Article 10151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of marginal honey/posts Date: 30 Oct 1997 05:03:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6394ff$7u2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34574596.2781@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.158 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10151 Thanks all for info on wet honey. Would someone please tell me why my post get chopped up. How many char. before word wrap etc? Pete Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > > A friend of mine harvested some last minute honey, that was open celled. > > The > > moisture content is about 19%. He is worried about it fermenting, and > > wants to > > know if he used it to make Creamed Honey would it be more or less likely to > > ferment? Also, do you have some other "save" tactics? > > > > Pete Article 10152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 30 Oct 1997 05:21:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.158 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10152 Kathy, Do you paint the inside? From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both sides, to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees would like this. Pete Kathy Hough wrote in article <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto our > single Article 10153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:34:32 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 61 Message-ID: <34581C68.16C9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10153 John Caldeira wrote: > > On the lighter side: > > YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... > > There are at least two yellow dots on the windshield of your vehicle. > > You can't drive down a road without evaluating the roadside flowers > for honey-producing potential. > > You have ready answers to questions about Africanized bees and the > value to honey in preventing allergies. > > You check out all the honey labels and prices at the supermarket. > > You don't think twice about going through the supermarket checkout > line with a load of sugar and vegetable fat. > > You've estimated just how much you spent to control mites. > > You pick up matches at restaurants, even though you don't smoke. > > Your friends and neighbors think you are the answer to every swarm > problem. > > You are keenly aware of the first and last freezes of each winter. > > There is a bucket of something in your garage that can only be good > for smoker fuel. > > You know the names and bloom periods of more local flowers than the > state horticulturist. > > You can often guess which frame the queen is on. > > You can usually tell whether a hive has a problem the moment you > remove the cover. > > You welcome a rainy weekend if it will stimulate nectar production. > > You don't mind driving home with a few honey bees inside your vehicle. > > ======================= > > So, what else? What are the other signs that you are a beekeeper? > > Cheers, > John > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ You actually kind of miss it when you don't get stung. Your wife starts to buy any item that has a honeybee on it. You go out to check on your ees before greeting your family in the morning. Article 10154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:28:53 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "Pete A. Wolcott" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10154 Peter, No we don't paint the insides. We were told when we first started keeping bees that painting the inside of the box was something the bees hated and that they would abscond from the boxes. Though I suspect this is one of those beekeeping folklore things that some old coot decided was *probable* and he represented as fact. I'd be curious to know if anyone has *really* painted hive boxes inside and out, and how their bees *really* reacted. We're not likely to try because we've not had any difficulties with excessive moisture, and because I believe in doing my part for the energy crisis, by conserving mine :-). Kathy Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > Kathy, > Do you paint the inside? > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > sides, > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees > would > like this. > Pete > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto > our > > single Article 10155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:15:56 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 49 Message-ID: <63aild$k3v@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10155 Kathy Hough wrote: > > Peter, > No we don't paint the insides. We were told when we first started > keeping bees that painting the inside of the box was something the bees > hated and that they would abscond from the boxes. Though I suspect this > is one of those beekeeping folklore things that some old coot decided > was *probable* and he represented as fact. I'd be curious to know if > anyone has *really* painted hive boxes inside and out, and how their > bees *really* reacted. > > We're not likely to try because we've not had any difficulties with > excessive moisture, and because I believe in doing my part for the > energy crisis, by conserving mine :-). > > Kathy > > Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > Kathy, > > Do you paint the inside? > > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > > > sides, > > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees > > would > > like this. > > Pete > > > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto > > our > > > single About 20 years ago when I first got interested in bees I built my own hives and painted them inside and out with latex paint and let it air for a couple of weeks while waiting to catch a swarm. My ignorance was due to my inclination to always read the owners manual as a last resort. IOW, I didn't know what I was doing. Finally the day came when I captured my first swarm and hived them. Sure enough, the bees absconded. Not only once, but with each subsequent swarm I hived in these boxes. After I discovered my error and built some more boxes with no paint inside I had no further problems. I believe there is more of a basis than folklore for not painting the inside of boxes. Article 10156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!clear.net.nz!d1-u48.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for radial extractor? Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:46:17 +1300 Organization: infrequently Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u48.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10156 Anyone have plans for a small radial extractor? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 10157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:38:31 -0800 Organization: Low & Blue Lines: 47 Message-ID: <345960C7.3E5C@open.ac.uk> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <62uja1$l09@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10157 > K Cormier wrote in article > <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca>... > > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > > it. (lit: pro=before, polis=city) It comes in all shades, from whiteish via grey, yellow, brown to reddish. If you hold some on your tongue for a while, you may experience a numbing sensation. It is a natural antiseptic. I think it is responsible for a large part of the smell in a hive. In remedies, it is dissolved in something, though heaven knows what - maybe hydroflouric acid, or napalm, as it seems unreasonably resistant to most solvents. Web search on "propolis" - ? The bees use it to block up holes and smooth things over. It is incidentally sticky, but goes hard and brittle when cold. One of my colonies closed off much of the entrance of a National with a large and irregular curtain of the stuff before the Winter. Often found in quantity on frame spacers, may cause crown board to stick on. Scraping of hive parts will give you some propolis, or you can buy a special plastic grid with oblong intentations. The bees hate this, so fill the holes with propolis, which you can get out by freezing and then flexing the grid in a bag - the propolis pops out. Pure, you can sell it. I sometimes use scrapings to fill holes in wooden frames, but the bees would do this anyway. I don't know whether they appreciate the help. It is *absolute murder* to get out of clothes. *Do not* go about your bee business in any decent suit, or anything you don't mind becoming stained beyond furthur (normal social) use. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 10158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.80.84.4!mv!cc From: cc@nocrap.broadwing.com (CC) Subject: Re: Range of honey bees? X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Organization: Broadwing Communications Message-ID: References: <34566CD9.2604@serv.net> <34568FBB.7EFB70D6@valley.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mnh-1-03.mv.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:32:11 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10158 In article <34568FBB.7EFB70D6@valley.net>, bill greenrose wrote: > greater minds than mine will probably give you more definitive answers. > > bill You mean the bees, right? ;) -- Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com Broadwing Communications Inc. "helping your ideas take flight" Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs http://www.broadwing.com 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 10159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 31 Oct 1997 09:28:36 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <63b1mk$g07$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> <63aild$k3v@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10159 George Styer writes: >About 20 years ago when I first got interested in bees I built my own >hives and painted them inside and out with latex paint and let it air >for a couple of weeks while waiting to catch a swarm. My ignorance was >due to my inclination to always read the owners manual as a last resort. >IOW, I didn't know what I was doing. >Finally the day came when I captured my first swarm and hived them. Sure >enough, the bees absconded. Not only once, but with each subsequent >swarm I hived in these boxes. After I discovered my error and built some >more boxes with no paint inside I had no further problems. >I believe there is more of a basis than folklore for not painting the >inside of boxes. ------------------------------------ Here in Australia it seems to be a general practice to paint the inside of the hive. If it is left to dry then we have no problems with the bees absconding. ...or at least I dont! I have used a wide range of paint types without problems. Non water based paints will take a bit of time to stop smelling. On another note, with new swarms, I use an empty box on the bottom with a box of frames above. This lets the bees hang in a cluster a bit longer. It seems if you hive a swarm too quickly into a box of frames, they can get upset and maybe abscond. Using the empty box below the frames seems to stop this. If the swarm has been clustered elsewhere for awhile then I doubt this is necessary. But if you catch and hive them as the first land as a swarm then you may have problems. David Article 10160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pesticides Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:44:39 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 75 Message-ID: <34590DD7.C45FC8C8@ne.mediaone.net> References: <01bce55c$00159e60$800bd8cc@default> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "J. Wes Lee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10160 --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J. Wes Lee, If what you need are tables and charts of *specific* toxicity of specific pesticides to honeybees, I can't help you (but would love to know what you find, as this continues to be of interest to me). Larry Connor?? Pollinator?? If what you are looking for is general info: which pesticides are recommended (to minimize bee kills) for use on which pest on which crop; how to apply the pesticides with minimal risk to bees; tables of many commonly used pesticides broken into general toxicity groups (eg. most toxic, very toxic, less toxic, & least toxic), a book I've found helpful and would recommend is Pest Control Safe For Bees by Margaret Adey, Penelope Walker, & Peter T. Walker; published by IBRA in 1986. I've also made good use of a book called Complete Guide to Pest Control-- With And Without Chemicals, 2nd edition by George W. Ware, published by Thomson Publications, Fresno, CA. This book helps fill in the temperate climate crop/pest specific pesticide recommendations as the other book was written for the tropics and subtropics. Hope this helps, Kathy J. Wes Lee wrote: > I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey > bees. > Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many) > insecticides. I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J. Wes Lee,
If what you need are tables and charts of *specific* toxicity of specific pesticides to honeybees, I can't help you (but would love to know what you find, as this continues to be of interest to me). Larry Connor??   Pollinator??

If what you are looking for is general info: which pesticides are recommended (to minimize bee kills) for use on which pest on which crop;  how to apply the pesticides with minimal risk to bees; tables of  many commonly used pesticides broken into general toxicity groups (eg. most toxic, very toxic, less toxic, & least toxic),  a book I've found helpful and would recommend is  Pest Control Safe For Bees by Margaret Adey, Penelope Walker, & Peter T. Walker; published by IBRA in 1986.

I've also made good use of a book called Complete Guide to Pest Control-- With And Without Chemicals, 2nd edition by George W. Ware, published by Thomson Publications, Fresno, CA.  This book helps fill in the temperate climate crop/pest specific pesticide recommendations as the other book was written for the tropics and subtropics.

Hope this helps,
Kathy

J. Wes Lee wrote:

I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey bees.
Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many)
insecticides.  I would appreciate any assistance you can provide.
   --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A-- Article 10161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.97.151.10!cezanne.intur.net!not-for-mail From: "J. Wes Lee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pesticides Date: 30 Oct 1997 17:48:53 GMT Organization: InturNet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bce55c$00159e60$800bd8cc@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-128.starcomm.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10161 I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey bees. Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many) insecticides. I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. Article 10162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting/treating hives Date: 30 Oct 1997 16:51:35 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bce554$14e81960$f4d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin244.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10162 Instead of painting boxes has anyone tried treating new boxes by dipping them in a pariffin/wood rosin mixture? What were your results?? Article 10178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with propolis Date: 2 Nov 1997 02:45:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bce72d$5818dbe0$b415410c@200137229worldnet.att.net> References: <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.180 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10178 John, From "The hive and the Honey Bee". "Good solvents for propolis include acetone, benzene and 2% solution of sodium hydroxide, but these are caustic, and should not come in contact with the skin. Ethyl alcohol, although somewhat less effective than other solvents, is not as hazardous." Regular rubbing alcohol also works and I'm sure there must be others. Pete John Brackman wrote in article <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com>... > Does anyone know a solvent that will remove propolis from knives and > pyrex? Wonder how Hippocates made his medicines. > Thanks, > John > Article 10179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Philip Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:06:28 -0500 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.121.153 Message-ID: <345c7710.0@news1.ibm.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.121.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10179 Honey will not freeze just get very thick. You can store honey products in unheated areas and not worry about the product becoming harmed. The expansion of the honey may require a bit of room in the container to prevent breakage of container. PMH Owner Blossomland Supply www.blossomland.com phempel@blossomland.com Trevor Sharples wrote in message <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office>... >Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey? I >suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing >point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. > >I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed >during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow >falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the >honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not >thought of? >-- >___________________________________________________________________ > >Trevor Sharples > >Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies >Llanbadarn Fawr >Aberystwyth >Ceredigion >Wales >SY23 3AL > >Tel: 01970 621637 >Fax: 01970 611264 > >email tjs@aber.ac.uk >http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs >___________________________________________________________________ Article 10180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!chook.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Michael Saunby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:40:04 +0000 Organization: Teachmore Farm, Inwardleigh, Okehampton Message-ID: <345C4A74.41C67EA6@Chook.Demon.Co.UK> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: chook.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: chook.demon.co.uk [158.152.180.36] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10180 joe mc cool wrote: [snip] > > What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and > easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. > When one of mine rusted right through I replaced it with copper sheet from an old hot water tank. Looks great and should last longer than the hive now. > -- > joe mc cool > remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== -- Michael Saunby Teachmore Farm, Inwardleigh, Okehampton, Devon, United Kingdom. EX20 3AJ We live in a world of reduced quotations with the quotation marks removed Article 10181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with propolis Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:42:37 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <345CBB8C.B326564@calwest.net> References: <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-60.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10181 Look for "GOO GONE"......don't drink it or smoke around it, but if you want to take bee's wax and propolis off of just about anything it works. It's made or packaged by the Magic American Corporation of Cleveland, Ohio and they have/had a 800 number which is 1-800-321-6330, ask for stock number GG13 to get a 10oz bottle or find out how to get one. It's a USA product and may be a bi-product of the CITRUS industry. ttul, the OLd Drone PS.. I hope to test another product mentioned in this echo a few days back and will report on it if it looks as good as I hope it is. John Brackman wrote: > Does anyone know a solvent that will remove propolis from knives and > pyrex? Wonder how Hippocates made his medicines. > Thanks, > John Article 10182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.185.79.5!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 From: timothy@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worlds Deadliest Swarms, tue? 8pm -9pm central, fox(usa) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:00:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 6 Message-ID: <345d9fa9.2012834@snews.zippo.com> Reply-To: tim@magick.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-661.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10182 On standard broadcast i saw an add for "When animals go on rampage" that included deadliest swarms and a flick of a body with bees all over it and in its mouth. Cant find it listed for day after tomorrow. Anyone know if and when it will be aired? tim@magick.net While its necessary to educate the public, It may be a theme we beekeepers won't appreciate being aired if they do it in the usual sensational "oh wow" manner. Article 10183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!zdc-e!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 From: timothy@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foam Removal Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:19:54 GMT Organization: none Lines: 7 Message-ID: <345ea6ac.3808150@snews.zippo.com> References: <19971101200600.PAA07029@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: tim@magick.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-918.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10183 On 1 Nov 1997 20:06:34 GMT, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) wrote: >I have extracted my first honey, over 100 lbs. Have it in plastic buckets and > need to take off the foam. Any advise so I can get the foam off not honey? Having the buckets warmed helps when you just skim the surface with a spatula. You are going to get SOME honey with the foam so just plan on letting the bees clean up what you skim off. Article 10184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10184 In spite of all the reports of honeybees disappearing from so many areas agriculture production does not seemed to have suffered any but normal cyclic declines in yields. APPLES are one crop that is somewhat dependent on bees of one kind or another for good production. Honeybees are considered an manageable asset to the growing of apples and growers spend millions of dollars each year in having beekeepers bring in their bees during the bloom time. Apples are one of the easiest crops to pollinate and research has demonstrated that the job can be done in a matter of hours if the bloom is receptive and the bees can fly. It is interesting to note that in some apple growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. The latest data just released on Apple Yields from the many different areas of the US is shown below. STATE 1995 1996 1997 ----Tons----- US TOTALS 5,292,500 5,548,200 6,659,350 Washington 2,425,000 2,750,000 2,600,000 Michigan 610,000 362,500 500,000 New York 555,000 515,000 560,000 California 425,000 450,000 450,000 Idaho 40,000 90,000 65,000 North Carolina 135,000 100,000 80,000 Ohio 60,000 45,000 37,500 Oregon 70,000 69,500 77,500 Pennsylvania 250,000 195,500 237,500 Virginia 200,000 137,500 125,000 West Virginia 82,500 52,500 55,000 Other States 38,300 39,200 42,350 ttul, the OLd Drone Data from USDA Economic Research Service (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; Article 10185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating Sperm Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:06:20 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3A717CE12DAF8CF6.BF7E2CCD6CA3CE0B.4EA8A1B18901031B@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <63inpp$vnf@library.airnews.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Nov 2 14:28:41 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal34-27.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10185 lou@supo.net.hk wrote: >for more detailed information on how you can partake in the sperm donor program... Buckfast drones only please..... Article 10186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating Sperm Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:51:38 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <345CF5EA.91EFB87E@calwest.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> <3A717CE12DAF8CF6.BF7E2CCD6CA3CE0B.4EA8A1B18901031B@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-149.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10186 I think you have to be able to produce at least a gallon per week to come out ahead on this deal. BusyKnight wrote: > lou@supo.net.hk wrote: > >for more detailed information on how you can partake in the sperm donor program... > > Buckfast drones only please..... Article 10188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!info.usuhs.mil!cs.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: "blake Bond" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:28:00 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 10 Message-ID: <637s7s$gb7$1@news.umbc.edu> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-015.dialup.umbc.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10188 I've had success with an epoxy enamel spraypaint made by Krylon (in several fun colors!). I'd just as soon rip off the steel and put on a decent sheet of roofing copper, though. joe mc cool wrote in message <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>... >What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and >easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. Article 10189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Philip Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:06:28 -0500 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.121.153 Message-ID: <345c77c1.0@news1.ibm.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.121.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10189 Honey will not freeze just get very thick. You can store honey products in unheated areas and not worry about the product becoming harmed. The expansion of the honey may require a bit of room in the container to prevent breakage of container. PMH Owner Blossomland Supply www.blossomland.com phempel@blossomland.com Trevor Sharples wrote in message <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office>... >Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey? I >suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing >point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. > >I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed >during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow >falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the >honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not >thought of? >-- >___________________________________________________________________ > >Trevor Sharples > >Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies >Llanbadarn Fawr >Aberystwyth >Ceredigion >Wales >SY23 3AL > >Tel: 01970 621637 >Fax: 01970 611264 > >email tjs@aber.ac.uk >http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs >___________________________________________________________________ Article 10190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEAR'S AND BEES Date: 3 Nov 1997 01:54:08 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19971103015401.UAA27755@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10190 Try putting a second fence around the first one. Also you can try putting a strip of bacon on the fence with the idea that the bear will go to the bacon and get shocked, therefore hopefully leaving the fence and bees alone. Sometimes it still fails to stop an attack. Article 10191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!199.1.48.11.MISMATCH!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghall@nocrap.usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 02:45:23 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <345d3aa8.3901152@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.214.151 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10191 This is to test my new spam-guard. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nfoquest@aol.com (NfoQuest) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wannabee in SC Date: 3 Nov 1997 15:32:18 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971103153201.KAA15707@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10193 As the subject suggests I am interested in learning about bee keeping in SC . I am located near Charleston, so any info on local clubs or keepers would be great. Thanks ! Article 10194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 03:18:55 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: oasc4-194.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/16.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10194 I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can give you my Fax number. Thanx Steve (@ flash.net) PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed Article 10195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: 4 Nov 1997 03:29:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <63m4qf$r4m@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.154 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10195 Take a look at 10-FRAME LANGSTROTH BEE HIVE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS At http://birkey/BLB/Beekeeping/ fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet wrote in article <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net>... > I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. > It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without > aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have > plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can > give you my Fax number. > Thanx > Steve (@ flash.net) > > PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed > > Article 10196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!passport.ca!ftn.net!not-for-mail From: Jay Mowat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:37:12 -0500 Organization: Passport Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: mowatj@toronto.cbc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10196 I've been treating my hives with Apistan this fall but got the strips in a little late (October 4). By the time the strips are supposed to come out (November 15), it might be too cold to open the hives. We've already had snow in this area and November has been bitter in the past If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan won't be as effective. Any opinions? Jay Mowat Erin, Ontario Article 10197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: $1000/wk Donating Sperm Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 04:23:57 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <63osc8$sno$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10197 >how you can partake in the sperm donor program... This idiot managed to inseminate every newsgroup with his stupid spam! Let's dump beaucoup bytes into his server to show our appreciation! Article 10198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida Bee Conditions Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711042147342779@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5j2euh$4mg@library.airnews.net> <5j1fqe$5l0@chronicle.concentric.net> Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10198 http://www.ams.usda.gov/mncs/mn%5Freports/or%5Ffv193.txt OR FV193 ORLANDO FEDERAL-STATE - NOVEMBER 3, 1997 ATTENTION: LINDA VERSTRATE, YAKIMA, WASH. FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR OCTOBER 1997 Moisture levels were low the first of the month but adequate the latter part of the month. Temperatures were about normal for the month. Bees are primarily feeding on the Brazilian pepper, especially in the central and southern part of the state, along with astor, golden rod and pursley in the panhandle area of the state. Beekeepers are still trying to find a treatment that will rid the hives of the varroa mite. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good condition, but quite a few hives have been lost to the mites. Demand for Florida honey is moderate at steady prices. bac . --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 10199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!demos!kmtts!nross.kuban.ru!usenet From: "DCA" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-keeping Date: 4 Nov 1997 11:52:17 GMT Organization: Discovery Consulting Agency Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bce918$639ea700$0100a8c0@dca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dca.kuban.ru X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10199 Hi, I'm looking for people busy in bee-keeping to exchange some pieces of advice in this sphere and experience.I'm interesting in new methods. I live in Russia. My name is Victor and I'm graduating from the Bee-Keeping Academy. I'm 27 y.o. Please give me a message what other news-groups are dealing with bee-keeping and where can I get sth new about it. Victor E-mail: office@dca.kuban.ru Article 10200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Our messed up bee industry! Date: 5 Nov 1997 16:56:18 GMT Lines: 41 Message-ID: <19971105165600.LAA25773@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10200 Is it under-dosage or Varroa mite resistance? Soon it will be proclained that the Varroa mites are in the US are resistant to Apistan. The information that is going to be ignored IS; 1. by using a wire brush on the new strips from the package effiacy is increased to a level of good mite control. 2. to provide mite control in a good double story colony of honey bees in the US you are required to use 8 strips per year. HOW MANY OF YOU DO THAT at cost of over $10.00 per year????,, which is 25% of a average honey crop from a colony of bees. 3. when in Europe the Apistan package instructions require the use of 2 strips per year for up to 100% control,,,, why because a different plastic is used in manufacture very simular to the old Section 18 strips used in 1989 here. 4. I can not quote the test information that was done by the USDA ARS in Umatilla, Fl in early October 1997 that showed 2 section-18 strips 9 years old killed 2.5 X the rate of 8 new Apistan strips installed for a 48 hour period.....I can not quote because not for the lack of their data but because after having worked for the USDA for several years in the early 60's, we at the Madison USDA Lab could not and would not make any statements without good scientific DATA. 5. There is NO reliable data available at the present time to STATE that the US has fluvalinate Varroa resistant mites. More research needs to be done by professionals, but I can state that from the very start the section 3 strips in 1990 that their effiacy was not good,, in fact very poor. Now it is being treated as a resistant problem......not that it was a poor product from the start. Is it the "liability" factor that the truth will be overlooked,,,, ignored,,, misused,,,,, covered-up,,, USDA lets proceed with caution!!!! $%# @^% #$ Sincerely, David Miksa Groveland, Florida Article 10201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:33:13 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17C1CBE9DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10201 In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Jay Mowat writes: >... >If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips >won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some >say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan >won't be as effective. > >Any opinions? If it's a choice of take 'em out now or next spring, I'd opt for now. The recommended period for leaving the strips in is two full brood cycles. As this is the time of year that brood rearing is winding down in Ontario, I s'pose there isn't much brood left being reared. Leaving the strips in until spring is probably a bigger violation of label instructions than taking them out midway through the treatment. There is a third option here, which is take them out at the proper time according to label instructions. Too hard? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just do it! Aaron Morris - thinking the more beekeepers read the label the less they get it. Article 10202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEAR'S AND BEES Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 14:03:18 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17C1CC5A9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10202 In article <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> BILLY BRADSHAW writes: > >I have a problem with bears,do any body know a way >to keep them away from bee hives.I have an four >stran electric fence around them now,I don't think >that will keep hungry bear out.I am from north east Georgia. >Any ideas? I have no personal bear/bee experience, thankfully there ain't no bears in this neck of the woods. However, I can offer two pieces of advice I've picked up attending bear seminars at bee conventions. The first piece of advice is fence first, bees later. If a bear learns there's food in them thar boxes before a fence is erected, the bears will not let a fence stop them. However, if bears encounter a fence before they learn about the food in the hives, they will respect the fence and leave the bees alone. The second piece of advice is that bear hair is an insulator. Electric fences will shock a wet bear tongue or a wet bear nose, but electric fences won't shock through bear hair. Hanging something on the fence to attract the bear's tongue or nose will insure the bear gets shocked and the bees get left alone. Bacon or an open can of sardines make good bear fence ornaments. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsyes@aol.com (RSYES) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils Date: 5 Nov 1997 19:23:18 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19971105192301.OAA05928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10203 Current research is being done on essential oils and their use for varroa and trachael mites. A good site for essential oils is Http://essentialoil.com Article 10204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Worker Bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Joke Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:59:32 -0600 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3460FA53.29F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: dvisrael@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.63.89 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10204 I asked an old timer bee keeper the other day what he does if his bees get really mean. " No problem" he says "I take them to my mother-in-laws yard". Article 10205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: World's Deadliest Swarms Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:11:11 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3460FD0F.74A31D3A@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Discussion of Bee Biology X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10205 --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last night) @ 9:00 PM. If ever there was a program with the goal of scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow! Some of the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or maggots consuming a carcass. The part about african honeybees was _almost_ funny (_almost_ only because they chose to reinact an incident in which someone died, and that was sad). It was one of the few (2?) segments in which they did a reinactment of the *horrifying* swarm incident (the other was red ants, but that guy survived). It was pretty clear to me that the man who played the sting victim in the reinactment had a queen cage around his neck and many of the shots used were just bees on a surface or flying into/out of a hive (ooooh.. scary). At one point i think i saw the lights reflect on a ?glass barrier? that was maybe used to protect some of the other actors, and the way they turned up the bzzzzz sound every time they zoomed in on the "Killer Bees" was a laugh. I also got a big kick out of the titles/credentials the producers chose to give to the three men who assisted with the production. The guy with the speaking part (sorry I didn't get his name) was given the credential "Bee Expert", and the other two (also missed their names) were given the credentials of "Bee Master" and "Bee Man" respectively. Poor guys. What were they thinking? Maybe credentials like "beekeeper, X years" or "entomologist" or somesuch were too mundane for the DRAMA of this program. Perhaps these guys used aliases so no one would know who they really were? Perhaps no one that is known to the international/national beekeeping industry would do this film? I dunno, I thought the whole thing was pretty funny. The good thing about a segment like this is that it gets the general public talking about bees so we can help them understand the does and don'ts of behavior around honeybees. Don't envy you guys dealing with the panic of the masses. Kathy --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,
Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last night) @ 9:00 PM.  If ever there was a program with the goal of scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow!  Some of the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or maggots consuming a carcass.

The part about african honeybees was _almost_ funny (_almost_ only because they chose to reinact an incident in which someone died, and that was sad). It was one of the few (2?) segments in which they did a reinactment of the *horrifying* swarm incident (the other was red ants, but that guy survived).  It was pretty clear to me that the man who played the sting victim in the reinactment had a queen cage around his neck and many of the shots used were just bees on a surface or flying into/out of a hive (ooooh.. scary).  At one point i think i saw the lights reflect on a ?glass barrier? that was maybe used to protect some of the other actors, and the way they turned up the bzzzzz sound every time they zoomed in on the "Killer Bees" was a laugh.  I also got a big kick out of the titles/credentials  the producers chose to give to the three men who assisted with the production.  The guy with the speaking part (sorry I didn't get his name) was given the credential "Bee Expert", and the other two (also missed their names) were given the credentials of "Bee Master" and "Bee Man" respectively. Poor guys.  What were they thinking? Maybe credentials like "beekeeper, X years"  or "entomologist" or somesuch were too mundane for the DRAMA of this program.  Perhaps these guys used aliases so no one would know who they really were? Perhaps no one that is known to the international/national beekeeping industry would do this film?   I dunno, I thought the whole thing was pretty funny.

The good thing about a segment like this is that it gets the general public talking about bees so we can help them understand the does and don'ts of behavior around honeybees. Don't envy you guys dealing with the panic of the masses.

Kathy --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448-- Article 10206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: joe@golberdon.nospam.prestel.co.uk (Joe Hemmens) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Essential Oils Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:12:05 GMT Organization: [not set] Message-ID: <34610a6e.49887938@news.prestel.co.uk> References: <19971105192301.OAA05928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem51.c1r4.pol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10206 On 5 Nov 1997 19:23:18 GMT, rsyes@aol.com (RSYES) wrote: >Current research is being done on essential oils and their use for varroa and > trachael mites. A good site for essential oils is Http://essentialoil.com Bulk synthetics are generally MUCH cheaper than 'aromatherapy' grade essential oils. Compare the cost of 500g thymol with 500ml oil of thyme. Joe Hemmens Article 10207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: Edward Flicek Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Should I cover all the exit holes Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:22:34 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34610DCA.2EED@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: kboukg@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.133.97.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10207 I am going to wrap my hives with tar paper, should I leave all three hive body entrances open or just leave one open? I live in Minnesota, where it can get down to 30 below zero. I have three brood boxes all piled up one on top of the other, so they will have plenty of honey to live off. Thanks, Ed Article 10208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: World's Deadliest Swarms Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:05:49 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <346109DC.2F4AC120@valley.net> References: <3460FD0F.74A31D3A@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-124.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10208 Kathy Hough wrote: > Hi all, > Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last > night) @ 9:00 PM. If ever there was a program with the goal of > scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow! Some of > the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many > people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or > maggots consuming a carcass. > [snip] > Kathy greetings, since i moved to new hampshire almost 3 years ago, i have been virtually without tv. that's because this house came with one of those 'old fashioned' 8 ft satellite dishes, not a fancy digital dish or, even, a cable hook-up. i tried to get that stupid dish working for the first 2 months, but eventually gave up. by then, i had weaned myself of my addiction to tv and lost the urge to connect via satellite or cable. now, thanks to rabbit ears, i get the local nbc affiliate [which covers local high school soccer and basketball games, with HIGHLIGHTS, preferentially to the national sports scene, and which doesn't even have news coverage on weekends. thank god for npr.], and new hampshire public tv. in the beginning i missed being able to turn into a couch potato every night. now, i spend my time reading or on the computer [like now]. don't know who's in the world series or the super bowl. don't know what the 'hot' new shows of the season are. don't care. it is reports, like this, of 'classic' program quality that remind me of why i don't miss tv, anymore. thanks for the update, kathy. it's good to know i'm not missing anything. :) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: Jacob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:50:33 -0500 Organization: jhu Lines: 20 Message-ID: <346087B9.41C6@jhu.edu> References: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.34.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) CC: Steve@flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10209 fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet wrote: > > I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. > It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without > aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have > plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can > give you my Fax number. > Thanx > Steve (@ flash.net) > > PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed See the web pages at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html He has complete plans in Adobe Acrobat PFD format. They are directly printable and very clear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob Laderman, System Admin at Center for Language & Speech Processing mail: jacob@jhu.edu voice: 410-516-4787 - 1 wife, 1 boy, 1 girl, 5 sheep, 1 llama, 2 goats, 1 donkey, fowl - Article 10210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: misabby@aol.com (Misabby) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I cover all the exit holes Date: 6 Nov 1997 03:37:42 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971106033700.WAA26253@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34610DCA.2EED@sprintmail.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10210 My dad, mom and I have about 50 hives also in Minnesota. Leave the top hole open and the bees will be fine. Check them in Feb. to see if they have enough honey left. We wraped with tar paper for years but now use cardboard boxes. It is much easier!!! Cindy Article 10211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Iowa-Missouri Bee Reports Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711060831072780@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10211 http://www.ams.usda.gov/archive/day2/yyj%5F%5F%5F%5F%5F.txt U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AGRICULTURAL MARKETING SERVICE FRUIT and VEGETABLE DIVISION MARKET NEWS BRANCH UNIT 1 PRODUCE ROW, ROOM 101 ST LOUIS, MO 63102 TELEPHONE (314) 425-4520 NOVEMBER 4, 1997 FROM: Charles M. Gore - Officer-In-Charge TO: LINDA VERSTRATE - YAKIMA, WA Subject: Honey report for October, 1997 Missouri and Iowa. Precipitation was near normal except for Waterloo, IA and Des Moines, IA which were above average and Dubuqee which was below normal for October. For the year to date total 6 reporting stations reported slightly below average while 4 reported slightly above average. Harvest weather this fall was again generally excellent. Harvest of row crops in both states was ahead of average. Temperatures averaged about normal early in the month and colder than normal by month's end. A low temperature of 19 was reported on October 21st & 22nd in Des Moines. The late month cold front lowered the average October temperature to below normal. Honey harvest was generally finished. Extraction was not yet complete. Honey yields in both Missouri & Iowa were variable but generally improved over the 1996 crop. Best yields were again generally in the river bottoms due to better moisture at the main nectar flow time. Yields in Iowa were best in the South & Southwest parts of the state. Yields in Missouri were best along both the Missouri & Mississippi Rivers and below normal in the Ozark's. Outstanding yields were obtained from Clover's and other legumes. Good yields were obtained from Soybeans. Yields from Cotton ranged from poor to good depending on spray schedules for pest insects. A few colonies were weaken or lost to insect sprays. Good yields should have been obtained from fall flowers "Golden Rod & Aster' in most areas to allow the bees to build up winter storages. Bees in Iowa were not winterized, but limited damage is expected from the late October cold snap. Beekeepers were treating hives for mites and were busy extracting honey. Trading was active for bulk honey. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ Article 10212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper jokes Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:15:47 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 88 Message-ID: <34626aee.166759896@news.earthlink.net> References: <345FF813.19F1@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.207 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10212 Ladislao Guerra wrote: >I recently saw..."You know you are a beekeeper when you..." jokes. >Can you re-post them. Sure. I wrote: On the lighter side: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... There are at least two yellow dots on the windshield of your vehicle. You can't drive down a road without evaluating the roadside flowers for honey-producing potential. You have ready answers to questions about Africanized bees and the value to honey in preventing allergies. You check out all the honey labels and prices at the supermarket. You don't think twice about going through the supermarket checkout line with a load of sugar and vegetable fat. You've estimated just how much you spent to control mites. You pick up matches at restaurants, even though you don't smoke. Your friends and neighbors think you are the answer to every swarm problem. You are keenly aware of the first and last freezes of each winter. There is a bucket of something in your garage that can only be good for smoker fuel. You know the names and bloom periods of more local flowers than the state horticulturist. You can often guess which frame the queen is on. You can usually tell whether a hive has a problem the moment you remove the cover. You welcome a rainy weekend if it will stimulate nectar production. You don't mind driving home with a few honey bees inside your vehicle. ======================= And Bill Greenrose (bill.greenrose@valley.net) replied: how about: 1) when all your family and friends know what they're going to get for christmas and how much based on your conversational reports in july of the intensity of the spring flow. [too wordy] or 2) when you don't mow the lawn because the bees are working the dandelions. or 3) when you pull over and check the activity on the wildflowers just to see if they're YOUR bees. or 4) you do 3) above and can tell the difference. or 5) you saw Ulee's Gold and didn't think there were enough shots of the bees. Hope you enjoyed them. Anyone is welcome to use what I wrote for their beekeeping newsletter or whatever. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!innfeed.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!news!ppp72.altu.net.au From: Co-ordinator Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:08:38 +0800 Organization: Telstra Internet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3462A255.A43AA74E@altu.net.au> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458856D.4415@birkey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.23.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10213 Is it possible to treat hives with some other form of weather protection, such as boiled linseed oil? Barry Birkey wrote: > Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > > Kathy, > > Do you paint the inside? > > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > sides, > > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees would > > like this. > > Pete > > > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto our > > > single > > I've painted both inside and out of my hives and it hasn't effected the > bees one bit. It has kept the wood from absorbing moisture and cupping > though. > > - Barry > -- > Barry Birkey > West Chicago, Illinois USA > barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 10214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:26:04 GMT Lines: 91 Message-ID: <19971107072601.CAA26985@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10214 In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: > It is interesting to note that in some apple >growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel >that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning >necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. > This misconception is not unusual among growers, and even some extension agents. The idea arises because of poor pollination practices. To explain, let me give some background: Apples bloom in clusters of 5 blossoms. The first to open (called the "king" bloom) is the strongest blossom, and all other things being equal, will give the best fruit. This bud gives off hormones which tend to suppress the other four blossoms. "Every" effort should be bent toward getting the king bloom pollinated. When you get good king pollination, there will be a natural thinning effect from the hormonal suppression, which, if needed, can easily be helped along with spray thinning. King bloom can miss out on pollination because of cold or wet weather, or it can be damaged by frost, but a common reason is because the bees simply aren't in the orchard in time. An common shibboleth among extension folks is: "Don't bring in the bees until the bloom is already open, because they will get used to working on other flowers and will ignore the apple blossoms." Was it Abe Lincoln that said, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it? Frankly this is a lot of nonsense, UNLESS the colonies are very weak. Good, strong colonies with plenty of open brood, will work ALL nectar and pollen sources, including the apple blossoms. So the grower waits until he sees some bloom before he calls the beekeeper. The beekeeper, suddenly swamped with grower calls, cannot move instantly and the bees wind up being placed after king bloom is done. I always tell the growers, "Better a week early than a day late." Following the king bloom is a group of three blossoms, all of about equal strength. No one blossom is able to suppress the other two. When the king blossom does not get pollinated, the tendency is for all three of the next blossoms to be pollinated together. THEN you have much too heavy a crop, and you have a problem. For fresh fruit production, you want no less than eight to ten inches between apples. For process apples, you can let them be a little thicker. Because there is no natural advantage of any one over the three, spray thinning just doesn't work. If you put on too heavy a dose, all three apples drop; if you do not have enough dose, none of them will drop. So you are stuck with (expensive) hand thinning. It is not always possible to get the king bloom pollinated, but growers certainly could do a lot better, if they tried harder. Once in a while, none of these four blossoms make it, usually due to a late frost. The fifth blossom is weak, and will not make much of a crop, but if it can be pollinated, will save the trees from a lot of woody growth, and reduce the tendency toward biennial bearing. That is basically a salvage effort. Wanna' check the pollination results? Count the seeds. You'll find the best quality apples have 7-10 seeds, if you slice them crosswise and count 'em. There are five seed pockets with two possible seeds in each one. Count only brown, plump seeds, white or shrivelled ones don't count. Apples with less than 3 seeds usually go down in the June drop, those with 3-4 seeds tend to make unprofitable and starchy bag apples, those from 5-7 seeds are, of course, in between. The seed count affects the size and shape of the apple, as well as the conversion of starch to sugar (ripening). If you wait long enough, the 3 seeded, starchy apples will finally ripen, but they will often get mealy, before the sugar content is up where it should be for good taste. Pollination is dependent on good pollenizer varieties, enough healthy bees, and favorable weather conditions. A grain of compatible pollen is needed for each seed, and that doesn't usually occur with one bee visit. We want to get the bee into the blossom many times. Stop by the web site below for lots of info on pollenizers, pollinators, and pollination. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator.polpage1.html Article 10215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:26:06 GMT Lines: 51 Message-ID: <19971107072601.CAA27091@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10215 In article <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) writes: >YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... You practically stick you nose into a swarm looking to see if there are any mites on the workers. There is propolis on the steering wheels of your vehicles and on the living room carpet. Almost every bee in ads and cartoons looks like a yellow jacket. You can spot an abandoned beehive embedded in kudzu a quarter mile away. The sound of an aerial applicator ten miles away, gets your instant attention. You get stung and don't bother to scrape out the stinger. You are stung *you-know-where* and you don't whip off any clothing. You get some entertainment on a dismal day, from the pesticide inspector, when she whips off some clothing. Your six year old kid goes to school with an eye swollen shut and no one suspects child abuse. Or do they? Your wife buys fabrics, carpets, bath mats, jewelry, and a lot of things you never thought of with bee themes. Most people think you should get a "real job." The preacher preaches on Noah and the Flood, and you drift off into consideration of the bees on the Ark, missing most of the sermon. You consider yourself a professional, and get irritated when folks ask you if you are still "messing" with the bees. You are called "Bee Man" by a lot of folks who don't know your name. You work such long hours that you see 500 lb. "bunnies" hopping across the road while you are driving a load of bees to a new site. You never stop marveling at these wonderful creatures. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness & Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:36:13 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <19971107073601.CAA27477@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10216 In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca>, Jay Mowat writes: > By the time the strips are supposed to come >out (November 15), it might be too cold to open the hives. We've already >had snow in this area and November has been bitter in the past Pick the best day you can, and pull them on schedule. You won't hurt the bees. They have very little brood, and you won't need to pull brood frames anyway. I've had bees survive half the winter (in the north) with the cover off (vandals). Cold won't hurt them near as much as a hard rain. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Article 10217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Crop Protection and Animal Health sites - Latest updates Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:49:27 +0000 Organization: PJB Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 70 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22078 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10217 sci.agriculture.fruit:1253 sci.agriculture.poultry:3730 Unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry and the latest developments in the international crop protection industry is available from the homepages of: *Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal - ***Updated November 7th*** *Animal Pharm Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/aprep *Agrow World Crop Protection News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow *Agrow Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrep - ***Updated November 7th*** *AGROProjects - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agroproj Veterinary ---------- http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News provides unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper jokes Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:03:42 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3463660E.43BC@earthlink.net> References: <345FF813.19F1@earthlink.net> <34626aee.166759896@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.177.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10218 John Caldeira wrote: > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ Thanks for reposting Lalo (drlalo@earthlink.net) Article 10219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!203.29.160.2!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Base/Uniting colonies Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:50:46 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 28 Message-ID: <640d9p$f5c$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39-max16.auck.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10219 HI, I have a couple of questions. 1. I hived three early spring swarms a couple of months ago, & did not have a proper hive base (floor) for one of them. I scratched around in my shed and came up with a piece of transparent plastic the right size & shape. this is a rigid sheet, used for roofing I think, about 1/2 inch thick with an air gap between the top & bottom. I made a base from this, and thought it was great. However the bees hived over it have never seemed to thrive, and always appeared less active when compared to the other swarms hived at the same time. Last night I replaced the base with a conventional wooden one, today the colony is more active than I have seen it before, despite lousy weather. Could it be that the bees were upset by having a transparent hive floor? 2. I have had a couple of failures recently in uniting colonies using the 'foolproof' newspaper method. On both occasions one of the colonies, (assume the one in the top box) has been destroyed in short order by the other. Both times the colony placed on top had a division board feeder in it , with some sugar syrup in it. Would the presence of this food be likely to induce a hive robbing reponse from the lower colony? Any help will be appreciated Cheers Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 10220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan vs Miticu Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:19:25 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3463E84D.70DA@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.249.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10220 I read in Bonney's book "Beekeeping, a pactical guide" that you can use either Apistan or Miticur...He further state that Miticure can be used to treat for Verroa and tracheal mites. I've looked at bee catalogs and have found no mention of "Miticur"... Anyone know of this treatment? Thanks. Lalo Article 10221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:26:18 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net> References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> <17C1CBE9DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.10.225.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10221 Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> > Jay Mowat writes: > > >... > >If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips > >won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some > >say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan > >won't be as effective. > > > >Any opinions? > > If it's a choice of take 'em out now or next spring, I'd opt for now. > The recommended period for leaving the strips in is two full brood > cycles. As this is the time of year that brood rearing is winding down > in Ontario, I s'pose there isn't much brood left being reared. Leaving > the strips in until spring is probably a bigger violation of label > instructions than taking them out midway through the treatment. There is > a third option here, which is take them out at the proper time according > to label instructions. Too hard? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just > do it! > > Aaron Morris - thinking the more beekeepers read the label the less they > get it. There's a new stuff maybe old called "Miticur"..says to work on both varroa and tracheals. Any comments? Lalo Article 10222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:54:46 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3463E286.432630F9@valley.net> References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> <19971107072601.CAA26985@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10222 Pollinator wrote: > In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy > Nachbaur) writes: > > > It is interesting to note that in some apple > >growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel > >that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning > >necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to > >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. > > > > This misconception is not unusual among growers, and even some > extension agents. > > The idea arises because of poor pollination practices. To explain, let > me give some background: > > [snip] > > Stop by the web site below for lots of info on pollenizers, > pollinators, and pollination. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator.polpage1.html dave, thanks for the excellent and informative post. it was better than an article in 'bee culture.' bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Base/Uniting colonies Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:21:08 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 43 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <641j1k$fiv@library.airnews.net> References: <640d9p$f5c$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Nov 8 05:39:32 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal04-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10223 fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) wrote: Hello Frank, I see that it is becomming Spring (down there) for you! >1. It is possible the light source caused trouble for them. However, my observation hive (and most that I've seen) tend to do well even when exposed to other than darkness in the hive. My first guess would have been the simple genitics of the bees, but since you seemed to have noticed an improvement in their behavior once a wooden board was placed on the hive, I dismissed that as a possibility. So my last guess (and that is all one can do at this point), is that the roofing material you used was possibily "treated" with some chemical; either in the manufacturing process or perhaps as a protective coating that the bees were objecting to. >2. Again, robbing is a possibility. This would depend in large part on exactly just how fast the two were united. A lot of the "newspaper" techniques I've read say to cut slits in the newspaper (and this may be necessary if you use several layers of paper). But if you use only one or two sheets of newspaper, I would recommend NOT cutting slits in the paper. I have discovered that the bees chew through the paper pretty fast even without cutting slits in the paper. I believe it is important to slow their progress in uniting so that the differring colony oders have time to unite. In my opinion, cutting slits in one layer of newspaper defeats the purpose of even using the newspaper. The bees rapidly move between colonies when the newspaper is cut. The whole idea behind the newspaper method is to slow their introduction to one another. Another thing we use here when uniting colonies is a sugar/water spray that has some vanilla extract in it. The odor of the vanilla extract helps to mask the different colony odors and since the bees get busy licking the sugar water spray off the frames, the hive walls and themselves, this makes uniting two colonies a lot easier. BusyKnight Dallas,TX Article 10224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan vs Miticu Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:46:23 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3464189E.52C4@javanet.com> References: <3463E84D.70DA@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us211.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) To: drlalo@earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10224 Miticur was an alternative medication that was available to us at the time the book was published in early 1993. As 1993 moved along we began to hear reports that Miticur was creating problems in colonies, perhaps even killing bees. I don't think we ever had a really definitive answer to what was exactly was happening. The manufacturer, Hoeschst-Roussel chose to remove the product from the market rather than spend money chasing the problem. Richard Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 10225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!gate.news.unisource.nl!amsterdam.news.unisource.nl!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!newspost.telia.com!newsfeed101.telia.com!d2o102.telia.com!t3o102p56.telia.com From: "Svend Sørensen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper vacation Date: 8 Nov 97 16:51:23 GMT Organization: Telia Internet Message-ID: <01bcec66$4baa42c0$LocalHost@atlsjkcz> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2o102.telia.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t3o102p56.telia.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10225 Here in Denmark it is getting winter. Bees has stopped flying. I am going to Bainbridge in Georgia on vacation at Xmas . I would like getting contact to beekeepers there. And to see how bees and beekeeping are in Bainbridge Georgia. Is there anyone who can help me please. Erik. Article 10226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 8 Nov 1997 21:47:11 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <19971108214701.QAA03178@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10226 In article <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net>, Ladislao Guerra writes: >There's a new stuff maybe old called "Miticur"..says to work on both >varroa and tracheals. > > Miticur was pulled off the market by the manufacturer because a lot of beekeepers had dead hives they blamed on the product, and the company was unwilling to defend the product against suits. I don't know if anyone actually proved that it did the damage. But if you found some laying around, don't use it without some research to answer three questions: 1. Did it actually cause damage to bees? 2. Is it still legal to use? The registration probably has expired by now, making it illegal for use. 3. What is the storage life? It may, in time, break down into toxic compounds, or just be ineffective. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: 8 Nov 1997 21:47:13 GMT Lines: 52 Message-ID: <19971108214701.QAA03615@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10227 In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. Most of us would think no one could be that stupid. But I've met people like this, so I believe....... Once they have their crop on the trees, they don't even think about bees until the next bloom. - And will get sore if reminded..... Sevin (trade mark) is used for apple thinning at petal fall. If all the petals have actually fallen, the trees are no longer in bloom, bees will not be visiting, and will be unaffected (they could however be still coming to dandelions or other weeds, where they could pick up the poison). The use of Sevin, while trees are actually still blooming, is a clearcut violation of the label, so beekeepers who suffer damage should be able to get some action, if they are assertive enough. In the northeast, extension tree fruit people used to recommend petal fall applications when petals were 3/4 down. We got that stopped when we called it to their attention that this would be a violation of the label, and that this was a recommendation of misuse. We also let it be generally known that violators would be reported to the pesticide enforcement folks. (A camcorder is a great tool to record the evidence.) An acquaintance of mine was wiped out of the beekeeping business by PenncapM during the tail end of bloom. Sevin would have been nearly as bad. Both would be in violation to use while bees are still visiting remaining bloom. If you are a beekeeper in orchard country, don't eat the damage. You have legal tools to protect your bees (and all bees at the same time). Misusers get away with it all the time, because no one will challenge them. Some of the state authorities claim there is no problem with pesticide kills of bees, because they don't get many reports. But mention pesticides at any beekeeper meeting, and you'll have a hot topic with many sad tales. When will be stop being hand-wringing wimps and begin to protect our charges? And we'll be doing the fruit grower some good, even if he may not appreciate it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Research Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711082021352788@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10228 *FYI* reply to address below this line.. ---------------------------------------- From: "J. Anthony Stelzer" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:36:24 -0500 Subject: Varroa Research Greetings to the Bee-L, Our appeal last year for varroa mites from subscribers to the list went quite well. A warm "Thank You" to those who sent samples. Based on the preliminary DNA study, different types of varroa were found to exist. For example, varroa mites collected from Brazil are genetically different from Louisiana mites. We now need to do a survey on the genetic diversity of varroa mites in the United States. To do this project, we need beekeeper help nationwide in collecting samples. We need a representative sample of 10-15 mites per colony from 3 - 5 colonies in each state. If you would like to help, know of someone who would, or would like further information, please reply to: jstelzer@asrr.arsusda.gov, or lguzman@asrr.arsusda.gov Thank you for your help. Lilia DeGuzman & Tony Stelzer USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics & Physiology Research 1157 Ben Hur Road Baton Rouge, LA 70820 (504) 767-9295, 767-9290 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ No matter where you go, there you are. Article 10229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!interramp.com!usenet From: "a" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Beeswax Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:10:03 -0600 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Lines: 11 Message-ID: <643jl8$np$1@usenet1.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.106.68 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10229 We are in search of a place to buy beeswax. We have found some in a local crafts store, but it is in various colors that would not work for our application; we need natural or bleached. Not to mention they were selling it for $13 per pound (is that the going rate or is that overpriced?). We do not need large quantities but would like to find a reliable source. Thank you, Colin's Guitar Works Nashville, TN http://earth.Vol.com/~cgw Article 10230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!john From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.87.240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10230 I'm thinking of starting amateur beekeeping next spring. I've read a couple of books from my local library, but would like some more information... e.g. Name, address, telephone no, contact etc of English national organisation. The same for any local organisation near me (Milton Keynes is my nearest town). Is there a UK periodical for (amateur) beekeepers? Thanks in advance, John. -- John E.G. Savage. Tel/fax +44 (0)1525 237625 1 Oakwood Cottages, Stockgrove Park, Leighton Buzzard, Beds LU7 0BE UK Article 10231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:37:37 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34661101.709DC4F2@ne.mediaone.net> References: Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: John X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10231 John, Check out these sites: http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra http:www.thorne.co.uk There are also some sites for different regional organizations in UK (one I remember seeing before is Surrey). Thorne is a supplier of pretty neat beekeeping equipment over on your side of the pond, and IBRA is just amazing. If you get reeled into this "hobby" as many of us have, you will be very happy to have their site available to you for less than international telephone rates. Kathy Article 10232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: 9 Nov 1997 21:52:26 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19971109215201.QAA17495@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10232 John, Give Mathew Allan at Thornes, Oakley Green, Windsor, berks, SL4 4PZ a shout on 01753 830256 he runs the branch as well as being the editor of Bee Biz. He will be able to put you in touch with your local association and the national, he is also agent for most of the local mags and the internatioal ones. If you've got time try and get down to the National Honey Show at Kensington Town Hall (nearest Tube High St, kensington) on the Fri 28 Nov 9.30-7.00, Sat 29 Nov 7.30-5.00 there will be all the clubs and suppliers in attendance, as well as lectures etc. In the mean time I've found someone who might be localish to you, L.E. Services, 38 Rookery Road, Wyboston, Beds 01480 217887. Hope this is of help, Gareth. Article 10233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com (Greg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping regulations in Michigan? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:17:27 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3463146e.1812430@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 11935@199.176.148.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10233 I am interested in starting a hobby hive next spring and was wondering if there are any regulations specific to the state of Michigan. If there are I would appreceate it if you could tell me where to find them. thanks. Article 10234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!206.251.127.49!newsfeed.gte.net!meganews.telstra.net!loomi.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!news!ppp78.altu.net.au From: gbtele@altu.net.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting hives Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:55:37 +0800 Organization: Telstra Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.23.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10234 Is there any reason why hives are painted...could I just paint them with linseed oil or something similar to weather proof them? Article 10235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!news1.relcom.ru!news.nsk.su!mpeks.tomsk.su!newsserv From: "Vladimir Rydzinski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keeping Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 16:21:02 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: no Message-ID: Sender: news-service@mpeks.tomsk.su Reply-To: bee@rvp.tomsk.su References: <01bce918$639ea700$0100a8c0@dca> X-Return-Path: rvp.tomsk.su!bee@rvp.tomsk.su Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 470 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10235 > Hi, > I'm looking for people busy in bee-keeping to exchange some pieces of > advice in this sphere and experience.I'm interesting in new methods. > I live in Russia. My name is Victor and I'm graduating from the Bee-Keeping > Academy. > I'm 27 y.o. > Please give me a message what other news-groups are dealing with > bee-keeping and where can I get sth new about it. > Victor > E-mail: office@dca.kuban.ru > Vladimir E-mail: bee@rvp.tomsk.su Article 10236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Gifts Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711100727092794@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10236 UNIQUE ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS (in time for Christmas) A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers I know are always looking for something different to have and give as bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you decide if you want more. The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores. Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult. I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a Honey Pot also hand painted. The wood fan pulls have about a foot of gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure. You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com or send a check for $23.(US) each to: Andy Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 For more then one to any one address the postage will be $3.00. Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me. ttul, the OLD Drone PS. I hope to have some pictures I can send anyone who is interested in a closer look at these gifts, just e-mail me and ask for them and when I get them I will send them to you via email. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; Article 10237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvesting bees for apitherapy in winter Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:46:11 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 35 Message-ID: <346780A3.BDDD0EB6@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Discussion of Bee Biology X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10237 I appeal to the wisdom of the list(s); A quick search on deja news yielded nothing substantial on this subject. We need info (please?) from beekeepers in harsh winter climates who are currently and have successfully over the years "harvested" bees from colonies during the winter for people who are currently using apitherapy. What we'd like to know is: What is your prefered method for removal? Do you entice the bees to the inner cover on a warm day and collect there? If so, what is your "warm day" threshhold? freezing? 40 F? Do you actually open the box and scoop from a frame, even though that may cause them to break cluster? Do you use the same colony(s) all winter or do you spread the risk to many colonies? To what extent have you experienced colony winter mortality to change? Do you take any additional steps to mitigate the effect bee removal has had on the colony(s) all winter, like candy boards &/or pollen substitute? How many bees are you harvesting each winter and for how many different people? Do you enter into any sort of agreement with your customer like: if the hive(s) die(s), you pay for the replacement package, queen, or whatever? Or do you include the cost of replacement in the price you charge for the bees? Have I forgotten to ask something important? We've been supplying bees to people all summer who can't afford to pay the shipping for bees to come all winter from southern beekeepers who are providing this service. Since we are still growing our operation, we really don't want to sacrifice our potential spring splits, don't really want to buy packages, and don't really want to say no to these people. Any advice will be useful, Thanks in advance, Kathy Article 10238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34668514.E86FFD5D@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:52:52 +0200 From: m nikolas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: K Cormier Subject: Re: propolis References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.75 Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!139.92.84.75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10238 Propolis is to be found at the entrance of a hive. That is what the term means. It is much like wax, it looks unappetizing but it is a remedy. Among other things, it is an antibiotic, and perhaps an aphrodisiac. You may want to visit my site http://www.expage.com/page/propolis K Cormier wrote: > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > it. Article 10239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.west.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OCT Honey Prices Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711101800462796@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10239 Some OCT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS AUG 1997 totals 56.0 million kil