loose > on the deal Im not going to cry too much and next year Ill build new ones > and start over. > > Here are some questions I have.... > > 1> some of the combs in the deeps, are very dark in color are they still oK > to use or should I scrap them and put new foundation in them. > > 2> Some of the deeps have white stuff in them Should I just burn these > frames or can I leave them as is and let the bees clean them out? > > 3> how much damage to the comb can bee done for the bees to be able to > repare it? some of the frames hage big voids of foundation or comb. > > I am getting me some nucs next week. I took all the frames that were yellow > or light brown and had none of ot the white stuff on them and got 2 full > suppers so I should be ok for 1 hive... > > Also these hives are just the 2 deeps 2 westerns a top board and a bottom > board. Do I need to get a inner cover? > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Lines: 60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20041.68802CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:00:52 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-SxFnOzR4sxRFeqEbuAbVb2Y0oZV/CUFKSJX5SMqOyub5BBxMgkNeO7c/LXdpBuiOgBGjhUkJ91xqoZZ!YLrMIIIQfs5dMRP9MHaj5IDxSx8JfW32XkxtD6WVwhyRV+fb2RiPhbvdrfgp0BZqeew7IGA+LdGl!MiQnGGm3FAI06nE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:00:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32112 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20041.68802CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do you live? I have a lot of 8 frame hive bodies. I'd be willing to sell. Many of them have never been assembled. They aren't deeps though, they're mediums. Mark in West Texas "Lady Java" wrote in message news:3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com... Does anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps? Seems to me last year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could purchase 8 frame bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)... J ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20041.68802CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Where do you live?  I have a lot of 8 frame = hive=20 bodies.  I'd be willing to sell.  Many of them have never been = assembled.  They aren't deeps though, they're mediums.
 
Mark in West Texas
"Lady Java" <ladyjava@thesitefights.com= >=20 wrote in message news:3CE81CA6.329C4393@= thesitefights.com...
Does=20 anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps?  Seems to = me last=20 year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could purchase 8 = frame=20 bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)...=20

J

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C20041.68802CE0-- Article 32113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> Subject: Re: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 03:24:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.147.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1021951456 66.69.147.80 (Mon, 20 May 2002 22:24:16 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:24:16 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32113 Somebody is laughing right now. The public and media will believe anything. Since the bee lives ~42 days and they are being born everyday, I guess each hive comes with a full time trainer. Ha! What a load of bunk this story is. I'll bet the person behind it is enjoying a nice big budget though. Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com "alacat" wrote in message news:3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net... > Not sure what I think about this. > > Pentagon Training Bees To Swarm Into Action > Independent (UK) | 5-14-2002 | Andrew Buncombe > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=294845 > > > The Pentagon is preparing a sting operation with a difference - training > ordinary bees to smell out explosives, drugs and even to > help clear minefields. > > For the past three years government-funded scientists have been doing > tests, training bees to detect materials other than pollen. > Officials hope that they could be used as apian sniffer dogs, swarming > into action when required. > > In two tests last year, bees were able to detect two trucks tainted with > explosives. Scientists say the bees are at least as > sensitive to odours as dogs. > > "The preliminary results have so far been very encouraging," said a > spokeswoman for the Defence Advanced Research > Projects Agency, which is funded by the Pentagon. > > The bees are trained to detect the various substances by a simple method > of reward association. Scientists at the Air Force > research laboratory in Texas said the bees were successful in 99 per > cent of tests. "One of the methods is to associate the > odour with a food source," they said. > > The Pentagon is considering establishing bee colonies near security > checkpoints. > Article 32114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CE9E35F.E747DC4A@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" References: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:04:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1021961184 204.2.54.201 (Tue, 21 May 2002 06:06:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:06:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32114 Robert, I suggest you read a little more on the methods, it is not individual bees being trained, but hive food source preferences. JJ Robert Talk wrote: > > Somebody is laughing right now. The public and media will believe anything. > Since the bee lives ~42 days and they are being born everyday, I guess each > hive comes with a full time trainer. Ha! What a load of bunk this story is. > I'll bet the person behind it is enjoying a nice big budget though. > > R Article 32115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Lines: 58 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20071.73CB8F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:45:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1021974302 67.227.212.217 (Tue, 21 May 2002 02:45:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:45:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!inn.jlab.org!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32115 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20071.73CB8F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any reason to use a 8 frame deep over a 10 frame deep? Brian "Lady Java" wrote in message = news:3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com... Does anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps? Seems to = me last year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could = purchase 8 frame bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)...=20 J=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20071.73CB8F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any reason to use a 8 frame = deep over a 10=20 frame deep?
 
Brian
 
"Lady Java" <ladyjava@thesitefights.com= >=20 wrote in message news:3CE81CA6.329C4393@= thesitefights.com...
Does=20 anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps?  Seems to = me last=20 year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could purchase 8 = frame=20 bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)...=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20071.73CB8F60-- Article 32116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pentagon training bees to "swarm into action" Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:48:38 -0400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3CE077BE.811080E0@i-1.net> <3CE9E35F.E747DC4A@dcnet2000.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1021988920 26197967 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32116 Of course, it helps that bees naturally are attracted to something in explosives (and have been a known pest in dynamite areas for years). "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote in message news:3CE9E35F.E747DC4A@dcnet2000.com... > Robert, > I suggest you read a little more on the methods, it is > not individual bees being trained, but hive food source > preferences. > JJ > > Robert Talk wrote: > > > > Somebody is laughing right now. The public and media will believe anything. > > Since the bee lives ~42 days and they are being born everyday, I guess each > > hive comes with a full time trainer. Ha! What a load of bunk this story is. > > I'll bet the person behind it is enjoying a nice big budget though. > > > > R Article 32117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Hives Date: 21 May 2002 12:44:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0205211144.789e5a70@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.185.124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022010274 28582 127.0.0.1 (21 May 2002 19:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2002 19:44:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32117 "Traveler" wrote in message news:... > Brian, > > First, I think you did very well. > I started with used equipment and will continue to use it. > > 1. Dark Comb. The queen prefers dark comb! It is very ok to use. > However, varroa mites also like the dark comb. Be sure to check for them. > > 2. If you have time, stack your supers with the comb in them and then > place moth crystals in them to kill any bugs and the eggs/larvae of the I dont agree that queens like dark combs but there you go. I would suggest that you cut all the old comb out of the frames and burn it. Boil the frames in soda (lye?) water that will disinfect them and clean them up. Then scorch all of the old hive bodies and lightly sand the black charcol off of them(you dont want the bees running dirt over your brood!) this way your bees wont get disease. I am always wary of buying second hand stuff but providing you dont use the old combs you should be ok Albert Article 32118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Date: 21 May 2002 20:20:22 GMT Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.242 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022012422 26265626 216.167.143.242 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.242!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32118 "KOland" wrote in news:ac8pgh$nkbvo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de: > Except that the basil is sterile - so no seed is formed. That > is why it keeps blooming. The best variety is African Blue. > Other basils will set seed, at which point the plants shuts > down flowering and new leaves. This statement is complete disinformation..I really wish you would be more careful and read the previous post where I said: >>They (Thai Basil) produce a ton of seeds in the fall and >>thousands of new basil plants will re-appear in the Spring, >>like an exotic 'weed.' They will bloom continuously through >>the Summer and always be covered in bees. I didn't say this because someone in the 'nursery' trade told me, I said it because I have the experience of what I'm talking about. When I say Thai Basil (there is only one Thai Basil) produces a lot of seed that germinate into new plants in the spring I was shitting you not. To say, "no seed is formed" is just another example of the national insanity (and tedium) >> "Wuffman" wrote in message >> news:c2GF8.4$p64.1@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... >> WOW at the price of that seed I could let it flower ( since >> that is what I want anyway) and collect the seeds. $12 - $15 >> an ounce That's right.. twenty healthy plants will after the first frost, dry up. The flowering pods will contain, at their base, lots of little black seeds. If you pull up these plants and hang them in a dry shed until they get really 'crinkly' you can then lay down a sheet (white is important as you will see) break off the flower pods on each plant then crush them (over the sheet) by rolling or however you want. With a 'lot' of work and patience, you will have a pile of dried flowers and stems that can be gently blown away to reveal little mounds of seeds. How you separate the seeds from the chafe, I leave it to you, (I use a deep screened straining bowl) and gentle air pressure, but nonetheless, you will produce from those twenty plants, approximately 4 to 5 ounces of seed. Based on the prices charged by "seeds of change" and assuming you had a lot of buyers, and say you allowed a generous two square feet for each plant, that would be a modest 7,260 plants. (1/3 acre) and assuming again, the "assay" above, i.e. 4.5 ounces of seed per 20 plants, that would be a reasonable 1633 ounces of seed produced, which for rest of the world, comes to 46.3kg. If that was sold at 12 USD an ounce, you've made 19,602 USD. When you have this many Thai Basil seeds, During the winter you can sprout them in a jar for an addition to any salad with tomatoes; they have a great aroma, providing a nice sense of well being. The dried and woody plants shed of their make great tender to start your fire. The smoke from these dried plants smell just like marijuana; impress your neighbors who it must be said, may 'inform'(they're encouraged to do so) on you to "Homeland Security" wherein the DEA (or similar) will burst into your house, (some night) shoot your pet and drag you off. A few weeks later the misunderstanding can be resolved with your court appointed attorney. Steps to get your children, wife (if any) and property returned, can now begin; still a cracking adventure. C.K. Article 32119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEAAFF0.3070703@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pkg. bees still available?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.12.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1022013771 151.203.12.238 (Tue, 21 May 2002 16:42:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:42:51 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32119 Yes Just got my first bees from them this weekend. Very good people. Charles Puffer me wrote: > I'm getting a nuc from lagrants in the next two weeks..... He's in Ware, > Mass and a pleasure to deal with. I ordered several weeks ago, so you > should check since it takes time to draw the frames. He's listed on > www.beesource.com. > > Besides, the name of the town is a lot of fun.. "Where are you going? > Ware. That's what I'm asking. I'm going to Ware. Yes, where are > going...." > > enjoy. > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message > news:kb6F8.22177$cT2.1998953@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > >>We are still getting them here in NB, I have 5 Nooks coming next week. You >>can try the NB Bee Keeper Association for contacts.. 1-506-357-5444 ask > > for > >>Ruth.... Ken.... >> >>-- >>Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books >> >> >> >> >>"Joe" wrote in message >>news:f11c398c.0205120305.55eb9997@posting.google.com... >> >>>Anyone know of any package bee dealers that are still taking orders, >>>or is it a fat chance, this late... >>> >>>I'm in MA. >>> >>>thanks! >> >> > > Article 32120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Holly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do?! Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:10:35 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <20020516105838.06778.00000019@mb-mr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bordeaux-208-2-86.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1022022636 8551 80.12.133.86 (21 May 2002 23:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2002 23:10:36 GMT Keywords: X-No-Archive: Yes X-No-Archive: Yes X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32120 Dave Green wrote in message > > "Holly" wrote snip > > > I really don't want to kill the bees, but I guess leaving > > them in the wall of the house is not a good idea?? > > Some of it depends on your attitude. When I was a kid, > we had a swarm of bees come into the wall in the back > of our house, and they were there for years. They didn't > bother us, and we didn't bother them. Meanwhile we had > bountiful gardens. big snip for brevity..... Thanks so much Dave for your most useful advice. Also thanks to Scott for the link to bee excluder design, which I had already found but which looks impractical since the bees are going in and out of various holes in a very uneven stone wall. Not impossible though, and if the need arises we will try that before poisoning. For the moment I am letting the bees stay put. I appreciate that this may cause problems in the longer term if we decide they have to go, but we will take that risk. They are only a problem in that the window opening they use is directly above the kitchen doors, which are open almost all the time, other windows can have insect screens. We will try to block off the two front window openings, which they currently use, with netting etc and hope that they can be persuaded to come and go from the back window instead. > To permanently provide for your pollination needs, you > probably will have to be a keeper, because bees have much > less chance of suviving unattended nowadays. Yes, I will continue to look into this, depending on how things go. Thanks again, Holly Article 32121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Date: 21 May 2002 18:07:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.52.93.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022029649 4402 127.0.0.1 (22 May 2002 01:07:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2002 01:07:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32121 I have seen them in the Brushy Mountain Catalog (http://www.beeequipment.com/). Hope this helps. Charles "Wuffman" wrote in message news:... > Is there any reason to use a 8 frame deep over a 10 frame deep? > > Brian > > "Lady Java" wrote in message > news:3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com... > Does anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps? Seems to > me last year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could > purchase 8 frame bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)... > J > > > -- Article 32122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEAFE83.34F3ADE8@thesitefights.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:12:19 -0500 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.19.90.171 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1022029979 64.19.90.171 (21 May 2002 21:12:59 -0400) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32122 Unfortunately, I live across the country from you, in Northern NY.  If I can get my husband to mill me up some nice pine (we have 200 acres worth in back that he built his garage from), I feel confident I can make my own.  I am checking out the Burshy Mountain link that was given below to see if I can find anything there...

J
 

Me wrote:

Where do you live?  I have a lot of 8 frame hive bodies.  I'd be willing to sell.  Many of them have never been assembled.  They aren't deeps though, they're mediums. Mark in West Texas
Article 32123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEAFDA4.E8871E5C@thesitefights.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:08:36 -0500 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.19.90.171 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1022029753 64.19.90.171 (21 May 2002 21:09:13 -0400) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 17 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!shot.codefab.com!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32123 The only reason I prefer them, they're a little bit smaller, and easier for me to handle if I have to lift or move them.  My husband's uncle also ran 8 frame hives commerically (he had over a hundred hives at one point), and seemed to prefer them.

J
 

Wuffman wrote:

Is there any reason to use a 8 frame deep over a 10 frame deep? Brian
Article 32124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: German Bees A. m. mellifera Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:59:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32124 Just out of curiosity, are there any suppliers in the U.S. that have German Bees (maybe for the sake of nostalgia if for no other reason). My Great-Grandfather kept Germans and sold honey on the square in town. Until Varroa became prevalent in Tennessee, it was possible to occasionally catch a nearly pure German swarm, though not likely now. In over 24 years of beekeeping, I can't remember seeing an add selling German Queens in ABJ. I do remember seeing an article in ABJ or Gleanings regarding the supposed ability of Germans to clean up AFB, but at least 50% more colonies would be required to produce the same amount of honey as Italian colonies. Just curious and feeling a little old. -- Muddawg Article 32125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Used Hives Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:17:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022051862 67.227.219.74 (Wed, 22 May 2002 00:17:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:17:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32125 Hmm I went out to move the hives a bit today and on of the hives I saw bees going in and out of.... there seemed to be about 20 -30 bees there so Im woundering if they are a swar that moved in or are they just robbing the place...... I should get my equipment tomarrow or sometime this week in the mail... so I can go out and check it out... I did not want to open the hive with out any gloves on or a vail.... Is it better to put the bee hives on a palat or is it ok to let the bottom board sit on the ground.... I am kinda worried about it rottin out rather fast on hte ground... Is it ok to set a bucket of water on the top of the hive with a chunk of 2x4 in it for the bees.. I just need to put it somewere were the dog won't drink from it... Brian Article 32126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Lines: 99 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:26:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022052383 67.227.219.74 (Wed, 22 May 2002 00:26:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:26:23 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32126 funny..... I bought 1/2 oz of Thai Basil sami surian or something like that... for 9.00 today... I plowed up a good sized chunk of gargden for it and spread them out... Ill just tlet them go to seed this year and pick the pods when the leves are all wilted and let them sit over the winter in a bucket... then Ill just crush them all up ant spread the whole mixture next year... should be enought for the 1/3 acre next year or at leaste enough to be sparce.. and the year after if I just let the pods fallIm looking at someother things... too.. I was talking to another guy that has a wild flower mixture that has differnt plants bloom at differnt times of the summber.. he sells buckets of it and he says its suppose to be really good to attract bees and buterflies.... Brian "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:Xns92159C2B4AC90ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "KOland" wrote in > news:ac8pgh$nkbvo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de: > > > Except that the basil is sterile - so no seed is formed. That > > is why it keeps blooming. The best variety is African Blue. > > Other basils will set seed, at which point the plants shuts > > down flowering and new leaves. > > This statement is complete disinformation..I really wish you > would be more careful and read the previous post where I said: > > >>They (Thai Basil) produce a ton of seeds in the fall and > >>thousands of new basil plants will re-appear in the Spring, > >>like an exotic 'weed.' They will bloom continuously through > >>the Summer and always be covered in bees. > > I didn't say this because someone in the 'nursery' trade told > me, I said it because I have the experience of what I'm talking > about. When I say Thai Basil (there is only one Thai Basil) > produces a lot of seed that germinate into new plants in the > spring I was shitting you not. > > To say, "no seed is formed" is just another example of the > national insanity (and tedium) > > >> "Wuffman" wrote in message > >> news:c2GF8.4$p64.1@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > >> WOW at the price of that seed I could let it flower ( since > >> that is what I want anyway) and collect the seeds. $12 - $15 > >> an ounce > > That's right.. twenty healthy plants will after the first > frost, dry up. The flowering pods will contain, at their base, > lots of little black seeds. If you pull up these plants and > hang them in a dry shed until they get really 'crinkly' you can > then lay down a sheet (white is important as you will see) break > off the flower pods on each plant then crush them (over the > sheet) by rolling or however you want. With a 'lot' of work > and patience, you will have a pile of dried flowers and stems > that can be gently blown away to reveal little mounds of seeds. > > How you separate the seeds from the chafe, I leave it to > you, (I use a deep screened straining bowl) and gentle air > pressure, but nonetheless, you will produce from those twenty > plants, approximately 4 to 5 ounces of seed. > > Based on the prices charged by "seeds of change" and assuming > you had a lot of buyers, and say you allowed a generous two > square feet for each plant, that would be a modest 7,260 plants. > (1/3 acre) and assuming again, the "assay" above, i.e. 4.5 > ounces of seed per 20 plants, that would be a reasonable 1633 > ounces of seed produced, which for rest of the world, comes to > 46.3kg. If that was sold at 12 USD an ounce, you've made 19,602 > USD. > > When you have this many Thai Basil seeds, During the winter you > can sprout them in a jar for an addition to any salad with > tomatoes; they have a great aroma, providing a nice sense of > well being. > > The dried and woody plants shed of their make great tender to > start your fire. The smoke from these dried plants smell just > like marijuana; impress your neighbors who it must be said, may > 'inform'(they're encouraged to do so) on you to "Homeland > Security" wherein the DEA (or similar) will burst into your > house, (some night) shoot your pet and drag you off. A few weeks > later the misunderstanding can be resolved with your court > appointed attorney. > > Steps to get your children, wife (if any) and property returned, > can now begin; still a cracking adventure. > > C.K. > > > > Article 32127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: German Bees A. m. mellifera Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:46:50 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.b1 X-Server-Date: 22 May 2002 13:47:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32127 No breeders produce apis melifera m. these days because the stock cannot be maintained. As you stated, varroa killed a majority of the feral colonies and the killed colonies where replaced by domestic stock such as Italians. There are pockets along the US that still have the little black bees--mainly along and in the Appalachian mountains. I think there has been a steady movement away from the German bees since they are less resistance to disease. They can also be fierce when worked and tend to cluster around the queen and fall off the comb; the list of negatives goes on and on. But I feel the same way, I wouldn't mind having a colony to see how beekeeping was when my great grandpa kept bees. The ironic thing is my grandpa said he had a colony of Italians and those things where by far the meanest; it must have been a fluke. Happy and Productive Beekeeping to You, Christopher Petree Article 32128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: German Bees A. m. mellifera Date: 22 May 2002 19:11:12 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.22 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022094672 27041616 216.167.138.22 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.22!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32128 "Muddawg" wrote in news:uem5gho264ime3@corp.supernews.com: > Just out of curiosity, are there any suppliers in the U.S. that have > German Bees (maybe for the sake of nostalgia if for no other reason). You could always buy Buckfast bees from B Weaver in Navasota, Texas they were developed by a German, a kind of English German. C.K. Article 32129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEC0CCF.4E87DBD9@yahoo.com> From: EveningStar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.63.165.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 1022102788 148.63.165.91 (Wed, 22 May 2002 17:26:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:26:06 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:26:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32129 I'm absolutely new to this & yes I've joined the local association. Any know of a company that is still selling packages at this point that can ship to Colorado? Maureen Article 32130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: MaGa Subject: Another Verroa post.. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e233734.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CEC2BAD.A0CD96BA@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:37:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!news.cse.sc.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32130 Was it here, or somewhere else on the net where I was reading about bees uncapping cells, looking inside, and removing larva with mites on them? I saw a mature worker dragging an immature worker, with a mite, out of the hive this last weekend. Article 32131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Verroa post.. Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:39:09 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <3CEC2BAD.A0CD96BA@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZjSbZbG20yWnbqC+fcboQt7iptyiOnkGc3N/UVzfU5PYjHrraP1cXp X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2002 03:39:43 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32131 http://www.beesource.com/mitechew/index.htm > Was it here, or somewhere else on the net where I was reading about bees > uncapping cells, looking inside, and removing larva with mites on them? Article 32132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com> <75213ab.0205171434.100fab22@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: genetics question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:11:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022134299 67.200.206.171 (Wed, 22 May 2002 23:11:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:11:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32132 "Eric Vincill" wrote in message news:75213ab.0205171434.100fab22@posting.google.com... > Adam, > > Thanks. I guess I got it backwards. In that case it does not > seem so "one-sided" genetics. > > Eric > > > adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > > In article <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com>, > > Eric Vincill wrote: > > > > > > Does a queen have haploid chromosomes like it's daughters? If so > > >does that not mean that queens and daugters are genetically identical? > > > However males, I know, are diploid--one set from the queen egg and > > >one set from the sperm that the queen carries around from the time of > > >mating. > > > > Queens and workers are diploid. Drones are haploid. Queens lay haploid eggs, > > which are ferilized and become diploid, or remain haploid and produce more > > drones. > > > > Drones are "flying gametes" of the queen. Each drone's billions of sperm are > > genetically identical. The drones, although haploid, are not genetically identical. In Mendelian genetics, if queen bees have two pairs of chromosomes, she can produce 4 (2^2) genetically different drones. If queens have 23 pairs like people, she can produce 8,388,608 (2^23) genetically different drones. In actuality, the numbers are higher since chromosomes break up and rejoin in different fashion occasionally. The drones are probably playing a role in natural selection as well as the queens. Does anyone know the number of chromosomes in a queen? Article 32133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CEC2BAD.A0CD96BA@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Subject: Re: Another Verroa post.. Lines: 15 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:14:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.246.192 X-Trace: NewsReader 1022138952 217.34.246.192 (Thu, 23 May 2002 08:29:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:29:12 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed3!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32133 Caution should be exercised when looking at uncapped brood and believing it is all verroa. Some of the pictures this link show what could be a symptom of the greater wax moth, look for lines of cells uncapped where the larva burrow along the centre of the foundation and the brood cells are built out from this. Keith "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B911CE8C.AB5E%barry@birkey.com... > http://www.beesource.com/mitechew/index.htm Article 32134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEC9AF3.1073FADB@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <75213ab.0205162048.71b8943d@posting.google.com> <75213ab.0205171434.100fab22@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 02:32:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 1022138993 204.2.54.201 (Thu, 23 May 2002 07:29:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:29:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32134 The queen has 32 chromosomes, the drones are produces by meiosis from an haploid unfertilized egg and have only 16. The process is called Cytoplasmic division or cytokinesis, so each drone is a unique combination of half the chromosomes of the queen, and the sperm in a particular drone is all identical barring mutation. Because of multiple matings between the queen and 10-20 drones, the subfamily shares 75% of their genes. This means that the workers share more genes than if they had offspring of their own, giving a reproductive justification for not breeding. I suspect that controlled breeding and the corresponding reduction in genetic diversity may be detrimental to the domesticated strain's resistance to disease and parasites Any corrections from the more knowledgeable are welcome. JJ > > The drones, although haploid, are not genetically identical. In Mendelian > genetics, if queen bees have two pairs of chromosomes, she can produce 4 > (2^2) genetically different drones. If queens have 23 pairs like people, > she can produce 8,388,608 (2^23) genetically different drones. In > actuality, the numbers are higher since chromosomes break up and rejoin in > different fashion occasionally. The drones are probably playing a role in > natural selection as well as the queens. > > Does anyone know the number of chromosomes in a queen? Article 32135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CECED9A.30625D9B@ntlworld.com> From: Christopher Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pheromones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:24:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.0.45.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news8-gui.server.ntli.net 1022160200 80.0.45.133 (Thu, 23 May 2002 14:23:20 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:23:20 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news8-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32135 Does anyone know anything about the research into pheromones as a way of combating varroa? Sounds like a refreshing change from the use of acaricides, if true. regards, chris. Article 32136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best Inexpensive Extractor Date: 23 May 2002 08:36:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.121.54.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022168175 7069 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2002 15:36:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2002 15:36:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32136 I am posting this message to this group since it seems to get better traffic than alt.hobbies.beekeeping. Wuffman thanks for your response. I have seen several inexpensive($200-250 range) extractors listed in various catalogs; Dadant, Mann Lake, and Brushy. I am wondering if anyone can suggest which is best? I have noticed that some have a top crank and others have a side crank, which is easiest to use? This will be my first extractor purchase and I only have one hive which I started this year. I have not been able to find a local beekeeping club where I can rent one. Of course if anyone offers a used extractor, I would be interested as well. Thanks in advance for the help. Regards, Charles Article 32137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pheromones Date: 23 May 2002 17:04:33 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3CECED9A.30625D9B@ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.154 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32137 On Thu, 23 May 2002 14:24:42 +0100, Christopher Clayton wrote: >Does anyone know anything about the research into pheromones as a way of >combating varroa? Sounds like a refreshing change from the use of >acaricides, if true. >regards, chris. > I've been told by an SMR breader (Ohio Queen breeders) that one suspected method of mite control that occurs in the SMR bees is smell and or pheromones preventing the mites from choosing/finding the host larva or laying their eggs at the correct time. The process by which SMR bees control mites isn't understood and this is just one possible cause. -Tim Article 32138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6M9H8.23458$cT2.2412929@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:36:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1022175362 207.179.133.151 (Thu, 23 May 2002 14:36:02 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:36:02 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32138 Don't know much about them yet. I am looking to buy one, even though my association does rent one. The thing is always signed out, so I have never gotten to use it. The one the club has has the handle/crank on the top and they all say it works like a charm so that is the one I am going with..... Cheers....... Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "CE" wrote in message news:ec892669.0205230736.b045f7b@posting.google.com... > I am posting this message to this group since it seems to get better > traffic than alt.hobbies.beekeeping. Wuffman thanks for your > response. > > I have seen several inexpensive($200-250 range) extractors listed in > various catalogs; Dadant, Mann Lake, and Brushy. I am wondering if > anyone can suggest which is best? I have noticed that some have a top > crank and others have a side crank, which is easiest to use? > > This will be my first extractor purchase and I only have one hive > which I started this year. I have not been able to find a local > beekeeping club where I can rent one. > > Of course if anyone offers a used extractor, I would be interested as > well. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Regards, > Charles Article 32139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:05:35 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <6M9H8.23458$cT2.2412929@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022177139 27476335 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32139 My initial response would be to buy one that you will not grow out of in a few years... If you look around there are always 2 or 4 frame extractors for sale... as the users are moving up! -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:6M9H8.23458$cT2.2412929@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Don't know much about them yet. I am looking to buy one, even though my > association does rent one. The thing is always signed out, so I have never > gotten to use it. The one the club has has the handle/crank on the top and > they all say it works like a charm so that is the one I am going with..... > Cheers....... Ken..... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "CE" wrote in message > news:ec892669.0205230736.b045f7b@posting.google.com... > > I am posting this message to this group since it seems to get better > > traffic than alt.hobbies.beekeeping. Wuffman thanks for your > > response. > > > > I have seen several inexpensive($200-250 range) extractors listed in > > various catalogs; Dadant, Mann Lake, and Brushy. I am wondering if > > anyone can suggest which is best? I have noticed that some have a top > > crank and others have a side crank, which is easiest to use? > > > > This will be my first extractor purchase and I only have one hive > > which I started this year. I have not been able to find a local > > beekeeping club where I can rent one. > > > > Of course if anyone offers a used extractor, I would be interested as > > well. > > > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > > > Regards, > > Charles > > Article 32140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> From: Alice Gamewell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee homes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:42:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.217.123.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022182977 24.217.123.11 (Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:57 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!ea3b9755!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32140 I hope I am not way off base by asking this, but here it goes. I would love to have a nest of honey bees reside on my property to help pollinate my veggies and fruit trees. I planted red clover along with many other perinnals and annuals to help attract them too. Is it possible to build some kind of hive that the bees would be attracted to and want to nest? I am not intrested in the honey. Alice Article 32141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:28:47 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.238 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1022184879 66.20.225.238 (23 May 2002 15:14:39 -0500) Lines: 28 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32141 CE wrote: > > I am posting this message to this group since it seems to get better > traffic than alt.hobbies.beekeeping. Wuffman thanks for your > response. > > I have seen several inexpensive($200-250 range) extractors listed in > various catalogs; Dadant, Mann Lake, and Brushy. I am wondering if > anyone can suggest which is best? I have noticed that some have a top > crank and others have a side crank, which is easiest to use? I can recommend the Brushy Mtn 9 frame radial ($275 last time I looked)- it works like a charm. My only suggestion to the manufacturer would be to use a heavier crank handle - the plastic one won't take a lot of abuse. I have replaced the plastic crank with a variable speed motor (electric drill) so its not really an issue anymore. The rest of the unit is very well built. I prefer the side crank. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee homes Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:37:30 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.227 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022189755 27899108 144.139.221.227 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.227!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32142 "Alice Gamewell" wrote: > I hope I am not way off base by asking this, but here it goes. > I would love to have a nest of honey bees reside on my property > to help pollinate my veggies and fruit trees. I planted red > clover along with many other perinnals and annuals to help > attract them too. Is it possible to build some kind of hive > that the bees would be attracted to and want to nest? I am not > intrested in the honey. > Alice I think we all appreciate your good intentions. But where I live (Australia) it is illegal to keep bees in any container that does not have removable frames. I imagine that a similar restriction would apply in most countries, but you could check with your local government. Both examination for disease control, and swarm control, would be impossible. Perhaps you could find a beekeeper who's happy to provide and manage a hive or two on your land, particularly if it's a good location for bees. John Article 32143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: bee homes Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:51:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1022190707 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 23 May 2002 17:51:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:51:47 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32143 "Alice Gamewell" wrote >Is it possible to build some kind of hive that the > bees would be attracted to and want to nest Trying to attract honeybees is probably an exercise in futility. And if by some miracle, you did, you'd still need to care for them. Think not in terms of attracting bees, but of attracting beekeepers. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 May 2002 22:54:15 GMT References: <3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Message-ID: <20020523185415.08517.00000287@mb-mr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32144 I used a 4 medium/2deep frame Compact Deluxe from Brushy Mtn to process about 6000 lbs of honey before the basket shaft wore down against the plain lower bearing and had to be shimmed. I still use the bottom half for bottling and straining. Article 32145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 May 2002 23:34:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee homes Message-ID: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32145 Hi, I agree with the other folk. Yopu should however know that modern red clover is not usable by honeybees the white and yellow they love. The red is actually too long for there tounges to reach into. Cheers, Dave in Madison Article 32146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Date: 23 May 2002 19:32:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0205231832.60fa17b4@posting.google.com> References: <3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022207534 27908 127.0.0.1 (24 May 2002 02:32:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2002 02:32:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32146 AL wrote in message news:<3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net>... > I can recommend the Brushy Mtn 9 frame radial ($275 last time I looked)- > it works like a charm. My only suggestion to the manufacturer would be > to use a heavier crank handle - the plastic one won't take a lot of > abuse. I have replaced the plastic crank with a variable speed motor > (electric drill) so its not really an issue anymore. > The rest of the unit is very well built. > I prefer the side crank. > AL The above sounds like a very good deal! Is that 9 deep frames? and can you post the website for "Brushy Mtn"? Thank you very much! + Fr. Athanasios Article 32147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:06:01 -0700 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3CEDCA39.388DB723@hcis.net> References: <3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net> <5564f45f.0205231832.60fa17b4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-ildhlg196.hamiltoncom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1022210372 166155 216.240.93.207 (24 May 2002 03:19:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 03:19:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32147 "Fr. Athanasios" wrote: > > AL wrote in message news:<3CED6D1F.DE29274@hcis.net>... > > I can recommend the Brushy Mtn 9 frame radial ($275 last time I looked)- > > it works like a charm. My only suggestion to the manufacturer would be > > to use a heavier crank handle - the plastic one won't take a lot of > > abuse. I have replaced the plastic crank with a variable speed motor > > (electric drill) so its not really an issue anymore. > > The rest of the unit is very well built. > > I prefer the side crank. > > AL > > The above sounds like a very good deal! Is that 9 deep > frames? and can you post the website for "Brushy Mtn"? > > Thank you very much! > + Fr. Athanasios http://www.beeequipment.com/ Its a 9 frame medium (OR) 3 deep using the hanging baskets that come with the unit. AL Article 32148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee homes Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:03:45 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022213028 27692349 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32148 But the red will be attractive to bumble bees, which are good for tomato pollination. Crimsom clover is also a good honey bee attractant. "Lazurus106" wrote in message news:20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com... > Hi, > I agree with the other folk. Yopu should however know that modern red clover is > not usable by honeybees the white and yellow they love. The red is actually too > long for there tounges to reach into. > Cheers, > Dave in Madison Article 32149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee homes Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-9-23.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1022231256 23301 213.122.9.23 (24 May 2002 09:07:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:07:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32149 If you aren't interested in honey then why honey bees? Set up nesting boxes for mason bees and bumble bees instead. They act as efficient pollinators and don't require any treatment to keep nasties such as varroa at bay. Nesting boxes may be bought commercially or made from flower arrangers oasis and bunches of hollow sticks such as bamboo stuck into it. > From: Alice Gamewell > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:42:57 GMT > Subject: bee homes > > I hope I am not way off base by asking this, but here it goes. I would > love to have a > nest of honey bees reside on my property to help pollinate my veggies > and fruit trees. > I planted red clover along with many other perinnals and annuals to help > attract them too. Is it possible to build some kind of hive that the > bees would be attracted to and want to nest? I am not intrested in the > honey. > Alice > Article 32150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS at Cornell August 5-9,2002 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:29:17 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 47 Sender: mhg3@cornell.invalid (on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 1022246958 7415 128.253.66.35 (24 May 2002 13:29:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2002 13:29:18 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32150 Fellow Beekeeper, It is with great pleasure that I invite you to attend this years Eastern Apicultural Society Conference at Cornell University in New York. This years conference is hosted by the Empire State Honey Producers and Dyce Laboratory for Honey Bee Studies at Cornell University. I hope you will be able to attend this gala event. Campus opens Sunday afternoon to begin the Short Course starting Monday morning August, 5th. The main conference then begins on Wednesday August 7th, at 1:30 pm. Thursday & Friday afternoon we present 10 simultaneous Work Shops on all aspects of beekeeping. The program chairs have done an outstanding job presenting us with choice. Thursday night we hold our annual BBQ & Auction for Honey Bee Research and Friday night we wrap up with an Awards Banquet. This is a very brief overview. More information on program specifics can be found at this web site-- http://www.eas2002.cornell.edu We are using Cornell's newly constructed air conditioned dormitories for residence and the dinning hall for meals. Don't let your memories of college taint your perspective of these facilities as todays students live in luxury! These new dormitories are refered to as "The Palace" by the unlucky freshman that are placed in older buildings. We will be on North Campus but will also bus too and from Dyce Laboratory for Honey Bee Studies, offering us the opportunity to see the Lab. and utilize the grounds for our Short Course and Work Shops. The great part in this is that we will be able to better mingle with the bees without fear of disturbing academic life on campus. A high point of the Short Course will be the excursion to Tom Seeleys lab for a session interpreting the dance language of the bees! More information can be found at the web site or you can request information packets by replying to me with number requested. EAS has not graced the Cornell Campus for thirty years and may not be back anytime soon! The program is packed, diverse and exciting. I hope you will take advantage of this incredible opportunity and attend this years EAS conference. See you in August! Sincerely, Mike Griggs Article 32151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: 24 May 2002 12:03:05 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <75213ab.0205171434.100fab22@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1022256002 21688 166.84.1.2 (24 May 2002 16:00:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32151 In article , Greg Hupf wrote: >The drones, although haploid, are not genetically identical. Barring some odd crossing over and meiotic "noise", each drone's sperm is genetically identical. Drones have genetically different sperm from one another, however. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 32152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Inexpensive Extractor Date: 24 May 2002 09:54:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <6M9H8.23458$cT2.2412929@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022259257 3673 127.0.0.1 (24 May 2002 16:54:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2002 16:54:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32152 Someone noticed here: buy one that you will not grow out of. This is happened to me and I found one extractor that I thing is the best for hobbies in the same time it is very productive. I bought it used, 10 frames medium or full made by Maxwell. The new one cost around $1000 but I paid for mine only $350 and spend another $50 to fix it. The best thing about it is that it spins frames vertically and it is almost impossible to break a frame a part. Here are some picks of it. http://www.wecool.net/bees/P9090002.JPG
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http://www.wecool.net/bees/P9090004.JPG Article 32153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GEOFF MILLER - RACIST, TROLL , STALKER, HIV+, TECHIE IN SAN JOSE, CA Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:32:52 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3CEEA374.5010401@southcoast.net> References: <3CEE99EE.4050704@southcoast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcd-johnk.slac.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32153 What's matter Geoff is being a real jerk assole finally getting to you? Yah, I meet a flower grower down your way that knows you. I think it is sad that your net persona has followed you to the place where you live, but I guess you ask for it didn't you. You've fucked yourself real good. -Jk Geoff Miller wrote: > John blathers: > > >>It always a wonderful day when I get to meet new members of >>the Geoff Miller Fan Club. :) >> > > My fans are legion. Take your seat among the crowd, if you > would. > > > >>Oh, I have it on good word that that those are not forgeries! >> > > You seem awfully happy about the fact that this would mean your > daughter is HIV positive. > > > > > Geoff > > Article 32154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Subject: Re: bee homes Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:51:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-HrllqpwUUid8sjreQGN0nZ8AjuXWPUMZU8ItS68S/WAg5y26Wd2oDfIGPbbWD1DkjO0bJHxnX/18BLS!kvViGTzLuKJ8Tpnu9zuK6IgKGwgJv81XaBNMlDmf5XZcbD9gVVfwWevCQZ8GOcIA2VSTgoJ0OPA9!3UDIAzVR X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:51:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32154 "KOland" > But the red will be attractive to bumble bees, which are good for tomato > pollination. I was under the impression tomatoes are wind pollinated? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CEEBD00.80EB7C02@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee homes References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:21:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 1022278782 204.2.54.202 (Fri, 24 May 2002 22:19:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:19:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32155 They are, and the best pollinator is an electric toothbrush. JJ The Rock Garden wrote: > > "KOland" > > > But the red will be attractive to bumble bees, which are good for tomato > > pollination. > > I was under the impression tomatoes are wind pollinated? > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Subject: Bumblebees and tomato pollination was: Re: bee homes Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:09:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1022292599 24.31.194.116 (Fri, 24 May 2002 22:09:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:09:59 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32156 "The Rock Garden" wrote > > But the red will be attractive to bumble bees, which are good for tomato > > pollination. > > > I was under the impression tomatoes are wind pollinated? Red clover is soooo attractive to bumblebees that they probably will ignore tomatoes if there is red clover nearby... part of the mythology of using bee plants to "attract" pollinators.... "Attracting Pollinators" -a flawed concept!" http://www.pollinator.com/attract.htm Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was perfect for maximum pollen release. Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) and vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't commonly do it at all. Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers like most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it thru pores in the anther. Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm Article 32157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: bee homes Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:15:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1022292956 24.31.194.116 (Fri, 24 May 2002 22:15:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:15:56 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32157 "Bumble" wrote > If you aren't interested in honey then why honey bees? Set up nesting boxes > for mason bees and bumble bees instead. They act as efficient pollinators > and don't require any treatment to keep nasties such as varroa at bay. > Nesting boxes may be bought commercially or made from flower arrangers oasis > and bunches of hollow sticks such as bamboo stuck into it. If you got both, they would be fairly good replacements for honeybees. It's fairly easy to establish orchard mason bee for spring fruit pollination. Mason bees have their own mite parasites, which can build up if you get a very high concentration of them. You also have a number of preditors (wasps, woodpeckers, etc.) that prey on the juvenile stages. Mason bees are useless later in the season, because they are dormant by the time veggies bloom. Bumblebees are much harder to get to nest in your boxes, and harder to manage. They would be your summer pollinators, IF you can get them.... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bumblebees and tomato pollination was: Re: bee homes Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%6DH8.1742$AF3.892@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 03:00:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022295611 67.200.206.159 (Fri, 24 May 2002 20:00:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:00:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32158 "Dave Green" wrote in message news:XnCH8.11903$6v2.425170@twister.southeast.rr.com... > > "The Rock Garden" wrote > > > > But the red will be attractive to bumble bees, which are good for tomato > > > pollination. > > > > > > I was under the impression tomatoes are wind pollinated? > > Red clover is soooo attractive to bumblebees that they probably will > ignore tomatoes if there is red clover nearby... part of the mythology of > using bee plants to "attract" pollinators.... > > "Attracting Pollinators" -a flawed concept!" > http://www.pollinator.com/attract.htm > > Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or > humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator I'll bet Madonna gets great yields on her tomatoes. > of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the > tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around > the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was > perfect for maximum pollen release. > > Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang > from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) and > vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. > Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't > commonly do it at all. > > Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers like > most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it > thru pores in the anther. > Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm > > > > > > Article 32159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: bjms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 trialware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:03:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1022313780 24.64.223.206 (Sat, 25 May 2002 02:03:00 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:03:00 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32159 Have a two frame that works just great. This homemade model is constructed using a galvanized barrel. Is there a food safe paint or finish coat that I could apply? Article 32160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad26e8.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1022343322 28617 128.173.38.232 (25 May 2002 16:15:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:15:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32160 In article <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com>, ladyjava@thesitefights.com says... > > > >Does anyone know of any companies that make 8 frame deeps?  Seems >to me last year I saw a catalog or somewhere a company where you could >purchase 8 frame bodies (instead of the 10 frame size)... >

J > Why 8 frames? A 10 frame body can be converted to 8 frames by adding hollow plywood spacers to the sides. This reduces the weight of the full body and provides some insulation. One can also reduce a 10 frame body to 8 by manually re-spacing the frames after they have been drawn out in the 10 or 9 frame configurations. One can purchase Stoller frame spacers for 9 or 8 frame bodies. But perhaps the issue is weight. The full 9.5 inch 10 frame body is a prescription for a bad back. The simplest way to reduce weight is to use the medium height bodies also known as Illinois hive bodies. This is a much more practical way to reduce the weight one has to handle than going to a none standard width because with standard 10 frame width you can mix full height, medium (IL) and shallow supers on the same hive and interchange between hives. Article 32161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: genetics question Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:08:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1022346708.710789@savina> References: <20020502162836.00985.00011004@mb-cu.aol.com> <1020611117.240789@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32161 anyone with access to more about the following? see abstract at: http://alembic.nal.usda.gov:8088/7403.htm AUTHOR: Deodikar, G. B.; Thakar, C. V.; Shah, P. N. ARTICLE TITLE: Cyto-Genetic Studies In Indian Honey-Bees. I. Somatic Chromosome Complement In Apis indica And Its Bearing On Evolution And Phylogeny. JOURNAL TITLE: Indian Acad. Sci., Proc. 49(3):194-206, Table, Figs., Refs. P. 205-206 YEAR OF PUBLICATION: 1959 Article 32162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: 70721.602@compuserve.com (Steve Thomas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Leave Well Enough Alone? Date: 25 May 2002 16:19:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.159.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022368794 15276 127.0.0.1 (25 May 2002 23:19:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 2002 23:19:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32162 Hi: You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question before....so here it is again! Up in the second floor eaves of my house, there's about a 1" hole leading into a small air space which has been inhabited by honey bees. I know the design of the house (flat-roofed) and this hole doesn't give them access to interior of any walls, its basically just a blind space leading nowhere. (there is a second entrance/exit where some moulding has shrunk enough to make a crack.) I have not been stung by any of these bees (yet) nor paid them much attention, but yesterday was the first really hot day since they arrived and I walked out and saw a somewhat alarming sight: literally *hundreds* of bees swarming madly around this little hole. I mean, it was stunning! They are all balled up at the entrance and swarming in a good-sized cloud several feet around it. This is a little unnerving, frankly. I had no idea there would be so many! I wonder if the numbers will continue to increase ad infinitum? Are these bees likely to go on a stinging rampage? Will they descend on me en masse while I am asleep in my backyard chaise? How about pets: dog and cat? (cat likes to sit on the ground staring up at the swarming bee nest but theres no way he could get way up there to them, 20 feet off the ground.) Its mainly the safety factor I'm concerned about. One of my neighbors is a fanatical gardener and she is delighted about having this bee nest in the neighborhood, imploring me to leave them "bee", and not attempt to evict them. She claims that her blooming plants have never bloomed so well in 10 years of gardening and she firmly attributes this to my bee nest. Is she correct to believe that this one nest could cause such an improvement in her garden? One last thing: I'm in southern CA. Will these honey bees be "year round" residents, or can I look forward to their departure in the fall? Thanks for any advice you can lend. Article 32163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 May 2002 00:43:04 GMT References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Message-ID: <20020525204304.02477.00000514@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32163 >the first really hot day since they >arrived and I walked out and saw a somewhat alarming sight: literally >*hundreds* of bees swarming madly around this little hole. I mean, it >was stunning! They are all balled up at the entrance and If you see a small cloud of bees facing the entrance and flying back and forth in the afternoon those are young workers engaged in play flights. Around here we call it happy hour. The bees are learning to navigate and developing their wing muscles. It's a gentle time for most colonies. On a hot day with a crowded colony you may see what looks like a beard of bees below the opening. Mostly a colony that high up won't even come near you on the ground they will fly straight to their forage and back. Article 32164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Message-ID: References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 01:19:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.243.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1022375943 142.166.243.64 (Sat, 25 May 2002 22:19:03 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:19:03 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32164 On 25 May 2002 16:19:54 -0700, 70721.602@compuserve.com (Steve Thomas) wrote: >Hi: >You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question >before....so here it is again! >Up in the second floor eaves of my house, there's about a 1" hole >leading into a small air space which has been inhabited by honey bees. > I know the design of the house (flat-roofed) and this hole doesn't >give them access to interior of any walls, its basically just a blind >space leading nowhere. (there is a second entrance/exit where some >moulding has shrunk enough to make a crack.) If you are sure of their location in a spot where they cannot cause a problem when honey would start to leak then you are okay. That kind of problem can happen when you kill the colony without removing it. >I have not been stung by any of these bees (yet) nor paid them much >attention, but yesterday was the first really hot day since they >arrived and I walked out and saw a somewhat alarming sight: literally >*hundreds* of bees swarming madly around this little hole. I mean, it >was stunning! They are all balled up at the entrance and swarming in a >good-sized cloud several feet around it. This is a little unnerving, They were not swarming "madly". They were profiting from the really nice weather to get some work done. Especially on those days they are in a good mood and harmless. >frankly. I had no idea there would be so many! I wonder if the >numbers will continue to increase ad infinitum? You say it's a small space where they are so their number should be fairly low. >Are these bees likely to go on a stinging rampage? Will they descend >on me en masse while I am asleep in my backyard chaise? How about >pets: dog and cat? (cat likes to sit on the ground staring up at the >swarming bee nest but theres no way he could get way up there to them, >20 feet off the ground.) Its mainly the safety factor I'm concerned >about. The nest being that high up nobody will be in the bees' flying path and they are not really interested in people relaxing in their yards. >One of my neighbors is a fanatical gardener and she is delighted about >having this bee nest in the neighborhood, imploring me to leave them >"bee", and not attempt to evict them. She claims that her blooming >plants have never bloomed so well in 10 years of gardening and she >firmly attributes this to my bee nest. Is she correct to believe that >this one nest could cause such an improvement in her garden? I don't think it does anything for the flowers, but if she has vegetables or fruit trees which need pollination then the presence of a bee colony near by would definitely be an asset. >One last thing: I'm in southern CA. Will these honey bees be "year >round" residents, or can I look forward to their departure in the >fall? Bees are not migratory insects, such as Monarch butterflies. They are there to stay. >Thanks for any advice you can lend. Try to read up a bit on bees. They are fascinating insects. You may start to like them! -- Ajo Wissink Article 32165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:01:49 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022385711 29107163 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32165 Camcote, sold by brushy mountain. No doubt others ae available. "bjms" wrote in message news:lqgueuc4prnsgsv494ae7puihr195r6vlh@4ax.com... > Have a two frame that works just great. This homemade model is > constructed using a galvanized barrel. Is there a food safe paint or > finish coat that I could apply? Article 32166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees and tomato pollination was: Re: bee homes Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:10:06 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022386208 27971704 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32166 Thanks for the extra explanation Dave. However, if you cut their clover, the bumble bees will move into the tomatoes (and of course, they don't get much choice in a greenhouse). In our garden, the bumble bees are not a loyal to a single source as the honey bees are. For example, right now they are ignoring fields of white clover for something else -- tulip poplar must still be blooming some. Later they'll have the fields buzzing when nothing else is available. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:XnCH8.11903$6v2.425170@twister.southeast.rr.com... > Red clover is soooo attractive to bumblebees that they probably will > ignore tomatoes if there is red clover nearby... part of the mythology of > using bee plants to "attract" pollinators.... > > "Attracting Pollinators" -a flawed concept!" > http://www.pollinator.com/attract.htm Article 32167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert M. Smith, MD, PhD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weak Hive Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 09:28:25 -0400 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.222.141.96 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1022419708 360025 199.222.141.96 (26 May 2002 13:28:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32167 Just started bee keeping 2 months ago. Started with 2 hives. One is doing well, but the other has lost the queen(died or got disgusted and left). On inspection it appears we have a laying worker (multiple eggs per cell). I was going to shake all bee off of frames some distance from hive location hoping to loose the laying worker. Then I was going to combine this hive by newspaper method with my stronger one as honey flow will be over soon. I currently have 1 honey super on both. Do I place the paper and weak hive on top of the honey super of the stronger hive? Also, does this sound like a reasonable plan? Thanks, bob smith Article 32168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 08:40:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32168 YES Chuck "Robert M. Smith, MD, PhD" wrote in message news:acqnts$avip$1@news3.infoave.net... > Just started bee keeping 2 months ago. Started with 2 hives. One is doing > well, but the other has lost the queen(died or got disgusted and left). On > inspection it appears we have a laying worker (multiple eggs per cell). I > was going to shake all bee off of frames some distance from hive location > hoping to loose the laying worker. Then I was going to combine this hive by > newspaper method with my stronger one as honey flow will be over soon. I > currently have 1 honey super on both. Do I place the paper and weak hive on > top of the honey super of the stronger hive? Also, does this sound like a > reasonable plan? Thanks, > > bob smith > > Article 32169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:38:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3cf0e53c.1038686362@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32169 On Sun, 26 May 2002 09:28:25 -0400, "Robert M. Smith, MD, PhD" wrote: >Just started bee keeping 2 months ago. Started with 2 hives. One is doing >well, but the other has lost the queen(died or got disgusted and left). On >inspection it appears we have a laying worker (multiple eggs per cell). I >was going to shake all bee off of frames some distance from hive location >hoping to loose the laying worker. Then I was going to combine this hive by >newspaper method with my stronger one as honey flow will be over soon. I >currently have 1 honey super on both. Do I place the paper and weak hive on >top of the honey super of the stronger hive? Also, does this sound like a >reasonable plan? Thanks, > >bob smith > > Newspaper? Bees can't read. Just pile them on, everything will be ok. beekeep Article 32170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2740.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1022437395 20250 128.173.39.64 (26 May 2002 18:23:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:23:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32170 In article <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com>, 70721.602@compuserve.com says... > >Hi: >You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question >before....so here it is again! >Up in the second floor eaves of my house, there's about a 1" hole >leading into a small air space which has been inhabited by honey bees. > I know the design of the house (flat-roofed) and this hole doesn't >give them access to interior of any walls, its basically just a blind >space leading nowhere. (there is a second entrance/exit where some >moulding has shrunk enough to make a crack.) >I have not been stung by any of these bees (yet) nor paid them much >attention, but yesterday was the first really hot day since they >arrived and I walked out and saw a somewhat alarming sight: literally >*hundreds* of bees swarming madly around this little hole. I mean, it >was stunning! They are all balled up at the entrance and swarming in a >good-sized cloud several feet around it. This is a little unnerving, >frankly. I had no idea there would be so many! I wonder if the >numbers will continue to increase ad infinitum? >Are these bees likely to go on a stinging rampage? Will they descend >on me en masse while I am asleep in my backyard chaise? How about >pets: dog and cat? (cat likes to sit on the ground staring up at the >swarming bee nest but theres no way he could get way up there to them, >20 feet off the ground.) Its mainly the safety factor I'm concerned >about. >One of my neighbors is a fanatical gardener and she is delighted about >having this bee nest in the neighborhood, imploring me to leave them >"bee", and not attempt to evict them. She claims that her blooming >plants have never bloomed so well in 10 years of gardening and she >firmly attributes this to my bee nest. Is she correct to believe that >this one nest could cause such an improvement in her garden? >One last thing: I'm in southern CA. Will these honey bees be "year >round" residents, or can I look forward to their departure in the >fall? >Thanks for any advice you can lend. Until we got the "mite" problem one could sayd the bee colony is as permanent as you allow it to be, but without treatment it is likely to die off due to varroa. Unless they become africanized they should cause you no problems unless you hang fresh linen under their flight path, as they will deposit their feces on your linens. Do some reading on bees. You may decide to start a hive or two. Article 32171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen introduction question... Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:44:28 +0100 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <3CF12D0C.883EFCB9@myrealbox.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2439.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1022438671 22971 217.134.41.135 (26 May 2002 18:44:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2002 18:44:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32171 This is a bit late to post, but will give a tip I was given for introducing a new queen. First find the queen and put her in a queen cage with some candy. If it is an old cage tape up the end so that the bees cannot get her out. Leave the cage and her in the hive so that the bees can still feed her. Leave it like this for 3-4 days. The object of this is so that they cannot make any emergency queen cells when she is removed. After this period remove the queen and dispose of her. Leave for a day, then put the new queen in her cage in the hive making sure the end is unblocked so that the workers can get her out. Check after 3 days to see that she has come out, and if not then release her. All should be fine. David Ken Bullock wrote: > > It is fun to learn this craft as you go, I think it will take a few years > before I am comfortable with it, But I think that letting them alone and let > them sort them selves out is a had thing to learn, I keep wanting to > intervine to help them, but I know they are fighting for survival and will > get them selves on the right track soon enough. > > I love these little darlings and find it a complete joy to tend to them.... > Ken....... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > "David Hatch" wrote in message > news:ef3c88cd.0205110501.6747a93f@posting.google.com... > > Hello all! > > I am starting five hives from nucs and have a question or two for > > the group... > > I set up the nucs in hives on wednesday morning and went back > > yesterday to check on them, here is what happened... in hive #1 I > > found the queen still in her cage and the candy was mostly chewed > > through so I released her and she seemed happy to finally stretch her > > legs running around the other bees seemed to move out of her way and > > all seemed well so I closed up the hive. The same thing happened in > > Hive #2 In hive #3 the queen cage had a few workers and I located the > > queen on a frame seeming to be about her business at hand. Here is > > where the problems start, In hive #4 the cage was empty and I searched > > all over the frames twice looking for the queen when I noticed a small > > glob of bees in the corner of the bottom of the hive I am not sure but > > I believe the queen was in with them :-( In Hive #5 the queen was in > > her cage so I released her, as soon as she hit the frame I could hear > > a rapid very high pitched keening buzz that I swear came from the > > queen it was very loud and the bees around her did not look to happy > > to see her. > > > > My questions- > > > > 1: are the queens in 4&5 a loss and if so how long should I wait to be > > sure and to order a new queen? the frames have a lot of brood but it > > is all capped. > > > > 2: What are the chances that there might have been a virgin queen in > > hive #5 there were what appeared to be some old swarm cells on the > > frames I thought if there were and the introduced queen was aware of > > it she may have been issuing a challenge and the bees around her may > > have thought they were queenright and she was a strange queen. > > > > 3: what are the chances the queen in #4 had fallen off a frame and the > > other bees were assisting and not trying drive her off/kill her after > > all they did release her before I arrived. > > > > Thanks for all your help/advice in advance! David -- Regards DavidG Article 32172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catcher Hive Worked! Reply-To: sharp7@mailops.com Message-ID: <3cf15ac5.838484@news.verizon.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 22:04:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.47.212.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1022450685 4.47.212.235 (Sun, 26 May 2002 18:04:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:04:45 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!1b6a651e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32172 Hi Guys! I put out a nuc with with some old comb and a pherome lure. Here's the results: http://jrsharp.com/jrsharp/Bee/swarm.htm I'm really rusty with HTML (& spelling!) take a look, but ignore the rest of the site - just starting to build it. Jim Dallas, TX Article 32173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Holly Honey Date: 26 May 2002 18:25:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0205261725.46439176@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022462720 27425 127.0.0.1 (27 May 2002 01:25:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2002 01:25:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32173 I live in southern Maryland and started keeping bees last spring. This is the first year that I will get honey and was wondering if it will any good. The main honey plants that I can indentify in any quantity are Holly, Tulip Poplar and Black Locust. I've read about Locust and Tulip Poplar, but what is Holly Honey like? Chris Article 32174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:33:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 48 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32174 I agree with the rest of the responses with one reservation...... If you are in Southern California, there may be a risk of Africanized or very agressive bees. Caution may be in order. If you get a hint of agressive behavior, you should probably have them removed/exterminated. If not, enjoy this marvel of nature! Best Wishes, -- Muddawg "Steve Thomas" <70721.602@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com... > Hi: > You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question > before....so here it is again! > Up in the second floor eaves of my house, there's about a 1" hole > leading into a small air space which has been inhabited by honey bees. > I know the design of the house (flat-roofed) and this hole doesn't > give them access to interior of any walls, its basically just a blind > space leading nowhere. (there is a second entrance/exit where some > moulding has shrunk enough to make a crack.) > I have not been stung by any of these bees (yet) nor paid them much > attention, but yesterday was the first really hot day since they > arrived and I walked out and saw a somewhat alarming sight: literally > *hundreds* of bees swarming madly around this little hole. I mean, it > was stunning! They are all balled up at the entrance and swarming in a > good-sized cloud several feet around it. This is a little unnerving, > frankly. I had no idea there would be so many! I wonder if the > numbers will continue to increase ad infinitum? > Are these bees likely to go on a stinging rampage? Will they descend > on me en masse while I am asleep in my backyard chaise? How about > pets: dog and cat? (cat likes to sit on the ground staring up at the > swarming bee nest but theres no way he could get way up there to them, > 20 feet off the ground.) Its mainly the safety factor I'm concerned > about. > One of my neighbors is a fanatical gardener and she is delighted about > having this bee nest in the neighborhood, imploring me to leave them > "bee", and not attempt to evict them. She claims that her blooming > plants have never bloomed so well in 10 years of gardening and she > firmly attributes this to my bee nest. Is she correct to believe that > this one nest could cause such an improvement in her garden? > One last thing: I'm in southern CA. Will these honey bees be "year > round" residents, or can I look forward to their departure in the > fall? > Thanks for any advice you can lend. Article 32175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do the traveling beehivers do it? Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:21:52 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b6.e2 X-Server-Date: 27 May 2002 02:22:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32175 I was wondering how the traveling bee hive people move their bees. Am I correct that there are comercial bee keepers who load their bee hives onto trucks and move them around to fields that the bees pollinate. I'm asking because I want to move a bee hive, and I was wondering if you could simply block the entrance and truck it off to its new location, unblock the entrance, and have everything work out OK. I want to set up an observation bee hive, then move it to another location. And I was wondering how this might be done. Thanks. Article 32176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee homes Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:30:19 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b6.e2 X-Server-Date: 27 May 2002 02:30:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32176 you might find something at this sight http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/natural.htm "Alice Gamewell" wrote in message news:3CED462E.7C2320E4@earthlink.net... > I hope I am not way off base by asking this, but here it goes. I would > love to have a > nest of honey bees reside on my property to help pollinate my veggies > and fruit trees. > I planted red clover along with many other perinnals and annuals to help > attract them too. Is it possible to build some kind of hive that the > bees would be attracted to and want to nest? I am not intrested in the > honey. > Alice > Article 32177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do the traveling beehivers do it? Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 06:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-244-11.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1022482547 28866 217.34.244.11 (27 May 2002 06:55:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 06:55:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32177 Where are you? - The country/climate/time of year will dictate the method used Keith "rad0" wrote in message news:acs58h$tu4$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > > I was wondering how the traveling bee hive > people move their bees. Am I correct that > there are comercial bee keepers who load > their bee hives onto trucks and move them > around to fields that the bees pollinate. > > I'm asking because I want to move a bee > hive, and I was wondering if you could > simply block the entrance and truck it off > to its new location, unblock the entrance, > and have everything work out OK. > > I want to set up an observation bee hive, > then move it to another location. And I > was wondering how this might be done. > > Thanks. > > Article 32178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first swarm! Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%lpI8.13861$Uk6.2470785@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:05:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.40.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1022501371 213.104.40.144 (Mon, 27 May 2002 13:09:31 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:09:31 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32178 I am a new, and very novice, beekeeper. I live in Nottingham, England. My hive has just produced a swarm which is currently settled in an apple tree around 20 feet or so from their original hive. I have a second hive waiting which is around 6 feet or so from their original hive. This is a BS brood box with 10 frames of new foundation + a dummy board. I have seen a couple of presumably scout bees entering the new hive. Do I need to do anything to persuade them into the hive or should I just wait and see? Many thanks for any constructive advice. John Ford Article 32179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ragwort Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:48:14 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 21 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1022507309 14217 144.32.85.141 (27 May 2002 13:48:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2002 13:48:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32179 Hi all, My bees are in an area with quite a lot of Ragwort and have had two complaints from people unhappy that ragwort pollen may get into my honey. Do bees like ragwort? I can't really say that I've seen any of my bees going for the stuff. (They are more interested in the oil seed rape in the next field)! Is there any evidence that the pollen/nectar is toxic? In my view it wouldn't be a very good reproductive strategy for the plant to poison its pollinators. I could cut the ragwort down near the hives but there is nothing to stop the bees collecting from further afield... I guess that this may be the only way to calm the fears of those that feel they may get poisoned from my honey! Any thoughts welcomed. Thanks, Paul. Article 32180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first swarm! Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:10:28 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 41 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CF23E54.6229A36@york.ac.uk> References: <%lpI8.13861$Uk6.2470785@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1022508643 25494 144.32.85.141 (27 May 2002 14:10:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2002 14:10:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!lackawana.kippona.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32180 Hi John How long has the swarm been in the tree? It may be a little late now that the Scout bees are off looking for another home but what I would do is put a brood box under the tree, get a cardboard box and cover the swarm. Shake it into the box and then tip all the bees into your brood box and close it up. With luck you will have got the queen in the box. You will have a mighty commotion of bees flying everywhere but if you have got the queen all those flying outside will follow her into it. It is quite an amazing sight to see a large swarm disappearing into the box. Leave them until late evening to settle and then move the brood box to its intended site. With luck they will stay and settle down. If it is close to the original hive some may fly back to their original hive but you will have enough to start a new colony. If you leave them to make their own discussion there is no guarantee that the swarm will choose your box and my fly off elsewhere, so in my view it is better to give them a helping hand and encourage them to stay by putting them in a nice new home. What do others think. Paul. "john.ford4" wrote: > I am a new, and very novice, beekeeper. I live in Nottingham, England. > My hive has just produced a swarm which is currently settled in an apple > tree around 20 feet or so from their original hive. > I have a second hive waiting which is around 6 feet or so from their > original hive. This is a BS brood box with 10 frames of new foundation + a > dummy board. > I have seen a couple of presumably scout bees entering the new hive. > Do I need to do anything to persuade them into the hive or should I just > wait and see? > Many thanks for any constructive advice. > > John Ford Article 32181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <%lpI8.13861$Uk6.2470785@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> <3CF23E54.6229A36@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: My first swarm! Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:51:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.128.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news8-gui.server.ntli.net 1022514927 80.4.128.69 (Mon, 27 May 2002 16:55:27 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:55:27 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news8-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32181 Thanks, When I first posted the swarm had been in place about 2 hours. I have since spoken to one or two local guys and have basically taken your advice - boxing the swarm and then pouring into the hive. The first time I dropped the branch and they promptly formed up on another slightly further away! I think they are now basically accepting the hive but it was one of the longest, and hottest afternoons, I've spent for some time! One tip I was given was to sprinkle some lemon juice into the hive. Does anyone else have any views or experience of this? Thanks again, John Ford "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3CF23E54.6229A36@york.ac.uk... > Hi John > > How long has the swarm been in the tree? It may be a little late now that the > Scout bees are off looking for another home but what I would do is put a brood > box under the tree, get a cardboard box and cover the swarm. Shake it into the > box and then tip all the bees into your brood box and close it up. With luck > you will have got the queen in the box. > > You will have a mighty commotion of bees flying everywhere but if you have got > the queen all those flying outside will follow her into it. It is quite an > amazing sight to see a large swarm disappearing into the box. > > Leave them until late evening to settle and then move the brood box to its > intended site. With luck they will stay and settle down. If it is close to the > original hive some may fly back to their original hive but you will have > enough to start a new colony. > > If you leave them to make their own discussion there is no guarantee that the > swarm will choose your box and my fly off elsewhere, so in my view it is > better to give them a helping hand and encourage them to stay by putting them > in a nice new home. > > What do others think. > > Paul. > > "john.ford4" wrote: > > > I am a new, and very novice, beekeeper. I live in Nottingham, England. > > My hive has just produced a swarm which is currently settled in an apple > > tree around 20 feet or so from their original hive. > > I have a second hive waiting which is around 6 feet or so from their > > original hive. This is a BS brood box with 10 frames of new foundation + a > > dummy board. > > I have seen a couple of presumably scout bees entering the new hive. > > Do I need to do anything to persuade them into the hive or should I just > > wait and see? > > Many thanks for any constructive advice. > > > > John Ford > Article 32182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Wally Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I get the bees out of the swarm box? Date: 27 May 2002 11:05:12 -0500 Organization: What Organization? We ain't organized. Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!novia!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32182 At least 5 years ago I bought a swarm box from Brushy Mountain. I set it on top of an arbor that had some small kiwi plants. Nothing the first or second year, so I forgot about it. I was pruning the kiwi's (they have grown immensely) this year and my wife commented on all the bees buzzing around the plants. Sure enough, the swarm trap is now covered with vines and quite overgrown and looks to be full of honeybees. How do I get them out of a swarm box and into a hive body without losing the queen and most of the workers. The hive body can be located no more than 50 feet away because of the property size limits. Thank you. Article 32183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: New swarm question Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 53 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:37:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1022528279 209.204.149.222 (Mon, 27 May 2002 12:37:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:37:59 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32183 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:406 As I wrote a couple of days ago, (For those of you in sci.agriculture.beekeeping hearing from me for the first time, the post I refer to was on alt.hobbies.beekeeping) I'm a rookie with a fresh swarm (Hived them early Saturday afternoon) of italian-looking bees parked in a hive, and I'm curious... My "second installment" of the tale that I posted the next morning included mention of the fact that many of the foragers were coming back loaded down with pollen. Now, I may be nuts, but now that I've been pondering the idea, it strikes me as odd that a less-than-24-hours-in-the-hive swarm would be gathering pollen already. They went into "naked" foundation, so until they get comb drawn (which my reading says probably won't be for at least a couple of days, maybe as much as a week?), what are they going to do with it? Eat it on the spot? They sure can't store it anywhere, for the simple reason that there IS NO "anywhere" until they get comb drawn! On the other hand, I guess it's entirely within the realm of reasonable to assume that they aren't going to make an effort to *NOT* gather pollen just because they're a swarm in a new hive... The whole pollen-collection process must be pretty well "automatic" for them - something that more or less "just happens", regardless of whether they've got someplace to store it or not? Also, now that I've been thinking about it for a bit, it's seeming strange to me that there are foragers going out at all. Shouldn't it be a concept of "all hands on deck!" to get some brood cells built and populated, with just a few (relatively speaking) here and there hitting the feeder to tend the queen and keep the wax-makers fed? Yeah, I know... in the wild, they wouldn't have some clumsy ol' human pumping the sugar syrup to 'em, so they'd need to be sending out foragers, but it seems odd to me that they'd be going hunting for chow when they've got the feeder right there in the box with 'em. OK, so just the "business end" of the feeder is right there, but I'm sure you get my point. Then again, human logic and bee logic don't neccesarily "add up" quite the same, do they? Guess I ought to know better from years of working with horses - Sensible to ME doesn't mean sensible to HORSE. Guess the same holds true for bees, huh? :) Maybe I'm just going through "rookie jitters"? Or is this something anybody else has put some thought into? Somehow, I suspect that a two-days-from-never-touched-a-bee rookie ain't going to be coming up with any groundbreaking new concepts in a multi-thousand year old biz, but... Stranger things have happened, right? :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do the traveling beehivers do it? Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:50:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1129.ditto.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1022539315 9667 217.135.118.105 (27 May 2002 22:41:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2002 22:41:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32184 See http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/MovingBees.htm Peter Edwards "rad0" wrote in message news:acs58h$tu4$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > > I was wondering how the traveling bee hive > people move their bees. Am I correct that > there are comercial bee keepers who load > their bee hives onto trucks and move them > around to fields that the bees pollinate. > > I'm asking because I want to move a bee > hive, and I was wondering if you could > simply block the entrance and truck it off > to its new location, unblock the entrance, > and have everything work out OK. > > I want to set up an observation bee hive, > then move it to another location. And I > was wondering how this might be done. > > Thanks. > > Article 32185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Holly Honey Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:28:08 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <1cfa704.0205261725.46439176@posting.google.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYCto6Krhl3pbzzAtRhCwHhPmtsGt5WeXslFHow1Qb/KeqKFVPaDD72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2002 01:27:58 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32185 "Chris Drazba" wrote in message news:1cfa704.0205261725.46439176@posting.google.com... > I live in southern Maryland and started keeping bees last spring. > This is the first year that I will get honey and was wondering > if it will any good. The main honey plants that I can indentify > in any quantity are Holly, Tulip Poplar and Black Locust. I've > read about Locust and Tulip Poplar, but what is Holly Honey like? > > Chris Chris, In my opinion holly makes superb honey. The honey is light (bright yellow when held up to a light), and mild, but full bodied with (to me) a fruity taste. It is an extremely fragrant honey, with a heady, floral scent that can be smelled from across the table. Keith