From pollinator@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 12:00:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16928 From: (RAG) >The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in >total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and >just transfer the bees. If/when I determine the queen is working in >the top unit, is removing the lower unit and base to a nearby location >to salvage the honey and workers (who I hope will return to the >location of the new hive). My understanding is that the adult workers >will return to the old location, then 'rob' the contents of the >trashed hive. No? Suggestions? There are a lot of things to be said about robbing, most of them not good. You don't know how many other bee colonies are in the area. It spreads disease and mites. And it can lead to a lot of stinging, and make you a pariah in the neighborhood. Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. But don't encourage robbing. After many years as a beekeeper, I have almost an abhorrance of robbing. Too many problems.... About the only time I'd ever consider it would be a situation like the beekeeper who spilled a 5 gallon pail of honey in the back seat of his car. He took the car to his beeyard, opened the doors and left it for a couple days. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From michaelc@glenrowan.demon.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!glenrowan.demon.co.uk!michaelc From: michael charters Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:58:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925826370 nnrp-02:19303 NO-IDENT glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <$8u7nUg5A3rWWiKXfM44wxhb1X> Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16929 BALD MEN AND BEES Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And again. I just wonder if it has ever happened to anyone else. Simply, where the fabric of the veil sits on my forehead, when I am sweating it soaks and sticks. It is just here that the bees settle and can easily sting through. I end up like a traffic light - with a row of stings across my head. OK. So I should wear a beret under my bee suit. But on a hot summer day that is not too comfortable. Has anyone else encountered this? Michael Charters In article <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose writes >Pollinator wrote: > >> From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >> >> > >> >The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >> >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >> >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. >> >> Eyeball? >> > >half right. >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > -- michael charters From pauloramoa@mail.telepac.pt Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!brown.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "Paulo Ramoa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agricultural machinery / máquinas agricolas Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:38:30 +0100 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7gmplr$3j5$2@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.167.77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16930 www.agrovil.pt From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lets Take a Test Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 13:00:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16931 In an effort to increase learning and to refresh some of us who should know I'm gonna try to post a ? every few days. 1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when it was dark ! Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go forth.... What would you do ??? Why ?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cde049@airmail.net Sat May 8 06:42:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BAGGIE FEEDERS Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:37:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89C466C2E73DFEFC.62A446F2E9F24F57.053A0492EEE964F9@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gn0p7$g24@library2.airnews.net> References: <372DE445.CF8CA3BD@DOR.State.SC.US> <7gl0s5$35v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <372e33e3.51983858@news.earthlink.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 09:38:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^K.!1k-XhJ1F5Q (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16932 >They are so easy to make, I am surprised anyone is trying to sell >them. And after seeing one I'll never buy one again. Same with Hive boxes, bottom boards, and top boards. But fortunately they only cost me $3.00 each. Cliff From lithar@midwest.net Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:41:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37262F06.382E@midwest.net> References: <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com> <19990427152815.00460.00000037@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:29:45 GMT X-Trace: 925248585.777.39 JF3D7GB4M0C57D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16933 BobPursley wrote: > > In article <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > (Jajwuth) writes: > > > > >Is it advisable to post signs at the front of your property warning people > >of bees if you have bee hives. This would be in case someone wanders > >on to your property. > > > > I cant conceive of posting signs telling people where my hives are. Just > asking for kids to dare each other to come in and kick the hives over, or > worse. > > Bob Not only does this seem an invitation to vandalism, but it seems akin to 'Beware Of Dog' signs - an admission you are knowingly creating and responsible for a dangerous situation. Personally I'd prefer 'Beware Of Owner - Armed and Unstable'. People who "wander" onto other's property without permission are trespassers and a 'No Trespassing' sign should suffice, possibly in conjunction with a warning shot across the bow. AL From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:05:42 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 72 Message-ID: <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co69-47.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 11:58:50 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16934 Hello Darryl and everyone with feral bee interest. If you don't intend on leaving the bees to live in the house with you, it's best to call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. Once they've pulled in nectar and built up wax, you may have a problem with any kind of removal at a later date. To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the buckets I removed). Call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. If they won't do the removal, ask them if they know where you can find one or where you can locate other beekeepers. If you have a health-food store nearby that will probably give you a start. Also, unless you have 'reasonable' access to the interior of your roof, expect for the beekeeper to have to remove part of your siding or soffet. On the same token, don't expect them to replace, paint or repair the damaged wood. Removing feral hives from houses is hard work and those (few) that do it for free are doing favors as the bees aren't worth much ($20-$40 US - with NEW queen here, or free with a swarm) but the idea is to save as many feral populations as we can - with the thought that the bees might have a resistance to a mite we're having 'trouble' with. Most beekeeers whom do this for a living charge $200 - $800 for removal (with repair). For those that have bee troubles and DO have the option of killing the bees by pesticide, the only time I would recommend such action is when the bees can't be effectively removed and when they've just shown up (i.e. within 3-6 days). Beyond which, you'll just be creating a mess. When the weather turns warmer, the wax will melt without the care of bees causing it to drip into your walls, ceiling, etc - and the stench of dead brood isn't something you'll enjoy. As well, the dead hive will soon be joined by another wild hive which has sniffed out the melting wax & honey....and those bees will probably turn sick from the old pesticide. If a swarm of bees decides you'll make a good room-mate, it's best just to have them removed, rebuild the siding and be SURE to fill the empty space with insulation (bees need space to make a home) and attempt to caulk the cracks and openings for 3-8 meters around with screen fitted to your roof vents. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Tue, 4 May 1999 00:58:59 +0100, "Darryl" wrote: >advice on wild bees. I am not a beekeeper as such, but I have recently >noticed that some wild bees have made a nest in the top of my bungalow under >the roof tiles. Is this any cause for concern? At present they don't bother >Are they best left alone or shall I commission a beekeeper to remove them >while the nest is relatively small? Can someone please give me some advice >on what to do for the best I would be extremely grateful. >regards >Darryl >email: darrylc@bigwig.net From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Sat May 8 06:42:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:27:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <925838913.037.55@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:28:33 GMT X-Trace: 925838913.037.55 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16935 I had something similar happen to me. I have two new hives. I deduced there was no queen in one hive because I could not locate the queen, there were no eggs/larvae, they were beginning to create a queen cell, and the hive was buzzing distinctly different from the hive with a queen. I put a frame of partially drawn comb and eggs in the queenless hive as Pollinator has suggested you do. Then I got to thinking and asking around and several people told me it is sometimes difficult for a new package to raise a queen. The colony is not strong and growing without an egg layer. I didn't want to be 3 weeks behind to start out and still have the chance that a queen would not make back from a mating flight...so I forked out the $9.00 for a new queen. She is doing wonderfully. SeasholtzM wrote in message <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com>... >Hi All > > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 1999 18:04:07 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16936 I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. Al From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:54:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372D0D5D.513F@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504145445.20744.00002128@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16937 too complicated, kill the old one, wait a day and then introduce the new one! From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I wire frames ? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:57:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990504145754.20744.00002134@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16938 make an x with also a top and bottomhorizontal wirel,then tighten systematically for the best strength! From not@for.me Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!paper.toledolink.com!not-for-mail From: "none" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:11:39 -0400 Organization: Toledo Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pri147.toledolink.com X-Trace: paper.toledolink.com 925835223 7738 205.133.30.147 (4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@toledolink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16939 I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it is. Thanks. From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:53:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990504145330.20744.00002127@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16940 get them out now, recently removed 300 pound hive that looked small but the walls of this historic autitorium were buldging from the weight! From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925850302 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:42:16 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16941 i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping bees in top bar hives. That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping inventions. In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> Message-ID: <19990504145623.20744.00002131@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16942 two strong splits from one strong hive is common otherwise the splits are weak. I just did 40 with ease. From bryan@honeynz.co.nz Sat May 8 06:42:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bryan Clements" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:12:00 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 925845162 12597 203.96.192.9 (4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16943 We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its traditional market and uses. Regards Michael Sanderson Waikato Honey Products Ltd. 8 Short St. Kihi-Kihi New Zealand Ph: 0064-7-8714709 Fax: 0064-7-8718885 Email: whp@honeynz.co.nz From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F6091.747B16C2@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:03:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851465 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16944 I have 4 top bar hives, and think it is a great way to start, especially if you size it so that you can use some standard equipment, like slipping a couple of frames of brood in if you need. I started mine with swarms and am replacing the queens. One weaker swarm I am supplementing with a nuc from one of my friends in the local association. Drop me a line if I can help. Would be glad to give you my views. David Lynes Jajwuth wrote: > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey co-op uk Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.22 X-Trace: 925854937 1NNUCNF1G8916C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16945 Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. Thanks Chris From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Message-ID: References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925849621 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:54 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16946 CARAMBA! | | | | | | \/ In article <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com says... > To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year > I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by > the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, > they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the > buckets I removed). > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:42:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:55:09 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> To: John Drain X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 11:55:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 2 05:05:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust175.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16947 John Drain wrote: > > How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out > of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at > the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the > end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, > put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All > feed back appreciated. > > Regards. > > John Drain. > jondrain@southnet.co.nz I think that one needs at least 4 frames of brood to start a new hive(maybe three) and if it is done one month before the honey flow a surplus can be expected. One must however fill the hive with pulled comb because the bees will not pull it without a honey flow. My experience also tells me that feeding sugar water increases brood production but not necessarily comb building. I have started new hives with a two frame observation hive but they are very slow to take off. I normally add a frame or two of brood to help them along. Don From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F613D.55431B93@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:06:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851637 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16948 Try Barry Birkey's site: www.birkey.com David Lynes none wrote: > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-73.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEST-- DISREGARD Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:46:03 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.49 X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 15:47:37 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16949 THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-109.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:37:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.6d X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 16:39:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16950 In article <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! > > Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go > forth.... > > What would you do ??? > Why ?? We have to keep the bees from getting to the pernicious chemical. We have to do something quickly. If I had the material, I'd put some kind of cheesecloth over the hive and secure it to the ground with some goodly size stones. This will allow the bees to breath, and even exit the hive, but will keep them from going very far. Alternatively, I'd minimize the entrance to the hive using the entrance reducer that came with the kit, and/or any other wooden material I could find. Yes, no, mebbe? O yeah... Lastly... I'd kiss my wife and thank her for thinking of me. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jps@ticnet.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:08:46 -0500 Organization: DFW R/C Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2D1132434F9CFD4E.351ACFBC34AC5A14.222CBA1730165552@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gnuqm$1u8@library.airnews.net> References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 18:11:19 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !XHe,4F\JWokJR] (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16951 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Jim Sharp http://www.ticnet.com/dfw-rc-net none wrote in message news:7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com... > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 23:44:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504194422.11111.00002580@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16952 >. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough >strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the >bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, >although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired >foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time >they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. >The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the >botto some of the old timers,, used to just fill the top crack with melted wax, still works great in a pinch !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:57:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925862381 24.93.149.35 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16953 Seeing as I'm up at least two hours before my wife, this is not likely to happen to me. I'll give it a shot, though. The bees aren't interested in my cabbage unless I allow them to bolt in which case I would probably till them in rather than spray or dust. Sevin breaks down rather quickly when wet, so I think I'd start hosing down the beans more to protect the bumblebees who appear to be the major bean pollinator in my bean patch. Once in a while I might see a honeybee in my beans, but usually they're off grazing on pasture that is easier to reach, for the blossoms are fairly deep. After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:02:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7go206$pe0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862726 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16954 Not so rare in the UK. We either eat it (!) or export it to Germany. Bryan Clements wrote in message <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz>... >We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna >Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about >what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its >traditional market and uses. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:58:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862723 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16955 Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? Seriously, get out the hosepipe. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am >She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and >beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when >it was dark ! > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:59:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419205322.25712.00002729@ng30.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990504145952.20744.00002137@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16956 use cream or crystalized honey From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:16:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:18:06 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16957 In article , "rick" wrote: > After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. ...certainly a more ENTERTAINING thought than my suggestion! LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.shore.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:20:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:22:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16958 In article <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com>, queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) wrote: > It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small > hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen > cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a > hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using > this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. FWIW... I put a bit of honey in the freezer for a few hours before I hived the one queen I've had. The honey wasn't completely solid, but really, really thick such that it wouldn't drip when the queen cage was turned upside down. I wonder if doing this would have allowed the workers to free the queen too quickly? What, if any, is the danger of her being freed sooner rather than later? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:24:06 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <7ghrsa$dki$5@news1.Radix.Net> <19990502230058.07802.00001498@ng-cs1.aol.com> <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 2:19:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16959 Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net>... >Last month, I installed thirty packages without having sufficient >foundation. I put 6 frames with foundation in each hive, along with a >division board feeder and three empty frames. Later, while putting in >more foundation, I was forced to cut away much natural comb that had >been built between frames. In two hives, this comb came away in large >sections, perhaps 8" by 10". As there was quite a bit of honey in the >comb, I placed it on top of the inner covers inside an empty deep for >the bees to scavenge. There were also a good number of eggs and larvae >in this cut comb, and, consequently, the bees have turned the upper body >into second brood nests. Assuming that the queens have remained below on >the frames, I'm just leaving this comb in place until all hatching is >complete. Next time you find yourself in this position try one of the following two tricks... 1. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the bottom corners more easily than if they were given full sheets of worker-size cell foundation. Foundation strips even as narrow as an inch or two will work in a pinch. 2. Make true division boards from plywood that hang in the super just like a frame, but extend flush from the top of the super to flush with the bottom board (and fit flush with the inside ends of the super). Put one of these in the middle of your super and you effectively create a smaller "nuc" hive in one full-size super. That way you won't have to use a full ten frames of foundation to start the colony. Just remember to keep proper bee-space between the two outside frames and the super/division board surfaces. After you've ordered more foundation and have the rest of the frames ready to go in the hive, the board can be removed and the remaining frames added. --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:29:56 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 925864141 19911 12.72.44.174 (5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16960 I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green marks? It is still B=0, 5 W=1, 6 Y=2, 7 R=3, 8 G=4, 9 isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail wrote in message news:7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:16 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16961 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:14 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210014.02119.00001296@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16962 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:08:26 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <372FB62A.743E3DEC@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925873671 24926 12.72.0.233 (5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16963 > Also, I have been trying to check if the queen is laying eggs, like the book > says, but I cannot be certain I see those tiny needle sized cylinders? There > are many cells with some dark brown stuff in them in the lower section, but > is that the pollen and the eggs are supposed to be in them? > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! > > Charles "Stretch" Ledford If you are near-sighted, take off your glasses. In either case, you just need to lean your nose in--just a teeensy bit further. From sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Sat May 8 06:43:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!usenet2.aramco.com!uunet!pao.uu.net!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.wans.net!not-for-mail From: sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beware of Primus Telecommuntications! Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7go7a3$h05$201@server2.wans.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust169.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net X-Trace: server2.wans.net 925868163 17413 153.35.165.169 (5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wans.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16964 **************************************************************** * Posted by Newsgroup AutoPoster! It's NOT registered yet! * **************************************************************** Beware of Primus Telecommunications Inc.!!!! After calling to take advantage of an offer advertised in the January edition of Filipinas magazine I started getting billed at more than double the advertised rate. After almost 3 months and dozens of phone calls to Primus to correct this problem, it is still on-going. Primus is refusing to correct the bill and are demanding payment at a higher rate. I don't even know what they are charging me now because they also are refusing to put anything in writing so I can see how the bill is being adjusted, but I know it is well above the advertised rate. I have started receiving demand letters and harassing phone calls at work demanding payment. Doing business with them has been a nightmare and I would discourage anyone from doing business with them. There are other companies offering similar rates that know how to treat their customers! If you have had a similar experience with Primus, or know someone who has, please email me (remove the nospam from address). And please, warn your friends! ....Roy..... From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Lab loves bees> Message-ID: <372c67a1.3224399@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:05:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657535 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16965 I have a big black dog thats half Lab and half German Shepherd. She goes to my bee yard in the evening and morning when she knows the bees will be inactive and eats any burr comb that I've cut out while working my bees. She loves honey, honey comb, and even bees. Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: worms!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:11:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657899 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16966 As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small (1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know what this was? Thanks Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liquid smoke Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:14:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16967 I got my bottle of liquid smoker earlier this week. I went into a few hives - moderate to weak - and it worked fairly well. It didn't seem to harm the bees and the effect lasted longer than regular smoke. The jury is still out but so far I like it. I think it will be a great alternative during the real dry weather as it is not a fire hazard. It definately beats lighting a smoker just to peak into one hive. It really has potential! I'll post some followups as things go along. Anyone else try the stuff? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: worms!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:15:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ghr89$dki$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16968 rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) wrote: >As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small >(1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker >colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible >damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know >what this was? Thanks >Richard >Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) The bees were getting ready to go fishing? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:24:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7ghro6$dki$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16969 "John Drain" wrote: >How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out >of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at >the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the >end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, >put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All >feed back appreciated. >Regards. >John Drain. >jondrain@southnet.co.nz Questions like these are imposible to answer because we have no idea as to where you are or the climate involved. You neglect to even tell us what you are starting with. A single deep? A double? Perhaps a tripple deep? It's like asking "How high is up?" Some places can get a surplus from packages, some places can't. How long is your honey flow? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:16:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37306758.2987189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca4-64.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 8:17:14 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16970 On Tue, 04 May 1999 00:25:18 GMT, (RAG) wrote: Thank you one and all for the info. I will proceed with the project Thursday next (weather permitting), and hope for the best. I'm sure it will work out fine. Don't know how I could survive without the fine helpful folks here on the net. If sucessful, I'll report results for the 'archives'. Again, thanks. Roger From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat May 8 06:43:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:02:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <372F988E.9CFEFFA2@valley.net> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16971 Pollinator wrote: > > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in > the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a > queen excluder between them. now THAT is an elegant solution! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jmcclure@hop-uky.campus.mci.net Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.155.140.137!news.campuscwix.net!n-f-m From: "jmcc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining Hives Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:46:48 -0500 Organization: none Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s23-pm12.snwestsac.campuscwix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16972 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with = several bees that didn`t have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper = with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the correct = thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". Thanks for = any help....... jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660-- From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 13:19:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990505091921.03984.00002456@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16973 #2 burn baby burn Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" Subject: Bee Vac Uses !!! Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:03:53 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16974 I put me new Johnson's Bee Vac to good uses yesterday, I found a large swarm in the top of a cedar tree after luring the bee into a 5 gal. bucket with a piece of comb I dumped all the bees inside of the bee vac and closed the lid and taped up on of the holes. After about an hour all the bee had entered the box and I was on my way home. Thanks for such a fine product! Darrell Laney -- Northeast Alabama Beekeepers Assoc.: Sec.\Tres. Jefferson Co. Beekeepers Assoc.: Member If you need info on joining any of these clubs, please email me. From nrmeyer@flash.net Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Neil Meyer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Bee Supplies in Texas? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 16:32:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.241.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925662771 209.30.241.23 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16975 Anyone near Austin, TX have good, used bee supplies for sale? If so, please email response to david1211@hotmail.com From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat May 8 06:43:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news2.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <37303af6.90148125@news2.usenetserver.com> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:35:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news2.usenetserver.com 925908097 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16976 I would also like to know if there is such a think in the US .. places like Sue-Bee require 40,000 lbs lots .. what is available for someone with 1000 lbs? On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the >Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. >I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. >Thanks >Chris > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 10:18:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990505061824.13860.00000593@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16977 >Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? > >Seriously, get out the hosepipe. > Very good answer Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:22:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 925914108 209.69.69.149 (Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16978 Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? I'd love to see a picture! Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. Silver screen door style handles on the side. What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave runes or what? Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping > bees in top bar hives. > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping > inventions. > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > says... > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > Al > > From gardenwrks@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gardenwrks@aol.com (GardenWrks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 16:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> Message-ID: <19990505121756.13131.00004323@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16979 Some of the books say American Foulbrood spores can hang around for more than 50 years. From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.102 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925925667 216.100.28.102 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:38:20 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16980 First I painted the whole thing white, and then when the white paint dried, I tacked flowers and leaves to it and spray painted over them on three sides so it left nice white images of flowers and leaves. As to the runes, those are on the fourth side and they are Old Norse designs, prohibited by law. I am getting a scanner. Do you know where scanned images can be posted without clogging a non- binary newsgroup with them and when you don't have a web page? In article <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net>, anglin@mi.verio.com says... > Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? > I'd love to see a picture! > Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. > Silver screen door style handles on the side. > > What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave > runes or what? > > Peter Amschel wrote in message > news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from > keeping > > bees in top bar hives. > > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony > this > > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike > says I > > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how > he > > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that > Bee > > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper > and > > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with > the > > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob > is > > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little > beekeeping > > inventions. > > > > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > > says... > > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it > a try > > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the > idea > > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is > there any > > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > > > Al > > > > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:37:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gpvsu$f7j$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926110 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16981 and me! Bill Greenrose wrote in message <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net>... >michael charters wrote: > >> BALD MEN AND BEES >> >> Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. >> >> I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective >> Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And >> again. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:45:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925926230 27942 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16982 Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause considerable peripheral damage. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > RESPONSE FROM THE NEW: > > Well, hell. > > In that I'm one of the newbie pickers of y'all's brains, I'm personally > semi-put off by your post, Kevin. I wonder where you get you evidence that > > there are a increasing number of beginners out there that have never picked up > >a book or taken any kind of beginner class, nor do they have any contact with > > beekeepers in their local area. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a laying worker Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:06:14 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.53 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925665024 11963 12.72.50.53 (2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16983 I had a situation where 2 of the 3 mating nucs I set up in a divided deep failed to produce a laying queen. In fact I suspect they were lost during their mating flights since I never saw them again after they emerged (they were there at one time). At any rate, I combined these 2 and gave them a swarm cell from another hive. Again no mated queen although the cell was neatly opened at the end. That was several weeks ago and 2 weeks ago this nuc has quite a bit of drone cells exclusively. Check and double check, no queen. So I have to say laying worker. Yesterday I marked the Q in the 3rd nuc and moved the whole shooting match about 20 ft away. In the old location I paced a new bottom board, deep, and put the 3 frames from the queenright nuc in the center. Then back at the remaining frames 20 ft away I held each one high and thouroghly shook and brushed all the bees off. As I liberated each frame of bees I then replaced it in the new hive containing the 3 frames from the queenright colony. It was mass confusion as this cloud of bees eventually located the entrance (there were 3 previously, 1 for each nuc). At one point I thought they were going to abscond. Did it work? Well I think so. I checked after about 5 hours and her highness was still laying and had all of her legs and wings. Time will tell. Rain today so they will be confined. Not sure if this is good or bad. I'll check it out in about 1 week and report back. I am not sure what I should be looking for now other than the obvious like a laying queen. If this is sucessful and any of the laying workers made it back to the hive, will their egg laying cease? When am I out of the woods? This is my first attempt at this and had only read about it. Any other methods out there? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:19:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665722 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16984 Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? Pollinator wrote in message <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com>... >From: workerbee > >>I had c aouple of hives swarm this year and tried to control after >>swarms by removing all but two queen cells in the effected hives. >>Several days after one queen hatched out I was surprised to see >>unhatched cells. When I opened them up the queens were dead backwards in >>the cells. Didn't think much about it until I opend a superseedure cell >>last week and the pupa was in the cell backwards. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:13:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665720 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16985 Good points: Ornamental; Double wall keeps inner box very dry; Extra lift (section of outer box) on top gives space under the roof for storage - smoker fuel, matches etc; Bad points: Expensive; No recognised standard size (except frames) so parts from different manufacturers may not interchange; Boxes are smaller than National and hold one less frame - so the brood nest is smaller and therefore more likely to cause swarming (unless you really want to use double brood); Designed to use frames with metal ends (spacers) which play a part in making the boxes beetight; Design of boxes encourages propolisation; The inner boxes are never beetight - this leads to bees going into the space between the boxes where they are often caught in spider's webs; Bees that are short of space may build comb in the space between then inner and outer boxes - one that I was given recently had the space between the brood box and three supers completely full of comb ( and bees!); Mice love the space between the boxes; Almost impossible to move because of its size, weight and difficulty of making beetight. Need I go on? Wait for the reaction from the WBC supporters' club! Cara & Tom Patterson wrote in message <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net>... >why is that so? > > > >On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>Quite difficult to give them away round here! >> >>Alan Craig wrote in message <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com>... >>>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jajwuth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >>>>> >> >> > > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:23:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37307E91.4791FB36@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925924929 23292 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16986 My experience may compare to yours. On April 6 I released a queen installed on April 2. It was a cold, breezy day, and a sudden gust blew her out of my cupped hand. I saw her loft to the ground about five feet to the side of her hive. Unfortunately, there were hundreds of other bees crawling in the same area, and the queen was unmarked. After thoroughly scanning for her, but without success, I closed the hive, hoping she'd find her way home. Over the next three days, the cluster in this box shrank away to nothing, so I guess this time Lassie didn't come home. The last eight ounces in the cluster froze to a couple of frames their last night. I hope, but couldn't say, that most of the queenless, eggless bees were adopted by the other hives. SeasholtzM wrote: > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, 14 days > ago i installed three new 3 lb packages in three brand new hives (just startin . . . > between and closed them up, cept the first one which i accidentlly opened the > wrong end of the queen cage the queen appeared to go into the hive with all the > other bees From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:35:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gpvss$f7j$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926108 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16987 Sam Greenbank First Honey Co-operative Ltd 17 Warton Lane Atherstone Warwickshire CV9 3EJ Tel 01827 830955 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com>... >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the From brian@bigbear.u-net.com Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: brian@bigbear.u-net.com (Brian Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: advice needed on solitary bees Sender: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Organization: BigBear Reply-To: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Message-ID: <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.119.184.91 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 925933083 193.119.184.91 (Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST X-Real-Host: 193.119.184.91 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:40:13 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16988 This may seem a frivolous post but I have a problem. I live in Rochdale in the North of England. A solitary bee has built a nest in a hole through the upright spar of my bedroom window. The hole is wholly inside the room. The bee could only do the job because the window was open. We tried to stop the process by closing the window but the bee just beat on the window for 3 days until we relented. The bee has filled the hole with pollen, laid 2 eggs and sealed the hole. I understand that they may not emerge until next year or that it may happen later this summer. The questions are: when should we leave the window open again for them to leave and will the nest being located inside the house have any effect on their timetable given the non-seasonal temperatures? The bees have been trying to make nests in every hole they can find in the house so I have made some nesting blocks of wood and put them up in the garden. They seem to be moving in OK so that's a success anyway. Brian Smith -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Also showing at http://www.bigbear.u-net.com/home.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- From martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!fen!not-for-mail From: martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de (martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "nettle" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:50:56 +0200 Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg Fuerth Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-nbg-38.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 925667347 29929 195.37.210.172 (2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16989 I have just one question: Does bees like neetles? thanks for your help, martin From cm@NOSPAMflash.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "MS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:51:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.138.149.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925930313 192.138.149.4 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16990 Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about 1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are there any other ways of keeping them away? Thanks in advance Michael From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A787.37C1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16991 If there are blooms for the bees, DON"T dust. I would use liquid seven and spray in the late evening. Don From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:39:15 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925936724 20460 12.72.3.63 (5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT To: JMitc1014 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16992 Spare the rod and spoil the larva. JMitc1014 wrote: > > Some people like their bees so darn much they go a little too easy on them, > especially us newbie hobbyist types. I plead guilty to being one of those. > I left 2 frames of foundation a little ajar in one of my new hives because I > didn't want to crush a few bees. Thought I was doing the bees a favor. > Well, I went back to the hive 9 days later and the industrious little > buggers had essentially built their own third frame of pure comb between the > other two. > Realizing that i had been trying too hard, I brushed off the bees and > removed the slab and as much of the burr comb as I could. There was no capped > brood in it, but there was 3 or 4 dozen larva and a little bit of pollen and > honey. Hated to do that, but I know that if I'm going to KEEP bees, I'm gonna > have to apply good hive management practices. > From an educational, pass-it-along standpoint, I guess the moral of the > story is don't try to go easy on your bees. It only makes it worse. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:54 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> <21BD3AD57EFA0DA2.F34828C5F2B08849.C94BB89E57B1B335@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A7AE.6B50@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16993 But you did not answer the question. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:54:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 20:56:38 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16994 In article <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net>, jslavett@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Care to site such evidence? > Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, Your comment reminds me of a trite, but apropo, maxim that begins: "There are no dumb questions..." I think the second half is that there are only dumb answers, or dumb answerers. Either works for me. I hear this kind of crap periodically from various newsgroups. The rec.running NG had a thread "The Dumbest Questions You've Been Asked About Running." Reading through these list of "dumb questions", many of them seemed to me to be legitimate questions posed by beginning runners or folks who were just curious about the sport/activity. I'm a professional photographer. I hope the day never comes when I don't have the time or inclination to answer, for the 10,000th time, the "I'm thinking about getting a camera. What kind should I buy?" question. Dumb damn question as far as I'm concerned. One does painstaking research of various products and vendors and settles on the best deal on the equipment that addresses the unique issues that a particular shooting situation poses. Do I tell the questioner how dumb the beginner's query sounds to me, the "scholar"? Of course not. I give whatever advice I can, and include in that advice referrals to any material, printed or otherwise (like a good Usenet newsgroup), that I feel is appropriate. I have no idea who you are, but, frankly, I don't like your attitude, not that it makes a helluvalot of difference. I thought we had moved beyond this issue and into more fertile territory with Kevin's "Let's Take a Test" thread. > and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses Hmmm... clearly a "scholarly" choice of words. >out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. Are you *trying* to make this the sci.agriculture.beekeeping.experts newsgroup, or is such an agenda only a byproduct of your attitude? Mebbe I'm subscribing to the wrong newsgroup. Although I appreciate all the information I find here, perhaps this NG is for professional beekeepers with a great number of hives and many years of experience. Question for anyone who's bothered to read this diatribe: Is this NG an appropriate place for a new, hobbyist beekeeper with one hive and no plans for expansion or is it not? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:41:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A60DC.E53394F3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004112.19642.00000938@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16995 Sorry to hear about that, Kevin. The same day you posted your message, my pick-up got towed and impounded after an accident that was my fault (while on the way to feed the bees), my pregnant fiancee wet herself during an emergency, and my sweet-natured pitbull (she really is!) got into a fight at the dog park with a boxer-bulldog mix that left a half-dozen cuts on my dog's face. As someone said to me at the end of the day, musta been bad ions in the air. Whatever. I hope you and your bees recover soon. Good luck, JM From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:41:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 21:42:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16996 In article <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American Foulbrood. > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? I have read that there are two other types of foulbrood- European foulbrood and parafoulbrood. American fb is worse because it is much more contagious to other colonies, and much more difficult to eradicate from an infected colony, than are the other two types. I understand that teramyacin should be used to prevent foulbrood. However, I have a question. Is this treatment necessary given that I put in a hive of packaged bees only recently, later in the year than usual? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:22:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Message-ID: <7gi66u$13n$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16997 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and >are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen >cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where >the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? They hold the hatched queens until the swarm leaves. These newly hatched queens stick their tongues out through the crack to be fed. It keeps the virgins from killing the old queen. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:46:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004652.19642.00000940@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16998 Ouch. Very distracting. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:27:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:28:54 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A9CF.6D10@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16999 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? > The spores that it comes from live on and on and must be killed in the chamber or by scorching the equipment or by dousing the effected hive and fireing it off till it is burnt all up. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:54:27 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7gqeei$fc3@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 05 2:50:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17000 Pollinator wrote: > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in >the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a >queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, >you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood >hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. > Dave, I've heard of this one too, but with using drawn comb for the top box, not foundation. Since I've never inverted a hive before either I would not know how readily the bees would move up onto it myself. Roughly about how long do you think it would take the bees to move up into the top super of foundation (variables such as strong nectar flow, bad weather, etc., etc. aside)? Just curious... --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:09:49 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925945894 17605 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17001 I have subscribed to this group for a few years now and it is only recently that it has become a flaming ground. Sorry to see that. On the otherhand, It is good to see the number of posts way up and new blood. Everyone should feel welcome to participate at whatever level their knowledge is. One does not have to be a scholar to keep bees competently, although a scholar can be an idiot (our president comes to mind). And you are wrong on this point: Keven, like anyone, else is not "entitled" to get cranky unless he is the moderator and this is not a moderated NG. One can simply ignore those posts they deem to be boneheaded. People like Keven answer because they want too. I think you missed the point of Kevin's original post. His concern was not that basic questions appeared on the newsgroup, but rather people seemed to jump into the hobby without sufficient basic knowledge. That was my interpretation anyway. Now, I guess I am a doofuss since I keep only 4 hives. Never mind that I have been keeping bees since 1975. When I retire in 13 years from my profession, I'll have more. But for now 4-6 will have to do. Please let me know what number of colonies I must have before I am considered knowledgable. By the way, do you happen to know how many Langstroth or Huber kept? Would you consider them to be doofusses? Since this thread is "A word of advice" I'll give mine. Everyone should be welcome, but newcomers to the group should sit back and get the flavor of the group before posting the kind of crap below. Does anyone care to talk about bees? Oh wait, I guess that is a stupid question. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message news:373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net... > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. > From noemail@nomail.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news5.cableinet.net!cableinet-uk!news1.cableinet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Darryl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Many thanks to newsgroup for wild bee advice Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:23:24 +0100 Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Message-ID: <7gqk28$pea$2@news1.cableinet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.135.7 X-Trace: news1.cableinet.co.uk 925946760 26058 212.1.135.7 (5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17002 Many thanks to all who gave me advice on my wild bee in the roof problem. Thanks for taking the time to respond much appreciated to you all. I have also been to the web site suggested by Chris Allen, downloaded the whole lot and found it very informative. I have read and printed out the material from the web site and will keep it for future reference for educating other people on the innocence of bees as the need may arise. The site answers all the questions the lay person would have about bees and their activities and is excellent in this respect. For feedback purposes, any chance of having some main statistics on bees e.g.. how many bees in a typical colony, average time spent at each nesting site, how much a typical nest weighs, how bees navigate etc. Once again thanks to the newsgroup for all the information. regards Darryl From Malley@netdoor.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:26:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.146 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925932563 208.137.149.146 (Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17003 Electric Fence MS wrote in message ... >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? >Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do >you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are >there any other ways of keeping them away? > >Thanks in advance > >Michael > > > > > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:21:13 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925946405 20090 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17004 IMHO, Duragilt ought to be outlawed. If the wax coating has been scraped or chewed off, forget ever getting it drawn properly. Plastic is far superior. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0505991546350001@pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net... > > There is one frame in my nearly week old hive that has two "spurs" of comb > coming off the Duragilt foundation. I removed one yesterday thinking that > this would only lead to what you describe above, but today that one's back > and there's another one being built. > > Should I completely remove both of what appears to me to be burr combs? > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catenary Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1999 01:28:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990505212817.28815.00001574@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17005 Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about them. I am considering making and using them. Thanks Al From casfam1@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 01:33:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17006 I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have started? My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got to love that plastic foundation). Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive for next year. As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. thanks for any help and all the help in the past . Gary caswell western Oregon From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:18:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925950033 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17007 American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by fire is the only course of action. All tools and clothing must be sterilized also. I've never had it in my beeyard and I hope I never do. From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Sat May 8 06:43:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:07:18 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7gq61h$77d@news1.snet.net> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh1-port63.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17008 keeping a queen caged for a while gives time for her pheremones to permeate the hive so all bees recognize her as their queen, not an intruder (that they might ball or evict). Hives that were queenless for a while take less time to accept a new queen than hives recently dequeened, and packaged bees that were shipped with their queen need little or no time (and thus are perfect candidates for your frozen honey idea!). Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >I wonder if doing this would have allowed the workers to free the queen >too quickly? What, if any, is the danger of her being freed sooner rather >than later? From dcscott@bright.net Sat May 8 06:43:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!205.212.123.11!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:19:06 -0400 Organization: bright.net Ohio Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gqv3f$qbh$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-20.dial.bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 925958063 26993 209.143.25.89 (6 May 1999 02:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 02:34:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17009 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com... > 1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am > She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and > beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when > it was dark ! > > Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go > forth.... > > What would you do ??? > Why ?? > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > It's quite simple. Water the lawn around and on the hives, bees hate to work in the rain unless they are Carnolians. If you have Carnolians you better water the garden. Carnolians are to industrious and to smart to be fooled by the sprinkler trick. That way you will get rid of the cabbage worms and save your bees. IMHO LOL Dennis Scott West Central Ohio From gregorm9@mail.idt.net Sat May 8 06:43:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.164.216.4!news.rapidnet.com!not-for-mail From: Greg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Hives Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:56:20 -0600 Organization: RapidNet LLC Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net> References: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> Reply-To: gregorm9@mail.idt.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pt1-47.rapidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17010 I have done as you described a lot and it works very well. Although, it occured to me that there was no need to put slits in the paper as the bees will chew through it in there own time. My concern with putting in the slits was that when I put the hive back together, the slit MIGHT open into a larger opening. I would use this procedure to combine a small, queenright, handful of bees in one hive with several frames of brood and bees taken from a stronger colony. Greg jmcc wrote: > > Hi Folks, >   > I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with > several bees that didn`t  have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper > with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the > correct thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". > Thanks for any help....... >   >                             jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:37:43 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7gqv1e$qhe@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 05 9:33:18 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17011 Casfam1 wrote: >During my tour through >their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection >I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly >solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped >yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > >Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have >started? >My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages >contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb > >Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > >Gary caswell western Oregon That happens occasionally. The new queen may not have mated with a sufficient number of drones, she could have been damaged in shipment, or a number of other reasons. I would suggest ordering a new queen, especially since you don't have many drones available for a new queen to mate with, and due to plastic foundation none will be hatching. Remember, a queen usually mates with about 15 drones (more or less) before she has enough sperm in her spermatheca to become a good, viable queen. There may be enough drones around if you have feral bees or other beekeepers in the area, but since these are your first hives you probably don't have enough established. Also, should there be other drones about, they may not be of the strain you would like your queen to mate with. If you like the bees that you purchased from your breeder, order a new queen from them (and tell them why--though like I said, it happens--you might even get a discount). Ordering a new queen (if done right away) will also give you a laying queen sooner than waiting for a queen to hatch (16 days) and then mate (~3 days, depending on weather). Hope this helps. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From lsfarris@raytheon.com Sat May 8 06:43:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3730A58C.B1D226B@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> <7gq61h$77d@news1.snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:09:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.126.255.194 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service1.ext.raytheon.com 925934709 138.126.255.194 (Wed, 05 May 1999 15:05:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:05:09 CDT Organization: Raytheon Systems Company Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!dfw-service1.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17012 > How to make Candy for Queen Cages? Use a marshmallow From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-228.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:05:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.e4 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 04:05:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17013 In article <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > IMHO, Duragilt ought to be outlawed. If the wax coating has been scraped or > chewed off, forget ever getting it drawn properly. Plastic is far superior. > The wax coating seems to be intact. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Cavan@mindspring.com Sat May 8 06:43:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ listing? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:40:32 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.06.52 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 01:47:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17014 Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:08:25 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37316A19.18FD793E@worldnet.att.net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925985273 12482 12.72.66.132 (6 May 1999 10:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 10:07:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17015 Bee Culture has archived articles at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/arch.htm. These archives are not the complete issues, but they do go back to the middle of 1996. ABJ has a good classified section, if you are interested in buying or selling equipment. Real Name: wrote: > It's been years since I took a magazine > of any kind . > What are these magazines like ? > Do these magazines have websites ? > Might be something useful, to come > out of this thread . From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:23:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> Message-ID: <19990506072332.13043.00000008@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17016 > > >> 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > >American Foul Brood > >> 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? > >It is worse due to the spores that the bacteria produce that can survive and >s Great answer Darrell Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:17:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990506071717.13043.00000006@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17017 >I think you missed the point of Kevin's original post. His concern was not >that basic questions appeared on the newsgroup, but rather people seemed to >jump into the hobby without sufficient basic knowledge. That wa YES YES YES It was not my intention to start a war. I only hoped that it would bring about a little book learning at home. I never took any class that didn't require homework to get an acceptable grade. PLEASE STOP THE WAR Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:24:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3730A9CF.6D10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990506072447.13043.00000009@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17018 >chamber or by scorching the equipment or by dousing the effected hive and >fireing it off till it is burnt all up. >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > > Give that man a cigar !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apimo@apimo.dk Sat May 8 06:43:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:42:49 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7gr6q4$1f9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip80.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 925965956 1513 195.249.242.80 (6 May 1999 04:45:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 04:45:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17019 Casfam1 skrev i meddelelsen <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com>... >Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have >started? >My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages >contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got >to love that plastic foundation). >Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? Chance is that you will get a much better queen in sense of mating if you let then do the nature, than you will if you Bye a new queen from a big queen breeder. But the quality in other senses, can turn out to be what You not want or are used to. So if you go for a special bee like buckfast, you must get a new buckfast bee. Be aware of that what you get from a queenbreeder is most likely hybrids, and not to make new queens of. In your case I would live them alone raising the new queen and then when you can get a new queen hopefully good mated, replace the queen. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Danmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Austaralia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From afichera@iol.it Sat May 8 06:43:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail From: "Alessandro Fichera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TABEC S.r.l. Beekeeping equipment Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:06:24 +0200 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7gpgrf$1dm$1@hermes.iol.it> References: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.13.67.115 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17020 T A B E C -- S. r. l. Italian Beekeeping Company Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the present owners. It is composed of a party of operators that carry on their task with professional nature, will and passion, and it has been working in the apiarian - zootechnical area since 1979. Besides, a complex mix of factors and big decisional - productive flexibility have helped Tabec to grow up and have put it decidedly in the role of leader of the Italian market. Strongly of the experience acquired in national field in the last 20 years, now Tabec show itself to foreign market. 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Giacomo di Guastalla Reggio Emilia - ITALY Tel. +39 0522 831206 Fax. +39 0522 831114 E-mail: afichera@iol.it tabec@tin.it From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:32:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> <19990506072332.13043.00000008@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:34:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17021 Some of my posts don't seem to be going through, so I'll repost only a portion of my "go-to-the-top-of-the-class" answer to Test #2. I've read that there are actually three types of foulbrood: American, European, and para. Parafoulbrood was said to only be a problem in the SE US. Any thoughts/comments? Also... Teramyacin (isn't that one LOVELY word????! Yes, I'm serious!) is said to prevent American foulbrood, and such treatment should be undertaken during mid-spring. Given that I just hived a colony of package bees from CA one week ago, is this treatment necessary? Perhaps it's even more important with package bees. I dunno... it's not in the book. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:11:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <926003187.368.62@news.remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:06:27 GMT X-Trace: 926003187.368.62 DX3JXEXMC0F1E1874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17022 >A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and >the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. > >Does anyone remember what that book was? I just got to read the postings so knew where to look, "The Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University Press, $25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all the detail to get answers to your questions. also mentioned were: In the UK, 'Guide to Bees and Honey' by Ted Hooper might be more useful, together with his 'Encyclopaedia of Beekeeping' written with Roger Morse - but read all that you can lay your hands on. One that came to my mind is a starter's book which Walter Kelly wrote and offered at a very reasonable (cheap at one time) called "Getting Started Right With Bees". I haven't a recent Kelly (Clarkson, KY) catalog and do not know if it's still available. At one time they were so cheap I kept a supply on hand and when some one approached me about keeping bees I gave them a copy and told them if they had any questions after reading that book I'd be happy to answer them. Maybe some one in the group knows if this fine resource is available and how much in now costs? >Thanks Your welcome From p010ne@my-dejanews.com Sat May 8 06:43:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: p010ne@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hive (good queen?) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 04:40:07 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7gj9b8$4bs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.11.140.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 03 04:40:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; MCI CD V4.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x15.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.11.140.116 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17023 I installed my two-pound package of buckfast bees (and one marked-yellow queen)on April 21, 1999 (this is my first hive). I have verified that the queen was released from her cage and attempted to check for eggs today (but really couldn't tell?) I saw the queen OK, and some cells with dark stuff in the bottom in the brood chamber (but don't understand about looking for the tiny eggs -- about the size of a needle?) I am a little concerned that they have built a comb extension between the top of two frames (when I installed the queen cage, I left one frame out and I think they built some comb between the frames where the cage was placed.) Is this a problem, or will the workers rework that area? My bees have been consuming about a quart of sugar water each day, but I see them coming in with various colors of pollen. I, think, I noticed some unsealed honey in the top of some frames. I don't want to disturb my hive too much, but wonder if all is ok with the queen? (She looked fine!) I am located in Wise County of Texas (North of the Dallas-Fort Worth Area). Thanks! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQ listing? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:03:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <926006285.800.83@news.remarQ.com> References: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.55 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:58:05 GMT X-Trace: 926006285.800.83 DX3JXEXMC0F371874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17024 >Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/home.html From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:27:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:29:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17025 For some reason I don't think some of my posts are making it out my computer and onto the server, so I'll ask this again... Like someone mentioned a couple days ago, my new colony (hived one week ago) is building what I reckon is burr comb... comb coming off the Duragilt foundation, with cells on both sides of its own beeswax foundation... completely built by the bees. It's coming off the foundation at about a ten degree angle. I removed some of this the other day, thinking it was the burr comb that I have read about, but the next day I found they had rebuilt what I removed and had expanded upon same. I didn't remove the new comb, figuring mebbe they'd just eventually work this "off the Duragilt" (burr?) comb back onto the foundation later. Now I'm thinking that I should again remove it, and do so more completely than I did the first time, forcing the bees to built comb flat against the Duragilt foundation. I'd appreciate any advice/comments. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQ listing? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:21:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <926003762.539.83@news.remarQ.com> References: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:16:02 GMT X-Trace: 926003762.539.83 DX3JXEXMC0F1E1874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17026 >Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? try this: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/ From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 May 1999 05:13:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372D0D5D.513F@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990503011308.19121.00001337@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17027 >Will this plan work? I'm thinking of getting a new queen, and putting >her in a nuc box with one or two f >a few days....then, to FIND the old queen: could I put a bit of >would sure >save a headache going through all the frames looking for her. Look, Please let me explain something important to all newbies and small hobbist's It is VERY important that you go to the trouble of looking through those frames. You have to do this or there is no way for you to know the conditions inside your hive. There is no way to discerne the strength of a queen just by looking at the number of bees in the top of a super. If you haven't requeened or even looked in 3 years it's probably not the queen you started with anyway. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: advice needed on solitary bees Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:39:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7gsl1o$lic$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013304 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17028 Have you considered moving the hole outside? Brian Smith wrote in message <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com>... >This may seem a frivolous post but I have a problem. I live in Rochdale in the >North of England. A solitary bee has built a nest in a hole through the upright >spar of my bedroom window. The hole is wholly inside the room. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:51:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7gsl1p$lic$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com><37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com><7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net><7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013305 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17029 Glad you said *generally* Tom Speight wrote in message ... >An Additional good point, is that *generally*, bees seem to winter >better in a double walled hive. >-- >Tom Speight From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A word of Advice Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 May 1999 05:40:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17030 Ladies and gentlemen, over the past few weeks it has become apparent that there are a increasing number of beginners out there that have never picked up a book or taken any kind of beginner class, nor do they have any contact with beekeepers in their local area. In our grand parents time it was very simple to keep bees....they took care of themselves. Alas today things are very different. There are trachea mites,Varroa mites,Hive beetles, Virus's and the threat of new outbreaks of FoulBrood are always present. You are not helping anyone if you have a bee hive and don't know even the basics of maintaining it. You will actually be hurting your neighbors bees and any remaining ferrel colonies that may pay you a visit. Since a lot of diseases present in poorly maintained hives are worse than found in nature, You may be helping to wipe out colonies in your area. I've helped a lot of ya, and will continue to do so, and i hope all of the more experianced keepers will also, But please understand what you get here is not enough. This newsgroup CAN NOT take the place of reading materials, library books,beginner classes and actual contact with experianced beekeepers in your area. It will not work, You can not go blindly into beekeeping and not expect disaster for your self or your neighbor, it just won't work. What book to buy you ask ??????? The "bible" of beekeeping for @ 90 years has been " The Hive and The Honey Bee" Its available from Dadant, been revised many times over the years and includes everything, from the story of Rev. Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth and the discovery of the bee space, to marketing and selling honey. It is a text book used in many classes, Entomology Dept. at universities all the way down to beginner classes that I teach at Farm shows. It'll cost ya about 35.00 We all started once......We are very glad you are joining us....We will help you all we can.... PLEASE HELP YOURSELVES TOO Responses are welcome from new and old alike. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From neil.carter@wave.home.com Sat May 8 06:43:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com> From: Neil Carter Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:02:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.141.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 924876171 24.65.141.127 (Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:02:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:02:51 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17031 As a beeginner (oops sp !), I have benefited greatly from this forum, in addition to reading publications and journals - different ideas and approaches. It is a free world which also gives you the freedom not to participate or to create your own forum which meets your needs better. Having a bad morning ??? Peter Edwards wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the 'sci' stands for in this newsgroup's name? > > I have been following this newsgroup now for about four months and it seems > to me that there is very little 'sci' in the postings. > > Many people - often, I have to say, from the USA - ask for incredibly basic > information which is widely available in excellent range of beekeeping > magazines that are available e.g. > > ABJ (USA) > Bee Culture (USA); > Beecraft (UK); > Beekeeper's Quarterly (UK); > Bee Biz (published UK but worldwide coverage); > Bee World (from IBRA, UK but worldwide interest); > > or from the vast array of beekeeping books available which are far too > numerous to list here. > > Surely this newsgroup should supplement and add to the vast amount of > information already available, using the power of instant communication to > update members on the latest developments worldwide, rather than simply > providing basic information for those too idle to look it up for themselves. > > The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for > many members! From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives float! (not) Watch where you place them! Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 05:56:37 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 27 Message-ID: <372d3479.277679116@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 03 12:49:56 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17032 After 10 days of rain and heavy snow (16" in some places) here in Colorado, I'm finding it pays to watch where you place hives and to expect the worst for flooding. Late friday I was feeding my new hives (in the rain) when I noticed the water rising fast on normally dry meadow-land. The water rose to knee-deep where I've never seen even a puddle form (underground spring runs through the property). Inside of 30 minutes some of my hives were covered a few inches over the bottom-boards. As with everything, the good comes with the bad - with the bad being the hives that were 'sunk' were the heaviest, tallest hives. The good part is they partially floated with the pallet once jarred loose - which helped tremendously as I was by myself and one of the pallets weighed over 400 lbs (two hives to each pallet). There's a lesson to be learned in this mistake - take care on your hive placement! What looks like fertile dry-land may turn out to be flood-plain. My hives were saved with a little timely effort but a half hour here or there & I'm sure I would have lost a few. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From thegriggs@bc.sympatico.ca Sat May 8 06:43:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.bctel.net!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3722969B.80345F95@bc.sympatico.ca> From: Jim Grigg Reply-To: thegriggs@bc.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en,fr-CA,af MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.52.192.39 X-Complaints-To: news@bctel.net X-Trace: news.bctel.net 925013674 209.52.192.39 (Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:34 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17033 Hi. I just received my package of bees on apr.21st. and I have been feeding them about two quart sized jars of sugar syrup every day. I just opened up the hive today (apr.24) to see how they were doing. I have six old drawn frames in two hive boxes. They are starting to draw out the new foundation in the remaining frames and they are partially filled with honey and the odd one with pollen. I couldn't find any eggs yet however.Is this normal? How long should it take before I notice whether the queen is laying yet? Also how long should I continue to feed them? There have been a fairly good number of bees foraging and there are lots of dandelions about so there is lots of food available nearby. Thanks for your help. Jim Grigg From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar observation hive Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1999 20:12:40 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990506161240.10854.00000124@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17034 the design of a top bar hive makes it a ggod candidate to make an observation hive. Is there any other reason to make an observation hive other than looking at bees. Is being able to see into the beehive useful for any other beekeeping reason. From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar observation hive Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:24:13 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990506161240.10854.00000124@ngol04.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 May 1999 21:20:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 14:25:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp223.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3732072c.32135174@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17035 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Is there any other reason to make an observation hive other than looking at >bees. >Is being able to see into the beehive useful for any other beekeeping reason. A well-designed observation hive can be useful in showing what is happening in the bee yard. A beekeeper can quickly see when nectar is flowing, how strong, whether pollen is being brought in, and whether colony size is increasing or declining. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:36:43 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <926003187.368.62@news.remarQ.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 May 1999 21:33:00 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 14:35:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp223.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37330899.32499766@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17036 "Bob Nelson" wrote: >>A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and >>the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. >> >>Does anyone remember what that book was? > >"The Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University >Press,>$25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much >detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all >the detail to get answers to your questions. "The Beekeepers Handbook" may be a good, practical book for beginners, but it is not even close to "The Hive and the Honey Bee" in completeness. The Hive and the Honey Bee is more of a thorough reference textbook. I don't know of any book that approaches The Hive and the Honey Bee for completeness, although Root's' "ABC & XYZ of Beekeeping" and Morse & Hooper's "Illustrated Encyclopedia of Beekeeping" are both excellent reference books. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Sat May 8 06:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead drones Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 06:49:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7gjgu4$a35$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7gis17$2jlm@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 03 06:49:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17037 In article <7gis17$2jlm@news1.newsguy.com>, "Jim Counce" wrote: > While observing the hive today I saw two drones struggling and with further > observation I saw that their abdomens were nearly severed. I am concerned. > Anybody had this problem and what does it indicate with the hive? Thanks > for any help. > > -- > Jim Counce > email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com > home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html > > Sounds kinda like the damage hornets or yellowjackets do. Usually though, they'll sever the abdomen and fly off with it. Perhaps you disturbed them or some other predator before they were finished. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dnorth@dreamscape.com Sat May 8 06:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: any used equipment Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:02:38 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01be981c$bc0b0e60$72fe04d1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.4.254.114 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:02:38 GMT X-Trace: 926035358.379.65 YT7C.J2JDFE72D104C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17038 We are looking for honey house equipment. please email dnorth@dreamscape.com-upstate new york From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:37:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 00:38:27 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 17:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip142.raleigh7.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <373235C6.4477@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17039 I had the same problem. No honey flow. I removed all the burs and now we are in a terific honey flow and the gals are pulling the stuff as good as any and no drone cells, but, don't be fooled if the bees want drone cells in the Durigilt they will have them. They are much easiet to remove. Almost impossible on wax foundation. Don From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926039572 216.100.28.104 (Thu, 06 May 1999 21:12:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:12:52 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:16:47 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17040 That sounds like fun! Have you checked out Jim Satterfield's topbar hive page? He has links to other pages which show pictures of the hives as they exist in Africa, where they don't have much wood for making frames. What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:07:28 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925925228 nnrp-08:7621 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17041 In article <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Good points: > >Ornamental; >Double wall keeps inner box very dry; >Extra lift (section of outer box) on top gives space under the roof for >storage - smoker fuel, matches etc; An Additional good point, is that *generally*, bees seem to winter better in a double walled hive. -- Tom Speight From sanford@monmouth.com Sat May 8 06:44:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:45:40 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp210.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17042 Peter Amschel wrote: > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > ant access. How is your hive supported? The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? Shari From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Message-ID: References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926039000 216.100.28.104 (Thu, 06 May 1999 21:03:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:03:20 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:07:13 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17043 Thanks for the nice report! Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little ant access. How is your hive supported? Some beekeepers use other mechanical barriers against ants, like axel grease smeared around concrete foundation piers, or grease smeared around the coffee cans the hive sits on, etc. I have not seen your combination nuc frame and topbar hive arrangement, but after your topbar comb gets plenty of action going I'm sure you can just shake the bees off the nuc frames into the hive and get rid of the nuc frames. In article <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com>, sanford@earthling.net says... > First, Thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions and offer > encouragement and exhortations to the new among beekeepers (of whom I am one > ;-)). My first hive is a Top Bar hive we constructed this winter. It's 30 > frames long by 19" wide and deep enough to use a standard nuc for my first > batch of bees. I installed our bees into the hive mid April with the help > of the kind experienced guy who sold them to us (brought the whole box in > the back of the wagon with the entrances screened!) We interspersed the 4 > nuc frames with the first four TBH bars every other one. Got them home, put > on a grease patty (unmedicated) closed em up and let them and my heart rate > get settled. Realized after reading Johnson's many exhortations that I > should probably feed them so we opened them up (my son and I) and put on a > 1/2 gal baggie of green (hehe) sugar syrup. Here in NJ it has been a > somewhat cool slow starting Spring with a few days of really nice weather > only weekly or so. > > Today we checked on the girls to see how it's going and found that the sugar > syrup was still almost full although there were bees eating from one slit > and a line of little sugar ants slurping at the other. Next stop, ant > baits! Question: Should I put them both in and outside? Should I not use > baggies but use a milk jug in the empty back section instead?--I figure the > ants will find it anyway, what would be easiest for the girls? > > During our inspection we looked at each frame starting from the back. So > far 9 frames are being used in the front, the original 4 lang frames and the > 5 tbh bars surrounding them. The comb is lovely and straight on the tb's! > The central 2 are nearly full size with the front and back bars being the > smallest. I did not see any honey in them (or green syrup) or larvae either > but there is a nice block of capped brood (I think) in the front two lang > frames. My son spotted a nice patch of larvae and several pupae. There > does not seem to be many empty cells. HOWever, there are about 4 long > strange looking mud colored cells near the center bottom of both brood > frames. I could not locate the queen but there were LOTS of bees on the > frames. Is this a problem? > > As I moved my way through the hive toward the front and separated bars the > bees would be holding on to each other like long living necklaces! The back > two lang frames were honey--not capped. I shifted them back about halfway > in the box and replaced them with two clean bars from the back. Also placed > a new bar in the front again and one in between the brood frames. I am > hoping that I can phase the old lang frames out of my box completely. It is > much less intimidating to me to see one pair of eyes watching me from the tb > notches than to have the whole top of the box eyeing my every move. Sorry > I'm so longwinded! I just am so enraptured with this whole process and the > amazing complexity of it all! How could this ever have developed by chance?! > > Questions : How do I get the girls off of the lang frames of brood and onto > the newly drawn top bar comb? Can I move brood frames away from the front or > is that a bad idea? What if I wait till it's totally warm weather? > > Will a grease patty work if it is only on top of the bars and the bees don't From arnan@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Arnie Wayne Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasp hives Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:32:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 02:32:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 19:35:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust27.tnt1.sherman-oaks.ca.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373250D7.81E631E3@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17044 Help........ Can anyone tell me how wasp nests are built. My granddaughter has this for an elementary school project and needs the info by next Monday. Thanks, A. Wayne From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:44:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:46:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 21:48:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17045 > JMitc1014 wrote: > > > > the industrious little > > buggers had essentially built their own third frame of pure comb between the > > other two. > > Realizing that i had been trying too hard, I brushed off the bees and > > removed the slab and as much of the burr comb as I could. There is one frame in my nearly week old hive that has two "spurs" of comb coming off the Duragilt foundation. I removed one yesterday thinking that this would only lead to what you describe above, but today that one's back and there's another one being built. Should I completely remove both of what appears to me to be burr combs? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news21.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Message-ID: References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.241 X-Trace: news21.ispnews.com 926052336 216.100.28.241 (Fri, 07 May 1999 00:45:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:45:36 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:49:31 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17046 You could maybe get some of those table legs with built in screws and raise the hive up off the stone mound and then grease the table legs. I guess I'm just stuck on mechanical barriers. In article <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com>, sanford@monmouth.com says... > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > > ant access. How is your hive supported? > > The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front > and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to > navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I > made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > > Shari > From pollinator@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frogs in the honeyhouse (was: Well we needed the rain) Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 06:21:46 GMT References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507022146.08633.00000164@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17047 In article <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: >The rain started 3 days ago just as my acre of buckwheat was gonna bloom at 3 >inches tall. The temps started to drop yesterday and i guess its been raining >for the last 40 hours straight with temps below 50 most of the time. Bout 2 >hours ago I awoke to the sound of tree limbs breaking, sounded like hurricane >Fran all over again, no sound of a twister but the damndest winds.Blowing >rain >literally sideways, lasted bout an hour a solid dang hour. Sorry to hear of your loss, Kevin. The rain has just about done in the tupelo honey flow, that was looking soooooo good. Wonder now if the flow will get going again??? We've lost the prime week of the spring honeyflow, anyway. Betcha' we see swarm cells now. Five days of cold rain, three days when the high for the day was an all time record (low), and the water is rising. I have about four inches on the floor in the back of the honeyhouse, and could durn near paddle a canoe around my house. Over seven inches total, and still coming. Well I shouldn't complain. It might not rain again until September. The Clemson meteorologist said the other day (before this storm parked on us) that this season was goin' be so hot and dry, we'd be prayin' for a hurricane. Having been thru Hugo, I can assure him that ain't so, but I am concerned about drought, and at least it is temporarily over......... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Abandoned queen! Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:53:24 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37326543.565182@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 06 11:52:56 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17048 Here's a lesson I'd like to share: After installing 50 new packages I found one hive which apparently abandoned the caged queen to the cold, with the bees settling to the top of the hive. Not stopping to check for brood, I ordered a queen to replace her. Today I was AMAZED to see they had eggs - and capped worker cells to boot! I'm thinking the package bee company shook a queen into the box by mistake, which is why they abandoned the lower, caged queen. Either this, or the queen which flew away while I was uncorking her (60 yards away or more) found this hive as a home. Next time I'll check for brood before ordering queens & save $8! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From lauramleek@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: At a loss Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 05:11:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17049 I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed like a yellowjacket, it's not maroon like a cordovan, it's orange. I have seen them in several different places and too far from my aparies to bee anything I may have mutated. The one thing all these places have in common, which I believe to bee irrelevant, is the Puget Sound. ALL are within a stones throw of saltwater. Any help would bee appreciated. PS I tried all of my beginners books first.......:-) Laura From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sat May 8 06:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3732F26B.A22C92CB@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catenary Hive References: <19990505212817.28815.00001574@ngol03.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:02:34 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 926084719 24.92.236.85 (Fri, 07 May 1999 09:45:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:45:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17050 I have used a couple of these and was pleased with the results. They are inexpensive and easy to construct. The hive basically conforms the shape of a catenary curve, which is the shape of naturally-built combs (initially, anyway). Comb-to-wall attachment was virtually nonexistent in my (albeit casual) trials. Combs were very easy to remove for inspection. The bees also wintered well in a single chamber. I pretty much followed Mr. Bielby's plans as described in his book, with a few modifications. The hive is intended as a multi-story affair (supers are tiered), unlike the Kenya top-bar hive and other long-idea hives. There are bee-spaces between the bars, as with frames, so the bars don't form a covering as in the KTBH. In all, an interesting, serviceable hive, and cheap, but not an all-in-one unit, since stories must be added for the surplus. (These can just be simple boxes with appropriately spaced, fixed comb-bars.) There is the advantage of being able to super with regular frame supers and remove the crop with an extractor. Jajwuth wrote: > Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey > Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about > them. > I am considering making and using them. > > Thanks > Al From shuston@riverace.com Sat May 8 06:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.shore.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with weak hive Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:55:06 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3732F0B9.77BE55B8@riverace.com> References: <7gs8qc$m03$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 May 1999 13:55:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17051 Warning... this is my first season at beekeeping. But I've been reading a lot and the lethargy symptom rings a bell - maybe they have Nosema? If so, Fumidil-B is warranted. I don't know if requeening is needed in this case or whether she'll recover. -Steve Jerome R. Long wrote: > > I have been keeping one or two hives for about 28 years and have a new > problem. My one hive was great last year, went into the winter strong and made > it through the winter with lots of honey left over...but they have not made a > spring build up. Very few bees fly on the best of days. A month ago I put in > Apistan, but did not pull any frames. Yesterday I took the whole hive apart > and found several things odd to me. 1.) Very little response to disturbance. > 2.) About four frames of healthy looking but lethargic bees. 3.) One side of > one frame with a patch of sealed worker brood in the center (about 20% of a > frame side) and a few cells (maybe 10% of frame) of larvae and eggs. 4.) I > could not find the queen anywhere. 5.) No queen cells. 6.) No drone cells. > My first inclination is to order a package of bees and queen and to unite the > two hives. If I do that, must I find and kill the old queen first? This has > always been my impression, but what if I cannot find her? > Suppose I separate the new package from the existing chambers by a combination > of sheets of newspaper AND a queen excluder? Would this result in the old > queen taking out a swarm? > She is obviously laying at about 10% of normal for this time of year. Would > this mean she might not have the size of a good layer and be mistaken for a > worker. I doubt it. Even a virgin queen looks quite different. But something > is laying a few fertilized eggs so there must be a queen somewhere. > Questions: 1.) Is this a syndrome anyone recognizes and can explain. 2.) How > hard is it to get a package of bees ordered this late? 3.) Why the lethargy > 4.) Why no queen cells? -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat May 8 06:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:42:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926091523 209.69.69.147 (Fri, 07 May 1999 10:38:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:38:43 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17052 I love his site- I have recommended it to many people! I am not familiar with the Taliban- Is that another living history group? the SCA has contact with and overlaps a lot of other "Dress up" groups. (N.E.R.O., The Tuchucks, and many others) Some are more history oriented, some much more fantasy oriented than the SCA itself. Most SCA members welcome these outside groups at SCA events so long as they are willing to "play nice" as it were and live within SCA rules for armour and fighting. (If they are participating in those events.) For the living history demonstrations we do we try to be as historically accurate as we can- but we are realistic about using moden methods and materials where necessary. (Like beekeeping.) It is hard to draw a line sometimes though. I can't justify actually keeping bees in skeps, no matter how proper it may be.... Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.119bdedb81312d98989926@news.pe.net... > That sounds like fun! > > Have you checked out Jim Satterfield's topbar hive page? He has links to other > pages which show pictures of the hives as they exist in Africa, where they don't > have much wood for making frames. > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > From bobpursley@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net.MISMATCH!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 17:04:59 GMT References: <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507130459.17932.00000242@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17053 In article <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" writes: >Visually, Taliban is what you'd >get if you crossed the Amish with the Nazi party. Goodness. Cleanshaven Amish? Hard to believe. bob From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Sat May 8 06:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wasps and honeybees Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:33:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:33:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17054 In article <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen > on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) > but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed do you think honeybees and yellow jackets look similar to the untrained eye? they do to me, (i am new at beekeeping). i am going to pick up my hive on 5-13. every year i find a wasp nest. i read in an old book "spell of the honey bee" i should destroy the nest and any yellowjackets i find. is this correct? should i put out a yellow jacket trap or will honeybees get trapped? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From djkc6ssf@sonic.net Sat May 8 06:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!d130.nas1.oak.sonic.net!user From: djkc6ssf@sonic.net (David Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:22:31 -0700 Organization: None! Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d130.nas1.oak.sonic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17055 In article <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: > i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous > nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i > am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another > month or two. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own It may be poisonous to us but Bees love them. Sunset Western Garden book lists it in the "Attracts bees" catagory. David jackson. From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> <924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: The q.... feeding bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:15:45 +0100 Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d33.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:23 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17056 I'm fairly new at this game but I hived a swarm 2 weeks ago on undrawn foundation and because the weather turned cold and wet I stuck in a block of about 1.5kg of homemade candy. When I checked yesterday they had drawn at least 9 frames had 3 good frames of sealed brood. The candy had gone and they had filled the bottom space with brace comb. I gave them a super to fill instead. One of my neighbouring beekeepers (15 colonies) has warned me several times not to feed with sugar syrup because it promotes robing. I'm in the south of the UK and wasps can apparently be quite a problem as can other bees if you feed syrup. And I did loose a small swarm to wasps last August when feeding syrup. Candy is also dead easy to give, just place it on the top bars, using a spare box as a spacer. However my swam control is not so good, my apiary of 3 hives has produced 4 swarms in the last 2 weeks. RJ (rj@kiff.net) Bob Nelson wrote in message news:924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com... > > >OK, I wonder though if when people say pull the frames in a few days to > check > >for eggs, they are referring to checking in frames with previously drawn > comb. > > Yes > > > > >How many days should I allow to pass for the bees to draw comb in which the > >queen can lay eggs before I open the hive to check if she has actually > begun > >laying eggs? > > To start with if you're on only foundation you should be feeding sugar syrup > to help the little buggers draw wax as it takes syrup or honey flow for the > bees to secrete wax. I like to leave em alone for a week. It's hard to do > but it will lessen the chance of them killing a newly released queen. Even > though they have accepted her she's still new to them and proving her worth > by starting to lay eggs. The bees are also nervous about the comotion and > will jump on her and kill her if they're not quite sure. > > When should I start worrying that the queen may be missing? > > > Give em a week. If they're buzzing ( not from you smoking them too heavy > and there are no eggs present) she's probably a goner. If in doubt leave em > a few more days. After 10 days to 2 weeks cut your loss and combine with > another hive. You could have given them some brood from another hive by now > and if she's gone they'll be raising a new queen. Leave them alone from > this point for 23 days. If they get the job done she should be hatched, > mated and laying by then. > > >but it should be pretty obvious shouldn't it? > > > May not be. They start the wax from the mid rib of foundation and with it > all light colored can be easy for untrained eye to miss. Let alone the eggs > against the light colored back ground. You'll know an egg when you see it. > If you can't see it and have reasonably good vision and light it probably > isn't there. > > >Will the bees be drawning comb on one frame at a time, or will they begin > on > >multiple frames? > > You ask too many questions, I didn't realize what I got myself into. > They'll usually start with one side of one and work opposite it on the next > frame over. Help them out and put them back in the same order you remove > them. > > Am I correct in assuming that I have to wait for the bees to > >draw comb before I can find queen eggs? > > There will be eggs present before the cells are fully drawn on foundation. > That (hopefully) young queen is gung ho to proliferate and will fill the > cells as the workers can prepare them and care for the new brood. Once > again help them out with some sugar syrup. > Take no offense on the crack about too many questions, they're good ones. > Good luck. Bob Nelson > > From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7g7sid$42j$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:13:50 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d32.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:22 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17057 This seem to be a popular "thead" There's a bit of a difference from the correct spelling in English english to that used in American english. But forget about that, it's all them strange words you use for objects that's confusing Rj England, UK Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message news:372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net... > There's more to literacy than correct spelling. The quotation, not > adage, comes from Man and Superman by George B. Shaw: "He who can does. > He who cannot, teaches." > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > Again I agree - but it is important that we do not disadvantage our students > > by our own lack of knowledge; we should not learn at our pupils expense. > > There is an old adage ' those that can, do - those that can't, teach'. From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> <372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:31:22 +0100 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d30.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:20 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17058 Try Candy instead of syrup workerbee wrote in message news:372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net... > John Drain wrote: > > > > How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out > > of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at > > the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the > > end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, > > put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All > > feed back appreciated. > > > > Regards. > > > > John Drain. > > jondrain@southnet.co.nz > I think that one needs at least 4 frames of brood to start a new > hive(maybe three) and if it is done one month before the honey flow a > surplus can be expected. One must however fill the hive with pulled comb > because the bees will not pull it without a honey flow. My experience > also tells me that feeding sugar water increases brood production but > not necessarily comb building. I have started new hives with a two frame > observation hive but they are very slow to take off. I normally add a > frame or two of brood to help them along. > > Don > From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:12:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d31.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:21 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Lines: 51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17059 I believe the thornes are made of American red cedar and the quality is good. I have 3 second-hand wbc's (only one with a colony at present) but I got 10 new thornes supers last year, they were flat packed seconds but the machining was still good. I also have 5 colonies in Nationals (thornes) which use the same frames but the wbc's are still good for permanent sites (don't get them if you want to move them much though) and they do look pretty RJ Alan Craig wrote in message news:37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com... > On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom > wrote: > > > >Jajwuth wrote: > >> > >> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive > >> > >> thank you > >> > >> all > > > >The only source I have found is the BeeWorks in Cabnada and they are > >simply reselling materials from Thornes in England. > > Thornes will ship, although it might turn out to be expensive. I > can't tell where you are from your address, but assuming North > America, my current Thorne's catalogue says: > > WBC (flat pack) Complete (inc frames + foundation + queen excluder) > > £188.70 + £82.70 p&p = £271.40 ~= $450 > > WBC (flat pack) empty > > £158.83 + £82.70 p&p = £241.53 ~= $400 > > They're on the web at > > http://www.thorne.co.uk > > Alan From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:40:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> To: Beetools X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail CC: Hk1BeeMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 20:41:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri May 7 13:45:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust233.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37334FAB.5F28@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17060 Beetools wrote: > > I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the > number of hives you keep. > > Ron Bennett > Luckimaute Bee I must be getting stupider by the day. How bout you Kevin Johnson? By the way, where did you get your book learning and what kind is it? Got mine up in em r mountains near Asheville and graduated from all them grades dat them folks offered. BTW we are having Bee Friendly Day tomorrow and afterwards are going after a bunch of bees in an old house. Don From lauramleek@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 22:46:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Message-ID: <19990507184642.13176.00000525@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17061 What type of apple trees do you have? I was told in my beginning bee class that Gravensteins are a triploid, therefore are sterile. There is MUCH more to this and I do not understand it all but maybe one of the old salts can expound on this. Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bee hives in the UK Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 00:04:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpp$que$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118521 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17062 Try a market gardener who uses them for pollination under glass. They usually come in polystyrene or cardboard 'hives' which are then thrown away at the end of the season. Nick Templar wrote in message ... >Folks > >I don't get called to swarms these days - because Varroa has killed off all >the feral bees and the colonies belonging to lazy beekeepers. > >What I do get is enquiries about Bumble bees - like this evenings. "I was >digging up the end of the garden and I found this bees nest, can you help?" > >When it's a dear old (insistent) lady how can I say no? But where can you >buy a decent Bumble Bee hive in the UK these days? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wasps and honeybees Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpn$que$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118519 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17063 If it is fluffy then it is probably one of the solitary bees. Wasps are usually only a nuisance (here at least) from the late summer onwards (late July) when their numbers are large - traps are then a very good idea. cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote in message <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com>, > lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >> I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen >> on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) >> but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed >, or Start Your Own From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:59:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpm$que$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118518 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17064 It sounds as if the bees may have found something more attractive - what are they working is the question. There is also the possibility that the bees are working the apples at certain times of the day when you are not around - different species of plants yield nectar and pollen at varying times of day and the bees will work the most attractive crop, so they may work several crops during the course of the day. >Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:57:41 +0100 Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.201.149 Message-ID: <373363a1.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 23:05:21 GMT, 195.34.201.149 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.201.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17065 I have heard that placing a sheet of glass across the outward flight path is very good as it forces them to re orientate themselves in their confusion personally I have not had cause to use it yet! anyone tried it? -- Rj England UK bees@kiff.net Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Short answer is 'Yes'. Most of the bees will fly back to the old site. > > Best way is to move them to a new site > 3 miles from either the old or the > proposed new site for 6-8 weeks and then move them to the new site. This > may not be too unprofitable a task if he can move them on to a good crop for > a while. > > Alternatively: > 1 Move them in winter when they have not flown for 3 weeks. Not the best > option as they will be in need of a cleansing flight and will soil the > combs - this does not help with diseases such as nosema and amoeba. These > is also the possibility of them balling and losing the queen, or even being > dislodged from the combs and dying on the floor if it is really cold. In > other words, if you must do it this way, do it very gently. > 2 If there is no choice, move them (at night, obviously) and then pile > grass or other vegetation very loosely all over the hive so that they have > to fight their way out (but do not block the entrance so that they > suffocate!), therefore realise that something has changed and have a good > look around before flying off. > > MS wrote in message ... > >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about > >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet > or > >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? > > > From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7gkpmu$jkv@news1.snet.net> Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:58:16 +0100 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.201.149 Message-ID: <373363a1.1@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 23:05:21 GMT, 195.34.201.149 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.201.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17066 Personally my favorite book is Clive de Bruyn's Practical Beekeeping It's probably a bit UK based for some and I would not class it as a detailed reference book but it is practical and informative. -- Rj England UK bees@kiff.net Robert Sheahan <"Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com> wrote in message news:7gkpmu$jkv@news1.snet.net... > Please allow me to add my 2 cents to Kevin Johnson's post. I agree that > having a good book _and_using_it_ is more important than having a smoker. I > also agree that "The Hive and the Honeybee" is an excellent reference, but > when I teach newbees, especially those pressed for time, I prefer "The > Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University Press, > $25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much > detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all > the detail to get answers to your questions. > > Also, while most commercial beekeepers can't afford to do so, many hobbyists > will gladly take a newbee or two "under their wing" for the company and > conversation. I have two myself, and wound up marrying one of them ;-) > > Places to look for classes or mentors include your state's Ag extension, > local colleges, in the yellow pages under beekeepers, the message board of > your local beekeeping supply store, this newsgroup, and your local town hall > (our state entomologist put out a request for beekeepers to register with > their local town halls to help homeowners with honeybee problems, other > states may have done the same). > > Good luck to you all and welcome! > > Robert Sheahan, hobbyist of 10 years. > > > > > From twentyone@clara.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp2.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble bee hives in the UK Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:10:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.89.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp2.clara.net 926111439 195.8.89.230 (Fri, 07 May 1999 22:10:39 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:10:39 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17067 Folks I don't get called to swarms these days - because Varroa has killed off all the feral bees and the colonies belonging to lazy beekeepers. What I do get is enquiries about Bumble bees - like this evenings. "I was digging up the end of the garden and I found this bees nest, can you help?" When it's a dear old (insistent) lady how can I say no? But where can you buy a decent Bumble Bee hive in the UK these days? Presently I have a lovely Queen Bumble in a Apidea mating hive which I want to use next week to raise a Queen Bee! - any ideas folks? If I leave her in the Apidea, do I need to empty the candy out of the rear section? (I understand that Bumble hives have two compartments.) And - will it be big enough? I need to read a book really I suppose - but any ideas or comments? regards Nick From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:30:46 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926123413 18011 12.72.2.214 (8 May 1999 00:30:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 00:30:13 GMT To: mski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17068 Perhaps you have been feeding your bees. If they are getting syrup delivered to their front doors, why should they fly 300 feet for what may or may not be a particularly tasty apple nectar. I would consider doing two things: moving the bees under the trees and interrupting their feeding, each hive staggered one day at a time. This could compromise the interests of the apple blossoms and the bees. mski wrote: > > From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've > started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're > suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) > > One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have > my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next > to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about > 60% of the blossoms in bloom). > > Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not > yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. > Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass > visiting single trees further away. > > Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees > or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? > > Thanks, > Mark From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Sat May 8 06:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!mail2.es.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: getting first hive 5-13-99 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:28:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7gv0qr$ci8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:28:34 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17069 well, i am going to pick up my first 2-story colony of bee next thursday!!! hurray!!! i live in se michigan in a big city. questions the dandelions and the trees and shrubs have already flowered,i havent been able to plant clover or buckwheat, i have blue flax coming in, but frankly i dont see much else they could feed on. should i feed them sugar water in may? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> <370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:03:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.199.212 Message-ID: <37335670.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 22:09:04 GMT, 195.34.199.212 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.199.212 Lines: 80 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17070 If you are going to peek a lot get a "glass quilt" its a purpose made glass "top cover" so that you can look with out disturbing the bees for best effect use when dark with a small torch make sure the hole is covered with a grid to stop the bees flying up at you Rj England UK wrote in message news:370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net... > I'm new at beekeeping (OK, very new - I have built my first two hives and pick up > the bees next week). Are you saying that you do no treatments for tracheal > mites? Nothing? Not even grease patties? Is this common? Can I expect my bees > to make it if I don't treat the tracheal mites? > > I will be a small hobbyist but I have hopes to expand some day so I want to do > things right. It will be very easy for me to over pamper my two hives and do > things that are not economically feasible for someone trying to make a living with > bees but I really think I would like to manage the hives in a manner that is > fairly close to the management practices that I might use if I had a bunch of > hives (OK, I know I'm going to peek more often than a "real" beekeeper! At least > at first!). > > I have to admit that I had planned on providing every mainstream treatment that > I've read about. And probably some that aren't so mainstream. > > Thanks for sharing your experience with us in the newsgroup. > > Bill Daniels > > Pollinator wrote: > > > From: "Freeserve News" > > > > >I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY > > >BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON > > >THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, > > >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD > > >VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. > > > > Please don't shout. (capital letters) > > > > I would suspect tracheal mites first. More and more, our bees are resistant to > > tracheal mites. Did you purchase bees from a breeder who treats for tracheal > > mites (thereby not developing a resistant strain)? If you do, you are > > compelled to continue treating. > > > > Are you in an area with poor fall pollen, or were the bees poor gatherers? > > The latter would again be a tracheal mite indicator. > > > > There are other possibilities, but we saw thousands of hives do just this, > > during the heyday of the tracheal mite era....... > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:44:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:51:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7h06d3$jgr$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7g7sid$42j$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net> <37333d32.0@news.thefree.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17071 "rj" wrote: >This seem to be a popular "thead" >There's a bit of a difference from the correct spelling in English english >to that used in American english. But forget about that, it's all them >strange words you use for objects that's confusing >Rj England, UK I found it amusing that Peter picked up on english without the capitol E but american looked ok to him. But it's ok because we won the war. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:54:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7h06jj$jgr$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17072 cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: >i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous >nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i >am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another >month or two. >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Wisteria was in full bloom here in southern Maryland a couple of weeks ago. I stopped to look and bees were all over them. I will collect the seed pods this year! Ah another noxis weed on the farm! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013303 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17073 Short answer is 'Yes'. Most of the bees will fly back to the old site. Best way is to move them to a new site > 3 miles from either the old or the proposed new site for 6-8 weeks and then move them to the new site. This may not be too unprofitable a task if he can move them on to a good crop for a while. Alternatively: 1 Move them in winter when they have not flown for 3 weeks. Not the best option as they will be in need of a cleansing flight and will soil the combs - this does not help with diseases such as nosema and amoeba. These is also the possibility of them balling and losing the queen, or even being dislodged from the combs and dying on the floor if it is really cold. In other words, if you must do it this way, do it very gently. 2 If there is no choice, move them (at night, obviously) and then pile grass or other vegetation very loosely all over the hive so that they have to fight their way out (but do not block the entrance so that they suffocate!), therefore realise that something has changed and have a good look around before flying off. MS wrote in message ... >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? From sanford@earthling.net Sat May 8 06:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: "sanford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new top bar hive Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:07:44 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp121.monmouth.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17074 First, Thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions and offer encouragement and exhortations to the new among beekeepers (of whom I am one ;-)). My first hive is a Top Bar hive we constructed this winter. It's 30 frames long by 19" wide and deep enough to use a standard nuc for my first batch of bees. I installed our bees into the hive mid April with the help of the kind experienced guy who sold them to us (brought the whole box in the back of the wagon with the entrances screened!) We interspersed the 4 nuc frames with the first four TBH bars every other one. Got them home, put on a grease patty (unmedicated) closed em up and let them and my heart rate get settled. Realized after reading Johnson's many exhortations that I should probably feed them so we opened them up (my son and I) and put on a 1/2 gal baggie of green (hehe) sugar syrup. Here in NJ it has been a somewhat cool slow starting Spring with a few days of really nice weather only weekly or so. Today we checked on the girls to see how it's going and found that the sugar syrup was still almost full although there were bees eating from one slit and a line of little sugar ants slurping at the other. Next stop, ant baits! Question: Should I put them both in and outside? Should I not use baggies but use a milk jug in the empty back section instead?--I figure the ants will find it anyway, what would be easiest for the girls? During our inspection we looked at each frame starting from the back. So far 9 frames are being used in the front, the original 4 lang frames and the 5 tbh bars surrounding them. The comb is lovely and straight on the tb's! The central 2 are nearly full size with the front and back bars being the smallest. I did not see any honey in them (or green syrup) or larvae either but there is a nice block of capped brood (I think) in the front two lang frames. My son spotted a nice patch of larvae and several pupae. There does not seem to be many empty cells. HOWever, there are about 4 long strange looking mud colored cells near the center bottom of both brood frames. I could not locate the queen but there were LOTS of bees on the frames. Is this a problem? As I moved my way through the hive toward the front and separated bars the bees would be holding on to each other like long living necklaces! The back two lang frames were honey--not capped. I shifted them back about halfway in the box and replaced them with two clean bars from the back. Also placed a new bar in the front again and one in between the brood frames. I am hoping that I can phase the old lang frames out of my box completely. It is much less intimidating to me to see one pair of eyes watching me from the tb notches than to have the whole top of the box eyeing my every move. Sorry I'm so longwinded! I just am so enraptured with this whole process and the amazing complexity of it all! How could this ever have developed by chance?! Questions : How do I get the girls off of the lang frames of brood and onto the newly drawn top bar comb? Can I move brood frames away from the front or is that a bad idea? What if I wait till it's totally warm weather? Will a grease patty work if it is only on top of the bars and the bees don't seem to bother with it at all? Should I try to hang it inside the hive near the brood? If they are not eating the sugar syrup should I keep it in there? Things are in heavy bloom around here now but today (kinda cloudy and mid 50's) there were a few bees sipping when we opened the cover. Thanks so much for all your patience and shared wisdom! Shari From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:47:57 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7h0cn9$q1g@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 8:57:29 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17075 mski wrote in message <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net>... >I've started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're >suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) > >I only have two apple trees next >to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about >60% of the blossoms in bloom). > >Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >yet visited these trees. > >Thanks, >Mark Is the dandilion in bloom where you're at? Since you didn't give a location it would be hard for me to tell. A number of things could be the result. As Peter mentioned, another bloom could be in progress. I know in many areas dandilions bloom about the same time as apple, and many apple growers that rent bees for pollination mow the dandilions when the bees arrive or the apple blossoms get ignored (they aren't as desirable). Also, the apple blossum, being a rosaceous fruit, is an open-type that can have the nectar washed out by rain or dew. When the dilution reaches a certain point the bees go elsewhere (unless collecting pollen--especially in the earlier part of the day) until the sugar concentration increases through evaporation and nectary secretion. You say you've seen the bees really work trees farther away, were these apple trees they were working? Could you tell if they were predominatly collecting pollen, nectar or both? --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:58:36 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co60-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 10:58:40 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17076 Today we finally had a break in the weather in Colorado and swarm season drifted upon us! I just got back from a house which I showed the home-owner how 'nice' the bees are when in a swarm cluster by placing my bare hand into the mix. Open jaw and insert foot, because I was immediately met by angry bees on my forehead, arm & finger as I retracted my hand. In all my swarms, I've never been stung until now - unless of couse, I crush one. Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. Matthew Westall (with three 'nice' & one 'not-so-nice' swarms to show for today) // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:35:22 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7h0eka$rb2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 9:30:02 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17077 fltdeck1 wrote in message <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several >places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the >stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. > >Matthew Westall Actually Matthew, it may not have been the "stick and stones" from the neighborhood kids so much as the fact that the bees were clustered for four days before finding a home. As you already know, when honey bees leave the hive they gorge themselves with honey for both existance, and fuel to start the colony off with wax combs. When all this is used up in just surviving it can get them pretty cross. A lot of beekeepers (including myself, as it makes logical sense) refer to swarm clusters that have gone through this hardship and used up their honey supply as "dry" swarms, and dry swarms can be quite nasty! The first dry swarm I hived was calmed down a little bit by repeated misting with sugar water while still clustered for about an hour or so. Once hived (and fed a gallon of sugar syrup) they became quite gentle and I was glad I put up with the suicide mass (though luckely I had a bee suit on and didn't suffer your fate!). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:48:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37334FAB.5F28@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990508034804.12586.00000856@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17078 > where did you get your book learning and what kind is it? Got Mines learnin came uponst me in de presents of the great fred deer in de county a wake at de learnin place Ise also gradiated frum de schools a hard knoks in da county a harnett. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: 8 May 1999 06:16:03 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7h0kr3$5g9$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <372DE6ED.13F76101@bellsouth.net> <7gl0mr$328$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17079 In article <7gl0mr$328$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, > >there is no way that it can adequately cover the whole range of subjects >relevant to beekeeping, e.g. plant biology and pollination; changes in >farming practices; bee anatomy, physiology and pathology; the chemistry and >physics of honey; legislation relating to the extraction and packing of >honey - and so on. You forgot honey bee behavior. :( So with all the yammering going on, I still don't know if virgin queens/virgins fight in a swarm or in a new hive. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Book FAQ (was Re: A word of Advice) Date: 8 May 1999 05:45:06 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17080 In article <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >What book to buy you ask ??????? > >The "bible" of beekeeping for @ 90 years has been " The Hive and The Honey Bee" >Its available from Dadant, been revised many times over the years and includes >everything, from the story of Rev. Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth and the >discovery of the bee space, to marketing and selling honey. There is a beekeeping book FAQ archived on http://metalab.unc./edu/bees browse under "pointers". I recommend _The Beekeeper's Handbook_ by Sammataro and Avitable, available now in a new edition. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book FAQ (was Re: A word of Advice) Date: 8 May 1999 06:34:38 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7h0ltu$5id$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17081 In article <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >There is a beekeeping book FAQ archived on http://metalab.unc./edu/bees >browse under "pointers". that's http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Pardon. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:46:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990508034653.12586.00000855@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17082 >I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the >number of hives you keep. > >Ron Bennett >Luckimaute Bee > I wouldn't say that. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From znau@quik.com Wed May 12 07:17:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.intelenet.net!news.quik.com!not-for-mail From: "Znau" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Info Request Lines: 17 Organization: Primes Research X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.146.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@quik.com X-Trace: newsfeed.intelenet.net 926172001 209.213.146.175 (Sat, 08 May 1999 07:00:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 07:00:01 PDT Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:00:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17083 Hello, I am interested in learning about honeybees. I live in South Carolina so if there is a site or two that would contain regional info that would be great. Otherwise I am just looking for some info on perhaps the best book to read to get started ? Or perhaps a website that has info. Any help would be appreciated . Thanks in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Znau znau@quik.com In search of the 1,000,000 digit prime. Primes found: 1287*2^32000+1 (9637 digits) Beginner beekeeper ! From griffes@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:17:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: florida africanized bee finds Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:24:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7h1ad0$b30$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37331196.4EC1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 08 12:24:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17084 In article <37331196.4EC1@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: > 05/06/99 - So Called "Killer Bees" found in Jacksonville Florida Port > > No Evidence of Permanent Florida Population of African Honey Bees Yet > Found > > A press release by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer > Services (FDACS) dated May 5, > 1999 announced detection and destruction of two swarms of African honey > bees found near the port of > Blount Island in Jacksonville. Both were found in bait hives placed by > FDACS for intercepting these kinds > of honey bees that might come off ships. The bait hives were located in a > container yard holding cargo > shipped from Puerto Rico, which has an established African honey bee > population. An additional 24 bait > hives will be placed throughout the port and follow up inspections are > scheduled to determine if other > colonies exist. > > This detection marks the first time in Florida that African bee swarms > have been detected in bait hives. > Previous swarms have been reported by ship’s crews or dockworkers, who > have been alerted to look for > bees by state, USDA and customs officials. Swarms have been found 17 > other times since 1983. Thanks for keeping us up to speed on this. Coming in via shipping containers is a problem that can bring AFB or some yet "unknown to us" bee pest right into the heartland. Rapid movement and accidental introduction of agricultural pests is one downside to the marvel of rapid transit. We here in my area have had a confirmed AFB swarm come in in dead of our winter in the shipping container that came to a local factory. It happened about 3 winters back if memory serves and a beekeeper friend of mine from Clinton, MI went to take a look-see and collect a sample for positive ID. They were quite simply set back outside - let to get chilled and brushed off into the snow. They had started sending out a few scouts when set inside for a while where it was warmer. No one got stung and I don't recall the media ever getting a hold of the story. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI, USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen hives-why would they work Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 13:37:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17085 Why would a two-queen hive be more productive that a single queen system? Seems like they can only lay so many eggs and the bees can only bring in so much honey. So why would a double queen systme be materially any different than two hives with two queens side by side? From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bee hives in the UK Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 15:52:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508115241.10232.00000741@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17086 I'm no expert on Bombus, but I do have a set of plans for Bumble Bee hives on my website that have proved very successful in the field. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 15:49:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Message-ID: <19990508114913.10232.00000736@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17087 Don't worry about not seeing bees on your trees. Fruit trees, like all flowering plants only have nectar in the flowers at specific times of the day - you just haven't been watching at the right time of day. Bee hives develop foraging groups and these groups of bees work only a specific plant group (the group that's working apples is a different group form those working cherries, for example) and "know" when it will ahve nectar up in the flower and only visit the flower during those time periods. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From sanford@monmouth.com Wed May 12 07:17:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The q.... feeding bees Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:29:37 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37346671.180C@monmouth.com> References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> <924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com> <37333d33.0@news.thefree.net> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp57.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) To: rj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17088 rj wrote: > > I'm fairly new at this game but I hived a swarm 2 weeks ago on undrawn > foundation and because the weather turned cold and wet I stuck in a block > of about 1.5kg of homemade candy. Hi rj, Since I am having an ant problem I'd like to try switching to your candy method. Would you share your recipe? Thanks, Shari From hensler@povn.com Wed May 12 07:17:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:48:07 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 21 Message-ID: <372FB167.171A@povn.com> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7gkum0$1ek$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <372E06B2.219C@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp202.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17089 AL wrote: > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > > What is IMHO? No doubt I will kick myself when someone tells me! > > "In My Humble Opinion" > > ROFL....AL Yo Al: What is ROFL....AL??? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:17:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? - follow up on swarm weight Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:12:01 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37366b64.133263247@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <7h0eka$rb2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co71-45.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 08 10:12:03 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17090 Thinking back, the hive was light for it's size - to the point I made a comment to the homeowner. But when the words left my mouth, it sounded like more of an excuse for the stings. Following their explanation of the treatment of bees, perhaps either reason was enough to keep them a bit testy - though the length of their memory of their mis-treatment would probably have been dulled in 30 seconds if they were still in their trance-like honey-engorged state. It may be my great luck that I've never encountered a 'dry' swarm before - which I'll take heed to check on the next occasion. It could also be I never noticed while I wore my suit. Also, Kevin the headline was rhetorical - though I appreciate everyone's input. There's just something about swarms in spring that gives a beekeeper excitement - something I hope never wanes in my 'old-as-dirt' beekeeping years. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO >cross. A lot of beekeepers (including myself, as it makes logical sense) >refer to swarm clusters that have gone through this hardship and used up >their honey supply as "dry" swarms, and dry swarms can be quite nasty! > >The first dry swarm I hived was calmed down a little bit by repeated misting >with sugar water while still clustered for about an hour or so. Once hived >(and fed a gallon of sugar syrup) they became quite gentle and I was glad I >put up with the suicide mass (though luckely I had a bee suit on and didn't >suffer your fate!). > >--David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > > From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:17:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:44:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926170927 209.69.69.133 (Sat, 08 May 1999 08:42:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 08:42:07 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17091 > > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > > > Never heard them mentioned- But they sound even worse than the "Authenticity Police" that we all avoid like the plague! Elllen From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening with a delayed relaease Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 13:42:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508094218.08498.00000764@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17092 Need experience "requeener" to tell me what happens if I put a caged queen in a queenless hive (24 hours) and then leave her for 4 to 7 days with the corks still in place. Obviously I don't get egg laying, there is some pheremone but it is not well distributed, the bees get used to the new odor. Would this increase or decrease acceptance? After 5 days could I simply open the cage and release her on the top bars or would they "ball" her? From mosley@mail.myriad.net Wed May 12 07:17:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Jim Mosley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New beekeeper with a question. Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:38:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.162.123.201 X-Trace: 926185171 NMKDWAWQT7BC9D0A2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17093 I am a farmer who has just started beekeeping. How long should I feed my bees after installing the packages? From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.newscorp.com!news.delphi.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: 8 May 1999 06:03:57 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h0k4d$5er$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17094 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > >Are you *trying* to make this the sci.agriculture.beekeeping.experts >newsgroup, or is such an agenda only a byproduct of your attitude? > >Mebbe I'm subscribing to the wrong newsgroup. Although I appreciate all >the information I find here, perhaps this NG is for professional >beekeepers with a great number of hives and many years of experience. > >Question for anyone who's bothered to read this diatribe: Is this NG an >appropriate place for a new, hobbyist beekeeper with one hive and no plans >for expansion or is it not? I certainly hope so. All the people who are "old hands" on this newsgroup were new here too once. This phenomena, the FAQ, or "frequently asked question" is an internet paradigm. It happens. Since beekeeping is so variable world-wide, writing a complete beekeeping FAQ was impossible to do realistically. Therefore there are many pointers on the internet to various sources of archived beekeeping information. This USENET truth applies in this newsgroup as in any other one: If you don't like the topic of the thread, or post, don't read it. Pissing and moaning about other people's posts only makes you an annoyance too. Either delete the posts you don't approve of, or kill them. If you don't know how or cannot, read up on newsreading software, and/or get new newsreading software. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:41:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990508034114.12586.00000854@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17095 >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days You have answered your own question !! If a swarm hangs for more than about a day and a half they begin to use up their stored honey as food, there by becoming a " dry " swarm. It's always a good idea to take a spray bottle of sugar water along just for this reason, unless you know it's a wet swarm. Never seen a dry swarm yet that wouldn't try to eat you alive !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ddiam@erols.com Wed May 12 07:17:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: David Diamantes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:43:09 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37343F6D.1948@erols.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IADwl/gPMDz9HHSa2UkktrkjDnBKL8phcQKAo9hS/Fc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 13:44:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17096 Had a similar situation with a swar a few years ago. While I assured the neighbors how docile the bees were, I almost decided to handle them with no protective clothing. I cahnged my mind and put on a helmet and net, but was in a golf shirt and jeans. Turns out, they had been there a couple of days and non one told me. They lit me up when I dropped them into a 5 gallon bucket. Everything they say about "dry swarms" is true. They ended up being very good, gentle, productive bees. The neighborhood probably thought Mr. Beekeeper was a nut after they watched me get tagged about nine times until I could get covered up. Glad I put on the head net. From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:17:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:29:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7h27ug$sfq$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17097 NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) wrote: >Today we finally had a break in the weather in Colorado and swarm >season drifted upon us! >I just got back from a house which I showed the home-owner how 'nice' >the bees are when in a swarm cluster by placing my bare hand into the >mix. Open jaw and insert foot, because I was immediately met by angry >bees on my forehead, arm & finger as I retracted my hand. >In all my swarms, I've never been stung until now - unless of couse, I >crush one. >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several >places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the >stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. I think your ready to hive one up thats been through a thunder storm! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed May 12 07:17:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 21:27:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17098 You got a male carpenter bee guarding his territory and investigating everything that moves. He will not harm you- enjoy the airshow. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed May 12 07:17:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. 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Calgary, Alberta Canada T2X 2X7 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 E-mail: wcbdc@home.com From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:17:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:11:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926208780 209.90.4.177 (Sat, 08 May 1999 19:13:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:13:00 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17101 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >>The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. > If you are referring to a penis (I think you might be) take it from an expert on the subject; the top of the head and above the eyes and maybe to some extent, the shoulders are the most painful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" the first time one tries it, though. BTW, I have MS and am doing what is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. John From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:17:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:32:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h17mv$mle$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-55.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926163487 23214 62.136.18.183 (8 May 1999 11:38:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 11:38:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17102 I would not move them. Six reasons (at least): 1 Bees are often reluctant to forage very close to home - possibly due to the fact that they defaecate as they leave the hive. 2 Bees often do not do well under trees - damp conditions. 3 If branches fall off the tree they can damage the hive. 4 Low branches can make it difficult to work - veils can get caught up and damaged. 5 Picking the crop can be tricky - unless you want to do it in beekeeping gear! 6 It would take a long time to move them a few feet at a time. Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net>... >Perhaps you have been feeding your bees. If they are getting syrup >delivered to their front doors, why should they fly 300 feet for what >may or may not be a particularly tasty apple nectar. I would consider >doing two things: moving the bees under the trees and interrupting their >feeding, each hive staggered one day at a time. This could compromise >the interests of the apple blossoms and the bees. > >mski wrote: >> >> From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've >> started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're >> suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) >> >> One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have >> my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next >> to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about >> 60% of the blossoms in bloom). >> >> Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >> yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. >> Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass >> visiting single trees further away. >> >> Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees >> or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:17:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:51:39 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3734DC1B.DD9ACFE2@worldnet.att.net> References: <371FED75.B217041@valley.net> <8B533DFCC83DA037.0DE56CF387D4F26A.B8E77B672679D01D@library-proxy.airnews.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926211038 22150 12.72.2.239 (9 May 1999 00:50:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 00:50:38 GMT To: dewitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17103 In one sense, feeding heavily could mean feeding as much as the bees will take, and feeding lightly would mean something less. Another factor to consider along with the amount is the rate. With your particular device, how many bees can feed at one time? How many holes are punched, and how big are they? What mesh size have you, and how much mesh? I use division boards along with 1 quart Mason jars with holes punched in the lids. In a few hives, I have several jars grouped on the topbars. In those hives, each and every jar seems popular. Most of the hives are 1-2 month old packages, and there is still occasional snow to contend with. They are using 1 gallon of syrup per 1 to 4 days. dewitt wrote: > > >feed HEAVILY. > > Please define above? 1 gallon, 2 gallon, one quart??? > > a gallon every day? > > Put in a gallon and replace when empty? Check every day, week. month? From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:17:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734E5C5.EC91A502@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:30:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-216-76-187-58.sld.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:30:26 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17104 I want to buy wholesale from a distributor and sell retail all supplies for the bee keeper. Is ther anyone out there who would have the name of a manufacture company that I can contact. If so , please write to Margaret at daffydou@bellsouth.net From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:09:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17105 >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" >the first time one tries it, though. > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. >John Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Wed May 12 07:17:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> <37303af6.90148125@news2.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:05:40 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <#iDvl$vl#GA.276@cpmsnbbsa05> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17106 Dave Hamilton wrote in message > I would also like to know if there is such a think in the US .. places > like Sue-Bee require 40,000 lbs lots .. what is available for someone > with 1000 lbs? I would be more that happy to help start one, if interest let talk. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:17:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!egsner!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:54:11 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7gr4el$k49$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.245 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925963541 20617 12.72.45.245 (6 May 1999 04:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 04:05:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17107 I think this is one of those where there is more than 1 correct answer and without the benefit of direct observation some assumptions have to be made. So here is my take. If they are Italians, I would let them complete what they started. The sealed one could emerge today or 10 days from now so ordering a new queen may or may not gain you much and there is always a risk with introduction. In this situation it is conceivable that you could find and destroy the old queen and overlook a virgin from one of the cells. This would be a disaster for any queen you try to introduce. I once had a package that I tried twice unsuccessfully to requeen when I found the original marked queen dead in front of the hive. Each new queen was killed and tossed out. I finally did a frame-by-frame search and after checking each frame what must have been 3 times, lo and behold I spot the most pathetic worker-looking virgin. She got shook into the package and as long as she was there, no other queen had a chance. Back to your situation. You still have a laying queen so it is not like you will be waiting with no new brood while the supercedure is reared and mates. You also have 3 other colonies to pull from if this hive needs a little boost. This is a pretty swarmy spring so there are probably plenty of drones about in western OR. Supercedures are usually pretty good performers as they are well cared for while being reared. If they are a hybrid like Buckfast, no way. Get a new queen from a breeder and make sure you don't have any new queens wandering around. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Casfam1 wrote in message news:19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com... > I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are > doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through > their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection > I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly > solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped > yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > > Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have > started? > My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages > contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got > to love that plastic foundation). > Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive > for next year. > As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. > thanks for any help and all the help in the past . > > Gary caswell western Oregon > From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:17:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:55:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 925975141 209.69.69.109 (Thu, 06 May 1999 02:19:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:19:01 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17108 As to the runes, those are on the > fourth side and they are Old Norse designs, prohibited by law. Prohibited by law????? Whose Law? I have embroidered tunics with paragraphs of runic "Graffiti" to the amusement of the others I know who are rune literate, But I never thought of decorating a hive with them... Hmm... "This hive was made By Elen... Beware of flying Valkyrie..." (Well they are warrior maidens!) I am A SCA (Society for creative Anachronisims) Member and I have been investigating TBH's as a compromise between the traditional skeps and boxes, and modern beekeeping techniques. I havent figured out any way to make them look more "Period" for Living history demonstrations tho. I have thought about making a TB obsevation hive in a glass fronted log, but I am afraid it would be difficult to transport safely by myself. (Heavy things those logs...) As for a place to post, what about Geocities.com- I hear they provide free web pages.... Sorry I don't know details.... Ellen Anglin AKA: Elen Greenhand- part time viking, among other things.... From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:26:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990506072614.13043.00000010@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17109 >American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by >fire is the only course of action. All tools and clothing must be sterilized >also. I've never had it in my beeyard and I hope I never do. > Very Good Answer Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee supplies Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:48:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734E5C5.EC91A502@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990508224827.08234.00001281@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17110 From: Margaret Howell >I want to buy wholesale from a distributor and sell retail all supplies >for the bee keeper. Is ther anyone out there who would have the name of >a manufacture company that I can contact. If so , please write to >Margaret at daffydou@bellsouth.net Mann Lake has a dealer network. You can find them at: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/index.html Also Dadant & Sons: http://www.dadant.com/ Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen hive Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:45:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17111 Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can only bring in so much nectar. From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:17:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734EA28.73B50C72@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used wooden ware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:49:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-216-76-187-58.sld.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:49:07 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17112 I have been looking for the same for awhile, found some from a new acquaintance. Not much other luck. Paid plenty for the new boxes. Margaret From p010ne@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: p010ne@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:30:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.11.141.128 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 04 22:30:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; MCI CD V4.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.11.141.128 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17113 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > Greetings all... > > Our first colony of bees will arrive 4/29, and I hope to install them in > their new abode soon after that. > > I'm using the installation procedure detailed in Dadant's "First Lessons > in Beekeeping" as my guide. > > Does anyone have anything to add/change about what they say in the book? > > Thanks! > > -- I am also following the book, but I guess I goofed when I placed the cage between two frames -- about a week later I checked and the bees have drawn out the some comb too far at the top of those frames! (Should I cut that comb even with the rest -- or do the bees even it out eventually?) My queen was released just fine -- the candy was OK. Also, I have been trying to check if the queen is laying eggs, like the book says, but I cannot be certain I see those tiny needle sized cylinders? There are many cells with some dark brown stuff in them in the lower section, but is that the pollen and the eggs are supposed to be in them? I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: different way to release Queen Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 05:00:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17114 what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a cage in a hive and left it for 6 days. seems like the bees couldnt kill the new queen and they'd eventually get used to her odor, etc. would this make it more or less likely she would be accepted. if more likely, could you just release her and put her on the top bar? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 05:07:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990509010717.19534.00001391@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17115 Your just the person I need to talk to. My fiancee has MS, and we're considering bee sting therapy. It was the original reason I thought I might try raising bees; however, I've turned into a totally nutty hobbyist/wannabee sideliner. I say "considering" because she's pregnant right now so it's not a good time to start a new therapy. She tried the betaseron last year right after she was diagnosed -- made her sicker than the MS (like getting the flu every other day when she took her shot). Blech! Quality of life is a factor here. I'm sure this is all old news to you. My questions -- to start with -- are these: 1) Since I'm now keeping bees for honey, hobby and profit, would you recommend that I keep my medicinal hive(s) separate from my honey hives? How does a medicinal hive differ in its life and honey production from a hive keep for more conventional reasons? 2) Do you keep one hive for therapy or several? 3) As I understand it you need from 15 to 30 bees a day for stinging. What do you do to get bees in the dead of winter? Do you just pop open the hive in 10 degree weather and scoop a cup of bees out of the cluster? Have you ever killed a hive like this? Anything else you think I should be aware of? Thanks, JM From cpullman@ckt.net Wed May 12 07:18:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37350719.F1D00D64@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives-why would they work References: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:55:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.23 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 926221963 206.253.50.23 (Sat, 08 May 1999 22:52:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:52:43 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17116 JCHenry500 wrote: > Why would a two-queen hive be more productive that a single queen system? > Seems like they can only lay so many eggs and the bees can only bring in so > much honey. So why would a double queen systme be materially any different > than two hives with two queens side by side? A two gueen hive can be used to build up the hive population quickly for the honey flow, but they are harder to work because of the queen divider and the extra hive bodies.it would probably have to be a strong hive to start out. Like you said the bees would have to work hard to keep up two queens laying. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 23:58:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990504195808.11111.00002587@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17117 >We have to keep the bees from getting to the pernicious chemical. We have >to do something quickly. > ****correct***** >f I had the material, I'd put some kind of cheesecloth over the hive a >Alternatively, I'd minimize the entrance to the hive using the >Yes, no, mebbe? **** the above is a bit much, and can definately be used for pesticide spraying near by, as with tobacco sheets soaked with water during aerial bug spraying. The trick to the ?? is that Sevin can be totally neutralized by spraying it with water, so a quick run with the pump up sprayer or garden hose saves the day. Sevin is such a great danger to bees because they will carry it home just like pollen, as a matter of fact it gathers better than some pollens. Sometimes 2-3 frames of dead new brood later on down the road are the only sign that they have been poisoned. ***** Good answer Stretch !!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 02:40:18 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 2:34:55 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17118 JCHenry500 wrote: >what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a cage >in a hive and left it for 6 days. I assume you're refering to leaving the queen cage corked so the bees couldn't eat out the candy. If this is so, then the hive would be without a laying queen until she was released. >seems like the bees couldnt kill the new queen and they'd eventually get used >to her odor, etc. You never know. Queen cages are good little devices, but they are NOT perfect. It has happened that while in a queen cage, queens have had antenae or legs pulled or bitten off by (older) worker bees, and even stung through the cage. This usually happens as she walks on the screen and the bees haven't accepted her as their own. If you kill the old queen and immediately put in the new queen (caged), her chances of getting damaged are higher. If you can't wait 24 hours (read below), at least wait a few hours or more. >would this make it more or less likely she would be accepted. if more likely, >could you just release her and put her on the top bar? IMHO, you're making it more difficult than you have to. Kill the old queen, wait 24 hours then give them the new queen in the cage (uncorked but with a candy plug). The bees will eat out the candy plug and release her. By that time it is very likely that they will have accepted her. Bees know within about an hour the old queen is dead. Giving them 24 hours usually does the trick in having them loose their "memory" of the old queen. A new queen is _usually_ welcome at that point and they _usually_ won't start supercedure cell construction. They should eat the candy out in about 2-3 days, releasing her. By that time her queen pheromone has permiated the hive and they'll _usually_ accept her. I'm sure you've noticed I've included a lot of "_usually_". This is because you never can predict 100% what bees will do 100% of the time. THEY seem to know what's best for them, and it's not unheard of an introduced queen to be killed (even over and over will succeeding introductions of new queens). Sometimes they can tell if the new queen is not a good one and will kill her and raise one their own. A lot depends on the conditions inside the hive, and outside the hive in the environment (i.e.: a strong nectar flow seems to always help queen introductions to be successful). Hope this helps. Yes, you could keep her locked up for six days, then release her manually and it may work just as well, but why bother (unless of course for some reason you're not able to go the hive the next day--long distance outyard)? Releasing her manually may cost you anywhere from 1-3 days of egg laying by the new queen (which may translate into a few thousand bees). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!spool.news.idt.net.MISMATCH!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 04:05:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 4:01:29 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17119 I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. Have I missed something? I only started working with bees in '89, but I try to stay on top of things. Is this correct (UV light kills eggs)? If it is, how much UV light does it take? When I examine frames it usually doesn't take me but several seconds per side (unless I'm looking for the queen or diagnosing a problem) but I would hate to be killing off a days-worth of future brood each time I do so! Personally, I haven't _noticed_ a slack in population build up after inspecting brood comb (like, I'm sure I would be able to tell if I was missing a thousand or so bees out of 30-60,000+ anyway... not!). But then again, I haven't gone back in to check for UV killed eggs either. One thing I do know... you never stop learning about bees (or beekeeping), but I would have thought I would have heard of this one before now. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From euroxboy@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee boxes & supplies Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 10:11:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734DF62.44ECD357@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990509061101.13483.00000995@ng68.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17120 You could check Western Bee Supplies http:www.ptinet.net/~stinger Keith From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:18:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 07:42:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> To: David Scribner X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 9 May 1999 11:43:39 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 9 04:45:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 36 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust151.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17121 I look in on my observation hive daily and the ultroviliot light does not seem to hurt them. My hive is inside a screened porch and sometimes has direct sunlight on it when I open it up. I have some hives i am experimenting with and open them up in the direct sunlight often and have noticed any problems. DonDavid Scribner wrote: > > I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive > exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are > offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in > Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). > > Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it > quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which > IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way > I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun > highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. > > Have I missed something? I only started working with bees in '89, but I try > to stay on top of things. Is this correct (UV light kills eggs)? If it is, > how much UV light does it take? When I examine frames it usually doesn't > take me but several seconds per side (unless I'm looking for the queen or > diagnosing a problem) but I would hate to be killing off a days-worth of > future brood each time I do so! > > Personally, I haven't _noticed_ a slack in population build up after > inspecting brood comb (like, I'm sure I would be able to tell if I was > missing a thousand or so bees out of 30-60,000+ anyway... not!). But then > again, I haven't gone back in to check for UV killed eggs either. > > One thing I do know... you never stop learning about bees (or beekeeping), > but I would have thought I would have heard of this one before now. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From jimbo007@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQUjzKkTwZry4GKJK+plnvur6cS6gIUCeSE9eO2tB1S0CIlxJy7I/BLd04= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17122 I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. From jimbo007@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving the hive ? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <28219-37359185-18@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqhaixU60IJeYlUX+RCWoG+zGaOACFQCK4H+1urbkIW4aaTUfCvibSwO5XA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17123 I had to move a hive in my backyard 15 feet. For two days the bees kept coming home to the original area, flew around for a while and then headed for the new hive location. My question is how in the world do Professional Bee Managers who truck their hives across the country ever get them to settle down ? From allend@internode.net Wed May 12 07:18:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:31:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7h42mu$9so$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 09 13:31:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.181 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17124 > I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive > exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are > offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in > Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). > > Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it > quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which > IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way > I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun > highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. > > Have I missed something? Well, the fact that UV kills eggs and/or young larvae is pretty well known, but I think it takes more than a few seconds. The major problem is that many of us lean the frames up against the hives when we work through, and if we are not careful about the sun angle, they can be directly exposed for quite a little while. The other big killer is dryness. Temperature is not particularly important for larvae. Steve Tabor talked of wrapping a frame with young larvae in a damp towel, putting it into a fridge overnight and successfully grafting from it in the morning. Of course the proof is simple, regarding the UV. One of us could take several frames with young larvae and expose them to direct full sun for measured periods of say, 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, and 10 minutes, then return them to their original positions. If diagrams of what was where were made, in a matter of several days, conclusions could be reached. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:10:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3735A564.FCD71029@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926262507 26115 12.72.2.24 (9 May 1999 15:08:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 15:08:27 GMT To: Hk1BeeMan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17125 It's not how _long_ you hang out, it's where. Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > >the first time one tries it, though. > > > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what > >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > >John > > Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 14:19:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990509101937.08244.00001306@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17126 >Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed >to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can >only bring in so much nectar. Well, you would think that a hive with 20,000 bees would make half the honey that a hive with 40,000 bees would make, but it doesn't work that way. The larger hive makes proportionately more, because they can field more workers. Two queens is just one way of getting the larger hive quicker (just in time for the flow). Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jle@iolinc.net Wed May 12 07:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3735DCCE.40881ACB@iolinc.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:06:54 -0700 From: John X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varoa References: <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> <1832E96A8S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net X-Trace: 9 May 1999 12:08:42 -0500, dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.102.135.5!206.102.135.5!dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17127 Try varroa.com John Eakins Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> > "grduffy" writes: > > > > >I would like to get as much information on the history of varoa as > >possible, where it started,how long it took to travel across europe,etc.are > >there any sources available if so I would appreciate any help. > >Greg,. > > There is a web page out there somewhere which gives a very impressive > graphical presentation of Varro's "immigration" throughout the world. > Unfortunately I misplaced the URL and have not been able to find it > using search engines. Anybody have it bookmarked? > > Aaron Morris - thinking automobiles are great things if I can just find > the damned keys! From cynicoid@hotmail.com Wed May 12 07:18:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!quince.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "kay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new keeper Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:00:06 +0100 Organization: [posted via Easynet Ltd] Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt-8-91.easynet.co.uk X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 926261932 55805 195.40.204.91 (9 May 1999 14:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 14:58:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17128 I am about to get a beehive for the first time.I know some of the basics but have some questions I hope you can answer. (1)Is it essential to have the smoke bellows,I have seen bee-keepers tending hives without using smoke or any protective clothing,a bee-keeper friend says that using smoke is essential or the bees will try to attack. (2)Does the hive need to be situated in a certain place,I was thinking of putting it in a corner of the garden which gets no sun and is a bit damp,or even putting it in an outhouse which has a gate so access for the bees is not restricted,again this is cold and damp.Neither of these places are ideal but will they be o.k. (3)Once I have collected a swarm do I just put them in the hive and let them get on with it or is there some preparation involved beforehand? (4)Does the honey need to be collected regularly or could I leave the bees all season without ever even visiting the hive?Obviously I do want to get honey from time to time but is there any detrimental effect by not collecting it say once a week? (5)Apart from the protective clothing,smoke bellows,hive and bees are there any other essential items of equipment needed? Thanks for any help. cynicoid@hotmail.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:39:50 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 11:35:36 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17129 JPA555 wrote in message: >I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 >sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing >them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting >fumidil also in the syrup? The syrup you're feeding them won't hurt them, and by including Fumidil-B in the syrup you are medicating them (a good thing) to prevent Nosema, a desease that can cause dysentery. A thinner syrup (1:1 water to sugar ratio) is usually fed in the sping as it better simulates a nectar flow. This helps to spur egg laying and brood raising, thereby increasing the hive population so you have a strong hive population come the natural nectar flow (more workers=more nectar gathered=more honey). The thicker syrup (1:2 water to sugar ratio) is usually fed (again, with medication) in the fall as the bees will use the "syrup honey" for winter food. The thicker syrup does not need to be processed by the bees as much as the thinner (making it easier on the fall population) and is stored more quickly. You could add a little water to the syrup feeder if you wanted, or just wait until the next refill. Just make sure that you've fed and medicated your colonies before you put on supers that will be pulled at harvest, or afterwards in the fall. This will help ensure that you won't be harvesting natural honey adulterated with sugar syrup honey, or contaminated with medications. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:39:45 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7h4e3m$klm$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268342 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17130 I would agree that this is not a good idea - queens will get damaged this way and in the height of the season you will lose the production of a great deal of brood. The key to introducing a queen is to give the hive what it expects. If it has a laying queen then you should have no trouble introducing a new laying queen; if it is broodless it would expect a virgin or perhaps a cell. I introduce queens at the same time as dequeening and use a Butler cage. I used to cover the open end with a single piece of newspaper held with a rubber band but found that the bands had usually perished in my beekeeping box when I needed them! So I now just push a scrap of newspaper very loosely into the hole (just enough to stop the queen escaping). I have returned to see what was going on, and find that the queen is often released within two hours. David Scribner wrote in message <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>... >JCHenry500 wrote: >>what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a >cage >>in a hive and left it for 6 days. > > From jpa555@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 15:58:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17131 I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting fumidil also in the syrup? From jle@iolinc.net Wed May 12 07:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3735DC73.85B5F5B3@iolinc.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:05:23 -0700 From: John X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Equipment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net X-Trace: 9 May 1999 12:07:12 -0500, dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.102.135.5!206.102.135.5!dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17132 One little tip that can save you some money. I bought a suit w/a zip-on veil and hat. My bought some 'tulle' at Wal-Mart and made some veils for her and our daughters, matched w/ some old straw hats, and they are fine and lighter than purchased veils/hats. They wear white turtle necks and light leather gloves. Complete outfit costs practically nothing. John Eakins mbelluso wrote: > Hi All, > > I have not started my first hive yet. This year is information gathering > and some hands on with those more experienced than myself. > > There are some of you folks who know your way around quite well. You know > who you are, I can tell by the way you respond to questions. > I wish to buy the basics and work my way up as most of you probably did once > upon a time. Everything from bee suits, gloves, smokers, hive tools, > feeders, etc. My question is about equipment preferences > What works, what doesn't, is the $150.00 bee suit worth the cost? > > I can understand not wanting to start another war by replying directly to > the group with answers. If any of you folks have some good feed back with > regard to why you use, what you use/wear etc. I would sure be greatful. If > you wish, use the address below for responses. Thanks. Success comes with > many counselors... > -- > mb :-) > > Michael & Yolanda Belluso > 265 N. Tomagene Drive > Bourbonnais, IL 60914-2132 > 815-935-2650 > ymbelluso@yahoo.com From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 16:17:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990509121709.14596.00001297@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17133 Reducing trips to the field was my goal. Was thinking I could kill the queen, add the caged queen and leave it alone for a week, then come back and release her. That way I could get away with two trips instead of having to come back in a day or two to see if see was release properly thanks From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a laying worker Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:06:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7h4j44$lni$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.12 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926273476 22258 12.72.51.12 (9 May 1999 18:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 18:11:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17134 I checked on this colony yesterday and happy to report that it was a success! George Styer wrote in message news:7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net... > I had a situation where 2 of the 3 mating nucs I set up in a divided deep > failed to produce a laying queen. In fact I suspect they were lost during > their mating flights since I never saw them again after they emerged (they > were there at one time). At any rate, I combined these 2 and gave them a > swarm cell from another hive. Again no mated queen although the cell was > neatly opened at the end. That was several weeks ago and 2 weeks ago this > nuc has quite a bit of drone cells exclusively. Check and double check, no > queen. So I have to say laying worker. > > Yesterday I marked the Q in the 3rd nuc and moved the whole shooting match > about 20 ft away. In the old location I paced a new bottom board, deep, and > put the 3 frames from the queenright nuc in the center. Then back at the > remaining frames 20 ft away I held each one high and thouroghly shook and > brushed all the bees off. As I liberated each frame of bees I then replaced > it in the new hive containing the 3 frames from the queenright colony. It > was mass confusion as this cloud of bees eventually located the entrance > (there were 3 previously, 1 for each nuc). At one point I thought they were > going to abscond. > > Did it work? Well I think so. I checked after about 5 hours and her highness > was still laying and had all of her legs and wings. Time will tell. Rain > today so they will be confined. Not sure if this is good or bad. I'll check > it out in about 1 week and report back. I am not sure what I should be > looking for now other than the obvious like a laying queen. If this is > sucessful and any of the laying workers made it back to the hive, will their > egg laying cease? When am I out of the woods? > > This is my first attempt at this and had only read about it. Any other > methods out there? > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:30:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4e3k$klm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268340 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17135 Whilst I am sure that UV light will kill them given sufficient exposure, the important point here is to expose the eggs - and larvae - to as little direct sunlight as possible; they will soon cook in the heat of the sun! If, like me, you usually take out the first frame and rest it on the ground leaning against the hive, make sure that you put it on the side that is in the shade; for the beginners - shake the bees off it (down in front of the hive) before you put it back so that you do not squash them. Incidentally, if you are desperate to find the queen you can guarantee that after you have been through the rest of the hive several times, you will find her on that comb leaning against the hive! With regard to the observation hive, they do seem to survive with plenty of light on them, but remember that the glass will filter out a fair proportion of the UV (this will depend on the type and thickness of the glass). workerbee wrote in message <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net>... >I look in on my observation hive daily and the ultroviliot light does >not seem to hurt them. My hive is inside a screened porch and sometimes >has direct sunlight on it when I open it up. I have some hives i am >experimenting with and open them up in the direct sunlight often and >have noticed any problems. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:44:31 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4e3n$klm$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <37343F6D.1948@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268343 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17136 My advice would be always to put on full beekeeping gear when tackling a swarm - especially if it requires the use of a ladder. As soon as you see that they are good tempered you can take it off. Better safe than sorry! From beeman221@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Mustard Recipe Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:57:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7h4epa$i28$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 09 16:57:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17137 I am hoping that someone will have a recipe for honey mustard that they will be willing to share. Wishing all full supers, Pete. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--   ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From transit@primenet.com Wed May 12 07:18:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles P. Hobbs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:03:17 -0700 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3735DBEC.5F9F@primenet.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip166.pom.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @204.212.52.166 (transit) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17138 cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: > > i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous > nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? Rhododendrons are supposed to produce toxic nectar and honey . . . From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Wed May 12 07:18:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping course and bee suit Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:02:47 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <19990503164421.04643.00001021@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jajwuth In-Reply-To: <19990503164421.04643.00001021@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17139 On 3 May 1999, Jajwuth wrote: > Date: 03 May 1999 20:44:21 GMT > From: Jajwuth > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: beekeeping course and bee suit > > Is there any recognized courses on beekeeping with hands on experience. > I understand that the Fairview College course has been discontinued. > > What is the finest quality bee suit to buy? > > Thanks all > Jajwuth > the finest quality bee suit to buy is usually the cheapest. for myself i work my own bees or do county inspections in blue jeans, golf or polo shirt with collar, and a sweatshirt. the inner shirt provides something for the veil to snug up against for a tight fit, and the sweatshirt is just something i picked up at a thrift store that provides thickness to ward off most stings. a thin pair a socks covered with thicker pair is usually adequate, and i sometimes even tie my pants legs off, but not always. tramping around in snake country, it is helpful to wear a pair of high-top boots, but i usually can get away with factory work shoes and even a pair of moccasins. i carry an old nascar jump suit, but seldom ever get it out. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From dcscott@bright.net Wed May 12 07:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!131.103.1.118!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!205.212.123.11!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:23:42 -0400 Organization: bright.net Ohio Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-14.dial.bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 926275589 14461 209.143.25.83 (9 May 1999 18:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 18:46:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17140 George Styer wrote in message news:7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net... > I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a > yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 > stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 > year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for > aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. > > Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green > marks? It is still > B=0, 5 > W=1, 6 > Y=2, 7 > R=3, 8 > G=4, 9 > isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? I have you all beat, my queens were marked white this year. Does that mean they are old or really really old? LOL Or do we have a new system in beekeeping where we mark them with a replace date now? From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Wed May 12 07:18:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: division feeders ?'s Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:54:52 -0400 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nlnhusr0-a11.kear.tds.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17141 So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do you do it? Its real easy if its bone dry and all the bees are hanging out else where, BUT what about when it is 1/4 full and you pour sugar water in and most of the bees do not realize the tide is coming in! One of my two hives had a plastic feeder with no bumps on the inside, I went in last week after checking hive #1`. hive 1 >bone dry hive 2 without bumps 1/2 full syrup> and drowned bees :>( and yes I had a float board in both . It seems that the little girls couldnt climb the walls. Changed the feeder to bump walls, slid it in after filling it. Back to hive # 1 to refill , only had a 1 quart to put in the other day, so I wanted to fill it, and this is where the problem lies. Do you yank it out, pour off syrup and bees in the grass and refill it and slide it in or just pour on the syrup whilst the feeder is installed and watch some girls drown at the cocktail lounge? Damon Josz |Sunapee NH From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 1999 20:49:11 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509164911.26170.00000832@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17142 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 1999 20:49:13 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509164913.26170.00000833@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17143 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:18:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RFI Small hive beetle Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:08:51 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7h4tig$717$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926284176 7207 129.173.88.206 (9 May 1999 21:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 21:09:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17144 Hi folks, Fellow german beekeepers asked me if I can provide information about the small hive beetle. I screened the WWW and found a lot of information. However, most of the pages deal with the situation in 1998. What is going on in the 1999 season? What is the current distribution range of the beetle in the USA? I would appreciate if somebody could provide me image -files of the beetle and its larvae, as well as the appearance of the pest at hives. I found some images on WEB-pages, but these are looking not very satisfying if printed in a larger scale. I would love to have some which I can print to a size of 7x4 with reasonable resolution to show the bug to my friends on a future meeting. The idea is to prepare the people, just in case that the pest might show up some day in Germany, and of course to prevent some hysteric reaction if somebody finds a small black beetle in his hive (there are huge numbers of small black beetle species). If you are able to give me up to date information, links to web pages, or image files contact me under uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Thanks for your help and support Ulli Hoger From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeders ?'s Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:25:50 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3735FD5E.8B08E43F@worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 926285112 11045 12.72.3.101 (9 May 1999 21:25:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 21:25:12 GMT To: Damon Josz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17145 First, I fish out any dead bees onto the the topbars, then I smoke the feeder until the bees march out. You could also use a long-necked funnel to fill the feeder from the bottom up. Damon Josz wrote: > > So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do > you do it? > Its real easy if its bone dry and all the bees are hanging out else where, > BUT what about when it is 1/4 full and you pour sugar water in and most of > the bees do not realize the tide is coming in! One of my two hives had a > plastic feeder with no bumps on the inside, > I went in last week after checking hive #1`. hive 1 >bone dry hive 2 > without bumps 1/2 full syrup> and drowned bees :>( and yes I had a float > board in both . It seems that the little girls couldnt climb the walls. > Changed the feeder to bump walls, slid it in after filling it. Back to hive > # 1 to refill , only had a 1 quart to put in the other day, so I wanted to > fill it, and this is where the problem lies. Do you yank it out, pour off > syrup and bees in the grass and refill it and slide it in or just pour on > the syrup whilst the feeder is installed and watch some girls drown at the > cocktail lounge? > > Damon Josz > |Sunapee NH From vussn@tin.it Wed May 12 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "alessandro maresca" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer fly Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:20:04 +0200 Organization: TIN Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7h51h0$3ao$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-na11-10.tin.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17146 Messaggio a più sezioni in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm looking for any informations about what is colled the killer fly (senotainia tricuspis). It is a fly that inoculates the bees with its egg while they fly strait toward the hive. The egg opens and the "warm" (sorry for the english), starts eating the inside muscles of the bees. The infected bee shows the wings forming a K. The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees per minute. If you have any information about how to fight it please reply to vussn@tin.it thanks Alex ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm = looking for any=20 informations about what is colled the killer fly (senotainia=20 tricuspis).
It is a fly that inoculates the bees = with its=20 egg while they fly strait toward the hive. The egg opens and the =20 "warm" (sorry for the english), starts eating the inside = muscles of=20 the bees. The infected bee shows the wings forming a K.
The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees = per=20 minute.
If you have any information about = how to fight=20 it please reply to vussn@tin.it =
thanks = Alex
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0-- From lauramleek@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 22:35:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3735DBEC.5F9F@primenet.com> Message-ID: <19990509183511.26486.00000457@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17147 I believe Rhododendrons honey is only toxic uncapped. Once it is capped it is fine. It also has to bee a ton of rhodies. Laura From nospam@home.com Wed May 12 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad smell in hive Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 22:48:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 926290131 24.6.224.103 (Sun, 09 May 1999 15:48:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:48:51 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17148 To all: I checked one of my hives yesterday and noticed a bad smell, like foulbrood but not terribly strong, in the hive. I have dealt with AFB before so I am familiar with the symptoms. I checked every frame and all the brood looked healthy. I even uncapped some sealed brood but found them all healthy. The hive looked in all respects healthy - the smell just bothers me. I treated it with terramycin earlier in the spring - there were no symptoms at that time, and I did not notice this smell. What could be the cause of what I was smelling. (I had already taken a shower already that day! ;) ) Thanks, George C Lakewood, CO From amschelp@pe.net Wed May 12 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Message-ID: References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.224 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926292986 216.100.28.224 (Sun, 09 May 1999 19:36:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:36:26 EDT Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:40:23 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17149 Bee Bob told me that my black Wellington boots would irritate the bees and that I should wear brown boots instead. In article <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>, jimbo007@webtv.net says... > I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and > kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the > girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a > black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it > yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a > hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right > on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock > and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke > when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the > combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. > > From amschelp@pe.net Wed May 12 07:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Message-ID: References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.224 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926292854 216.100.28.224 (Sun, 09 May 1999 19:34:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:34:14 EDT Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:38:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17150 I wonder how big his Johnson is when he gets done letting the bees sting it. In article <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > >the first time one tries it, though. > > > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what > >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > >John > > Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From sorry@no.spam Wed May 12 07:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rodney Isom" Subject: 'Disinfecting' used hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:34:14 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.147.154.58!news.hiwaay.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max3-208-147-151-209.dialup.HiWAAY.net 208.147.151.209 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17151 Hi guys, I got a used beehive for free from a relative who ran across it in a storage building. He doesn't know where it came from or what happened to the bees that were originally in it. It needs cleaning up & painting, but otherwise the body seems to be in fairly good shape. I've read that to insure against foulbrood, you must scorch the inside of the hive thoroughly with a torch or something. My question is: After doing that, what else should be done to the inside of the hive before installing bees? Does the burned wood need to be sanded or cleaned somehow, or just left alone? Thanks for the help, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: killer fly Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:57:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7h5bva$flg$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7h51h0$3ao$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17152 "alessandro maresca" wrote: >Hi >I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm looking for any informations about what is >colled the killer fly (senotainia tricuspis). >It is a fly that inoculates the bees with its egg while they fly strait >toward the hive. The egg opens and the "warm" (sorry for the english), >starts eating the inside muscles of the bees. The infected bee shows the >wings forming a K. >The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees per minute. >If you have any information about how to fight it please reply to >vussn@tin.it >thanks Alex Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag. I'm sure USDA bee researchers are making plane reservations right now so that they can collect some and bring them back to America. They are probable creaming their jeans just thinking about a new bee pest! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad smell in hive Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:00:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h5c50$flg$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17153 "George C" wrote: >To all: >I checked one of my hives yesterday and noticed a bad smell, like foulbrood >but not terribly strong, in the hive. I have dealt with AFB before so I am >familiar with the symptoms. I checked every frame and all the brood looked >healthy. I even uncapped some sealed brood but found them all healthy. The >hive looked in all respects healthy - the smell just bothers me. I treated >it with terramycin earlier in the spring - there were no symptoms at that >time, and I did not notice this smell. >What could be the cause of what I was smelling. (I had already taken a >shower already that day! ;) ) >Thanks, >George C >Lakewood, CO It's way too early for asters to be in bloom. Try smelling the fanned exhast from the hive in the evening. It could very well be the nectar they are collecting. You should be able to tell when they are drying it at night. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From ttgme@megalink.net Wed May 12 07:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37362828.EE3BD0CE@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. References: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarQ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:28:24 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.146 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 926296454 208.148.250.146 (Sun, 09 May 1999 20:34:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:34:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17154 Jim Mosley wrote: > I am a farmer who has just started beekeeping. How long should I feed > my bees after installing the packages? Here is what I was taught just a few years ago. Feed the bees 1:1 sugar syrup until the bees tell you that they don't want anymore... i.e. They will stop taking the syrup from the feeder. I tried this and found that my bees kept taking syrup all summer. My suggestion would be to feed them until plenty of natural forage is available and blooming in your area. At that point let the bees finish emptying whatever is left in the feeder, and then remove it from the hive when it is empty. From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:09:32 GMT References: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509220932.26170.00000875@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17155 In article <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) writes: > >Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed >to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can >only bring in so much nectar. > > >From my experience, the reason is that all colonies are not strong enough to gather a large surplus. The 2 queen setup makes all units strong, even if one of the colonies was not very great. Average honey production is very high this way. If you could insure all colonies were very strong, and did not swarm, there would be little need for a 2 queen system, as it does entail a lot more work. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed May 12 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:33:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:35:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17156 A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. Does anyone remember what that book was? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp hives Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:35:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373250D7.81E631E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990507063524.19484.00000342@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17157 >Help........ > > Can anyone tell me how wasp nests are built. My granddaughter has >this for an elementary school project and needs the info by next Monday. > >Thanks, > >A. Wayne > They chew up vegetable matter and combine it with spit to form a substance that is very much like paper, it is applied layer by layer and ultimately forms the nest. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:37:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> Message-ID: <19990507063726.19484.00000343@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17158 >nd back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to >navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I >made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > >Shari > Traps'll do, the offering would only draw more ants Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Woodenware NC Wanted Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:44:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990507064426.19484.00000344@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17159 Hi gang, Paying 5.00 per hive body w/frames Paying 4.00 per super w/frames Paying 3.00 per Top cover Paying 2.00 per inner cover Paying 2.00 per bottom board These prices are for junk that is at least repairable, Would like to buy at least 15 total hives. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 15:52:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17160 I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the number of hives you keep. Ron Bennett Luckimaute Bee From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Wed May 12 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:52:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gv28k$dps$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:52:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17161 what about diameacious earth or hot pepper spray? at the base? DE kills insects naturally, any bees that get that stay on this will also die.so keep it on the ground encircling the hive. In article <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com>, sanford@monmouth.com wrote: > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > > ant access. How is your hive supported? > > The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front > and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to > navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I > made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > Shari > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad smell in hive Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:29:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h5c50$flg$3@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990509222947.09491.00000003@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17162 Also, I understand hives that have been infested with small hive beetles give off a smell like decaying oranges. From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h4epa$i28$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Mustard Recipe Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <5iqZ2.662$AZ2.552@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:04:50 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926298369 24.93.149.35 (Sun, 09 May 1999 18:06:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:06:09 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17163 Try this link for honey mustard recipies. http://www.recipeland.com/newsite/display_titles.epl?title=honey From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:08:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926298598 24.93.149.35 (Sun, 09 May 1999 18:09:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:09:58 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17164 You've got a lot of reading and research to do before you're ready for your first hive. Try the local library or a beekeeping assn. for information. From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:18:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.135 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:27:12 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3731ED10.F5DC74D0@digizen.net> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926068493 105132 209.194.78.12 (7 May 1999 09:14:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 09:14:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17165 Letting nature take its course would be a disaster. The chances of getting a mated and producing queen are near zero. On the other hand, you should probably wait until you're sure of who will be the new superceduure queen before you requeen. Otherwise, a supercedure queen may emerge and kill your brand new mated queen. Good luck! Casfam1 wrote: > I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are > doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through > their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection > I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly > solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped > yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > > Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have > started? > My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages > contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got > to love that plastic foundation). > Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive > for next year. > As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. > thanks for any help and all the help in the past . > > Gary caswell western Oregon From kamene@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Hives Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:47:24 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7gucrc$qr1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 09:47:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17166 Thanks Greg & jjmc Just reading your post, has answered a question I had asked in a previous post, re how to make rapid increase in one of my hives that is quite weak. I was hesitant to combine brood etc from my strong hive with that of the weaker in case there was any chance of spreading any type of spores between the hives.. here in New Zealand moving equipment from one hive to another is discouraged ... but the larvae look strong and healthy in both hives Carman In article <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net>, gregorm9@mail.idt.net wrote: > I have done as you described a lot and it works very well. Although, it > occured to me that there was no need to put slits in the paper as the > bees will chew through it in there own time. My concern with putting in > the slits was that when I put the hive back together, the slit MIGHT > open into a larger opening. > I would use this procedure to combine a small, queenright, handful of > bees in one hive with several frames of brood and bees taken from a > stronger colony. > > Greg > > jmcc wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > >   > > I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with > > several bees that didn`t  have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper > > with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the > > correct thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". > > Thanks for any help....... > >   > >                             jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed May 12 07:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: florida africanized bee finds Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:15:18 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 86 Message-ID: <37331196.4EC1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: 926086918 OCZ7E7JIA4814D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17167 05/06/99 - So Called "Killer Bees" found in Jacksonville Florida Port No Evidence of Permanent Florida Population of African Honey Bees Yet Found A press release by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) dated May 5, 1999 announced detection and destruction of two swarms of African honey bees found near the port of Blount Island in Jacksonville. Both were found in bait hives placed by FDACS for intercepting these kinds of honey bees that might come off ships. The bait hives were located in a container yard holding cargo shipped from Puerto Rico, which has an established African honey bee population. An additional 24 bait hives will be placed throughout the port and follow up inspections are scheduled to determine if other colonies exist. This detection marks the first time in Florida that African bee swarms have been detected in bait hives. Previous swarms have been reported by ship’s crews or dockworkers, who have been alerted to look for bees by state, USDA and customs officials. Swarms have been found 17 other times since 1983. African bees are sometimes called "killer bees," according to the press release, for their aggressive defense of their hives. The "killer" term comes from their reputation in many tropical areas, where these defensive insects have been responsible for deaths of animals and people. This has been picked up by various media and spread liberally around the state and nation over the years. Use of the term, unfortunately, may skew the public’s opinion and concern about this particular detection of these insects. This could lead to unjustified and unwarranted worries and actions based on the sensationalism of the "killer" label. The detection of African (often called "Africanized,"or simply "AHB") honey bees in bait hives does not mean there is an established population in Florida. There is no evidence of this yet in the Jacksonville area or other parts of the state where bees from undetermined origin were found on ships. One should be very skeptical of calls or information suggesting anyone in Florida is encountering or being threatened by "killer" bees. "Killer" bees are a different variant of the common honey bee, extremely difficult to distinguish from other honey bees commonly found in the state. They are capable of mass attacks, but only near a nest. All honey bees of any kind should be approached with caution and any nests assiduously avoided. If honey bees attack, those affected should get inside houses, automobiles, and other enclosed spaces that bees cannot enter. Any stinging incident, no matter the type of honey bee, must be considered serious particularly if multiple insects attack. A physician should be contacted immediately for either allergic reactions (trouble breathing) from a single sting or mass envenomation resulting from multiple stings. For more general information on these insects, see : http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?DOCUMENT_MG113 For a more in depth and historical treatment see the APIS web site index on the Africanized honey bee: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/threads/ahb.htm Tom Sanford Extension Apiculturist Publisher of APIS http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm Department of Entomology and Nematology University of Florida Mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu 352-392-1801 x 143 The University of Florida Pest Alert WWW site is at: http://extlab7.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/ From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Wed May 12 07:18:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wisteria:poison plant Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:36:33 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:36:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17168 i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another month or two. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:30:40 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.64.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926094554 19871 12.72.64.192 (7 May 1999 16:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 16:29:14 GMT To: Anglin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17169 Anglin wrote: > The Taliban is the group of Moslem fundamentalists who have brutally taken control of Afghanistan. All the men in the country now have to wear beards and all the women veils. Individuals who do not conform to the Taliban's ideas of proper Islamic behavior are beaten in the streets, thrown in prison, or executed. Visually, Taliban is what you'd get if you crossed the Amish with the Nazi party. > I love his site- I have recommended it to many people! > I am not familiar with the Taliban- Is that another living history > group? the SCA has contact with and overlaps a lot of other "Dress up" > groups. (N.E.R.O., The Tuchucks, and many others) > > > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > > From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 17:04:58 GMT References: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507130458.17932.00000241@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17170 In article <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) writes: > >I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the >number of hives you keep. > I think it levels off after 200 hives, the law of diminishing returns kicks in. If you keep AfricanizedHoneyBees, the number is considerably less. From markm@ntplx.net Wed May 12 07:18:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: markm@ntplx.net (mski) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apple blossoms and bees Message-ID: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:07:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.189.57 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 926104356 204.213.189.57 (Fri, 07 May 1999 15:12:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:12:36 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17171 >From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about 60% of the blossoms in bloom). Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass visiting single trees further away. Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? Thanks, Mark From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:43:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> Message-ID: <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17172 Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got hanging around back in the apiary? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:51:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17173 Peter, would you like to make a recommendation for natural substances that can be used to fight varroa? I'd rather not be using fluvalinate either, but I'm having trouble finding practical how-to information on alternative therapies. I understand food-grade mineral oil can be used. But where in the hive? When do you apply it and how much? What time of year? JM From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:07:44 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.176 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926305878 9281 12.72.49.176 (10 May 1999 03:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 03:11:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17174 Not being a queen breeder and knowing little about the commercial end of it, I'll hazard to say that would be that is is just plain uneconomical to overwinter surplus queens on a large scale. As for an unscroupulous breeder, word would get out to all beekeepers who purchase large quantities very quicky and his business would perish. JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com... > Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, > is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if > so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? > On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the > back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just > slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got > hanging around back in the apiary? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:10:43 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7h5iu5$9re$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.176 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926306053 10094 12.72.49.176 (10 May 1999 03:14:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 03:14:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17175 Geez, I do speak english. It's been a bad hay fever day! George Styer wrote in message news:7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net... > Not being a queen breeder and knowing little about the commercial end of it, > I'll hazard to say that would be that is is just plain uneconomical to > overwinter surplus queens on a large scale. As for an unscroupulous breeder, > word would get out to all beekeepers who purchase large quantities very > quicky and his business would perish. > From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 03:35:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Message-ID: <19990509233552.09491.00000024@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17176 I'm a first year beekeeper and all I can say is your questions are so fundamental that to answer them one would have to write an introduction to beekeeping (honey is harvested once a year, not once a week). Bees in a new hive must be fed sugar syrup (see a good beginner's book to find out what that is). A smoker is essential equipment, along with a hive tool (again see a beginner's book to find out what that is). And most important, bees in this country are under attack by several predatorary mites and insects that have been imported to this country in the last 10 years -- so much so that feral bee colonies have almost completely disappeared in most parts of the country. Many who keep bees for a living have been devastated and pushed into financial ruin as a result of the spread of these pests. Your lack of information could mean your hives will be attacked (lack of preventive efforts) and you will not know what is happening, or how to deal with it. As sources of infection and disease, you could be harming the hives of all beekeepers in your area, along with any feral colonies that may still exist there. You could even be exposing yourself to legal action in some areas of the country. Please, do some basic research. It's not hard to find a good beginner's book; there are more than a few. JM From beegrl@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: beegrl@webtv.net (Cherish Tietsworth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small hive beetles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAquD9omaUbPF+Q0dwnC/pOK06IIMCFQCneeZIfeETXkPzcLWjrQ60UZV7Vw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17177 I've just found out that the small hive beetle has been found in Pennsylvania. Apparently it came along in a package of bees from down south. Is anyone aware of other states experiencing the same problem? Our state Apiary Inspector said that the hives in question are not a threat to other beekeepers and are being treated with coumaphos. Just wondering what you think. From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetles Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:35:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19990509223536.09491.00000006@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17178 I'm curious as to how the hive beetle spreads. Beetles and their young live in the hive furniture, comb, and honey. How could package bees and queens spread the hive beetle if the beetles don't live on the bees? It occurred to me as I was writing that that the beetles could be shook into the packages at the same time the bees are. Does it follow then that if we beekeepers in the north don't want to be infested with hive beetles we should avoid buying bees from the Southeast where the beetles seem to be established? From kamene@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:12:17 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gr1af$s36$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.43 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 06 03:12:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17179 I have two hives, one of them is very strong and when recently checked there are no visible signs of ant disease or mites. My other hive has just been requeened with a new nucleus as the hive swarmed early in the honey flow season, the queen that was left didn't do well. This second hive hasn't had a good chance to build up winter food stocks as the new nucleus was introduced toward the end of the honey flow. The strong hive has plenty of winter food stock, we left the top super (3rd super) full of capped honey. I have been considering moving a frame of capped honey from the strong hive to the weak hive to see the 2nd hive through the coming winter. As I said there is no sign of any disease in the strong hive and all the larvae look very healthy. My question is would it be risky (in terms of health risks for the bees) to move a frame of capped honey from the strong hive to the weaker one? is this bad beekeeping practice? I've also heard that if a hive is healthy, a frame of larvae can be transferred from a strong hive to a weaker one to make rapid increase, is this acceptable practice or is there once again risk of transferring unhealthy spores? all answers appreciated Many thanks Carman -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeders ?'s Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:35:36 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37365f7e.866643@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> <3735FD5E.8B08E43F@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-48.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 9:35:46 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17180 Hi all, Not to promote one company over others, but Better-Bee in NY has a new division feeder with a 'fill-funnel' built into the thing - also with plastic floats on either side. I purchased 60 of these and they seem to work well in keeping the bees from drowning. They advertise in Bee Culture (or was it ABJ?) and show a diagram of the feeder this month & last. Watch so you don't make the syrup too thick though or the floats will stick on the crystalized sugar. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 09 May 1999 14:25:50 -0700, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: >First, I fish out any dead bees onto the the topbars, then I smoke the >feeder until the bees march out. You could also use a long-necked funnel >to fill the feeder from the bottom up. >Damon Josz wrote: >> >> So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do >> you do it? From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:03:47 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h5lhd$6g1@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 10:58:37 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17181 JMitc1014 wrote: > Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, >is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if >so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? Yes it would be unethical, but I don't know of any commercial queen breeders that would waste their time hanging on to old queens just to get another buck or two. Each year the breeders are on a regimen where they carry out certain phases of the queen production process at certain times. When the breeders are raising thousands and thousands of queens, it is those queens that get shipped. Any "old" queens they might have I'm sure they are only hanging on to them to create stock. As such they would very likely be superior stock and use them up creating great queens. I wouldn't think any breeder would have an "old folks home" for queens that aren't sent out waiting to send them out the next year . I've heard of at least one breeder that gives any queens remaining after the fall shipments to his local beekeeper's association members free of charge. > On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the >back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just >slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got >hanging around back in the apiary? Although the international color code for marking bees is used by a lot of queen breeders, it's not used by all (being an option, not an enforcement). Many hobbyists that mark their own queens (me) just grab whatever is handy... my wife's nail polish, white-out, Tester's model paint, etc. What's important for me isn't the color as much as that it's different from what I used last time. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:34:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7h5jps$54c@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990509223536.09491.00000006@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 10:29:00 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17182 JMitc1014 wrote: > It occurred to me as I was writing that that the beetles could be shook into >the packages at the same time the bees are. > Does it follow then that if we beekeepers in the north don't want to be >infested with hive beetles we should avoid buying bees from the Southeast where >the beetles seem to be established? You answered your question... they were shook into the packages along with the bees. The beetles scurry around very fast. From what I've heard, the larva can turn a colony's honey supply into a frothing, fermented mass in as little as a day. The bees have been known to abscond from the hive at that point (and who would blame them?). Once the beetle larvae are ready to pupate, they crawl out of the hive and burrow into the soil. The beetles are a reddish color at first, turning black and are about 1/3 the length of the average worker bee. They also have very fine hairs on their backs which make them difficult to grab. You can find out more on the beetle on the web (I think I started with a link found in the APIS newletter (their web site is http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm). I believe they had the article about the package bees containing the beetle, too. After this scare, I think (and hope) we'll see more attention being paid as to what is going into those packages! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From bcreck@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Robert Reck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Residential hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:21:09 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7h5mru$sht$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.22.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926310078 29245 12.72.22.152 (10 May 1999 04:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 04:21:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17183 Last year my neighbor built me a very cool three sectioned standing birdhouse. One of the house sections was way too large for birds (about 1 foot wide by 2 feet high), and last summer a hive of bees moved in. They stayed only a couple of weeks and then moved on. Well this spring another colony moved in, and they just kept growing until they were hanging out the openings (four entry holes for the birds) and covering one side of the structure. Last week we noticed some strange activity (a few bees hanging out near the exterior lights at night), and today I heard the loudest buzzing coming from our trees. Seconds later, the swarm appeared over the trees. It took it about five minutes to make its way across the yard and over the fence. After they left I checked the birdhouse to see if any remained, and there were a few stragglers busy with the combs. My question is, how do I know if there is still a queen in there, as we would like to get to the honeycomb? And also, since we live in a residential area, is it all right to let another colony form, or should I plug up those holes in the birdhouse? I have never been bothered by the bees, and I garden right next to them each day. However, I am afraid of having neighbors get stung, and I don't know if I'm courting trouble by having a hive in a residential neighborhood (even though I didn't put the bees there). . But I am also applying to have our yard approved as a Backyard Wildlife Habitat by the NWF, and I do what I can to encourage critters to feel at home here. Any ideas? C Reck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 12:05:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990510080551.17801.00001351@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17184 > They are usually very stable and stick right on the >> combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. Im sorry, I was under the impression that everyone knew that dark colors and especially natural animal fur fabrics attracted stings like crap attracts flies. Next time try a wool sweater, black socks, the hat and put on some cologne before ya go out Talk about learning the hard way.... OUCH !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:18:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:54:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926344674 209.90.4.165 (Mon, 10 May 1999 08:57:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:57:54 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17185 Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >I wonder how big his Johnson is when he gets done letting the bees sting it. > I know you're just quipping, but my "john thomas" does swell when you first start doing the stings right there but the swelling is minimal after the first couple times. Same with any other part of the body. John From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990509010717.19534.00001391@ng-cc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:04:16 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926345287 209.90.4.165 (Mon, 10 May 1999 09:08:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:08:07 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17186 JMitc1014 wrote in message > Your just the person I need to talk to. My fiancee has MS, and we're I have numerous website addresses which you should consult with before starting. Also, you should get a book or two on the subject. The one by Amber Rose is very "all inclusive" but it may be a bit overwhelming for a beginner. The book by Pat Wagner is more basic info. I got both. > I say "considering" because she's pregnant right now so it's not a good time Yeah; she should wait. > My questions -- to start with -- are these: > 1) Since I'm now keeping bees for honey, hobby and profit, would you >recommend that I keep my medicinal hive(s) separate from my honey hives? How I don't think this is necessary. There's no difference. > 2) Do you keep one hive for therapy or several? I don't keep a hive at all, yet. We tried to get started this year but to many extra things happened to us. I get my bees from local beekeepers who are sympathetic to people using Sting therapy. Incidently, many, if not most beekeepers are aware of bee sting therapy and will help out. > 3) As I understand it you need from 15 to 30 bees a day for stinging. What >do you do to get bees in the dead of winter? Do you just pop open the hive in It is more difficult to get them in the Winter and last Winter I was not able to get any because the beekeeper who was supplying me moved away and I didn't have another ready source. Yes; you need to be careful opening up the hive in cold, but you only need to do it every 2 weeks or so and you can pick a mild day usually. Because I had to stop over the winter I'll have to start all over again from scratch, so to speak. Email me and I'll send you more info. John From mediate@islandnet.com Wed May 12 07:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WCB Hive Plans Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:53:03 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Message-ID: <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17187 A few weeks ago I saw an address posted for WCB Hive plans in this news group. I saved them, so I thought, and of course cannot find them now. Could somebody give me this address again, please. Thanks -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, Duncan, BC, V9L 6T3 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollination bees needed in Minnesota Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 13:47:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <926340079.875.84@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990510094700.05199.00000174@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17188 From: "E. Rogers" >Bees needed in soutwest Minnesota for Apple tree pollination. Please call >Stonegate apple orchard at 507-836-8373 to make arrangements for delivery. >They need up to 20 colonies but any number would be helpful. Check the listing of beekeepers who do pollination at www.pollinator.com There are a lot of Minnisota beekeepers listed. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From apimo@apimo.dk Wed May 12 07:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spreadsheet error and a fix. Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:13:29 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7h6tbh$eks$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip117.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 926349489 15004 195.249.242.117 (10 May 1999 15:18:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 15:18:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17189 Dear Sir! It was reported to me that the spreadsheet function in some places are not working! Instead the error message : Licence information for TF1 book is invalid showed up. The error is coursed by not consequent uninstalling the Bidata software before installing it again, or installing a new edition. It is a file delivered by me and placed in the windows system directory, with name vcf132.ocx that it goes on. If this file is present it will not be replaced by the installing software. This error is to fix in this way.: click this URL : http://apimo.dk/programs/vcf132.ocx and when asked to open or save it save it to the c:\windows\system directory replacing the file that is already there. This will fix the errormessage to get away and you can launch the spreadsheet function. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WCB Hive Plans plus mating nucs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:27:45 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3736ECE1.B23BAF51@worldnet.att.net> References: <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 926346384 16122 12.72.66.28 (10 May 1999 14:26:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 14:26:24 GMT To: Georg Stratemeyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17190 I've got a similar problem. Found a Scandanavian site with great plans for making mating nucs out of styrofoam, saved the file (so I thought), and now can't find it. Georg Stratemeyer wrote: > > A few weeks ago I saw an address posted for WCB Hive plans in this news > group. I saved them, so I thought, and of course cannot find them now. > Could somebody give me this address again, please. > > Thanks > -- > Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer > 4876 Marshall Road, Duncan, BC, V9L 6T3 > Telephone: 250 746 6176 > Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.242 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:32:15 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926351246 25900 209.194.78.12 (10 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17191 I'm a second year beekeeper. I recently replaced a sterile supercedure queen. Unfortunately, by the time my new queen got comfy and started laying, there was no more capped brood left in the colony. It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed larvae. Does anybody have any info on whether the older bees (which will be reasonably plentiful) will stop foraging and fill this void? (Unfortunately, I have no other hives from which I can take capped brood to substitute... which I assume would be the ideal solution) From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:18:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:20 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7h77c1$pnl$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926359745 26357 129.173.88.206 (10 May 1999 18:09:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 18:09:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17192 Dave Marple wrote: > My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due > to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet > from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are > there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? What is used for spraying the mosquitos? In many countries a bakterium is used (BTI), which suposed to kill specifically the mosquito larvaes. This shouldn't be harmfull for bees and other insects. >My back yard > also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from > the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might > use. That's a different story, and the first thing I would do is to let the farmer know that there are bee in the neighborhood. Otherwise pray that they know and obey the regulations. > Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these > guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due > to these alleged "bee marauders?" I doubt that dragonflies primariely pray on bees. If they do you wouldn't see a reduction of your hive population if these are healthy colonies. My point of view, regards Ulli From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Wed May 12 07:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:18:52 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:20:04 GMT X-Trace: 926356804.468.71 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17193 I have a couple of concerns that maybe someone could help with. I live right by the Great Salt Lake and therefore, we have a couple things in abundance...mosquitoes and dragonflies. My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet >from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? My back yard also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might use. Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due to these alleged "bee marauders?" Thanks. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:44:13 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo8-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 10 11:38:42 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17194 John A. Taylor wrote: >I recently replaced a sterile supercedure queen. Unfortunately, by the >time my new queen got comfy and started laying, there was no more capped >brood left in the colony. > >It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I >will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., >in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed >larvae. > >Does anybody have any info on whether the older bees (which will be >reasonably plentiful) will stop foraging and fill this void? > >(Unfortunately, I have no other hives from which I can take capped brood >to substitute... which I assume would be the ideal solution) I think your colony will be O.K. Even though after emerging from the cells a worker bee's first three weeks (approximately) are spent tending to "house duties" before starting to forage for nectar, pollen, water or propolis gums/resins, a colony knows what's needed. If there is a shortage of "house bees", foragers will take on the duties as needed (after all, they don't forget how to do the things that need to be done in the hive). A good example of this are the bees that over-winter. Coming out of winter, these bees are usually well beyond the normal "age" of house bees (aside >from the fact that they live longer). When the queen begins her new season's egg laying, these over-wintered workers will take on the necessary house duties to see the new brood through until they themselves can take over the duties. Hope this helps. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:36:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372548 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17195 > I have had experience of irradiation. In my early days I purchased a complete apiary in March and found that three colonies had developed AFB by September - it seemed that the scales were still hidden by feed in the spring when I inspected before buying. The three colonies were, of course, destroyed and the hives scorched (bees frames and honey burned). This left me with a dilemma because I had transferred supers between colonies and has no idea if any were contaminated. I took them all to a company called Isotron who specialise in sterilising medical supplies. I packed them in plastic bags and they were loaded in containers to go through the plant. Very quick and fairly cheap - and no sign of AFB since (15 years). >There are two other treatments for AFB: ETO chambers and irradiation. I have >used neither, ETO chambers have been banned in most states (I think Maryland >is one of two states that still allow ETO chambers). Irradiation is highly >effective in treating AFB (spores included). From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:41:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7js7$dtj$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372551 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17196 They will regress - bees are able to do this. It is not quite the same for overwintered bees. The physiological age of a bee depends not so much on its actual age as on whether or not it has been involved in raising brood - bee that has overwintered will not have had to feed brood and will therefore be physiologically still young. I suppose that is why my wife and I feel so old after raising two daughters! David Scribner wrote in message <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>... >John A. Taylor wrote: >>>>It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I >>will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., >>in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed >>larvae. >> > >A good example of this are the bees that over-winter From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:29:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372547 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17197 Varroa arrived here in the late summer of 1997 - so I am certainly no expert! However... I read a very good article in BeeBiz on work that Spanish scientists had done on thymol, placing it on a watch glass above the brood box; I had already dismissed the Frakno frame for thymol as being far too expensive. I treated by placing 1 rounded teaspoonful of thymol crystals in an old honey jar lid (saved from jars returned by customers) on the queen excluder immediately after removing the crop at the end of July. The treatment was repeated at weekly intervals for a further 3 weeks. This seemed to get me through the first varroa winter. Last year, my greatest concern was for those colonies moved to the heather at the end of July and returned during the first week of August; clearly, I could not treat them with thymol until they returned - and by then it can be rather cooler and thymol requires warmth to evaporate. At that time I heard about oxalic acid (personal communication) and investigated further. Spraying seemed to me to be far too dangerous without a serious investment in a respirator, but the drip method seemed to carry little danger once the solution is mixed. My knowledge of handling chemicals is more than adequate for this task and I prepared a solution using 60g oxalic acid dihydrate, 300g of sugar and 1 litre of water. [NB the oxalic acid crystals are dangerous to handle and it is critically important not the breathe in any dust - irreversible kidney damage can occur]. I applied the solution using a cheap kitchen baster (plastic tube with a bulb on top) which I calibrated so that I could dispense 50ml per colony (5ml dripped over each seam of bees) after the colonies returned from the heather and the crop had been removed (late September to mid October). This was repeated after one week. The advantage of using these two substances together is: They are both natural and are found in honey normally. The thymol seems to both kill and confuse the mites so that breeding is inhibited - it penetrates the cells and kills mites that are sealed in them. The oxalic acid gives a quick knock down of mites on the bees - but does not penetrate the cells; it should be used only in the autumn when there is little brood when it will be most effective and there is no possibility of contaminating the crop - an excellent final clean up before winter. Initial results show hundreds of mites knocked down in the autumn, good colony survival through the winter and virtually no mites found so far this spring. Recently I have read about mineral oil (try www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html) and will certainly be trying it this year. Cost comparisons are interesting - initially it looked as though we would have no alternative to Bayvarol at approx £5 per treatment, then we considered formic acid - about 60p, then thymol - 32p, then oxalic acid 3p! I doubt if mineral oil will be any cheaper but it does look very beekeeper friendly. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >Peter, would you like to make a recommendation for natural substances that can >be used to fight varroa? I'd rather not be using fluvalinate either, but I'm >having trouble finding practical how-to information on alternative therapies. > I understand food-grade mineral oil can be used. But where in the hive? When >do you apply it and how much? What time of year? >JM From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV rays Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:55:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7kr6$er5$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37374B6A.6B5F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926373542 15205 62.136.12.223 (10 May 1999 21:59:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:59:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17198 Tip of the day! Why tie comb into frames - it is an awaful job and the combs are never worth having. Try this: Simply set up a brood box with empty drawn comb, put a queen excluder on top and put an empty brood box on that. Shake the bees down in front of the hive so that the queen goes into the bottom box and starts laying in the empty comb; pile the wild comb in the empty box on top of the excluder so that the combs touch as little as possible (a few twigs can be useful here and you can add another excluder and empty brood box if necessary). The queen will lay up the bottom box and after three weeks the brood in the wild comb will have emerged and you can remove it; if it still contains honey, add supers above the bottom box and place the box containing the wild comb over the crown board (inner cover) - the bees will take down the honey when it suits them! Very quick and easy, less mess and very little loss of bees or brood. >On last Sat I also removed bees from a wall, carried the comb home 25 >miles, tied it into frames and put the bees on it. Everything is fine >today From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed May 12 07:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) FEED THE BEES ! Date: Mon, 10 May 99 22:34:11 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 84 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.139 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:34:09 GMT X-Trace: 926379249.453.36 KRFRRPH9I988BCE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17199 Hi, Colony still not numerous, but bees large, and active . TWO brood boxes(deep supers) of DRAWN COMB ! Added a third brood box, today . Traffic is a third what it was this morning before I started, but they're still active . Hopefully, they're drawing the new comb . ORIGINALLY : I put a pie pan of rather thick "pollen replacer" in the empty top super . That was not good thinking . There were four, or five, drowned in it . On the other hand, I much suspect that it is entirely responsible for the new prosperity in my hive . The landing board feeders(2), just dripped their feed onto the ground . The earth below each feeder is soaked in syrup, and I doubt that any large fraction of it was used by the bees . I'm going to replace the empty, top, smaller, super with one of the eleven inch boxes, and put the feeders inside the hive . Try that . Zipped up the suit today . Much less stressful . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/8/99 5:51PM, in message <3734DC1B.DD9ACFE2@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: In one sense, feeding heavily could mean feeding as much as the bees will take, and feeding lightly would mean something less. Another factor to consider along with the amount is the rate. With your particular device, how many bees can feed at one time? How many holes are punched, and how big are they? What mesh size have you, and how much mesh? I use division boards along with 1 quart Mason jars with holes punched in the lids. In a few hives, I have several jars grouped on the topbars. In those hives, each and every jar seems popular. Most of the hives are 1-2 month old packages, and there is still occasional snow to contend with. They are using 1 gallon of syrup per 1 to 4 days. dewitt wrote: > > >feed HEAVILY. > > Please define above? 1 gallon, 2 gallon, one quart??? > > a gallon every day? > > Put in a gallon and replace when empty? Check every day, week. month? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 00:22:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17200 Thank you, but I'm not sure what "thymol is, or what type of store I would find it in. What other practical uses does it have? jm From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tragedy in Falmouth, Maine Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <2PJZ2.700$AZ2.860@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:17:05 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926378302 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:22 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17201 Yesterday a truck loaded with 400 colonies headed fo the blueberrie fields of eastern Maine overturns on a turnpike ramp. The full story can be seen at: http://www.portland.com/news/story1.shtml Stan Brown and Tony Jadczak came in to help, but the situation was hopeless. From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 23:58:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h5lhd$6g1@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990510195854.07447.00000282@ng18.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17202 Thanks. That helps explain things a little, but when I go down to a bee supply store near where I live and I see queen cages with yellow-marked queens on the counter waiting to be picked up by another customer, I only have what I know to be generally accepted practice and what I see to go on. But I get from what's being said here that it is uncommon for a breeder to keep queens over because it just ain't practical. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Wed May 12 07:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees hold a grudge? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:17:21 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7h812v$r5h$1@antiochus.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-129.s129.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 11 May 1999 01:27:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17203 I took apart my hive to look for a lost aspitan strip, remove queen cups, etc. I also captured a swarm and put it into a new hive. The little buggers would sting anything that moved for hours afterwards. Why did they stay mad so long and how long can bees hold a grudge. Regards, Marc Andelman From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed May 12 07:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:47:44 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <37378C3F.7B3884E9@valley.net> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-126.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17204 JPA555 wrote: > I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 > sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing > them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting > fumidil also in the syrup? greetings, as others have pointed out the generally recommended ratios are 1:1 in the spring and 2:1 [sugar to water] by weight in the fall, with the more dilute mixture simulating a spring nectar flow and the thicker solution requiring less processing in the fall. however, fwiw [for what it's worth] i've been using the same mixture of approximately 2:1 sugar to water for all feedings and it has worked very well [this is my third season keeping bees]. the syrup might be a little thicker than nectar in the spring, but i figure the bees just dilute it down with water as needed. this is just a guess, but i think that it takes up less space in the hive, which leaves more room for egg laying [no need to fill lots of cells and evaporate off the liquid]. my colonies take it just fine, and i get more food [sugar] to them per unit volume of feed than with a 1:1 mixture. based on the huge brood build up i've got going this year [queen laying and capped brood in all three deeps], it looks to be an effective spring egg-laying stimulant, as well. to mix it up, i just add one 5 lb. bag of domino sugar to an empty [and clean] one gallon plastic milk jug, fill almost to the top with hot water from the tap, mix well and server with a light cream sauce and a lovely parsley garnish. well, maybe not a garnish. the math: water weighs 8.33 lbs. per gallon. if you use a gallon container containing 5 lbs. of dry sugar it will only take about 1/3 gallon of water to fill the container. [i played around with measuring cups one day to determine this empirically.] 8.33 x 1/3 = 2.78 lbs. water. 5/2.78 = 1.80 ratio. since i fill the container a shade light in volume, the ratio is very close to 2:1. mixing: if your tap provides very hot water, as does mine, then you won't need to provide any additional heating. just mix by inversion a few times, let it sit for a couple of minutes, and then mix again. that should put it into solution. once dissolved the sugar will stay in solution at room temperature. obviously, this is not a suitable method for anyone with more than a handful of hives. i have 2 hives, each with a half gallon top feeder. so, one gallon works out great for me. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jajwuth@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beehive material Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 20:43:18 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990510164318.05084.00001017@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17205 Can beehives only be made out of wood? Will the bees only accept wood hives? Could the hive bodies be made from other material? What other material have beekeepers used? I'm primarily thinking of a top bar hive or variation. Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:19:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beehive material Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:04:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990510164318.05084.00001017@ngol03.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 10 May 1999 21:05:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 10 14:15:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust32.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373749CE.60B2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17206 Jajwuth wrote: > > Can beehives only be made out of wood? > Will the bees only accept wood hives? > > Could the hive bodies be made from other material? > What other material have beekeepers used? > > I'm primarily thinking of a top bar hive or variation. > > Al Well, I've seen honeybees living and thriving in cement block walls and metal 5 gal buckets. Folks have been known to use plastic. Experiment. Just make sure to check the regulations to insure ifyou must have removable frames. Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UV rays Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:11:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 10 May 1999 21:12:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 10 14:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust32.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37374B6A.6B5F@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17207 I am really interested in UV rays and the discussion that went on. I had a hive open in the bright sunlight for two hours last Sat for a demonstration. I handled all the frames with eggs, larva and sealed brood. After the previous discussion on UV rays, I opened the hive today and found no ill effects. Everything is expanding and nothing was dead. On last Sat I also removed bees from a wall, carried the comb home 25 miles, tied it into frames and put the bees on it. Everything is fine today. Would like to here more. BTW> I did a 24 hour varroa mite check on the bees from the wall and found only one mite. Will not treat them until fall and will do a check to see how many they have. Don From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:38:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7h7v8n$sje$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p47.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17208 "Dave Marple" wrote: >I have a couple of concerns that maybe someone could help with. I live >right by the Great Salt Lake and therefore, we have a couple things in >abundance...mosquitoes and dragonflies. >My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due >to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet >from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are >there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? My back yard >also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from >the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might >use. Stop the truck and ask them. They probably would like to know if there are bees around. They won't mind your concern. >Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these >guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due to >these alleged "bee marauders?" They eat a few but won't harm anything. They can only eat so many and hell the foragers are about to go anyway. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:22:35 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3735A83A.67DC2FD6@worldnet.att.net> References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926263232 26115 12.72.2.24 (9 May 1999 15:20:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 15:20:32 GMT To: Jim Roland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17209 Bees with a sense of fashion, oh boy! Two honeybees were out for a flight one afternoon. As they passed over the heads of a group of people, one of the bees took a yarmulke out of its pocket and put it on its head. "Why did you do that?", asked the other bee. "I didn't want them to think I was a wasp.", said the first. Jim Roland wrote: > > I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and > kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the > girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a > black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it > yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a > hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right > on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock > and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke > when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the > combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whatis Amoeba? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:52:24 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7h2m9j$12a$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <37333293.42AE2D36@globetrotter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926211187 1098 129.173.88.206 (9 May 1999 00:53:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 00:53:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17210 Amoebas (or Amoebae?) are a single cell lifeforms or protozoa. They move around by changing their body shape and not by moving with cilia of flagellae like other Protozoa do it. Some Amoebae species conduct serious deseases in human (dysentery). You should find information about them in biology textbooks. Cheers Ulli pascal fournier wrote: > > I read in one of the posting the word "amoeba" > was described to be kind of Nosema. > I' m unable to find it in all my books. > Does someone have information? > > pascal From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734DF62.44ECD357@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee boxes & supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:05:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.187.58 X-Trace: news4.mia 926211789 216.76.187.58 (Sat, 08 May 1999 21:03:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:03:09 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17211 Does anyone know of a company that manufactures the pieces to make the bee boxes. I want to go into the business of selling bee boxes and supplies and don't know where to start. This area has no real outlet for supplies locally. If anyone could help, I would be appreciative. Margaret From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:00:13 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-33.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926269457 22161 62.136.45.33 (9 May 1999 17:04:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 17:04:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17212 My advice would be not to medicate. Bees have survived for millions of years without medication and natural selection ensured that disease stayed at acceptable levels. Now there are beekeepers pumping every possible type of medication into their hives to ensure that poor quality stock survives. The only exception that I would make is for varroa where we have little choice at present because this is not a natural disease; however, even there we can use natural substances for treatment rather than contaminating our hives with substances like fluvalinate. David Scribner wrote in message <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>... >JPA555 wrote in message: I am >putting >>fumidil also in the syrup? > >The syrup you're feeding them won't hurt them, and by including Fumidil-B in >the syrup you are medicating them (a good thing) to prevent Nosema, a >desease that can cause dysentery. From tceisele@mtu.edu Wed May 12 07:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: post-office woes Date: 11 May 1999 12:17:31 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17213 This is just peachy. I placed, paid for, and confirmed my package bee order way back in January, got all my equipment together and painted, got my bee feed together, had a nice site prepared, and the bees were supposed to arrive early last week (I'm in northern Michigan, so I had to wait until then for it to be warm enough). I called the post office to let them know that bees were coming, and gave them my phone number to call as soon as they arrived. I waited for the bees. And waited. And waited. And got concerned, and called the supplier, who assured me that the bees were sent on schedule. And called the post office, who said that they couldn't trace them. And called the supplier again, who told me that time (and feed) had almost certainly run out for my bees (a week had gone by since the shipping date at this point). They then told me that their shipping season was over (they are in Texas, and it is apparently too hot to reliably ship package bees anymore), and are sending me a refund. So, here I am, after looking forward to getting started all winter, with no bees. Apiaries in Texas won't ship because it's too hot, the one I called in California won't ship because it's too far, and I'm leery of buying bees from the southeast because I have no idea who may or may not have hive beetles (and while I'm sure that sooner or later, *somebody* is going to import hive beetles into northern Michigan, I'd really rather it wasn't *me*). I've been asking around with the local beekeepers (unfortunately, there aren't very many) looking for nucs, and the only one within 100 miles who can make some up for me can't have them ready until the middle of June. In any case, another beekeeper said she had ordered package bees in the middle of May last year, and 2/3 of them were dead (apparently from heat stress) by the time they arrived, so even if I could find packages at this point, they probably wouldn't work out. So, this is just *great*. Gahh. Assuming that June isn't too late to get a nuc established, I guess that's the best way to go at this point, unless there is some important point I'm missing. So, all my careful preparations were thoroughly screwed up because somebody, somewhere in the U. S. postal service, was a blithering incompetent. The folks at the bee supplier in Texas said that they've been having an unusual amount of trouble with the postal service this year, so I'm apparently not an isolated case. Anybody else been having troubles with the post office? If so, maybe we need to start complaining to the Postmaster General. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: post-office woes Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:23:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926446769 209.69.69.132 (Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:29 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17214 The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! Ellen Anglin From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:06:51 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7h9v7r$pm5@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 14:08:44 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bTCs1k-W>VS7gf (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17215 Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) Any Ideas? Cliff From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:49:37 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7ha56m$k5m$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926455830 20662 129.173.88.206 (11 May 1999 20:50:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 20:50:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17216 As somebody who is more familiar with the metric system I estimate the size of your bugs is more than 10 mm. The small hive beetle grows to ~6mm. The space between lid and inner cover is also not exactly in the hive. In this bee free part I found numberous species of insects, spiders and other buggers, even once a small ant colonie. It's a perfect place for them to hide, warm, dry and dark, and some of them will take care for wax moths etc. Also inside the hive a number of species coexist with bees (not only was moths, Varroa mites, bee lice , and hive beetle)., especially on the bottom board I found a lot other arthropod species. dewitt wrote: > > Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the > Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like > insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee > what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in > the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone > through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > > I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't > heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) > > Any Ideas? > > Cliff From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 20:56:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511165637.05083.00001236@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17217 In article , "dewitt" writes: > >Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the >Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like >insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee >what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in >the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone >through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > The American Cockroach is often in hives, I find them just under the lid. It still startles me when they fly out, as often they do. German cockroaches, the 1/2 to 3/4 (max) lite brown I have never seen in hives. Dont worry about them, they wont do any damage. From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:56:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ha6kd$oi0$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17218 "Anglin" wrote: >The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! >Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by >priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I >am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! >Ellen Anglin Any bee supplier worth his salt won't ship past Wednesday to keep them out of the weekend mail. York knows better. If you order any quanity most queen breeders will usually ship express mail if you give them an extra $10. It's well worth the little extra cost. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.217 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:05:27 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37389B97.E5E0A7A3@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926458062 88518 209.194.78.12 (11 May 1999 21:27:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:27:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17219 Don't know what your bug is, but it could be anything. Last summer I opened a hive and found a yellow jacket nest (complete with yellow jackets) attached to the inside of the telescoping cover. I get coakroach type critters all the time. Guess I need to put up a "bees only" sign! Suggest you find a photo of hive beetles in ABJ or another source to see what you've got. Course, if you've got hive beetles, you should be able to tell by the dead hive :) dewitt wrote: > Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the > Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like > insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee > what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in > the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone > through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > > I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't > heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) > > Any Ideas? > > Cliff From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 22:20:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ha6kd$oi0$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990511182024.19856.00001968@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17220 I ordered my bees from Koehnen & Sons. They came via UPS and there were very few dead bees in the bottom of the cages (less than 2 dozen). (the UPS driver brought them to my door, rung the bell, and ran without waiting for a signature. I'm sure it was his first delivery of the morning!) On the other hand, my colleague at work ordered his bees from York and somebody at the post office tipped all the packages on their sides, drenching the bees with syrup, mostly killing one package and badly weakening the other. A nearby bee supplier had a number of packages arrive in the same York shipment in similar condition. I found out that Koehnen ships with "dry" food (It actually looks gooey, but has the consistency to stay in the can) to avoid exactly that type of boo-boo. York replaced the destroyed package free of charge, but made my colleague pay the shipping bill for the replacement. jm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:04:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ha67l$3in$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926456885 3671 62.136.16.225 (11 May 1999 21:08:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:08:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17221 Thymol is the crystallised oil of thyme - now manufactured rather than obtained from thyme plants. It is a white crystalline substance with a very pungent aroma of thyme. It is used commercially as a food flavouring, preservative and antiseptic used for example in mouthwash. Obtainable through chemists or in bulk from specialist suppliers. I can give contacts in the UK JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com>... >Thank you, but I'm not sure what "thymol is, or what type of store I would find >it in. What other practical uses does it have? >jm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:06:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ha67m$3in$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926456886 3671 62.136.16.225 (11 May 1999 21:08:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:08:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17222 Try a search engine? Anglin wrote in message ... >How do you find a company that will do this type of thing?? > >Ellen > >Peter Edwards wrote in >message news:7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... >> > I have had experience of irradiation. In my early days ..... > > From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:57:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7ha6nb$oi0$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17223 "dewitt" wrote: >Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the >Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like >insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee >what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in >the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone >through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. >I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't >heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) >Any Ideas? >Cliff Go into your hives in the winter. The cockroaches will cluster with the bees! The bees don't seem to mind. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From tomapis@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Regressing foragers Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:05:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990511190515.19147.00002000@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17224 There is an excellent article in the American Bee Journal this month on this subject...how do bees know when there is a food shortage..in that article it explains what happens with a hive under stress...foragers can regenerate the glands for producing royal jelly...they can adapt to stress up to a certain point..Its probably a good idea to have a nuc colony always on hand in case you have a bad queen either by the bees themselves or even from commerical queen producers..it happens let me tell you...good luck Tom From tomapis@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives-why would they work Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:13:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990511191331.19147.00002006@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17225 Two queen colonies are extremely productive...if you live in an area where honey flows are consistent and long like clover or alfalfa for example..a two queen colony will double the amount of honey brought in because you have doubled your work force...more bees more honey..not hard to do but can be labor intensive to set up..The Russians have used this system for generations for sunflower honey. There hives are huge and very productive... From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:55:58 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511195558.10854.00001305@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17226 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:55:46 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511195546.10854.00001304@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17227 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:13 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7haget$t5i@library2.airnews.net> References: <7ha6nb$oi0$3@news1.Radix.Net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 19:02:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !d(^n1k-W3[*1NG (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17228 >>I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't >>heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) >Go into your hives in the winter. The cockroaches will >cluster with the bees! The bees don't seem to mind. Went back and grabbed one of the "bugs" and took it to an entomologist at the Zoo ( I was going there for another reason anyway) and he confirmed that my "cockroach" type bug was a cockroach!! Also my version of the "Dean" of Dallas Beekeepers happened to be in his honey house when I drove by and he explained that while it is not mentioned in any of the 14 books I have read so far and is not listed in the index of the four on my shelf that I haven't gotten to yet, other insects will share hives with bees. So I can just chalk this up to a lesson in newbee knowledge! Cliff From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ABJ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:01:13 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5BA9AE9A7222B7BC.1D6883612E887856.94B7DAD8F40D4222@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7hagfr$f38@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 19:03:08 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^(-A1k-Y/r"a8T (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17229 Did anyone else get an ABJ like mine I have one third of the magazine three times!! From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 00:21:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511202121.13702.00000940@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17230 In article , "dewitt" writes: >in any of the 14 books I have read >so far and is not listed in the index of the four on my shelf tha