Article 33540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:47:12 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Oct 2002 14:48:08 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.82.81 X-Trace: 1033476488 news1-2.free.fr 11867 62.147.82.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news1-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33540 Hi everybody, According to my beekeeper good book the maximum peripheral speed for a radial extractor should be 10 meters per second. My 9 frame extractor is .48 meter diameter large so the perimeter of the circle is Pi * .48 = 1.5 meter. To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 RPM . cqfd The maximum speed must be reached progessively to prevent com breakage. :-)) apipop hobbyist french beekeeper :-)) Rob Graham wrote: > "George Styer" wrote in message > news:... >> I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a >> motor on. I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear >> down.Anyone know what the maximum RPM should be? > > A 6 frame radial must be pretty small and there is a danger of going > so fast that the force on the frames will break the comb - that is > what you are after. I hand cank my maxhine which is an 18 framer and > approx. 600mm in dia. at it's fastest at 2-3 revs of the handle per > sec. into a 4:1 drive so that's 60 x 4 x 2.5 say revs per minute = 600 > rpm very best. Occasionally a comb breaks but that's usually a pretty > duff comb anyway. > > I've thought on a number of occasions about 'electrifying' my machine, > but yields in recent years here in Scotland have not justified it. > One thing that I am very aware of is that the start up load with 18 > full frames is pretty hefty and that a motor with a very good low > speed torque characteristic would be required. I've a motor/worm > gearbox assembly that will probably do the job but that is the sort of > thing that you will need in my opinion. > > Rob Article 33541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:03:51 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033477433 13425617 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33541 6.67 RPM? Where a revolution is 1.5 meters? 6.67 * 1.5 = 10 meters per MINUTE so, for 10 meters per SECOND, multiply by 60 = 400.2 RPM "apipop" wrote in message news:3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 RPM Article 33542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:02:43 +0200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3d999d1c$0$17452$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Oct 2002 15:03:24 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.80.41 X-Trace: 1033477404 news2-2.free.fr 17452 62.147.80.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news2-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33542 Sorry for the error, You should read : To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = > 6.67 RPS = 60 * 6.67 = 400 RPM . cqfd apipop apipop wrote: > Hi everybody, > According to my beekeeper good book the maximum peripheral speed for a > radial extractor should be 10 meters per second. > My 9 frame extractor is .48 meter diameter large so the perimeter of > the circle is Pi * .48 = 1.5 meter. > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = > 6.67 RPM . cqfd > The maximum speed must be reached progessively to prevent com > breakage. > > :-)) apipop hobbyist french beekeeper :-)) > > Rob Graham wrote: >> "George Styer" wrote in message >> news:... >>> I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a >>> motor on. I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear >>> down.Anyone know what the maximum RPM should be? >> >> A 6 frame radial must be pretty small and there is a danger of going >> so fast that the force on the frames will break the comb - that is >> what you are after. I hand cank my maxhine which is an 18 framer and >> approx. 600mm in dia. at it's fastest at 2-3 revs of the handle per >> sec. into a 4:1 drive so that's 60 x 4 x 2.5 say revs per minute = >> 600 rpm very best. Occasionally a comb breaks but that's usually a >> pretty duff comb anyway. >> >> I've thought on a number of occasions about 'electrifying' my >> machine, but yields in recent years here in Scotland have not >> justified it. One thing that I am very aware of is that the start up >> load with 18 full frames is pretty hefty and that a motor with a >> very good low speed torque characteristic would be required. I've a >> motor/worm gearbox assembly that will probably do the job but that >> is the sort of thing that you will need in my opinion. >> >> Rob Article 33543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: 1 Oct 2002 07:10:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com> References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033481459 15397 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2002 14:10:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:10:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33543 Richard Hyde wrote in message news:<3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com>... > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > fund the beekeeping? > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > hobby more for the bees than the product :) > > Cheers, > > Rick FWIW around here on the other coast the food banks/soup kitchens have a hard time getting fresh foods. Canned boxed processed foods seem to be in good supply. Article 33544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: 1 Oct 2002 12:59:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3d99d460$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.24.102 X-Original-Trace: 1 Oct 2002 12:59:12 -0400, 141.219.24.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33544 Richard Hyde wrote: > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > fund the beekeeping? > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > hobby more for the bees than the product :) Well, you know, you can easily get $6/lb for it. Just put it up in 8 oz. jars, price it at $4/jar ($1 is for the jar and lid), and take it to your day job to sell to co-workers. That's what my wife has been doing with it, it sells like hotcakes. Your 63 lbs will bring you about $378, and it is just about the right amout to sell at a workplace with about 20 - 50 employees (a few people are likely to buy as much as 5 lbs apiece to use as christmas presents, if our experience is any indication). And the thing is, *they will be happy to pay it, and will treat you as if you are doing them a favor!* And meanwhile, that $378 will keep you in hive parts and mite treatments for quite a while. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 33545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:34:19 -0600 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> <3d999987$0$11867$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-107.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.86) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033500863 13636820 209.115.174.86 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-107.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33545 My Kelleys are set to run at anywhere from 210 to 240 RPM at the end of the cycle, depending on the season and the resulting thickness of the honey and presence or absence of granulation. The reels are 1.42 metres in diameter and thus, 4.6m in circumference. To achieve 10m/s, the extractor would run at 10 / 4.6 = 2.1 revs a second, or 130 RPM. That speed -- 130 RPM -- is achieved in my machines at the five minute mark in a fifteen minute cycle. IMO, although 10 metres per second is a good beginning speed, it is far too slow a top speed for normal moisture honey in strong combs in our region. About 18.5 mps would be more appropriate in my view. Additionally, in a small radial machine, the part of the frame near the centre would be moving much more slowly and -- although the honey at the top bars might come out OK -- poor extraction would occur near the bottom bars. Due to the steeper stress gradient in a small radial, and resulting lower stress on the bottom bar area compared to a large radial, I would think that 20 mps would not be excessive. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > 6.67 RPM? Where a revolution is 1.5 meters? > > 6.67 * 1.5 = 10 meters per MINUTE > > so, for 10 meters per SECOND, multiply by 60 = 400.2 RPM > > To get the 10 meter per second speed you have to run at 10 / 1.5 = 6.67 > RPM Article 33546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey bears Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:35:23 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-755.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33546 I was wondering if anyone knew were I can get my hands on about 2 -3 dozen honey bears cheap? If anyone has a good source please share it? Brian Article 33547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:06:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip166.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33547 I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? beekeep Article 33548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:42:34 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-115.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.94) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033522939 14059395 209.115.174.94 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-115.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33548 > I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with > mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether > roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this > whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? See http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm It has also been featured in German bee mags, AFAIK. Your comment is very interesting. I wonder, how did you do the application? Did you see any drop? allen Article 33549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Oct 2002 02:20:08 GMT References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Message-ID: <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33549 >I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >whole thing be an internet hoax? Was the hive vaporized for a three minute period and then sealed for ten minutes after? Article 33550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rubes@infostations.com (Janet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: starthistle honey, does it granulate in containers Date: 2 Oct 2002 04:41:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.44.202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033558902 25223 127.0.0.1 (2 Oct 2002 11:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2002 11:41:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33550 Hi, for the first time, we are extracting starthistle honey (about 150 pounds), which is very light. I don't want to make the same mistake as I did with the Alfalfa Honey. We put it in a 60# closed pail with a honey bung, just to have it harden up. It took forever to gently heat via the sun to liquify it enough to remove it to glass jars. Does anyone know if starthistle honey granulates easily and if it does, how do you bulk store it? Thanks, Janet Article 33551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:53:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip162.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33551 On 02 Oct 2002 02:20:08 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: >>I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >>mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >>roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >>whole thing be an internet hoax? > >Was the hive vaporized for a three minute period and then sealed for ten >minutes after? > > I made a ceramic dish with an electric coil in it. This was attached to a tapered board that fit into the entrance with the wires through it. It was inserted into the hive and a battery hooked up for 3 minutes. It was left in place for another 15 minutes. When removed all the oxalic acid was gone. I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. beekeep Article 33552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:20:12 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> <23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033564813 14457758 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33552 I donated to a couple of food banks in the past. The only issue I had was when one of the banks wanted a "GOOD TILL DATE" on the bottle. Unfortunately they didn't like my reply, It was good to the last drop! Unfortunately, they would except any, while others were more than happy to receive it. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0210010610.7d3d858b@posting.google.com... > Richard Hyde wrote in message news:<3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com>... > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > > > fund the beekeeping? > > > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > > > > I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive > > this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the > > hobby more for the bees than the product :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rick > > FWIW around here on the other coast the food banks/soup kitchens have > a hard time getting fresh foods. Canned boxed processed foods seem to > be in good supply. Article 33553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 3 Oct 2002 12:00:31 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz X-GC-Trace: gv1-GH07NyOtG7Bi6ZOGdB7cjZoPaj2imyOrsLLvF7t1jaiEMwHGg== NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:00:34 CDT Lines: 24 X-Trace: sv3-cxU1u8c8DBcqR/dcaRGZLNvnAhr7sxDgHLvHeqgsZ+00yHAzMvnLwg7FHd9bvJCVVKWI7W6Endoyg4j!tUteTAKlsYT69Cq7PtAPEAxQ3899WZEk3a5scKODNXCcPkDl5ReMLeGUmUrDyYF2+h+4UTpP X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:00:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33553 In article <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: > > I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to > monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were > found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. > When & how did you sticky board test? Sticky board in for 24hrs before, then another board for 24hrs after treatment, then again for 24hrs a week after treatment? and the same in another hive nearby with no treatment. http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm shows some curves of treatment efficiency indicating it takes 8 - 10 days for this treatment to kick in. This tallies entirely with my experience with the dribbling method. It certainly doesn't knock 'em down on the spot like Apistan or Bayvarol. I think, but can't put my finger right now on chapter & verse, it is systemic, ie. the bees have to eat it, then the mites die from sucking bee blood laced with oxalic. Article 33554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1033610638 24.158.195.26 (Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:03:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:03:58 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!198.108.1.146.MISMATCH!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33554 I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. Idiots. 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Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:35:20 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.225.183 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033637239 144.134.225.183 (Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:27:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:27:19 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70216 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33556 sci.agriculture.fruit:4324 sci.agriculture.poultry:40016 sci.agriculture.ratites:1838 You were saying ???????????????? Matt "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" wrote in message news:angn7f$5ea$3@app0.visti.net... > ïòçáîéúáãéñ ðòåäìáçáåô úáðáóîùå þáóôé ë ôòáëôïòáí é ëïíâáéîáí ðï ïðôï÷ùí > ãåîáí. > óï óëìáäá ÷ ëéå÷å. ÷ïúíïöåî âáòôåò îá ó/è ðòïäõëãéà. > avantag@visti.com > > > Article 33557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Date: 3 Oct 2002 10:44:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0210030944.258bf413@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.103.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033667077 1989 127.0.0.1 (3 Oct 2002 17:44:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2002 17:44:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33557 It sounds to me like you have some kind of hornet or wasp. No honeybee is 3 inches long, and it's rare that the queen is out of the hive. (A mating flight or swarming are the normal exceptions to this.) This time or year wasps are producing many queens which mate and then find a place to go dormant for the winter. (Under some tree bark, a pile of leaves, etc.) In the spring they emerge and start a new colony of wasps. Nuc. "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:... > I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid > bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. > Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes > around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I > learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance > guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. > Idiots. > > > BiG Orange in Tennessee Article 33558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:04:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip184.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33558 On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:00:35 GMT, Peter Kerr wrote: >In article <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net>, beekeep > wrote: >> >> I placed an express mail envelope like a sticky board into the hive to >> monitor the dead mite drop. No more mites than normal drop were >> found. Ether roll tests confirm this finding. >> > >When & how did you sticky board test? >Sticky board in for 24hrs before, >then another board for 24hrs after treatment, >then again for 24hrs a week after treatment? >and the same in another hive nearby with no treatment. > >http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". >shows some curves of treatment efficiency indicating it takes 8 - 10 >days for this treatment to kick in. This tallies entirely with my >experience with the dribbling method. It certainly doesn't knock 'em >down on the spot like Apistan or Bayvarol. That curve shows a 30% Effiocy at the 1 day point and 80% at 8 days. >I think, but can't put my finger right now on chapter & verse, it is >systemic, ie. the bees have to eat it, then the mites die from sucking >bee blood laced with oxalic. This is very possible. While I saw no difference over 10 days with 1.4 grams I saw a little difference today with 3 grams. Results so far as follows: 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min and sealed hive for another 15 min. 10/1 12.9 B/M 10/2 10.6 B/M 10/3 18.25 B/M I'll keep all posted. beekeep Article 33559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd swarmlike behavior Date: 3 Oct 2002 16:32:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033687921 23289 127.0.0.1 (3 Oct 2002 23:32:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2002 23:32:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33559 About 15 yds from a dozen hives stands an apple tree where there were a small cloud of bees somewhat like a small swarm that never really settled down. It was near noon and overcast in Southeast CT USA today with small rain showeres. Any ideas? Article 33560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:34:22 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-207.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.133) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033702441 15616771 209.115.174.133 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-207.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33560 > It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". Yeah, I saw that and figured it was a translation error. I've been wondering about it for some time now, and it is interesting that you mention it. > 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min... You say 'burned'. Is that the same as 'evaporate', or can OA actually burn -- and not evaporate? allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd swarmlike behavior Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:38:16 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.100.67 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1033713507 15372 217.135.100.67 (4 Oct 2002 06:38:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 2002 06:38:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33561 It may have been a swarm (possibly a mating swarm) where the queen remained in the hive for some reason - perhaps she has deformed wings and is unable to fly. The swarm would not settle and would eventually return to the hive. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0210031532.345dc76@posting.google.com... > About 15 yds from a dozen hives stands an apple tree where there were > a small cloud of bees somewhat like a small swarm that never really > settled down. It was near noon and overcast in Southeast CT USA today > with small rain showeres. > Any ideas? Article 33562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sumy.commerce,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.auto,ukr.commerce.chemical,ukr.commerce.construction,ukr.commerce.energy,ukr.commerce.estat Subject: ëõðìà óáèáòîùê âõòñë !!!! Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:17:47 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-152.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1033717356 28017 195.64.228.152 (4 Oct 2002 07:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 2002 07:42:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70227 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33562 sci.agriculture.fruit:4325 sci.agriculture.poultry:40036 sci.agriculture.ratites:1839 ïòçáîéúáãéñ ëõðéô óáèáòîùê âõòñë äï 300 ô Article 33563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:01:04 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1033722347 14515 158.38.51.37 (4 Oct 2002 09:05:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:05:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33563 beekeep wrote: > >http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm > > It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated > "Oxalic acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for > use say "Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". The original german text (available on the same web site) says that oxalic acid is not "wachslöslich" ie. is not absorbed into the WAX!! Don't let others' finger problems affect a balanced judgement. Use of oxalic acid with one or other delivery method does appear to work, many beekeepers in europe are using it and have used it for several years. The real questions are does it work well enough and what method of delivery is safe (for the bees and the beekeeper) and effective (both in terms of mite kill and beekeeper effort). Interestingly enough one of the possible breakdown products of oxalic acid is formic acid. Any chemists that can explain under what circumstances this breakdown product can be expected? Tony Morgan ------------------------------------------------ Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 33564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:31:37 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3D9D7C19.825D269C@iet.hist.no> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1033731381 17115 158.38.51.37 (4 Oct 2002 11:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:36:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33564 Anthony Morgan wrote: > Interestingly enough one of the possible breakdown products of oxalic > acid is formic acid. Any chemists that can explain under what > circumstances this breakdown product can be expected? I should have read further, elsewhere on the same site the following information can be found (not all in the same place however): When heated, about half of the oxalic acid decomposes into harmless carbon dioxide and water. The amount of formic acid produced is about 1 % of the weight of the vaporised acid. The remainder of the oxalic acid precipitates in a fine dust throughout the hive. So it seems as though oxalic vaporising is NOT an indirect formic acid treatment. Tony Morgan ----------------------------------------------------- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 33565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:17:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3d9d85fb.268397533@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip174.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33565 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:34:22 -0600, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> It's hard to put any faith in an article like this one that stated "Oxalic >acid is not water soluble" and the container instructions for use say >"Disolve contents in 1 gallon of hot water". > >Yeah, I saw that and figured it was a translation error. I've been >wondering about it for some time now, and it is interesting that you mention >it. > >> 9/30 E. Roll 14.5 Bees/Mite Burned 3 grams in 3 min... > >You say 'burned'. Is that the same as 'evaporate', or can OA actually >burn -- and not evaporate? > >allen >http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > > > I don't know that evaporate is the correct term either. When heated OA gives off a gray smoke. I explained how I did it earlier with an electric coil. beekeep Article 33567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:37:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip191.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33567 Todays (10/4) ether roll 3 mites/136 bees!! Maybe this stuff does work. beekeep Article 33568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:58:54 CDT Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:59:30 +1200 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <051020021059308307%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <20021001222008.21961.00006171@mb-dd.aol.com> <3d9aeb15.97687555@news1.radix.net> <031020021201167126%user@host.domain> <3d9caedf.213334242@news1.radix.net> <3D9D58D0.C2EBCBEE@iet.hist.no> <3D9D7C19.825D269C@iet.hist.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 5 Oct 2002 10:58:51 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 16 X-Trace: sv3-1hABGDDtSsfOuXa2F6QiWurFNsqw6Oll/vQ6nEDqp80A9Wrn3+p4mKQRy3ydz1TSSMoNkKKxwU9EWCp!OZCzsvq3iX5stIqyCiTy9Egx3d2a6qJUdn4N2pT1HcslkuyEZBPx5ZP1ROCncNPueTPu1Ug= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33568 > > When heated, about half of the oxalic acid decomposes into harmless > carbon dioxide and water. The amount of formic acid produced is about 1 > % of the weight of the vaporised acid. The remainder of the oxalic acid > precipitates in a fine dust throughout the hive. > When I read that I assumed that the oxalic could not act as a vapour, like eg. formic or acetic. The "fine dust" would fall into bee & larvae food, and on the bees themselves, which they would ingest while grooming & comb cleaning. But I still haven't tracked down a reference to the systemic action of oxalic. Note that lactic acid is also used in Europe with a direct application http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/Themes/Varroa.htm Article 33569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Olive Trees?? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:26:06 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.140 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033787498 203.54.9.140 (Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:11:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:11:38 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33569 Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? What is the honey like and how much would be produced? Thanks Article 33570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Thomas Porschberg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: improve the bees pasture Date: 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362e5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: news.online.de 1033829688 26187 217.3.98.229 (5 Oct 2002 14:54:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2002 14:54:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!blackbush.xlink.net!blackbush.de.kpnqwest.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33570 I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there are sheeps in the garden and they will devour all green bushs. What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? May be someone with thorns ? Article 33571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZuVlmXSKCmphXhaHAK6od/u7M32YghpVXThF3HCTfhvtk3GZ0slRy5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2002 22:39:27 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33571 "Barry METZ" wrote in message news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? > How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? > What is the honey like and how much would be produced? > > Thanks > I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." Keith Article 33572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: improve the bees pasture Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:53:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.134.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1033865616 207.179.134.192 (Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:53:36 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:53:36 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33572 On 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200, Thomas Porschberg wrote: >I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve >the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there >are sheeps in the garden and they will devour >all green bushs. >What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? >May be someone with thorns ? Maybe you should post that question in sci.agriculture.sheepkeeping? -- Ajo Wissink Article 33573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: starthistle honey, does it granulate in containers Date: 5 Oct 2002 20:14:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <993fd181.0210051914.4feed672@posting.google.com> References: <747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033874063 1263 127.0.0.1 (6 Oct 2002 03:14:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2002 03:14:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33573 rubes@infostations.com (Janet) wrote in message news:<747f6cf3.0210020341.769b8d37@posting.google.com>... > Hi, for the first time, we are extracting starthistle honey (about 150 > pounds), which is very light. I don't want to make the same mistake > as I did with the Alfalfa Honey. We put it in a 60# closed pail with > a honey bung, just to have it harden up. It took forever to gently > heat via the sun to liquify it enough to remove it to glass jars. > Does anyone know if starthistle honey granulates easily and if it > does, how do you bulk store it? > Thanks, > Janet Pure starthistle is very slow to granulate,compared to many other types of honey.If you intend to keep producing honey then you will have to deal with the granulation problem if you sell at retail.Thermostatically controlled hotboxes are the way to go.I have 2 ,one from an old refrigerator and one from a deep freeze.The first hot box I ever built was insulated and held a couple of 5 gallon pails.Bob Harrison wrote an excellent article in Bee Culture(I think it was) on how to convert old refrigerators to hot boxes.Probably can find the info in BEE-L archives. ---Mike Article 33574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: bjms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 07:01:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1033887664 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:01:04 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:01:04 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33574 On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >I just caught a queen bee, does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid >bug spray or something else like hornet spray? It is way too big to squash. >Just kidding. I really did catch one (I think), it has five yellow stripes >around the body and is 3" long. Any thoughts? I am not a beekeeper, but I >learned some stuff about them last summer after some stupid maintainance >guys sprayed a big ball of them with bug spray while they were migrating. >Idiots. > > >BiG Orange in Tennesse I just caught a queen bee (probably not though) does anyone know if I should spray it with Raid (Spray yourself) I really did catch one (Doubt you are smart enough) around the body and is 3" long. (You must be looking elsewhere) Any thoughts (never under estimate the power of stupid people in a group) I am not a beekeeper, (We understand) learned some stuff (what stuff?) while they were migrating. (you need a vacation, go to Florida orange) Article 33575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:42:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip181.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33575 On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400, "Angela and Keith Copi" wrote: > >"Barry METZ" wrote in message >news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... >> Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? >> How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? >> What is the honey like and how much would be produced? >> >> Thanks >> >I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American >Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." > >Keith > > Russian olives are a great spring buildup plant. They grow fast and produce flowers in a few years. beekeep Article 33576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.159 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1033903976 203.54.9.159 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:32:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:32:56 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!deine.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33576 Beekeep, when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? Barry metz REMOVE "DELETE" from address to reply "beekeep" wrote in message news:3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0400, "Angela and Keith Copi" > wrote: > > > > >"Barry METZ" wrote in message > >news:KLsn9.46431$g9.132118@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > >> Can anyone tell me anything about bees and olive trees? > >> How much if any pollen or nectar is produced by the olive flowers? > >> What is the honey like and how much would be produced? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >I have no personal experience with olives, but looked them up in "American > >Honey Plants", which says they "are of little value to the bees." > > > >Keith > > > > > Russian olives are a great spring buildup plant. They grow fast and > produce flowers in a few years. > > beekeep > > Article 33577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tracheal mite inspection question Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:40:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3da02dfb.442457520@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33577 How does one look for live treacheal mites? I would like to look at the effects of the oxalic acid treatment on them as well as the varroa mites. I am guessing that a regular slice soaked in KOH would make all mites dead. beekeep Article 33578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:48:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3da03000.442968209@news1.radix.net> References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33578 On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000, "Barry METZ" wrote: >Beekeep, >when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount >of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? > >Barry metz Copious amounts of nectar. It blooms here in Southern Maryland in April. Each bush has thousands of small yellow and/or white blossoms. You smell them before you see them. The first couple of years they don't seem to produce much but once the plant gets a little age they humm with bees. They are also known as autum olives. They are a very hardy plant. beekeep Article 33579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:19:42 CDT Message-ID: <3DA061FF.2F128CE1@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:17:03 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Olive Trees?? References: <3da0050b.431976320@news1.radix.net> <3da03000.442968209@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-YGffv4HZyhVWI3rB869TPaVNHyINrOEU2aExPfgIz2pbL103bmoF2RQop0BHb86uHdltbc1FsrAkWZ1!sfLuCG8STdmmdt3SMst8fSa6Q8Rqqv/KxgbdU6dpzEDqcMyVZ4J6ZLePcxTny6V1xwM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33579 beekeep wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:47:31 +1000, "Barry METZ" > wrote: > > >Beekeep, > >when you say " a great spring build up plant" are you refering to the amount > >of pollen and its protien levels as a factor in spring brood? > > > >Barry metz > Copious amounts of nectar. It blooms here in Southern Maryland in > April. Each bush has thousands of small yellow and/or white blossoms. > You smell them before you see them. The first couple of years they > don't seem to produce much but once the plant gets a little age they > humm with bees. They are also known as autum olives. They are a very > hardy plant. > > beekeep > > I have to differ with you on one point. Although Russian olive is probably related to Autumn olive, they are not the same thing. The Russian olive grows into a tree and the Autumn olive grows into a bush. I do agree that the Autumn olive is a great spring nectar source and, if I can time it right, I'll pull that honey before other sources get mixed in with it - it is exceptional honey. Autumn olive is a very hardy and invasive plant in S.Illinois. AL Article 33580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:01:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1033920077 24.158.195.26 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:01:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:01:17 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33580 "bjms" wrote in message news:u6nvpu454bl28bmkk7ghel5tlbrr48n0bo@4ax.com... > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:03:58 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: > > > I am not a beekeeper, (We understand) At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will get diseased and die. You people are freaks, the beekeepers that came out after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting like a bunch of sissies when they found out. The swarm went from the size of a basketball to a baseball with 3 cans of raid. That stuff is strong! BiG Orange Article 33581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: improve the bees pasture Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:28:06 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu191-196.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1033921745 29954 195.163.196.191 (6 Oct 2002 16:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33581 My expereince with sheep is that they eat anything slightly green and that is slower than a sheep. ;-) A ggod fence is our only option! "Ajo Wissink" skrev i meddelandet news:ub2vpu8ap7aubmje04cer6cujnqc1s3oe9@4ax.com... > On 05 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0200, Thomas Porschberg > wrote: > > >I want plant some bushs in my orchard to improve > >the pasture of the bees. Unfortunately there > >are sheeps in the garden and they will devour > >all green bushs. > >What kind of bushs sheeps does not eat ? > >May be someone with thorns ? > > Maybe you should post that question in sci.agriculture.sheepkeeping? > > -- > Ajo Wissink Article 33582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Thomas Porschberg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: American literature Date: 06 Oct 2002 20:14:09 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362ae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: news.online.de 1033929130 15627 217.3.98.174 (6 Oct 2002 18:32:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@online.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2002 18:32:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33582 I'm a German hobby beekeeper and interested in English literature about beekeeping from a non German point of view for two reasons, first to learn how it works (which hives, breeds are spreaded ...) and second to train my English. Suggestions are very welcome ! Article 33583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Oct 2002 20:53:33 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Message-ID: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33583 >BiG Orange >At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will >get diseased and die. You people are freaks, Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. I wish I had some more time to waste. >the beekeepers that came out >after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting >like a bunch of sissies when they found out. Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't afford a real house. Maybe you should learn to play with bees. King Freak Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:03:10 CDT Message-ID: <3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:00:30 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: sv3-vIHu5f/KhN+kqDo+DrePoJG4K2nbMxu2Lm8pRZYShN9uqm6hLwAdWwWB5G7Z497Ufw8N8BmSVB2luRa!NzG8+pzk2X5eQKUoCFnYGEsmj8d6RhbFj3xAod8qTEDQZVsWfgUE6T/xAHepHzAVO9Lu X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33584 Robert Williamson wrote: > > >BiG Orange > >At least I am not dumb enough to waste my time playing with bees that will > >get diseased and die. You people are freaks, > > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. > I wish I had some more time to waste. > > >the beekeepers that came out > >after the maintenance men sprayed the swarm with 3 cans of raid were acting > >like a bunch of sissies when they found out. > > Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't > afford a real house. Maybe you should learn to play with bees. > > Robert Williamson Hey Robert, didn't yo mama teach you not to play with trolls? AL Article 33585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: YOU GOT MAIL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanna earn some cash? Message-ID: <061020022232447227%got@mail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 04:34:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1033965281 161.184.141.129 (Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:34:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:34:41 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33585 > Brian wrote: > HOW TO TURN THREE DOLLARS INTO FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS! FTC LAUNCHES CRACKDOWN ON DECEPTIVE JUNK E-MAIL Scammers Claim The FTC Will Confirm Legality of Illegal Scheme http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/02/eileenspam1.htm Article 33586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_yao9.4480$Os6.590368@news.xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:33:10 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.125 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1033975098 219.88.47.125 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:18:18 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:18:18 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33586 Oxalic acid is used all the time down here in New Zealand. It kills 98% of mites on the first treatment. It must be delivered at 3.6% in a sugar based solution if I recall. Dave A in NZ Article 33587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "apipop" From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:48:50 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3da17532$0$6089$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 07 Oct 2002 13:51:14 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.147.81.46 X-Trace: 1033991474 news2-2.free.fr 6089 62.147.81.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news2-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33587 Bonjour, I am following this interesting discussion about oxalic acid which is recommended by Swiss bee institute and other countries. One point should be taken in consideration : if oxalic is heated to strongly, the evaporation gives big black flakes instead of very thin sublimation particles. Could also "beekeep" detail how he made the evaporator. I am also thinking about doing myself such a device which seems very similar to a commercial one named VARROX manufactured in Switzerland. beekeep wrote: > I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with > mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether > roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this > whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? > > beekeep Article 33588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:22:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034007733 24.158.195.26 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:22:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:22:13 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33588 > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. > I wish I had some more time to waste. So? What is the bottom line? I see plenty of businesses that gross big and still lose. > Couldn't do the job yourself...or maybe apartment maintenance men...Can't > afford a real house. We lived in a townhouse while they were building our house last year, not as smart as you think, huh? I guess you hicks stuck out on the bee farm don't know much about the real world. BiG Orange Article 33589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <4yio9.11769$PS1.1213012@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:23:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034007808 24.158.195.26 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:23:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:23:28 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp.itservices.ubc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33589 "AL" wrote in message news:3DA0C08E.6C4FBDCD@hcis.net... > Hey Robert, didn't yo mama teach you not to play with trolls? > > AL Read the entire thread "bee brain" and you'll see I was not the one that started trolling. BiG Orange Article 33590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Time lag after Apistan til sticky board test? Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1034014343 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:12:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33590 Hi folks, I'm in Massachusetts, US. On August 4, I did 24-hour varroa mite drop counts on sticky boards and got: #1 120 #2 60 #3 135 On August 10, I pulled all the honey supers off and put in 4 Apipstan strips per colony (each had 2 deeps, 2 strips in each per label directions). October 5 (56 days) I pulled the strips out and put in new sticky boards. Yesterday I counted again, and got: #1 60 #2 45 #3 90 That's higher than I expected... the Aug 4 sticky boards were left in the whole time (I have screened bottom and the boards are under the screen) and there were a lot of dead varroa when I pulled the boards. Should I be seeing lower counts on this test? Should I have waited a week or so to retest? Could I be seeing mites still falling off from the Apistan? (Some of those I counted this time were still moving their legs, although stuck to the board). Any ideas? I'd rather not pull out the big coumaphos guns, but will if I need to. I've never bought coumaphos before... is there a need for certain temperatures, brood rearing (or not), etc.? Thanks, -Steve Article 33592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:06:25 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.227 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1034023890 219.88.47.227 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:51:30 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:51:30 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33592 Big Orange, check it's a queen bee by using a magnifying glass. The queen has a small crown near the back of her head!!! Grin! Article 33593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 00:38:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3da22868.8017230@news1.radix.net> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3da17532$0$6089$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip145.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33593 I made clay dishes 1/2 " high with a 7/8" diameter hole in the center. A coil of electric heater wire was wraped inside the hole on the bottom with wires attached that ran through the entrance closing board. beekeep On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:48:50 +0200, "apipop" wrote: >Bonjour, >I am following this interesting discussion about oxalic acid which is >recommended by Swiss bee institute and other countries. >One point should be taken in consideration : if oxalic is heated to >strongly, the evaporation gives big black flakes instead of very thin >sublimation particles. >Could also "beekeep" detail how he made the evaporator. I am also thinking >about doing myself such a device which seems very similar to a commercial >one named VARROX manufactured in Switzerland. > >beekeep wrote: >> I have vaporized both 1.5 grams and 3.0 grams in some hives with >> mites. Ether roll tests show no difference before or after. Ether >> roll tests several days later show no difference either. Could this >> whole thing be an internet hoax? Anybody else try it? >> >> beekeep > > > Article 33594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DA23277.8CAE1E0A@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propylene glycol vs. Varroa? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1034039902 209.239.173.174 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:18:22 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33594 I bought a cheap halloween fog machine to use with FGMO, voiding the warranty, to try with my bees. However, the machine comes with a propylene glycol based fog fluid. Has anyone tried propylene glycol as an anti-varroa fog? Like FGMO propylene glycol is advertised as non-toxic. I trapped a single bee in a jar and filled it with propylene glycol fog. It started to groom itself enthusiastically and flew away when I opened the jar two minutes later. Not a scientific test, I admit. I wonder if FGMO is causing higher mitefall counts simply because it is causing enhanced bee grooming behavior and not clogging mite breathing tubes as the current theory suggests? Cheers, Rick Article 33596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SMOKUM OAKUM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any POT Growing Beekeepers Here Message-ID: <071020022237544316%smokey@oakey.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 33 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 04:39:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1034051991 161.184.141.129 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:39:51 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:39:51 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33596 KIRKVILLE, New York (AP) -- Authorities say a beekeeper figured out an ingenious way to protect a 15-pound marijuana harvest in his barn: his bees. Eric Rasmussen, of Kirkville, was charged with first-degree criminal possession of marijuana, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon and unlawfully growing cannabis, state police said. Troopers received a number of tips about suspicious activity near Rasmussen's residence, 15 miles northeast of Syracuse. When police arrived last week, they found a locked barn surrounded by several beehives of honeybees. After entering the barn by a small rear window police said they found a marijuana operation on the barn's second floor. Authorities seized 56 harvested and drying marijuana plants, marijuana seedlingsstarted for next year's crop, growing lights and other drug paraphernalia. They also found 19 rifles and shotguns, police said. Rasmussen, who listed his occupation as a beekeeper, was sent to Madison County Jail in lieu of $10,000 bail. Article 33597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: szoke@beecomputing.com (Szoke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: 7 Oct 2002 23:24:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <97b0e4c3.0210072224.61950fcf@posting.google.com> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.136.156.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034058293 5966 127.0.0.1 (8 Oct 2002 06:24:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 2002 06:24:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33597 > Maybe this stuff does work. I'm using oxalic acid for a few years. This is an extremely powerful treatment and it is quite funny to see beekeepers trying some kind of 'amateuristic' testing when high level research centers have already performed a lot of experiments on this topic. Just to avoid you wasting a lot of time re-inventing the wheel. Have a look at the link below before talking about "Is it a hoax ?" http://www.apis.admin.ch/index_e.htm At the bottom of the page, follow this link : Oxalsäureverdampfung - Vergleich verschiedener Verdampfungsgeräte (text in German) Evaporation of oxalic acid - Comparison of different evaporation devices (345k, pdf) With Best Regards, Stan Article 33598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the news Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:48:00 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 48 Message-ID: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034084881 17873682 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:955 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33598 Man uses bees to protect pot stash Monday, October 7, 2002 Posted: 9:43 PM EDT (0143 GMT) KIRKVILLE, New York (AP) -- Authorities say a beekeeper figured out an ingenious way to protect a 15-pound marijuana harvest in his barn: his bees. Eric Rasmussen, of Kirkville, was charged with first-degree criminal possession of marijuana, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon and unlawfully growing cannabis, state police said. Troopers received a number of tips about suspicious activity near Rasmussen's residence, 15 miles northeast of Syracuse. When police arrived last week, they found a locked barn surrounded by several beehives of honeybees. After entering the barn by a small rear window police said they found a marijuana operation on the barn's second floor. Authorities seized 56 harvested and drying marijuana plants, marijuana seedlings started for next year's crop, growing lights and other drug paraphernalia. They also found 19 rifles and shotguns, police said. Rasmussen, who listed his occupation as a beekeeper, was sent to Madison County Jail in lieu of $10,000 bail. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html begin 666 1.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`(#_`,# P ```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$`0 ("1 $`.P`` ` end Article 33599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:59:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034092773 24.158.195.26 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:59:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:59:33 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33599 "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com... > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the math. Hey Rob, if you are making so much money, why are does your web site look like crap, and you are taking paypal, rather that a real merchant account? LAMER! Article 33600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.94.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034102208 12.77.94.107 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:48 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33600 My Apologies to the group for this troll from my state, I tried sending him an email, but he has disregarded it. Troll List activated. BTW Hey Rob nice site, Clean and Easy to read. I'll be ordering some honey from you soon. John "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:FhDo9.14125$PS1.1401684@kent.svc.tds.net... > "Robert Williamson" wrote in message > news:20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com... > > Hmm... We produced 500,000 lbs. of honey at $1.10 lb.this year you do the > math. > > Hey Rob, if you are making so much money, why are does your web site look > like crap, and you are taking paypal, rather that a real merchant account? > > LAMER! > > > Article 33601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:08:18 CDT Subject: Re: Is the oxalic acid thing a hoax? Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:09:40 +1300 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <091020021109408974%user@host.domain> References: <3d9a29cd.48201204@news1.radix.net> <3d9e09e1.302159716@news1.radix.net> <97b0e4c3.0210072224.61950fcf@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 9 Oct 2002 11:08:06 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 8 X-Trace: sv3-GPLQQWimD5q5lI9ZJMgRFfaCxspFZd+33AP4GMZ8C6655BGnvWcme31zdqSsy23bYWiRuEjMAMKEKk8!9u3T0yh+I/FOqwkcCZQwbNzZ8ys0R6v97ZIzU4UICxR/w4botpi9LWAmItICbcFzLmoMBW4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!News.GigaNews.Com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33601 > http://www.apis.admin.ch/index_e.htm click "Varroa" at right, then "Lactic acid/Oxalic acid" at top "Oxalsäure fur Bekämpfung der Varroa - Eine Gefahr für den Imker" on the same page might do with a translation to english for our Nth American friends.... Article 33602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:53:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.158.195.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034121229 24.158.195.26 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:53:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:53:49 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33602 > BTW Hey Rob nice site, Clean and Easy to read. I'll be ordering some > honey from you soon. > > John > He posts says Robert, not Bob, so obviously toy two are buddies. The guy's FrontPage site sucks and looks like crapola. It is unprofessional and what about him taking paypal? The page only works in 1024x768 without scrolling right and left, and Paypal charges .30+ cents per transaction plus 2.9 percent. The bank charges much less than that, and if they guy is doing that much business he would be stupid not to take credit cards through a real merchant account. LAMERS! LAMERS! Even an untrained eye can see the site sucks, he could hire someone to do it if he was making the big bucks (which he obviously is not from the looks of his lame azz site! BiG Orange Article 33603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor for sale Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:05:09 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33603 posted a plastic honey extractor on ebay for sale -- Don't let fear or good judgment hold you back Article 33604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.94.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1034153826 12.77.94.72 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:57:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33604 You really are a SAD case. his website is a sideline. he gave you a WHOLESALE PRICE for Truckloads of honey. A wholesale price considerably lower than what I hear is current going rate. Perhaps it was for last years sales. What you saw on his website was a small side buisness... primarily his wifes candle making if i were to hazard a guess. But then he doesn't mind making some exta money on his partial load of honey and other products. since it is Low volume side buisness. he has made a decision to leave it with PayPal. This saves him numerous headaches if nothing else. I've checked into merchant accounts. They aren't free either. For all we know his wife does other buisnes through E-Bay. your too busy seking reasons to put other people down you don't see the strengths or at least don't acknowledge them. While you didn't like the graphics i did... I liked the apearance of using Honey to write the letters in places. Lame is why you persist here when you obviously have no intrest. Article 33605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021006165333.06702.00000634@mb-ca.news.cs.com> <4BFo9.9430$k_2.667296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:09:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034183388 24.159.179.14 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:09:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:09:48 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33605 >While you > didn't like the graphics i did... I liked the apearance of using Honey to > write the letters in places. > OH!!! So you made that piece of crap web site! (if it can even be called that) Mathematically, it is always better to use a merchant account if you are doing any kind of business at all! Don't quit your day job, because you suck at web design. BiG Orange Article 33606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 51 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Oct 2002 23:10:44 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: The Texasdrone Message-ID: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33606 Hello All, I figured I would respond to "Big Orange" and kind of introduce myself as I don't actually post too often. My name is Robert Williamson. I'm 28 years old and got involved with beekeeping back in 1998. At the time I was the youngest hotel manager in our area if not the state. I had worked my way through college in hotels and ended up runnning one. I also hated it. To my good fortune I met a local commercial beekeeper and grew fascinated by bees. I gave up a good paying job and went to work with him in the hopes of being able to start my own business. I know have 600 hives. Which yield an average of 150lbs. each per year. I still work with my mentor helping to take care of his bees. We are basically a two man operation and now take care of a total of 4,000 hives. We hire extracting help during the summer. I started my website a year and half ago when I was down with a knee injury. With nothing else to do I learned a little about html and created my first website. It was primarily to be an info/hobby site, but quickly turned commercial when I suddenly found a niche in the wholesale filtered beeswax market. The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and degrade beekeeps. Doesn't he know that bees are in some way responsible for putting the majority of the food on his plate. Who is he to critisize anyone while he stuffs his face with the rewards of the thing he bad mouths. For Big Orange: As for my website I have over 1500 loyal customers who love it in all of its simplicity. In all this time I've had about five people who just had to pay directly by credit card which they were able to do via the billpoint system. Since I do a large volume of business through paypal I have a discount rate of 2.2% which is less than most merchant account rates and I don't have to pay any monthly fees. However I did realize the neccesity of being able offer direct pay. Two months ago I signed a merchant agreement in preparation for two new websites which I will be finishing up this winter. Oh and I'm still having to pay more in total than paypal if not by much. As for whether you like my site...who cares. It works and it makes me money. So far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. And if you're not interested in beekeeping I believe we would all would agree that you need to find another outlet for your problems. I believe that you can find one in the myriad of newsgroups available. If you have a genuine interest then welcome, but try to be more optimistic and friendly please. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how big does the entrance have to be?? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.248.136.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1034207241 12.248.136.10 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:47:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33607 Hello, I am setting up an indoor observation hive and I was wondering what the minimum diameter of an entrance that I could use? It must be big enough for them to pass, of course, but after that, how much bigger do you need to make it? thanks Article 33608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey supers Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:28:04 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33608 I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I was going to let the bees have this first harvest. Two questions: 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have already removed the queen excluder) 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are still quite warm here) Thanks much! James avila.35@charter.net Article 33609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites in the SF Bay area? Use of mite strips? Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:55:50 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3DA1EB14.68597C45@uidaho.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news-xfer.nuri.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33609 Matthew, I'm a first year beekeeper in Northern California - specifically Redding. I have testing for and noticed a couple of mites. Realizing that San Francisco is 160 miles to my south, I do know from news posts and articles that I have read that there are several beekeepers in the bay area. That having been said, it would seem that with so many bees there is at least a chance for the mites to spread even without much agriculture in that area. As a precaution, I would take the position that where there are bees, there are bee mites. If your nephew is unable to find stripes in the bay area here a couple of great websites that I use to get all of my beekeeping supplies: http://www.bee-commerce.com/ http://www.mannlakeltd.com/catalog/catalog_main.htm Good luck! James Avila avila.35@charter.net Article 33610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:25:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034220313 24.159.179.14 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:25:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:25:13 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33610 "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com... > So far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. > Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see > one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. Actually, I am not stupid enough to disclose who I really am like you, but I can tell you that I am more than qualified to judge your site. Your web site is unarguably very lame and unprofessional looking. I guess people don't expect much out of a bee farmer web site so they don't point this out. You know, and I know that your site is weak so stop trying to act like it is now. If you were sooo successful, you could hire a professional to do it and make it look If you want to see an above average site look at http://www.jellybelly.com, now look at your site. You can't tell a difference? Your site sucks, and you just made an ass out of yourself with this lamer post. Sorry if you are not open to constructive criticism, I guess it's not everyday that someone is brutally honest and tells you that you have a booger handing out of your nose, or in this case a weak, lamer web site. BiG Orange Article 33611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DA50881.49A7F997@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:53:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!usc.edu!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33611 BiG Orange wrote: > snipped What a fscking twit.. Plonk Tsu Article 33612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Urban vs Rural Yields. Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-168-116.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1034243070 4524 213.122.168.116 (10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:44:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33612 So the supers should be off and extracted by now so how are the yields? In Brixton, South London I have averaged 45lb per hive. Not brilliant but neither was the weather. Some friends have had 90lb per hive, maybe I looked at the bees too often? Article 33613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Oct 2002 10:45:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: big orange Message-ID: <20021010064557.14788.00000381@mb-mf.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33613 This cyber geek needs to get a real life! >Actually, I am not stupid enough to disclose who I really am like you, He really means "man enough" Article 33614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: * Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Message-ID: References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1034251798 12.254.48.71 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn12feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33614 Robert, I commend you for what you have accomplished. You've been able to move into a career that you enjoy and make an income that is satisfactory to you and your family. I am sure that many people who read this newsgroup wish they were able to say the same thing. I want to thank you for letting us know your success story. >I figured I would respond to "Big Orange" and kind of introduce myself as I >don't actually post too often. My name is Robert Williamson. I'm 28 years old >and got involved with beekeeping back in 1998. At the time I was the youngest >hotel manager in our area if not the state. I had worked my way through college >in hotels and ended up runnning one. I also hated it. To my good fortune I met >a local commercial beekeeper and grew fascinated by bees. I gave up a good >paying job and went to work with him in the hopes of being able to start my own >business. I know have 600 hives. Which yield an average of 150lbs. each per >year. I still work with my mentor helping to take care of his bees. We are >basically a two man operation and now take care of a total of 4,000 hives. We >hire extracting help during the summer. I started my website a year and half >ago when I was down with a knee injury. With nothing else to do I learned a >little about html and created my first website. It was primarily to be an >info/hobby site, but quickly turned commercial when I suddenly found a niche in >the wholesale filtered beeswax market. The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of >beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given >me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy >life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to >imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and >degrade beekeeps. Doesn't he know that bees are in some way responsible for >putting the majority of the food on his plate. Who is he to critisize anyone >while he stuffs his face with the rewards of the thing he bad mouths. > >For Big Orange: > >As for my website I have over 1500 loyal customers who love it in all of its >simplicity. In all this time I've had about five people who just had to pay >directly by credit card which they were able to do via the billpoint system. >Since I do a large volume of business through paypal I have a discount rate of >2.2% which is less than most merchant account rates and I don't have to pay any >monthly fees. However I did realize the neccesity of being able offer direct >pay. Two months ago I signed a merchant agreement in preparation for two new >websites which I will be finishing up this winter. >Oh and I'm still having to pay more in total than paypal if not by much. As >for whether you like my site...who cares. It works and it makes me money. So >far you're the only complainer. Surprise, Surprise. >Maybe you'd like to tell us about your web designs. I for one would love to see >one of the websites you've created. Learn from the master and all. >And if you're not interested in beekeeping I believe we would all would agree >that you need to find another outlet for your problems. I believe that you can >find one in the myriad of newsgroups available. If you have a genuine interest >then welcome, but try to be more optimistic and friendly please. > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >www.texasdrone.com >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034262200 24.159.179.14 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:03:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:03:20 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33615 >The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of > beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has given > me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy > life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even begin to > imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here and > degrade beekeeps. Sorry, but I think your are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately had had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to *winging it*. Sorry, but I'm not buying your fairy tell story. Sounds like B.S. to me. If you are doing so well, you might want to try what other business owners do, put money back into your business. Of course, if you are not really doing well you have none to put back into it. BiG Orange Article 33616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:38:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1034264294 24.159.179.14 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:38:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:38:14 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33616 REVISED! Sorry, but you are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to *winging it*. Your business site is not the place to LEARN HTML! Sorry, but I'm not buying your fairy tale story. Sounds like B.S. to me. If you are doing so well, you might want to try what other business owners do, put money back into your business. Of course, if you are not really doing well you have none to put back into it. BiG Orange Article 33617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey supers Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:09:24 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034266165 19903211 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33617 James if you decide to leave the super on for the bees, remember that when you treat for mites the use of the super for future honey for human consumption will not be advised as future honey will be tainted by the medication used to treat for mites. Just my thoughts.-- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "James Avila" wrote in message news:uq9j9dl1bnss25@corp.supernews.com... > I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern > California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. > I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about > six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. > I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of > uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I > was going to let the bees have this first harvest. > > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have > already removed the queen excluder) > 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to > prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are > still quite warm here) > > Thanks much! > James > avila.35@charter.net > > > Article 33618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Texasdrone Date: 10 Oct 2002 17:13:11 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20021009191044.24535.00000320@mb-ce.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.134 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.245.249.51!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!feedwest.aleron.net!aleron.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33618 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:20 GMT, "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote: >>The first year I sold 10,000lbs. of >> beeswax via the internet and this year looks even better. Beekeeping has >given >> me the prosperity I need to provide for my family and the freedom to enjoy >> life. In short beekeeping isn't a job is a lifestyle. I couldn't even >begin to >> imagine doing anything else. It aggravates me that someone would come here >and >> degrade beekeeps. > >Sorry, but I think your are full of crap. When a business finds a niche, it >builds on it quickly. If I sold that much stuff online, I would immediately >had had a professional take over the web design. You already admitted you >did it yourself. If you had a professional, reputable looking site you would >probably do more business. Instead you have a site that you admitted to >*winging it*. With the numbers quoted (4000 hives at 150lbs honey each) and given the amount of wax I would expect of about 2 percent. (based on my own very small operation) Which is a total yield of 12,000lb of wax. So, if with this 'crappy' website he sold all or nearly all of his wax what is the point of having a better site developed if you don't have any more product to sell? And so what if he could sell more. Money isn't everything to everyone. -Tim Article 33619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey supers Date: 10 Oct 2002 12:01:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0210101101.689bca7@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.103.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034276471 13217 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2002 19:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2002 19:01:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33619 Have you considered going to another beekeeper to have your extraction done, or rent the equipment for him or her? (Beekeeping is so much more enjoyable when you can have a jar of honey on your table and something to share with your friends.) To answer your questions: 1) There is no harm to the bees, but as they move up and consume the honey during the winter, they leave lots of open cells. Then when the queen begins laying in the spring, she may decide the super is a good place to start. 2) There are exceptions, but the bees usually won't get the swarming urge late in the season. They'll just fill the top with honey, force the queen downward and limit her egg production. Nuc. "James Avila" wrote in message news:... > I am a first year beekeeper and I love it! I am located in Northern > California where the daytime temps are still in the 80's and 90's. > I started my hive quite late - May 28th to be exact. I added a super about > six weeks ago without expecting any honey harvest this year. > I checked my hive last week and found the medium super to be 80-90% full of > uncapped honey. Rather than investing in extracting equipment this year, I > was going to let the bees have this first harvest. > > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any harm in letting them have this additional honey?(I have > already removed the queen excluder) > 2) Since all of the frames are full, do I need to add another super to > prevent swarming?(we are extremely late in the season but the temps are > still quite warm here) > > Thanks much! > James > avila.35@charter.net Article 33620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I just captured a queen bee! 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