Article 33540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:47:12 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Oct 2002 14:48:08 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.82.81 X-Trace: 1033476488 news1-2.free.fr 11867 62.147.82.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news1-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33540 Hi everybody, According to my beekeeper good book the maximum peripheral speed for a radial extractor should be 10 meters per second. My 9 frame extractor is .48 meter diameter large so the perimeter of the circle is Pi * .48 = 1.5 meter. To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 RPM . cqfd The maximum speed must be reached progessively to prevent com breakage. :-)) apipop hobbyist french beekeeper :-)) Rob Graham wrote: > "George Styer" wrote in message > news:... >> I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a >> motor on. I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear >> down.Anyone know what the maximum RPM should be? > > A 6 frame radial must be pretty small and there is a danger of going > so fast that the force on the frames will break the comb - that is > what you are after. I hand cank my maxhine which is an 18 framer and > approx. 600mm in dia. at it's fastest at 2-3 revs of the handle per > sec. into a 4:1 drive so that's 60 x 4 x 2.5 say revs per minute = 600 > rpm very best. Occasionally a comb breaks but that's usually a pretty > duff comb anyway. > > I've thought on a number of occasions about 'electrifying' my machine, > but yields in recent years here in Scotland have not justified it. > One thing that I am very aware of is that the start up load with 18 > full frames is pretty hefty and that a motor with a very good low > speed torque characteristic would be required. I've a motor/worm > gearbox assembly that will probably do the job but that is the sort of > thing that you will need in my opinion. > > Rob Article 33541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:03:51 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033477433 13425617 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33541 6.67 RPM? Where a revolution is 1.5 meters? 6.67 * 1.5 = 10 meters per MINUTE so, for 10 meters per SECOND, multiply by 60 = 400.2 RPM "apipop" wrote in message news:3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 RPM Article 33542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:02:43 +0200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3d999d1c$0$17452$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Oct 2002 15:03:24 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.80.41 X-Trace: 1033477404 news2-2.free.fr 17452 62.147.80.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news2-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33542 Sorry for the error, You should read : To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = > 6.67 RPS = 60 * 6.67 = 400 RPM . cqfd apipop apipop wrote: > Hi everybody, > According to my beekeeper good book the maximum peripheral speed for a > radial extractor should be 10 meters per second. > My 9 frame extractor is .48 meter diameter large so the perimeter of > the circle is Pi * .48 = 1.5 meter. > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = > 6.67 RPM . cqfd > The maximum speed must be reached progessively to prevent com > breakage. > > :-)) apipop hobbyist french beekeeper :-)) > > Rob Graham wrote: >> "George Styer" wrote in message >> news:... >>> I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a >>> motor on. I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear >>> down.Anyone know what the maximum RPM should be? >> >> A 6 frame radial must be pretty small and there is a danger of going >> so fast that the force on the frames will break the comb - that is >> what you are after. I hand cank my maxhine which is an 18 framer and >> approx. 600mm in dia. at it's fastest at 2-3 revs of the handle per >> sec. into a 4:1 drive so that's 60 x 4 x 2.5 say revs per minute = >> 600 rpm very best. Occasionally a comb breaks but that's usually a >> pretty duff comb anyway. >> >> I've thought on a number of occasions about 'electrifying' my >> machine, but yields in recent years here in Scotland have not >> justified it. One thing that I am very aware of is that the start up >> load with 18 full frames is pretty hefty and that a motor with a >> very good low speed torque characteristic would be required. I've a >> motor/worm gearbox assembly that will probably do the job but that >> is the sort of thing that you will need in my opinion. >> >> Rob Article 33543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: 1 Oct 2002 07:10:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com> References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033481459 15397 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2002 14:10:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:10:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33543 Richard Hyde wrote in message news:<3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com>... > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > fund the beekeeping? > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > hobby more for the bees than the product :) > > Cheers, > > Rick FWIW around here on the other coast the food banks/soup kitchens have a hard time getting fresh foods. Canned boxed processed foods seem to be in good supply. Article 33544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: 1 Oct 2002 12:59:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3d99d460$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.24.102 X-Original-Trace: 1 Oct 2002 12:59:12 -0400, 141.219.24.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33544 Richard Hyde wrote: > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > fund the beekeeping? > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > hobby more for the bees than the product :) Well, you know, you can easily get $6/lb for it. Just put it up in 8 oz. jars, price it at $4/jar ($1 is for the jar and lid), and take it to your day job to sell to co-workers. That's what my wife has been doing with it, it sells like hotcakes. Your 63 lbs will bring you about $378, and it is just about the right amout to sell at a workplace with about 20 - 50 employees (a few people are likely to buy as much as 5 lbs apiece to use as christmas presents, if our experience is any indication). And the thing is, *they will be happy to pay it, and will treat you as if you are doing them a favor!* And meanwhile, that $378 will keep you in hive parts and mite treatments for quite a while. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 33545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:34:19 -0600 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-107.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.86) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033500863 13636820 209.115.174.86 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-107.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33545 My Kelleys are set to run at anywhere from 210 to 240 RPM at the end of the cycle, depending on the season and the resulting thickness of the honey and presence or absence of granulation. The reels are 1.42 metres in diameter and thus, 4.6m in circumference. To achieve 10m/s, the extractor would run at 10 / 4.6 = 2.1 revs a second, or 130 RPM. That speed -- 130 RPM -- is achieved in my machines at the five minute mark in a fifteen minute cycle. IMO, although 10 metres per second is a good beginning speed, it is far too slow a top speed for normal moisture honey in strong combs in our region. About 18.5 mps would be more appropriate in my view. Additionally, in a small radial machine, the part of the frame near the centre would be moving much more slowly and -- although the honey at the top bars might come out OK -- poor extraction would occur near the bottom bars. Due to the steeper stress gradient in a small radial, and resulting lower stress on the bottom bar area compared to a large radial, I would think that 20 mps would not be excessive. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > 6.67 RPM? Where a revolution is 1.5 meters? > > 6.67 * 1.5 = 10 meters per MINUTE > > so, for 10 meters per SECOND, multiply by 60 = 400.2 RPM > > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 > RPM Article 33546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey bears Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:35:23 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-755.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33546 I was wondering if anyone knew were I can get my hands on about 2 -3 dozen honey bears cheap? If anyone has a good source please share it? Brian Article 33547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:06:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip166.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33547 I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? beekeep Article 33548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:42:34 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-115.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.94) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033522939 14059395 209.115.174.94 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-115.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33548 > I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with > mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether > roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this > whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? See http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm It has also been featured in German bee mags, AFAIK. Your comment is very interesting. I wonder, how did you do the application? Did you see any drop? allen Article 33549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Oct 2002 02:20:08 GMT References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Message-ID: <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33549 >I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >whole thing be an internet hoax? Was the hive vaporized for a three minute period and then sealed for ten minutes after? Article 33550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rubes@infostations.com (Janet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: starthistle honey, does it granulate in containers Date: 2 Oct 2002 04:41:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.44.202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033558902 25223 127.0.0.1 (2 Oct 2002 11:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2002 11:41:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33550 Hi, for the first time, we are extracting starthistle honey (about 150 pounds), which is very light. I don't want to make the same mistake as I did with the Alfalfa Honey. We put it in a 60# closed pail with a honey bung, just to have it harden up. It took forever to gently heat via the sun to liquify it enough to remove it to glass jars. Does anyone know if starthistle honey granulates easily and if it does, how do you bulk store it? Thanks, Janet Article 33551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:53:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip162.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33551 On 02 Oct 2002 02:20:08 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: >>I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >>mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >>roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >>whole thing be an internet hoax? > >Was the hive vaporized for a three minute period and then sealed for ten >minutes after? > > I made a ceramic dish with an electric coil in it. This was attached to a tapered board that fit into the entrance with the wires through it. It was inserted into the hive and a battery hooked up for 3 minutes. It was left in place for another 15 minutes. When removed all the oxalic acid was gone. I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. beekeep Article 33552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:20:12 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> <23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033564813 14457758 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33552 I donated to a couple of food banks in the past. The only issue I had was when one of the banks wanted a "GOOD TILL DATE" on the bottle. Unfortunately they didn't like my reply, It was good to the last drop! Unfortunately, they would except any, while others were more than happy to receive it. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com... > Richard Hyde wrote in message news:<3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com>... > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > > fund the beekeeping? > > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > > > > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > > hobby more for the bees than the product :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rick > > FWIW around here on the other coast the food banks/soup kitchens have > a hard time getting fresh foods. Canned boxed processed foods seem to > be in good supply. Article 33553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 3 Oct 2002 12:00:31 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz X-GC-Trace: gv1-GH07NyOtG7Bi6ZOGdB7cjZoPaj2imyOrsLLvF7t1jaiEMwHGg== NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:00:34 CDT Lines: 24 X-Trace: sv3-cxU1u8c8DBcqR/dcaRGZLNvnAhr7sxDgHLvHeqgsZ+00yHAzMvnLwg7FHd9bvJCVVKWI7W6Endoyg4j!tUteTAKlsYT69Cq7PtAPEAxQ3899WZEk3a5scKODNXCcPkDl5ReMLeGUmUrDyYF2+h+4UTpP X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:00:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33553 In article <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: > > I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to > monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were > found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. > When & how did you sticky board test? Sticky board in for 24hrs before, then another board for 24hrs after treatment, then again for 24hrs a week after treatment? and the same in another hive nearby with no treatment. http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm shows some curves of treatment efficiency indicating it takes 8 - 10 days for this treatment to kick in. This tallies entirely with my experience with the dribbling method. It certainly doesn't knock 'em down on the spot like Apistan or Bayvarol. I think, but can't put my finger right now on chapter & verse, it is systemic, ie. the bees have to eat it, then the mites die from sucking bee blood laced with oxalic. Article 33554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1033610638 24.158.195.26 (Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:03:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:03:58 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!198.108.1.146.MISMATCH!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33554 I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. Idiots. 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Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:35:20 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.225.183 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033637239 144.134.225.183 (Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:27:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:27:19 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70216 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33556 sci.agriculture.fruit:4324 sci.agriculture.poultry:40016 sci.agriculture.ratites:1838 You were saying ???????????????? Matt "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" wrote in message news:angn7f$5ea$3@app0.visti.net... > ïòçáîéúáãéñ ðòåäìáçáåô úáðáóîùå þáóôé ë ôòáëôïòáí é ëïíâáéîáí ðï ïðôï÷ùí > ãåîáí. > óï óëìáäá ÷ ëéå÷å. ÷ïúíïöåî âáòôåò îá ó/è ðòïäõëãéà. > avantag@visti.com > > > Article 33557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Date: 3 Oct 2002 10:44:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0210030944.258bf413@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.103.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033667077 1989 127.0.0.1 (3 Oct 2002 17:44:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2002 17:44:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33557 It sounds to me like you have some kind of hornet or wasp. No honeybee is 3 inches long, and it's rare that the queen is out of the hive. (A mating flight or swarming are the normal exceptions to this.) This time or year wasps are producing many queens which mate and then find a place to go dormant for the winter. (Under some tree bark, a pile of leaves, etc.) In the spring they emerge and start a new colony of wasps. Nuc. "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:... > I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid > bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. > Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes > around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I > learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance > guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. > Idiots. > > > BiG Orange in Tennessee Article 33558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:04:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip184.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33558 On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:00:35 GMT, Peter Kerr wrote: >In article <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net>, beekeep > wrote: >> >> I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to >> monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were >> found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. >> > >When & how did you sticky board test? >Sticky board in for 24hrs before, >then another board for 24hrs after treatment, >then again for 24hrs a week after treatment? >and the same in another hive nearby with no treatment. > >http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". >shows some curves of treatment efficiency indicating it takes 8 - 10 >days for this treatment to kick in. This tallies entirely with my >experience with the dribbling method. It certainly doesn't knock 'em >down on the spot like Apistan or Bayvarol. That curve shows a 30% Effiocy at the 1 day point and 80% at 8 days. >I think, but can't put my finger right now on chapter & verse, it is >systemic, ie. the bees have to eat it, then the mites die from sucking >bee blood laced with oxalic. This is very possible. While I saw no difference over 10 days with 1.4 grams I saw a little difference today with 3 grams. Results so far as follows: 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min and sealed hive for another 15 min. 10/1 12.9 B/M 10/2 10.6 B/M 10/3 18.25 B/M I'll keep all posted. beekeep Article 33559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd swarmlike behavior Date: 3 Oct 2002 16:32:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033687921 23289 127.0.0.1 (3 Oct 2002 23:32:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2002 23:32:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33559 About 15 yds from a dozen hives stands an apple tree where there were a small cloud of bees somewhat like a small swarm that never really settled down. It was near noon and overcast in Southeast CT USA today with small rain showeres. Any ideas? Article 33560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:34:22 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-207.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.133) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033702441 15616771 209.115.174.133 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-207.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33560 > It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". Yeah, I saw that and figured it was a translation error. I've been wondering about it for some time now, and it is interesting that you mention it. > 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min... You say 'burned'. Is that the same as 'evaporate', or can OA actually burn -- and not evaporate? allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd swarmlike behavior Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:38:16 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.100.67 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1033713507 15372 217.135.100.67 (4 Oct 2002 06:38:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 2002 06:38:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33561 It may have been a swarm (possibly a mating swarm) where the queen remained in the hive for some reason - perhaps she has deformed wings and is unable to fly. The swarm would not settle and would eventually return to the hive. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com... > About 15 yds from a dozen hives stands an apple tree where there were > a small cloud of bees somewhat like a small swarm that never really > settled down. It was near noon and overcast in Southeast CT USA today > with small rain showeres. > Any ideas? Article 33562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sumy.commerce,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.auto,ukr.commerce.chemical,ukr.commerce.construction,ukr.commerce.energy,ukr.commerce.estat Subject: ëõðìà óáèáòîùê âõòñë !!!! Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:17:47 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-152.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1033717356 28017 195.64.228.152 (4 Oct 2002 07:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 2002 07:42:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70227 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33562 sci.agriculture.fruit:4325 sci.agriculture.poultry:40036 sci.agriculture.ratites:1839 ïòçáîéúáãéñ ëõðéô óáèáòîùê âõòñë äï 300 ô Article 33563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:01:04 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1033722347 14515 158.38.51.37 (4 Oct 2002 09:05:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:05:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33563 beekeep wrote: > >http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm > > It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated > "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for > use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". The original german text (available on the same web site) says that oxalic acid is not "wachslöslich" ie. is not absorbed into the WAX!! Don't let others' finger problems affect a balanced judgement. Use of oxalic acid with one or other delivery method does appear to work, many beekeepers in europe are using it and have used it for several years. The real questions are does it work well enough and what method of delivery is safe (for the bees and the beekeeper) and effective (both in terms of mite kill and beekeeper effort). Interestingly enough one of the possible breakdown products of oxalic acid is formic acid. Any chemists that can explain under what circumstances this breakdown product can be expected? Tony Morgan ------------------------------------------------ Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 33564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:31:37 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3D9D7C19.825D269C@iet.hist.no> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1033731381 17115 158.38.51.37 (4 Oct 2002 11:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:36:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33564 Anthony Morgan wrote: > Interestingly enough one of the possible breakdown products of oxalic > acid is formic acid. Any chemists that can explain under what > circumstances this breakdown product can be expected? I should have read further, elsewhere on the same site the following information can be found (not all in the same place however): When heated, about half of the oxalic acid decomposes into harmless carbon dioxide and water. The amount of formic acid produced is about 1 % of the weight of the vaporised acid. The remainder of the oxalic acid precipitates in a fine dust throughout the hive. So it seems as though oxalic vaporising is NOT an indirect formic acid treatment. Tony Morgan ----------------------------------------------------- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 33565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:17:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3d9d85fb.268397533@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip174.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33565 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:34:22 -0600, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic >acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say >"Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". > >Yeah, I saw that and figured it was a translation error. I've been >wondering about it for some time now, and it is interesting that you mention >it. > >> 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min... > >You say 'burned'. Is that the same as 'evaporate', or can OA actually >burn -- and not evaporate? > >allen >http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > > > I don't know that evaporate is the correct term either. When heated OA gives off a gray smoke. I explained how I did it earlier with an electric coil. beekeep Article 33567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:37:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip191.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33567 Todays (10/4) ether roll 3 mites/136 bees!! Maybe this stuff does work. beekeep Article 33568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:58:54 CDT Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:59:30 +1200 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <051020021059308307%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> <3D9D7C19.825D269C@iet.hist.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 5 Oct 2002 10:58:51 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 16 X-Trace: sv3-1hABGDDtSsfOuXa2F6QiWurFNsqw6Oll/vQ6nEDqp80A9Wrn3+p4mKQRy3ydz1TSSMoNkKKxwU9EWCp!OZCzsvq3iX5stIqyCiTy9Egx3d2a6qJUdn4N2pT1HcslkuyEZBPx5ZP1ROCncNPueTPu1Ug= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33568 > > When heated, about half of the oxalic acid decomposes into harmless > carbon dioxide and water. The amount of formic acid produced is about 1 > % of the weight of the vaporised acid. The remainder of the oxalic acid > precipitates in a fine dust throughout the hive. > When I read that I assumed that the oxalic could not act as a vapour, like eg. formic or acetic. The "fine dust" would fall into bee & larvae food, and on the bees themselves, which they would ingest while grooming & comb cleaning. But I still haven't tracked down a reference to the systemic action of oxalic. Note that lactic acid is also used in Europe with a direct application http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/Themes/Varroa.htm Article 33569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Olive Trees?? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:26:06 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.140 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033787498 203.54.9.140 (Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:11:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:11:38 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33569 Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? What is the honey like and how much would be produced? Thanks Article 33570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Thomas Porschberg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: improve the bees pasture Date: 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362e5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: news.online.de 1033829688 26187 217.3.98.229 (5 Oct 2002 14:54:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2002 14:54:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!blackbush.xlink.net!blackbush.de.kpnqwest.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33570 I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there are sheeps in the garden and they will devour all green bushs. What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? May be someone with thorns ? Article 33571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZuVlmXSKCmphXhaHAK6od/u7M32YghpVXThF3HCTfhvtk3GZ0slRy5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2002 22:39:27 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33571 "Barry METZ" wrote in message news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? > How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? > What is the honey like and how much would be produced? > > Thanks > I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." Keith Article 33572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: improve the bees pasture Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:53:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.134.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1033865616 207.179.134.192 (Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:53:36 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:53:36 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33572 On 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200, Thomas Porschberg wrote: >I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve >the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there >are sheeps in the garden and they will devour >all green bushs. >What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? >May be someone with thorns ? Maybe you should post that question in sci.agriculture.sheepkeeping? -- Ajo Wissink Article 33573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: starthistle honey, does it granulate in containers Date: 5 Oct 2002 20:14:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <993fd181.0210051914.4feed672@posting.google.com> References: <747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033874063 1263 127.0.0.1 (6 Oct 2002 03:14:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2002 03:14:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33573 rubes@infostations.com (Janet) wrote in message news:<747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com>... > Hi, for the first time, we are extracting starthistle honey (about 150 > pounds), which is very light. I don't want to make the same mistake > as I did with the Alfalfa Honey. We put it in a 60# closed pail with > a honey bung, just to have it harden up. It took forever to gently > heat via the sun to liquify it enough to remove it to glass jars. > Does anyone know if starthistle honey granulates easily and if it > does, how do you bulk store it? > Thanks, > Janet Pure starthistle is very slow to granulate,compared to many other types of honey.If you intend to keep producing honey then you will have to deal with the granulation problem if you sell at retail.Thermostatically controlled hotboxes are the way to go.I have 2 ,one from an old refrigerator and one from a deep freeze.The first hot box I ever built was insulated and held a couple of 5 gallon pails.Bob Harrison wrote an excellent article in Bee Culture(I think it was) on how to convert old refrigerators to hot boxes.Probably can find the info in BEE-L archives. ---Mike Article 33574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: bjms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 07:01:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1033887664 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:01:04 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:01:04 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33574 On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid >bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. >Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes >around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I >learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance >guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. >Idiots. > > >BiG Orange in Tennesse I just caught a queen bee (probably not though) does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid (Spray yourself) I really did catch one (Doubt you are smart enough) around the body and is 3" long. (You must be looking elsewhere) Any thoughts (never under estimate the power of stupid people in a group) I am not a beekeeper, (We understand) learned some stuff (what stuff?) while they were migrating. (you need a vacation, go to Florida orange) Article 33575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:42:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip181.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33575 On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400, "Angela and Keith Copi" wrote: > >"Barry METZ" wrote in message >news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... >> Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? >> How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? >> What is the honey like and how much would be produced? >> >> Thanks >> >I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American >Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." > >Keith > > Russian olives are a great spring buildup plant. They grow fast and produce flowers in a few years. beekeep Article 33576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.159 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033903976 203.54.9.159 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:32:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:32:56 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!deine.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33576 Beekeep, when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? Barry metz REMOVE "DELETE" from address to reply "beekeep" wrote in message news:3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400, "Angela and Keith Copi" > wrote: > > > > >"Barry METZ" wrote in message > >news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > >> Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? > >> How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? > >> What is the honey like and how much would be produced? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American > >Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." > > > >Keith > > > > > Russian olives are a great spring buildup plant. They grow fast and > produce flowers in a few years. > > beekeep > > Article 33577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tracheal mite inspection question Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:40:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3da02dfb.442457520@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33577 How does one look for live treacheal mites? I would like to look at the effects of the oxalic acid treatment on them as well as the varroa mites. I am guessing that a regular slice soaked in KOH would make all mites dead. beekeep Article 33578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:48:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3da03000.442968209@news1.radix.net> References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33578 On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000, "Barry METZ" wrote: >Beekeep, >when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount >of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? > >Barry metz Copious amounts of nectar. It blooms here in Southern Maryland in April. Each bush has thousands of small yellow and/or white blossoms. You smell them before you see them. The first couple of years they don't seem to produce much but once the plant gets a little age they humm with bees. They are also known as autum olives. They are a very hardy plant. beekeep Article 33579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:19:42 CDT Message-ID: <3DA061FF.2F128CE1@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:17:03 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> <3da03000.442968209@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-YGffv4HZyhVWI3rB869TPaVNHyINrOEU2aExPfgIz2pbL103bmoF2RQop0BHb86uHdltbc1FsrAkWZ1!sfLuCG8STdmmdt3SMst8fSa6Q8Rqqv/KxgbdU6dpzEDqcMyVZ4J6ZLePcxTny6V1xwM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33579 beekeep wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000, "Barry METZ" > wrote: > > >Beekeep, > >when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount > >of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? > > > >Barry metz > Copious amounts of nectar. It blooms here in Southern Maryland in > April. Each bush has thousands of small yellow and/or white blossoms. > You smell them before you see them. The first couple of years they > don't seem to produce much but once the plant gets a little age they > humm with bees. They are also known as autum olives. They are a very > hardy plant. > > beekeep > > I have to differ with you on one point. Although Russian olive is probably related to Autumn olive, they are not the same thing. The Russian olive grows into a tree and the Autumn olive grows into a bush. I do agree that the Autumn olive is a great spring nectar source and, if I can time it right, I'll pull that honey before other sources get mixed in with it - it is exceptional honey. Autumn olive is a very hardy and invasive plant in S.Illinois. AL Article 33580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:01:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1033920077 24.158.195.26 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:01:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:01:17 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33580 "bjms" wrote in message news:u6nvpu454bl28bmkk7ghel5tlbrr48n0bo@4ax.com... > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: > > > I am not a beekeeper, (We understand) At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will get diseased and die. You people are freaks, the beekeepers that came out after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting like a bunch of sissies when they found out. The swarm went from the size of a basketball to a baseball with 3 cans of raid. That stuff is strong! BiG Orange Article 33581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: improve the bees pasture Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:28:06 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu191-196.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1033921745 29954 195.163.196.191 (6 Oct 2002 16:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33581 My expereince with sheep is that they eat anything slightly green and that is slower than a sheep. ;-) A ggod fence is our only option! "Ajo Wissink" skrev i meddelandet news:ub2vpu8ap7aubmje04cer6cujnqc1s3oe9@4ax.com... > On 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200, Thomas Porschberg > wrote: > > >I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve > >the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there > >are sheeps in the garden and they will devour > >all green bushs. > >What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? > >May be someone with thorns ? > > Maybe you should post that question in sci.agriculture.sheepkeeping? > > -- > Ajo Wissink Article 33582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Thomas Porschberg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: American literature Date: 06 Oct 2002 20:14:09 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362ae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: news.online.de 1033929130 15627 217.3.98.174 (6 Oct 2002 18:32:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2002 18:32:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33582 I'm a German hobby beekeeper and interested in English literature about beekeeping from a non German point of view for two reasons, first to learn how it works (which hives, breeds are spreaded ...) and second to train my English. Suggestions are very welcome ! Article 33583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Oct 2002 20:53:33 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Message-ID: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33583 >BiG Orange >At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will >get diseased and die. You people are freaks, Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. I wish I had some more time to waste. >the beekeepers that came out >after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting >like a bunch of sissies when they found out. Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't afford a real house. Maybe you should learn to play with bees. King Freak Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:03:10 CDT Message-ID: <3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:00:30 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: sv3-vIHu5f/KhN+kqDo+DrePoJG4K2nbMxu2Lm8pRZYShN9uqm6hLwAdWwWB5G7Z497Ufw8N8BmSVB2luRa!NzG8+pzk2X5eQKUoCFnYGEsmj8d6RhbFj3xAod8qTEDQZVsWfgUE6T/xAHepHzAVO9Lu X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33584 Robert Williamson wrote: > > >BiG Orange > >At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will > >get diseased and die. You people are freaks, > > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. > I wish I had some more time to waste. > > >the beekeepers that came out > >after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting > >like a bunch of sissies when they found out. > > Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't > afford a real house. Maybe you should learn to play with bees. > > Robert Williamson Hey Robert, didn't yo mama teach you not to play with trolls? AL Article 33585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: YOU GOT MAIL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanna earn some cash? Message-ID: <061020022232447227%got@mail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 04:34:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1033965281 161.184.141.129 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:34:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:34:41 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33585 > Brian wrote: > HOW TO TURN THREE DOLLARS INTO FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS! FTC LAUNCHES CRACKDOWN ON DECEPTIVE JUNK E-MAIL Scammers Claim The FTC Will Confirm Legality of Illegal Scheme http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/02/eileenspam1.htm Article 33586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_yao9.4480$Os6.590368@news.xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:33:10 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.125 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1033975098 219.88.47.125 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:18:18 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:18:18 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33586 Oxalic acid is used all the time down here in New Zealand. It kills 98% of mites on the first treatment. It must be delivered at 3.6% in a sugar based solution if I recall. Dave A in NZ Article 33587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:48:50 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3da17532$0$6089$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 07 Oct 2002 13:51:14 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.81.46 X-Trace: 1033991474 news2-2.free.fr 6089 62.147.81.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news2-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33587 Bonjour, I am following this interesting discussion about oxalic acid which is recommended by Swiss bee institute and other countries. One point should be taken in consideration : if oxalic is heated to strongly, the evaporation gives big black flakes instead of very thin sublimation particles. Could also "beekeep" detail how he made the evaporator. I am also thinking about doing myself such a device which seems very similar to a commercial one named VARROX manufactured in Switzerland. beekeep wrote: > I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with > mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether > roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this > whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? > > beekeep Article 33588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:22:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034007733 24.158.195.26 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:22:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:22:13 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33588 > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. > I wish I had some more time to waste. So? What is the bottom line? I see plenty of businesses that gross big and still lose. > Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't > afford a real house. We lived in a townhouse while they were building our house last year, not as smart as you think, huh? I guess you hicks stuck out on the bee farm don't know much about the real world. BiG Orange Article 33589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <4yio9.11769$PS1.1213012@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:23:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034007808 24.158.195.26 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:23:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:23:28 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp.itservices.ubc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33589 "AL" wrote in message news:3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net... > Hey Robert, didn't yo mama teach you not to play with trolls? > > AL Read the entire thread "bee brain" and you'll see I was not the one that started trolling. BiG Orange Article 33590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Time lag after Apistan til sticky board test? Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1034014343 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33590 Hi folks, I'm in Massachusetts, US. On August 4, I did 24-hour varroa mite drop counts on sticky boards and got: #1 120 #2 60 #3 135 On August 10, I pulled all the honey supers off and put in 4 Apipstan strips per colony (each had 2 deeps, 2 strips in each per label directions). October 5 (56 days) I pulled the strips out and put in new sticky boards. Yesterday I counted again, and got: #1 60 #2 45 #3 90 That's higher than I expected... the Aug 4 sticky boards were left in the whole time (I have screened bottom and the boards are under the screen) and there were a lot of dead varroa when I pulled the boards. Should I be seeing lower counts on this test? Should I have waited a week or so to retest? Could I be seeing mites still falling off from the Apistan? (Some of those I counted this time were still moving their legs, although stuck to the board). Any ideas? I'd rather not pull out the big coumaphos guns, but will if I need to. I've never bought coumaphos before... is there a need for certain temperatures, brood rearing (or not), etc.? Thanks, -Steve Article 33592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:06:25 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.227 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1034023890 219.88.47.227 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:51:30 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:51:30 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33592 Big Orange, check it's a queen bee by using a magnifying glass. The queen has a small crown near the back of her head!!! Grin! Article 33593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 00:38:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3da22868.8017230@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3da17532$0$6089$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip145.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33593 I made clay dishes 1/2 " high with a 7/8" diameter hole in the center. A coil of electric heater wire was wraped inside the hole on the bottom with wires attached that ran through the entrance closing board. beekeep On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:48:50 +0200, "apipop" wrote: >Bonjour, >I am following this interesting discussion about oxalic acid which is >recommended by Swiss bee institute and other countries. >One point should be taken in consideration : if oxalic is heated to >strongly, the evaporation gives big black flakes instead of very thin >sublimation particles. >Could also "beekeep" detail how he made the evaporator. I am also thinking >about doing myself such a device which seems very similar to a commercial >one named VARROX manufactured in Switzerland. > >beekeep wrote: >> I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >> mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >> roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >> whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? >> >> beekeep > > > Article 33594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DA23277.8CAE1E0A@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propylene glycol vs. Varroa? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1034039902 209.239.173.174 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:22 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33594 I bought a cheap halloween fog machine to use with FGMO, voiding the warranty, to try with my bees. However, the machine comes with a propylene glycol based fog fluid. Has anyone tried propylene glycol as an anti-varroa fog? Like FGMO propylene glycol is advertised as non-toxic. I trapped a single bee in a jar and filled it with propylene glycol fog. It started to groom itself enthusiastically and flew away when I opened the jar two minutes later. Not a scientific test, I admit. I wonder if FGMO is causing higher mitefall counts simply because it is causing enhanced bee grooming behavior and not clogging mite breathing tubes as the current theory suggests? Cheers, Rick Article 33596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SMOKUM OAKUM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any POT Growing Beekeepers Here Message-ID: <071020022237544316%smokey@oakey.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 33 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 04:39:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1034051991 161.184.141.129 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:39:51 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:39:51 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33596 KIRKVILLE, New York (AP) -- Authorities say a beekeeper figured out an ingenious way to protect a 15-pound marijuana harvest in his barn: his bees. Eric Rasmussen, of Kirkville, was charged with first-degree criminal possession of marijuana, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon and unlawfully growing cannabis, state police said. Troopers received a number of tips about suspicious activity near Rasmussen's residence, 15 miles northeast of Syracuse. When police arrived last week, they found a locked barn surrounded by several beehives of honeybees. After entering the barn by a small rear window police said they found a marijuana operation on the barn's second floor. Authorities seized 56 harvested and drying marijuana plants, marijuana seedlingsstarted for next year's crop, growing lights and other drug paraphernalia. They also found 19 rifles and shotguns, police said. Rasmussen, who listed his occupation as a beekeeper, was sent to Madison County Jail in lieu of $10,000 bail. Article 33597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: szoke@beecomputing.com (Szoke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: 7 Oct 2002 23:24:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <97b0e4c3.0210072224.61950fcf@posting.google.com> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.136.156.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034058293 5966 127.0.0.1 (8 Oct 2002 06:24:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 2002 06:24:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33597 > Maybe this stuff does work. I'm using oxalic acid for a few years. This is an extremely powerful treatment and it is quite funny to see beekeepers trying some kind of 'amateuristic' testing when high level research centers have already performed a lot of experiments on this topic. Just to avoid you wasting a lot of time re-inventing the wheel. Have a look at the link below before talking about "Is it a hoax ?" http://www.apis.admin.ch/index_e.htm At the bottom of the page, follow this link : Oxalsäureverdampfung - Vergleich verschiedener Verdampfungsgeräte (text in German) Evaporation of oxalic acid - Comparison of different evaporation devices (345k, pdf) With Best Regards, Stan Article 33598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the news Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:48:00 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 48 Message-ID: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034084881 17873682 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:955 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33598 Man uses bees to protect pot stash Monday, October 7, 2002 Posted: 9:43 PM EDT (0143 GMT) KIRKVILLE, New York (AP) -- Authorities say a beekeeper figured out an ingenious way to protect a 15-pound marijuana harvest in his barn: his bees. Eric Rasmussen, of Kirkville, was charged with first-degree criminal possession of marijuana, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon and unlawfully growing cannabis, state police said. Troopers received a number of tips about suspicious activity near Rasmussen's residence, 15 miles northeast of Syracuse. When police arrived last week, they found a locked barn surrounded by several beehives of honeybees. After entering the barn by a small rear window police said they found a marijuana operation on the barn's second floor. Authorities seized 56 harvested and drying marijuana plants, marijuana seedlings started for next year's crop, growing lights and other drug paraphernalia. They also found 19 rifles and shotguns, police said. Rasmussen, who listed his occupation as a beekeeper, was sent to Madison County Jail in lieu of $10,000 bail. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html begin 666 1.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`(#_`,# P ```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$`0 ("1 $`.P`` ` end Article 33599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:59:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034092773 24.158.195.26 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:59:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:59:33 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33599 "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com... > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. Hey Rob, if you are making so much money, why are does your web site look like crap, and you are taking paypal, rather that a real merchant account? LAMER! Article 33600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.94.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034102208 12.77.94.107 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33600 My Apologies to the group for this troll from my state, I tried sending him an email, but he has disregarded it. Troll List activated. BTW Hey Rob nice site, Clean and Easy to read. I'll be ordering some honey from you soon. John "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:FhDo9.14125$PS1.1401684@kent.svc.tds.net... > "Robert Williamson" wrote in message > news:20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com... > > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the > math. > > Hey Rob, if you are making so much money, why are does your web site look > like crap, and you are taking paypal, rather that a real merchant account? > > LAMER! > > > Article 33601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:08:18 CDT Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:09:40 +1300 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <091020021109408974%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> <97b0e4c3.0210072224.61950fcf@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 9 Oct 2002 11:08:06 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 8 X-Trace: sv3-GPLQQWimD5q5lI9ZJMgRFfaCxspFZd+33AP4GMZ8C6655BGnvWcme31zdqSsy23bYWiRuEjMAMKEKk8!9u3T0yh+I/FOqwkcCZQwbNzZ8ys0R6v97ZIzU4UICxR/w4botpi9LWAmItICbcFzLmoMBW4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33601 > http://www.apis.admin.ch/index_e.htm click "Varroa" at right, then "Lactic acid/Oxalic acid" at top "Oxalsäure fur Bekämpfung der Varroa - Eine Gefahr für den Imker" on the same page might do with a translation to english for our Nth American friends.... Article 33602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:53:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034121229 24.158.195.26 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:53:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:53:49 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33602 > BTW Hey Rob nice site, Clean and Easy to read. I'll be ordering some > honey from you soon. > > John > He posts says Robert, not Bob, so obviously toy two are buddies. The guy's FrontPage site sucks and looks like crapola. It is unprofessional and what about him taking paypal? The page only works in 1024x768 without scrolling right and left, and Paypal charges .30+ cents per transaction plus 2.9 percent. The bank charges much less than that, and if they guy is doing that much business he would be stupid not to take credit cards through a real merchant account. LAMERS! LAMERS! Even an untrained eye can see the site sucks, he could hire someone to do it if he was making the big bucks (which he obviously is not from the looks of his lame azz site! BiG Orange Article 33603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor for sale Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:05:09 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33603 posted a plastic honey extractor on ebay for sale -- Don't let fear or good judgment hold you back Article 33604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.94.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034153826 12.77.94.72 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33604 You really are a SAD case. his website is a sideline. he gave you a WHOLESALE PRICE for Truckloads of honey. A wholesale price considerably lower than what I hear is current going rate. Perhaps it was for last years sales. What you saw on his website was a small side buisness... primarily his wifes candle making if i were to hazard a guess. But then he doesn't mind making some exta money on his partial load of honey and other products. since it is Low volume side buisness. he has made a decision to leave it with PayPal. This saves him numerous headaches if nothing else. I've checked into merchant accounts. They aren't free either. For all we know his wife does other buisnes through E-Bay. your too busy seking reasons to put other people down you don't see the strengths or at least don't acknowledge them. While you didn't like the graphics i did... I liked the apearance of using Honey to write the letters in places. Lame is why you persist here when you obviously have no intrest. Article 33605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:09:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034183388 24.159.179.14 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:09:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:09:48 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33605 >While you > didn't like the graphics i did... I liked the apearance of using Honey to > write the letters in places. > OH!!! So you made that piece of crap web site! (if it can even be called that) Mathematically, it is always better to use a merchant account if you are doing any kind of business at all! Don't quit your day job, because you suck at web design. BiG Orange Article 33606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 51 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Oct 2002 23:10:44 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: The Texasdrone Message-ID: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33606 Hello All, I figured I would respond to "Big Orange" and kind of introduce myself as I don't actually post too often. My name is Robert Williamson. I'm 28 years old and got involved with beekeeping back in 1998. At the time I was the youngest hotel manager in our area if not the state. I had worked my way through college in hotels and ended up runnning one. I also hated it. To my good fortune I met a local commercial beekeeper and grew fascinated by bees. I gave up a good paying job and went to work with him in the hopes of being able to start my own business. I know have 600 hives. Which yield an average of 150lbs. each per year. I still work with my mentor helping to take care of his bees. We are basically a two man operation and now take care of a total of 4,000 hives. We hire extracting help during the summer. I started my website a year and half ago when I was down with a knee injury. With nothing else to do I learned a little about html and created my first website. It was primarily to be an info/hobby site, but quickly turned commercial when I suddenly found a niche in the wholesale filtered beeswax market. The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and degrade beekeeps. Doesn't he know that bees are in some way responsible for putting the majority of the food on his plate. Who is he to critisize anyone while he stuffs his face with the rewards of the thing he bad mouths. For Big Orange: As for my website I have over 1500 loyal customers who love it in all of its simplicity. In all this time I've had about five people who just had to pay directly by credit card which they were able to do via the billpoint system. Since I do a large volume of business through paypal I have a discount rate of 2.2% which is less than most merchant account rates and I don't have to pay any monthly fees. However I did realize the neccesity of being able offer direct pay. Two months ago I signed a merchant agreement in preparation for two new websites which I will be finishing up this winter. Oh and I'm still having to pay more in total than paypal if not by much. As for whether you like my site...who cares. It works and it makes me money. So far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. And if you're not interested in beekeeping I believe we would all would agree that you need to find another outlet for your problems. I believe that you can find one in the myriad of newsgroups available. If you have a genuine interest then welcome, but try to be more optimistic and friendly please. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how big does the entrance have to be?? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.248.136.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1034207241 12.248.136.10 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33607 Hello, I am setting up an indoor observation hive and I was wondering what the minimum diameter of an entrance that I could use? It must be big enough for them to pass, of course, but after that, how much bigger do you need to make it? thanks Article 33608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey supers Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:28:04 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33608 I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I was going to let the bees have this first harvest. Two questions: 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have already removed the queen excluder) 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are still quite warm here) Thanks much! James avila.35@charter.net Article 33609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites in the SF Bay area? Use of mite strips? Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:55:50 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3DA1EB14.68597C45@uidaho.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news-xfer.nuri.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33609 Matthew, I'm a first year beekeeper in Northern California - specifically Redding. I have testing for and noticed a couple of mites. Realizing that San Francisco is 160 miles to my south, I do know from news posts and articles that I have read that there are several beekeepers in the bay area. That having been said, it would seem that with so many bees there is at least a chance for the mites to spread even without much agriculture in that area. As a precaution, I would take the position that where there are bees, there are bee mites. If your nephew is unable to find stripes in the bay area here a couple of great websites that I use to get all of my beekeeping supplies: http://www.bee-commerce.com/ http://www.mannlakeltd.com/catalog/catalog_main.htm Good luck! James Avila avila.35@charter.net Article 33610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:25:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034220313 24.159.179.14 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:25:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:25:13 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33610 "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com... > So far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. > Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see > one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. Actually, I am not stupid enough to disclose who I really am like you, but I can tell you that I am more than qualified to judge your site. Your web site is unarguably very lame and unprofessional looking. I guess people don't expect much out of a bee farmer web site so they don't point this out. You know, and I know that your site is weak so stop trying to act like it is now. If you were sooo successful, you could hire a professional to do it and make it look If you want to see an above average site look at http://www.jellybelly.com, now look at your site. You can't tell a difference? Your site sucks, and you just made an ass out of yourself with this lamer post. Sorry if you are not open to constructive criticism, I guess it's not everyday that someone is brutally honest and tells you that you have a booger handing out of your nose, or in this case a weak, lamer web site. BiG Orange Article 33611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DA50881.49A7F997@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:53:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!usc.edu!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33611 BiG Orange wrote: > snipped What a fscking twit.. Plonk Tsu Article 33612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-168-116.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1034243070 4524 213.122.168.116 (10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33612 So the supers should be off and extracted by now so how are the yields? In Brixton, South London I have averaged 45lb per hive. Not brilliant but neither was the weather. Some friends have had 90lb per hive, maybe I looked at the bees too often? Article 33613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Oct 2002 10:45:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: big orange Message-ID: <20021010064557.14788.00000381@mb-mf.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33613 This cyber geek needs to get a real life! >Actually, I am not stupid enough to disclose who I really am like you, He really means "man enough" Article 33614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: * Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Message-ID: References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1034251798 12.254.48.71 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33614 Robert, I commend you for what you have accomplished. You've been able to move into a career that you enjoy and make an income that is satisfactory to you and your family. I am sure that many people who read this newsgroup wish they were able to say the same thing. I want to thank you for letting us know your success story. >I figured I would respond to "Big Orange" and kind of introduce myself as I >don't actually post too often. My name is Robert Williamson. I'm 28 years old >and got involved with beekeeping back in 1998. At the time I was the youngest >hotel manager in our area if not the state. I had worked my way through college >in hotels and ended up runnning one. I also hated it. To my good fortune I met >a local commercial beekeeper and grew fascinated by bees. I gave up a good >paying job and went to work with him in the hopes of being able to start my own >business. I know have 600 hives. Which yield an average of 150lbs. each per >year. I still work with my mentor helping to take care of his bees. We are >basically a two man operation and now take care of a total of 4,000 hives. We >hire extracting help during the summer. I started my website a year and half >ago when I was down with a knee injury. With nothing else to do I learned a >little about html and created my first website. It was primarily to be an >info/hobby site, but quickly turned commercial when I suddenly found a niche in >the wholesale filtered beeswax market. The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of >beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given >me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy >life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to >imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and >degrade beekeeps. Doesn't he know that bees are in some way responsible for >putting the majority of the food on his plate. Who is he to critisize anyone >while he stuffs his face with the rewards of the thing he bad mouths. > >For Big Orange: > >As for my website I have over 1500 loyal customers who love it in all of its >simplicity. In all this time I've had about five people who just had to pay >directly by credit card which they were able to do via the billpoint system. >Since I do a large volume of business through paypal I have a discount rate of >2.2% which is less than most merchant account rates and I don't have to pay any >monthly fees. However I did realize the neccesity of being able offer direct >pay. Two months ago I signed a merchant agreement in preparation for two new >websites which I will be finishing up this winter. >Oh and I'm still having to pay more in total than paypal if not by much. As >for whether you like my site...who cares. It works and it makes me money. So >far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. >Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see >one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. >And if you're not interested in beekeeping I believe we would all would agree >that you need to find another outlet for your problems. I believe that you can >find one in the myriad of newsgroups available. If you have a genuine interest >then welcome, but try to be more optimistic and friendly please. > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >www.texasdrone.com >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034262200 24.159.179.14 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:03:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:03:20 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33615 >The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of > beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given > me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy > life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to > imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and > degrade beekeeps. Sorry, but I think your are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately had had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to *winging it*. Sorry, but I'm not buying your fairy tell story. Sounds like B.S. to me. If you are doing so well, you might want to try what other business owners do, put money back into your business. Of course, if you are not really doing well you have none to put back into it. BiG Orange Article 33616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:38:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034264294 24.159.179.14 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:38:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:38:14 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33616 REVISED! Sorry, but you are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to *winging it*. Your business site is not the place to LEARN HTML! Sorry, but I'm not buying your fairy tale story. Sounds like B.S. to me. If you are doing so well, you might want to try what other business owners do, put money back into your business. Of course, if you are not really doing well you have none to put back into it. BiG Orange Article 33617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey supers Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:24 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034266165 19903211 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33617 James if you decide to leave the super on for the bees, remember that when you treat for mites the use of the super for future honey for human consumption will not be advised as future honey will be tainted by the medication used to treat for mites. Just my thoughts.-- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "James Avila" wrote in message news:uq9j9dl1bnss25@corp.supernews.com... > I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern > California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. > I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about > six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. > I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of > uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I > was going to let the bees have this first harvest. > > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have > already removed the queen excluder) > 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to > prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are > still quite warm here) > > Thanks much! > James > avila.35@charter.net > > > Article 33618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: 10 Oct 2002 17:13:11 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.134 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.245.249.51!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!feedwest.aleron.net!aleron.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33618 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:20 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >>The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of >> beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has >given >> me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy >> life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even >begin to >> imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here >and >> degrade beekeeps. > >Sorry, but I think your are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it >builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately >had had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you >did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would >probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to >*winging it*. With the numbers quoted (4000 hives at 150lbs honey each) and given the amount of wax I would expect of about 2 percent. (based on my own very small operation) Which is a total yield of 12,000lb of wax. So, if with this 'crappy' website he sold all or nearly all of his wax what is the point of having a better site developed if you don't have any more product to sell? And so what if he could sell more. Money isn't everything to everyone. -Tim Article 33619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey supers Date: 10 Oct 2002 12:01:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0210101101.689bca7@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.103.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034276471 13217 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2002 19:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2002 19:01:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33619 Have you considered going to another beekeeper to have your extraction done, or rent the equipment for him or her? (Beekeeping is so much more enjoyable when you can have a jar of honey on your table and something to share with your friends.) To answer your questions: 1) There is no harm to the bees, but as they move up and consume the honey during the winter, they leave lots of open cells. Then when the queen begins laying in the spring, she may decide the super is a good place to start. 2) There are exceptions, but the bees usually won't get the swarming urge late in the season. They'll just fill the top with honey, force the queen downward and limit her egg production. Nuc. "James Avila" wrote in message news:... > I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern > California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. > I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about > six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. > I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of > uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I > was going to let the bees have this first harvest. > > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have > already removed the queen excluder) > 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to > prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are > still quite warm here) > > Thanks much! > James > avila.35@charter.net Article 33620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:20:18 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <95vbqusc29i39akd3ljciv6v8octda7748@4ax.com> References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.aranel.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1034288002 3871 62.136.119.68 (10 Oct 2002 22:13:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2002 22:13:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33620 Nasty and offensive little person this one! >OH!!! So you made that piece of crap web site! (if it can even be called >that) Mathematically, it is always better to use a merchant account if you >are doing any kind of business at all! >Don't quit your day job, because you suck at web design. >BiG Orange Article 33621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:27:07 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.119.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1034288410 28164 62.136.119.68 (10 Oct 2002 22:20:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2002 22:20:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33621 Not necessarily. Here is Sussex we seem to have had a very mixed picture. Some keepers report very bad crops, others very good ones. Seems no rhyme or reason. I do note the bees are still out and working. Gorse and other plants still in flower with unusually high temps for the time of year. On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC), Bumble wrote: >So the supers should be off and extracted by now so how are the yields? >In Brixton, South London I have averaged 45lb per hive. Not brilliant but >neither was the weather. Some friends have had 90lb per hive, maybe I >looked at the bees too often? Article 33622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: big orange Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:30:18 +0100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <20021010064557.14788.00000381@mb-mf.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.119.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1034288601 28164 62.136.119.68 (10 Oct 2002 22:23:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2002 22:23:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33622 Shame we seem to have attracted a bad one - obviously nothing better to do than attack other people. Big orange - Freud? Sad little man. On 10 Oct 2002 10:45:57 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: >This cyber geek needs to get a real life! >Actually, I am not stupid enough to disclose who I really am like you, >He really means "man enough" Article 33623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Honeyhouse" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1034291784 24.147.172.21 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:16:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:16:24 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:16:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33623 BiG Orange writes: "If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately had had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would probably do more business." Gee there "BiG Orange" You won't happen to be a unemployed Web designer would you? Article 33624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:21:20 CDT Message-ID: <3DA626D7.33ED220F@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:18:15 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: big orange References: <20021010064557.14788.00000381@mb-mf.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Trace: sv3-dscu7ReBouLjTpQO9Cr8DgAhRi3LRt8hXoh31PcZhxJA3jah1XXbHg+tcRFCJmHnW0JoMFmhEzfIW5j!1Q9SI8xnfnA8y3USAuyKdTtkPnl6Ve9eIGaKsoafz/4Ekl0jTzMRuv+1TyZiVzDSooPE X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33624 Steve Newport wrote: > > Shame we seem to have attracted a bad one - obviously nothing better > to do than attack other people. Big orange - Freud? Sad little man. > Yes, and do you not realize what attracts these critters? Attention, that's what. Ignore a troll and it turns into a green stinking vapor and dissipates. It feeds on attention - don't you all think its about time to starve it??? AL Article 33625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 37 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Oct 2002 00:25:45 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Message-ID: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33625 >With the numbers quoted (4000 hives at 150lbs honey each) and given >the amount of wax I would expect of about 2 percent. (based on my own >very small operation) Which is a total yield of 12,000lb of wax. > >So, if with this 'crappy' website he sold all or nearly all of his wax >what is the point of having a better site developed if you don't have >any more product to sell? > >And so what if he could sell more. Money isn't everything to >everyone. > Actually Tim hit it right on the head. We produce around 9,000 lbs. of candle/cosmetic grade wax. The rest is definitely for foundation. I have to buy the rest locally from smaller beekeeps who produce around 1000lbs. each. Unfortunately not all beekeeps are meticulous with their beeswax and often comes out rather dark or with the aroma cooked out. So sellable bulk beeswax is sometimes hard to come by at a decent price. Most of those that produce beautiful beeswax are already getting top dollar from their local candlemakers. Most of my business comes by word of mouth. Alot of my customers come look at the site and e-mail me directly for large orders. Right now I do put everything I make back into my business save for what it takes to live of course. How else do you think you get and take care of 600 hives. Bulk Honey production is my mainstay. Everything else is a bonus. Besides if you melt and pour beeswax all day..when would you beekeep. Thanks to everyone for their kind words and to that other one... well I'll just let that be. We just got Roadrunner in our little town and I've got some surfing to do;) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Oct 2002 00:40:17 GMT References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Message-ID: <20021010204017.02089.00000762@mb-fc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33626 Why do we feed trolls? Article 33627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:19:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3da626cf.269755754@news1.radix.net> References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> <20021010204017.02089.00000762@mb-fc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip178.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33627 On 11 Oct 2002 00:40:17 GMT, wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: >Why do we feed trolls? Because we like to watch them stick their foot in their mouths until it comes out their ass! beekeep Article 33628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:28:59 CDT Message-ID: <3DA652D0.E0C043AA@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:25:52 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> <20021010204017.02089.00000762@mb-fc.aol.com> <3da626cf.269755754@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Trace: sv3-oANIFGx+EhzIbbEfX+ULmKAmIhVwoyboyjc2CKjwU4IBcIu87rXE93hDI5wTJAGka9Fh5OhXRm1AjXm!zOdmnphXj8tG2LH+IwyzBNaJzZ+u1tudWN3dQDr8Sb7PJ4HZZfBsDL0SnGnj2Lk3d4Ic X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33628 beekeep wrote: > > On 11 Oct 2002 00:40:17 GMT, wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: > > >Why do we feed trolls? > > Because we like to watch them stick their foot in their mouths until > it comes out their ass! > > beekeep (Interesting image) Or, we like to keep them around like little mutants in a maze? We feed them a line and they go off in one direction snorting and screaming, then we prod them with another line and they twist & squeal and head off in another direction, over & over till they're all bug eyed, sweating and yelling obscenities. I dunno, somehow I still think we'd be better off starving them till they turn into a stinking green vapor and blow away. AL Article 33629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:09:08 -0500 Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:09:46 +1300 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <121020021009468167%user@host.domain> References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> <20021010204017.02089.00000762@mb-fc.aol.com> <3da626cf.269755754@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 12 Oct 2002 10:08:57 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 14 X-Trace: sv3-fUUPRL37kJ6OIXQOajbBBWLDCWAj9bNEk92gqe9GhRL2gvpezpjFOaL6/PSl2+nzsuhmoVWPn4OVSLH!cMaYLcx5f90uQL9VtTCprfgceqrq9sZjuWyj6oBzT5Jv+h8IhoWDokSDR3AtqQ7G+VQt3RO/FQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33629 > > >Why do we feed trolls? > > Because we like to watch them stick their foot in their mouths until > it comes out their ass! > Why do I so often get a balanced view of a slanging match like this ;-) My teenage daughter is into webpage design - she is in the jellybelly/BigO camp. Myself, I prefer Robt's style for the product and market it is aimed at. Horses for courses. I just wish they wouldn't make so much noise, it distracts us from the proper business of this ng... Article 33630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:50:22 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.12.182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1034373205 62.255.12.182 (Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:25 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33630 "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:ohvbqu4tsis0n5gp01h4mdg2jqg9krgulh@4ax.com... > I do note the bees are still out and working. > Gorse and other plants still in flower with unusually high temps for > the time of year. > Does gorse produce much nectar? There are acres of it here. Tim W Article 33631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:29:10 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.25.248.54 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1034407753 15834 62.25.248.54 (12 Oct 2002 07:29:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2002 07:29:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33631 'Fraid not! Pollen though. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:pLHp9.1836$w1.251186@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:ohvbqu4tsis0n5gp01h4mdg2jqg9krgulh@4ax.com... > > I do note the bees are still out and working. > > Gorse and other plants still in flower with unusually high temps for > > the time of year. > > > Does gorse produce much nectar? There are acres of it here. > > Tim W > > Article 33632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:48:08 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.97.150 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1034408786 26688 217.134.97.150 (12 Oct 2002 07:46:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2002 07:46:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33632 I'm from rural Devon. I had a hive in a valley with 80+ but most (I'm also high up) had 20/30 or so. Mixed is the word I think down here, some good weather but not good enough. My bees get gorse in the spring (though I'm in a willow area really) but what they really like, the malicious little tykes, is ivy. It does seem to be a plant the bees get to work more often these days. I tried extracting some ivy honey last year - the books are right, it's simply foul, stinks the place out and leaves the tanks needing umpteen washes to get rid of the taint. Aviod is an understatement. I think looking at the bees, tearing them apart effectively, must disrupt them. Trouble is some has to be done. Peter Hearnden "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:ohvbqu4tsis0n5gp01h4mdg2jqg9krgulh@4ax.com... > Not necessarily. Here is Sussex we seem to have had a very mixed > picture. Some keepers report very bad crops, others very good ones. > Seems no rhyme or reason. > I do note the bees are still out and working. > Gorse and other plants still in flower with unusually high temps for > the time of year. > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC), Bumble > wrote: > > >So the supers should be off and extracted by now so how are the yields? > >In Brixton, South London I have averaged 45lb per hive. Not brilliant but > >neither was the weather. Some friends have had 90lb per hive, maybe I > >looked at the bees too often? > Article 33633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Thomas Porschberg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thickness of the hive wall Date: 12 Oct 2002 17:25:14 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362f8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: news.online.de 1034437329 20632 217.3.98.248 (12 Oct 2002 15:42:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2002 15:42:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33633 I'm reading a book from brother Adam about the style of beekeeping in the monastery of Buckfast. He claims that the thickness or better isolation of the hive material is of no significant importance for the bees. His position is: A hive built from thin wood is as good as a hive built from styropor. Bees in a "cold" wood hive have a steeper development in spring and you can earn as much honey as from "warm hive bees". What is the common experience ? My bees live in styropor hives of type "Segeberger" and I can not complain(I think a advatage is their lightweightness), but I think it is a interesting topic. Article 33634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:21:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034482909 24.159.179.14 (Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:21:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:21:49 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33634 I don't care if you have 1 million pounds of honey, your site still looks like bee poopies. BiG Orange Article 33635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Give New Definition to......... Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:22:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034482935 24.159.179.14 (Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:22:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:22:15 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33635 Breaking it off in her! BiG Orange Article 33636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American literature Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:04:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1034514257.560171@savina> References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33636 for some overviews of north american beekeeping and more see http://www.beesource.com/ http://www.cyberbee.net/ http://hive-mind.com/bee/ "Thomas Porschberg" wrote in message news:m33crjigem.fsf@redrat.quark.de... > I'm a German hobby beekeeper and interested > in English literature about beekeeping from > a non German point of view for two > reasons, first to learn how it works (which hives, > breeds are spreaded ...) and second to train > my English. > Suggestions are very welcome ! Article 33637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DeLux! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re: The Texasdrone Message-ID: References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:16:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.128.213.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1034529382 68.128.213.227 (Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:16:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:16:22 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33637 one killfile, comin' up. On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:21:49 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> shared: >I don't care if you have 1 million pounds of honey, your site still looks >like bee poopies. > > >BiG Orange > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "My Mother used to tell me, 'In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh, so pleasant.' I recommend pleasant. You can quote me on that." Elwood P. Dowd -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= alt.binaries.pictures.poultry & sci.agriculture.poultry Article 33638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thickness of the hive wall Date: 13 Oct 2002 16:18:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0210131518.1f7e7ec3@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.118.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034551119 20733 127.0.0.1 (13 Oct 2002 23:18:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Oct 2002 23:18:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33638 Thomas Porschberg wrote in message news:... > I'm reading a book from brother Adam about the style > of beekeeping in the monastery of Buckfast. > 3/4" is the usual thickness here in the UK except for modified commercial hives which are 7/8" (due to the short ends on the brood frames)I would suggest that it depends on the lugs that are on the frames that you use, otherwise not much to choose. Article 33639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:19:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034576377 24.159.179.14 (Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:19:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:19:37 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33639 "bjms" wrote in message news:u6nvpu454bl28bmkk7ghel5tlbrr48n0bo@4ax.com... > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: > > >I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid > >bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. > >Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes > >around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I > >learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance > >guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. > >Idiots. > > > > > >BiG Orange in Tennesse > > I just caught a queen bee (probably not though) > > does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid (Spray yourself) > > I really did catch one (Doubt you are smart enough) > > around the body and is 3" long. (You must be looking elsewhere) > > Any thoughts (never under estimate the power of stupid people in a > group) > > I am not a beekeeper, (We understand) > > > learned some stuff (what stuff?) > > while they were migrating. (you need a vacation, go to Florida > orange) > > Just a reminder of who started trolling first....... BiG Orange Article 33640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how can i export or sell my honey to european countries or other countries Date: 14 Oct 2002 03:37:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5542a326.0210140237.6eb01a0b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.219.144.39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034591879 3395 127.0.0.1 (14 Oct 2002 10:37:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 2002 10:37:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33640 i am a beekeeper and live in iran. i have good honey and i wanna to sell and export them to a country in european community or others.i don't have sufficient information about it please help about it. Article 33641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:05:36 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034593539 22458274 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!opentransit.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33641 Peter Hearnden wrote: > My bees get gorse in the spring (though I'm in a willow area really) > but what they really like, the malicious little tykes, is ivy. It > does seem to be a plant the bees get to work more often these days. I > tried extracting some ivy honey last year - the books are right, > it's simply foul, stinks the place out and leaves the tanks needing > umpteen washes to get rid of the taint. Aviod is an understatement. So that is what I had this autumn!! I thought it was Heather as it was thixotropic and a pig to extract, looks ok but smells and tastes horrible, also it clogged the fine strainer up with lumps of jelly. I am hoping that the smell will fade if I make mead out of it. NB I am in the south (Aldershot) and have averaged just over 100Lbs per hive this year, the early stuff was some of the best honey I have had in years. Ben. Article 33642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:28:21 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.147.40 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1034598395 14868 62.136.147.40 (14 Oct 2002 12:26:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 2002 12:26:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33642 "Ben Smith" wrote in message news:aoe8e2$ldbt2$1@ID-141806.news.dfncis.de... > Peter Hearnden wrote: > > > My bees get gorse in the spring (though I'm in a willow area really) > > but what they really like, the malicious little tykes, is ivy. It > > does seem to be a plant the bees get to work more often these days. I > > tried extracting some ivy honey last year - the books are right, > > it's simply foul, stinks the place out and leaves the tanks needing > > umpteen washes to get rid of the taint. Aviod is an understatement. > > So that is what I had this autumn!! > I thought it was Heather as it was thixotropic and a pig to extract, looks > ok but smells and tastes horrible, also it clogged the fine strainer up with > lumps of jelly. Doesn't sound quite right, but near enough. > I am hoping that the smell will fade if I make mead out of it. I'd feed it back, they like it. > NB I am in the south (Aldershot) and have averaged just over 100Lbs per hive > this year, Grrrrrr :) (based on spring count or last autumn?) >the early stuff was some of the best honey I have had in years. And mine. The best spring stuff is holly - a brilliant honey not often seen. > Ben. > > Article 33643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: foxrichard@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee-keeping in Albuquerque-Santa Fe area Message-ID: <3daaca5f.739870@netnews.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.115.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034602913 12.88.115.224 (Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:53 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33643 I would like to make contact with hobbyist bee keepers in the Albuquerque-Santa Fe area. Richard Fox Article 33644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:46:53 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.16.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1034610233 62.255.16.164 (Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:43:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:43:53 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33644 Peter Hearnden wrote: > I > tried extracting some ivy honey last year - the books are right, > it's simply foul, stinks the place out and leaves the tanks needing > umpteen washes to get rid of the taint. Aviod is an understatement. > I bought some honey some years ago in Northern France which turned out to be uneatable. Whiteish set honey with the most astonishing farmyard smell. The taste was much too strong to eat. It was labelled 'Miel de Bocage' meaning hedgerow honey. I wonder if that was ivy. Tim W Article 33645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:43:16 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.241.189 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1034617290 3180 217.134.241.189 (14 Oct 2002 17:41:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 2002 17:41:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33645 It's supposed to be whitish and looking sugary, that of mine which had set in comb was, though en masse it wasn't. Mind you pure dandilion honey smells as you describe but tends to be rougher grained. You could try burying it at a seaside resort, it might do wonders for the reputation of it's air. "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:ZCBq9.13481$345.654304@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net... > Peter Hearnden wrote: > > > I > > tried extracting some ivy honey last year - the books are right, > > it's simply foul, stinks the place out and leaves the tanks needing > > umpteen washes to get rid of the taint. Aviod is an understatement. > > > I bought some honey some years ago in Northern France which turned out > to be uneatable. Whiteish set honey with the most astonishing farmyard > smell. The taste was much too strong to eat. It was labelled 'Miel de > Bocage' meaning hedgerow honey. I wonder if that was ivy. > > Tim W > > Article 33646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: bjms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Give New Definition to......... Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:39:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1034649592 24.64.223.206 (Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:39:52 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:39:52 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33646 Go away fool. On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:22:15 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >Breaking it off in her! > > >BiG Orange > Article 33647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Perry Applewhite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Bee Feeding Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:51:57 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.88.225.228 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1034650035 216.88.225.228 (Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:47:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:47:15 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!slurp.net!newsrouter1.slurp.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33647 Should I feed my bees in the winter? We live in North Texas and usually have pretty mild winters Article 33648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Bee Feeding Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:10:33 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034683835 23578272 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!opentransit.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33648 Maybe the easiest answer would be to check to see if they have plenty of stores available. This can be done by lifting your hive to get a weight estimate. Here in Ohio we try to go into winter with at least two deeps. The top deep should be full of stores. If we have a mild winter which may allow bees to move about on warmer days we would require more stores for them to consume. On the other hand it stay cold we are somewhat better off as they won't need as much. I do not know what Texas winters are like but you should be able to contact someone locally to give you some suggestions of what preparations are needed to make it through your dearth months whether it be cold or warm. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Perry Applewhite" wrote in message news:TkLq9.4888$tp2.1869770@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Should I feed my bees in the winter? We live in North Texas and usually have > pretty mild winters > > Article 33649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:15:21 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2$4sVOAZXyq9EwYI@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> <3D7B4CE4.A95E9D6E@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1034685105 22075 193.237.253.225 (15 Oct 2002 12:31:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:31:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33649 In article , Steve Newport writes >OK, but WHY do they buy it. What are they doing with it? >Who, what type of company in the UK would buy propolis? To make propolis ointment and tincture - look in any health food shop. I can get you details of an excellent Cornish company making superb ointments based on beeswax and various essential oils if you want. -- James Kilty Article 33650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling Propolis Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:19:26 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9PNuJTAObyq9EwbN@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <20020909152115.20402.00002967@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1034685108 22075 193.237.253.225 (15 Oct 2002 12:31:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:31:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33650 In article <20020909152115.20402.00002967@mb-fs.aol.com>, Lazurus106 writes >Greeting Kinsman, > I called Beehive Botanicals and they are offering $4-6 per pound I didn't >bother asking what the differance was between. Not worth the work to save it I >think the lot will get pitched on the flower bed > Course if you consider that the wholesale price is $7.90 an once, just who >are they kidding. Maybe we need to set up a coop and get a little of our own. I have a friend who makes superb propolis ointment and he buys it in the form of a white powder. I believe there is an issue of quality (cleanliness and purity). To get it to food or cosmetic quality it should be of the highest quality. This means setting up the hive to get it like that, then processing it to get it to the correct standard. I imagine they would take out the pollen and wax as well as bee s**t and bits. -- James Kilty Article 33651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Bee Feeding Date: 15 Oct 2002 05:55:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210150455.4067283c@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034686538 21968 127.0.0.1 (15 Oct 2002 12:55:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 2002 12:55:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33651 "Perry Applewhite" wrote in message news:... > Should I feed my bees in the winter? We live in North Texas and usually have > pretty mild winters Feeding is done whenever the bees lack sufficient stores, when you are stimulating brood production, and when you are drawing comb on foundation. Are your hives light? Article 33652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d98b553_5@news.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: 19mm timber Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:32:20 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3dac5032$0$9447$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1034702898 news.dial.pipex.com 9447 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33652 what they mean is 3/4inch, like the 460mm used to be 18" (National overall size) 225 is national deep - or 9" and national super is 150mm (6 inches). National hives were designed by a carpenter not a beekeeper (I think, anyway) so use any that is about the right thickness; I use 18mm osb (sterling board) from wickes - it is cheap, lasts well, and comes in 8'x 4' sheets (sorry 2440 x 1220mm sheets!). it is rather heavy; or use similar sized waterproof ply. enjoy making your hives; you just have to adjust the dimensions slightly to accommodate the 1mm discrepancy; the improtant thing is the internal dimensions, get them right and it will be fine. also keeping things square and flat..... so there are no gaps between the boxes when you stack them. A Article 33653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: 15 Oct 2002 19:15:05 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20021010202545.17367.00001026@mb-mu.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.134 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33653 On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:21:49 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >I don't care if you have 1 million pounds of honey, your site still looks >like bee poopies. Definately not a beekeeper. Nothing better than coming home from work and seeing bee poop all over, especially in the middle of winter. A good sign your bees are alive and well, and it was warm enough for them to do their business, fending off dysentary and the like for another few weeks. -Tim Article 33654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Selling Propolis Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:17:36 +1300 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <161020021017362452%user@host.domain> References: <20020909152115.20402.00002967@mb-fs.aol.com> <9PNuJTAObyq9EwbN@kilty.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 16 Oct 2002 10:17:02 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 17 X-Trace: sv3-FGegBQgR4haGWfTZV/Rbh01wvXn1J1eD4buuhn2QOr7/306tHFQyUnTp4u2Qm57vJHJxPICr4vHFSHY!IhooDrJKRoWMli3XZmqGw88mKY5n2H/Fn9T9truoV7Nqj2RJXEa3jmjVN1EokGJie4U9o6iBMQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33654 James Kilty claimed: > I have a friend who makes superb propolis ointment and he buys it > in the form of a white powder. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Propolis as gathered by bees is a yellowish-brown sticky substance. It is gum or resin from trees & herbs. White propolis has surely been bleached. Powdered propolis has surely been subject to some industrial process. > I believe there is an issue of quality > (cleanliness and purity). To get it to food or cosmetic quality it > should be of the highest quality. This means setting up the hive to get > it like that, then processing it to get it to the correct standard. I > imagine they would take out the pollen and wax as well as bee s**t and > bits. simplest method: dissolve it in alcohol, then filter Article 33655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sumy.commerce Subject: ðòïäáåí óáèáò ðï 2.35 úá ô é úáðþáóôé ë ôòáëôïòáí äåûåçï Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:17:16 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-81.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1034756478 94283 195.64.233.81 (16 Oct 2002 08:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2002 08:21:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.161.0.15!newsfeed.rt.ru!rt.ru!image.surnet.ru!surnet.ru!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70308 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33655 sci.agriculture.fruit:4329 sci.agriculture.poultry:40406 sci.agriculture.ratites:1840 ïòçáîéúáãéñ ðòïäáåô óáèáò ðï 2.35 úá ôïîîõ. Âïìøûïê áóóïòôéíåî á÷ôïôòáëôïòîùè úáðþáóôåê é òåíëïíðìåëôï÷. Article 33656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: otto.slavik@gems9.gov.bc.ca (Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ...just out of curiosity.... Date: 16 Oct 2002 14:47:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.22.16.51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034804874 8348 127.0.0.1 (16 Oct 2002 21:47:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2002 21:47:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33656 ...what do bees do with the wax, cappings, when they consume their supply during the winter?....can they recycle it somehow?...digest it?... do they discard it perhaps?....it must amount to a considerable amount....if anyone knows.... ...please let me, or us know....Thanks....OS Article 33657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: ...just out of curiosity.... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3DAEB7EF.FB140E42@NOSPAMboeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:15:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33657 They reuse it in other areas of the hive. Cappings for brood as there is usually some brood in the hive through the winter. Billy Smart Rock, KS Otto wrote: > > ...what do bees do with the wax, cappings, when they consume their > supply during the winter?....can they recycle it somehow?...digest > it?... do they discard it perhaps?....it must amount to a considerable > amount....if anyone knows.... > ...please let me, or us know....Thanks....OS Article 33658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...just out of curiosity.... Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:57:17 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034863038 25108878 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33658 Otto wrote: > ...what do bees do with the wax, cappings, when they consume their > supply during the winter?....can they recycle it somehow?...digest > it?... do they discard it perhaps?....it must amount to a considerable > amount....if anyone knows.... > ...please let me, or us know....Thanks....OS If you have a screened bottom to your hive you will get a lot of the smaller pieces falling through, I suspect that if they have no immediate use for it then they will just remove it as they do with other hive debris (watch how they remove paper after you have combined 2 hives). Ben. NB if you have many hives then it may be worth collecting the trash from below the screens to recover the wax from, 1 or 2 hives probably will not loose enough to be worthwhile. Article 33659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dominic-Luc Webb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:56:38 +0200 Organization: Stockholm University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mbox.ki.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.su.se 1034963802 32191 130.237.98.110 (18 Oct 2002 17:56:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@su.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2002 17:56:42 GMT In-Reply-To: Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.su.se!mbox.ki.se!domweb Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33659 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Allen Dick wrote: > > It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic > acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say > "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". I do HPLC separation of various cellular metabolites, including OA. It is reasonably H2O soluble. Injection and elution buffers are aqueous. Cheers, Dominic-Luc Webb North 59 37' 30" East 17 48' 10" Article 33660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and allergies Date: 18 Oct 2002 18:12:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0210181712.59d1c0d8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034989975 15334 127.0.0.1 (19 Oct 2002 01:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 2002 01:12:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33660 I had someone tell me that eating local honey is benficial for people who have pollen allergies. Is this true? Chris Article 33661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and allergies Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:31:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3db0c3cf.307748183@news1.radix.net> References: <1cfa704.0210181712.59d1c0d8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip146.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33661 On 18 Oct 2002 18:12:55 -0700, drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote: >I had someone tell me that eating local honey >is benficial for people who have pollen >allergies. Is this true? > >Chris Yes. beekeep Article 33662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:17:10 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-079.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33662 Yah right! and if you were a web site professional you would also relise that 80% of the "Profesional"web sites on the web are out of the box! If you are for real then prove it! lets see some of your work! But then what are you afraid of? If you do web sites for a living then why aren't you trying to get our bussness... or havn't you heard the saying " you can catch more flies with honey than with viniger" I am not a web site designer as a profession and I have built a few comercial sites for friends and others... but there is too much compitition to do it as a full time Job. I just put you in the loosers clolume that gets your jollies by coming in here and bitching at us because you have nothing better to do... "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:G9hp9.17191$PS1.1816048@kent.svc.tds.net... > REVISED! > > Sorry, but you are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it > builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately > had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you > did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would > probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to > *winging it*. Your business site is not the place to LEARN HTML! > > Sorry, but I'm not buying your fairy tale story. Sounds like B.S. to me. > > If you are doing so well, you might want to try what other business owners > do, put money back into your business. Of course, if you are not really > doing well you have none to put back into it. > > BiG Orange > > Article 33663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and allergies Date: 19 Oct 2002 10:14:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210190914.5fd6a163@posting.google.com> References: <1cfa704.0210181712.59d1c0d8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035047662 15670 127.0.0.1 (19 Oct 2002 17:14:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 2002 17:14:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33663 drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote in message news:<1cfa704.0210181712.59d1c0d8@posting.google.com>... > I had someone tell me that eating local honey > is benficial for people who have pollen > allergies. Is this true? > > Chris All the evidence points to the fact that local raw honey helps with allergies however all the evidence is anecdotal. Perhaps you can convince some multinational drug company to spend a few million on research to verify something that they can't patent or profit from. Article 33664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: honey supers Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:58:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1035068335 12.81.126.130 (Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:58:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:58:55 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33664 Oct 1 is my target date for Apistan. I only treat once/year. Sounds like you may be in an area with Yellow Star Thistle, which goes until Oct here in N. Calif. It can result in a good late summer yield. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "James Avila" wrote in message news:uq9j9dl1bnss25@corp.supernews.com... > I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern > California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. > I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about > six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. > I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of > uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I > was going to let the bees have this first harvest. > > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have > already removed the queen excluder) > 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to > prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are > still quite warm here) > > Thanks much! > James > avila.35@charter.net > > > Article 33665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: leggsafton@aol.com (LeggsAfton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Oct 2002 01:43:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: doing a split in Mid Oct Message-ID: <20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33665 Just was given a buckfast queen and figure will do a split into a nuc box and feed heavy to save it. Not much in way of brood or eggs this late in season. Any suggestions on introducing at this time of year? Article 33666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Oct 2002 01:56:10 GMT References: <20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-fu) Subject: Re: doing a split in Mid Oct Message-ID: <20021020215610.15746.00001100@mb-fu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33666 In article <20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com>, leggsafton@aol.com (LeggsAfton) writes: > >Just was given a buckfast queen and figure will do a split into a nuc box and >feed heavy to save it. Not much in way of brood or eggs this late in >season. > Any suggestions on introducing at this time of year? > > Do it. It will teach you a lesson that is usually is not worth the effort. The split will need a lot of pollen frames. Bob Pursley Article 33667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: doing a split in Mid Oct Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:08:31 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-502.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33667 you could always use the queen as a replacment... if you have one in a hive that did not fair so well this summer... maybe killing the old maid off and put this new one in if she is that valuable.... just a thought "LeggsAfton" wrote in message news:20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com... > Just was given a buckfast queen and figure will do a split into a nuc box and > feed heavy to save it. Not much in way of brood or eggs this late in season. > Any suggestions on introducing at this time of year? Article 33668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: doing a split in Mid Oct Date: 21 Oct 2002 14:08:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210211308.8bc7ec9@posting.google.com> References: <20021020214349.09913.00003045@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035234519 7088 127.0.0.1 (21 Oct 2002 21:08:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:08:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33668 If I were forced into such a late split it would be on top of a strong hive with a double screen between them and a candy board on top. Article 33669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: suttles@icu2.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Requeening Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:47:53 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-050.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33669 Try CF Koehnen & Sons, Inc. Their website is www.koehnen.com they have great bees. They sell carnolian queens. They are great tempered bees. Almost completely tame. Good Luck Doug On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:18:52 GMT, "Ccdrogan" wrote: >Seen alot of stuff suggesting fall requeening is good... some saying it >isn't... > >I know you can still get queens from betterbee... not sure if they offer >Carnolians > > >"Terry Newton" wrote in message >news:Mmyh9.336$w44.16510@sooner.brightok.net... >> I was wondering if anyone requeens in the fall? Does anyone around sell >> Carnolians for fall requeening? Would it be better to wait till spring. >> >> Terry >> terryn@fullnet.net >> >> > Article 33670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in the news Lines: 11 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:43:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1035319393 68.65.40.201 (Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:43:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:43:13 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33670 http://dentistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa101002.htm -- ================ Scott Mattes Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws Article 33671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thickness of the hive wall Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:56:22 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1035359855 11449 194.222.100.90 (23 Oct 2002 07:57:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:57:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33671 In article , Thomas Porschberg writes >His position is: A hive built from thin wood >is as good as a hive built from styropor. >Bees in a "cold" wood hive have a steeper >development in spring and you can earn as much honey >as from "warm hive bees". I run hundreds each way, and I can assure you this is not in keeping with my experience (in Scotland). If I could afford it at this time I would convert the lot over to the polystyrene and have a big fire of the wooden ones. The wintering performance is vastly better, with losses far lower, and spring strength much better. This is comparing like with like too, as we have both wooden and polystyrene Langstroth hives. The honey production point is a little less obvious until you really do the sums. The spring growth of the wooden hives does indeed seem to be faster, with an earlier start to breeding, but suddenly the polystyrene ones get going and overtake the wooden ones. In 2002 we had a really good wintering in the polystyrene ones, but pretty modest in the wooden. Losses were a pretty high 18% in the wooden ones, but only 4% in the polystyrene. The strength of the wooden ones was on average about three bars of bees less. The wooden ones were not of adequate bee power to work the rape, and indeed were still being boosted between colonies right up until late June. The polystyrenes were ready to go right from the first flowering of the rape. (This proved an academic issue here this year as there was virtually no crop anyway due to poor weather) The polystyrene ones mostly gave a split in May, which refilled many of the wooden ones, plus an increase in numbers on the polys. These were back to splitting strength again in late June and needed further attention to prevent swarming. About 30% of them were split again at this time. Their recovery rate from splitting is tremendous, and very few of them went on to the heather below production strength. We are still extracting, and thus far we find the polystyrenes running at around 29Kg of heather each, and the woodens at around 23Kg. Not seemingly a big difference, but if you take into account the fact that around 20% of the woodens are actually splits from the polystyrenes, and that the polystyrenes themselves gave further increase, and draw a line back to last autumn, then every wooden hive put down to last winter went on to average 18Kg of heather, whilst those in polystyrene account for 37Kg. Slightly more than double. Previous measures in 1999 and 2000 gave similar results, whilst 1998 was even more remarkable insofar as the parent polystyrenes (this was only a small experimental unit at this time) alone averaged double that of the wooden hives, plus they gave an average of two splits each whose crops were not even added in to their average. 2001 went somewhat against the trend as there was a severe dearth of nectar on the heather, and the increased brood rearing in the polys caused increased stores consumption and the bees then needed fed earlier than those in wood. In the end they all got a bit, but crop (after deduction of summer feeding) was only slightly (10%) higher in the polys. Much of the early season effort in these hives appears to be devoted to brood rearing and colony development, and spring crop can be surprisingly poor. No worse than wooden hives for sure, but less than you would expect. I do not keep apiary by apiary statistics for blossom honey, but there is always less on the polystyrenes than you would expect. Summer harvests such as phacelia and spring rape do show them up well though, with them filling deep supers quickly as well as putting on a lot of 'condition' for the heather crop to come. Bro. Adam was operating in a different climate from ourselves, however there are also some merits in his statements. US boxes are markedly thinner than their British equivalent, so much so that you can struggle get 10 US frames into a British box, yet there is apparently no difference in the wintering or summer performance of these. About 30% of our wooden Langstroths will be on US boxes and they perform exactly the same as the thicker UK ones. -- Murray McGregor Article 33672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Hamblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fondant Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:01:49 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-572.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33672 Wanting to feed my bee's a bakers product call "Fondant". Understand it is in the form of crisco and plan on putting it under the inter lid for winter feeding.. Any one tried this or know anything about it. fifoking@innova.net Article 33673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Winter Bee Feeding Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:15:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.47.222.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1035425743 4.47.222.231 (Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:15:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:15:43 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!1b6a651e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33673 Many folks around No. Texas winter their bees in one deep and one medium. Naturally, the hives should be heavy with honey packed in the medium and some in the deep. Mine are a mixed bag of one deep and either one or two mediums depending on the strength of the hive. I have gotten really light hives through winter by feeding about every two weeks in a frame feeder with some dry sugar above the inner cover. (Lost some too...) Jim "Perry Applewhite" wrote in message news:TkLq9.4888$tp2.1869770@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Should I feed my bees in the winter? We live in North Texas and usually have > pretty mild winters > > Article 33674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ARNAL Anouk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rencontres Volubilis -Le vent, le paysage- Avignon (F) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:04:08 +0200 Organization: Association VOLUBILIS Lines: 130 Message-ID: <3DB9EA07.6E3B5018@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: a.volubilis@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: amarseille-202-1-6-130.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1035594314 29672 80.15.106.130 (26 Oct 2002 01:05:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 2002 01:05:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33674 Rencontres Volubilis -Le vent, le paysage- Avignon (F) Sébastien GIORGIS, président de Volubilis a l'honneur de vous informer du colloque *le vent, le paysage* vous pouvez diffuser cette information dans votre réseau, MERCI ! ------------------------------------------------------- VOLUBILIS Réseau européen pour líenvironnement et les paysages 3èmes RENCONTRES EUROMÉDITERRANÉENNES DE VOLUBILIS **LE VENT, LE PAYSAGE** 5, 6 et 7 décembre 2002 - AVIGNON (France) http://www.volubilis.org Avec le parrainage d'ARTE, et du Programme des Nations Unies Pour l'Environnement (PNUE) ------------------------------------------------------- " L'air , c'est l'imagination en mouvement " nous dit Gaston Bachelard . Aborder la question des paysages europeens et mediterranéens par leur rapport au vent, c'est affirmer qu'il est vivant, animé par cette seule force dynamique affranchie de la gravité terrestre. Le vent modèle le paysage, dévaste ou crée la vie, à travers la propagation des graines, la production díénergie, la transmission de sons, díodeursÖ Dans tous les cas, cet élément fait partie intégrante du paysage, que ce soit dans líespace vécu du site ou dans ses représentations. Considérant le rôle déterminant du vent dans le paysage, plusieurs axes de réflexion ont été dégagés et animeront 4 tables rondes d'une demi-journée : ** Líhomme et le vent, avec líintervention de Jacques LACARRIERE, écrivain voyageur, de Valérie JACQ ingénieur à Météo France, et díHonorin VICTOIRE, journaliste et écrivain. ** La vie, líart et le vent, ou comment la dynamique du vent participe à líélaboration de créations spatiales et paysagères spécifiques, avec le paysagiste Gilles CLEMENT, le plasticien Rémi DUTHOIT, Marie LANSAC artiste-plasticienne "Haies utopiques et fondées" * Le vent et le projet de territoire, avec Vittoria CALZOLARI, architecte urbaniste (Italie) Jellal ABDELKAFI , paysagiste et urbaniste (Tunisie), Gérard GUYOT, directeur de recherche au CNRS, Stéphane MAHAUD, géographe, président d'association Regard de géographe, Eric DELBOULBE, société Optiflow (simulation des écoulements aéroliques) ** Líénergie et le vent, sur la question paysagère soulevée par l'arrivée des éoliennes dans les paysages : avec Jacques CLOAREC, sociologue et chercheur à líEHESS, un représentant díEOLE-RES (développeur de parcs éoliens) Bruno Alain CIVEL, sec. gén. de la Fondation "Energie pour le monde " Jean-Pierre Besombes-Vailhé*, chargé de projet à líAME LR et la présentation d'exemples Italiens et Espagnols. *********** Díautres manifestations complètent la programmation : ** CINEMA : (jeudi 5 décembre) une soirée spéciale Joris IVENS, réalisateur hollandais, un des plus grands documentariste du siècle deux des ses films projetés intègrent la problématique du ventÖ En partenariat avec líAMDA (Agence Méditerranéenne de Développement Audiovisuel) et Arte. ** MUSIQUE, ARTS plastiques, animations diverses avec la mobilisation díartistes qui interviendront sur líespace public avignonnais, et des démonstrations de cerf-volants **EXPOSITIONS : - « le parc du vent, la confluence Avignon Ö », Projet conçu par Nathalie Rolland, Paysagiste diplômée de l'ENSP. - Machines à vent conçues par des élèves du lycée F. Mistral. ------------------------------------------------------- Programme détaillé et bulletin d'inscription téléchargeable sur : http://www.volubilis.org CONTACT : Renseignements et inscription : Béatrice TEXIER VOLUBILIS Un lien entre les hommes et les territoires (Association loi 1901) 3 rue Damette F-84000 AVIGNON - tél. : 00 33 (0)4 90 14 42 98 - fax : 00 33 (0)4 90 14 42 91 mailto:a.volubilis@wanadoo.fr Article 33675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MD (USA) Hearings on Live Bee Imports Oct 29th Date: 25 Oct 2002 22:14:18 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 82 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-011.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.98 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33675 Just in time for Halloween, something scary... On Tuesday, Oct 29th, there will be a public hearing at the Beltsville, MD USDA facility starting at 9am to review the risk assessment associated with New Zealand and Australia's requests to market queens, packages, and germplasm to US beekeepers. Now that people alleged to have been practicing their marksmanship in the area no longer have access to a rifle, it may be possible for those in the area to consider attending, if for no other reason than to show that beekeepers are aware of the issue, and care about bee pests, bee diseases, and USDA decisions regarding them. Instructions about how to get there are here: http://www.ba.ars.usda.gov/loc/location.html (The only trick is to remember to take US 1 NORTH off the Beltway, not US 1 South. After that, it's easy.) Any person attending the meeting may "register at the door" before 9 am to speak their mind on the issues at hand, but this discussion is not about "trade" or "economic" issues. This hearing is focused solely on pests, diseases, and the risks posed by queens and packages bees being shipped from the other side of the planet, direct to the beekeeper without any port of entry inspection. One must do one's homework before contributing one's thoughts to the discussion, as the issues are complex. But there is some potential good news in all this. The "good news" is that the USDA may now be receptive to the idea that existing paperwork requirements for germplasm imports do nothing but delay scientific progress, and what is needed is a standard protocol for the requests of legitimate researchers, rather than the current ad-hoc "case-by-case" multi-year maze that scientists are forced to navigate. The bad news is that the prospective live-bee exporters at hand happen to live fairly near to Tropiaelaps and the Cape Bee, and want to sell live bees to anyone who will pay in US dollars (overwhelmingly voted the most popular currency on the planet every year for over two centuries). So, we have suspense, drama, high-stakes poker over international trade, newly-written WTO sanitary standards yet to be field-tested anywhere, a delicate blend of epidemiology, entomology, epistemology, and etymology, plus Latin and Greek names for pests so obscure that most of us cannot even pronounce their names! (Of course, not long ago, "Varroa destructor" and "Aethina tumida" were also nothing more than obscure pests on the other side of the planet with difficult to pronounce names...) If you can't come to the meeting, and you are a US citizen, you can send your comments to: regulations @ aphis.usda.gov using "Docket No. 98-109-1" in the subject line. No attachments allowed, plain text only, just like this discussion group. Include your name and postal address to verify that you are a US Citizen. Comments will be accepted until Nov 18, 2002. (Multiple entries per person and household permitted. No purchase required to enter. Offer void outside the United States. Odds of winning depend on the total number of eligible entries received, and the merit of each argument offered. Citizens, employees, or agents of "New Zealand", "Australia", and their respective parent companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, licensees, directors, officers, agents, independent contractors and advertising/promotional agencies, the members of their immediate families, or those persons living in the same household of such individuals are ineligible to enter. Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Wear your seatbelts. Do not remove this tag under penalty of law. Close cover before striking match.) jim Article 33676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Don Essary" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Keepers in the OKC/Shawnee area Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5KCu9.7347$VJ5.397755@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:16:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.111.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1035663361 12.86.111.166 (Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:16:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:16:01 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33676 I'm looking for some people keeping bees around Shawnee or to the OKC area or any bee clubs available. thanx, Don Article 33677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: German, Italian, Greek... beekeepers. Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:32:50 +0100 Lines: 56 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C27DDE.DF9AC8B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.100 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.100 Message-ID: <3dbc1531@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1035736369 212.166.131.100 (27 Oct 2002 17:32:49 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!news.airtel.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33677 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C27DDE.DF9AC8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a page on a experiment label in five languages, English, = French, Spanish, Danish and Catalonian. I am looking for some German, Italian, Greek beekeepers that are = willing to translate ( collaborate) the label into their native = language. Take a look at the page: http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/etiquetae.htm Again, any suggestion will be appreciated. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C27DDE.DF9AC8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a page on a experiment = label in =20 five languages,  English, French, Spanish, Danish and=20 Catalonian.
I am looking for some German, Italian, = Greek =20 beekeepers that are willing to translate ( collaborate)  the = label=20 into their native language.
Take a look at the page:
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Again, any suggestion will be=20 appreciated.
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C27DDE.DF9AC8B0-- Article 33678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> From: "David C. Heinsohn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Lesson Learned Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:12:57 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.240.130.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1035739092 199.240.130.132 (Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:18:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:18:12 GMT Organization: NTT/Verio Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33678 Hello All I'm a complete beginner as the following story will make clear. Even while it was happening I thought it a bit funny if painful. Last weekend I suited up to take a good close look at my two new hives. One started from a queen and bees in late May the other started from a NUC consisting of a full deep in June. As I knew I was going to go all the way through both hives I made it a point to carefully suit up, tuck my pants into my boots and ensure that the vail was tied on with no gaps. My inspection was going more or less as planned until will into the second hive. I was looking at some of the frames on the lower deep when I felt a sting on an inner thigh. I thought one had managed to get through the denim of my jeans. I finished up the inspection and walked away to let things calm down. It took several min. before there were few enough bees still hanging around me to go inside. The bottom line is DON'T wear Levi 501 jeans while working with bees!!!! (For those more fashion blind than I, 501's have button flies!) The little ladies made a very unlady like entrance and proceeded to get me about 1/2 doz. times. There is a white set of coveralls in our future! I've recovered and learned my lesson, hope some of you get a smile out of my story. David Heinsohn -- People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf......George Orwell. Article 33679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:20:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip151.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33679 On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:12:57 -0600, "David C. Heinsohn" wrote: >Hello All > > I'm a complete beginner as the following story will make clear. Even >while it was happening I thought it a bit funny if painful. > > Last weekend I suited up to take a good close look at my two new >hives. One started from a queen and bees in late May the other started >from a NUC consisting of a full deep in June. As I knew I was going to >go all the way through both hives I made it a point to carefully suit >up, tuck my pants into my boots and ensure that the vail was tied on >with no gaps. > My inspection was going more or less as planned until will into the >second hive. I was looking at some of the frames on the lower deep when >I felt a sting on an inner thigh. I thought one had managed to get >through the denim of my jeans. I finished up the inspection and walked >away to let things calm down. It took several min. before there were >few enough bees still hanging around me to go inside. > The bottom line is DON'T wear Levi 501 jeans while working with >bees!!!! (For those more fashion blind than I, 501's have button >flies!) The little ladies made a very unlady like entrance and >proceeded to get me about 1/2 doz. times. There is a white set of >coveralls in our future! > > I've recovered and learned my lesson, hope some of you get a smile out >of my story. > >David Heinsohn > > >-- >People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand >ready to >do violence on their behalf......George Orwell. > > Just imagine the Amish beekeepers. They don't were white or use zippers! beekeep Article 33680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "maxh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:27:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.126.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1035779270 165.121.126.41 (Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:27:50 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:27:50 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33680 Hi there, question from a 'wanna-be' bee-keeper: Why are the overalls white and not another color? Any particular reason for it? Max beekeep wrote in message <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net>... >On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:12:57 -0600, "David C. Heinsohn" > wrote: > >>Hello All >> >> I'm a complete beginner as the following story will make clear. Even >>while it was happening I thought it a bit funny if painful. >> >> Last weekend I suited up to take a good close look at my two new >>hives. One started from a queen and bees in late May the other started >>from a NUC consisting of a full deep in June. As I knew I was going to >>go all the way through both hives I made it a point to carefully suit >>up, tuck my pants into my boots and ensure that the vail was tied on >>with no gaps. >> My inspection was going more or less as planned until will into the >>second hive. I was looking at some of the frames on the lower deep when >>I felt a sting on an inner thigh. I thought one had managed to get >>through the denim of my jeans. I finished up the inspection and walked >>away to let things calm down. It took several min. before there were >>few enough bees still hanging around me to go inside. >> The bottom line is DON'T wear Levi 501 jeans while working with >>bees!!!! (For those more fashion blind than I, 501's have button >>flies!) The little ladies made a very unlady like entrance and >>proceeded to get me about 1/2 doz. times. There is a white set of >>coveralls in our future! >> >> I've recovered and learned my lesson, hope some of you get a smile out >>of my story. >> >>David Heinsohn >> >> >>-- >>People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand >>ready to >>do violence on their behalf......George Orwell. >> >> >Just imagine the Amish beekeepers. They don't were white or use >zippers! > >beekeep > > > Article 33681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: If thou wilt have the favour of thy bees Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <2a7v9.101$P55.33308@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:55:52 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.44.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1035796222 213.105.44.200 (Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:10:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:10:22 GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!peernews.cix.co.uk!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33681 Having received replies to several novice's questions here I offer you for your amusement a little snippet I found in an old bee book. If thou wilt have the favour of thy bees that they sting thee not, thou must avoid such things as offend them: for impurity and sluttishnesse (themselves being most chaste and neat) they utterly abhore: thou must not come among them smelling of sweat, or having a stinking breath, caused either through eating of Leekes, Onions, Garleeke, and the like; or by any other meanes: the noisomenesse whereof is corrected with a cup of Beere: and therefore it is not good to come before them before you have drunke: thou must not be given to surfeiting and drunkenesse: thou must not come puffing and blowing unto them, neither hastily stir among them, nor violently defend thy selfe when they seem to threaten thee; but softly moving thy hand before thy face, gently putting them by: and lastly, thou must be no Stranger unto them. In a word, thou must be chaste, cleanly, sweet, sober, quiet, and familiar: so will they love thee and know thee from all other. From Butler's Feminine Monarchie quoted by Tickner Edwardes in The Lore of the Honey Bee, 1908. Tim W --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/02 Article 33682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:21:15 -0000 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035800477 1898075 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33682 maxh wrote: > Hi there, > question from a 'wanna-be' bee-keeper: > Why are the overalls white and not another color? Any particular > reason for it? > Max Yes, Bees tend to attack dark objects far more than light ones, you do not need white, I am sure primrose or pale pink would do if you are so inclined, however overalls tend to come in blue, green, or white as standard, of these white is by far the best to avoid upsetting the bees. Ben. NB ensure that it is cotton or polycotton, nylon of any colour will upset the bees. (as will wool) Article 33684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Plans Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:21:32 -0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035822092 2356269 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:968 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33684 Can anyone help me? I am looking for plans for building a Commercial brood body, currently I am using converters on National bodies, however that limits me to 10 frames, I would like to build the full size bodies over winter but cannot find either the plans or a book with plans. Does anyone have a source ? Thanks. Ben. Article 33685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Plans Date: 28 Oct 2002 17:46:18 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.97 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:969 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33685 On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:21:32 -0000, "Ben Smith" wrote: >Can anyone help me? >I am looking for plans for building a Commercial brood body, currently I am >using converters on National bodies, however that limits me to 10 frames, I >would like to build the full size bodies over winter but cannot find either >the plans or a book with plans. >Does anyone have a source ? >Thanks. >Ben. > > See http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm. Why do they limit you to 10 frames. I frequently use 2 deeps (20 frames), 3 mediums (30 frames) or a mix of the two. -TIm Article 33686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:37:00 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33686 > however overalls tend to come in blue, green, or white as standard, of these > white is by far the best to avoid upsetting the bees. > Ben. > NB ensure that it is cotton or polycotton, nylon of any colour will upset > the bees. (as will wool) Not true. I use wqhite nylon most of the time without problems with the bees. Another old wife's tale. Regards Dave... Article 33687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry References: Subject: Re: Stop the extinction... 402 Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8cmv9.32643$Mb3.1396626@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:16:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.94.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1035857796 12.77.94.72 (Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:16:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:16:36 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70406 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33687 sci.agriculture.fruit:4346 sci.agriculture.poultry:40684 hmmm... got to love these half formed propaganda pieces. What species is GUARANTEED extinction because of the 4000, square meter area around the mine? or is it a small minnow from one of the proposed small dams to prevent flooding? What is the assumption here... pollution? destruction of habitat? Maybe a wild grass only found here? Details.... please... or go away. I am assuming the .5 million + pounds from the company to be spent by local environment groups is unable to save this species? http://www.mcleaninternationalmining.com/pages/press.htm Before I send email to a company about what they are doing I need far more details than you bothered to give. Since it is a UK company, mining in the UK, isn't this mostly a problem for the UK? Not that I am unconcerned if there are legitimate concerns here.... but I certainly can't tell that in the blurb you posted. And you didn't give any links to places with more complete information. John wrote in message news:dy9v9.7288$xX6.4790@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... > Please read this itll only take you a minute - it could be your local area next...! > The corporations are at it again, this time focussing their attentions on a small part of the SW of England. A large international mining company claims to have found platinum in the UK and in their quest for money are going to extinquish at least 1 species from our planet. Butterflies, birds, small mammals, fish and even some plants are at risk from extinction if this corporate monster is not stopped. > > Please, please, please send as many emails as you can to register your views at info@mcleaninternationalmining.com - like i said, it could be your area next... > > Thanks > Harry > P.A.W.E > wtfxyypuifivbssvpwguryfnrlnnckfwhjdumblcertxmkvcycnfsetflvgkfqtkbbfkzjvyldlo okfxbnjegbnojyceyerztdgl > Article 33688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone brood removal Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:08:25 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33688 I have recently been made aware of an alternative drone brood removal method and in a friendly spirit of co-operation thought I would write it up for all to consider. I should point out, this is not my idea, but it has great merit. Early spring, go through the hive and remove as much drone comb as possible. This is to concentrate the drone production in an area you can control. In the centre of the brood area add a shallow frame holding either drawn worker or worker foundation. This will cause an area below the shallow frame to be empty of comb. The bees will now proceed to fill this area with drone comb, eggs will be laid and drones will be produced. As soon as they're capped over, take a sharp knife and cut off the extended comb. Replace the frame and repeat as many times as felt necessary throughout the season. If you stop and think this one out it makes sense. It can be done anytime during the season, even with honey supers on, the only onerous part would be lifting supers off. It will attract free Varroa, reducing them to manageable numbers, preventing all that summer damage. The only point I would criticize. A hive without drones does not perform well. Removing 'all' drones would create an imbalance which might be detrimental to the hive's well being. How about leaving a portion at either end to allow just a few drones to mature? Constructive comments anyone. Regards Dave...-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Eyre The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, RR#2, Orillia. ON. L3V 6H2 705-326-7171 www.beeworks.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 33689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Oct 2002 04:02:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Drone brood removal Message-ID: <20021028230223.03974.00001289@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33689 Hi, We have been working with a combination of SMR queens, screen bottoms and drone foundation. To date the first two seem to be controling things so that we have not yet had enough of a mite problem (or havn't got past the first two ) I regularly thru the summer checked the drone wax frames before freazing the rest and never found more than 2-3 mites per hundred drone larva. So something is working I just am unsure which it is. I have noticed that while it is easy for the bbe's to raise enough drones on the drone foundation they continue to raise drones all thru the hive mostly in repaired spots or corners per there normal behavior. there still seem to be enough drones about. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 33690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:57:25 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035885444 2759653 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33690 David Eyre wrote: >> however overalls tend to come in blue, green, or white as standard, >> of these white is by far the best to avoid upsetting the bees. >> Ben. >> NB ensure that it is cotton or polycotton, nylon of any colour will >> upset the bees. (as will wool) > > Not true. I use wqhite nylon most of the time without problems with > the bees. > Another old wife's tale. > Regards Dave... Not quite an old wife's tale, I have had problems with nylon, however it does depend on the humidity, if it is humid then nylon is probably no trouble, it is in dry conditions when it can build up quite a high static charge, this can upset the bees in the same way that an electrostatic venom collection tray can. Ben. Article 33691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:16:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3dbe6de3.148529401@news1.radix.net> References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip176.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33691 On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:37:00 -0500, "David Eyre" wrote: > > >> however overalls tend to come in blue, green, or white as standard, of >these >> white is by far the best to avoid upsetting the bees. >> Ben. >> NB ensure that it is cotton or polycotton, nylon of any colour will upset >> the bees. (as will wool) > >Not true. I use wqhite nylon most of the time without problems with the >bees. > Another old wife's tale. > Regards Dave... > > > me too beekeep Article 33692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:30:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1035934219 24.159.179.14 (Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:30:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:30:19 CST Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33692 http://www.texasdrone.com nominated for worst of the web today! BiG Orange Article 33693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: otto.slavik@gems9.gov.bc.ca (Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Date: 30 Oct 2002 11:46:30 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.22.16.51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036007190 17381 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2002 19:46:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 19:46:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33693 "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:... > http://www.texasdrone.com nominated for worst of the web today! > > BiG Orange. .....why?...please give some reason or criteria for your nomination..... Article 33694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:28:49 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1036027799 209.239.173.174 (Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:29:59 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:29:59 PST Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33694 BiG Orange wrote: > > http://www.texasdrone.com nominated for worst of the web today! > > BiG Orange Looks like a perfectly reasonable site to me. Free of ads, blink tags, and extraneous content. Well laid out and easy on the eyes. Granted, it's not something done by a design firm that gets big bucks for this kind of thing, but quite competently done for all of that. It may have been nominated, but it certainly wasn't selected. It looks like BiG Orange hasn't bothered to munge his/her headers, so forwarding his/her posts to abuse@tds.net should get to the right people who can decide if their TOS is being violated. Cheers, Rick Article 33695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Drone brood removal Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:21:54 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1036050228 159.134.156.239 (Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:43:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:43:48 GMT Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-xfer.cox.net!zen.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33695 Be careful, what you have produced is a hatchery for varroa mite, the comb should be removed before ANY of the cells have hatched. An alternative method is to insert a brood cell divided into two or three sections, each section progressively filled with drone comb starters. As each section becomes sealed it is removed so that what you should finish with is 1 section empty ( comb and brood just removed). 1 section with comb drawn and eggs laid 1 section with open brood, The weekly examination allows for no drone brood to hatch, and varroa to be removed Ruary Rudd "David Eyre" wrote in message news:urrram30i28oec@corp.supernews.com... > > The bees will now proceed to fill this area with drone comb, eggs will be > laid and drones will be produced. As soon as they're capped over, take a > sharp knife and cut off the extended comb. Replace the frame and repeat as > many times as felt necessary throughout the season. > > If you stop and think this one out it makes sense. It can be done anytime > during the season, even with honey supers on, the only onerous part would be > lifting supers off. It will attract free Varroa, reducing them to manageable > numbers, preventing all that summer damage. > > > Constructive comments anyone. > > Regards Dave...-- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > David Eyre > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, RR#2, > Orillia. ON. L3V 6H2 > 705-326-7171 > www.beeworks.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Article 33696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how can i export or sell my honey to european countries or other countries Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:56:38 -0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0210140237.6eb01a0b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.57.95 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1036101955 4872 217.135.57.95 (31 Oct 2002 22:05:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2002 22:05:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33696 I have to ask why. Honey generally sells for a much higher price in Arabic countries than it does in Europe - perhaps 3 to 4 times as much. "farid" wrote in message news:5542a326.0210140237.6eb01a0b@posting.google.com... > i am a beekeeper and live in iran. i have good honey and i wanna to > sell and export them to a country in european community or others.i > don't have sufficient information about it please help about it. Article 33697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:01:24 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.57.95 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1036101957 4872 217.135.57.95 (31 Oct 2002 22:05:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2002 22:05:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33697 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/Fondant.htm -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "John Hamblin" wrote in message news:ap7d9b025cd@enews4.newsguy.com... > Wanting to feed my bee's a bakers product call "Fondant". Understand it is > in the form of crisco and plan on putting it under the inter lid for winter > feeding.. Any one tried this or know anything about it. > > fifoking@innova.net > > Article 33698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 From: stevebowtie@yahoo.com References: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:20:44 GMT X-Newsreader: News Rover 8.0.2 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Message-ID: <3dc1c604_7@goliath.newsgroups.com> Lines: 6 X-Authenticated-User: $$aVKSMaJJZ X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!goliath.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33698 Please don't start this again, BiG. -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- Article 33699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone brood removal Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:33:29 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.168.1.165!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33699 "Ruary Rudd" wrote in message news:Ua5w9.25500$zX3.66315@news.indigo.ie... > Be careful, what you have produced is a hatchery for varroa mite, the comb > should be removed before ANY of the cells have hatched. > An alternative method is to insert a brood cell divided into two or three > sections, each section progressively filled with drone comb starters. As > each section becomes sealed it is removed so that what you should finish > with is Hi Ruary, It goes without saying, remove the sealed cells before anything emerges. I believe I did write something like 'as soon as it's capped over .....cut off the extended comb'. I like your idea, just a bit time consuming and I would venture easier to miss a date and screw it all up? Regards Dave.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Eyre The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, RR#2, Orillia. ON. L3V 6H2 705-326-7171 www.beeworks.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 33700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:29:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1036121340 24.159.179.14 (Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:29:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:29:00 CST Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33700 > forwarding his/her posts to abuse@tds.net should get to the right people > who can decide if their TOS is being violated. > > Cheers, > > Rick Hey Rick, are you a nerd? Were you the kid in school that always had on the tattle tail? I don't think the posts violates and TOS for any ISP's. People like you are what makes it hard for Admins to weed out real problems. They are not there to mediate silliness. BiG Orange