Article: 8079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeducat Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705052257501666@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5et27b$30j@chronicle.concentric.net> <33063482.BDF@ix.netcom.com> <330E1A57.4E Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8079 *FYI Information wanted! Please reply to Joanne and save me some time. ttul Andy- ---------------------------------------- From: Joanne Romano Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:41:01 +0000 Subject: beeducat I found this great little learning tool out on the web that I downloaded re. honeybees: it had pictures and information for children to learn about honeybees. It was a piece called "beeducat". I can't remember where I got it, and I got the IBM compatable version. Does this sound like something you may have heard of or know where to get? I am interested in getting the MAC version, if there is one. So many schools have MACs. There was an e-mail address on the piece: alwine@aol.com. I don't believe the address exits anymore as it wouldn't process. I'm also curious about the BEE-L archives. Is this out of comission? Thanks for any help you can give! Jo --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vereniging tot Bevordering van de Bijenteelt Article: 8080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Convention UK Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:59:57 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <54gp2CA91EazEwBO@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8080 In article , Tom Speight writes >In article , Jonathan H Robbins > writes >>Another wired UK beekeeper!!!! Good to see and the demo works now all we >>need is a UK group. >> >>Regards from Weymouth Dorset > >I agree. Perhaps if there are enough replies it may be worth starting >one. > > >Regards from the south lakes, Cunbria Count me in - and I know a few more local beekeepers whose communication technology is now approaching that of their bees. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article: 8081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!194.179.1.100!minerva.ibernet.es!news.rediris.es!news.cica.es!filabres.ualm.es!jcuevas From: jcuevas@filabres.ualm.es Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Germinable pollen colected by bees? Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:56:38 +0200 Organization: Centro Informatico Cientifico de Andalucia Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: filabres.ualm.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8081 Hi! Does anybody know is pollen gathered by bees is affected in such a way that can not be used for pollination purposes? I mean pollen grains delivered to the hives, and not pollen grains on the bees bodies. References would be welcome. Is that an stupid question? Article: 8082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MSU looking to hire Date: Tue, 06 May 97 09:06:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17B668028S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bc596d$69b1d260$268cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8082 In article <01bc596d$69b1d260$268cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> "Jack Griffes" writes: > >Michigan State University is currently seeking someone to replace Dr. Roger >Hoopingarner upon his retirement early this Summer. >... >PhD required >... >currently MSU is offering something in the $24-27,000 US range for this >non-tenured position > >a great deal of pressure is being exerted on MSU by beekeepers, growers of >bee pollinated crops and concerned state officials to get the pay up where >MSU can attract and hold a good person interested in working on various >projects including bee pollination and the breeding of bees resistant to >mites and disease in direct cooperation with the beekeepers of MI > $24-$27K and a PhD is required!?!?!??!!! MSU is GOING to have to do a LOT better than that to attract and keep anyone. In today's market that's barely entry level for a BS let alone a PhD! Aaron Morris - thinking I'll keep my day job! Article: 8083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <336F315F.F28A7498@gamewood.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:25:52 -0400 From: ronald turner Reply-To: ret@gamewood.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maverick X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.229.248.157 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!stripey.gamewood.net!206.229.248.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8083 I am looking for A product called Maverick to control the varroa mite. Please advise where to purchase,and how to use       Thanks RET Article: 8084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ott.istar!news.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail From: Aaron Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: keeping bumble bees? Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:24:30 -0400 Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - (410)-685-2000 - info@abs.net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <336F775E.73514B98@cmsinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.cmsinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8084 has anyone had any experience with keeping bumble bees? >from what i've read they dont produce honey, but thats ok. first problem is size, i dont imagine that they like the same size come as honey bees, and i bet the 'bee space' is different. so, is it possible to use equipment built for honey bees? aaron Article 8085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Martin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cordavan queens Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:19:54 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.2.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8085 Howdy Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a different color than the standerd Italian, I have lost the address. Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California I think please let me know. I would also be interested in hearing of any one elses expeiriences with this type of bee. Thanks Don Article 8086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Plans Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:22:10 -0700 Organization: Lines: 3 Message-ID: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mr.net!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8086 Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? Thanks Article 8087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans Date: 7 May 1997 02:29:52 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bc5a8e$d62d9a60$4f8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 06 7:29:52 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8087 jimnvick@humboldt1.com wrote in article <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com>... > Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? > > Thanks > check out Barry's Bee Page - a link to it is on my bee links page -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordavan queens Date: 7 May 1997 02:32:33 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bc5a8f$362133a0$4f8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 06 7:32:33 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8088 Glenn Apiaries - a link to an article about bee breeding is on my bee links site actually cordovan is a color mutation not specific to Italian bees - it changes the body parts that would be black normally to brown - this leaves Italian Cordovans looking sort of red - whilst Carniolan Cordovans look sort of purple -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Don Martin wrote in article <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net>... > Howdy > > Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a > different color than the standerd Italian, I have lost the address. > Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California I > think > please let me know. I would also be interested in hearing of any one > elses expeiriences with this type of bee. > > Thanks > > Don > Article 8090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: 7 May 1997 04:10:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8090 In article , mkc@flea.nexen.com (Mark Culotta) writes: >> I remember reading someplace that "non-inspectable" hives are against USDA >> rules. Skeps are considered to be non-inspectable, as are bee-gums. I am >> not sure what authorities the USDA has... for example, do they only have >> jurisdiction over commerical agriculture (in the USA of course), or can >> they control hobbiest beeekeeping as well? A little late in getting through my e-mail, but ... The U.S Dept of Agriculture is not the one outlawing skeps in the US, that is done by the individual state Dept's of Ag. The reason for this is that the combs cannot be inspected. I believe all states require bees to be kept in hives with moveable frames. The Apiary Inspectors of America could give you more information. Regards, David Morris Laurel, Md Article 8091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beenet uk dialup bbs Message-ID: <862956561@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:09:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8091 Hello UK beekeepers, The Beekeeping bbs in London is a dialup bbs which is a focus for all things beekeeping and ideal for UK contacts. Its a fully interactive system using free Windows software to download. 3 nodes to dial up using terminal software 8.N.1 ansi 0181-695-5328 modem 14400 baud 0181-473-8171 modem Hayes 33k6 baud 0181-244-6123 modem Hayes 33k6 baud We offer a free service to beekeepers with a option to subscribe at £10.00 per year which includes the windows software package on 3 disk. Regards Steve Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dmich321@aol.com (Dmich321) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee business for sale Date: 7 May 1997 09:20:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970507092000.FAA24349@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <9705031757501648@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8094 If only I had the bucks!!!!! But hey, I'm 30% richer in Canadian. Dennis Michigan Article 8096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.he.net!news.iquest.net!ind-0002-2 From: reynoldm@iquest.net (Mike Reynolds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mold Date: Wed, 07 May 97 11:35:46 GMT Organization: IQuest Network Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5kppei$gdc_001@ind-0002-2.iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ind-0002-2.iquest.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8096 I have a couple off brood frames that have a little mold on them. Will the bee be able to clean this up?? I wrapped up a hive body in a trash bag to keep the bee moths out and a couple of the frames smell like they have fermented. Should these be trashed or if I let them air out will they be usable? Tnx Mike R. reynoldm@iquest.net Article 8097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there other beekeeping newsgroups? Date: 7 May 1997 11:40:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bc565f$f1a167a0$38783ccf@dennishome> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8097 The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:37:19 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337074d6.6061478@news.netside.com> References: <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net> <01bc59c7$c1000820$526ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-53.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8099 Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 1-800-233-7929 I've ordered from Brushy Mountain many times, and have been pleased with their products, their prices and their service. The catalog contains useful information as well as product discriptions. They are nice people to do business with. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Following_the_Bloom_ Date: Wed, 07 May 97 08:47:22 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <17B677B9AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8102 Last Friday the ISBN and publisher for _Following_the_Bloom_ by Douglas Whynott was requested. Published by Stackpole Books, the ISBN is 0-8117-1944-8 Highly recommended! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 8103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "carlo ballabio" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee virus? Date: 7 May 1997 15:09:29 GMT Organization: DIGITAL Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.192.4.92 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8103 Does anyone have experience with bee viruses? I think my bees have a virus . A lot of bees are standing out of the entrance door. A lot of them are dark (like an old bee) and they are shivering. There are many died bees out of the hive (100 bees /day). Any suggestion? Regards carlo ballabio Article 8105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: RICK SUK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Medium vs. Deep Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:07:14 -0700 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-12.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8105 I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? Article 8106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 8 May 1997 02:19:18 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Message-ID: <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 07 9:19:18 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8106 RICK SUK wrote in article <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com>... > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? > We were well into the process of switching over to all 6-5/8" supers (mediums) when it became clear that with every other HIP Cooperator using Deeps (9-5/8") we (Griffes) were causing a imcompatible frame problem in the breeding cooperative. So despite the fact I MUCH prefer the mediums and the total interchangeability we are switching at least partly back to Deeps brood chambers. Potential drawbacks 1) if you buy Nucs they will likely come in Deep frames 2) interchangeability means you end up with brood comb (attractive to wax moth) mixed in amongst the honey comb (relatively unattractive if it has never had brood) 3) hmmm- must be more - maybe someone else will add to the list -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA e-mail Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P A N Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:58:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705071953351676@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bc2360$27469160$488cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Lines: 146 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8107 P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www.panna.or /panna/===================================== ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== May 5, 1997 Groups Stop Caltrans Herbicide Spraying California's transportation agency, Caltrans, manages 230,000 acres of roadsides situated along 15,000 miles of state highways. The agency spends $30 million each year maintaining roadside vegetation, most of it on the application of weed- killing herbicides. Rural grassroots activists recently prevailed against this colossal agency in their long fight to stop pesticide applications on public highways. Eight hundred miles of California highways are now herbicide-free. Communities in the rural northwest corner of California scored a big win in their quarter-century battle for herbicide-free public roads when Caltrans announced in March 1997 that it would halt spraying on highways in the region at the behest of local governments. With 230,000 acres of roadside under its management, Caltrans has long been the largest single user of synthetic pesticides in the state. However on March 17, officials in District 1 -- covering Lake, Mendocino, Humboldt and Del Norte counties -- announced they will stop spraying wherever local governments request it. Two weeks later, Humboldt County Supervisors voted unanimously for non-toxic roadsides, joining elected officials in Mendocino County and the city of Arcata. Only one community, Fortuna, opted to keep highway spraying. Residents of the rugged, sparsely populated north coast of California have mobilized against spraying of herbicides -- initially 2,4-D and simazine, more recently Roundup and diuron -- on roadsides since 1972. Most counties and cities in the area gave up herbicides for roadside weed control during the 1980's in response to intense pressure from local opponents. But Caltrans persisted until 1989 when Californians for Alternatives to Toxics (CATs) -- a clearinghouse for community anti-toxic groups scattered throughout northern California -- organized 23 groups in 14 counties to sue under state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an environmental report. Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, Poison Free, Toxic Outcry and others joined forces with established organizations Center for Ethics and Toxics, Lake County HEAL, Mendocino Environmental Center and Friends of Del Norte. CATs was a resource for information, networking and regional strategy. By early 1997 rallies were occurring somewhere almost weekly, and more than 4,000 people had signed petitions. Protests escalated dramatically in the month preceding Caltrans' policy reversal. Several well-attended rallies were held at sites located hundreds of miles apart, then the arrest of four protesters who blocked a spray truck galvanized resisters region wide; many vowed to do the same. The actions helped generate high-profile media coverage. Representatives to the state legislature took a strong position in defense of local determination. Caltrans submitted this time when it realized that the issue transcended traditional community divisions and had gained broad support. Opponents included Indian tribes (one demanded an end to spraying on reservation highways), loggers, parents of schoolchildren, tourism promoters, rural mail deliverers, farmers, disabled and immune-compromised people, health practitioners and thousands of others who rarely, if ever, consider themselves hard-core environmentalists. As conservative Humboldt County supervisor Bonnie Neely put it, "This is a roadside vegetation management problem to Caltrans -- but to the people of this county it is a health issue. The county doesn't spray its roadsides and neither should the state." In its long-awaited environmental report which was published in 1992, Caltrans proposed a snail-paced schedule of a 50% reduction in herbicide use by the year 2000 and an 80% reduction by 2012. The agency claims to have reduced its use of herbicides by 34% statewide since then, mainly by narrowing the width of the area defoliated on highway shoulders. To help steer its way into a less toxic future, Caltrans recently published a several hundred thousand dollar report on alternative vegetation control and is currently building an extensive, site-specific data-base about native plants, one of the most promising options to replace chemicals. Nevertheless, the sprawling agency has been slow to employ alternatives. In several districts, herbicides are still applied at a rate of several pounds per acre each year -- and overall only a handful of local managers are aware of non- chemical vegetation control options. Although Caltrans' local determination policy is currently limited to northwestern California, it could have broad implications for anti-toxics activists in other areas of the state. Source: CATs, April 17, 1997; Center for Ethics and Toxics, April 8, 1997; The Crop Duster, April 1997. Contacts: Californians for Alternatives to Toxics, 860 1/2 11th Street, Arcata, CA 95521; phone (707) 822-8497; email cats@igc.org. Center for Ethics and Toxics, 39175 S. Highway One, P.O. Box 673, Gualala, CA 95445; phone (707) 884-1700; fax (707) 884- 1846; cetos@cetos.org. Toxic Outcry, P.O. 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Article 8108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.scott.net!usenet From: jeffj@scott.net (Jeff) Newsgroups: ec.music.hip-hop,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.albanian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.argentina,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.assyrian,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.austria,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.belgium,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.berber,soc.culture.bolivia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.bulgaria Subject: Re: Boycott Holiday Inn Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 03:56:57 GMT Organization: No Organization Specified Lines: 51 Message-ID: <33714da4.20252630@news.scott.net> References: <3361507A.3977@compuserve.com> <336165EF.102A@earthlink.net> <33673F67.287A@burn.in.hell.spammers> <336934f7.1754200@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup22.scott.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.pets.birds:88341 sci.agriculture:19793 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8108 soc.culture.afghanistan:27086 soc.culture.african:65665 soc.culture.african.american:319966 soc.culture.albanian:7137 soc.culture.arabic:67091 soc.culture.argentina:82840 soc.culture.asean:31965 soc.culture.asian.american:188886 soc.culture.assyrian:9838 soc.culture.australian:86568 soc.culture.austria:32727 soc.culture.baltics:25613 soc.culture.bangladesh:77384 soc.culture.belgium:62102 soc.culture.bengali:50476 soc.culture.berber:4980 soc.culture.bolivia:29179 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:61868 soc.culture.brazil:77086 soc.culture.british:253882 soc.culture.bulgaria:46193 On Thu, 01 May 1997 06:30:33 GMT, bbasford@msn.com (Bobby) wrote: >Timothy Lee wrote: > > >>Boycott them, hell! Does anyone have their toll-free reservations >>number? It's sickening to see the Rebel flag flying as though it were >>something to inspire pride. Does anyone recall that one of the >>"peculiar institutions" they defended was human slavery? We beat the >>Rebels then, and thank goodness for it. >> >>-- >>Timothy Lee >>University of Pennsylvania BSE '91 / MBA '98 >>Alumnus of the United States Navy >>timoth31@wharton.upenn.edu > > >If I recall correctly, the "peculiar insitution" was was defended by >the US goverment (Dred Scott decision) and the US slave ships were all >northern. > >The Rebel flag didn't have anything to do with it. It just another >example of political correctness gone crazy. > >And furthermore, many Southerners are proud that their ancestors >served in Southern armies to fight off northern invaders. > >You won't find me at a Holiday Inn. > > Amen ! ! ! As a Southerner with ancestors that served in the war I am proud of my heritage. I do NOT believe in slavery or oppresion of any type. I just wish that people would quit blaming me for some injustices that happened over 100 years ago! By the way, the above statement about the rebel flag is quite true! Just because some people choose to live in the South does not mean that they are skinheads or members of the KKK. As a matter of fact, my best friend is a black male, he and I get along with no problems whatsoever. He is welcome at my house and I am welcome at his house. It doesn't seem to bother either of our neighbors either. The media always portrays the South as being full of white male bigots, who drive on dirt roads, have cars doors that are welded shut and frequently burn crosses. You'll have to take my word as a white male from Alabama (The Heart of Dixie) that it just ain't true! 73 de KF4KGQ Jeff Johns jeffj@scott.net Article 8109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 22:07:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33715F94.5D9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8109 RICK SUK wrote: > > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? I started two hives this year with mediums and they sure are easier to lift than my friends deeps I've worked with. You could always change later if you want, the extras would make good honey supers. I'm thinking of trying top-bar hives. After all, this is a hobby. Pete Article 8110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: _Following_the_Bloom_ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:58:55 +1509 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3272415F.14D3@itl.net> References: <17B677B9AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap124-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8110 Aaron Morris wrote: > > Last Friday the ISBN and publisher for _Following_the_Bloom_ by Douglas > Whynott was requested. Published by Stackpole Books, the ISBN is > 0-8117-1944-8 > Highly recommended! > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Very many thanks. I'll be ordering it today. Morley. Article 8111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives around Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 08:16:08 +1509 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 14 Message-ID: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap124-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8111 I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily done in such a small place. As hives are moved around so much in US and used to pollinate vast orchards etc., doesn't the risk of spreading varroa increase accordingly? I know it's not popular with everyone but given the really large numbers of bees being wiped out by disease, would any/many of you consider mandatory use of Apistan inevitable? Indeed, would such a requirement be enforceable over such a large area? Do any large crop producers have their own apiaries or do they all rely on migrant colonies? Morley Article 8113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!delos.dra.hmg.gb!trog.dra.hmg.gb!not-for-mail From: "Robert K Black" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying or not laying? Date: 8 May 1997 08:29:16 GMT Organization: LISA Message-ID: <01bc5857$ab91f640$c80b5092@internet> References: <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu> <5ka26j$dh7@usenet11.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.11.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8113 I would not take a chance with a new queen if the old queen is in the colony the chances are that the bees will kill the new queen. If you think that there is a queen in there, then if you cannot find her I would brush all the bees into an empty box put an excluder over the top and then place the brood on top of that. The bees will move up within the hour and the queen and drones will be left under the excluder Article 8115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives around Date: 8 May 1997 12:41:41 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 62 Message-ID: <01bc5bad$73129a00$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 08 5:41:41 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8115 Morley wrote in article <32724568.6BED@itl.net>... > I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and > use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given > specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily > done in such a small place. > And a very good step toward loss prevention as long as the mandatory treatment dates are correctly timed based on the biological realities of parasitism in your particular environment. > As hives are moved around so much in US and used to pollinate vast > orchards etc., doesn't the risk of spreading varroa increase > accordingly? Yep - but it is the only practical alternative considering our agricultural practices today. >I know it's not popular with everyone but given the really > large numbers of bees being wiped out by disease, would any/many of you > consider mandatory use of Apistan inevitable? Indeed, would such a > requirement be enforceable over such a large area? In some states Apistan use is already mandatory. Enforceable over such a large area as the entire USA? - no - especially not when regulations on such things come from the states (meaning 50 different sets of regs). But realize that the mites enforce the use of some sort of miticidal treatment even if it is a biological one in all but the exceedingly rare few colonies that can actually survive and thrive without treatment. > > Do any large crop producers have their own apiaries or do they all rely > on migrant colonies? Morley > Most times the large growers concentrate on what they are good at - growing. They hire out the other work such as pollination to folks that are good at that. This concentrates the talents of each party on the things they know about resulting in a more stable predictable result despite the huge number of environmental variables in every outdoor production agricultural enterprise. So the short answer is that virtually all the large growers (and most of the small ones too) rely on beekeepers to supply bees to pollinate what they grow - they do this for economic reasons - it costs them less to rent colonies when they need them that it does to care for them all year so they have them when they need them. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Surfing the B-Net Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 04:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705080713181684@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8116 OLd Drone Surfs the Beekeeper Internet Highway. 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He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, Article 8117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tlocicero@aol.com (TLocicero) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P A N Date: 8 May 1997 14:59:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970508145900.KAA10330@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <9705071953351676@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8117 In article <9705071953351676@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed >to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an >environmental report. > >Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and >the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal >grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, What were the reasons given for resumption of spraying? Article 8118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mercury.arc.ab.ca!usenet From: Ray FAN Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Potato Chip Making Equipment Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:06:43 -0700 Organization: Alberta Research Council Lines: 33 Message-ID: <33720823.1560@arc.ab.ca> Reply-To: fan@arc.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: edmdhcp106.arc.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5BDA69FA1847" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8118 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5BDA69FA1847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering if this is the right site for posting my question? --------------5BDA69FA1847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="look_for.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="look_for.txt" Looking for Potato Chip Making Equipment: Industry scale Small capacity: 100 ~ 500 kg/day raw potato production capacity Production line or any of washing, peeling, slicing, frying/drying and packaging equipment. Any info on manufacturer of Potato Chip Making Equipment. please send E-Mail to: fan@arc.ab.ca Thanks a lot for your help. Ray --------------5BDA69FA1847-- Article 8119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there other beekeeping newsgroups? Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:22:59 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5kqocc$b9c$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <01bc565f$f1a167a0$38783ccf@dennishome> <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-156.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8119 OUTSANDING JOB on these pages, first rate graphis, and up to date information for all beekeepers. ttul, the OLd Drone Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html >-- >_________________ >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html > Article 8120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Thu, 08 May 97 11:09:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17B689CDDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8120 In article <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> on 8 May 1997 02:19:18 GMT you write: > >RICK SUK wrote in article >... recommended using three mediums instead of two >> deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all >>interchangeable parts if I used all medium equipment. Being a small >>operation, I can see the advantage. What are >my drawbacks? >> >... >Potential drawbacks >1) if you buy Nucs they will likely come in Deep frames >2) interchangeability means you end up with brood comb (attractive to wax >moth) mixed in amongst the honey comb (relatively unattractive if it has >never had brood) >3) hmmm- must be more - maybe someone else will add to the list > Another drawback is there are 30 frames to examine vs 20 frames, which can make the queen all the more elusive. Another plus is that hefting a full medium is easier on the back than hefting a full deep. I've experimented with mixing a medium and a deep for the brood chamber with mediums over a queen excluder for honey supers. Works in mild winters but it's iffy if the winter is hard. Aaron Morris - thinking for every pro there is a con! Article 8122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!azure.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: 8 May 1997 17:33:21 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bc5b19$680fb0a0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23-falcon-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8122 Yes I was amazed at this piece of legislation. I suppose the idea is to try to stop disease but I don't suppose that there is any law which makes you inspect your hives. What happens to wild colonies, are they doomed to extermination on sight? What happens if you neglect to examine your hives. Does some officer from the USDA come along and do it for you. Are you fined, imprisoned, or what happens? -- Harry Scotland Knitwear web site at: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ : > > >> I remember reading someplace that "non-inspectable" hives are against > USDA > >> rules. Skeps are considered to be non-inspectable, as are bee-gums. I > am > >> not sure what authorities the USDA has.... > > The U.S Dept of Agriculture is not the one outlawing skeps in the US, that > is done by the individual state Dept's of Ag. The reason for this is that > the combs cannot be inspected. I believe all states require bees to be > kept in hives with moveable frames. The Apiary Inspectors of America > could give you more information. > Article 8123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.structured.net!news.iac.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.cmc.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:48:27 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33721109.9485017@news.netside.com> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42-100.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8123 I use deeps for brood, shallow for extracting. I've thought about converting to all one size to gain the convenience of standardization, but avoided the mid size because of the weight when full of honey. Shallow with nine frames is heavy enough for me. I've even thought about using shallows for everything, but haven't tried it yet. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!not-for-mail From: "Bruce A. Vance" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raccoons? and bees Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:33:16 -0500 Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0160.remote.louisville.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8125 Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear family. Any advice? Thanks Bruce Article 8126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!ott.istar!n4ott.istar!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: graeme Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pest control calendar?? Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:50:27 -0400 Organization: InterNet Kingston, Kingston Ont. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337266C3.5CD6@adan.kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sentinel-107.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8126 Hi there. I am a new beekeeper who has had trouble with keeping my bees alive. Year one saw an animal remove my lid on my solitary hive, and year two it's looking like mites. :( I am now looking for any kind of suggested 'Pest Control Calendar'. Any sort of time-table schedule guideline for the Kingston Ontario area. Any help? Thanks. Graeme Peterson, Kingston Ontario. graeme@adan.kingston.net Article 8127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!iagnews.iagnet.net!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Hara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New package ... queen dead Date: 9 May 1997 01:10:58 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group [www.iagnet.net] Abuse:abuse@iagnet.net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-21.stratos.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8127 Hello and thanks for reading, My 3 lb. package of bees was installed on new foundation five days ago and the queen was dead on arrival. The supplier is sending a replacement but have not received her yet and am getting concerned. I am in northeastern Ohio and it has been very cool and rainy this week. Dandelions have been out for about two weeks. How long can the group go without the queen? I want to avoid laying workers. How long before this starts. Bees are being feed in hive with gallon can and are drawing comb nicely on a few frames. A local fellow has queens for sale but would like to wait for suppliers replacement if I have time ... question is ... do I? Thankyou Rob Article 8128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package ... queen dead Date: 9 May 1997 03:00:35 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bc5c1e$5d9bd800$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 08 8:00:35 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8128 Howdy Rob, see more mixed in amongst your text Robert O'Hara wrote in article <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net>... > Hello and thanks for reading, > My 3 lb. package of bees was installed on new foundation five > days ago and the queen was dead on arrival. The supplier is sending > a replacement but have not received her yet and am getting concerned. > I am in northeastern Ohio and it has been very cool and rainy this > week. Dandelions have been out for about two weeks. How long can > the group go without the queen? get the new queen in ASAP - until then keep the old queen in the cage in the cluster to help somewhat in promoting colony cohesion (even just a empty queen cage that fairly recently used to have a queen in it will attract bees) >I want to avoid laying workers. > How long before this starts. generally takes workers that are queenless about two weeks to become serious laying workers though there are laying workers even in queenright hives at times (maybe all the time) >Bees are being feed in hive with gallon > can and are drawing comb nicely on a few frames. A local fellow has > queens for sale but would like to wait for suppliers replacement if I > have time ... question is ... do I? it should not take more than a couple to maybe four days to get the queen to you - that should not be a problem - if it goes longer than that best call the supplier and see what is up -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeed2!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 04:07:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8129 In article Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. What reference is there for the quote, above? How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? Article 8131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mindspring!firehose.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news.service.emory.edu!news.bna.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: Leigh Darnall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 01:04:54 -0500 Organization: Tanith and Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-16-168.bna.bellsouth.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8131 A not-even-Newbie-yet question: We are rural folks interested in keeping bees to pollinate our pastures and family garden. How do I get started? What good books do you recommend? Do I have to have multiple hives or can I do a small hive and still do well? Will a domestic hive upset the wild bees I have now? Does home-harvested honey have to be pasteurized to be safe? I've been told that Guinea hens will wipe out a hive by snapping up the bees exiting the box. Will my chicken flock of broilers and layers do the same? Just get me started and I'll start reading.... Thanks, Leigh (who knows about cattle, horses, chickens and children but is clueless about bees) Article 8132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: "Steve Shapson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Honey/Quantity Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:38:03 -0500 Organization: Steve Shapson Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5ku66l$nlg@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: andor-08.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8132 I am interested in securing a supplier of orange blossom or other light flavored honey in larger quantities for resale to our customers in Wisconsin. Please contact Steve Shapson tel: 414 241 8862 store email: force10@execpc.com Article 8133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 9 May 1997 10:27:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5kuu63$m4a$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <33721109.9485017@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8133 The queen will lay more in larger frames. 3 Mediums for a brood chamber Works in Virginia, four total for overwintering. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenbjan@aol.com (QueenB Jan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: 9 May 1997 11:22:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970509112201.HAA14036@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8136 I can't answer all your questions, but I do recommend a few web sites that may help you. Start with: ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm It may whet your interest, but best of all, it contains links to other pages on beekeeping. You can "surf" to your hearts content. Janice Green Article 8137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!news.ncl.ac.uk!aidan!nrs3 From: Robert Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans Date: 9 May 1997 11:34:08 GMT Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5kv23g$8l5@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> References: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aidan.ncl.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8137 jimnvick@humboldt1.com wrote: > Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? > Thanks http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html has plans for one of these, also a 10 frame w.b.c and 10 frame langstroth hive. All in acrobat format. Cheers, Rob. Article 8138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.santaclara.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 02:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705090450341699@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <19970508145900.KAA10330@ladder01.news.aol.com> <9705071953351676@beenet.com> Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8138 T>From: tlocicero@aol.com (TLocicero) T>>state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed >>to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an >>environmental report. >>Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and >>the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal >>grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, T>What were the reasons given for resumption of spraying? IMHO, two, one they complied with the "environmental report" provisions of the state law. And they thought the public would not notice or were no longer interested and they could get away with it... I am not a rank environmentalist other then when it comes to bees, bee pasture plants, but one must live in this state to understand what happens in an area that does not get rain for eight or nine months a year. Those harmless bi weekly application of chemicals made to public lands and rightaways just builds up and then the rains come and what was guaranteed to be harmless suddenly is not.. ttul Andy- "all bad thoughts about the chemical industry will come true" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever. Article 8139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:25:18 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8139 In article <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com>, carlo ballabio writes >Does anyone have experience with bee viruses? >I think my bees have a virus . > >A lot of bees are standing out of the entrance door. >A lot of them are dark (like an old bee) and they are shivering. >There are many died bees out of the hive (100 bees /day). > >Any suggestion? > > >Regards > >carlo ballabio Seems very much like Nosema, a tracheal mite. These are only discernable by microscopic examination. Collect a matchbox full of bees and have your local Bee Disease Officer (or whatever the title is in your area) check them out. -- Tom S Article 8140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Date: 9 May 1997 10:19:48 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19970509141901.KAA14303@ladder02.news.aol.com> X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Subject: CT beekepping Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8140 Well yesterday I hived a swarm of bees which I am not certain came from my hive although it was within about 25 feet of it. That brings me up to 20 colonies which is enough for a hobbiest to handle. Odd thing about the swarm was the hive nearby had an adult queen in it and was still relatively crowded. They lit in a hedge so other than nettles they were pretty easy to hive. Anybody in SE CT or S RI needs bees and has been unable to purchase them give me a shout I would rather make up nucs for swarm control than lose bees 40ft up a tree anytime. So far requeening has gone on without a hitch one more hive to check this afternoon to see if her majesty has been released and if so we will have 100% acceptance. Article 8141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raccoons? and bees Date: Fri, 09 May 97 09:59:26 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <17B698C81S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8141 In article <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> "Bruce A. Vance" writes: > > Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will >simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear >family. > >Any advice? > >Thanks >Bruce Investigate an electric bear fence if finances allow. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 8143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!line48.du.tele.net!user From: dominik@sele.LOL.li (Dominik Sele) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: searching for mac - beekeeping software Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:56:55 +0200 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: line48.du.tele.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8143 Hello I'm a beekeeper from Liechtenstein (Europe) and searching for beekeeping software for macintosh computers. Can anybody help me ? Thanks Dominik Sele-Schaechle dominik@sele.lol.li Article 8144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.communique.net!communique!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:14:03 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d13.dial-5.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8144 I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority of the state to tell me what to do with my bees . In other words, they should mid their own bees wax. Also, I do not see the benefit of requiring inspectable hives, other than makin some government bureaucrat's job easier. Why don't they go arrest some wild bees for nesting in a tree? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 8145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!news-peer.gsl.net!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Keith Benson DVM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:09:21 -0500 Organization: UW School of Veterinary Medicine Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33737661.4D52@facstaff.wisc.edu> References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.92.48.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8145 Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article >Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right > >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans > >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native > >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. > >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees > >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and > >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. > > What reference is there for the quote, above? > How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? There were no origional american honeybees (Apis mellifera), as to the natives, just take a gander at the bumbles, orchard, leafcutter bees etc. Keith Keith Benson DVM Special Species Health Service/Urgent Care University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine bensonk@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu (office) kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (home) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2011/ Article 8146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.jax.bellsouth.net!news.mco.bellsouth.net!news.mia.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: miamimyk@bellsouth.net (Michael R.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:07:01 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-121-55.mia.bellsouth.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8146 I was wondering if anyone knew where I might purchase a decent and large observation hive. I recently repsonded to a simular question, however I was distrought when I realized the colony that my vendor was selling was only 33x25x8 cm. And they wanted $122 (shipping included). Any info would be helpfull, as I miss keeping bees so much!!! An observation hive would help sneek it past the nosey neighbors. Thanks! Michael :) Article 8147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:23:06 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8147 In article , Tom Speight writes >Seems very much like Nosema, a tracheal mite. These are only discernable >by microscopic examination. Collect a matchbox full of bees and have >your local Bee Disease Officer (or whatever the title is in your area) >check them out. Oops! Sorry, I meant Acarine. -- Tom Speight Article 8148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:20:09 -0700 Organization: Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33739509.532E@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp40.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.apfel.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8148 Many thanks to those who directed me to observation hive plans. I have a couple of questions about them: Are observation hives intended to be "stand alone" hives, or can you just take three frames from an existing hive and put them in the observation hive for a day - or two? Would the fact that they have no queen screw them up for later reuniting with the main hive? Thanks Article 8149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Brand Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 21:03:32 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dam-as1s52.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 9 May 1997 21:03:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8149 Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell with/through other organs as well? Article 8150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Date: 10 May 1997 02:17:02 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bc5cde$f3866ea0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 09 9:17:02 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8150 Michael R. wrote in article <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net>... > > > I was wondering if anyone knew where I might purchase a decent and > large observation hive. I recently repsonded to a simular question, > however I was distrought when I realized the colony that my vendor was > selling was only 33x25x8 cm. And they wanted $122 (shipping > included). Any info would be helpfull, as I miss keeping bees so > much!!! An observation hive would help sneek it past the nosey > neighbors. Hmmm - one of the bee magazines ran an article on a observation hive a fellow had made large enough to put a super or two on. It was HUGE as far as observation hives goes - seems like it weighed 100plus pounds empty or something like that - well made like a fine cabinet - multi-comb thickness though so you might not see the queen too often. Anybody have that reference at hand? -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:34:48 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5l0mn6$m0v$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8151 In article <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net>, Leigh Darnall wrote: >A not-even-Newbie-yet question: > >We are rural folks interested in keeping bees to pollinate our pastures >and family garden. How do I get started? Buy one of those kits from the Dadant catalog, it will have all you need for starters including directions, I'm pretty sure. The bees themselves come as "package bees", a box of bees you pour into your new hive. The queen is in the package too. What good books do you >recommend? Do I have to have multiple hives or can I do a small hive and >still do well? I tried one small hive and it grew so fast I added several stories onto it to give them more room. That queen just keeps laying, and laying, and laying Will a domestic hive upset the wild bees I have now? no Does >home-harvested honey have to be pasteurized to be safe? no. it is pure and delicious. This year I am producing, with the help of the queen and her bees, straight comb out of a top bar hive. You have to be a little more experienced for this type of hive. I've been told >that Guinea hens will wipe out a hive by snapping up the bees exiting >the box. Will my chicken flock of broilers and layers do the same? Je ne sais pas.> >Just get me started and I'll start reading.... > >Thanks, > >Leigh (who knows about cattle, horses, chickens and children but is >clueless about bees) GO FOR IT! It is truly fascinating and will be good for your property. Article 8152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.pagesat.net!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!in1.nntp.cais.net!NEWS1!not-for-mail From: wdecker@3n.net (Walker Decker) Subject: Re: cordavan queens Message-ID: <3373dc57.1309961@news.3n.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:29:36 GMT References: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/16.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8152 Don Martin wrote: ->Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a ->different color than the standard Italian, I have lost the address. ->Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California... The website you are referring to is: Glenn Apiaries http://member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home.html I don't have any of their queens, but I was thinking about trying one. Walker Decker Kinsale, Virginia Article 8153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!agate!nntpfeed.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying or not laying? Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:40:38 -0700 Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33728EA6.27F9@open.ac.uk> References: <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu> <5k8qhs$dsd$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8153 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Bruce A. Vance wrote in article <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu>... > > However, the bees are beginning to cap some cells. Are these > >brood cells or honey cells? > The OLd Drone uses this scientific method....."uncap a cell or as many as > needed and taste contents" > The honey should taste sweeter then the bee grubs depending on your own > tastes, some say the grubs are salty, but I suspect they are not. Oh, yuk! you are a one. But, I know someone who once removed an established swarm from a disused chimney above a Chinese restaurant, and was asked for brood comb by a waiter - quote "velly milky - a delicacy!" - any reason to suppose bee larvae are eaten in some parts of the world? > Good Lunch, ttul the OLd Drone Whurp! Grooosh! Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 8154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!worldnet.att.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.silcom.com!paulc From: paulc@silcom.com (Paul Cronshaw,D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:06:28 -0700 Organization: Milpas Chiropractic Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-7.sba.silcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8154 In article <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net>, mpayne@gte.net wrote: > Any one know where I can get a good catalog on buying bee supplies. > Thanks for any help you can give me. Mark. PLEASE e-mail to > mpayne@gte.net Try MannLake 1-800-233-6663 http://www.mannlakeltd.com Just a happy customer of this company -- Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro and Hobby Beekeeper Santa Barbara CA Article 8155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: small@children Subject: photo district Organization: ikonta Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:34:48 -0400 Lines: 27 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!graylady.usa1.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8155 Hi, we'll get right to the point. We operate one of the finest quality custom color labs in the USA. To introduce you to our service we're offering the following Internet enlargement special: Your color negatives hand printed on Kodak Supra Professional 16x20 inch paper. All negatives printed full frame. 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Article 8158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: 10 May 1997 18:47:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5l2fsq$qsa$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8158 In article <3373F394.15A4@erols.com>, Charles Brand wrote: >Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell >with/through other organs as well? Good question. I'd say only antennae. But you never can be too sure. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!news-peer.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: King blossoms open Date: 10 May 1997 21:06:25 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bc5d86$06d5b180$656ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-37.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 10 4:06:25 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8159 Just noted that the king blossoms (first to open in a cluster of blossoms) on one of our Apple trees here at home are open. And after several days of chilly rainy weather we are having a sunny pleasant day with folks yards just covered with all those lovely yellow flowers of springtime, the dandelions. Wed. 7 May 1997 was our first graft of this season. I grafted 220 cups and my 8 yr. old boy, Jared, grafted 20. The weather has been less than the best for cell building the past few days but the cell builders had been set up with more than enough bees, fresh pollen and unripened never capped honey so they at least had every advantage we could give them. Got to go till the garden (if it isn't too wet) and plant peas and potatoes. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Jan Tempelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching for mac - beekeeping software Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:28:24 +0200 Organization: Home Message-ID: <3374E86F.2199@xs4all.nl> References: Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: spy01-12.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:26:14 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8160 Dominik Sele wrote: > > Hello > I'm a beekeeper from Liechtenstein (Europe) and searching for beekeeping > software for macintosh computers. > WHOTE DO YOU NEED???? -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. 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We do authorize and encourage the forwarding of this message to interested parties, for the purpose of informing them of Internet Communications Inc. services. Article 8162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevedorer@aol.com (StevedoreR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chunk Honey Date: 10 May 1997 22:34:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <19970510223201.SAA19147@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <01bc5954$3c942d00$48567ec2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8162 5 May 1997, Peter Williams wrote: >This year some of my regular customers have requested chunk honey. Does >anyone have advice on the presentation and bottling of this product - I'm >not sure as to the best way of reducing the bubbles which could be trapped >between honey and comb. Any other tips would be gratefully received. Quoting from a book called The Complete Guide to Beekeeping by Roger A. Morse ©1986 on pages 147 and 148 ——— "Chunk honey is a piece(s) of cut comb honey in a jar surrounded by liquid honey. Chunk-honey packs have been favorites in the southern states for decades. However, most of the honeys produced in the southern states are much slower to granulate than those produced in the northern states. Thus a chunk-honey pack would have a shelf life of four to six months in the south while in the north a similar pack might have a shelf life of only a few weeks. A granulated chunk-honey pack has little appeal to the average purchaser. "Producers of combs of honey to be cut into smaller pieces usually follow the same management techniques used by comb honey producers; however, it is not necessary to pay quite so much attention to detail. The fact that there are no dividers or fences between the combs, as there are in comb honey supers, makes the chunk-honey supers less crowded and swarming is not so much of a problem. Chunk-honey producers do not need to crowd their colonies to force the bees to fill every section. Pieces of comb not perfectly filled may be trimmed or not used at all without too much monetary loss. In the production of comb honey a producer cannot afford to discard too many sections just because of the extra cost of the wood and labor involved in preparing the supers. "It is possible to produce a few frames of chunk honey by placing the frames in the center of an ordinary extracting honey super. If this is done, the super should have only light-colored combs on either side of the frames in which chunk honey is to be produced; otherwise, the chunk-honey frames will be travel-stained and will not have a good appearance. Whenever a light-colored comb is placed next to an old, dark comb, it can be observed that bees just walking from one comb to another carry enough residue on their feet to stain the new comb. Removing the newly filled comb, in the case of the production of both comb honey and chunk honey, is advisable for the same reason." I had something else about bottling it - from Dadant, I think, and I'll try to send that when I find it or get another one. Steve Article 8163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevedorer@aol.com (StevedoreR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: inactive 3# package of Starlines Date: 10 May 1997 22:43:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8163 I recently installed a 3# package of Starlines in a row of other newly installed 2# Italian packages (same day), but the Italians don't fly around as much. I though that Starlines are the best honey producers. Also, in the time it took the Starlines to eat an inch off their 5# jar of 2:1 medicated sugar syrup, 3 of the 11 Italians had emptied theirs. The hive is queenright, and has capped brood. Does anyone know why they're so inactive? Thanks, Steve Article 8164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: inactive 3# package of Starlines Date: 11 May 1997 00:10:45 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc5d9f$ca39cc60$516ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 10 5:10:45 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8164 StevedoreR wrote in article <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > I recently installed a 3# package of Starlines in a row of other newly > installed 2# Italian packages (same day), but the Italians don't fly > around as much. I though that Starlines are the best honey producers. > Also, in the time it took the Starlines to eat an inch off their 5# jar of > 2:1 medicated sugar syrup, 3 of the 11 Italians had emptied theirs. The > hive is queenright, and has capped brood. Does anyone know why they're so > inactive? > > Thanks, > Steve > Howdy Steve, When you buy package bees only the queen's strain type is specified. The bees in the package could be from a completely different race or stock type. So you can't judge them until the queen's progeny has pretty much replaced the bees from the package. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!a3bsrv.nai.net!usenet From: Lieberman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Extractor Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:21:20 -0400 Organization: North American Internet Lines: 2 Message-ID: <33752D1E.1CAB@ct2.nai.net> Reply-To: mkl@ct2.nai.net NNTP-Posting-Host: torrington-usr1-37.nai.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8165 Have a Kelly #200 two frame extractor with stainless tank for sale in Connecticut, $125 860-567-9787 or mkl@ct2.nai.net Article 8166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.visi.net!news.infi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: mystang Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:27:34 -0700 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337574E6.4E7A@pottsville.infi.net> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa2dsp12.pot.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8166 RICK SUK wrote: > > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? My two cents worth. I'm in my 2nd year and use 2 deeps, and am planning on using mediums the rest of the way. Empty deeps in between 2 inner covers work well with gallon pickle jars for feeding. My 11 hives are exceeding my expectations. MIKE Article 8167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!mr.net!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there bees in your clover? Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:24:59 -0700 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33754A1B.4864@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp49.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8167 There are over 3500 species of bees in North America - and they all pollinate. Honey bees are the most recognized and appreciated since they provide us with the sweet stuff. Jim -- /// =@()(() \\\ Article 8168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-Bar Hive Question Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:41:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8168 I have become interested in Top-Bar hives and have been reading what I can find here on the net, but I still have a few questions before I start nailing. 1. How do keep brood and honey separated? 2. Do you install the bees at the entrance end and move a divider down as they grow, or do they make an orderly progression down the hive on their own? Thanks, Pete Article 8169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: The beekeeping bbs Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:27:17 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <33755836.946412@news.wn.com.au> References: <863243789@amigabee.org.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8169 >You can now logon with your browser! The Beekeeping bbs at: >HTTP://WWW194.112.46.22 or Telnet & FTP at the IP Address: 194.112.46.22 >The Beekeeping bbs home page allows access to the bbs using HTML I dont seem to be able to log in with my browser, have I misunderstood something? Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributors of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: gordon.cameron@zetnet.co.uk (Gordon Cameron) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mason or masonry bees Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:24:56 GMT Message-ID: <337580e9.88864625@znews.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-064.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8170 Can anyone give me information on bees that live in the wall of my house. I have just moved to an old (1840) house in East Lothian, Scotland and the south facing wall by the window seems to be home to a large group of bees. They enter through small holes in the pointing between the brickwork. I have four young children and a young and inquisitive dog. Do the bees pose any hazard? Do they sting - I've been told that they probably dont - or are there any other steps I should take re the childrens safety? I would like to leave the bees in peace - but would have to convince myself and my wife that they are harmless. Any advice will be gratefully received - either by return posting or by email. Gordon. Article 8171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <336E2CF3.2E7D@tdsbbs.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 13:54:43 -0500 From: dan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: bees Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="B-dayCake.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="B-dayCake.jpg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 2063 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!136.142.185.26!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.icubed.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8171 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAAAAlgCWAAD//gAfTEVBRCBUZWNobm9sb2dpZXMgSW5jLiBWMS4wMQD/ 2wCEABALDA4MChAODQ4SERATGCgaGBYWGDEjJR0oOzQ+PTo0OThBSV1PQUVYRjg5UW9SWGBj aWppP05ze3Jmel1naWQBERISGBUYLxoaL2RDOUNkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRk 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