Article 14474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3615B836.9F26C2A5@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Veil material? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 05:21:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:21:05 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14474 Hi, Does anyone know a source for the wire or plastic screen used in bee veils? Thanks, Paul Article 14475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3615B9DA.AF34E47F@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Compressed Grass Hive box and other ideas References: <360D3EE8.D1C2A82C@ndak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 05:28:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:28:05 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14475 Craig, Did you mix anthing with the straw or just compress it? Thanks, Paul Family wrote: > Years ago when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in E. Africa. I ran accross > a Hungarian beekeeper. He showed me a book that illustrated hive boxes > made from grass. To make a long story short I found this an ideal > construction material in S. Sudan which enabled me to make removable > (top bar only) frame hives, since I didn't have extraction equipement. > > Since returning to the US almost 17 years ago I played around with this > idea and even went as far as showing boxes at a North Dakota assocation > meeting...just to get some feed back. That was maybe 10 years ago. I > never advanced the method because it would take some kind of mechanized > system to work here in the US. Overseas the hand contruction method fit Article 14476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic honey Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:34:14 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3612BFF5.5F4D0AAC@ix.netcom.com> References: <36125658.74613163@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx12-70.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 30 4:35:35 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14476 I read sometime back that the requirements for organic honey were so strict that only a few places in the US would qualify. Apparently, it has to do with the fact that the bees should not be able to forage on crops that have been treated with chemicals. Like most people I can only guarantee my own chemical usage not my neighbors. What I told people last summer when selling honey that it is a natural product and as you mentioned I told them that it has no additives. People seemed satisfied with that answer and didn't pursue it further. Hope this helps. susan LORI WHITED wrote: > I've had people ask me if my honey is "organic". I tell them that I > have not added anything to the honey, and ask them if that answers their > question. They just get a puzzled look on their face, and walk away. I > think that maybe "organic" is a new buzzword in the healthfood industry, > and that maybe they really don't have any idea what organic honey is. > Does anyone have any input on this? Does anyone have a definition of > "organic honey"? > > lorin Article 14477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3613899F.F420BAEE@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:54:39 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Barry@Birkey.com Subject: Re: organic honey References: <36125658.74613163@home.com> <3612BFF5.5F4D0AAC@ix.netcom.com> <3612D227.62A1@Birkey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.193.5 X-Trace: 1 Oct 1998 13:55:46 GMT, 32.100.193.5 Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.193.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14477 Let's see, I harvested 4400 pounds this year at $100 per pound .... just under 1/2 million. Bulk honey sells for about $0.65-0.70 per pound or $2970 for this year. Something doesn't jive here. I think that Peter Amschel needs to tell us all how to market honey!! Barry Birkey wrote: > > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > is, there would be no sheets used of foundation comb. This is the kind of > > honey that my bees produce in my two top bar hives. The surplus that I > > don't give away I sell for $100 per pound. > > Yeah right! To who, fools? > Am I to understand that you give most of your honey away when you can > get $100 per pound from fools? Something doesn't add up here. > > -Barry Article 14478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:57:17 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36138A3C.D556B9D6@mediaone.net> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <7D098F98C71F6890.733865A7E6B6890C.C64EB1C576FF4D9E@library-proxy.airnews.net> <01bdecbf$f4fd6dc0$e962400c@default> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14478 Actually Tom, This brings up an interesting question... when is honey raw? Honey in the comb in the desert can reach temperatures of 100 F. If it is extracted with an unheated knife/scratcher/uncapping machine and bottled without heating, is it raw? How about my MA honey, which is extracted without heat, but heated to 90-95 F for faster bottling? Is it raw? I've heated it some. And how about you? Using a hot knife (wax melts @ 146 F, what temp do you suppose the knife is at?) Is your honey raw? What do you think? Kathy Tom wrote: > > Anyway, what I think the original poster meant was if the honey was > cooked, since he asked if it was "RAW". And it is not. At least not > at my place. Article 14479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Further Questions Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:43:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.61 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 03 15:43:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.212.116.61 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14479 Hi Again: I just returned from a trip to Ireland - was most enjoyable - being away from work. I discovered that if one wants to retire, one needs some $$$$$$$$. A cottage that we rented, allowed me to rest - while my wife and sister-in-law would car travel, if it was not a good day for me to travel. I contacted a local beekeeper next door (semi-rural setting) indicated that he had just put his five hives up for the Winter - I asked him if there was alot of honey this year and he indicated "no" because of the weather. I had noticed on our various trips throughout Ireland that I had not seen any "honey-bees" - that is why I had asked the question to this gent about honey for the year. That was about all the questions I knew to ask him - that is what happens when when is a newbie a certain field. "Yes, thank you very much, I enjoyed my vacation." Regardless - that is in the FWIW category. I received excellent answers and guidance to my question of what type of hive I should be looking for as it related to my disabilities. I now have several other questions and if this is not the appropriate forum to ask, please direct/point me else where. 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. Well, my several questions really turned out to be just one. Thanking in advance, regardless if it is this forum or if I am directed to another forum. Dick Squires -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stained Stainless Steel Date: 1 Oct 1998 18:32:13 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6v0hrd$7lu$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <20887-3613B37B-37@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4c SunOS 4.1.3_U1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14480 donna helmick wrote: : I have a large stainless stew pot that I would like to use when : straining honey. It holds about 5 gal., is very heavy, has a nice tight : fitting lid, and was fairly expensive (otherwise, AL, I'd buy myself a : new one.) (-: : On the inside bottom and about 2" up the sides, the metal is a : dull, almost black color, compared to the shiny brightness of the rest : of the pan. It appears to have had a chemical reaction to something : (maybe baking soda.) Chlorox can also cause stainless steel to : discolor. : Do you think the metal is still patent or does the discoloration : make it undesirable for honey storage? The metal should be fine, but just to be sure you could probably remove the discoloration by boiling something acidic in it (vinegar water would probably work, I know from experience that rhubarb and tomatoes remove this sort of discoloration from pots). If stainless steel is normally OK for honey storage, your pot should then be just fine. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 14481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:31:24 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 907457376 19930 207.49.166.2 (3 Oct 1998 23:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1998 23:29:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14481 Sure, that should be no problem. I am on a suburban acre and my first hive I hid in the very back of the property in a room in the middle of my bamboo trail. This was a Langstroth hive. My experience is that a person really has to hustle to keep up with Langstroth hives because the bees fill the narrow bee spaces in the 10 frame hives really fast and the next thing you know they are hanging outside the hive in a big clump thinking about swarming to a place with space and so you have to work them and extract their frames to make more room for them on an emergency basis whether you want to work them or not. This is fine for Peter Fonda who wants many barrels of fine Tupelo Honey, but I found it to be a pain for a hobbyist. A Langstroth type hive with moveable frames makes you instantly semi-commercial, I find, because of this fast fill up feature. One time I solved the space problem by quickly buying a new shallow super and frames at Miller Honey in San Bernardino, but then not much later after that I had to empty that one too! A few years ago I shifted to top bar hives and they are so mellow that with my second one last year I decorated it and hung it from a tree at waist level in the front yard which is about 1/5 acre. This has been my favorite colony, next to the observation hive I hung in the back patio in my first year of beekeeping where the Langstroth frame of brood, honey and pollen and bees happened to have an old queen living on it. In article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, disabledvet@my-dejanews.com says... > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. Article 14482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: insurance Date: 4 Oct 1998 00:23:32 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6v6f64$7ip@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.237 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14482 Does anyone have experience with both general liability insurance as well as product liability insurance as regards beekeeping? This is not my area of expertise. I have the usual homeowner's policy, with a general liability umbrella rider. I live in a suburban area, there is a pool in the yard, and one colony. My agent says my policy would cover the bees provided I do not sell any honey, since then under the terms of their policy that would constitute a business venture and would not be covered. So I'm covered if little Jimmy comes into the yard and decides to throw rocks at or tip over, or otherwise antagonize the bees. Then he gets stung and I get a summons. There are companies that provide the same sorts of general liability coverage as well as product liability coverage (Jimmy's mom claims some honey I sold her caused her to be abducted by aliens, who in turn confiscated her winning lotto ticker). Any thoughts? I suspect this message will engender a lot of groans....but if anyone has any information I'd appreciate it. I realize that honey is sold the world over and has been for centuries without this nonsense, but I'd like the flexibility of being able to sell some of what my bee produce without the risk of losing what coverage I have (particularly on the bees themselves and the potential for a lawsuit because of stings) / C.Crowell Article 14483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kkanning@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:44:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6v6gdg$ngn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.7.247.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 00:44:32 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 161.7.247.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14483 I was wondering if anyone has a method for making creamed honey. Have done some reading and researching, but there doesn't seem to be much info available. Need to get this stuff outa my kitchen soon! Any help would be appreciated!! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Veil material? Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:51:40 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3616D4AC.5937@galstar.com> References: <3615B836.9F26C2A5@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: pbc@teleport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14484 Paul Cauthorn wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know a source for the wire or plastic screen used in bee > veils? > > Thanks, > > Paul The local lumber yard see ya' gw Article 14485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.polymers Subject: Re: Get the wax out Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:30:45 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6v6m7a$616$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6us4sk$uve$1@strato.ultra.net> <3612B77D.31F47C25@dcr.net> <36140881.517B6CDD@dcr.net> <6v4142$22c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d176.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 Oct 1998 02:23:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.engr.chem:30485 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14485 sci.polymers:16947 . > >BTW...what WERE you doing with the wax??? Inquiring minds must know. > I have a big order from the White House. Maybe they will tell use what they do with it. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx11-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 05 12:21:54 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14486 I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. Hoping this is just a troll, susan Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Article 14487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:45 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6vbbi5$gcd$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d191.dial-2.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 Oct 1998 20:52:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14487 Susan K. Wehe wrote in message <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com>... >I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your >property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's >name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a >pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where >only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly >be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. > > > >Hoping this is just a troll, >susan Good point. Better to use bees for honey. What if trespassers get themselves stung anyway? Proably any bee keeper could be sued, even if someone is trespassing unlawfully. Talk about Sue bee. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.research.careers Subject: Re: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:45:46 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <36192FFA.365D@earthlink.net> References: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com> <6valuc$a4d$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust174.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Marc Andelman X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 5 13:47:35 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14488 sci.research.careers:29514 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com>... > > > >sounds like someone is fixin to brew up a bug > > > >if anyone could answer that it'd be Dr. Ambrose at North Carolina State > >University > >the problem is getting him on the phone and when you do..., his arrogance > and > >nose stuck up ness will wanna make ya barf > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Academics have a guaranteed job for life, can take a year off with pay, > have slave labor without benefit of US citizenship rights, OSHA,etc., and > use public money for their own private patents and businesses. Why > should they talk to woe be gone, bee stung fly raising honey farmers like > us? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Enough even. I know Dr Amsrose very well as well as many other academic folks. They are a mighty busy breed and, yes, are all of the above. However, I've called him and he always has time to answer a question. He attends at least two functions a year given by our association. Don in NC Article 14489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 03:37:14 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6v6qha$e6k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.19 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 03:37:14 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.212.116.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14489 Thanks - appreciate the info & encouragement. In article amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > Sure, that should be no problem. I am on a suburban acre and my first > hive I hid in the very back of the property in a room in the middle of my > bamboo trail. This was a Langstroth hive. My experience is that a person > really has to hustle to keep up with Langstroth hives because the bees > fill the narrow bee spaces in the 10 frame hives really fast and the next > thing you know they are hanging outside the hive in a big clump thinking > about swarming to a place with space and so you have to work them and > extract their frames to make more room for them on an emergency basis > whether you want to work them or not. This is fine for Peter Fonda who > wants many barrels of fine Tupelo Honey, but I found it to be a pain for > a hobbyist. A Langstroth type hive with moveable frames makes you > instantly semi-commercial, I find, because of this fast fill up feature. > One time I solved the space problem by quickly buying a new shallow super > and frames at Miller Honey in San Bernardino, but then not much later > after that I had to empty that one too! A few years ago I shifted to top > bar hives and they are so mellow that with my second one last year I > decorated it and hung it from a tree at waist level in the front yard > which is about 1/5 acre. This has been my favorite colony, next to the > observation hive I hung in the back patio in my first year of beekeeping > where the Langstroth frame of brood, honey and pollen and bees happened > to have an old queen living on it. > > In article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, disabledvet@my-dejanews.com > says... > > > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Opal Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:01:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6vbq4r$vc@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.237.162 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14490 I had a friend once that had problems with people getting in his basement. He mad a split and set a hive next to the door. Then he put a sign on the hive that read : Beware of Guard Bees. End of problem. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@worldnet.att.net Marc Andelman wrote in message <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net>... >Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >strain of legally available bees one could get? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman > > Article 14491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:24:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981005212451.16078.00003413@ng145.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14491 rubbing alcohol Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kkanning@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:41:11 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6v6u98$j12$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.7.247.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 04:41:11 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 161.7.247.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14492 Am looking for help in making creamed honey. Have found some info but none very thorough. Any help would be appreciated, I need to get this stuff out of my kitchen!! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question: Lye??!?? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:00:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981005210036.20647.00014964@ng88.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14493 lye is sodium hydroxide-very caustic don't let the pure stuff touch your skin or you might suffer a severe burn. Article 14494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee disease? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:14:48 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6vbum8$ct8$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <19981004202300.18739.00002728@ng100.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust23.tnt24.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 5 19:18:48 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14494 What color is your winter outfit???? Article 14495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:10:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14495 Does anyone know what will disolve propolis without leaving any toxic residue on the equipment. I'm trying to dissolve the stuff the bees left on the feeder jars. thanks indauto@aol.com Article 14496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Marlene Bernard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Propolis ointment & tincture? Lines: 4 Organization: Preferred Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:23:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.188.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca 907648036 209.148.188.30 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:27:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:27:16 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14496 Does anyone out there know how to make propolis ointments & tinctures for human consumption. Please contact me at mbernard@sprint.ca. Article 14497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news.uunet.ca!newsfeed2.golden.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Coyle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grease patties Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:41:44 -0400 Organization: Golden Triangle Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36198360.403B@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.129.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14497 Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? -- Ken Coyle "Carpe Ductum" Seize The Tape coyle@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~coyle Article 14498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:01:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6vc4n2$4l4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> <6vbbi5$gcd$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 06 04:01:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14498 Marc, check the archives - a pretty rigorous discussion about pros/cons of using nasty hives to protect a bee yard from vandalism took place on this ng a while back - I don't recall the name of the thread - search for "defensive" and "snotty" and I bet you will find it also recall that bees can't fly at night so their watchdog abilities are daytime only unless that duty is restricted to them protecting their own hive which I assure you they can do quite well at night without flying if they are so inclined - you see you always will find a nasty devil or two if you look at enough bees especially under less than ideal conditions just having bees of the most friendly nature setting on your porch and flying vigorously is enough to keep most folks away - no need for them to be nasty even - a fear barrier you could say - much like an electric fence is - generally the wire itself would not keep the critters in or out but the fear of getting zapped will - thus with gentle bees you can walk through but fear will keep many others from following even when they saw you do it -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolans Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 03:40:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 78 Message-ID: <6vc3fp$2nl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 06 03:40:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14499 In article <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net>, "Edward Watkins" wrote: > Greetings fellow beekeepers. > > This is my first year as a beekeeper. > I am starting with just one hive, which I started from a nuc. > I have had the hive since May, and it is doing very well. > My problem is everything I have read indicates that carniolans are a breed > of bee that dispite your best efforts at hive management, may still likely > swarm on you. In my neighborhood I know that 10 to 20 thousand bees hanging > from your mailbox or in front of your front door is LAWSUIT MATERIAL. Unless you have the bees branded or ear tags on them exactly how will they establish that they belong to you?????? This presumes that if you have a marked queen she is likewise clipped to prevent flight - this will not prevent swarming mind you but will mean only a unidentifiable queen will be in the swarm issued. Additionally realize that swarming is an act of Nature - do your neighbors sue Nature routinely? If so - are they ever successful in extracting "damages"??? ;-) Okay now all kidding aside - ALL honeybees are inclined to swarm to one degree or another - some to a greater degree. This varies markedly between strains but since we basically have no pure race bees here in the USA you will find GREAT variations amongst bees claimed to be of the same race. New World Carniolans (at least in pure form) are not highly inclined to swarm. Whilst some Italian strains are VERY inclined to swarm. First year queens are less likely to swarm than are second year queens. But the premier thing is that you learn how to manage swarming urge in whatever strain you settle on using. > I am considering getting an Italian or Midnite queen very soon to ensure > that by the time spring rolls around again, I won't have any Carniolans left > in the hive. A new queen is always a good plan but realize that Midnites are descended from Carniolan and Caucausian type bees. > Any related experiences, or advice would be greatly appreciated. Basically here in the USA you are talking mongrels of a certain color tendency more than pure races. Some such as Susan Cobey have tried hard to breed for racial type behavioral characteristics in bees - yet her New World Carniolans although definitely Carniolan type as to characteristics yet morphometrically they don't measure up correctly according to Ruttner. The same is true of our Italian strains, etc.. Basically we have yellow bees, dark bees, and black bees that are various admixtures of the 8-12 races that have been introduced here in the past. We have had black bees that have resisted swarming incredibly well. We have also had black bees that were very swarmy. Same is true of dark bees and same is true of yellow bees. There is MUCH variation within the color/race - more than between the colors/races. And for you Europeans that may still have pure races to work with yes I do understand that you may see more distinct racial tendencies due to racial purity - this has been reported in the sole pure racial bee that was available in the USA - the YUGO in its pure AI form (the outcrossed naturally mated form was NOT consistent). Unfortunately we have but mongrels to work with. Of course it seems we have done pretty well breeding such mongrels as Quarter Horses, Morgans, Saddlebreds, Tennesee Walking Horses, Standardbreds and so forth so perhaps we shall fare okay with our mongrel bee strains also. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:11:29 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36199871.28EB@midwest.net> References: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 907647272 .ZFUVYH4M1C1CD0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14500 Thanks for the feedback on this problem. I especially like the freezer trick. AL AL wrote: > > Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to > remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this > stuff or does everyone just ignore it? > > AL Article 14501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Marlene Bernard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis tictures & ointments! Lines: 4 Organization: Preferred Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:17:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.188.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca 907647659 209.148.188.30 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:20:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:20:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14501 Does anyone out there know how to make tictures or ointments with propolis for human consumption. Article 14503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Seyed Afshin Mansouri Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Iran Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:12:03 +0100 Organization: Department of Manufacturing Engineering Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3614DF33.C289EA8C@lboro.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-enmfc5.lut.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!server2.netnews.ja.net!news.reading.ac.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14503 I'm sending this message on behalf of Mr. Bahman Ebrahimi who is a beekeeper in Iran. ****************************************************************** Hi all of the beekeepers around the world; I work as a professional beekeeper since 15 years ago. I live in a northern town of Iran, named Amol, 20 kilometers from the southern coasts of Caspian sea. The climate in Iran is varying. Sometimes we have snow in the north and warm weather in the south at the same time. In the winters, we have to move the hives to the warm teritories in the south, around 1500 kilometers away from our town. Amol is surrounded by forest and there are also lots of orange trees around us. In spring, I take my hives to the orange trees and keep them there for about one month in order to use orange blossoms. Then I move the hives to the forest and usually stay there for a month. After that, I go to the montains to take advantage of mountain honey which is among the best honeys. Finally I go to the sunflower fields. We have 4 kind of honey in Iran, i.e., orange blossoms honey, mountain honey, forest honey, and sunflower honey. Sunflower honey is not popular because of its tendency to crystalyzation. Price of a hive in Iran is around £ 15.00, a kilogram of sugar £ 0.35 and a kilogram of vax about £ 3.00. I would like to benefit from your experiences in all fields of beekeeping. At this time I have the following questions: 1. When do you start feeding of bees on spring? What ratio of sugar and water do you use? 2. Why do you feed your bees by sugar? to increase the hives or to prepare the bees for honey producing? 3. What is the race of your queens? doees it producing lots of offsprings or not? Sincerely yours Bahman Ebrahimi ******************************************************************* Article 14504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361579A4.A55C58E7@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:11:00 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Honey Sale References: <19981002064422.23094.00004873@ng72.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.249.149 X-Trace: 3 Oct 1998 01:11:53 GMT, 32.100.249.149 Lines: 34 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.249.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14504 OOps. Are we going to stir the Weight verses volume discussion again? Just a note about labels. The Federal law requires that the units be in US and metric. So, without getting into weight and volume, if you sell Quarts and Pints the labels must also have liter (mililiter) or if you choose pounds then the label must have grams and or kilograms. Also the name and phone and or address must be on the label Al Welk - Atlanta, GA Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > How come you sell your honey in pints and quarts, rather than pounds? > >I'm just curious. > >Thanks > > Andy Kettlewell > > > > well folks round here are kinda used to seeing stuff " put up " in mason jars. > and the > Big Lots stores usually have the golden harvest jars for @ 3.49 a case, add a > white lid and a home computer printed label and ya got yourself a rite pretty > lookin jar of fresh local honey ! > > Oh btw if you're interested Brushy Mtn. sells the white one piece mason lids > for 13.00 per 100. > Oops forgot, a pint jar filled almost to the top is very close to 1.5 lb and a > quart 3.0 lb, and thats put on the label as well. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:46:05 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3617DE8D.4AA1AE9D@algonet.se> References: <6v6u98$j12$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du44-7.ppp.algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 1998 20:48:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14505 > Am looking for help in making creamed honey. You will find it on my homepage. Go to and then -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 14506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:22:57 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361ddf2c.1832112@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14506 On 6 Oct 1998 01:10:12 GMT, indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) wrote: > >Does anyone know what will disolve propolis without leaving any toxic residue >on the equipment. I'm trying to dissolve the stuff the bees left on the feeder >jars. thanks > Methylated spirits. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Article 14507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:22:56 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361cdd78.1395414@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> <36199871.28EB@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 32 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14507 On Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:11:29 -0500, AL wrote: >Thanks for the feedback on this problem. I especially like the freezer >trick. > >AL > > > > > > >AL wrote: >> >> Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to >> remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this >> stuff or does everyone just ignore it? >> You can buy screens, which are placed on the top, instead of a queen excluder, with smaller gaps than a qe, for the specific purpose of collecting propolis. The freezer method is used to harvest it. Propolis fetches more money than honey or wax, for the 'health' market, for its antibiotic properties. Some people even think that eating small amounts of propolis induces a slight euphoria...legally! Don't waste it! Although, if it's a pain in the neck, methylated spirits soon shifts the stuff, and will dissolve it from even fairly tightly woven fabric. Just don't set fire to yourself! -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Article 14508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:11:52 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14508 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman M., You better keep a pitbull dog for that purpose. cheers, H. -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ Article 14509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wet honey supers Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:53:46 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.156 Message-ID: <36178362.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14509 What is the best way to feed back freshly extracted supers to the bees this time of year or is this a no-no? Other sticky part is that I have strips on. How does this affect the decision making process. Because the if general consensus is not to place them on top because of the strips, is it really any different from put them 20ft away? By the way my one full colony yielded 14gals. The three others are August splits that are built up for a great spring. thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally......NO_SPAM} Article 14510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:31:00 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <362907b6.9174682@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-23.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!insnet.net!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-23.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14510 On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:11:52 +0200, Hugo Thone wrote: >Marc Andelman wrote: >> >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >> strain of legally available bees one could get? >> You don't even need the bees. Just put a sign up saying "Dangerous Bees. Do Not Approach". Article 14511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361A1134.748CB472@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:46:45 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.84 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907677920 206.28.32.84 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:20 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14511 The best thing you could get that will work day or night is a skunk. Have a nice day! Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Article 14512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-fra.maz.net!bignews.mediaways.net!nyd.news.ans.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Hedemark Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:09:30 +0000 Organization: IBM Lines: 44 Message-ID: <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com> Reply-To: hedemark@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fordman.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14512 Howdy! I am writing from my work address. Please respond to my personal address, chris@yonderway.com as well as hedemark@us.ibm.com so I can read and respond to your message in a timely fashion. I maintain a rural living / homesteading web server at http://www.yonderway.com/rural and would be interested in hosting some FAQ documents on my server. The visual format would have to match the rest of the site (fonts, page header, page footer) but the content is totally up to you. I can build a template for you so you don't have to worry about special formatting or fonts or anything. The site is a non-profit site run out of my pocket, and I'm not asking for any money for the space or for people to use it. Due to the up-and-down nature of most web sites, I try not to link externally if I can help it and provide as much content locally as I possibly can. So if you maintain a FAQ document about darned near anything worthwhile for homesteaders to read, please drop me a note and we can talk about it. Inline graphics are okay but please use them sparingly (with some exceptions... like a how-to on butchering chickens would be good to have many photos for example). I'm most interested in seeing FAQ's included on: * Beekeeping * Small scale livestock (day-to-day, butchering, etc) * Crops * Homeschooling * Canning / preserving foods * Soap / candle making * Traditional and alternative construction techniques * Energy conservation * Alternative energy sources * Land management * Ponds * Water storage * Machinery on small farm / homestead * Use of working animals (draft horses, livestock guardian dogs, etc.) * You name it... homesteading is such a diverse subject that this is pretty open -- Chris Hedemark hedemark@us.ibm.com Article 14513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.research.careers Subject: Re: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:50:50 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6valuc$a4d$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 Oct 1998 14:43:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14513 sci.research.careers:29530 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com>... > >sounds like someone is fixin to brew up a bug > >if anyone could answer that it'd be Dr. Ambrose at North Carolina State >University >the problem is getting him on the phone and when you do..., his arrogance and >nose stuck up ness will wanna make ya barf > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Academics have a guaranteed job for life, can take a year off with pay, have slave labor without benefit of US citizenship rights, OSHA,etc., and use public money for their own private patents and businesses. Why should they talk to woe be gone, bee stung fly raising honey farmers like us? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making creamed honey? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 15:36:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6v6gdg$ngn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981006113616.19678.00002980@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14514 One easy way is to start with a 5 gallon bucket of light honey and introduce (very carfully so as not to intorduced any air) a "seed" of one-pound of fine creamed honey (Stollers is a very good choice) and mix very slowy to keep from introducing any air. Bottle. Store in a location that stays at a constant low fifty degrees (F) for about 3-4 weeks and you will have a highly qaulity creamed honey. Ron Bennett, Luckaimute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 14515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extraction questions Date: 5 Oct 1998 16:51:29 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 42 Message-ID: <01bdf07f$762fd140$d865400c@micron> References: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.216 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14515 Bill Greenrose wrote in article <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net>... > > fifth, even though this little extractor i bought works really well, and > is not that hard to use, from a time management/labor standpoint, it's > the most inefficient part of the process. i'm not excited about the > idea of spending even more hours cranking the handle next year, when my > colonies are mature and really producing. so, even though it's been > asked here before, i wasn't paying attention and missed the answer, > which is why i pose the question, again. does anyone have a basic > conversion plan to motorize a manual extractor? i can rig up a support > and drive train assembly, but, i don't know about hp or rpms. > > I did 3 things this year that made my life a lot easier: 1. I stacked the supers and let a small nursery heater (low heat) blow through them to warm the comb. 2. Kludged a motor to my 2 frame Dadant Jr. bench extractor by turning over an old 2 speed floor polisher and running a belt from the spindle where the brushes attach to the extractor shaft. It was the most beautiful engineering kludge I have come up with in a long time. No gear ratios to worry about. The RPM's were ideal. About 5 minutes a side. I did 40 mediums and 10 deeps (frames, not supers) in an afternoon. The real beauty of the motor is that it allows you to multi-task. While frames are spinning, you are uncapping. 3. I built a small bench that I attached to the side of my workbench in the garage. It is tall enough to slide a 5 gal bucket under the gate on the extractor. I secured the extractor to this bench with perforated plumbers strap. No more walking extractor. On my list for this winter is to locate a 1/4 HP, 1700 RPM split phase motor. The floor polisher is being sold at a garage sale this weekend :( -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 14516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:34 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6vb9e3$rd9$1@news.vic.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14516 how do you figure the bees wont mistake you for an intruder and sting you and your family? Larry Susan K. Wehe wrote in message <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com>... >I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your >property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's >name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a >pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where >only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly >be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. > > > >Hoping this is just a troll, >susan > >Marc Andelman wrote: > >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >> strain of legally available bees one could get? >> >> Regards, >> Marc Andelman > Article 14517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:31:16 -0700 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <361A7E14.5C65@povn.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> <362907b6.9174682@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp242.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14517 > >Marc Andelman wrote: > >> > >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > >> strain of legally available bees one could get? Kidney John replied: > You don't even need the bees. Just put a sign up saying "Dangerous > Bees. Do Not Approach". Yo All: By far the most effective "No Trespassing" sign I have ever seen was merely a small, hand lettered, warning "BRAHMA BULLS." Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: yunxiang@vt.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:50:37 -0300 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.173.215.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907706862 23882 128.173.215.6 (6 Oct 1998 20:47:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 1998 20:47:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14518 Ron Schmidt wrote: > > I have heard that most honey is heated up at some part of the process > of getting it from the hive into a bottle. > I just want to know if this is mostly true or not. > I went to Mexico, and found that most of the local beekeepers there > claimed not to heat their honey ever. > help Ron, The term 'raw' refers more to the filtration of the honey than heating. Raw honey will contain active pollen, bee parts, and other fine particles. The honey may have been crudely filtered, if at all (i.e. wire strainer or ladies' hosiery-preferably unused). Many people purchase local honey for their allergies. It is believed the pollen in the honey aids in building up resistance. A similar concept that doctors use when injecting low dosages of allergens into a patient's arm. Heat is utilized for two primary reasons. First, honey flows better at higher temperatures. As a result, its easier to bottle honey at 100F than 70F. Second, honey is heated, or 'pasteurized', to remove sugar crystals. The crystals serve as seed to promote crystallization of the honey. I placed quotes around the term pasteurized because temperatures used for honey are far below what would be needed to kill off molds, yeasts, etc. Temperatures in the range of true pasteurization, as in milk, would alter the taste of honey by burning the sugar. Article 14519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:56:59 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 45 Message-ID: <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p32-max5.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14519 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find a "Warning - Live Bees" sign at the gate very effective. The same sign in the back of a car seems to engender more respect than the "Baby on Board" variety too ;> Adrian Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9-- Article 14520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:57:55 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <362dae3f.24759121@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 40 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14520 On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:50:37 -0300, yunxiang@vt.edu wrote: >Ron Schmidt wrote: >> >> I have heard that most honey is heated up at some part of the process >> of getting it from the hive into a bottle. >> I just want to know if this is mostly true or not. >> I went to Mexico, and found that most of the local beekeepers there >> claimed not to heat their honey ever. >> help > >Ron, > >The term 'raw' refers more to the filtration of the honey than heating. >Raw honey will contain active pollen, bee parts, and other fine >particles. The honey may have been crudely filtered, if at all (i.e. >wire strainer or ladies' hosiery-preferably unused). Many people >purchase local honey for their allergies. It is believed the pollen in >the honey aids in building up resistance. A similar concept that doctors >use when injecting low dosages of allergens into a patient's arm. > >Heat is utilized for two primary reasons. First, honey flows better at >higher temperatures. As a result, its easier to bottle honey at 100F >than 70F. Second, honey is heated, or 'pasteurized', to remove sugar >crystals. The crystals serve as seed to promote crystallization of the >honey. I placed quotes around the term pasteurized because temperatures >used for honey are far below what would be needed to kill off molds, >yeasts, etc. Temperatures in the range of true pasteurization, as in >milk, would alter the taste of honey by burning the sugar. My honey is extracted at room temperature, though slightly warmer than usual, and is only coarsely strained. I leave it to strain naturally, no pressure, or heating, just a long slow drip. There are never any bee parts, but some wax and pollen gets in. A cup of coffee without a film of wax, isn't a decent cup of coffee! Anyway, the wax must be nutritious too, it's made from food..... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: yunxiang@vt.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patties Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:25:25 -0300 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <361A6EA5.2990@vt.edu> References: <36198360.403B@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.173.215.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907705349 23882 128.173.215.6 (6 Oct 1998 20:22:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 1998 20:22:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14521 Ken Coyle wrote: > > Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? > -- > Ken Coyle > "Carpe Ductum" Seize The Tape > coyle@golden.net > http://www.golden.net/~coyle Its an easy mix. 2 parts sugar and 1 part vegetable shortening. Article 14522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: 4 Oct 1998 17:46:27 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 69 Message-ID: <01bdefbd$ff2ae2e0$5965400c@micron> References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.89 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14522 Dick, I keep 2 hives in my 30ft x 40ft urban lot with no problems. This also serves my kids and their friend as a play yard with no malicious stinging (an occasional squashed bee renders a stinger though). To get along with the neighbors, the bees should be forced to fly up before exiting your property. A fence or hedge will do. And don't forget to give the neighbors some honey. Also be sure to check your zoning laws. Where I live you can keep 2 hives on a lot within the city limits. Oddly enough, the county permits 0 hives on a strictly residential lot. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! disabledvet@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Hi Again: I just returned from a trip to Ireland - was most enjoyable - > being away from work. I discovered that if one wants to retire, one needs > some $$$$$$$$. A cottage that we rented, allowed me to rest - while my wife > and sister-in-law would car travel, if it was not a good day for me to > travel. I contacted a local beekeeper next door (semi-rural setting) > indicated that he had just put his five hives up for the Winter - I asked him > if there was alot of honey this year and he indicated "no" because of the > weather. I had noticed on our various trips throughout Ireland that I had > not seen any "honey-bees" - that is why I had asked the question to this gent > about honey for the year. That was about all the questions I knew to ask him > - that is what happens when when is a newbie a certain field. "Yes, thank > you very much, I enjoyed my vacation." Regardless - that is in the FWIW > category. > > I received excellent answers and guidance to my question of what type of > hive I should be looking for as it related to my disabilities. I now have > several other questions and if this is not the appropriate forum to ask, > please direct/point me else where. > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. > > Well, my several questions really turned out to be just one. > > Thanking in advance, regardless if it is this forum or if I am directed to > another forum. > > Dick Squires > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > Article 14548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: highly technical questions Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:27:05 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-243-253.s62.as14.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 907900331 8957 207.172.243.253 (9 Oct 1998 02:32:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14548 Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are used in churches to light the incense. That tends to keep stuff burning longer, and it seems not to bother the bees. I've tried all kinds of fuel, in different amounts. Too little, and it burns out pretty quick, too much and it goes out. The charcoal seems like cheating. So what's the secret? Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it (off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. Thanks, Becky in Maryland Article 14549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeening Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:29:07 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6vjrvo$nj5$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: d141.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 9 Oct 1998 02:21:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14549 Vahur wrote in message <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee>... > >Marc Andelman wrote: >>I am sick and tired of getting stung by my Yugo bees. They are > > > >Hi, >What about watch dog bees :-) :-) ? >I advise you to get Italian bees. The most popular bees in the world. >The best time to requeen is summer. > >Vahur > According to that thread, I will be sue bee if I keep my nasty hive. Well, have you ever noticed how a beekeeper and his bees look alike? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Ellis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: multiple groups Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:15:51 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6v9dnd$h1$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip113.birmingham4.al.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-ELN-Date: Sun Oct 4 20:17:01 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14550 Why do we need several different news groups on same thing if everyone is just going to post the same message to all the groups. I see several groups with same messages from same person, and then we gripe about SPAMS. Article 14551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361D7837.318E0F12@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:43:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.176 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907900900 206.28.32.176 (Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:41:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:41:40 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14551 > >>Question #1. How do you keep the smoker going? I use straw and a mix of dry and green grass for fuel and just pump it from time to time to keep it going. Don't use to much smoke. >>Question #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're scraping propolis off things I generally leave the stuff where it is. Article 14552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extraction questions Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:24:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 98 Message-ID: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14552 greetings, all. i pulled my supers today and began extracting for the first time and guess what? i got honey! what an awesome experience. the smell, the look, the TASTE. anyway, i've done the bulk of the frames, with the balance to be finished tomorrow, and i've got a few questions. first, does anyone have any recommendations for good books on extraction? i got 'the new complete guide to beekeeping' by roger morse this past week in preparation, but was disappointed to find that he barely covers the subject [lots of good stuff on other topics, tho.] second, when uncapping with a hot knife, is it standard practice to cut the comb flush with the sides of the wood frame? a few of my frames were lopsided, drawn significantly out beyond the frame on one side and drawn very shallow on the other sided. cutting flush with the frame made sense to me as a way to get the bees to build the combs more evenly next year [not that one can ever tell a bee what to do]. but, i ended up cutting some hefty pieces of comb in the process. so, i wondered if the cut is supposed to be made to a standard depth, instead. third, on the subject of uncapping, i now have an uncapping tank containing several pounds of cappings and honey. this is a basic, plastic tank with a metal queen excluder for a screen and a fine nylon mesh filter, as well. honey is dripping through the screen and filter, but it is a s-l-o-w process. is there any way to speed it up? i spread the cappings around as much as i could and brought the tank indoors, where it's warmer. but, would something like a potato masher speed the process, or is it just a matter of letting gravity do its thing? fourth, is there any kind of rule-of-thumb for knowing when to stop extracting frames? i know there are a million variables to consider: type of extractor [radial, 22 in. ID], drive mechanism/power source [manual, gear, approaching middle-age but active anti-yuppie], size of frames [mediums], temperature [60ish], thickness of honey [average?], etc. be-that-as-it-may, basically, i was wondering if there was a ballpark way to tell when it's time to stop cranking the damn handle. at first, i thought i would spin 'em until that unique, rain-on-a-tin-roof sound of honey pinging on the inside of the extractor stopped. but, i think i can make that happen [by revving the unit faster] way beyond the break-even point on the scale of diminishing returns. so, i periodically inspected the frames to see how much honey was left. but, there always seems to be a l-i-t-t-l-e more there to extract. finally, i settled on a combination of appearance [golly sarge, looks about empy to me.'], weight ['hmmmm, if seems to feel about as heavy as this empty frame. guess i'm done.'], and time ['please, mommy, make it stop.'] i probably cranked for about 45 stop-and-go minutes per load of frames [9], which i suspect is overkill. but, maybe not. as an aside, with this extractor i found that, if i revved it up and, just before i lost it and slipped the clutch, i gave it a really solid hoist, releasing on the upstroke, i could get a burst of over 500 rpm for about 15 seconds. i measured the rpms by lightly touching the knobby portion of the drive shaft on the other side of the clutch from the handle, where there are 2 bumps. 30 bumps in 5 seconds = 15 shaft revolutions in 5 seconds = 45 extractor revolutions in 5 seconds = 540 rpm. most of the time, though, i cranked it at only about half that speed at a minute or so a pop. 9 frames yielded about 2 gallons of strained, filtered honey. does that seem about right? fifth, even though this little extractor i bought works really well, and is not that hard to use, from a time management/labor standpoint, it's the most inefficient part of the process. i'm not excited about the idea of spending even more hours cranking the handle next year, when my colonies are mature and really producing. so, even though it's been asked here before, i wasn't paying attention and missed the answer, which is why i pose the question, again. does anyone have a basic conversion plan to motorize a manual extractor? i can rig up a support and drive train assembly, but, i don't know about hp or rpms. finally, an observation, not a question. i had a full super left over from last year, because i did not have enough to make the investment in extraction equipment worthwhile. this super sat in my unheated garage all fall, winter, spring and summer, sandwiched between two pieces of waferboard. basically, it froze in the winter [at least -15F] and baked in the summer [90+]. i pretty much expected it to be crystallized. but, while very thick, all of it was liquid and extractable. it tastes great, too [well, at least it tastes like honey to me]. even the small amount that leaked out onto the waferboard from some burr comb was still liquid. i've read that honey picks up moisture even in the comb and will eventually crystallize. any comments? well, that's it for this long post. thanks for reading! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:51:23 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3618423B.66C0@midwest.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 907559677 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14553 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > Now you're interested in what's legal? You're not by any chance trying to keep your wife away from those damaged pots & pans are you? :) AL Article 14554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet honey supers Date: 5 Oct 1998 00:25:57 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6v93ml$g0i@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <36178362.0@news.aiusa.com> <19981004163338.03214.00001131@ng128.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.56.98 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14554 Pollinator wrote in message <19981004163338.03214.00001131@ng128.aol.com>... > >From: "logcabin" > ><time of year or is this a no-no? Other sticky part is that I have strips on. I concur with Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop - I keep the fall wet supers either under cover or indoors until I can expeditiously return them to the hives over the inner covers. The theory is that they will only bring surplus honey down into the brood supers where it will not be extracted (and where the strips are). The only tricky part may be that the timing is difficult, as here in New Jersey the colder weather seems to come just as the fall flow is still on, and I try to get the supers off, extracted, and on again so the bees don't either "plug" up the comb where the queen may still be laying, or put any nectar up above the inner cover (which I'm told is unlikely, but I'm reluctant to take anything for granted). Incidently, a badminton racket does a good job on yellow jackets as they strip clean any extracting equipment left out to dry before a final cleaning. I pull in the supers after the first hard frost, to store them for the winter, the theory being that the wax moths become inactive for the winter. I will pull the apistan strips some time afterwards, per the manufacturer's specifications (which is likely, but not certain, to be after the first hard frost) / C.Crowell Article 14555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leroy@nospam.com (Leroy Rodriguez) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Woodenware and equipment in New Mexico Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:23:19 GMT Organization: Santa Fe Institute Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6v8pac$e5c$1@santaclara.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialesp204.roadrunner.com X-Trace: santaclara.santafe.edu 907536524 14508 209.12.74.204 (4 Oct 1998 21:28:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@santafe.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 1998 21:28:44 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!nntp.csuchico.edu!cscnews.csc.calpoly.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!mr2.mst6.lanl.gov!fugu!SantaFe!leroy Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14555 For Sale Woodenware and miscellaneous beekeeping equipment. 10 complete hives and approximately 20 10" deep supers in good condition. Needs some work. Equipment located in northern New Mexico around the Espanola Area. Best offer receives the whole lot. Respond Via Email to Leroy@roadrunner.com or call after 6:00PM (505) 753-6516 Note: Spam protection in place. Article 14556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Edward Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carniolans Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:20:51 -0400 Organization: Bell Atlantic Internet Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-127-39.bellatlantic.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!world1.bellatlantic.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14556 Greetings fellow beekeepers. This is my first year as a beekeeper. I am starting with just one hive, which I started from a nuc. I have had the hive since May, and it is doing very well. My problem is everything I have read indicates that carniolans are a breed of bee that dispite your best efforts at hive management, may still likely swarm on you. In my neighborhood I know that 10 to 20 thousand bees hanging from your mailbox or in front of your front door is LAWSUIT MATERIAL. I am considering getting an Italian or Midnite queen very soon to ensure that by the time spring rolls around again, I won't have any Carniolans left in the hive. Any related experiences, or advice would be greatly appreciated. Ed ewatkins@bellatlantic.net Article 14557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Oct 1998 04:51:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Message-ID: <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.shore.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14557 I quite honestly have to laugh on this one... >How do you keep a smoker going? How to keep a smoker going...well, it is one part brain and another part smoker fuel. When one first starts the smoker, remember to layer the contents. Pine sawdust tends to work well as a starter, then layer it with pine needles, a medium dry tall grass and some more shavings. Then, the real trick is to notice when it is time to refuel... When you drive a car, you don't run it till it is out of gas, a smoker is similar to a car in that you do not run it till it quits, then refill, you fill the car BEFORE it runs out of gas. Just a thought... TTYL Monica > When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. well, think productively, there are a few places which pay for cleaned propolis, why not collect it and sell it! Otherwise, you can scrape it off on the side of the box to get rid of it...your shoe...now that is being creative...let's think of some others...how about filling the rust spots on the car...or...puttying windows... ;o) TTYL Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 14558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!diablo.uninet.ee!not-for-mail From: "Vahur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee> <6vjrvo$nj5$1@strato.ultra.net> Subject: Re: requeening Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:14:39 +0300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <361d9b85$0$179@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.40.195.71 X-Trace: 907910021 179 (none) 193.40.195.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14558 Marc Andelman wrote: >According to that thread... My question was a joke, I suppose so is your's. Best regards Vahur Article 14559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extraction questions Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:28:24 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 907565193 18225 207.49.166.3 (5 Oct 1998 05:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 1998 05:26:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14559 Cool, man; cool. One user on here suggested that room temp should be pushed up pretty high to get the honey to flow more rapidly. Fun, huh? Article 14560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patties Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:40:42 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6vh1t5$3f0$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <36198360.403B@golden.net> <361A6EA5.2990@vt.edu> <6vf989$gb7$1@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust172.tnt1.westfield.in.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Wed Oct 7 17:44:22 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14560 In article <6vf989$gb7$1@juliana.sprynet.com>, "E.L.Scofield" wrote: >>Ken Coyle wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? > > >That's by weight. I use a 1 lb. can of Crisco to a 2lb. bag of granulated >sugar. > If I may.... At a recent Indiana Beekeepers workshop it was mentioned that a bit of honey in the mix may incourage the bees to use the mixture. I found that it is true. Last winter I used patties ( with Terramycin) and it was poorly accepted. This year I added approx 4oz of honey to a 20 patty ( 6oz) mix. They were 60% gone after two weeks. I want the terramycin dosage spread out. This spreads the dosage out to where I wanted it. Please delete the spam from my name and the NO from my provider. Article 14561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb honey Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 09:29:24 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <17FE98578S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> <01bdf22d$279ea380$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14561 In article <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> Adrian T Stacey writes: > >This consists of forty plastic cassettes imprinted with a foundation layer in >the base.... > >I do intend to try tracing the supplier, so anyone interested may like to >email me. > >Adrian > The equipment you describe is Hogg Cassettes, brainchild of John(?) Hogg. I do not have an address for Mr. Hogg, but many equipment suppliers sell the Hogg equipment. Hogg half comb cassettes are the major competetor with Ross Rounds (there are pros and cons for each system). Just about any supplier that carries one carries the other, at least here in the States, I don't know about kiwi land. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:34:14 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-46.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-46.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14562 On 9 Oct 1998 04:51:33 GMT, hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) wrote: > >>How do you keep a smoker going? > I use cylindrical rolls of corrugated cardboard, which smoulder nicely, but depends on the 'nature' of the material used. If you have an old cotton sheet (bed linen), leave it out in the rain for a few days, then when it is dry, it can be torn up and makes excellent smoker fuel. When you put the smoker down, stand it upright, and it should act as a 'flue', as the hot air and smoke rise out of the nozzle, air is drawn in at the bottom, causing a 'draught' which ought to be enough to keep the smoker burning. experiment with different materials. Optimum is something which is free, and natural, like grass or straw or, as in another reply, bits of tree! hth -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk ICQ 20388351 "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb honey Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:37:44 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 59 Message-ID: <361DE777.937FC2C@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> <01bdf22d$279ea380$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> <17FE98578S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p10-max10.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14563 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> > Adrian T Stacey writes: > > > > >This consists of forty plastic cassettes imprinted with a foundation layer in > >the base.... > > > >I do intend to try tracing the supplier, so anyone interested may like to > >email me. > > > >Adrian > > > The equipment you describe is Hogg Cassettes, brainchild of John(?) > Hogg. I do not have an address for Mr. Hogg, but many equipment > suppliers sell the Hogg equipment. Hogg half comb cassettes are the > major competetor with Ross Rounds (there are pros and cons for each > system). Just about any supplier that carries one carries the other, > at least here in the States, I don't know about kiwi land. > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! I bow to your knowledge of what is avaailable inthe US. I had not heared of Mr Hogg, the Ross Rounds of course are known to me. I still have about twenty cassettes of Kiwicombe filled about seven years ago, spooning into them is a GREAT luxury Adrian --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC-- Article 14564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Oct 1998 10:00:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3618423B.66C0@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981005060059.25995.00002918@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14564 those little german devils would fit the bill nicely Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:11:55 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <3625fc4b.9049729@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <361DE877.3022B944@valkyrie.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-169.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-169.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14565 On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:42:00 +1300, Adrian T Stacey wrote: > > >Kidney John wrote: > >> When you put the smoker down, stand it upright, and it should act as a >> 'flue', as the hot air and smoke rise out of the nozzle, air is drawn >> in at the bottom, causing a 'draught' which ought to be enough to keep >> the smoker burning. > >This reminds me of advice I received many years ago. On bee stings, the >suggestion was to use the smoker nozzle to scrape the stinger off at skin >level - if you burned yourself, the smoker was running too hot! > Good thinking! One definite advantage of this is that the smoke covers the scent of the venom, and so cuts down the likelihood of attracting more apian aggression..... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk ICQ 20388351 "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Hedemark Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:42:51 +0000 Organization: IBM Lines: 42 Message-ID: <361E12DB.A7574FBF@us.ibm.com> References: <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com> <6vkqk3$8tk$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: hedemark@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fordman.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14566 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >I am writing from my work address. Please respond to my personal > >address, chris@yonderway.com as well as hedemark@us.ibm.com so I can > >read and respond to your message in a timely fashion. > > Posting and then informing the group that you don't want a follow-up will only > produce follow-ups. :) Sorry the intention was that if folks were going to email me, to please use both addresses. As you can see I was also following the newsgroup for followups. > If you want to make a FAQ, remember that beekeeping, and all forms of > apiculture, are extremely dependent on the area where the management is > being practiced. I'd be glad to archive and point to any specific regional > beekeeping FAQ you come up with at http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees I don't really know anything about beekeeping but I'd like to. What I was offering was basically space for anyone else who is inclined to want to do it. This way the FAQ will be on a site that is rurally/agriculturally oriented, and you won't get stuck with those annoying Geocities pop-up windows. :-) > You could point your beekeeping links to other already established sites on > the net too. Not a big fan of links. Too many sites go up an down. The aim is to accumilate as much original content as possible, or to mirror existing content (with the permission of the author, of course). The Food Storage FAQ is one such example of an existing FAQ that is about to be mirrored at http://www.yonderway.com/rural. If there *is* an existing FAQ, don't you worry about the possibility of the web site going down without any word from the author, or the author losing interest? Mirroring content is much better for preserving collective wisdom than everybody linking to one site, IMHO. -- Chris Hedemark hedemark@us.ibm.com Article 14567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!chenness From: chenness@sfu.ca (Craig Adam Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have a few bee questions Date: 9 Oct 1998 22:33:19 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6vm2vf$af3$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.sfu.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14567 Hi, my first question is how much sugar water is enough for the winter.. say for an average hive that's doing fine that's 2 supers big. I've fed mine about 8 kg of sugar, and i thinnk that may be enough.. is it? Also, I have earwigs under the cover that keep coming back, that don't seem to interfear with the bees, so they're probably no harm, they just like the heat maybe.. Also what benifit do bees get from the little wasps that pull the dead bees away, and spiders that eat the bees, but may also eat other intruders? Thanks for any information, Craig. Article 14568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3618CF9A.FA9BB1D9@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Iran References: <3614DF33.C289EA8C@lboro.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:54:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.90 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907595590 206.28.32.90 (Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:53:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:53:10 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14568 > > I'm a beginer beekeeper but I can try to help. > > >1. When do you start feeding of bees on spring? What ratio of sugar and > >water do you use? > I think you start feeding them as soon as the weather warms up and they > start to get active. Spring sugar mix is half sugar half water. > >2. Why do you feed your bees by sugar? to increase the hives or to > >prepare the bees for honey producing? > It is my understanding that it is to get them on a good start for the > honey flow. > >3. What is the race of your queens? doees it producing lots of > >offsprings or not? > My bees are Italians, yes many eggs. Some people like Caucasian bees for > their gentelness as are Carniolan. Buckfast bees have come to be popular > with some latelely. Article 14569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: 10 Oct 1998 00:16:48 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6vm91g$l3l@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <361DE877.3022B944@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.56.98 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14569 With regard to smokers and stings, I have been told that if you get stung on the arm or hand, to "smoke" the area (after removing the stinger) to eliminate the "scent" that can induce other bees to sting in the same area. I have noticed that before I began using this technique, I often sustained multiple stings in the same part of my hand. / C.Crowell Article 14570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: 10 Oct 1998 01:42:23 GMT Organization: Road Runner Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bdf3ee$e7b35ea0$20955d18@ericahls.maine.rr.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Reply-To: "rick" NNTP-Posting-Host: dt081n20.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14570 One of the best smoker fuels I've found is punky Elm or Birch thats been dried for several months. It burns slowly and cooly and it can sit quite a while before it goes out, if it does at all. I keep a coffee can with lid handy for all the scrapings. Bits of propolis and burr comb on the ground only attracts ants, skunks and other varmints. Article 14571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:18:35 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <361fbf63.12467737@news.monmouth.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6p45.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14571 Rebecca Davis wrote: >Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical >questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep >the smoker going? Used baling twine works fine for me- I start it with a wad of burning paper in the smoker, drop in a few hunks, then a pretty good batch, pumping the bellows to get in going pretty well. No trouble keeping it going. >Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The nearest hive stand/tree? Or, just shove the hive tool in the dirt a few times. If you have "soil" like mine, the shale and clay will clean it nicely. -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B Article 14572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HOT News--Another bee barn fire! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:33:33 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <361eb7f2.20976590@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.57.104 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.57.104 Lines: 42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.57.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14572 Just some breaking news you may want to check in at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm for this and much more. ttul Andy- Just Beekeeping News© also called the "Killer Bee & Worm Journal" with newest articles on top. EDITOR Andy Nachbaur. WARNING opinion is not necessarily the facts or the last word. Quote at own risk with my permission. Last updated 10/08/98 03:09 PM. 10.8.98 Tucson, Az. Health Dept. forces beekeeper to move his hives. 10.8.98 Fire downs one Idaho beekeeper who has suffered enough in the past no thanks to our Bee Cops. Bee Business Destroyed By Fire -(PARMA) -- A Parma bee farmer says he will NOT rebuild the bee barn he just lost in a fire. The beeswax and sawdust fueled the fire south of Parma yesterday...but firemen from four departments were able to save Marvin Smith house and his father's home. There were no bees in the building... but Smith lost 500-thousand dollars because he had NOT insured the building or the equipment. He thinks some grinding work done earlier in the day may have provided the spark that set off the massive fire. *More details as found.See Brians fire pictures here. Clinton nixes ag funding bill! Nothing for honey price protection yet! Holding out for a $7.7 billion aid package for farmers, President Clinton today vetoed the $60 billion agriculture funding bill for fiscal 1999. Clinton had repeatedly warned he would veto the bill if funding for the farm bailout did not do enough to help farmers facing low prices and poor weather conditions. If approved, a $7.7 billion plan favored by Democrats would raise crop price supports, while the $4.2 billion Republican-backed program offered disaster relief and bonus payments to compensate for weak exports. 10/08/1998 11:45 a.m.CDT ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: "Konrad Bauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb honey Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:39:53 +0200 Organization: 1 & 1 Internet Anwender Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.52.52.227.rev.rmc.de X-Server-Date: 7 Oct 1998 18:40:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14573 Sometimes i read about comb honey. Please give me informations for what comb honey can be used. As i know here in germany it is not available. -- thanks, ciao, Konrad konrad.bauer@online.de Article 14574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.cs.utwente.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in China Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:57:25 +0100 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3618FA73.A46189DF@xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn1010.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn1010.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.151.242] X-XS4ALL-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:55:51 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [nl] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14574 from: thunder@nospam.primenet.com (Rienza China Consultancy) Organisatie: Rienza China Consultancy Nieuwsgroepen: alt.hobbies.beekeeping I'm looking for information on beekeeping in China - both hobbyist and commercial beekeeping. I'm particularly interested in the major regions in which beekeeping takes place in China and the level of commercialization there. Also - which strains of bees are used? The honey I've seen from China has been rather thin and watery. Is this because it has been adulterated with water or sugar syrup is it naturally thinner than North American honeys? Jeff -- Abe Maaijen Article 14575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:21:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6vn93n$h3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <361fbf63.12467737@news.monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14575 gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) wrote: >Used baling twine works fine for me- I start it with a wad of burning paper >in the smoker, drop in a few hunks, then a pretty good batch, pumping the >bellows to get in going pretty well. No trouble keeping it going. Baling twine is often treated with poisons to keep mice and rats from chewing on it. Who knows what kind of chemicals you are puting into your hives and your lungs when you use it in your smoker. I prefer natural products like wood chips. Greg - the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:45:36 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6vevq2$2u0$1@news.vic.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.48 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14576 better is beware bee yard is infested with rattle snakes. Larry Adrian T Stacey wrote in message <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz>... >I find a "Warning - Live Bees" sign at the gate very effective. The >same sign in the back of a car seems to engender more respect than the >"Baby on Board" variety too ;> > >Adrian > >Marc Andelman wrote: > >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >> strain of legally available bees one could get? >> >> Regards, >> Marc Andelman > > > Article 14577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: 7 Oct 1998 13:16:00 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bdf1f4$77427440$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> <362907b6.9174682@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <361A7E14.5C65@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-07.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14577 > Kidney John replied: > > > You don't even need the bees. Just put a sign up saying "Dangerous > > Bees. Do Not Approach". > I would be very carefully with setting up such signs. "Bees are not dangerous", thats our message to concerned people in our neighborhood (sp.?). If you want to keep bees in dense populated areas such signs might be very contraproductive! So I would preferre bulls, pitbulls, rattlesnakes, (fake) electric fence or whatever to keep people away from my hives. Ulli Article 14578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb honey Date: 7 Oct 1998 20:01:36 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bdf22d$279ea380$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-07.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14578 Konrad Bauer wrote in article <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de>... > Sometimes i read about comb honey. > Please give me informations for what comb honey can be used. > As i know here in germany it is not available. > You can eat it! For some kinds of honey (Heidehonig) it is simply the only way to get it out of the hives. These honey types are to firm into the combs to centrifugate. So the comb with the honey is cut out -like in the very early days of beekeeping or honeyhunting. People think it is good for their health. The contents of pollen is higher and you will get also some propolis. Some people also eat capping wax for the same reason. I know that you can get it in Germany (for example Heidehonig, but also all other kinds of honey are produced for this special purpose), not in the supermarket (sometimes they sell honey with a piece of comb in the jar, thats not the same) and not from every beekeeper, but I know at least 3 in Mainz who sell comb honey to their customers. A local beekeeping club should be able to provide this information. Regards ulli Article 14579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Oct 1998 20:52:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> Message-ID: <19981007165224.26685.00004191@ng115.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14579 I have had very bad experience with this, many horses are sensitive to bee stings, especially racing horses. I recommend avoid having the hives near horses. Article 14580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help before wife finds out! Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Oct 1998 21:12:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6uuh40$78h$1@news.hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <19981007171246.26685.00004196@ng115.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14580 > >> The second is LYE. **DANGEROUS** you MUST protect yourself with resistant >>gear NEVER use lye without safety goggles. A weak lye mixture in warm >water >>will dissolve beeswax. >> > >I agree with the warning about the lye (sodium hydroxide). This stuff will >saponify your cornea on contact (resulting in blindness). Never use lye on aluminum cookwear, it will react and you will have holes in your pans. Article 14581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <361F5C9E.5631FC32@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Renting Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:09:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.146 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 908024907 206.28.32.146 (Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:08:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:08:27 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14581 Good morning beekeepers If you were going to rent one hive to a farmer for the entire year, i.e. be on his land 12 months a year. What would the rent be? Article 14582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (DGraham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: 10 Oct 1998 18:20:55 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.69 X-Newsreader: OUI 1.9 Beta 3 X-Priority: 1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14582 Excerpt from The Scottish Bee Keeper October, 1998 Vol.75 No.10. Report of beekeeping course: Irish Varroa by Archie Ferguson. Advice given by a panel of experts at a beekeeping course in Ireland. "Ignore the internet! On this the panel was unanimous, the reason being that any idiot has access to it and every idiot adds his ha'penny worth of nonesense so that it becomes very difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff." The experts (beekeepers) hailed from Belgium, England, Wales, and New Mexico. Yes! Well! Regards DG !N3 -- DGraham dgraham@clara.takout.net 10/10/98 19:23 --------- Using: OUI 1.9 Beta 3 from http://www.dvorak.com Article 14583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeening Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:04:47 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d127.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Oct 1998 22:57:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14583 I am sick and tired of getting stung by my Yugo bees. They are not nice at all. I used to have some strain captured in the wild that were gentle as kittens, and you could work without a bee suit with them. Which is normal, vicious bees or gentle ones? What time of year do I requeen and what is the best strain of bees? I got Yugos because of their supposed tracheal mite resistance. Is this even true? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen size Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Oct 1998 22:34:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981010183436.16052.00004859@ng60.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14584 Hello! I just had a question about the size of queens. I requeened today, and the queen that I killed was nearing twice the size of the new queen. I was told by someone that the queens only start looking queenly when their ovaries develope fully. Are comercially raised queens usually sold before this happens? Thanks! Dar Article 14585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:09:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port40.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14585 dgraham@clara.takout.net (DGraham) wrote: >Excerpt from The Scottish Bee Keeper October, 1998 Vol.75 No.10. >Report of beekeeping course: Irish Varroa by Archie Ferguson. >Advice given by a panel of experts at a beekeeping course in Ireland. >"Ignore the internet! On this the panel was unanimous, the reason being >that any idiot has access to it and every idiot adds his ha'penny worth >of nonesense so that it becomes very difficult to sift the wheat from >the chaff." After reading one or two posts, it's not hard to tell the idiots. Some pretty damn good beekeepers post here. >The experts (beekeepers) hailed from Belgium, England, Wales, and New >Mexico. Wow, New Mexico has become a country!!!! Greg - the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: dashhound@webtv.net (troy crumrine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Renting Bees Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8480-361FFBEC-23@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <361F5C9E.5631FC32@mis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1351608656-2192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRjyzn6StG2CIfVspRD3j7n4jh+yAIVAKlVqfcjD28DE6zLq6fR38KVrC6Q Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14586 --WebTV-Mail-1351608656-2192 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit i have been looking for that answer for some time but further i would like to know what crops . we have cotten soy pecan in west texas further south we have watermelons cucumbers peppers of all kinds but how much is it worth to set hives on these fields and will i get good honey off these fields . i bought a lot of hives for honey production and now i find there may be more to this. we are very new at this so please don't LOL --WebTV-Mail-1351608656-2192 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1351608656-2192-- Article 14587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-server.ncren.net!not-for-mail From: macas Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Eye Site: Vision Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:55:20 +0000 Organization: MCNC / NC-REN Lines: 62 Message-ID: <361FD7C2.D609F03@ntwrks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp104.ntwrks.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------81090296F9C12D55D0EE5102" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14587 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------81090296F9C12D55D0EE5102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------81090296F9C12D55D0EE5102 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from ntwrks.com (ppp104.ntwrks.com [192.154.76.161]) by netcube.ntwrks.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28739 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: <361FD5FC.B925C1B0@ntwrks.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:47:45 +0000 From: macas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: f Subject: Bee Eye Site: Vision Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 17. B-EYE http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/beye/beyehome.html One of the great treats awaiting Scouts (or any others who learn to search the Web efficiently) is the large number of high quality science Websites put forth by Australian research institutions. B-EYE is yet another such wonderful site. Dr. Andrew Giger, a neuroscientist studying insect vision at the Centre for Visual Science (CVS) at Australian National University, put together this site so visitors could see the world "through the eyes of a honey bee." Although simplified to grayscale images (bees view colors differently than humans), the visual distortions (from human to bee) are fascinating and highly educational. The well-designed site takes the viewer through the specific elements of each visual distortion, offering descriptions, a gallery of pre-processed images, and several options for viewing. The most sophisticated option allows users to set parameters (distance to pattern, horizontal and vertical position, background intensity, etc.) to view a series of images through a human eye, a simulated projection, and eventually, a bee's eye. [LXP] --------------81090296F9C12D55D0EE5102-- Article 14588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:45:10 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 49 Message-ID: <36200DA6.D2191002@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2BE3FD054A1ED85947ED91AF" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p35-max5.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14588 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2BE3FD054A1ED85947ED91AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit honeybs wrote: > >The experts (beekeepers) hailed from Belgium, England, Wales, and New > >Mexico. > > Wow, New Mexico has become a country!!!! > > Greg - the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > Well, our american friends think that NZ is a state but can't quite place where it should be Adrian --------------2BE3FD054A1ED85947ED91AF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------2BE3FD054A1ED85947ED91AF-- Article 14589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Renting Bees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1998 02:33:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <361F5C9E.5631FC32@mis.net> Message-ID: <19981010223355.17211.00006525@ng32.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14589 >f you were going to rent one hive to a farmer for the entire year, i.e. >be on his land 12 months a year. What would the rent be? > > this is a fairly simple ? usually hives are rented singly in the manner of crop seasons, sa if a customer raised pumpkins and watermelons, his first crop ..watermelons would be a rental of 40.00 per hive @here and then his pumpkins would be an additional 40.00 per hive for them. rental fees vary from state to state, I understand there is a section in the bee culture mag that gives local fee ranges. remember though that some crops do not need bees, like cotton for instance ( makes great honey ) so its a favor to you if you're allowed to put hives there...But have em gone before spray time. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey bee vac Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1998 02:23:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981010222339.17211.00006519@ng32.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14590 got this in the mail today Subj: Beevac Date: 10/10/98 8:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: BarryCode To: Hk1BeeMan CC: sales@beeequipment.com Kevin, Sorry its taken me so long to give you some feedback on the beevac prototype. I had originally planned to collect the feral colony two weeks ago but hurricane Georges interferred with that. The following week remained windy with periodic squalls from the tail end feeder band of Georges. The weather finally settled down and I made my move Saturday of last weekl. The colony was located in the wall of a garage and had been there for three or four years......maybe longer. When I removed the outside section of the wall the comb was situated between studs 24 inches on center, three and three quarters inches deep and ten feet long from the ground to the overhang of the roof. It was fantastic to see this massive work neatly situated in the wall of this garage. The collection went off without a hitch.........not one sting. I had made some minor modifications to the vac chamber before b-day. I attached two small chains to the inside of the lid and then attached the other ends to the inside wall of the chamber. This prevented the lid from opening completely which would stress the piano hinges. Then I took an old bicycle inner tube and split it open and glued it with contact cement onto the edge that the lid closes onto. When the glue set I trimmed the excess rubber off and had a nice little gasket that keeps the box air tight. I put two screen door handles......one on each end........on the chamber to make it easier to tote around and I took your advice and created a section of pipe with a number of holes drilled into it that I placed between a shop vac and the hose running into the chamber. It is an excellent way to control the velocity that the bees move through the intake hose. The final modifications I made were to the package cage. I put a heavier lid on the top.....1/2 inch ply...... and secured it with a carriage bolt and a wing nut. That way the lid can be pivoted closed or open. Then I cut a dental floss container apart and used the sides in a similar way over the intake opening in the package cage. I secured the thin plastic to the outside of the cage with one screw so that the plastic can be pivoted to close or open the hole. I had another package cage so I modified this one as well. I was able to load and unload the cages like cartridges. I collected about 8 to 9 pounds of bees with maybe less than 100 killed or injured in the process. Thats' one incredible little invention you've got there Kevin. You might be able to get by with half inch ply. It would make it lighter and the material cost would be less. The entire collection process took me about three and one half hours. As I was cleaning up I would vac up the little knots of field bees that were coming in and clustering on the walls were the comb used to be. When I went back to the site the following day there was about forty or so bees milling about. I didn't miss many. I was a bit concerned that they would try to abscond when I brought them home. I did not see the queen in the process and knew there was a possibility that I had either missed her or injured her. But I figured if she was there I would need to figure a way to keep her in the hive box. The site of the feral colony was less than two miles from my house. So I put a medium honey super on the bottom board with drawn comb. Then I put a queen excluder over that and put a hive body with drawn comb over that. Then I put an empty hive body on top of that and inserted the two package cages into that with two feeders full of their honey. I pivoted open the little white plastic doors.....threw on the migratory cover and in a matter of minutes the bees starting showing up on the landing board. I forgot to mention that I put an entrance screen (Brushy Mt. style) in place to keep them from flying the first day. The following day I pulled the screen and let em loose. Today I went into the hive and removed the package cages........maybe a dozen dead bees in them and reversed the hive body with the medium super. There were a number of dead drones stuck in the queen excluder. I pulled all of the frames and found the queen. She looks fat and healthy and is laying up a storm. The field bees are taking the honey out of the feeders as well as bringing in Brazillian Pepper and I noticed pollen coming in as well. I left the empty hive body on top and added another feeder. I'll pull all of it next weekend. I think I have a success here Kevin. I can't believe how easy the vac made the job. Thanks, Barry Morse Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!194.204.0.7.MISMATCH!newsfeed.uninet.ee!diablo.uninet.ee!not-for-mail From: "Vahur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> Subject: Re: requeening Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:01:57 +0300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.40.195.71 X-Trace: 907833657 176 (none) 193.40.195.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14591 Marc Andelman wrote: >I am sick and tired of getting stung by my Yugo bees. They are Hi, What about watch dog bees :-) :-) ? I advise you to get Italian bees. The most popular bees in the world. The best time to requeen is summer. Vahur Article 14592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Subject: WANTED:USED CLARIFIER / PUMP Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdf4ca$145492e0$86b772ce@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:49:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: sa5.dreamscape.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:49:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14592 WANTED TO BUY : USED CLARIFIER AND HONEY PUMP. PLEASE E MAIL TO DNORTH@DREAMSCAPE.COM OR HOWLETTHILLHONEY@JUNO.COM WITH PRICE AND LOCATION. Article 14593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis production Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:52 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361e777d.1554104@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <8KTS1.1570$av1.3345393@nnrp1.ptd.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14593 On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:32:04 GMT, "Michael Mordenti" wrote: >I'm trying to find information on propolis production. Trap design, >environmental concerns..etc... >If you can point me to a site or book, I would appreciate it. >Thanks, >Mike Mordenti thorne@dial/pipex.com http://www.thorne.co.uk A good propolis 'screen', which replaces the top cover, has gaps, just too small for the bees to pass through, so they fill them with porplolis. Thornes will send stuff anywhere in the world. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Science does not exist merely to annoy Christians. That is just a bonus. (I stole that line) Article 14594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:51 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361c756b.1023886@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> <19981007165224.26685.00004191@ng115.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14594 On 7 Oct 1998 20:52:24 GMT, bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > >I have had very bad experience with this, many horses are sensitive to bee >stings, especially racing horses. I recommend avoid having the hives near >horses. Has anyone any information, or knowledge of any research into just what effect bee-stings have on various animals? I remember reading in the dim and distant past, that very few bee stings could actually kill a horse, and only one would be enough to kill a chicken! Strange request, I'm sure, but I assure you I don't want to go round killing things! It's just curiosity. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Science does not exist merely to annoy Christians. That is just a bonus. (I stole that line) Article 14595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (DGraham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: 11 Oct 1998 11:15:57 GMT Message-ID: <09980911121202.OUI35.dgraham@clara.takout.net> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.91 X-Newsreader: OUI 1.9 Beta 3 X-Priority: 1 Lines: 113 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14595 Nit pick, nit pick, nit pick. Boring! Maybe what we need is a monitored newsgroup, as opposed to a monitored Listserv group, so that a sift out of the downright dangerous, duff, and lunatic advice can take place before publishing. In the interests of honesty I have to admit that I do sometimes enjoy reading the streams of pure paranoia about Federal Government secret plans to spread Varroa, undermine the USA honey trade using foreign producers, the arrival of killer wasps, and more. Yes, there are a number of excellent contributors to this newsgroup, and other groups, who give not only good advice, but well thought out advice and deeply thought out at that. But, it has to be said, there are, to put it bluntly a very large number of nutters on the loose on the net. And this group, as well as other bee groups, has more than its fair share. One must not forget the hoaxers and downright wicked. To my mind the panel of experts advice is well founded (rather than jar your sensibilities I have ommited "international") and should be followed. Better to err on the safe side than have your bees done in by moth balls, hydroflouric acid, mid-winter inspections, or end up following Feds with a camera....etc. I add the following, because it has been pointed out to me that you may well not be flippant; you may well not be nit picking; you may well feel annoyed at what you perceive to be my ignorance of your countries composition and achievements. I apologise whole heartedly, on behalf of the original author, for giving that impression and therefor grounds for causing annoyance. I will have a word with the author of the original report when I see him. Regards, David Graham On October 10 1998, you wrote: >> dgraham@clara.takout.net > (DGraham) wrote: > >> Excerpt from The Scottish Bee > Keeper October, 1998 Vol.75 > No.10. > >> Report of beekeeping course: > Irish Varroa by Archie Ferguson. > >> Advice given by a panel of > experts at a beekeeping course in > Ireland. > >> "Ignore the internet! On this > the panel was unanimous, the > reason being >> that any idiot has access to it > and every idiot adds his ha'penny > worth >> of nonesense so that it becomes > very difficult to sift the wheat > from >> the chaff." > > After reading one or two posts, > it's not hard to tell the > idiots. Some pretty damn good > beekeepers post here. > >> The experts (beekeepers) hailed > from Belgium, England, Wales, and > New >> Mexico. > > Wow, New Mexico has become a > country!!!! > > Greg - the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & > Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, > Maryland, USA > \\ > www.radix.net\~honeybs > > !N3 -- Bye, for now! _________________________________ / \ , , _._ _ |oo| _ / \__/ \ _|||| ((/ () \)) / \ |||||/| ( ==== ) |oo| \____/ _`\ /'_ / \ / /.-' /\<>/\ `\.( () )_._ | ` / \/ \ /`'--'////) \__,-'`| |. |\/ |/\/\|"\"` | |. | \___/\___/ | |. | | | __________________________________ Posted: 10/11/98 at 12:18 BST In : Strathclyde in Scotland. Using : OUI News and Mail off-line reader. From : http://www.peaktopeak.com/ : Treat yourself : Visit to-day! E-Mail: dgraham@clara.net _________________________________ Article 14596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: friess@aol.com (FRIESS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Microwaving of honey Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1998 11:30:06 GMT Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com References: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> Message-ID: <19981011073006.14578.00009448@ng-fa2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14596 From a beekeeping extension officer I've learned that microwaving destroyes encymes in the honey Friedrich Article 14597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!139.134.167.250 From: "Phippsy" Subject: Quiet Queen Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdf510$2e714920$faa7868b@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 7 Date: 11 Oct 1998 22:09:19 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.5.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 908107950 139.134.5.33 (Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:12:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:12:30 EST Organization: Telstra Big Pond Direct Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14597 Hi We are wondering if anyone can give us advise on the best type of Queen bee to get to quieten down the hive. We are due to change Queens and the hive has become a bit nasty. Has anyone tried the Cordonvan Italian bees? Are they quiet? Do you need just a Queen or a Drone as well? Hope you can help us. El and Deb Article 14598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:38:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6vkp8v$naf$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port17.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14598 Rebecca Davis wrote: >Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical >questions, but nobody has, so here goes: > Question #1. How do you keep the smoker going? Dry wood chips. Get them from any wood shop or mill with a planer. > Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. Get a second hive tool and a gallon of denatured alcohol. When your done with the bees scrap off the tool with the other tool and then wash everything with the alcohol. Your tools will always be as clean as new. The alcohol is also great for starting the wood chips. You should always have a squirt bottle of it in your truck. I also carry bar-b-que lighters to reach into the smoker to light it. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multiple groups Date: 9 Oct 1998 10:54:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6vkq1j$7fp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6v9dnd$h1$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907930482 7673 198.82.161.244 (9 Oct 1998 10:54:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1998 10:54:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14599 In article <6v9dnd$h1$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Dennis Ellis wrote: >Why do we need several different news groups on same thing if everyone is >just going to post the same message to all the groups. I see several groups >with same messages from same person, and then we gripe about SPAMS. > > That's how News works. This group had to be created via a protracted process and exists for beekeepers to use. Any alt.* group may or may not exist, but they tend to be less serious than the sci.* hierarchy. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu adamf@radix.net (either will work) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 14600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: 9 Oct 1998 11:04:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6vkqk3$8tk$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907931075 9140 198.82.161.244 (9 Oct 1998 11:04:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1998 11:04:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14600 In article <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com>, Chris Hedemark wrote: >Howdy! > >I am writing from my work address. Please respond to my personal >address, chris@yonderway.com as well as hedemark@us.ibm.com so I can >read and respond to your message in a timely fashion. Posting and then informing the group that you don't want a follow-up will only produce follow-ups. :) If you want to make a FAQ, remember that beekeeping, and all forms of apiculture, are extremely dependent on the area where the management is being practiced. I'd be glad to archive and point to any specific regional beekeeping FAQ you come up with at http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees You could point your beekeeping links to other already established sites on the net too. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu adamf@radix.net (either will work) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 14601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: Coupe/Robinson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee stings - doeas anyone know the Ph ? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:36:57 +0100 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3620D099.F7555EED@globalnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.142.181 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14601 My daughter asked me this question - what is the Ph of bee and wasp stings ? I'm flummoxed, and wondered if anyone out there knows the answer ... ? Peter Article 14602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:15:43 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3620d071.4514102@news.jps.net> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> <09980911121202.OUI35.dgraham@clara.takout.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.55 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.55 Lines: 64 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14602 On 11 Oct 1998 11:15:57 GMT, dgraham@clara.takout.net (DGraham) wrote: >Nit pick, nit pick, nit pick. Boring! >Maybe what we need is a monitored newsgroup, Hi Beekeepers and Friends, There are several monitored groups such as the B-List. If you are interested in joining, as many in this group have, you will find them with urls at: http://beenet.com/index1.htm >honesty I have to admit that I do sometimes enjoy reading the streams of >pure paranoia about Federal Government secret plans to spread Varroa, >undermine the USA honey trade using foreign producers, the arrival of >killer wasps, and more. Thanks for the great reference, I enjoy writing them just about as much as others enjoy reading them and yes they do reflect a diseased mind poisoned by years of beekeeping experience. >To my mind the panel of experts advice is well founded (rather than jar >your sensibilities I have ommited "international") and should be >followed. Better to err on the safe side than have your bees done in by >moth balls, hydroflouric acid, mid-winter inspections, or end up >following Feds with a camera....etc. Every time I hear from the so called experts I think of all the beekeepers here in the US that had their bees killed and lives distressed by the experts, including so called beekeeper experts, who advised the government to kill every bee hive in the US with Acarapis woodi mite when there was good scientific evidence that this was not the thing to do and would not do anything but cause long lasting and permanent damage to good honest beekeepers. This became the only time in the history of the federal government that I know of that they have acknowledged they made an error by listening to the so called BS experts and now used the bee deal to train new regulators in what not to do and who to listen to.. Of course the beekeepers involved have never heard any kind of apology for what was done to them by anyone or have they ever received one queen or package bees promised to some by the bee breeding industry if they went to the gas chambers quietly. I was ashamed at the time to be a beekeeper and did everything one person could do to stop it.. As time heals all and as those involved go on to better things or pass on to a better live I still stand alone in my shame for the experts in this industry and have seen no reason to change my opinion, not even one had what it takes to stand up and be counted at the time..and many knew it was bad science and wrong. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California For Beekeeping News http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Jack Padgett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: deficating beetle causing problems? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:31:59 -0500 Organization: TAMU-CC Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3620DD7E.B9D222CD@falcon.tamucc.edu> Reply-To: jpadgett@falcon.tamucc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.51.228.195 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 908123482 6JLRKAMVIE4C3CF33C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14603 Greetings!! My father, a very well respected beekeeper here in Texas, was telling me of a beetle found in Florida that deficates in the comb. It seems that origin is China. Does anyone have any info on this beetle? thanks in advace, jack padgett Article 14604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.100.164.226!news.presys.com!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail From: toddo@done.net (odok) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Testing....where in U.S.? Wax? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:06:44 GMT Organization: ******* Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3620db65.524984@news.budget.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gp-3.budget.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14604 Concerning antibiotic and mitacide contamination potentials. Concerning general environmental foraging/water collection conditions. United States locations please. Would like to know how/where and $ to have samples of extracted honey tested. Test results interpretive discussion locations also sought. Perhaps its other random properties would be of personal interest also. Rendered wax testing locations also of interest. Reply to group only please. tim Article 14605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen size Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:44:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6vr5av$j83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19981010183436.16052.00004859@ng60.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 11 20:44:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14605 In article <19981010183436.16052.00004859@ng60.aol.com>, heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) wrote: > > Hello! > > I just had a question about the size of queens. I requeened today, and the > queen that I killed was nearing twice the size of the new queen. I was told by > someone that the queens only start looking queenly when their ovaries develope > fully. Are comercially raised queens usually sold before this happens? IF sold as Virgins then yes. If sold as mated laying queens then no BUT they won't generally be in FULL lay which is what you saw if you saw a really stretched out queen in comparison to a caged (for perhaps days) and shrunk down one. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Vinegar Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:06:50 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36211DEA.7DC6@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust220.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Oct 11 14:08:48 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14606 Where can I get information on making honey vinegar? Thanks Don in NC Article 14607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: charlesworth@access1.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax handcream Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:27:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vr7se$n1t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> <6vevq2$2u0$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.109.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 11 21:27:42 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.104.109.18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14607 Does anyone know the website or address or phone # of the woman in Wyoming (?) who makes and sells beeswax handcream? Thanks Shelley -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:42:00 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 44 Message-ID: <361DE877.3022B944@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------36927F640BD0CA5AE130312A" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p10-max10.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14608 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------36927F640BD0CA5AE130312A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kidney John wrote: > When you put the smoker down, stand it upright, and it should act as a > 'flue', as the hot air and smoke rise out of the nozzle, air is drawn > in at the bottom, causing a 'draught' which ought to be enough to keep > the smoker burning. This reminds me of advice I received many years ago. On bee stings, the suggestion was to use the smoker nozzle to scrape the stinger off at skin level - if you burned yourself, the smoker was running too hot! Adrian --------------36927F640BD0CA5AE130312A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------36927F640BD0CA5AE130312A-- Article 14609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news.uunet.ca!news1.ottawa.cyberus.ca!news.cyberus.ca!not-for-mail From: psarr@cyberus.ca (Pierre Sarrazin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: 9 Oct 1998 11:45:35 GMT Organization: Cyberus Online Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6vkt0v$e1b$1@news1.ottawa.cyberus.ca> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip208.ts5.mn.dialup.ottawa.cyberus.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news1.ottawa.cyberus.ca 907933535 14379 209.195.84.208 (9 Oct 1998 11:45:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@cyberus.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1998 11:45:35 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14609 In article <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com>, amused@erols.com says... > >Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical >questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep >the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are >used in churches to light the incense. That tends to keep stuff burning >longer, and it seems not to bother the bees. I've tried all kinds of >fuel, in different amounts. Too little, and it burns out pretty quick, >too much and it goes out. The charcoal seems like cheating. So what's >the secret? Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. >Thanks, >Becky in Maryland > > > Hello Becky To your bee smoker question, I use pine shavings. I acquire these at a local building supply store. They are always custom cutting and planing wood for their customers and they end up with piles of these shavings. Go straight to the woodworking shop and ask whoever is working there if you could fill up a garbage bag full. It will last you a long time. I have never being asked to pay for it. For the propolis on the hive tool, do the best you can. I bring a small propane torch with me to the beeyard. I use it to burn and sterilize my tool so as not to spread any disease. I hope this helps. Article 14610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: Rich Webb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan all winter? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:16:16 -0700 Organization: gte.net Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6vrl82$27r$1@news-1.news.gte.net> References: <6urbdu$ak3$1@strato.ultra.net> <19980929175651.24758.00004003@ng73.aol.com> <6urug0$mbu$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt10.krk1.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: C41F91044FD7C6D017D28491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14610 I believe that the long term exposure to Apistan leads (or could lead) to mites that are no longer as susceptable to the strip. There are several areas in the country that now have mites that are no longer kept in check by apistan, and leaving the strips in the hives for long periods of time is probably the reason. Why leave the strips in for 45 days? The idea is for the mites to be killed over two complete brood cycles, as the mites breed and grow in the larval cells. If you kill all of the mites over the course of two cycles, there shouldn't be any mites left to be affected by the strips. On the other hand, new mites entering the hive will be subjected to a trace of the Apistan. This could lead to Apistan tolerant mites. We often concern ourselves with the "legality" of something, when we should be thinking of "why" something is to be done. The proper use of these substances requires that they be left in for a period of time, not because the government says so, but because leaving them in for longer could and probably will do more harm than good in the long run. Recommendation: Follow the directions, and use for what you imagine to be two brood cycles in your area and present climate. Rich Webb Marc Andelman wrote: > BeeCrofter wrote in message <19980929175651.24758.00004003@ng73.aol.com>... > > > >>Can I go ahead and leave the aspitan in all winter, or > >>should I open the hive up after 45 days, in November? I live in > >>Worcster, MA. > >> > > > >As with all pesticides the label IS the law > >Take them out after 6-7 weeks in the hive and no you can't reuse them > either. > > I don't care about the law. I always used to have an "illegal" > hive or two as well . However, would it hurt the bees? > Does the 45 day limit mean it would get into the honey? > I don't sell my honey but don't want to poison myself either. > > Regards > > Marc Andelman Article 14611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!139.134.165.110 From: "Phippsy" Subject: Quiet Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdf587$071d6940$6ea5868b@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 8 Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:19:19 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.5.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 908158993 139.134.5.33 (Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:23:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:23:13 EST Organization: Telstra Big Pond Direct Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14611 Has anyone any advise on the best quiet bees to obtain and where? Are the cordovan bees quiet or is the only advantage the colour? Have sent one message doesn't seem to have worked thought I'd send another....... Please advise El Article 14612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quiet Bees Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:52:41 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36218B19.85F6AE8F@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bdf587$071d6940$6ea5868b@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx13-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 11 7:53:38 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14612 My cordovans are very quiet and easy to handle. Since cordovan refers to the color, then others may not share the same traits. Look for a breeder that specializes not only in the color but who breds for attitude as well. susan Phippsy wrote: > Has anyone any advise on the best quiet bees to obtain and where? > > Are the cordovan bees quiet or is the only advantage the colour? > Have sent one message doesn't seem to have worked thought I'd send > another....... > Please advise > El Article 14613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36217E4E.44053D79@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Renting Bees References: <361F5C9E.5631FC32@mis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:40:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.79 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:40:37 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14613 Renting one hive is really a pain from a management point of view. It's much easier to put off doing necessary tasks when it's only one hive your talking about. How far is it from your house? Is there a good nectar source on or near his property? If not, think about how much less honey you will be making from that hive. How much is honey worth to you? If there is a good nectar source, put several colonies on the property and call it an outyard. Move your bees in and out at will, but leave one to fullfill your agreement. Whatever you do, don't undercharge and then regret it all year long. Sorry I didn't answer your question. Good luck, Paul Bee Friendly - Eugene, OR michael wrote: > Good morning beekeepers > > If you were going to rent one hive to a farmer for the entire year, i.e. > be on his land 12 months a year. What would the rent be? Article 14614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36217F07.2F1362EC@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quiet Queen Bees References: <01bdf510$2e714920$faa7868b@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:43:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.79 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:43:41 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14614 Most any new queen is going to help calm the hive. All you need is the queen. Phippsy wrote: > Hi We are wondering if anyone can give us advise on the best type of Queen > bee to get to quieten down the hive. We are due to change Queens and the > hive has become a bit nasty. > Has anyone tried the Cordonvan Italian bees? Are they quiet? Do you need > just a Queen or a Drone as well? > Hope you can help us. > El and Deb Article 14615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:35:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6vspm8$rac$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> <09980911121202.OUI35.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <3620d071.4514102@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14615 andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >Every time I hear from the so called experts I think of all the >beekeepers here in the US that had their bees killed and lives >distressed by the experts, including so called beekeeper experts, who >advised the government to kill every bee hive in the US with Acarapis >woodi mite when there was good scientific evidence that this was not >the thing to do and would not do anything but cause long lasting and >permanent damage to good honest beekeepers. >ttul, the OLd Drone >Los Banos, California I agree. Goodpost. The beekeepers lose their bees - the experts still get their paychecks. The more we lose the more job security they have. If the experts had to make half of their salery from keeping bees then we might get somewhere. Until then we are on our own. Greg the beekeep. // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Vinegar Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:24:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36211DEA.7DC6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19981012082451.23793.00000022@ng65.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14616 Information on makine honey wine vinegar is around, you just need to dig a little to find it. The answer to the question depends on whether you want the simple overview or the the intimate details. The simple overview: make simple mead and then dilute 2:1 with water and add some unpastuerized live vinegar from a health food store. Put this mixture in an open vessel that is screened to keep out vineagr flies and wait a few months. Presto! You have honey wine vinegar. For more deatiled information, there are some articles in the bee magazines, a couple books that mention it. For the real deal I spent a few days in the library at UNCG and NCSU. I have been making it for a couple years now and most people just love it. Randy Lynn Greensboro, NC >
Subject: Honey Vinegar
>From: workerbee 
>Date: Sun, Oct 11, 1998 17:06 EDT
>Message-id: <36211DEA.7DC6@earthlink.net>
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>Where can I get information on making honey vinegar?
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>Thanks
>Don in NC
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Article 14617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Irish Varroa: Advice by international panel of beekeepers Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:27:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 66 Message-ID: <6vsp7i$rac$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <09980910180703.OUI81.dgraham@clara.takout.net> <6vopl2$d5d$1@news1.Radix.Net> <09980911121202.OUI35.dgraham@clara.takout.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14617 dgraham@clara.takout.net (DGraham) wrote: >Nit pick, nit pick, nit pick. Boring! >Maybe what we need is a monitored newsgroup Sorry but here in the USA censorship is out. It would only stiffle originality. > as opposed to a monitored >Listserv group, so that a sift out of the downright dangerous, duff, and >lunatic advice can take place before publishing. Although it has not been written, inteligence is a great help in keeping bees. Stupid people should find something else to do. 100 years ago the idea of building computer from the same stuff that sand is made of would have been concidered "lunatic". >To my mind the panel of experts advice is well founded (rather than jar >your sensibilities I have ommited "international") and should be >followed. Better to err on the safe side than have your bees done in by >moth balls, hydroflouric acid, mid-winter inspections, or end up >following Feds with a camera....etc. Expert advice? Be careful for it is usually slanted toward their wellbeing. i.e. the salesman for apistan will jump up and down saying don't use formic acid, the bee scientist will say "we need more studies", and the bee inspector will only talk about legal treatments. >I add the following, because it has been pointed out to me that you may >well not be flippant I am quite often flippant with stupid questions. I don't understand how anyone can try to keep bees when they are too lazy to read anything on the subject. People that are too lazy to apply for a library card shouldn't be posting here. > you may well not be nit picking; I don't think so. > you may well feel >annoyed at what you perceive to be my ignorance of your countries >composition and achievements. I'm not annoyed. My remark about NM was just humor. I know our humor differs but I do like Monty Pyhon and Benny Hill. >I apologise whole heartedly None needed. Peace my friend and may your bees give you much enjoyment. Greg - the beekeep. // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nyd.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Hedemark Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Vinegar Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:01:29 +0000 Organization: IBM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36220BB9.EB875D@us.ibm.com> References: <36211DEA.7DC6@earthlink.net> <19981012082451.23793.00000022@ng65.aol.com> Reply-To: hedemark@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fordman.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14618 RCLynn wrote: > I have been making it for a couple years now and most people just love it. > > Randy Lynn > Greensboro, NC Do you sell it? Chris Hedemark, Hillsborough, NC (right down the street, practically) -- Chris Hedemark hedemark@us.ibm.com Article 14619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.173.251.8!news.iamerica.net!not-for-mail From: "Young Leutwyler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New to BeeKeeping Moving a Swarm Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:23:14 -0500 Organization: LDS iAmerica, ISP Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6vsvsu$nur$1@news1.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.101.116.79 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14619 Hi I just found recently that my father had a swam of bees in his motorhome behind a panel near the electrical generator I am thinking of buying a hive to keep on his place. He does not have any crops but the bees thought it was a good place to live. 1. What is the inital cost of getting setup with a hive. 2. Does this seem like a prudent thing to do. 3. How do I go about moving this hive from the motorhome to the hive. 4. They seemed like they were pretty calm. 5. Should I attempt this myself or try to hire this dun. Thanks in advance for your replies. Young Leutwyler Article 14620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswax handcream Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:01:49 -0700 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3621711D.E66@povn.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> <6vevq2$2u0$1@news.vic.com> <6vr7se$n1t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp253.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14620 > Does anyone know the website or address or phone # of the woman in Wyoming (?) > who makes and sells beeswax handcream? > > Thanks > > Shelley Yo Shelly: I don't know if we are the ones you are thinking about or not but we make Bee Balm hand cream. Sort of like Bag Balm, but not as greasy. Not in Wyoming either - Washington (state that is.) Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Vinegar Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1998 21:23:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36220BB9.EB875D@us.ibm.com> Message-ID: <19981012172301.23795.00000289@ng65.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14621 >
Subject: Re: Honey Vinegar
>From: Chris Hedemark 
>Date: Mon, Oct 12, 1998 10:01 EDT
>Message-id: <36220BB9.EB875D@us.ibm.com>
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>RCLynn wrote:
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>> I have been making it for a couple years now and most people just love it.
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>> Randy Lynn
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>Do you sell it?
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>Chris Hedemark,
>Hillsborough, NC (right down the street, practically)
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>Chris Hedemark
>hedemark@us.ibm.com
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I am getting ready to sell it. I am waiting on a filter to make it crystal clear. I am targeting about $4-6.00 per 375 mL bottle. Randy Lynn Article 14622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stingless bees Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:44:05 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6vu3qs$5n2$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d71.dial-7.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 12 Oct 1998 23:37:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14622 On a trip to Costa Rica I saw stingless bee colonies in the rain forest and learned that people extract honey from them in the wild. Has anyone heard of keeping these in domestication? Perhaps they are varroa resistant. To protect themselves, they pull your hair and smear honey on you. This sounds laughable, but having thousands of tiny bees pull your hair can be quite discomforting. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.45.255.100!coop.net!news.dx.net!news From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clover Seed Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:17:49 -0500 Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vu2bk$j48@news.dx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.162.64.78 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14623 I am looking for a source for sweet clover and white Dutch clover seed in 25, 50, and 100 pound quantities. I have moved back to my small family farm in North East Texas and would like to put in about 40 t0 60 acres in clover for bee forage. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@txk.net Article 14641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: essms@aol.com (Essms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Honey Support Program Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Oct 1998 16:37:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <361c4a37.588627@news.jps.net> Message-ID: <19981013123753.20553.00000076@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14641 I hope to keep bees this spring.Any contacts and inf .are appreciated. Can one obtain assistance from the USDA?Thanks.Arlene Article 14642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey types; and portrail of bees in literature. Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:27:35 -0700 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 37 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3624DF07.8CEFB32F@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14642 Hi all, I've just completed my first year's beekeping, thanks for all the advice that has been given.... I even got enough honey from my two hives to last me through next year.... My questions are: The two hives gave me two very different kinds of honey, one was dark quite strong honey, the other hive was paler, milder and has solidified in the jars already. Is there any good literature out there that can tell me more about honey types and what to look for. I find it amazing that two hives almost side by side could produce such different honey. My second question is a very different one. I have started doing an evening-class just for the interest of it, and one of the projects I have been set is an investigation of pieces of english literature... I figured that it would be different and interestin to use the Honey bee as the subject. There are masses of things written about bee, and many of the things show a very distinct polerisation of views about the little animal. They get misrepresented in newspapers as being killer bees, often novel writers have desrcibed the bee in the horror type genre. Then there is the opposite almost romantic view taken by others... If any of you have any particular favourites, (or ones that annoy) that you know of in popular writing, (poetry, novels, journalism, web-sites, anything really) could you let me know about them. Often the pieces of writing vary so much that you wouldn't think that they were speaking about the same spiecies of animal. Many thanks, and thanks once again for all the advice over the past year. (This morning I awoke to the smell of fresh home made bread and breakfasted on my own bread with lashings of honey from my own bees; heaven, certainly made getting-up and the thought of trudging into work all the more bearable). Paul. Article 14643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news.uk.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!an02.austin.ibm.com!uunet!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stained Stainless Steel Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:32:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3613E6E5.2F76@midwest.net> References: <20887-3613B37B-37@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 907278494 .ZFUVYH4MC 5AD0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14643 donna helmick wrote: > > I have a large stainless stew pot that I would like to use when > straining honey. It holds about 5 gal., is very heavy, has a nice tight > fitting lid, and was fairly expensive (otherwise, AL, I'd buy myself a > new one.) (-: Ok so ya beat me to the punchline... > On the inside bottom and about 2" up the sides, the metal is a > dull, almost black color, compared to the shiny brightness of the rest > of the pan. I just checked with a coworker who is much more of an expert on these things and she agrees with the tomato/acidic food solution - sure beats ether, eh? AL Article 14644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36245840.B48D0D2E@ix.netcom.com> From: Tim Dreste X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quiet Bees References: <01bdf587$071d6940$6ea5868b@default> <36218B19.85F6AE8F@ix.netcom.com> <6vugj6$4o3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:52:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.74.143.223 X-Trace: news1.i1.net 908350878 209.74.143.223 (Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:41:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:41:18 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14644 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > My son figures we should breed queens that have a flourescent blinking light > but have black workers to afford maximum contrast - any ideas on how to make > my nine year old boy's "brilliant" idea a reality? > Not a problem, Jack. You just cross your best queens w/ a firefly, and WALAH! BTW, they'll mate easier if you get them drunk first. ;-> Article 14645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Story Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:59:48 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <362c7ce9.15634522@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-11.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!peer.news.zoo.co.uk!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-11.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14645 If any of you have any particular favourites, [stories] (or ones that annoy) This one fulfills both criteria;- God was creating the animals, not knowing that the Devil was watching him from behind a tree. God held his finger in the air and said "Be!" and instantly, a small golden insect flew into the air. The devil thought "A hah, so that's the way to do it!", and he held his finger in the air. "Now, what was that again? Ah, yes. FLY!", he said..... "Uh-oh.........." -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Diggy Lay, Diggy La. Article 14646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: Timothy Moeller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clover Seed Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:34:34 -0500 Organization: NORAN Instruments, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3624A86A.DCF8FDF6@noran.com> References: <6vu2bk$j48@news.dx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: zuul.noran.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14646 Ditto, destined for fields here in Wisconsin, but would personally prefer Red Clover. Any ideas? Frank Humphrey wrote: > > I am looking for a source for sweet clover and white Dutch clover seed in > 25, 50, and 100 pound quantities. I have moved back to my small family farm > in North East Texas and would like to put in about 40 t0 60 acres in > clover for bee forage. > > Frank Humphrey > beekeepr@txk.net Article 14647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: Timothy Moeller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:31:17 -0500 Organization: NORAN Instruments, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3624A7A5.75C1151F@noran.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zuul.noran.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14647 1. My Dad (the late Dr. Floyd E. Moeller, Research Apiculturist for the USDA and Associate Professor of Entomology at the UW Madison), and his colleagues at the Bee Research Station, had tried a number of things over the years while working the various bee yards in the Madison area. They finally settled on BURLAP. It lights easily, and smolders long without going out (of course, you do have to give the bellows a quick puff once in a while.) Used burlap from various sacks for this purpose was readily available from farmers years ago, although I suspect it is more difficult to come by these days. 2. Propolis on shoes is NOT recommended (for reasons similar to not stepping on chewing gum.) We simply used to scrape off the accumulations on the edge of a super, until enough accumulated to where it could be worked into a ball and disposed of, if necessary. Rebecca Davis wrote: > > Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical > questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep > the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are > used in churches to light the incense. That tends to keep stuff burning > longer, and it seems not to bother the bees. I've tried all kinds of > fuel, in different amounts. Too little, and it burns out pretty quick, > too much and it goes out. The charcoal seems like cheating. So what's > the secret? Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're > scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it > (off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. > Thanks, > Becky in Maryland Article 14648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stingless bees Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:59:18 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: <702aa0$c82$1@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <6vu3qs$5n2$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <36235958.DBDAA1E3@us.ibm.com> <6vvmka$398$1@strato.ultra.net> <7019bj$kt2$1@news.vic.com> <7019io$l1v$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d222.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 14 Oct 1998 13:52:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14648 Larry wrote in message <7019io$l1v$1@news.vic.com>... >sorry for the multilpe posts OUTLOOK express is going bizerk It wont even >let me cancil massages or delete my email messages. Good OLE Bill! > > Larry > > >Larry wrote in message <7019bj$kt2$1@news.vic.com>... >>I saw stingless bees in Florida in the 70's They wernt very agressave and >>didnt gather much honey so they wern't popular. >> >> Larry No kidding? Wow . Do you mean to say that someone made an attempt to domesticate these? What did the hive look like? The wild article in Costa Rica lives in tree hollows and has this really strange proboscis at the entrance which I assume helps keep preditors out. I sure would like to get some of these critters. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Asian Giant Bees Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:01:09 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d222.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 14 Oct 1998 13:53:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14649 Hi group, Has anyone heard of Asian Giant bees. Apparently, these are gigantic honeybees that build huge, open air nests of one comb only. Has anyone heard about bringing these into domestication? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Successfful mite control Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:09:18 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.189 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.189 Message-ID: <3624b09e.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 14 Oct 1998 10:09:34 -0500, 208.232.50.189 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.189 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14650 Greetings.. Cook College (Rutgers) N.J., is giving a course on "Successful Mite Control Procedures" Saturday,11-7-98. Complete details and application located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 14651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 120 year old observation hive? PICTURES to follow next week! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:30:22 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3625c2e8.354535284@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <362372cf.268481309@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <7018ud$ks2$1@news.vic.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-34.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Oct 14 10:31:00 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14651 On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:09:36 -0500, "Larry" wrote: Hi Larry & all, I did take pictures (for once!). When I develop them I'll post them here or someplace where you can see this interesting hive. Matthew >Too bad u didnt take pictures I would like to see them. Good story > > LArry > >fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote in message ><362372cf.268481309@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >>Hi all, >> >>Someone called me on Sunday (10/10/98) with a truly unusual bee-hive >>removal. >> > > > Article 14652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey types; and portrail of bees in literature. Date: 14 Oct 1998 16:30:47 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bdf790$1599e380$f262400c@default> References: <3624DF07.8CEFB32F@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.242 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14652 Too bad it is english literature. A good one would be "Life of the Honey Bee" by Maurice Maeterlink (1902?), but he was Belgian. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail PAUL WAITES wrote in article <3624DF07.8CEFB32F@york.ac.uk>... > Hi all, > >snip> > My second question is a very different one. I have started doing an > evening-class just for the interest of it, and one of the projects I > have been set is an investigation of pieces of english literature... I > figured that it would be different and interestin to use the Honey bee > as the subject. There are masses of things written about bee, and many >snip> Article 14653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 120 year old observation hive? PICTURES to follow next week! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:04:03 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 36 Message-ID: <702mam$ck8$1@news.vic.com> References: <362372cf.268481309@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <7018ud$ks2$1@news.vic.com> <3625c2e8.354535284@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14653 Better not post theme here or u will get flammed, if u need a place to post them let me know I will give u a place. Larry fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote in message <3625c2e8.354535284@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:09:36 -0500, "Larry" > wrote: > >Hi Larry & all, > >I did take pictures (for once!). When I develop them I'll post them >here or someplace where you can see this interesting hive. > >Matthew > > > >>Too bad u didnt take pictures I would like to see them. Good story >> >> LArry >> >>fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote in message >><362372cf.268481309@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Someone called me on Sunday (10/10/98) with a truly unusual bee-hive >>>removal. >>> >> >> >> > Article 14654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asian Giant Bees Date: 14 Oct 1998 17:17:42 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bdf796$61ae2640$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-07.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14654 What are your plans? First aggressive honey bees, then stingles bees, and now the giants? As far as I know giant honey bees are harvested annually by honey hunters. Their nesting trees are owned by families and it is a very dangerous job to get the honey. First the trees are pretty high (60ft) and the job must be done in a new moon night. Reason for this is that it is only in absolute darkness possible to cut of the honey combs from the tree limb without getting killed by the bees. The alarm pheromone of this species is very long lasting and the bees use to follow intruders for quite a long distance. There are a number of fatal accidents every year, not only of beekeepers falling from the trees -still interested in keeping these guys? A friend was able to made a film about this dangerous business with an infrared camera and earned a price for it on the last apimondia. For his job, he studied the mating behaviour of these and other asian bees, he had to do a lot of climbing training with sophisticated equipment before heading out for work. The locals of course use simply a rope and a bucket. I think some years ago was a article about the honey hunters in the National Geographic Magazine. Still thinking about your intention???? Regards Ulli Marc Andelman wrote in article <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net>... > Hi group, > > Has anyone heard of Asian Giant bees. Apparently, these are gigantic > honeybees > that build huge, open air nests of one comb only. Has anyone heard about > bringing these into domestication? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman > > > Article 14655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stingless bees Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:08:10 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <702mif$d61$1@news.vic.com> References: <6vu3qs$5n2$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <36235958.DBDAA1E3@us.ibm.com> <6vvmka$398$1@strato.ultra.net> <7019bj$kt2$1@news.vic.com> <7019io$l1v$1@news.vic.com> <702aa0$c82$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14655 Marc: They looked like regular bees although a little darker in color, I beleive they use them in Hollywood when live bees are needed for movies. Im pretty sure Kelley used to sell them, sombody did as I remember but that was way befor the mite problem. See if u can find any old beekepers in Florida they should know. Larry Article 14656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:52:52 +0100 Organization: roygbbbbiv Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3624D6E4.FBFF1A2A@open.ac.uk> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> <362dae3f.24759121@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14656 Kidney John wrote: > On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:50:37 -0300, yunxiang@vt.edu wrote: > >Ron Schmidt wrote: > >> I have heard that most honey is heated up at some part of the process > >> of getting it from the hive into a bottle. > >> I just want to know if this is mostly true or not. > >The term 'raw' refers more to the filtration of the honey than heating. > >Raw honey will contain active pollen, bee parts, and other fine > >particles. The honey may have been crudely filtered, if at all (i.e. > >wire strainer or ladies' hosiery-preferably unused). Most UK hobbyists only strain their honey, with the possible exception of any unfortunates who have Rape honey solidified in the comb. If Rape honey (or other) has been heated excessively, anyone whose palate can distinguish, say, white wine from battery acid, would know immediately. As a hobbyist, I would dispute any suggestion that the honey I extract contains pollen, except for that in suspension in the capped cells of honey, and be outraged at any suggestion that it containd *any* "bee parts", or other particles. Wax, maybe. Not much of that, either. So: Manage your hive to exclude brood from supers. Select frames with at least 85% ripe honey. Uncap, extract whilst still warm from the hive. Strain into settling tank (coarse screen, fine screen, possibly cheese- cloth or similar); allow to settle for 24hrs (wax rises with air bubbles), put in jars. The first jar and the last jar or two may contain a little wax, these can be kept back for personal consumption, rather than gifts and (few) sales which is where most jars seem to go! Of course, it *may* be different for the commercial beekeepers, if there are any left in the UK, & abroad may again be different! Richard. -- Erratic news-swerver! :. post+e-mail to be sure I get your msg. The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at reader's own risk. Article 14657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clover Seed Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1998 19:00:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3624A86A.DCF8FDF6@noran.com> Message-ID: <19981014150003.09760.00000532@ng75.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14657 Have had good luck and reasonable prices from Pinetree seeds for white clover And for sweet clover from Walter Kelley Co. Local Agway to me had alsike clover reasonably priced. Article 14658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3624FBCD.26BA116E@home.com> From: Hugh Tait <"h.tait "@home.com> Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asian Giant Bees References: <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:15:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.105.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:15:16 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14658 I saw a documentry on these bees... it was very cool.. Here is a writen documentry with photos of the Asian Giant bees. Including a legend in regard to them. http://www.metla.fi/conf/iufro95abs/d5pap144.htm hugh Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hi group, > > Has anyone heard of Asian Giant bees. Apparently, these are gigantic > honeybees > that build huge, open air nests of one comb only. Has anyone heard about > bringing these into domestication? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Article 14659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CLLB80A@prodigy.com (Judith Theis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen substitute? Date: 15 Oct 1998 00:00:44 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <703dvc$18rs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap2-int.news.prodigy.com X-Post-Time: 15 Oct 1998 00:00:44 GMT X-Auth-User: 000000000/40feadb04ecd2b5c X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14659 Whats the recipe for pollen patties? Do the bees use this in conjunction with grease patties? Jon Article 14660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc2.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36253777.1F900BA5@home.com> From: Diane Novak Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A BEEutiful enterprise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:36:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.212.211 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:36:20 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14660 Greetings fellow beekeepers; Am just starting the process of building a migratory bee business homebased here in southern california. Would eventually like to handle perhaps 500 hives. Transplanted this year from East coast. Would appreciate any tips, advise, information, that might be offered. Thanks in advance. Judd e-mail: beebzzz2@yahoo.com Article 14661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: deficating beetle causing problems? Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:37:07 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 513 Message-ID: <17FEFBF8BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3620DD7E.B9D222CD@falcon.tamucc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14661 In article <3620DD7E.B9D222CD@falcon.tamucc.edu> Jack Padgett writes: >... a beetle found in Florida that deficates in the comb.... > The following is taken from the July newsletter of the Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Association: Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >--- Yet ANOTHER New Pest ---< Also found on the internet is news of yet another new pest of honey bees which has been imported into the United States. Description of a harmful hive beetle was found at: http://extlab1.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/mct-0612.htm Report received from Michael C. Thomas, Ph.D. Florida State Collection of Arthropods Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) P.O. Box 147100 Gainesville, FL 32614-7100 U.S.A. email: thomasm@doacs.state.fl.us voice: (352) 372-3505 fax: (352) 334-0737 Aethina tumida Murray (Coleoptera: Nitidulidae), a honey bee L. (Hymenoptera: Apidae)) pest new to Florida and the West- ern Hemisphere In late May, 1998, a beekeeper in St. Lucie County, Florida, discovered beetles severely damaging beehives. The beetles are Aethina tumida Murray, known as an apiary pest in South Africa where it is called the small hive beetle. This the first record for this beetle in the Western Hemisphere. The adults are broad, flattened beetles about 5 mm long and dark brown to nearly black in color. The larvae are elongate, whitish grubs which under magnification can be seen to have rows of spines on the dorsum. Pupae are white to brown and are found in the soil beneath hives. In South Africa, development from egg to adult requires 38 to 81 days, with five generations a year possible during the warmer months. Adults and larvae inhabit beehives, where they feed on stored pollen and honey. Combs are damaged and brood killed by the burrowing of the beetle larvae, and bees have been observed in Florida to abandon combs once they are infested. As an infestation grows, the honey ferments, and bubbles out of the cells. The fermenting honey is said to have the odor of decaying oranges. The beetles are likely to be able to infest the nests of wild bees, as well as feral colonies of honey bees. More information on this pest was found in the second edi- tion of _Honey_Bee_Pests,_Predators,_and_Diseases_, edited by Roger Morse and Richard Nowogrodzki. On pages 171 & 172, Dewey Caron writes: "In Africa, a beetle known as the small hive beetle has been called as destructive as the wax moth. The beetle is only about 0.5 cm long, but both adult and larval stages cause damage in the hive. A. tumida is active only during the summer, during which five generations are reared. The beetles spend egg, larval, and adult stages inside the bee hive but pupate in the soil. Adults gather near the rear of the hive and feed on pollen that falls from the brood nest above them. The larvae mul- tiply in small colonies and the damage wax comb as they feed on honey and pollen. They also attack combs in storage. Larvae develop as rapidly on pollen alone as on a pollen and honey mixture, but they cannot survive on a diet of honey alone. The small hive beetle is widely distributed in tropical and subtropical Africa. Protective measures are apparently nec- essary in some areas. The best control is to maintain popu- lous, active bee colonies, in which the bees keep the number of beetle larvae down. Smith (1960) recommended single- walled hives. It is also important to protect stored combs. The beetles and wax moths may be present at the same time. Lundie (1940) controlled the small hive beetle with carbon bisulphide fumigation of stored combs. Lundie (1951, 1952) and Smith (1960) also stated that the fumigation used for wax moths, such as paradichlorobenzene (PDB), provide suffi- cient control. One can only hope that the beetle will not be transported to other beekeeping areas." In his online newsletter (Apis) Malcolm Tom Sanford writes, "How the small hive beetle made the long trip from its African homeland remains an enigma. The first sign of its presence was a large number of larvae (worms) found in honey extracting rooms. The larvae superficially look like those of the wax moth (Galleria mellonella) and were considered so at first... On closer inspection, however, it becomes clear these are not the growth stage of Lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) but are in fact that of Coleoptera (beetles)... While wax moth larvae have many uniform, small "prolegs," beetle larvae possess three pairs of larger more pronounced legs near the head. Another difference is that the beetle larvae do not gain as great a size as do wax moth larvae be- fore pupation. They also do not spin a cocoon in the hive, but must complete their development in the soil outside the beehive. The adult beetle is red just after pupation and then turns black. It is fairly uniform in color, moves rap- idly across the comb, and is extremely difficult to pick up by hand because it is covered with fine, hair-like spines. It is visible to the naked eye and about a third the size of a worker honey bee. So far, A. tumida has only been found in three Florida coun- ties (St. Lucie, Indian River and Brevard). The Florida Apiary Inspection Service is combing the state for other in- fested hives. In the meantime, a movement moratorium has been implemented in Florida. Colonies can be relocated af- ter being cleared for beetle presence by a Florida Depart- ment of Agriculture and Consumer Services inspector. This procedure will be revisited during a July 7, 1998 meeting of Florida's Honey Bee Technical Council. Most of the heavy honey bee movement has already occurred, as the citrus flow is concluded and colonies have been transported to other sources. Hopefully, those that have been removed were not contaminated, but this is yet to be established. Any beekeeper seeing either adult beetles or larvae in colonies should contact an apiary inspector for verification. The good news is that the beetle is not considered a problem in South Africa and rarely actively destroys colonies. It is in the family named Nitiulidae, a group known as "sap beetles." It is also a scavenger and, like the wax moth, must have pollen for protein to ensure its development; there is little evidence it attacks any stage of the honey bee life cycle. The bad news is that it is an introduced species and may be more damaging than in its homeland. Af- ter looking at heavy larval infestations in St. Lucie County, it is difficult to reconcile the rather benign repu- tation it holds in South Africa. Literally thousands of the larvae can be seen in heavily infested colonies. They crawl out of colony entrances or across honey house floors in an effort to reach soil, where they burrow to complete their development. This larval army, along with its effect on stored honey as described is a chilling sight indeed. Published references and electronic communications from South African beekeepers and regulatory authorities indicate that beetle infestations in their country are not common and are generally the sign of sloppy beekeeping practice. This is because, like the wax moth, the beetle is a scavenger and must get a foothold in a colony before it can reach popu- lation numbers sufficient to undermine a beehive. At this time, it is difficult to say how aggressive the beetles are in causing colony mortality in Florida. Suffice it to say that some experienced beekeepers have seen strong colonies quickly collapse, which they blame directly on the beetle. Perhaps the best and most complete study done on the beetle is "The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida," by A. E. Lundie (Union of South Africa, Science Bulletin 220, 1940, 30 pp.). It appears to be a tropical insect and not reported in temperate areas. This may mean fewer problems for colder portions of North America. According to Dr. Lundie, the most objectionable behavior of the larvae is that they defecate in honey. This, presumably in conjunction with se- cretion of other materials into the sweet, eventually re- sults in fermentation and froth that has the characteristic odor of "decaying oranges." The fermented honey runs out of the comb and may pool on the bottom board or honey house floor. At that point, honey bees will ignore the mess and may even abscond. Larvae will heavily damage delicate, newly manufactured comb, causing honey to leak out. How- ever, old brood comb reinforced with bee pupal skins can withstand heavy larval infestation without disintegrating. As a remediation technique, the objectionable, fermented honey can be washed off with a garden hose and the bees will often resume their activity to clean the comb. Dr. Lundie says that the principal time beekeepers have trouble is when combs of honey stand for long periods in the honey house prior to extraction, especially those that con- tain pollen. Cappings set aside during the extracting proc- ess may also become "wormy." Honey left over Porter bee escapes for a period is also at risk. All these lead to infestations because honey bees are not available to remove either larvae or adults from the colony. Thus, Dr. Lundie concludes, "Any factor which so reduces the ratio of the population of a colony of bees to its comb surface that the bees are no longer able to protect this comb surface ade- quately is a precursor to the ravages of both the wax moths and Aethina tumida." This is good advice; it already is common beekeeping prac- tice in both Africa and Florida. The bees in Africa, how- ever, are different than those in most of North America. Apis mellifera scutellata, the African honey bee, has radi- cally different behavior from that found in the European Apis mellifera bee, managed by the beekeepers of North Amer- ica. It is already known that African bees in the face of light predation or perturbation readily abscond. In doing so, they leave behind a nest heavily infested with all kinds of possible organisms. Dr. Lundie suggests that this behav- ior may be a reason why American foulbrood has never taken hold in South Africa. Scavengers like wax moths and A. tumida remove abandoned nests so quickly that the disease reservoir ceases to exist. European honey bees are not as likely to abscond as African bees; they also may not be as hygienic in the nest. Both are reasons that their relatives Africanized bees are thought to be more tolerant of the Varroa mite. Another African honey bee, Apis mellifera capensis, is also affected by the beetle, but appears also to be withstanding its effects. What does inferior hygienic behavior and the lack of a tendency to abscond portend for North American bee colonies invaded by A. tumida? Dr. Lundie provides a hint of this in his publication, saying that when honey bees cannot eject the beetle easily, strong as well as weak colonies may be equally affected. In addi- tion, even in South Africa, at rare times the beetle can heavily affect colonies. The cry for control measures has already reached a crescendo in affected parts of Florida. This is no surprise when one is confronted with colonies that appear to collapse over- night into a frothy mass correlated with high infestations of beetle larvae. A. tumida is at its most vulnerable when the larvae leave the hive to pupate in the soil, and this probably represents a good starting point for beekeepers to experiment with controlling this insect by cultural means. Perhaps the larvae can be trapped somehow before they reach the soil. Soil conditions also become important; the larvae may not pupate effectively in too dry, sandy or wet condi- tions. Dr. Lundie reports some indications that larvae in- fested with a soil-dwelling fungus died. Certain ants or other insects may prey on the larvae. The imported fire ant (Solenopsis invicta) in the southern United States comes to mind. Dr. Lundie reports that stationary colonies are more vulner- able than those that are moved. Thus, relocating colonies may break the beetle's life cycle, a classic control measure used elsewhere in agriculture. Certainly the bees' self- cleaning behavior itself should be used to the utmost. Col- onies will probably vary in the ability to withstand infestation and should be monitored for the ability to do so. As part of this, beekeepers should be very careful not to provide more exposed comb than the bees can adequately cover, or purposefully infest a colony that doesn't already have beetles. The beetle's arrival could signal a paradigm shift in honey bee management. It is possible that standard practices like stacking empty or weak colonies on stronger ones, making weak splits, and/or liberally exchanging combs may no longer be good options. Chemical control either in stored supers or live colonies for A. tumida appears to be problematic. There are no regis- tered materials in South Africa, and there has been little research on this front. Beetles appear to be most damaging when supers are full of honey, which is contraindicated for any pesticide application because of possible product con- tamination. The possibility of killing large infestations of beetle adults and larvae by using pesticides inside a colony, while not harming bees, mirrors the current dilemma in Varroa control. Researchers are now attempting to grapple with this new problem. In the meantime, the following is suggested: 1. Beekeepers should constantly monitor their operations for presence of the beetle. Detection is relatively easy. The larvae can be examined for the six rather large legs on their front end; wax moth larvae have uni- form sized prolegs. In contrast to those of the beetle, wax moth larvae do not usually move toward light, leave a colony nor burrow into the soil. Adult beetles are easy to spot, uniform in color and about one-third the size of an adult worker bee. They rapidly run across the combs and can often be found hiding in places that are not accessible to larger-bodied honey bees. Until more is known about the beetle in a particular area, it should be assumed that it is far more aggressive a scavenger than the wax moth and may overwhelm even strong, healthy colonies. 2. If A. tumida is suspected or detected, the following precautions are suggested: Be scrupulously clean around the honey house. Leave filled supers standing only a short time before ex- traction. Beetles may rapidly build up in stored honey, especially where honey has been stored over pollen. a. Be careful stacking infested equipment or extracted supers onto strong colonies. Beekeepers doing this before the beetle was identified may have inadvert- ently dealt a deathblow to noninfested, healthy col- onies by providing space for the beetles to build up that the bees could not protect. b. Pay close attention when supering colonies, making splits or exchanging combs; all these activities could provide room for the beetle to become estab- lished away from the cluster of protective bees. c. Monitor colonies for hygienic behavior; are the bees actively attempting to rid themselves of both larval and adult A. tumida? If not, replace them. d. Experiment with traps in an attempt to keep larvae from reaching the soil where they complete their de- velopment. Try moving bees from place to place. Adult beetles can fly, but their range is not known with certainty. Some areas may be much more hospi- table to beetles due to local soil conditions than others. e. Forget chemical control until research promises some answers. No materials are registered; no materials are legal. Most compounds that kill beetles will also kill honey bees. The arrival of Aethina tumida is not good news for beekeeping in North America. This beetle adds to an already large litany of beekeeping challenges. It is everyone's hope that this insect will not be a significantly worse problem than in its homeland. Until this is known, however, it must be considered an aggressive scavenger that in many instances will overwhelm even relatively strong colonies of North American honey bees of European extraction. Finally, it is a wakeup call. Serious consideration continues to be given to the risk of moving biological material across international borders, and the beekeeping industry should not consider itself immune from this potentially harmful practice. Garth Cambray, a BEE-L subscriber from South Africa provided the following first hand experience of the small hive beetle. "Firstly - the beetles is a little black thing about the size of the bees' abdomen. It has a shiny waxy look. The larvae are light brown cream things with a brown dot on their nose/anterior end (or whatever it is). They wiggle a lot and can stand heat up to about 80C for quite a while - probably an adaptation to breed in fire vacated brood which would not burn because of its moisture content (in veldt fires). A frame gone wrong yields about three to four cups of larvae - I have no idea how the beetle can lay so many eggs - if queens were like that they would be in- credible. I believe that a hive beetle infestation is a sign of sloppy beekeeping (leaving beetle foods in places where bees cannot defend them). The article I quoted recently did not mention that the beetles will eat brood. I have found that a hive beetle infestation is most dramatic when they get into the brood. The beetles hide in empty cells in the honey storage area. Very seldom do you find them where the article I quoted says. Usually they are at the top of the super - bees that try to get them out probably supply sugar when they 'lick' the things. If it gets cold they will take advantage of this and lay eggs in uncovered brood. I have had light infestations af- ter cold snaps recently on some hives that I had over fed. I think the bees could not keep the whole brood area warm and the beetles came in and zapped the unprotected brood cells. The larvae then stay underneath the brood cappings and are conveniently warmed by the bees while they tunnel around trashing the frame. This can be quite a problem but the bees will usually find it. The main danger is if you have a strong pollen flow and a strong nectar flow as then the bees put pollen and nectar in the supers, the bees put nectar over the pollen and then seal in the eggs which have been laid - and then one has a problem as the bees don't constantly guard the interior of supers and the thing can theoretically get out of control as described in the article. I have tried trapping the beetles by leaving brood out in a pot and then boiling it when larvae were visible. The honey guides loved it but I think it hardly made a dent on the population. The beetles are also surprisingly heat toler- ant. The beetles can I believe lower honey yields as they take up bee time. House bees are assigned to keeping guard over cornered bees. You will see them trapping a beetle in ob- servation hives. I have seen as many as five bees guarding one beetle. The beetles hide in the gaps between frames as well. Then the bees propolise the frames making it diffi- cult to get them out. If I see too many beetles in a hive I try to lower the amount of available comb space. Feeding also helps reduce the problem (as long as one does not cause the hive to over expand). The bees cannot remove live beetles interestingly enough - they don't seem to be able to grip the things which are very smooth and shiny. I have also found that if one tries to strap brood into frames when doing removals it often leads to beetle problems as while the bees are all disturbed the beetles sneak in and lay eggs in the brood. (Hence I don't do this). I believe that bad beekeeping practices, like leaving dead brood around and also leaving pollen filled supers around can be a problem. Once enough beetle larvae are in a frame it disintegrates into a very warm moosh - at this point the things seem to be able to appear overnight and can destroy a super in three days. In my area we have a problem with short sighted 'bee keep- ers' who basically charge people money to kill bees in prob- lem places. These hives then multiply the natural population of beetles as they are hundreds of kilograms of unguarded brood. As a result I am forced to do free bee re- movals so that most of these removals will come to me and then I can stop this multiplication of beetles which spread out to my hives around town. Finally I have also noticed that the beetles can survive in a solar wax extractor over short periods - if one is in an area with frequent cold fronts, it means that they can get a cycle through quite easily (and a lot faster than that arti- cle says)." Garth continues to write, "I have just made a trip across to our library (not far actually) and have had a scratch around for some preliminary bits and pieces about the hive beetles. Frank Mays book, _Beekeeping,_Including_Honey_for_Health_ 1969 says the following: 'The Small Hive Beetles (Aethina tumida Murr.), so called to distinguish it from the larger and harmless beetles (Hyplostoma fuligineus) which is often found in beehives in South Africa, appears everywhere in all parts in the tropical and sub-tropical regions of africa. In SA the insect appears more commonly in the warm regions. Andrew Murray gave this beetles a name in 1867, but it was Dr AE Lundie, an SA entomologist, who in 1940 wrote the first treatise about the beetles as a bee plague. Like wax moths the larvae of the hive beetle mostly causes trouble in weak colonies and in stored combs, but the plague is really not serious. Although some of the beetles are light brown when they creep out of the ground most of them are black by the third day. These insects generally fly within the first week of their lives to the beehive. They are found in any place in the hive, but they have a preference mainly for the back part of the floor of the hive. Perhaps this is because they are less disturbed by the field bees. The female beetles lays her eggs in regular small heaps in or upon the bee-bread in the combs or in the cells nearby. The eggs are pearly white, arch shaped and look almost like those of the honey bees, but are somewhat smaller - about two thirds as large. They hatch out within two or three days. Within ten to sixteen days the larvae are full grown and they migrate to small holes in the ground. If the hive is much infected the migratory hordes trails stain the hive badly. Within three to four weeks the adult beetles appear. The larvae cannot live only on pure honey but also on bee bread, or pollen and honey. The honey on which the larvae gorge becomes thinner and begins to ferment and smells almost like rotten oranges. As the fermentation advances the foaming honey drips upon the hive-floor and if the plague is very severe it runs out through the hive entrance. If the entrance of the hive becomes blocked or the hive slopes slightly towards the back the fermenting mass forms a layer an inch or more thick on the floor. The larvae in this case become so smeared with fermented honey that they looked slimy and revolting and stain ev- erything over which they crawl. Severely polluted combs which were stored can also be treated with carbon bisulphide (that must stink!!) or paradichlorobenzene - in the same way as for wax moths. Inspect the combs every three weeks. Combs which are slightly infected can be given to strong colonies so that the bees can clean them. Never give them more than two such combs per colony. If the combs are badly infected they must first be cleaned with water under pressure- a garden hose (this would I guess be only good for old combs - Garth) before being given to colonies for clean- ing. It rarely happens that the bees succeed in com- pletely ridding a hive of beetles but they are highly successful in removing the larvae from the combs. According to Dr Lundie the small hive beetle reacts more quickly to carbolic acid fumes than the bees. They rush out of every opening and crevice in the hive when sensing the acid fumes and can then be killed. This is the only known way of killing them.' Hope this is of help. Keep well Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Article 14662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping events Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:56:44 -0400 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.37 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.37 Message-ID: <3625ff2d.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 15 Oct 1998 09:57:01 -0500, 208.232.50.37 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14662 Greetings.. I have a new listing for upcoming beekeeping events and courses located at the below URL http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/events.html Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Article 14663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A BEEutiful enterprise Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <10922-36262E0D-16@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <36253777.1F900BA5@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUArGGdI1IvQXbowxH2dVBl84ESarYCFQCPEAjiEDhmJVMVEP/LNtYCgY0Juw== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14663 Go find an operation about the same size as you won't to operate and give them all of your spare time for information on how to operate. Better still find more than one to do this with. After you have done this for about a year then make up your mind if you still want to do it. I did it this way except I didn't wait that year, if I had I would have saved a lot of money and labor. A little mistake with a few hives is a little mistake, a little mistake with a lot of hives can be a very large one. GOOD LUCK BUD Article 14664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!beezer.infocom.com!not-for-mail From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Robbing Yellow Jackets Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:03:02 -0500 Organization: infocom, inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <705dp8$iu2$1@beezer.infocom.com> References: <3626A1F8.D45@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fanbelt.infocom.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14664 After taking my honey crop and extracting it, I put an empty super back on top of the hive to let the bees clean it out. Unfortunately, the yellow jackets discovered it as well, and are now seriously robbing the poor bees. The poor bees do not seem to be able to put up much of a defense, as it is getting cold and they are starting to cluster. Is there anything I can do to save the poor things? Lisa Article 14665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Oct 1998 18:49:34 GMT References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981015144934.21942.00000507@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14665 In article <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com>, Rebecca Davis writes: >How do you keep >the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are >used in churches to light the incense. I start it in a 3 lb. coffee can. This saves wear and overheating the smoker. Punch draft holes at the bottom to aid burning. I pick up sticks in the yard and get them going in the coffee can till they burn halfway into charcoal. 1/2 " sticks last a while. For smoke I add 1 hay rope off a square bale (untreated hemp) this lasts 10 min at least, and I just carry more pieces in my pocket. This givea smoke which is not too objectionable to people. Laser Revolutions Video-Home-Service Inc. 3108 23rd Ave. Moline Illinois 61265 Article 14666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newsfeed.eris.dera.gov.uk!ftel.ftel.co.uk!warwick!not-for-mail From: David Stott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Borage honey Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:31:36 -0700 Organization: University of Warwick Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3626A1F8.D45@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-ls-c138a.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk 908472608 12447 137.205.152.18 (15 Oct 1998 17:30:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@csv.warwick.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 1998 17:30:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14666 Does anybody have experience of the sucrose content of borage honey? Analysis of samples from several different hives in borage fields in the UK this year seems to suggest the sucrose level can vary from around 2% to almost 20%. Is this frequently encountered in honey from this source and is there any way to avoid the high sucrose content? Any comments please. -- David Stott Biological Sciences University of Warwick e-mail: ds@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk Article 14667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen size Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:16:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 31 Message-ID: <704i29$2bs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <19981010183436.16052.00004859@ng60.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 908446601 2428 198.82.161.244 (15 Oct 1998 10:16:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:16:41 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14667 In article <19981010183436.16052.00004859@ng60.aol.com>, HeinzeDJAK wrote: > >I just had a question about the size of queens. I requeened today, and the >queen that I killed was nearing twice the size of the new queen. I was told by >someone that the queens only start looking queenly when their ovaries develope >fully. Are comercially raised queens usually sold before this happens? Hello. Most queens, when traveling. lose their fully extended size, and become compact: the term for the large size is physogastry (I think I have the spelling right) and ants, bee, and termite queens exhibit this morphological trait. Unless you purchase a queen locally and quickly introduce her into a hive close by the point of purchase, the new queen will most likely be smaller than the laying one. Queen size is very variable though, and the actual abdomen size, or leg size is not necessarily correlated with production or general quality, although in selecting queens based purely on the way they look, most will select the larger queen. Check out the hair on her abdomen--a new queen will have a very nice sheen, where tiny hairs cover her, whereas an old queen will be quite smooth and look "greasy". Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu adamf@radix.net (either will work) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 14668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Yellow Jackets Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Oct 1998 20:08:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <705dp8$iu2$1@beezer.infocom.com> Message-ID: <19981015160819.11792.00001174@ng73.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14668 Reduce the entrance down to one bee size. Article 14669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-penn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iafrica.com!news01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Nols Ebersöhn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question. Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:37:20 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3625C24F.7D58AF4B@oldmutual.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinelands.oldmutual.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14669 Hi. I would like to know if a list server exist for this group? Regards. Nols Article 14670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping smoker going (was "highly technical questions") Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:33:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7067og$hgj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981015144934.21942.00000507@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 16 01:33:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14670 > In article <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com>, Rebecca Davis > writes: > > >How do you keep > >the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are > >used in churches to light the incense. It was suggested earlier to use "Untreated" baler twine as a fuel. The baler twine around here that ain't plastic is Manila not "untreated hemp" as was suggested. I have burned LOTS of it as a smoker fuel - diligently avoiding the green twine I was told was "treated." I have been told but never have verified that all twine is "treated" and that it ain't none too healthy breathing the smoke of it. I had noticed some hacky coughing in myself which went away when I quit using twine and started using untreated burlap OR just plain old hay or straw chaff as my fuel. Down in FL the Pine Straw (long Southern Pine needles) makes a delightful fuel. I can't imagine breathing any kind of smoke is a healthy thing to do but some smokes are decidely less healthy. Just follow these instructions. Get your tinder (newspaper) and your fuel ready. Clean out your smoker. Take about a half page or less of newspaper and wad it into a loose elongated ball that is substantially smaller than smoker inside diameter. Light the newspaper. Drop it into smoker. Puff gently on the bellows to get the paper going well (about 1/3-1/2 burned). Be careful not to burn yourself. Once it is rip-roaring back off on puffing on the bellows and start feeding a bit of fuel in - just a bit. Then puff to catch it on fire. Smoke should be really rolling out now. Now add more fuel. Puff more. Add more fuel being sure not to pack too tightly and extinguish your fire. Puff away - smoke should be rolling out as you puff - thick smoke. Got something else to do - leave lid open and let smoker stand. Ready to start already - then close it up and go to work. When it starts to be needing some fuels you will notice smoke rolling out when you ain't puffing the bellows - you should have a good base now so you can add more fuel with less chance of killing it. Still dieing on you with loads of unburned fuel - more than likely you packed the fuel in too tightly. Dieing with just ashes - well ya just gotta add more fuel when the smoker is asking for it. And yes sometimes you still will have a fitful smoker - then again another smoker may burn green grass once it is going - but for the most part it is GOE that causes dieing smoker woes - which as with anything is just a matter of learning and ya get better as ya go. Hope that helps, -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3626AE6F.9B8F9784@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fs: 8 frame equipment Oregon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:07:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.121 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:07:08 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14671 Hello, I have some 8 frame equipment for sale: 28+ Deep boxes 61+ Western boxes 7+ Shallow boxes No frames $4/box I also have a small wax melter, and some uncappers for sale. If you have any questions, e-mail me or call me at 541-342-7206. Thanks, Paul Cauthorn Bee Friendly Article 14672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pfaure4108@aol.com (PFaure4108) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee farm to buy Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1998 19:54:05 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19981014155405.21525.00000651@ng101.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14672 Do you known any Bee Farm on sale. I'm French and I want to immigrate in Québec. I'm ready to come in Québec to visit any Bee Farm on sale. I would like to immigrate next year. 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PFaure4108@aol.com Article 14673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Yellow Jackets-cheap fix Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:31:22 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3628c9b4.487367143@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3626A1F8.D45@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk> <705dp8$iu2$1@beezer.infocom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co58-35.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Oct 15 11:31:59 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14673 Hi Linda & all, I've had the same trouble with Yellow-Jackets.....they're a REAL problem in my out-apiary. The bee-haver next door doesn't do ANYTHING with his hives and they're living in some of the lower supers inside his hives. Here's a fix: Find a bunch of bottles....I've found Arizona Ice-Tea bottles work best. Fill the bottle about 3/4 the way full of water and place about 5 tablespoons of Rasberry or Blackberry jam into it. Place the bottles toward the back of the hive (outside), or under the landing board where the neck is out of sight (or anywhere VERY close to the hive)- so bees don't accidently fall into the bottle. Yellow-Jackets will seek out the jelly & drown, while bees ignore it. You can even place the bottle inside the hive, though I would think curious bees might investigate & drown as well. Every day I drive to my out-apiary, I find 100-200 dead yellow-jackets in each bottle with very few bees. Remember, alot of water & very little jam (10-20%) as jam gets expensive if you have alot of pests to take care of.....and I've found it doesn't take much to sucker them into the jar. Also, be sure to clean out the jar of dead pests every 3-4 days or they'll eventually build up a 'dead-body-raft' and will be able to stand on the bodies of their pesky comrades. If this happens, they'll be able to eat nice little treat you left them & you've just helped them prosper. Good luck, Matthew in Castle Rock, CO On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:03:02 -0500, "Lisa" wrote: > >After taking my honey crop and extracting it, I put an empty super back on >top of the hive to let the bees clean it out. Unfortunately, the yellow >jackets discovered it as well, and are now seriously robbing the poor bees. >The poor bees do not seem to be able to put up much of a defense, as it is >getting cold and they are starting to cluster. Is there anything I can do >to save the poor things? Lisa > > Article 14674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A BEEutiful enterprise Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:59:53 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <362979da.39368726@news.jps.net> References: <36253777.1F900BA5@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.108 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.108 Lines: 41 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.55.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14674 On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:36:20 GMT, Diane Novak wrote: > Am just starting the process of building a migratory bee business >homebased here in southern california. Would eventually like to handle >perhaps 500 hives. Transplanted this year from East coast. Would >appreciate any tips, advise, information, that might be offered. Thanks >in advance. > Judd e-mail: beebzzz2@yahoo.com Hi Judd, The first thing I would do would be make plans to attend the California State Beekeepers Convention at San Luis Obispo, Calif. Nov. 17-19, 1998. Here you will meet and make personal contacts with beekeepers not only from California but all over the US who are interested in pollination. Time is short but you can get all the info on this meeting by calling or writing at: CSBA 567 Edith Court Santa Rosa Ca 95401 (707) 568-6549 I would call and you should have the info in a day or two. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, Ca http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!egsner!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!nntp.giganews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Message-ID: Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.103.0.224 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 908566227 206.103.0.224 (Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:30:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:30:27 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:35:42 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14675 Hello! I've posted some historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html and links to other mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 14676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Subsidy Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:51:48 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <362ae9e9.11240409@news.earthlink.net> References: <19981016182027.25818.qmail@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp242.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Fri Oct 16 17:49:42 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14676 "Richard Davis" wrote: >Rush Limbaugh mentioned on his program today that >the honeybee subsidy is back in the budget that was >just passed. I don't know what finally passed in negotiation, and I'm not a lawyer, but honey legislation was in the proposed budget. My understanding is that it is a "no cost program" (wink, wink) and not corporate welfare. Legislation relating honey in the U.S. can generally be found by searching for "honey" at http://thomas.loc.gov/ Senate Bill 1150 is probably what you are referring to. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Liquor Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1998 02:16:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981016221622.24555.00001196@ng57.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14677 Does anyone have a recipe for making "honey liquor" I had some from Germany and it was very smooth. My understanding was that it was aged three years. Again I am looking for honey liquor and not "MEAD" Article 14678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!usenet From: John Wilson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: north carolina Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:54 -0400 Organization: Duke University, Durham, NC, USA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36275555.12FD1E26@soc.duke.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cypress.soc.duke.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14678 I would like to get in touch with a beekeeping association (or whatever) in North Carolina. Any one of the list give me some leads? Thanks John Wilson Article 14679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!news.pagesat.net!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Yellow Jackets-cheap fix Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:12:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 75 Message-ID: <36280B01.C8261BDF@valley.net> References: <3626A1F8.D45@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk> <705dp8$iu2$1@beezer.infocom.com> <3628c9b4.487367143@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14679 flightdeck wrote: > Hi Linda & all, > > I've had the same trouble with Yellow-Jackets.....they're a REAL > problem in my out-apiary. The bee-haver next door doesn't do ANYTHING > with his hives and they're living in some of the lower supers inside > his hives. > > Here's a fix: > > Find a bunch of bottles....I've found Arizona Ice-Tea bottles work > best. Fill the bottle about 3/4 the way full of water and place about > 5 tablespoons of Rasberry or Blackberry jam into it. Place the > bottles toward the back of the hive (outside), or under the landing > board where the neck is out of sight (or anywhere VERY close to the > hive)- so bees don't accidently fall into the bottle. Yellow-Jackets > will seek out the jelly & drown, while bees ignore it. You can even > place the bottle inside the hive, though I would think curious bees > might investigate & drown as well. > > Every day I drive to my out-apiary, I find 100-200 dead yellow-jackets > in each bottle with very few bees. > > Remember, alot of water & very little jam (10-20%) as jam gets > expensive if you have alot of pests to take care of.....and I've found > it doesn't take much to sucker them into the jar. Also, be sure to > clean out the jar of dead pests every 3-4 days or they'll eventually > build up a 'dead-body-raft' and will be able to stand on the bodies of > their pesky comrades. If this happens, they'll be able to eat nice > little treat you left them & you've just helped them prosper. > > Good luck, > > Matthew in Castle Rock, CO > > greetings, long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, when i was a college student, i worked at a soda plant in the summer to make a few extra bucks. as you can imagine, yellow jackets were a fact of life, swarming around the trucks returning with empties [these were the big old delivered and picked up soda bottles, sold by the case], and the plant in general. for the most part, they ignored us. but, when they got to be a nuisance, we simply left a few half-empty bottles of soda near the entrance bays. in a couple of hours, they'd be chock-a-block full of drowned yj's. the next day there'd be as many back as there were the day before, but for a while, at least, we'd knock down the population a bit. as i recall orange and 7-up seemed to work best. maybe it was the citrusy smell? anyway, i'm not sure which is cheaper, water-jam or soda, but soda requires no preparation. also, i don't THINK soda attracts bees [never saw any around the plant] , but i'm not sure. also, if i remember correctly [never a safe bet], yellow jacket colonies collapse in the fall and the individuals sort of wander about, until they die with the advent of the really cold weather. i know that's the case for bald-faced hornets. if i'm right, then depending on where you are in the country, your problem is now being or will soon be resolved naturally. here in new hampshire, i haven't seen a yellow jacket in a couple of weeks, since we started having hard frosts. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19981016182027.25818.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.205.86.112] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Honey Subsidy Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:20:26 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14680 Rush Limbaugh mentioned on his program today that the honeybee subsidy is back in the budget that was just passed. He said that it gave a property tax exemption to anyone raising bees, if they cared to claim it. Naturally, this is probably FUBAR, since Rush rarely gets anything he quotes right, but does anyone know the real lowdown on the honey subsidy and how to qualify? Does it have anything at all to do with local property taxes? If so, in what way? AFAIK, if you itemize, property taxes have always been deductible, so this can't be what he's talking about. Or could it? Thanks, --Richard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: north carolina Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1998 16:57:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36275555.12FD1E26@soc.duke.edu> Message-ID: <19981017125759.21861.00001789@ng32.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14681 >I would like to get in touch with a beekeeping association (or whatever) >in North Carolina. Any one of the list give me some leads? Thanks >John Wilson > the state fair is on right now, go to the honey/bee exhibit its manned by members of the state association from 9 am till 10 pm each day for about the next 7 days , there you will find all that you seek. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: dashhound@webtv.net (troy crumrine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting of hive Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <24017-3628EB23-76@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1041423514-5213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQeQfpmmz8JAjzGuu30T/W63ORQ6QIUNZ6Q69q0KnnjgvAlF34X/dzHZJg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14682 --WebTV-Mail-1041423514-5213 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit when is the best time to split a hive. we have a very large colony with 2 brooders with 75 to80 pounds of honey maybe 60,000 bees i want to install a new queen in the old colony and a new queen in the proposed new colony . the winters are pretty mild in west texas but we thought we would feed them through the winter please advise on what to do thanks Troy C --WebTV-Mail-1041423514-5213 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1041423514-5213-- Article 14683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1998 01:53:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <360DA6C3.64C3@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981017215353.19102.00001695@ng142.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14683 I'm here to tell you straight up. Buy it - you won't be sorry! I bet the price goes up quick! Article 14684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stingless bees Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:59:38 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 31 Message-ID: <709tpq$k2t$1@excalibur.flash.net> References: <6vu3qs$5n2$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <36235958.DBDAA1E3@us.ibm.com> <6vvmka$398$1@strato.ultra.net> <7019bj$kt2$1@news.vic.com> <7019io$l1v$1@news.vic.com> <702aa0$c82$1@ligarius.ultra.net> Reply-To: vsp@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p116.amax3.dialup.hou1.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) To: Marc Andelman Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14684 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Larry wrote in message <7019io$l1v$1@news.vic.com>... > >sorry for the multilpe posts OUTLOOK express is going bizerk It wont even > >let me cancil massages or delete my email messages. Good OLE Bill! > > > > Larry > > > > > >Larry wrote in message <7019bj$kt2$1@news.vic.com>... > >>I saw stingless bees in Florida in the 70's They wernt very agressave and > >>didnt gather much honey so they wern't popular. > >> > >> Larry > > No kidding? Wow . Do you mean to say that someone made > an attempt to domesticate these? What did the hive look like? > > The wild article in Costa Rica lives in tree hollows and has this > really strange proboscis at the entrance which I assume helps > keep preditors out. > > I sure would like to get some of these critters. > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Marc: It is my understanding that the stingless bees are tropical in nature and could not stand the cooler weather in most of the U.S. I am interested in them but know nothing about them. What have you learned about them. Article 14685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc2.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> From: Diane Novak Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cordovan strain, italian honeybee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:35:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.212.211 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:35:36 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14685 Does anyone have experience with the Cordovan strain of Italian honeybee? I have read that it displays most all of the good traits of the standard italian along with an added advantage relative to its unusual coloring and ability to pass this color gene to its offspring. Does anyone know where Cordovan queens could be purchased? Judd Novak Article 14686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1998 16:04:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981018120425.23882.00000599@ng84.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14686 >worried about the wild hogs that are plentiful there. Has anyone had any >experiences with bees and hogs? > >Marc > they'll eat the wood,wax,bees,honey and then gnaw on the tin top !!! specially if a ol brood sow gets near it !!! hogs love bee hives !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Wheeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:35:09 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 65 Message-ID: <70cuk6$t44$1@supernews.com> References: <3622C894.654B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.144.200 X-Trace: 908721606 NMKDWAWQT90C8D086C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14687 We have also noticed a bad odor in our two hives. We opened them yesterday to inspect but didn't notice anything wrong. We live in East Texas were the goldenrod is in full bloom. I have heard that goldenrod makes good honey but there are other things blooming at this time that do not. The honey is dark brown and thick. My wife and I have decided to leave the honey for over wintering. This is our first year of beekeeping so we are still in the steep part of the learning curve. Marc AL wrote in message <3622C894.654B@midwest.net>... >Wayne Gordon Anderson wrote: >> >> Today, I inspected the bee hives, got within 10 feet, and smelt foul odour. It smelt rather fermented. The bees are currently bringing in golden rod. >> I was wondering if the goldenrod gives off this smell? >> >> The bees seem quite contented. >> >> Anyone with information would be appreciated. >> > >Oct 12 > >I've been following this thread since Sept 3 when this message was >posted regarding a strange or bad smell coming from the hive. In >response there have been opinions that the odor is due to goldenrod >and/or asters. I've noticed a bad smell too but since I'd planned to >leave the honey on the hive for overwintering, and the hive looked >healthy as far as I could tell, I wasn't too concerned. However, since >this is my first year I just *had* to have something to show for >worrying over these critters all summer so I removed one frame's worth >of honey. > > >My honey is incredibly thick (would not drip drain from the comb at all >even after three days in the sun or in a warm oven) and it is a >beautiful golden color. Problem is it stinks like a bag full of dirty >athletic socks & jocks - same smell that has been coming from the hive. >No one has bragged on the taste either. > >I took it to a beekeeper's meeting to get opinions - beekeepers always >seem to have opinions. There wasn't a single idea as to the source of my >problem. > >Has anyone out there with this hive odor extracted any of the honey and >if so was it "normal" or better left on the hive? > >This weekend I noticed the smell had subsided and a hint of the normal >scent had returned - just a hint. It has cooled down here in S.IL. and >although their activity has tapered off, some of the bees are still >hauling in pollen - some gold color, some almost white. > > > >AL > > >********************************************************* >* The only substitute for bad manners, is fast reflexes * >********************************************************* Article 14688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Wheeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild Hogs Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:39:58 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.144.200 X-Trace: 908721608 NMKDWAWQT90C8D086C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14688 We are about to put some hives on our small farm in East Texas but we are worried about the wild hogs that are plentiful there. Has anyone had any experiences with bees and hogs? Marc Article 14689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Wheeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:57:17 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 23 Message-ID: <70cvs3$pc1$1@supernews.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.144.200 X-Trace: 908722883 NMKDWAWQT90C8D086C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14689 I start the fire with some newspaper then use cedar chips for fuel. It burns forever and smells great! Rebecca Davis wrote in message <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com>... >Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical >questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep >the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are >used in churches to light the incense. That tends to keep stuff burning >longer, and it seems not to bother the bees. I've tried all kinds of >fuel, in different amounts. Too little, and it burns out pretty quick, >too much and it goes out. The charcoal seems like cheating. So what's >the secret? Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. >Thanks, >Becky in Maryland > > > Article 14690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordovan strain, italian honeybee Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:01:24 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <362a483f.4266140@news.jps.net> References: <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.121 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.121 Lines: 21 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.121 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14690 On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:35:36 GMT, Diane Novak wrote: >Does anyone have experience with the Cordovan strain of Italian >honeybee? I have read that it displays most all of the good traits of >the standard italian along with an added advantage relative to its >unusual coloring and ability to pass this color gene to its offspring. >Does anyone know where Cordovan queens could be purchased? Cordovan bees are very pretty to look at but are not used in commercial honey production. They are like six toed cats and are a mutant of the Italian race of bees. http://beenet.com/bnews.htm For the Latest Bee Keeping News (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordovan strain, italian honeybee Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:04:31 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <362b4970.4571571@news.jps.net> References: <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.121 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.121 Lines: 18 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.121 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14691 On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:35:36 GMT, Diane Novak wrote: >Does anyone know where Cordovan queens could be purchased? Sorry Judd, I left off this part of my last message. GLENN APIARIES P.O. Box 2737 Fallbrook, CA. 92088 phone: 760-728-3731 email:queenb95@aol.com - italian, (cordovans), carniolan - (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:42:03 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <362A367B.2AA6@earthlink.net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <70cvs3$pc1$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust41.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Wheeler X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Oct 18 11:44:19 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14692 What kind of cedar chips? Red cedar? Article 14693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Design of Varroa Detector Date: 18 Oct 1998 20:51:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 28 Message-ID: <70dkbp$518$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-6.sl035.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 908743865 5160 128.173.38.92 (18 Oct 1998 20:51:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 1998 20:51:05 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14693 A couple months back I got good advice here on how to detect the presence of Varroa. The basic technique I was told is to place a white sheet of cardboard on the bottom board and then to smoke the hive with tobacco smoke. This kills mites (only males I am told?) and they drop to the bottom board. I did this and pulled the cardboard and there they were. I gave the supers that were on two more weeks and then started the Apistan which is now about ready to come out. BUT the bees sure did not like my inserting that sheet of cardboard and I got stung a whole Summer's worth. Its tough to insert because of all those little propolis mounds that they build on the bottom board. SO, I wondered if I couldn't get in my wood shop and make a device that I could leave in the hive. I would like to know what experts think of the following:I would make a half-inch high wooden insert to place between the top edges of the standard bottom board and the first brood chamber. This would increase the height of the opening by 1/2 inch. Then I would make an insert element 1/2 inch high to place on the bottom of the bottom board. The bottom of the insert would be a sheet of 1/4 in. plywood and the top of the insert would be a sheet of window screening reinforced by a sheet of 0.5 X 0.5 in grid hardward cloth. Between the plywood and the screen one could slip in or out a white sheet of cardboard with very little disturbance of the hive and thus check for varroa at frequent intervals. One might also use this as a method to insert grease patty material as one could substitute a sheet of plywood heavily coated with mentholated syrup and shortening into the space for the cardboard. Much of the grease would extrude up onto the screen. I am wondering how the bees would take to walking on the screen and if they would find a way to propolize the grease board to the screen and make it impossible to remove. Article 14694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-out.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asian Giant Bees Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:12:39 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 908608638 nnrp-10:7553 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14694 In article <702adf$dpv$1@ligarius.ultra.net>, Marc Andelman writes >Hi group, > >Has anyone heard of Asian Giant bees. Apparently, these are gigantic >honeybees >that build huge, open air nests of one comb only. Has anyone heard about >bringing these into domestication? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman > > They are called Apis Dorsata. I doubt very much if you could domesticate them because they migrate with the seasons. I understand that they are indigenous to the NW corner of India. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 14695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting of hive Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:27:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <70dmgl$boc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <24017-3628EB23-76@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 18 21:27:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14695 In article <24017-3628EB23-76@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, dashhound@webtv.net (troy crumrine) wrote: > > when is the best time to split a hive. > we have a very large colony with 2 brooders with 75 to80 pounds of honey > maybe 60,000 bees i want to install a new queen in the old colony and a > new queen in the proposed new colony . the winters are pretty mild in > west texas but we thought we would feed them through the winter please > advise on what to do > thanks Troy C > Troy - in Central FL this time of year IF you plan to feed you can make splits and then come Feb you can split them again - not having ever been to TX I am not sure how your winter compares to that (goldenrod blooms in Oct - maples and willows in Jan - citrus in March) - perhaps you could specify your county and some local could perhaps give you more area specific advice on that. Taking bees into a extended dearth or near dearth period without adequate stores in the hives means you GOTTA feed and feed and feed. When you put them in that "bad spot" it becomes your solemn duty to keep feed on them so long as required to pull them through the tight spot you put them in. As to how to make the split - have two new queens on hand - find old queen and kill her - split up brood and stores and adhering bees as equally as possible - set each split on a bottom board with entrance overlapping part of the area covered by old entrance (trying to split up field force) - uncork candy end of queen cage IF it is corked or covered - put a new caged queen in middle of brood of each split - close them up and leave them alone for a week aside from keeping feed on them. Then check to see that you have eggs and larvae and take out the cage and properly space the frames. Now just keep them fed and give them space to expand into as needed. And of course all the rest of the normal stuff like properly timed mite treatment, etc.. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc2.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <362A5CC8.A68D4A49@home.com> From: Diane Novak Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a beekeeping business plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:17:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.212.211 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:17:16 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14696 Thanks much Andy for the information on the cordovan strain. You sound like someone both knowledgable and practical minded when it comes to this bee bzzzness. Perhaps you could comment on some plans I am presently formulating for the spring here in Southern California. Would like to purchase perhaps 10 nucleus colonies of 5 or 6 frames of brood,eggs, queen etc. in late March or April. As soon in the spring as possible. Would pick these up and site them locally. What do you think of the idea of starting from the get go with two queen colonies. Perhaps three frames of bees,brood, etc. in two deep hive bodies, separated by queen excluder. Purchase an extra queen with each nucleus. Feed them as much as they will take during early april and may with the intention of building maximum colony strength for the first and any subsequent honey flow. Even moving them one or twice during the year to catch various flows. Would colonies build fast enough from these nucs to produce any surplus. The idea would be to use them at the end of season to double size of apiary by putting second queen with hive body in a new hive. This would eliminate the need to kill second queen which doesn't appeal to me a lot. Would appreciate your evaluation and any suggestions that might save me time and/or unneeded expense in this endeavor. Anyone out there who might have thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Judd Article 14697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail From: shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Number of Frames/hive body Message-ID: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:25:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.ts3.gloucester.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:25:24 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14697 HI all I kept bees twenty years ago (in high school0 and now plan to get back into it. In the deep recesses of my mind I seem to recall that I only used 9 frames in a 10 frame body. Is my memory correct or did I halucinate this? OK, you have no way of knowing how many frames I kept in the body. Perhaps I shaould ask, is anybody aware of the practice of only using 9 frames in a body? Fred Article 14698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail From: shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping question Message-ID: <362a6bd9.16911618@news.visi.net> References: <700pft$ot5$1@netnews.upenn.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:21:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.ts3.gloucester.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:21:16 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14698 On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:59 -0400, "mmoktan" wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > >I have set up several beehives at home. Some bees seem to not want to = >stay in a new hive set up for them. I brought in new bees and set them = >up in a new hive. But they seem to leave. Is this a problem that can be = >solved? Any information could be helpful.=20 > >Hridai. Do you have a healthy queen in the hive? Article 14699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-a.ais.net!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Number of Frames/hive body Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1998 22:59:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> Message-ID: <19981018185905.01840.00002543@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14699 >ware of the practice of only using >9 frames in a body? > sure its very common Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "David Gaida" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Number of Frames/hive body Date: 18 Oct 1998 23:14:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bdfaec$527706c0$7a5f4c0c@dgaidahpc.qp.att.com> References: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> <19981018185905.01840.00002543@ng94.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.95.71 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14700 One of the old beekeepers in our club told us that he always used 10 frames in the brood and in the food box. But he always used 9 frames in the supers. The bees could draw their wax out beyond the wooden frame and allow you to uncap easier. Article 14701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "David Gaida" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Design of Varroa Detector Date: 18 Oct 1998 23:02:14 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bdfaea$95d075c0$7a5f4c0c@dgaidahpc.qp.att.com> References: <70dkbp$518$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.95.122 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14701 I had read that the use of tobacco smoke could interfere with the queen's laying. Did you notice any change or problem? Thanks, Judy Article 14702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1998 22:35:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <70cuk6$t44$1@supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981018183556.29723.00002594@ng126.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14702 Try the dark honey Actually the beees overwinter better on sugar syrup. The dark honey is fast to crystalize but has an awesome rich spicy flavor. By fast to crystalize I mean a 5 gallon bucket can go rock hard in a weerk or two. I harvest 3-4 times a season and if I had to choose I would retain soime of the dark honey for my own use. Tom in CT Article 14703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bce1@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice-need advice Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:02:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <70ds32$m7o$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.227.173.67 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 18 23:02:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.227.173.67 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14703 I would like to keep a small hive as a hobbie. I have approx. 3/4 acre with a lot of native vegetation and wondered if someone might get me started with supplies needed and a local contact for an experienced beekeeper. I live in south florida. Thank you. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam.F) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: 18 Oct 1998 20:16:56 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <70dibo$9iu$1@golux.radix.net> References: <70cuk6$t44$1@supernews.com> <19981018183556.29723.00002594@ng126.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port42.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14704 In article <19981018183556.29723.00002594@ng126.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: >Try the dark honey >Actually the beees overwinter better on sugar syrup. I disagree. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu adamf@radix.net (either will work) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 14705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: bees_knees@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting smokers with a blower Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:52:42 GMT Organization: What Organization? We ain't organized. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <362c7f42.177859331@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-175-113.snfr.grid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 18 Oct 1998 23:50:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14705 I'm in about my sixth or seventh year of beekeeping on a small (3 hive) scale. I've struggled with starting smokers burning and finally moved from Brushy Mountain's beginner's smoker to the smaller professional sized one. Works much better, doesn't run out of fuel too soon, fuel stays lit longer and starts easier. Still was more time consuming than I wanted. This year I was getting suited up in the shed where I keep hive parts, tools, etc., and noticed an old shop vac that had been put into semi-retirement. I hooked up the hose to the blower side and blew the air past the intake on the smoker - like a blast furnace. One match and a sheet of newpaper and the thing is smoking to beat the band a couple minutes later. I've been using the little "pine cones" that come off the fir and hemlock trees in the Northwest for fuel. Recently someone was talking about a bee vacuum that they had designed. Would it be possible to use this as a blower to start a smoker? Some sort of hookup on the exhaust side? Norm B. Article 14706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:52:14 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <362a9abe.2472541@news.gate.net> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> <19981018120425.23882.00000599@ng84.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl6-78.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14706 On 18 Oct 1998 16:04:25 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>worried about the wild hogs that are plentiful there. Has anyone had any >>experiences with bees and hogs? >> >>Marc >> > >they'll eat the wood,wax,bees,honey and then gnaw on the tin top !!! specially >if a ol brood sow gets near it !!! >hogs love bee hives !!!! >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC You could sitt arround with a gun and put some good meat on the table if one gets too close! Only kidding, but Boar does make some mighty good eating. Wonder if you could build a galvanized waterpipe cage arround the hives to keep them out? Dave slipping back to lurk mode Article 14707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bbrock@i-america.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: north carolina Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:54:21 GMT Message-ID: <36276a96.6883784@news.his.com> References: <36275555.12FD1E26@soc.duke.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: computone1c.i-america.net Organization: Heller Information Services Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news4.his.com!computone1c.i-america.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14707 Most every county in North Carolina has a beekeeping association. Contact the Agricultural Extension Office in your county...they will put you in contact with the nearest association. If that doesn't work, e-mail me and I will contact the local associaltion to get you a reference. Sincerely, Bob On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:54 -0400, John Wilson wrote: >I would like to get in touch with a beekeeping association (or whatever) >in North Carolina. Any one of the list give me some leads? Thanks >John Wilson > Article 14708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cheap varroa strips Date: 19 Oct 1998 04:13:53 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 10 Message-ID: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.39.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14708 An ad in the latest ABJ said to check varroa.com. So I did as I was told and went to: http://www.varroa.com Lo and behold the Chinese are selling fluvalinate strips for less than $.40 US each. I turned in an order but the credit card listed was Visa, and alas all I had was Master Card. I tried to order using the fax #, but that number did not work. It looks like the internet is going to bring some sorely needed competition to our friendly apistan salesmen. Article 14709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Number of Frames/hive body Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:25:32 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <362B139C.11EB@earthlink.net> References: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust18.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 19 03:29:05 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14709 shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot wrote: > > HI all > > I kept bees twenty years ago (in high school0 and now plan to get back > into it. In the deep recesses of my mind I seem to recall that I only > used 9 frames in a 10 frame body. Is my memory correct or did I > halucinate this? > > OK, you have no way of knowing how many frames I kept in the body. > Perhaps I shaould ask, is anybody aware of the practice of only using > 9 frames in a body? > > Fred Yes. Some even use 8. Article 14710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 1998 17:05:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <70ffd9$hr3$1@supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981019130516.29722.00003085@ng126.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14710 Sticky hive tool? Plunge it in a hot smoker the heat will burn or at least soften the propolus. Then I usually wipe it onto the end grain of a hive finger joint. Tom in CT Article 14711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:44:35 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <362BC0D3.3D05@earthlink.net> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> <70gf7a$67t$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: honeybs X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 19 15:48:10 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14711 honeybs wrote: > > shine389@aol.com (Shine389) wrote: > > >Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can > >someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. > It would help if we knew what part of the planet are you > from? > > The following might give you a clue: > 1. Go to the library. > 2. Get a library card (they are free). > 3. Take home books and videos on beekeeping. > 4. Watch videos. > 5. Read books. > 6. Return them to the library. > 7. Go back to rule #3. > > Then come here with inteligent questions for discussion. > > Greg > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > Tell us where you are. If in North Carolina, I know who can help. Article 14712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordovan strain, italian honeybee Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:33:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <70getf$67t$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> <17FF492ABS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: port17.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14712 SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >In article <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> >Diane Novak writes: > >> >>Does anyone have experience with the Cordovan strain of Italian >>honeybee? I have read that it displays most all of the good traits of >>the standard italian along with an added advantage relative to its >>unusual coloring and ability to pass this color gene to its offspring. Cardovans are used as genitic markers. As a strain of bee they are very stupid! They drift terribly. But they are beautiful in color with the italians being bright mustard yellow and the carniolan cardivans being purple! >Cordovan Italians can exhibit all the traits you listed above. However, >the Cordovan trait is a recessive genetic trait and can only be assured >by instrumental insemination - open mated queens may not pass on the >Cordovan coloring to their progeny. Sue Cobey at Ohio State keeps several colonies of italians & carniolan cardovans. She says that they are somewhat disease prone. I have a couple of colonies here and disease has not been a problem. > Furthermore, you will have >variation in queens just as you would with queens of any race - some >Italian queens produce gentle bees, some Italian queens produce more >aggressive bees. As with ANY queens, know your breeders. Yes, when they requeen themselves you lose the strain for sure. The color disappears. IMHO there is no bee meaner than when a midnight crosses. Wow, what a surprise when you open the hive to look in with no protection on a few weeks after they have swarmed. >There is also an outfit in Miss. advertising "red heads" - check the bee >journals. These Red Heads are nice bees. Bright yellow with a modest temperment. Not friendly but tolerable. I have delt with him a couple of times with no problems. Every queen has been well mated. Can't remember his name at the moment but look for a small ad in the journals. >Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! I used that line in my signature a couple of times. Hadn't seen it before but got some nasty e-mail. You have quite a following. I thought of using "Come on by the apiary girls 'cause we like to handle these (o)(o) too!", but I figgured that would generate even more e-mail. On the other hand with the way beekeeping is going I'm sure that if I could really think I would probably be better off doing something else. Actually I feel like I'm retired. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:22:57 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <362bc8f8.1487579@news.gate.net> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> <14784-362B3F9C-21@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsdfb2-154.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14713 On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:33:16 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: >We have our share of wild hogs in FLA. and I have never had a beekeeper >say anything about wild hogs. I'm sure that someone has had a problem >but I've keep bees around wild hogs for 10 years and have had not one >problem. My beekeeper frind has done it for 25 years and no problems. I was assumeing the other post was correct. I have seen wild boar down here in Fl and frome what I saw of them I believe that they could be a problem. I have had a semi-close encounter with one while camping and they earn their reputatiion of ferrociuos and always feeding animals. You refer toi wild hogs, are we talking about the same thing? Down here in SW and central FL we refer to them as razorbacks. Dave Article 14714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:26:38 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <362bc9e5.1724398@news.gate.net> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> <19981018120425.23882.00000599@ng84.aol.com> <362a9abe.2472541@news.gate.net> <70ff49$fj1$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsdfb2-154.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14714 On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:32:02 -0500, "Wheeler" wrote: >good eating. Wonder if you could build a galvanized waterpipe cage >>arround the hives to keep them out? >That's a good idea. I have also made plans to put put some on the table but >that will only cure a small part of the problem. I saw them in a field next >to my place the other day and there were 7 sows and 24 pigs. I'm sure there >are a few boars hanging around in the woods. I built one once for holding calves while giving them shots and casteration (ouch), etc. Just a pile of pipe fittings and some 4 feet or so pieces of pipe. Long uprights with "T"'s on the end and pipe nipples between the "T"'s. Dave Article 14715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: shine389@aol.com (Shine389) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner needs help Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 1998 12:21:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14715 Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. Article 14716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: nu2bees@webtv.net (Paul) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Brood Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4461-362BF69E-15@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQjR5qcR64ZLost/v5j7rsZkBgS+gIUYujnGR6VThgRaPFK4c3vNiAtcFg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14716 This is my second year with bees and just when everything seems to be going well something happens to let me know I got a lotta learnin to do. I live in north central WV. Our weather has been very mild so far this fall but the first hard frost and possible snow flurries are expected by this weekend. I have already winterized three of my hives and they seem very healthy. All medications have been applied and Apistan is off. All the hives were heavily infested with varroa but look clean now. There is lots of honey, pollen, eggs, larva, capped brood (no drone cells), bees, and healthy looking queens in each hive. When I opened the last one today, I found what looked to be a thriving hive with lots of bees, honey, some capped brood, some larva, but I couldn't tell if there were eggs present or not, a healthy looking queen, hundreds of drone, and capped drone brood very neatly deposited on the bottom third of two frames. Before I found the queen, I thought I must have laying workers. There were also some supersedure cells on several frames, but I couldn't tell if they had been used. The hive was quiet, seemed content, but were a bit grumpy at having their hive opened in sixty degree weather even though the sun was shining. So the big question is what do I do now? Should I just wait and see? requeen? Is it too late in the season to get a new queen if necessary? Thanks for whatever advice you can give me. Article 14717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: nu2bees@webtv.net (Paul) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Brood Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4422-362C09AE-9@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <4461-362BF69E-15@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQwfZM3dnPmHmQeKja+QrcRM2aerAIVAJ3ypa1E/AKYxUC6m9ELsTmRBh0w Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14717 I forgot to mention in this posting that the bees are Buckfast from a three pound pkg. bought this spring. Two of the other colonies were purchased at the same time and doing very well. I also forgot to mention that the frames which had the drone cells were newly drawn so should not have had damaged or drone cells. Paul Article 14718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: Donn D Shinn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:11:17 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <362BFF55.57C36321@pop.erols.com> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-73-225.s225.tnt1.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: autumn.news.rcn.net 908852935 28527 207.172.73.225 (20 Oct 1998 03:08:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1998 03:08:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14718 The best advice I can (and in my opinion anyone can give) is to find a local beekeeping club. There is a wealth of information there and experience. Much more to keeping bees than just what is in books. Hands on makes a big difference. If in Virginia area, let me know and I can give you some club names. Shine389 wrote: > Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can > someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. Article 14719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Number of Frames/hive body Date: 20 Oct 1998 04:08:07 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <70h2b7$mbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.156.100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14719 shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot wrote in message <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net>... >I kept bees twenty years ago (in high school0 and now plan to get back >into it. In the deep recesses of my mind I seem to recall that I only >used 9 frames in a 10 frame body . it is common to use fewer than 10 frames in a standard hive, this allows the bees to fill out the comb more, making it easier to uncap. The drawback appears to be that when starting with foundation only (not drawn comb) the resulting gap is quite large and the bees can get creative with their waxworks, resulting in some burr comb that you don't want. I did this, and found that I got good results, with very little burr comb - they filled out the comb just fine. You may not get the same results. Note: some supply houses sell spacers (called Stoller spacers, I believe) that mount inside the box and insure that the 9 frames are evenly spaced. I used them. Article 14720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Number of Frames/hive body Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:02:30 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 38 Message-ID: <362C1966.744B@midwest.net> References: <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net> <70h2b7$mbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 908859937 .ZFUVYH4M1C12D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14720 From what I've read, it is recommended that you start with 10 frames in the super. After the comb is drawn out on all ten frames you can remove one and reposition the remaing 9. This helps avoid the 'creative comb' design you can get if you start with 9 frames of empty foundation. From what I've observed, 1 week after removing one frame for extracting - the bees wasted no time in building some pretty interesting wax. My super holds 10 frames and I think I'll use 10. AL C.R. Crowell wrote: > > shvlhead@visi.net.spamMEnot wrote in message > <362a6c4d.17028413@news.visi.net>... > > >I kept bees twenty years ago (in high school0 and now plan to get back > >into it. In the deep recesses of my mind I seem to recall that I only > >used 9 frames in a 10 frame body > . > it is common to use fewer than 10 frames in a standard hive, this allows the > bees to fill > out the comb more, making it easier to uncap. The drawback appears to be > that when > starting with foundation only (not drawn comb) the resulting gap is quite > large and the > bees can get creative with their waxworks, resulting in some burr comb that > you don't > want. I did this, and found that I got good results, with very little burr > comb - they filled out > the comb just fine. You may not get the same results. Note: some supply > houses sell > spacers (called Stoller spacers, I believe) that mount inside the box and > insure that the > 9 frames are evenly spaced. I used them. Article 14721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:47:59 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <362BC19F.3745@earthlink.net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <70cvs3$pc1$1@supernews.com> <362A367B.2AA6@earthlink.net> <70ffd9$hr3$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 19 15:51:34 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14721 Wheeler wrote: > > I use the small chips that are bagged for use as pet bedding. > Gerbils,dogs etc. They burn real slow, make a lot of smoke and smell great. > > Marc > > workerbee wrote in message <362A367B.2AA6@earthlink.net>... > >What kind of cedar chips? Red cedar? I've been wondering, since red cedar repels some insects such as moths, has anyone put red cedar strips into a hive and studied the effects on honeybees and varroa mites? Article 14722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice-need advice Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <17873-362C8A17-11@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <70ds32$m7o$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRoS9bzw2tkjO7gxA4NX1FH3ke8QgIUY6ntYgeOfVG4xUzVqjtjgZihgAA= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14722 Call your local extention agent and they can get you in touch with the bee inspector and they can give you the info you need. There are a lot of beekeepers in south Fl this time of the year. and ther a good many beekeepers that live in Fl all year long. Article 14723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CORDOVANS Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <17872-362C8F00-15@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRFCGpKHKOgM0IS22P3ZO8mxmvQugIVAIwEnVTzMIHRZPu5izsqsfMa6Y2d Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14723 I live in FL and requeen in the orange groves by forced supercedure. I had planed on using CORDOVANS this comeing year to requeen with. I think you could just check the drones in each hive and know if I had a new queen or not. I then read on the net that the corcovans where not great bees. I then read a post by JACK GRIFFIS that the largest beekeeper in the world uses these bees. I have read a lot of post be MR. GRIFFIS and realy think they are great. Can some more people post some more about these bees. I make my living with my bees and this is a very important part of my operation and I would not like to make a mistake. BUD Article 14724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA AMS National Honey Market Reports Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:52:13 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <362cb079.36708233@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.154 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.154 Lines: 14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.46.154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14724 SEPTEMBER USDA HONEY MARKET AND BEE CONDITION REPORTS. Now on line! Save $3.00 per issue read it on-line or d/l and print it out. A REAL TAX CUT for all beekeepers ! http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:48:36 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <70cvs3$pc1$1@supernews.com> <362A367B.2AA6@earthlink.net> <70ffd9$hr3$1@supernews.com> <362BC19F.3745@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 908900549 nnrp-06:6769 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14725 >I've been wondering, since red cedar repels some insects such as moths, >has anyone put red cedar strips into a hive and studied the effects on >honeybees and varroa mites? As Western Red Cedar is the most common single timber used in hive construction in the UK (and apparently does not repel bees), and varroa infestation is also widespread and becoming more so, I doubt if there is any large beneficial effect to be found here. Possibly you would need to find the essential oil(s) responsible for cedars properties and investigate using concentrations of such substance(s). However, the smell of cedar, although very pleasant, is quite persistant. Thus if very high concentrations of its active ingredients were to be used it could result in taints. -- Murray McGregor Article 14726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeping.guide@miningco.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bulletin Board Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:21:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <70id9r$pqh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.88 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 20 16:21:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.240.45.88 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14726 Hi Everyone, I just wanted to ask if some of you would take a look at the beekeeping bulletin board at The Mining Co. Beekeeping site. If you can help some of the folks on the board please do. I know they would appreciate your answers as well. Thank you for your time. Beekeeping Bulletin Board: http://beekeeping.miningco.com/mpboards.htm Kind Regards, Sherry Medders beekeeping.guide@miningco.com http://beekeeping.miningco.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:13:31 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: arlington.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 908849486 29701 207.49.166.4 (20 Oct 1998 02:11:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1998 02:11:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14727 Get down on a top bar hive In article <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com>, shine389@aol.com says... > Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can > someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. > Article 14728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!snielsen From: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:58:08 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <70iivg$nsb@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> Reply-To: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14728 In a previous article, mlwheeler@mailexcite.com ("Wheeler") says: >Has anyone had any >experiences with bees and hogs? What a horrific encounter. Bees and hogs. Sounds like something out of a film set in the backwoods of the South, with agents Mulder and Scully creeping around in the gloom. Susan -- Susan Nielsen | Beehive: If you build it, snielsen@orednet.org | they will comb. -- Article 14729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:52:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <70jeop$3bv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 21 01:52:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14729 In article <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com>, shine389@aol.com (Shine389) wrote: > Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can > someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. > Tell us where ya live and perhaps someone hereon can direct you to a local, regional, or state beekeeper association. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: danvar@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help on communication of honey bees Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:56:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <70jf1b$44h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.87.192.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 21 01:56:59 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.87.192.178 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14730 Can any one give me some web sites where i would be able to do research on how "Honey Bees communicate" I would also appreciate if you gave me more information on it too. Please reply soon, it is an emergency -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CORDOVANS Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:52:02 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 87 Message-ID: <70ji8i$8b0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <17872-362C8F00-15@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 21 02:52:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14731 In article <17872-362C8F00-15@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: > I live in FL and requeen in the orange groves by forced supercedure. I > had planed on using CORDOVANS this comeing year to requeen with. I > think you could just check the drones in each hive and know if I had a > new queen or not. this would indeed work as long as the cells are indeed grafted off a AI (II) Cordovan queen - a very clever use of the genetic marker - you would have to check emerging drones eventually as drones do drift freely > I then read on the net that the corcovans where not great bees. this can be true IF the strain of cordovans is selected solely for color - if the breeder is really into the mutants and thus maintains enough to actually select for more than just color well then the story changes - since it is a color mutation realize that the norm is to breed to maintain color - so you ain't looking for the norm if you intend to use Cordovans for commercial honey production - be aware that some Cordovan strains are ULTRA prolific but they may indeed be VERY disease prone at the same time unless someone takes care to select against that - since Bud Cale used them extensively as a genetic marker (and others have as well) you can on occasion get "crop out" Cordovans out of a host of bee strains >I > then read a post by JACK GRIFFIS that the largest beekeeper in the world > uses these bees. this is likewise true - Dean Breaux of Hybribees (Starline) now lives only about 2 miles as the bee flies from my farm - and Richard Adee (largest beekeeper) is a stockholder in Hybribees and normally obtains his AI breeder queens from Dean - as detailed before Richard prefers "bright bees" due to faster queen finding (don't need camo queens when ya gotta find and kill 'em by the thousands EACH year) - I happen to know that he also picked up some Cordovan breeder stock from a couple other sources (in OH) other than Dean which ironically had originally obtained their Cordovan stock from Dean - point being "ya might wanna trace back a few beekeeper generations before ya get Cordovans from different sources thinking you are gonna increase yer genetic diversity 'cause it may be they is all close kin" >I have read a lot of post be MR. GRIFFIS and realy > think they are great. gee thanks >Can some more people post some more about these > bees. I make my living with my bees and this is a very important part > of my operation and I would not like to make a mistake. > > BUD Bud, best advice I could give you is to not go whole hog into Cordovans all to once UNLESS you first get with someone like Dean Breaux or Richard Adee that can insure you get a strain (and appropriate management advice to go with it) that can do the job you need done. This same advice would hold true for ANY strain - there is a learning curve on the beekeepers part when they take on a new strain - when you do something for a living ya can't afford to learn some lessons the hard way. Realize also that you will not end up with Cordovan workers via using forced supersedure (planting cells at appropriate time). To get Cordovan workers the virgins must mate with Cordovan drones. Thus you would need to use a AI Cordovan queen each time to graft your cells off of to maintain your color marker. And as is always true when using forced supersedure insure you have LOADS of mature drones before you plant cells (some anecdotal "evidence" is accumulating hereabouts that using two cells gets you a higher mating success rate using forced supersedure). Then hope the combining ability is good and you end up with a dandy fine cross and not a mighty cross cross. Though generally Cordovans I have seen have been decidedly gentle. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam.F) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help on communication of honey bees Date: 21 Oct 1998 06:43:35 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <70jvqn$ifq$1@golux.radix.net> References: <70jf1b$44h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port1.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14732 In article <70jf1b$44h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >Can any one give me some web sites where i would be able to do research on how >"Honey Bees communicate" I would also appreciate if you gave me more >information on it too. >Please reply soon, it is an emergency Most honey bee biology, due to details and richness (eusociality is extremely complicated and theoretically controversial), isn't "on the web". However, there are many good BOOKS that cover aspects of honey bee biology, eusociality, ethology and communication--read honey bee behavior, that you could READ. Try: _The Biology of the Honey Bee_, Mark Winston, ISBN 0-674-07409-2 You can also get the honey bee book faq at this url: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology /beekeeping/faqs/bookfaq1.html Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu adamf@radix.net (either will work) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 14733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CORDOVANS Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <28187-362DDC3D-10@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMhDYgNpVDYnYksqGnWS9yOMjMwAIUdXGKkwsy2k4+2jJlco00Y+0u1UE= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14733 I got my info from the great man and queen raiser in Florida Dave Miksa and his even grater person his wife Linda. Dave and Linda go out of their way to take time to answer all of our and others questions. When we have a problem we always call Dave. Here is how I do it. We have 3 honey flows in Fla. the first one is in March and we buy our cells from Dave and using a cell protector put one in the honey super above the brood nest. My understanding is that if you do this during a honey flow and you have a lot of drones the worker bees are so busy that they pay no attention to the new queen and if she is mated she and the old queen will both be in the hive at the same time. This is about what happens when you have supercedure. We then do it again during the fall flow in Sept. because you get only about 60-80% success rate. If any one out their has a better suggestion please let me know I can use all the help I can get. I've only been doing this for about 2 years. I have seen no swarms in any of my yards during this time. When your have knew queens there is very little swarmming. The reason I wanted to use cordovans was to give me a easy way to check my success rate so I could requeen the hives that didn't take on the 2 flow. Heres hopeing I have'nt made too many mistakes. Thanks very much Mr. Griffis for that super post. BUD Article 14734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Wheeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:35:01 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 16 Message-ID: <70kki6$h58$1@supernews.com> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> <14784-362B3F9C-21@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <362bc8f8.1487579@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.144.151 X-Trace: 908973446 NMKDWAWQT9097D086C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14734 >You refer toi wild hogs, are we talking about the same thing? Down >here in SW and central FL we refer to them as razorbacks. > >Dave These are feral hogs. Take a regular 500 lbs. + tame hog, paint it black or brown, give it some big tusk and the worst smell you can think of and there you have it. I'm not sure what a razorback looks like, aren't they the same thing as a javalina? Javalina are smaller than feral hogs. Marc Article 14735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <362D3672.6CAF070E@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's getting cool! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:18:43 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.85 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 908975856 206.28.32.85 (Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:17:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:17:36 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14735 Hello folks. Yes it is starting to get cool here in KY. I was wondering when I should put the entrance reducer on. Later this week it will be below 30. Article 14736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's getting cool! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:16:49 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 21 Message-ID: <362DFAE1.346B@midwest.net> References: <362D3672.6CAF070E@mis.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.78 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 908983192 .ZFUVYH4MC 4ED0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14736 michael wrote: > > Hello folks. Yes it is starting to get cool here in KY. I was > wondering when I should put the entrance reducer on. Later this week it > will be below 30. Same here in S.IL. Some advice - suit up & smoke 'em before shoving that stick into the entrance. For some reason I figured it to be a nothing task - wrong! Gotta keep in mind (what mind?) there are guard bees at the entrance and its their job to keep intruders out, including sticks with bare hands attached... Entry in bee log 10-18-98 - {THINK} AL Article 14737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert E. Tosspon Jr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:30:12 -0500 Organization: Personal System Lines: 4 Message-ID: <70j160$jku@atlas.lcc.net> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: conr-ddas4-a42.lcc.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.70.128.241!atlas.lcc.net!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14737 You might check with any local beekeepers association. Article 14738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <20839-362E07A0-44@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <70kki6$h58$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ4HkLmhIWCz5n4IZ7RMjLM8+9+ZQIUBTrvy1mU/CoZl9qVxYbPdcB/dKs= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14738 Dave might be an inplant from the north,I've lived in Fla. all my life and the natives call them wild hogs. I know what a javalina is and that is not what we have. Like I said if you put bees in the woods in Fla you have a great chance of being near wild hogs. I'm sure there is someone out there that has had trouble, never say never, but I have never had any trouble and have never known of any other beekeeper haveing any. GOOD LUCK BUD Article 14739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wheeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:32:02 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 23 Message-ID: <70ff49$fj1$1@supernews.com> References: <70cuk8$t44$2@supernews.com> <19981018120425.23882.00000599@ng84.aol.com> <362a9abe.2472541@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.145.82 X-Trace: 908804041 NMKDWAWQT9152D086C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14739 dlpaxton@gate.net wrote in message <362a9abe.2472541@news.gate.net>... >On 18 Oct 1998 16:04:25 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >>>worried about the wild hogs that are plentiful there. Has anyone had any >>>experiences with bees and hogs? >>> >>>Marc good eating. Wonder if you could build a galvanized waterpipe cage >arround the hives to keep them out? > >Dave That's a good idea. I have also made plans to put put some on the table but that will only cure a small part of the problem. I saw them in a field next to my place the other day and there were 7 sows and 24 pigs. I'm sure there are a few boars hanging around in the woods. Marc Article 14740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordovan strain, italian honeybee Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 10:25:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <17FF492ABS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.226.1.24!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14740 In article <362A0CB3.C183B6BB@home.com> Diane Novak writes: > >Does anyone have experience with the Cordovan strain of Italian >honeybee? I have read that it displays most all of the good traits of >the standard italian along with an added advantage relative to its >unusual coloring and ability to pass this color gene to its offspring. >Does anyone know where Cordovan queens could be purchased? > > Judd Novak Cordovan Italians can exhibit all the traits you listed above. However, the Cordovan trait is a recessive genetic trait and can only be assured by instrumental insemination - open mated queens may not pass on the Cordovan coloring to their progeny. Furthermore, you will have variation in queens just as you would with queens of any race - some Italian queens produce gentle bees, some Italian queens produce more aggressive bees. As with ANY queens, know your breeders. I have been very pleased with queens and service provided by Glenn Apiaries PO Box 2737 Fallbrook, California 92088 (760) 728-3731 QueenB95@aol.com http://member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home.html You can get also Cordovans from Koehenen's at (916)934-5216, although I cannot offer personal testimony as I have never purchased from them. There is also an outfit in Miss. advertising "red heads" - check the bee journals. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:38:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <70gf7a$67t$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port17.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14741 shine389@aol.com (Shine389) wrote: >Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. Can >someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. It would help if we knew what part of the planet are you from? The following might give you a clue: 1. Go to the library. 2. Get a library card (they are free). 3. Take home books and videos on beekeeping. 4. Watch videos. 5. Read books. 6. Return them to the library. 7. Go back to rule #3. Then come here with inteligent questions for discussion. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Oct 1998 21:34:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <70k26p$stq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981021173412.24552.00000384@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14742 could you send me the recipie please thanks Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:24:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <70k26p$stq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <3624A7A5.75C1151F@noran.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 21 07:24:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.128.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14743 In article <3624A7A5.75C1151F@noran.com>, Timothy Moeller wrote: > 2. Propolis on shoes is NOT recommended (for reasons similar to not > stepping on chewing gum.) We simply used to scrape off the > accumulations on the edge of a super, until enough accumulated to where > it could be worked into a ball and disposed of, if necessary. Disposed of? Send it to me instead! ;-) Propolis, in an ethanol solution, is used as a "natural" antiseptic and, at least in my part of the world, people are ready to pay for it. Classical use is as a mouth desinfectant. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:40:57 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <70k369$v9j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> <362dae3f.24759121@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3624D6E4.FBFF1A2A@open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 21 07:40:57 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.128.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14744 In article <3624D6E4.FBFF1A2A@open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates wrote: > As a hobbyist, I would dispute any suggestion that the honey I extract > contains pollen, except for that in suspension in the capped cells of > honey, and be outraged at any suggestion that it containd *any* "bee > parts", or other particles. Wax, maybe. Not much of that, either. > Don't take this as a criticism, but obviously you have never put your honey under a microscope. I do that regularly (to deduct from pollen where the honey comes from) and there *are* bee parts in it (mostly bee hair). Yes, all my honey goes through a double mesh. The same is true from commercial honey. Actually, most local European laws requires honey *not* to be ultrafiltrated (which would be the only way to remove all "bee parts"), because if it were, one could not determine fraud any more (pollen would also be missing). Now if you put most common foods under a microscope, you will see far worse than what is in honey. And raw honey is a lot safer than, say, raw meat. We do not share that many deseases with honeybees. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Eric Jally" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Les Pages Vertes Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:37:15 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 36 Message-ID: <70kr3a$3o8$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tln9-84.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14745 LES PAGES VERTES, annuaire professionnel des filieres viti-vinicole, horticole, arboricole et legumiere Bonjour, Vous pourrez trouver sur ce site toutes les adresses Internet qui offrent à l'heure actuelle des solutions, des manifestations, des prestations et bien d'autres choses encore... 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Webmestre: Eric JALLY L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: http://pro.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole/ ****************************************** Article 14746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!news.dx.net!news From: "Frank Hymphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding my bees Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:02:14 -0500 Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc Lines: 28 Message-ID: <70lvkq$oin@news.dx.net> References: <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.162.64.164 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14746 Go ahead and feed them. It won't hurt if they expand into a super. They will consume it in the spring during build up. If not you can extract it and feed it back to them after the harvest next year. I usually start feeding heavily as soon as I harvest the last of the years honey crop. I like them to go into winter with one super full or a single brood chamber colony or a full top chamber for a two brood chamber colony. The reason they didn't consume much in December was because it was probably to cool for them to convert it into honey. I have seen bees starve to death with sugar water in the hive in a division board feeder next to the cluster. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@txk.net Liz Browne - Becky Williams wrote in message <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q>... >I'm an inexperienced beekeeper - I have 2 hives, live in Virginia, and >realized with the recent drought, that maybe I should feed my bees some >sugar water. Well, they have consumed 8 quarts of sugar water each in a >week and a half!! I don't know if I should continue feeding them until >they stop eating, or should I stop before they want to expand into a super, >which I don't want to do right before it gets cold. Is this normal for >them to eat this much sugar water at this time of year??? I didn't feed >them until December last year, and they just drank a little - the quart jar >lasted weeks. Any advice much appreciated. >Becky Article 14747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.netg.se!uio.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CORDOVANS requeening Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:40:48 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <28187-362DDC3D-10@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14747 In article <28187-362DDC3D-10@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) writes: >From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) >Subject: Re: CORDOVANS >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT) >I got my info from the great man and queen raiser in Florida Dave Miksa >and his even grater person his wife Linda. Dave and Linda go out of >their way to take time to answer all of our and others questions. When >we have a problem we always call Dave. > Here is how I do it. We have 3 honey flows in Fla. the first one is >in March and we buy our cells from Dave and using a cell protector put >one in the honey super above the brood nest. you are using queenexcluder above brood nest and an upper flighthole in the super? But then the new queen will have brood in the super. Or is th flow so heavy that the old queen stay in the lower boxes without excluder? > My understanding is that >if you do this during a honey flow and you have a lot of drones the >worker bees are so busy that they pay no attention to the new queen and >if she is mated she and the old queen will both be in the hive at the >same time. This is about what happens when you have supercedure. We >then do it again during the fall flow in Sept. because you get only >about 60-80% success rate. If any one out their has a better >suggestion please let me know I can use all the help I can get. I've >only been doing this for about 2 years. I have seen no swarms in any of >my yards during this time. When your have knew queens there is very >little swarmming. > The reason I wanted to use cordovans was to give me a easy way to >check my success rate so I could requeen the hives that didn't take on >the 2 flow. > > Heres hopeing I have'nt made too many mistakes. > Thanks very much Mr. Griffis for that super post. >BUD Article 14748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding my bees Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:10:47 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 22 Message-ID: <362F7527.474E@iet.hist.no> References: <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q> <70lvkq$oin@news.dx.net> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14748 Frank Hymphrey wrote: > I usually start > feeding heavily as soon as I harvest the last of the years honey crop. = I > like them to go into winter with one super full or a single brood chamb= er > colony or a full top chamber for a two brood chamber colony. ****> The reason ****> they didn't consume much in December was because it was probably to cool for ****> them to convert it into honey. I have seen bees starve to death with sugar ****> water in the hive in a division board feeder next to the cluster. If this is a problem use insulated hive bodies -- = Anthony N Morgan Avdeling for Teknologi H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 14749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <70n1u6$i2l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <3624A7A5.75C1151F@noran.com> <70k26p$stq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <70m298$pc0$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 22 10:37:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.128.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14749 In article <70m298$pc0$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Beeginer" wrote: > >Disposed of? Send it to me instead! ;-) Propolis, in an ethanol solution, > is > >used as a "natural" antiseptic and, at least in my part of the world, > people > >are ready to pay for it. Classical use is as a mouth desinfectant. > > > How do you collect it? > > Either scrape it off your suppers or use one of the 100 systems the industry provide, for example a propolis grid: lots of little holes that the bees try to clog up with propolis. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:42:02 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <70n25r$icm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <70k26p$stq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <19981021173412.24552.00000384@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 22 10:42:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.128.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14750 In article <19981021173412.24552.00000384@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > could you send me the recipie please > thanks > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > There is not much of a recipe: just dissolve as much propolis as you can in 95% ethanol. The result can either been applied to heal minute wounds, taken in the form of a few drops on your tongue, or is the raw material for creams, etc... If you want the recipe for the etc, don't ask me, I use the product raw... ;-) -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Hogs Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:53:26 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <362f3681.1215107@news.gate.net> References: <70kki6$h58$1@supernews.com> <20839-362E07A0-44@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl4-88.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14751 On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:11:12 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: >Dave might be an inplant from the north,I've lived in Fla. all my life >and the natives call them wild hogs. I know what a javalina is and that Actually, I was born at Broward General Hospital. My grandfather was Broward County's first health official (old Doc Campbell) and I have spen more time in the backwoods and swamps of FL than some people in this echo have been alive. The ONLY "wild pigs" I saw a a boy were wild boar that were imported for hunters back when the areas of Florida were first being settled. As a matter of fact, I don't think I have ever seen the wild species of what is raised on the farms as pigs. Not that they don't exist now but the time I spent in the woods in the 50's and 60's I never saw one. What I saw, and what many of my farmer friends killed and served on their tables were hairy (with a ridge down their back) and had 2 or 4 large teeth in the front of their mouth for tearing things up (one of my friends has scars to prove it) >is not what we have. Like I said if you put bees in the woods in Fla >you have a great chance of being near wild hogs. I'm sure there is >someone out there that has had trouble, never say never, but I have >never had any trouble and have never known of any other beekeeper >haveing any. What area of Florida are you in? It is a very large state. I camped and lived in woods and swamps from Below Orlando to the keys. Mostly the north side of Lake Okeechobee to the corkscrew swamp area. Big Dave Article 14752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:37:43 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <70m298$pc0$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <3624A7A5.75C1151F@noran.com> <70k26p$stq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust48.tnt1.mia1.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Oct 21 18:37:44 1998 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.xcom.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14752 >Disposed of? Send it to me instead! ;-) Propolis, in an ethanol solution, is >used as a "natural" antiseptic and, at least in my part of the world, people >are ready to pay for it. Classical use is as a mouth desinfectant. > How do you collect it? Article 14774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:44:02 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: <9F6GZGASJLM2IwOm@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> <362B15F0.5B83@earthlink.net> <362D76BD.3955E976@starpoint.net> <362F89FA.FA24E0FE@earthlink.net> <362F40AA.42E5C90D@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 909219644 nnrp-11:26768 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14774 In article <362F40AA.42E5C90D@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers writes >I went from 28 colonies to 95 then weeded out poor colonies down to 80 colonies >of >which I have now. I have never treated for mites with any thing else, when you >spray >this stuff directly on the bees you can actually watch the mites fall off. I >have >proven to myself that mineral oil does work. > >Elroy > I hope that you will not rely totally on FGMO to control varroa mites. No matter how satisfying it may be to watch them drop off the adult honeybees, you can only ever hope to stop some of them from laying the next batch of eggs. You cannot possibly hope to get them all. There was a very interesting article in "Bee Biz" (No. 8, July 1988, pp 22-24) called "A look under the cap - the reproductive behaviour of Varroa in the capped brood of the honeybee" which I would suggest you read. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 14775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:28:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <70q09q$aqj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> <362B15F0.5B83@earthlink.net> <362D76BD.3955E976@starpoint.net> <36305678.3161807@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 23 13:28:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.189 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14775 > >> > Lo and behold the Chinese are selling fluvalinate strips for less than > >> > $.40 US each. > I am with all who would save money but this OLd Drone learned long ago > if the price is too good to be true, its not. Well, I am not sure that this price is too good to be true. For one thing the supplier does not have the sunk research and approval costs that Zoecon (sic?) had. I am not sure that customs in many countries would knowingly allow them in; they may well be seized at customs as an illegal pesticide. Another thing is the question of how many stripos are in a package. I quote their page: Wang's-Strips are out of 10 % Manpulik (Fluvalinate). With 20 strips (1 package) you can treat 10 beehives. ...etc... Wear gloves when working with strips. Two strips for one strong colonie, one strip for a nucleus. The strips should hang between the 3 and 7 bee space. The strips should rest in the beehive between 6 and 8 weeks. Price Trial package: USD 10.00 Trial package per expedited mail: USD 11.00 1 package=10 strips, enough for 10 beehives I checked the other languages and in only the German language page did I see indication that the number is 20 in the trial package too. Maybe you actually get 10/pkg? > It could be that any beekeeper could take a strip and cut it into 10 > or 20 small strips and cut his costs. And it might even work, maybe we > should try this as we wait for our packages from China to clear > coustoms. Gosh and these strips are what size? > > I want to beelieve, but I have little trust in products from China > today, or what they have to say, and personally would not trust them > with my credit card numbers so I wait to hear of others good fortune, I agree with Andy about giving away credit card numbers to unknown offshore outfits. Not too smart. However, frankly, I doubt that for the small cost of the active ingredient that the supplier would cheat on the amount of pesticide in them or size of strip. It would not pay to get a bad name right off. However there may be opther surprises waiting in a new product. What if they used *too much** active ingredient? Or the quality control is poor? I think we need some firsthand info. If you'd like send me money (lots of it) and when I have $1500 collected, I'll go over to the factory and check it out for you all ;) and make a report. I guess, I am enthused about the prospect of an end to the overpriced monopoly (I just dropped $7500 for Apistan), but cautious about the new product until endorsed by someone known, trustworthy and knowlegeable. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CORDOVANS requeening Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:28:36 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <70srn4$auc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <22853-362F3FE3-22@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 24 15:28:36 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14776 In article <22853-362F3FE3-22@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: > We do not run queen excluders. We feel that if you do not use them it > helps keep your brood nest open. When you run a lot of hives and time is > so important it is a lot easier to keep the brood nest open without > having to take the excluder off every hive and open up the nest. Your mention of using "Forced Supersedure" (planting a protected cell in uppermost WELL OCCUPIED super DURING A FLOW matches with our results - right down to a normal range of 60-80% outright requeening success (old queen killed by virgin or workers) via that technique. Excluders are a debated item amongst beekeepers. The Aebi's obviously did well using them - took a world record for single queen honey production. And interestingly they at times approached that via slapping the "grounded" excluder atop of a SINGLE deep brood box. We don't do the grounding part nor do we routinely use single deeps but I can from experience attest to the notion that forcing them to use just one deep as a brood nest does tend (with super space above the excluder) to net you a open brood nest as per often wall to wall brood in the single deep. Obviously since they don't then have any mentionable stores in the brood nest you gotta time the removal of supers such that they then do pack in winter stores - timing is such a management scheme is crucial whereas when using multiple brood chambers and no excluder "stores" are generally omnipresent and thus super removal timing is less critical to success. When time is short ya just can't always time things the way ya might like so ya gotta go with a system that allows you to net the best results with least time critical manipulations. I believe I mentioned before that some anecdotal reports are accumulating hereabouts that planting 2 cells rather than one may net higher success in forced supersedure. David M. - have you seen that? tried it? - how about other fans of forced supersedure - ever compared success rates between using one and two protected cells per colony? -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:29:47 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3631e434.41030645@news.earthlink.net> References: <19981023133601.18007.00000076@ng-fc2.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp167.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sat Oct 24 07:27:39 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14777 c21dw@aol.com (C21dw) wrote: >Does anyone have any good plans for building a large say 10 frame observation >hive? Or smaller scale plans which can be enlarged to fit? I want to build one >for in the house but also want to be able to perform work on the bees by taking >the hive outside on nice days and therefore making the hive a mobile unit. Any >ideas? Can be reached at c21dw@aol.com. You may get some good ideas from the 3-frame hive at Barry Birkey's page, http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html , since many of those concepts are extendable to a 10 frame hive, and also from the hive photos on my site, http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ , although I do not have design drawings. If the hive is semi-permanant and inside a building, I offer a few suggested improvements over some of the designs you may see on the web: 1) Avoid screened vent holes. They often create a wind tunnel effect because of the air pressure difference between outside and inside, causing condensation problems. The bees usually propolize over them, eventually. 2) Two frame wide hives are far less stressful on the bees than the single comb width hives. The bees can control temperature better, and they will have more space to manage their colony. The queen won't always be visible in double width hives, but she will be seen often enough and there will usually be plenty of brood visible. 3) Bees do not need darkness from a covering over the glass, unless direct sunlight is a threat, or if it is needed to help the bees find their entrance. Since bees naturally head towards the light to find their hive entrance, they can have difficulty if window light comes from a direction opposite from the entrance. Queens usually lay just fine in normal room light. 4) The inside width between glass panes should be 3 and 1/8 inches for double frame width, or 1 and 3/4 inches for one frame. 5) It is good to enclose the glass in a way that allows easy separation of the glass from the wood frame, like a cabinet door concept. It is nearly impossible to work the bees with a "channel" concept to hold the glass on a semi-permanent hive, since the bees will propolize the glass to the frame. Let us know what design you finally use. This winter I plan to redesign an observation hive with features similar to what you described. Now that the africanized bee is near Dallas, I need to do this for better requeening capability. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips Date: 23 Oct 1998 18:18:33 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bdfeb1$f514f5e0$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> <362B15F0.5B83@earthlink.net> <362D76BD.3955E976@starpoint.net> <362F89FA.FA24E0FE@earthlink.net> <362F40AA.42E5C90D@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-07.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14778 Elroy Rogers wrote in article > I went from 28 colonies to 95 then weeded out poor colonies down to 80 colonies of > which I have now. I have never treated for mites with any thing else, when you spray > this stuff directly on the bees you can actually watch the mites fall off. I have > proven to myself that mineral oil does work. > > Elroy > > I don't know about this mineral oil treatment. Please let me know some more details. What do you use? Where do you get it? How is the application done? How long do you use these kind of treatment in your colonies? Ulli Article 14779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do bees find their way back to their hives? Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 1998 01:21:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdff7c$74738fc0$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <19981024212131.13843.00000704@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14779 >I mean, maybe I'm being stupid here, but if I were a bee driving home >loaded with nectar, and saw 10 of those white hive boxes in a row, I don't >know that I'd actually make it into the right one. > >Also, these bees are often foraging a mile or more away from the hive, >aren't they? With winds and other impediments, how do they find their way >back. Is this something like homing pigeons? I've heard references made >that they don't forage on windy or rainy days, but never anything about how >they find their way back to the hive. > >Could someone please enlighten me? > > > > > > simple, leave your house, walk around it about 3 times, look very closely so you can distinguish it from all the other houses on the3 block, now drive your car backwards about a tenth of a mile looking very carefully at your surroundings, now turn around and go back to driving forward, remember which side the sun hits your face, remember how the sunshine changes when you make turns. do your buiseness get back in your car and do the exact opposite of your first trip till you see familure terrain, when you see all the houses on your street go into the one you left to start with. and that friends is how those amazing honey bees find their way home. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Daniel D. Dempsey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do bees find their hives? part II Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:41:39 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3632AC03.2398@tco.net> References: <01bdff7c$8dd33a60$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: ddempdey@tco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.77.84.150 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909290263 YISF2PV2T5496D14DC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14780 Steve Ferkau wrote: > > I'm researching an unusual problem/question with a friend involving > beekeeping. I'm finding an incredible amount of information about > beekeeping on the web, but much of the information in this vane explains > how bees find food and communicate that to each other. > > A little known law exists in Italian legislature whereby if a beekeeper A's > bees migrate to the neighboring Beekeeper B's hives, after a two-day 'grace > period' (in which beekeeper A has the opportunity to retrieve his bees), > the bees become the lawful possession of beekeeper B. > > 1) We would like to know what would motivate the bees to move from > beekeeper A's hives to beekeeper B's. A swarm ( old queen and part of the bees from the hive). > > 2) How would a beekeeper possibly retrieve his bees? Shake them in a box and carry them home. Now you have 2 hives. > > Any advise on these matters would be greatly appreciated. Article 14781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:18:14 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <70v8e4$jfe$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: Reply-To: "Beeginer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust144.tnt1.mia1.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Sun Oct 25 05:17:56 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14781 test wrote in message DBwX1.17091$5w6.51@newsfeed.slurp.net... >DSS Test cards! > >http://www.razilou.com > Article 14782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do bees find their hives? part II Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 1998 17:10:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdff7c$8dd33a60$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <19981025121045.17794.00001037@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14782 Steve Ferkau wrote: >A little known law exists in Italian legislature whereby if a beekeeper A's >bees migrate to the neighboring Beekeeper B's hives, after a two-day 'grace >period' (in which beekeeper A has the opportunity to retrieve his bees), >the bees become the lawful possession of beekeeper B. Cf. English Common Law, under which colonies of bees are not owned property unless and until they are housed by a beekeeper in a hive (of any sort). The second a swarm of bees exits the hive, it is no one's property and may be retrieved by anybody. Of course, if you go into your neighbor's yard without permission to capture an emerging or recently emerged swarm, you may be guilty of tresspass. But not theft. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 14783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do bees find their way back to their hives? Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 1998 17:25:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdff7c$74738fc0$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <19981025122549.17794.00001041@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14783 Steve Ferkau wrote: >I mean, maybe I'm being stupid here, but if I were a bee driving home >loaded with nectar, and saw 10 of those white hive boxes in a row, I don't >know that I'd actually make it into the right one. Honey bees don't always get it right. Particularly if they are few distinguishing features on the landscape and when the hives are in (long) straight rows. And some races of bees have greater tendency to "drift" to nearby hives than some other races. >Also, these bees are often foraging a mile or more away from the hive, >aren't they? With winds and other impediments, how do they find their way >back. Their first orienting flights help them fix the equivalent of a map in their memory, so permanent obstacles are no problem. Temporary ones (newly arrived) they sometimes run into (such as a person or animal standing in the path of the return beeline). Their compound eyes allow them to take account of changing sun position in ways no possible with simple/ single eyes. And, between the facets of their complex eyes, there are small hairs which register wind factors, allowing them to compensate, both on their flight out to the food source indicated by the well-known dance and on the return flight. I don't know about Web resources on these aspects of honey bee biology. But there are several print sources. Some of it, such as drifting and how practically to minimize it, can be found in many beginning beekeeping books. Another good source for the "hows" of honey bee structure and function is: *The Biology of the Honey Bee* by Mark L. Winston (Harvard Univ. Press, 1987). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 14784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: W. Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-Queen in November??? X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 1 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:35:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.198 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 909347688 207.181.79.198 (Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:34:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:34:48 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14784 I have a laying worker the hive appears to be strong--is it possible to introduce a new queen now --I know queens will start laying again in February --I live in southern Ontario--Anybody with ideas? Article 14785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Frank Hymphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:53:17 -0500 Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc Lines: 14 Message-ID: <70lv3u$oas@news.dx.net> References: <3622C894.654B@midwest.net> <70cuk6$t44$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.162.64.164 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.island.net!news.accessus.net!news.dx.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14785 I also Live in East Texas. If the bees are working Wild Aster, It can get to smelling like old unwashed gym socks. You certainly don't want to harvest any of the honey. I know of sever instances where people with one or two hives in the back yard, had to close all the windows and doors to keep the odor out of the house Frank Humphrey beekeepr@txk.net Wheeler wrote in message <70cuk6$t44$1@supernews.com>... >We have also noticed a bad odor in our two hives. We opened them yesterday Article 14786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Oct 1998 13:58:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <70q09q$aqj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981023095802.15822.00000055@ng18.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14786 Hi! Well, I do share a few of you guy's concerns, but I still ordered some. But - I agree totally about the CC # - that is why it is coming COD. And they didn't get my phone # either, only the e-mail. This is my first go at beekeeping, so I won't really be able to tell you how well it works, as I have nothing else to compare to. See ya later, Dar Article 14787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:26:50 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 20 Message-ID: <362F40AA.42E5C90D@starpoint.net> References: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> <362B15F0.5B83@earthlink.net> <362D76BD.3955E976@starpoint.net> <362F89FA.FA24E0FE@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.103 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909152912 PUMHRGCYS0567CE92C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14787 workerbee wrote: > > I don't use apistan or other chemicals in any of my 80 colonies. The mineral > > oil has worked for me for two years now, by the way last spring I only had 28 > > colonies. > > > > Elroy > > Why the drop from 80 to 28? I went from 28 colonies to 95 then weeded out poor colonies down to 80 colonies of which I have now. I have never treated for mites with any thing else, when you spray this stuff directly on the bees you can actually watch the mites fall off. I have proven to myself that mineral oil does work. Elroy Article 14788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3633C857.45D9BF3C@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:54:47 -0500 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Elroy Rogers Subject: Re: cheap varroa strips References: <362ab908.27475855@netnews.att.net> <362B15F0.5B83@earthlink.net> <362D76BD.3955E976@starpoint.net> <362F89FA.FA24E0FE@earthlink.net> <362F40AA.42E5C90D@starpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.224 X-Trace: 26 Oct 1998 00:55:48 GMT, 166.72.78.224 Lines: 28 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.78.224 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14788 Elroy, I'm not familiar with the spray technique using FGMO. I have read much of Dr. Rodriguse(sp?)writing but I don't recall a spray method. Can you elaborate. Spray full strength on each frame? Any concern of over spraying and Killing the bees? Do you use a garden sprayer or a hand misting sprayer? Al Welk - Atlanta, GA Elroy Rogers wrote: > > workerbee wrote: > > > > I don't use apistan or other chemicals in any of my 80 colonies. The mineral > > > oil has worked for me for two years now, by the way last spring I only had 28 > > > colonies. > > > > > > Elroy > > > > Why the drop from 80 to 28? > > I went from 28 colonies to 95 then weeded out poor colonies down to 80 colonies of > which I have now. I have never treated for mites with any thing else, when you spray > this stuff directly on the bees you can actually watch the mites fall off. I have > proven to myself that mineral oil does work. > > Elroy Article 14789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3633C99D.C69AD40F@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:00:13 -0500 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: C21dw Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans References: <19981023133601.18007.00000076@ng-fc2.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.224 X-Trace: 26 Oct 1998 01:01:13 GMT, 166.72.78.224 Lines: 17 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.78.224 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14789 Great plans can be found at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html I built his hive with minor changes and enjoy taking it to my son's school. I sits in his bedroom and the bees have access via a window. Al Welk, Atlanta, GA C21dw wrote: > > Does anyone have any good plans for building a large say 10 frame observation > hive? Or smaller scale plans which can be enlarged to fit? I want to build one > for in the house but also want to be able to perform work on the bees by taking > the hive outside on nice days and therefore making the hive a mobile unit. Any > ideas? Can be reached at c21dw@aol.com. > > Thanks!!!!! Article 14790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.178.60.5!nntp1.wolfe.net!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "anomadstar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:33:50 -0800 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C Lines: 19 Message-ID: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-e35.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14790 Hi there. We are gearing up to move our hobby of beeswax candlemaking to a part-time business, and need to locate a reliable source of wax. We are located near Seattle, Washington, but will consider purchasing wax from anywhere in the U.S. Right now, we believe we will be using 20-40 pounds a month, perhaps more as things progress. If you want to sell some wax, or know of anyone who does, please email us with cost. Thank you! Sara and Tom Moore Rustic Charm Candle Company Mill Creek, Washington tnsmoore@wolfenet.com Article 14791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding my bees Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:42:57 -0700 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <362F3661.3991F83F@bigfoot.com> References: <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q> <70lvkq$oin@news.dx.net> <362F7527.474E@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14791 Where can I find out about "insulated hive bodies"? Purchase or construction, materials to use, et cetera. Thanks for any help. Tom Monroe, WA US "Anthony N. Morgan" wrote: > Frank Hymphrey wrote: > > > I usually start > > feeding heavily as soon as I harvest the last of the years honey crop. I > > like them to go into winter with one super full or a single brood chamber > > colony or a full top chamber for a two brood chamber colony. > ****> The reason > ****> they didn't consume much in December was because it was probably > to cool for > ****> them to convert it into honey. I have seen bees starve to death > with sugar > ****> water in the hive in a division board feeder next to the cluster. > > If this is a problem use insulated hive bodies > -- > Anthony N Morgan > Avdeling for Teknologi > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7005 Trondheim Article 14792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding my bees Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:50:58 -0700 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <362F3841.AAA57435@bigfoot.com> References: <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q> <70lvkq$oin@news.dx.net> <362F7527.474E@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14792 Where can I find out about "insulated hive bodies"? Purchase or construction, materials to use, et cetera. Thanks for any help. Tom Monroe, WA US "Anthony N. Morgan" wrote: > Frank Hymphrey wrote: > > > I usually start > > feeding heavily as soon as I harvest the last of the years honey crop. I > > like them to go into winter with one super full or a single brood chamber > > colony or a full top chamber for a two brood chamber colony. > ****> The reason > ****> they didn't consume much in December was because it was probably > to cool for > ****> them to convert it into honey. I have seen bees starve to death > with sugar > ****> water in the hive in a division board feeder next to the cluster. > > If this is a problem use insulated hive bodies > -- > Anthony N Morgan > Avdeling for Teknologi > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7005 Trondheim Article 14793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on bees from New Zealand Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:02:06 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 44 Message-ID: <363464BC.FACA3A63@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <1dhakhi.1iq1yt497i5skN@dyna21-06.compulink.co.uk> <362FBBA0.3E225E2F@valkyrie.co.nz> <711fgg$nme$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7E2E01C8D76A3F0865F9CF48" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p21-max1.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14793 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7E2E01C8D76A3F0865F9CF48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan, Sure does exist and I just checked it again from the link in the quoted part of your message. I'm on IHUG too so maybe it was just bad luck when you tried it. Nice site too, put up by Nick Wallingford. Regards, Adrian. Alan Boghurst wrote: > I have heard of no such rule and the site quoted in Adrian's reply does not > appear to exist. Try writing to NZ National Beekeepers Association, P O Box > 32, Blenheim, NZ if you want further info. --------------7E2E01C8D76A3F0865F9CF48 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7E2E01C8D76A3F0865F9CF48-- Article 14794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding my bees Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:57:32 -0700 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <362F39CC.601F301F@bigfoot.com> References: <01bdf70b$a2687ea0$420847cc@meb2q> <70lvkq$oin@news.dx.net> <362F7527.474E@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14794 Where can I find out about "insulated hive bodies"? Purchase or construction, materials to use, et cetera. Thanks for any help. Tom Monroe, WA US "Anthony N. Morgan" wrote: > Frank Hymphrey wrote: > > > I usually start > > feeding heavily as soon as I harvest the last of the years honey crop. I > > like them to go into winter with one super full or a single brood chamber > > colony or a full top chamber for a two brood chamber colony. > ****> The reason > ****> they didn't consume much in December was because it was probably > to cool for > ****> them to convert it into honey. I have seen bees starve to death > with sugar > ****> water in the hive in a division board feeder next to the cluster. > > If this is a problem use insulated hive bodies > -- > Anthony N Morgan > Avdeling for Teknologi > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7005 Trondheim Article 14795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Alan Boghurst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on bees from New Zealand Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:28:11 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 33 Message-ID: <711fgg$nme$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> References: <1dhakhi.1iq1yt497i5skN@dyna21-06.compulink.co.uk> <362FBBA0.3E225E2F@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14795 I have heard of no such rule and the site quoted in Adrian's reply does not appear to exist. Try writing to NZ National Beekeepers Association, P O Box 32, Blenheim, NZ if you want further info. Alan (Putiki Honey, Waiheke Island) Adrian T Stacey wrote in message <362FBBA0.3E225E2F@valkyrie.co.nz>... Don't know the current situation but the only reference I could find was a Maltese Government press release dated in 1996. I found numerous references to Kashmire Bee Virus being found in the US since that time. If I follow the references correctly, KBV has only been found by incubation in NZ, for a fuller report and a possible person to ask, visit: http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/ Adrian Jeremy Cherfas wrote: > I'm wondering, does anyone know whether any governments have banned the > importation of queens and bees from New Zealand, because of Kashmir Bee > Virus. I know that Malta has, but anyone else? > > -- > Jeremy Cherfas > Somerset, UK >  Article 14796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3634D882.4876@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:16:20 -0500 From: Steven McFadden Reply-To: Tawndor@tidalwave.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book reviews: Farms of Tomorrow Revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.221.132 Organization: Tidalwave Internet Lines: 149 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!beetle.privatei.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsprime.tidalwave.net!209.12.221.132 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14796 Two reviews of a recent book on farming and community supported agriculture -- a short one and then a longer one. Although the book is American, the reviews are from England. - SM ---------------------------------------------- Maya Books ORGANIC GARDENING AND FARMING FARMS OF TOMORROW REVISTED: COMMUNITY SUPPORTED FARMS, FARM SUPPORTED COMMUNITIES Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden This book provides a thoughtful and compelling case for a new form of sustainable agriculture. In a series of well-written, highly readable essays, the authors lay out the philosophical, historical, social, economic, and even spiritual groundwork for the future of farming. Farms of Tomorrow-Revisited is an update of the original, published in 1990, which was translated into Japanese, Russian, and Korean. It has the same underlying precept -- that farming is not just a business, but a precondition for life on earth -- tempered by seven years of additional experience and six new essays. Ten farms are examined, providing a range of models. A series of useful appendices provide practical information on how to get started in CSA (Community Supported Agriculture). 312pp 234 x 156mm £12.95 pb September 98 Maya Books Publications on environmental issues, green politics, alternative technologies, renewable energy, organic gardening and farming, and ecological building. http://www.mayabooks.ndirect.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Resurgence Magazine THE SPIRIT OF FARMING By Julian Rose Resurgence Magazine - 9/98 (A review of the book Farms of Tomorrow Revisited: Community Supported Farms, Farms Supported Communities, 1998 by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden) In the preface to the series of essays that form the principal content of this book the authors state: "Seven years ago our book 'Farms of Tomorrow' appeared in print with the help of the Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association. It contained basic essays on new structures for farms which acknowledged that farming is not just a business like any other profit-making business, but a precondition of all human life on Earth and a precondition of all economic activity." It is rare to come across any practical farming guide that sets out, from its inception, a set of principles that embrace social, spiritual and economic concerns on completely equal terms. But then Farms of Tomorrow Revisited is about community supported agriculture (CSA), wedded to Biodynamic farming principles; each is radical and far-sighted in its own right; together they constitute an almost total antithesis of current agribusiness. I have spent a good part of the last 20 years grappling with the ups and downs of commercial organic farming. It has been a steep and intensive learning curve as well as an enriching one. But recently it has led me to reflect deeply on the purpose of all this effort. Has the main objective been to try to make a living from farming the land sustainably…or has it been to fashion an underlying shift in emphasis in our attitudes and expectancies of daily life in the late Twentieth Century? They are not mutually exclusive issues, of course, but by recognizing that growing food is a "precondition of human life on Earth" one instantly understands it to be primarily a social concern and secondly and agronomic concern. The profit motive is subordinated. As the agricultural industry hurtles on toward the annihilation of the very biodiversity which sustains it, we all find it increasingly hard to know which way to turn in order to avoid becoming accomplices to the growing tide of destruction. Even as an organic farmer I feel deeply uneasy with the constant need to keep up with the rat race: the pressures induced by trading in and with a society seemingly caught irrevocably in the fast lane to nowhere. Those of us who practice sustainable farming and forestry methods hold a small (but significant) part of the solution. But over the coming decades our organic remit must broaden to include the whole spectrum of rural resources, tying together villages, markets, people, food, energy and raw materials in recognition of their interlocking significance to a sustainable local economy. It will no longer be enough to focus on agriculture alone. It is this new dimension that forms the central focus for Farms of Tomorrow Revisited. Arguably, the community-supported agriculture movement has grown up in response to the need to create a reformed sustainable food system -- one that embraces a community rather than a corporate or nuclear family approach and that builds an essential bond between farmers and those who support them. As the book explains, the Biodynamic methods employed on these farms find their roots in the writings and teachings of Rudolf Steiner, whose perceptions on seasonality, cosmic planting rhythms, animal health, dynamic composting, and many other closely related topics, have attracted increasing interest over the years. It was Steiner who prophetically wrote in the late 1920s, "if you feed a ruminant on animal matter, it will go mad." The holdings examined in Farms of Tomorrow Revisited clearly draw on Steiner's commitment to a reformed understanding of the day-to-day practicalities of the agricultural calendar. The first part of the book is devoted to a series of essays that develop the reader's understanding of the philosophy which embraces community-supported agriculture. In the second half, separate chapters are given to the examination of some ten different CSA farms, mostly in the eastern United States. An appendix at the end offers practical guidelines, with sample budgets and other relevant information pertinent to the establishment of a CSA holdinsg. The wisdom and clarity of philosophy are striking throughout, but one cannot help being left with the impression that it is hard for the somewhat introspective Biodynamic practitioners and supporters to retain one foot in the reality of existing society rather than place both in the ultimate compost-inspired future. It is, as always, a question of balance. (Reviewer Julian Rose is an organic farmer/forester and trustee of the Dartington Hall Trust, England. The review appeared in Resurgence Magazine - 9/98 http//www.gn.apc.org.resurgence -------------------------------------------------------------------- Farms of Tomorrow Revisited: Community Supported Farms, Farm Supported Communities By Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden Published 1998 by The Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. The book is available from http://www.amazon.com Or from the principal distributor; Chelsea Green, Inc. - 1-800-639-4099 - END - Article 14797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Traps Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Oct 1998 11:18:30 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981026061830.03420.00000708@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14797 A fellow beekeeper (really!) has problems with an aggressive hive and is looking for some sort of Drone trap to stop the drones 'spreading their seed' to neighbouring colonies. Has anyone any experience with methods of stopping drones escaping from a hive, plans of a drone trap, or know where I could get further information. Thanks in advance. Article 14798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chezliley@aol.com (Chezliley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re. natural prevention Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Oct 1998 12:34:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981026073411.02430.00001102@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14798 I would like to know if anyone has had success with natural preventitives for nosema and mites, e.g. using essential oils, perhaps? My hive seems healthy, and I would be very interested to know about alternatives to Fumidil B and apistan, etc. Thanks for any tips. Article 14799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!worldfeed.news.gte.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Traps Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Oct 1998 15:10:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981026061830.03420.00000708@ngol02.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981026101039.12183.00001676@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14799 drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman)wrote: >A fellow beekeeper (really!) has problems with an aggressive hive and is >looking for some sort of Drone trap to stop the drones 'spreading their seed' >to neighbouring colonies. Sounds like your friend needs to requeen rather than hunt around for a trap. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 14800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3634916A.15EC4B11@acnet.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:12:43 -0600 From: "Manuel E. Tarriba Urtuzuastegui" Reply-To: demada@acnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: demada@acnet.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 167.114.67.64 X-Trace: 26 Oct 1998 22:24:45 -0600, 167.114.67.64 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.acnet.net!167.114.67.64 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14800 MY NME IS MANUEL TARRIBA, I AM ORIENTAL VEGETABLES GROWER (LONG BEANS, BITERMELLON, CHINESSE EGGPLANT, SINGUA, MO9KUA, OPO, GAILAN, PACKCHOIS, YUCHOI), I AM INTERESTING TO CHANCE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THAT HAVE RELATION ON THIS BUISNES. MY EMAIL IS DEMADA@ACNET.NET Article 14801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Steve Ferkau" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do bees find their way back to their hives? Date: 24 Oct 1998 18:26:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bdff7c$74738fc0$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.148.64 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14801 I'm trying to locate some information or websites that tell me how bees find their way back to their hives... Or, once they are there, how do they know which one is theirs? I've read many articles about foraging and "dance language" that are fascinating, telling me how scouts direct other foragers TO food sources. As well as articles that explain how some of the bees guarding the hive detect invaders by smell, but once the invader is inside the hive they can no longer detect them. There is an incredible amount of bee information out on the web which details how bees find food, communicate it to other members of the hive, and pursue the food... But I can't seem to find any information on how they return or at least locate their own hive. I mean, maybe I'm being stupid here, but if I were a bee driving home loaded with nectar, and saw 10 of those white hive boxes in a row, I don't know that I'd actually make it into the right one. Also, these bees are often foraging a mile or more away from the hive, aren't they? With winds and other impediments, how do they find their way back. Is this something like homing pigeons? I've heard references made that they don't forage on windy or rainy days, but never anything about how they find their way back to the hive. Could someone please enlighten me? Article 14802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Steve Ferkau" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do bees find their hives? part II Date: 24 Oct 1998 18:26:55 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bdff7c$8dd33a60$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.148.64 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14802 I'm researching an unusual problem/question with a friend involving beekeeping. I'm finding an incredible amount of information about beekeeping on the web, but much of the information in this vane explains how bees find food and communicate that to each other. A little known law exists in Italian legislature whereby if a beekeeper A's bees migrate to the neighboring Beekeeper B's hives, after a two-day 'grace period' (in which beekeeper A has the opportunity to retrieve his bees), the bees become the lawful possession of beekeeper B. 1) We would like to know what would motivate the bees to move from beekeeper A's hives to beekeeper B's. 2) How would a beekeeper possibly retrieve his bees? Any advise on these matters would be greatly appreciated. Article 14803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: entrance reducer? Date: 27 Oct 1998 18:34:03 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 34 Message-ID: <01be01d8$7a1df560$cb62400c@default> References: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14803 Whether a reducer is necessary depends on your climate. I don't use them in central California. Someone suggested that a good use for them is to slip under the back of the bottom board to provide forward tilt for the hive. An opening about 3/8" x 3/4" should be sufficient if you use one. Make sure you check periodically for blockage at the opening and provide for ventilation at the top of the hive As for the wire mesh, no. If you are referring to what is commonly called hardware cloth, it is too easily damaged (mesh hole enlarged, etc) and the tolerances required to allow workers but not a queen to pass are too tight. Even the purchased ones will let the occasional queen thru. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail timjk6969@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > I'm in the process of building my own hives, hope to be ready for spring. > Read some great books on beekeeping and found plans for hives and components. > Can someone give me demensions for a entrance reducer? Can't seem to find > demensions for this item or do I even need this item? > Also, can I build my own queen excluder out of wire mesh? > > Thanks, > Tim > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > Article 14804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queen in November??? Date: 27 Oct 1998 18:47:23 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01be01da$555848a0$cb62400c@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14804 Re-queening a colony with a laying worker is difficult at best and probably impossible up north in October. What is the incentive for the bees to accept the queen? I would combine the laying worker hive with another hive that could use a boost in population going into the winter. But beware that it is not as simple as putting it on top of another colony with newspaper in between. Do some research. I believe an accepted way is as follows: 1. Remove the laying worker hive from it's location to about 10 yards away, 2. put the hive you wish to combine it with at the laying worker's former location, 3. thuroughly disrupt the laying worker colony by shaking the bees off the frames and onto the ground. The idea is that the most of the bees will be demoralized and fly back to the old location but the laying worker will be unable to fly and won't find it walking that far. You can make a split in the spring. Now, if you only have the one hive, you will probably have to start over in the spring. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail W. Anderson wrote in article ... > I have a laying worker the hive appears to be strong--is it possible to introduce a new queen now --I know queens will start laying again in February --I live in southern Ontario--Anybody with ideas? > Article 14805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: timjk6969@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: entrance reducer? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:26:02 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 11 Message-ID: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 27 17:26:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14805 I'm in the process of building my own hives, hope to be ready for spring. Read some great books on beekeeping and found plans for hives and components. Can someone give me demensions for a entrance reducer? Can't seem to find demensions for this item or do I even need this item? Also, can I build my own queen excluder out of wire mesh? Thanks, Tim -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Oct 1998 20:08:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981027150806.16160.00000217@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14806 Drs. Royce and Burgett and myself have been running an experiment at the Oregon State University Bee Lab on Juniper wood and its effect as a bee repellent (not very good) and for its effects on varroa and trecheal mites. We built hives from Juniper wood (very beautiful - hard to woodwork and nail - smells wonderful) and installed nucs in both the Junpier and pine boxes as control. We have come up with some interesting data that will be published soon and a paper will be presented at the Oregon State Beekeeping Conference in Seaside OR in three weeks. Don't run out and build bee equipment out of Juniper yet, but there is a "statistically-significant" improvement in varroa population in the Junipert boxes. Keep in mind the "statistically-significant" does not necessarily mean the wood works on mites. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee Article 14807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!SupernewsUK!supernews.com!SnNA!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queen in November??? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:35:03 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36362E77.1E0F@midwest.net> References: <01be01da$555848a0$cb62400c@default> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.84 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909520603 .ZFUVYH4MC 54D0EBC usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14807 George Styer wrote: > > I would combine the laying worker hive with another hive that could use a > boost in population going into the winter. But beware that it is not as > simple as putting it on top of another colony with newspaper in between. > Am I missing something here? What value is a laying worker unless you're particularly fond of drones? And why would you want to populate your hive with drones going into the winter? AL Article 14808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: "S NEWPORT" <@pavilion.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom Therapy Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:35:09 -0000 Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 12 Message-ID: <715bbv$nn8$1@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna3-25.dialup.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 909521087 24296 194.242.139.153 (27 Oct 1998 20:44:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 1998 20:44:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14808 I am interested in the use of bees venom to treat various types of arthritis and have heard that it can be used to treat gout as well. I read somewhere that bees venom helps to break down the uric acid crystals that cause gout but I cannot find it again. Can anyone help ? (I have tried the American Apitherapy pages but can find no reference.) Any quotes or references would be appreciated. Article 14809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: entrance reducer? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:42:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <715i9b$rde$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01be01d8$7a1df560$cb62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 27 22:42:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14809 > As for the wire mesh, no. If you are referring to what is commonly called > hardware cloth, it is too easily damaged (mesh hole enlarged, etc) and the > tolerances required to allow workers but not a queen to pass are too tight. Actually, 5 mesh hardware cloth works very nicely and I used it for years on 100 Farrar hives which are an unusual shape (20 x20). However the purchased wire ones are more durable & cheap. Buy a metal bound one, not the wood bound one. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blue honey Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:38:39 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <363683AF.310D@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust44.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Oct 27 18:41:19 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14810 I have a limited supply of Eastern North Carolina Blue Honey for sale in 12oz squeeze bottles for anyone interested in seeing or tasting it. Please contact me at my email address for details. I am not in business and this offer is for those who might not have ever seen it. Don Article 14811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queen in November??? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:39:57 -0800 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3636BC3D.48D4@kingston.net> References: <01be01da$555848a0$cb62400c@default> <36362E77.1E0F@midwest.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909542421 VRL06/YYI30B1CDBDC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14811 Al wrote; > Am I missing something here? What value is a laying worker unless you're > particularly fond of drones? And why would you want to populate your > hive with drones going into the winter? > > AL Hi Al, What George is saying is by placing the hive whose population you wish to boost in the spot where the worker laying hive was the bees which are able to fly back to that spot are worth keeping and the laying workers will not. You are right in the assumption that the original frames are now full of drone eggs. So freeze the frames and put them back into the hive. The bees will clean them out. You might want to give this hive another shot of syrup as there is going to be an influx of new bees, remember, bees are happy when there is food coming in. I have never tried this procedure this late in the season and there is a risk that the new bees will kill the queen so feeding might mellow the situation. Personaly, I would hesitate at puting another hive at risk this late in the season so after I disrupted the hive and replaced the brood frames I would take a quick look in other hives for a frame of eggs. IF I found one then I would transfer it otherwise I would just let the hive go and deal with it in the spring. I also live in Ontario and I don't think you can get a new queen here intime. Although W.Anderson may have found a way. Good Luck! -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do bees find their hives? part II Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:30:05 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3636e2ba.2078667@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <01bdff7c$8dd33a60$40944b0c@lai782.acns.nwu.edu> <19981025121045.17794.00001037@ng138.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38-max26.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14812 skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) wrote: >Cf. English Common Law, under which colonies of bees are not owned property >unless and until they are housed by a beekeeper in a hive (of any sort). The >second a swarm of bees exits the hive, it is no one's property and may be >retrieved by anybody. Of course, if you go into your neighbor's yard without >permission to capture an emerging or recently emerged swarm, you may be guilty >of tresspass. But not theft. I think there is provision under that law that you do not lose possession of a swarm emerging from your hive as long as you keep it in sight; i.e. if you can watch & follow the swarm it remains your property. Cheers frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 14813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queen in November??? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:18:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7162ed$jsd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.31 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 28 03:18:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14813 In article , W. Anderson wrote: > I have a laying worker the hive appears to be strong--is it possible to introduce a new queen now --I know queens will start laying again in February -- I live in southern Ontario--Anybody with ideas? > IF you have adundant population of bees - lots of whom emerged recently (not a bunch of old old bees IOW) and IF this is your lone hive or one of two or three THEN it might be worth the risk of the $15-30 it will cost you for a mated queen IF you can get your hands on one at this late date up in Ontario. Do you even have a queen source available this late??? Oh wait - did Kona (Hawaii - Gus Rouse) get special permission to send queens to Canada? anybody know?? IF you have more hives than 1, 2 or 3 then IMO don't waste your money - take your losses in the Fall as per right now and make them up in the Spring. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Oct 1998 13:59:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <715bbv$nn8$1@grind.server.pavilion.net> Message-ID: <19981028085912.24796.00000390@ng151.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14814 Dunno about bee venom and gout But I do know that gout responds well to the 8 is great rule of 8 glasses of water a day. Old timey Drs used to reccomend this. Article 14815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: entrance reducer? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:21:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <716d4v$39a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01be01d8$7a1df560$cb62400c@default> <715i9b$rde$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36366A31.4DB8@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 28 06:21:19 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.180 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14815 Talking about queen excluders... > > However the purchased wire ones are more durable & cheap. Buy a metal bound > > one, not the wood bound one. > Why not wood bound? Just curious. They are not as durable and they usually add spaces above and below that can inhibit bee movement. The excluder works best when in actual contact with the frames above & below it. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queen in November??? Date: 28 Oct 1998 18:08:19 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01be029e$0d34b940$df62400c@default> References: <01be01da$555848a0$cb62400c@default> <36362E77.1E0F@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.223 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14816 Yes you did miss something. The part of the post you snipped that explained the procedure of combining said nothing about keeping the laying worker or her brood. Rather, you are only interested in the workers. Please re-read the post. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail AL wrote in article <36362E77.1E0F@midwest.net>... > George Styer wrote: > > > > > I would combine the laying worker hive with another hive that could use a > > boost in population going into the winter. But beware that it is not as > > simple as putting it on top of another colony with newspaper in between. > > > > > > > Am I missing something here? What value is a laying worker unless you're > particularly fond of drones? And why would you want to populate your > hive with drones going into the winter? > > > AL > Article 14817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Traps Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:27:15 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3634E933.21F8@earthlink.net> References: <19981026061830.03420.00000708@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust12.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Dr Wawman X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 26 13:29:50 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14817 Dr Wawman wrote: > > A fellow beekeeper (really!) has problems with an aggressive hive and is > looking for some sort of Drone trap to stop the drones 'spreading their seed' > to neighbouring colonies. > > Has anyone any experience with methods of stopping drones escaping from a hive, > plans of a drone trap, or know where I could get further information. > > Thanks in advance. The best way is to requeen the hive. But short time fix would be to order what you want from Kelley's. Tele 1-800-233-2899. Item number 279. Don Article 14818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: "S NEWPORT" <@pavilion.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: British National Plans Wanted Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:53:25 -0000 Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7181mg$seh$1@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna2-6.dialup.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 909609488 29137 194.242.139.70 (28 Oct 1998 21:18:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 1998 21:18:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14818 Does anyone have the plans for making a national hive ? Article 14819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Totoro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:22:22 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 20 Message-ID: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.218.19 X-Trace: 909626835 NMKDWAWQTDA13CE60C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14819 I would love to find out about bee keepers personal favorites and what they use them for. Here is my own list of favorites: Tupelo for any time I'm in the mood for tupelo honey. Sourwood for peanut butter sandwiches. Wild Rose for bread and butter sandwiches. Clover for tea. Water Lily for flavoring mead. Thanks, Bob Article 14820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:26:05 -0800 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp247.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14820 Totoro wrote: > > I would love to find out about bee keepers personal favorites and what they > use them for. Yo Bob: My personal favorite type of honey is our own "Yuppie Honey." It is a blend of clover and herbs (from our garden/nursery.) It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie Honey to help pay the bills. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3637D6F0.2301@mcia.com> From: eyoll@mcia.com Reply-To: eyoll@mcia.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: info search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:46:08 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.90.198.49 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 909628965 207.90.198.49 (Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:42:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:42:45 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14821 Hello, I'm having trouble finding basic information on the internet about bees. I'm looking for the simplest kind of educational information, since I don't know anything about bees. Does anyone know any good URLs for this kind of information, or have a recommendation of books to look for in the library? Thanks. Mara mara@mcia.com Article 14822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:52:00 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Message-ID: <3637D850.5060@midwest.net> References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909629670 .ZFUVYH4M1C25D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14822 J. F Hensler wrote: > > Totoro wrote: > > > > I would love to find out about bee keepers personal favorites and what they > > use them for. > > Yo Bob: > > My personal favorite type of honey is our own "Yuppie Honey." It is a > blend of clover and herbs (from our garden/nursery.) > > It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie > Honey to help pay the bills. :-) > > Skip > > -- > Skip and Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, Wash. > http://www.povn.com/rock So do you ship your "yuppie honey" or just 'stick' to local sales? AL Article 14823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: entrance reducer? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:49:53 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 15 Message-ID: <36366A31.4DB8@midwest.net> References: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01be01d8$7a1df560$cb62400c@default> <715i9b$rde$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909535985 .ZFUVYH4M1C19D0EBC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14823 allend@internode.net wrote: > > However the purchased wire ones are more durable & cheap. Buy a metal bound > one, not the wood bound one. > > Allen Why not wood bound? Just curious. AL Article 14824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Oct 1998 03:02:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3637D850.5060@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981028220227.12248.00000730@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14824 dark fall wildflower from clethera bloom till frost Article 14825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:45:36 -0800 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3637E4E0.5968@povn.com> References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> <3637D850.5060@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp247.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14825 AL wrote: > > J. F Hensler wrote: > > > > Totoro wrote: > > > > > > I would love to find out about bee keepers personal favorites and what they > > > use them for. > > > > Yo Bob: > > > > My personal favorite type of honey is our own "Yuppie Honey." It is a > > blend of clover and herbs (from our garden/nursery.) > > > > It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie > > Honey to help pay the bills. :-) > > > > Skip Al then 'tackily" replied: :-) > So do you ship your "yuppie honey" or just 'stick' to local sales? > > AL Yo Al: You pay the postage, I'll ship anything I've got, anywhere... :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Totoro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Blue honey Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:59:25 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 12 Message-ID: <718loq$j9h$1@supernews.com> References: <363683AF.310D@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.166.236.233 X-Trace: 909630042 NMKDWAWQTECE9D0A6C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14826 Yes please I would love some. Please give me more info and the price. What flower does it come from? Is it really blue? How does it taste? Is it a spring or fall honey? workerbee wrote in message <363683AF.310D@earthlink.net>... >I have a limited supply of Eastern North Carolina Blue Honey for sale in >12oz squeeze bottles for anyone interested in seeing or tasting it. >Please contact me at my email address for details. I am not in business >and this offer is for those who might not have ever seen it. > >Don Article 14827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: info search Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:33:18 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3637F00D.F4F7B307@Birkey.com> References: <3637D6F0.2301@mcia.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: eyoll@mcia.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14827 eyoll@mcia.com wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm having trouble finding basic information on the internet about > bees. I'm looking for the simplest kind of educational information, > since I don't know anything about bees. Does anyone know any good URLs > for this kind of information, or have a recommendation of books to look > for in the library? Thanks. You might try starting with these URL's http://www.ianr.unl.edu/PUBS/insects/g1104.htm http://www.ent.msu.edu/bplus/ http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu:80/txt/fairs/31535 -- Barry Birkey Illinios, USA -------------------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 14828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.100.164.226!news.presys.com!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail From: "Oldfield Family" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:01:30 -0500 Organization: PDN/Chatlink Lines: 5 Message-ID: <718lpb$903$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <715bbv$nn8$1@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: naiad.ts1-dvrf.kynd.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14828 only know of use for treatment of multiple Sclerosis have not heard of use in arthritis although might be some benefit in rheumatoid conditions Article 14829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:39:42 -0600 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3637F18E.3DE3@midwest.net> References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> <3637D850.5060@midwest.net> <3637E4E0.5968@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909636139 .ZFUVYH4M1C25D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14829 J. F Hensler wrote: > > AL wrote: > > > > J. F Hensler wrote: > > > > > > Totoro wrote: > > > > > > > > I would love to find out about bee keepers personal favorites and what they > > > > use them for. > > > > > > Yo Bob: > > > > > > My personal favorite type of honey is our own "Yuppie Honey." It is a > > > blend of clover and herbs (from our garden/nursery.) > > > > > > It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie > > > Honey to help pay the bills. :-) > > > > > > Skip > > Al then 'tackily" replied: :-) > > > So do you ship your "yuppie honey" or just 'stick' to local sales? > > > > AL > > Yo Al: > > You pay the postage, I'll ship anything I've got, anywhere... :-) > > Skip Do you want to talk price here in the group or back in the mailroom? AL Article 14830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: entrance reducer? Date: 29 Oct 1998 17:10:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <71a7ir$82h@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <714vn9$vbh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01be01d8$7a1df560$cb62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.19.233 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14830 My mentor in beekeeping uses #4 hardware cloth (roughly 1/4" openings) to fabricate "mouse guards" for his hives in the winter, to keep mice & skunks from messing with the hives when colder weather prevented the bees from defending the hive more aggessively. The hardware cloth did not really impede air flow much, and he says that entrance reducers that restrict air flow can keep moisture in the hive that can cause the lower bits of comb to get moldy. Yet I also read that the bees really strive to maintain a constant temperature around the cluster. So my compromise is to install the mouse guards, but to run a strip of duct tape around both sides of the top part of the screen, so that only the bottom edge of the screen is open, which would include those sections where I have trimmed the screen to allow the bees easy passage. Because the tape goes around both sides, it sticks to itself through the openings in the mesh. A few staples from a staple gun attach it, and the hive tool pulls it off in the spring. The staples will provide enough of a grip to keep it on, and if any skunks try to pry it off I'm hoping that they won't succeed, but the screen may look as though it's been tampered with. I also prop up the telescoping cover a bit on the side away from the entrance (the higher side) to induce the runoff from any condensation to run down the outside of the hive. /C.Crowell Article 14831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:21:28 -0800 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3638CE47.AAC71F97@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 228.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14831 I just found a site advertising a power hive ventilator for bees...sounds a little odd, but after I read the bee research info, hmmm... Has anyone out there actually tried one of these devices, and could offer an experienced opinion as to effect on hive health and honey production? Thanks for any help. I'm not sure I can see the $120 per hive cost, but it's interesting. Tom Monroe, WA Article 14832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:24:33 -0800 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3638CF01.A1A1880D@bigfoot.com> References: <3638CE47.AAC71F97@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 228.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BD096831F3FB214FC123949C" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14832 --------------BD096831F3FB214FC123949C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, forgot to insert the URL! It's BeeCool at http://www.beecool.com/ Tom S. Monroe, WA Tom Singleton wrote: > I just found a site advertising a power hive ventilator for > bees...sounds a little odd, but after I read the bee research info, > hmmm... > > Has anyone out there actually tried one of these devices, and could > offer an experienced opinion as to effect on hive health and honey > production? > > Thanks for any help. I'm not sure I can see the $120 per hive cost, but > it's interesting. > > Tom > Monroe, WA --------------BD096831F3FB214FC123949C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, forgot to insert the URL!  It's  BeeCool at http://www.beecool.com/

Tom S.
Monroe, WA

Tom Singleton wrote:

I just found a site advertising a power hive ventilator for
bees...sounds a little odd, but after I read the bee research info,
hmmm...

Has anyone out there actually tried one of these devices, and could
offer an experienced opinion as to effect on hive health and honey
production?

Thanks for any help.  I'm not sure I can see the $120 per hive cost, but
it's interesting.

Tom
Monroe, WA

--------------BD096831F3FB214FC123949C-- Article 14833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: British National Plans Wanted Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:29:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1bCmpMA4+FO2EwH8@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <7181mg$seh$1@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 909692498 nnrp-01:2857 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <1y48JS0fIy4cQ+LRIqfUfo2oFG> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14833 In article <7181mg$seh$1@grind.server.pavilion.net>, S NEWPORT writes >Does anyone have the plans for making a national hive ? > >Yes thanks. But as you don't give your address, I'll have to keep 'em -- Tom S Article 14834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:29:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 909692499 nnrp-01:2857 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <1y48JS0fIy4cQ+LRIqfUfo2oFG> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14834 In article <3637D23D.231B@povn.com>, J. F Hensler writes >It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie >Honey to help pay the bills. :-) I thought 'yuppies' had jobs that paid so much they didn't need to worry about bills :( -- Tom S Article 14835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:45:39 -0800 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 34 Message-ID: <36391A43.448F@kingston.net> References: <3638CE47.AAC71F97@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909697293 VRL06/YYI348ECDD2C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14835 Tom Singleton wrote: > > I just found a site advertising a power hive ventilator for > bees...sounds a little odd, but after I read the bee research info, > hmmm... > > Has anyone out there actually tried one of these devices, and could > offer an experienced opinion as to effect on hive health and honey > production? > > Thanks for any help. I'm not sure I can see the $120 per hive cost, but > it's interesting. > > Tom > Monroe, WA Hi Tom, I believe firmly in proper ventilation for the hives. However, instead of buying a fan I simply built a super and cut 4 holes out( 1 in each side 1.5" diameter)and placed it on top of the innercover, which has three holes in it spaced appropriatly of the same diameter, all are cover with 1/4" hardware cloth. This seemes to provide adaquate ventilation as there are fewer bees fanning and clustering on the hives with it then there are without. Mind you I didn't wait for very long until I made them for all my hives but the reaction was the same once they were installed there was a reduction in fanning and bees clustering. To speculate on honey production I think would be difficult as there are many variables between hives that would also have to be taken into account Tom. I have read claimes of 33% increase in production but I will be interested to see responses to your question. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Oct 1998 22:11:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36391A43.448F@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19981029171151.13535.00001004@ng107.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14836 Want to increase honey production? For 120 bucks buy some young queens and some sugar. Article 14837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.20.7!brnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36391122.5562F12@mediaone.net> From: Kathy Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net Organization: Red Maple Farm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? References: <3638CE47.AAC71F97@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:06:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.64.45 X-Trace: brnws01.ne.mediaone.net 909709716 24.128.64.45 (Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:08:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:08:36 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14837 Tom Singleton asked about the bee cool hive ventilator: Hi Tom, You're asking about the bee-cool hive ventilator reminds me of the EAS meeting a couple years ago where the bee-cool hive ventilator was being demonstrated and sold right near the bee cozy hive wrap (a dark nylon wrap with claims for control of one or both of the mites, I forget which). Both products' literature respectively quoted studies whose conclusions were "ventilation is good" and "warmer hive temperatures = less mites". It was quite amusing to watch these two, with their products that effectively cancelled each other out, trying to sell them to the beekeepers. That week made me think of the numerous gadgets beekeepers used to create that I've read about in the 50 years ago, 75 years ago, etc. column of ABJ... few of which are in use now. I wonder what it is that makes beekeepers want to invent these gadgets? What makes them seem so alluring? Does this love of gadgetry indicate the eternal quest for an "effortless honey crop"? And what about this bee cool? As Kent wrote, ventilation needs can be provided for quite simply. Is it that it's motorized? (how does the toolman go "Rrr Rrr Rrrhh Rrrh"?) Kathy thinking that if the bee cool used a 5hp Briggs & Stratton, it might be worth the $120 bucks to fire that baby up and have it lift off my honey supers for me (Rrr Rrr Rrrhh Rrrh) Article 14838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apple Flavored Honey Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:36:35 -0500 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3638C3C3.32A6E908@pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: toftrees.upj.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14838 A few years ago, I extracted a super of light honey that had an apple-like flavor to it. I got one this year as well. I know it's not from apple blossom nectar, since it was from the mid to late summer/early fall flow. And it's not from robbing out some other colony, since the cold/wet weather at fruit bloom time this spring precluded much foraging. I'm curious to know if anyone has an idea what might be blooming in west-central Pennsylvania at that time of year that would have that flavor. Article 14839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pictures at Eleven Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:56:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 8 Message-ID: <714qfl$n4u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 27 15:56:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14839 http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Pix Not much text, but quite a few beekeeping related pictures, including Forklifts, Wraps, Pillow making, etc. 2 minutes to load at 28.8 Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Hummingbird Farm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees at Hummingbird Farm Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:58:44 -0800 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.91 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.91 Message-ID: <36393a42.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 29 Oct 1998 23:02:10 -0500, 208.232.50.91 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.91 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14841 http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/hbfarm Visit our site and click on [Honeybees] Nice site and good links for hobby & newbie beekeepers see you there...Allan Article 14842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apple Flavored Honey Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Oct 1998 11:36:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3638C3C3.32A6E908@pitt.edu> Message-ID: <19981030063636.14791.00001227@ng148.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14842 >A few years ago, I extracted a super of light honey that had an >apple-like flavor to it. I got one this year as well. I know it's not >from apple blossom nectar, since it was from the mid to late >summer/early fall flow. And it's not from robbing out some other colony, >since the cold/wet weather at fruit bloom time this spring precluded >much foraging. I'm curious to know if anyone has an idea what might be >blooming in west-central Pennsylvania at that time of year that would >have that flavor. > check around for someone processing apples into cider, the bees love to find a gold mine like that and that would explain the flavor. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are your favorite types of Honey? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:27:51 -0800 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3638DDD7.F95@povn.com> References: <718ikj$1o2$1@supernews.com> <3637D23D.231B@povn.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp235.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14843 Tom Speight wrote: > > In article <3637D23D.231B@povn.com>, J. F Hensler > writes > >It is my favorite because I use the proceeds from the sale of Yuppie > >Honey to help pay the bills. :-) Tom replied: > I thought 'yuppies' had jobs that paid so much they didn't need to worry > about bills :( > -- > Tom S Yo Tom: No, no, no, you've got it all backward. The yuppies buy the honey. I'm just a poor old sheep farmer. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EXPIRED LINK- BEENEWS is not all bad? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:06:03 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3639e3a9.2147970@news.jps.net> References: <36389f70.29298757@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 Lines: 66 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14844 On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:08:02 GMT, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 10.29.98 From a victim of last months bee attack in >BisBEE after 500 stings a voice of reason is heard "Don't kill the >bees" Hi Bee Keeping Friends, In posting links to newspapers I find some of them expire within a day or two. I do try to archive some of the material but I can't do all of it. With the article "DON'T KILL THE BEES" I did save a text copy because of the information about the home remedies for bee stings and the nature of the post. Anyone who knows anything about the home remedies please post the information for all. Twenty four cents seems like a reasonable cost for relief of the pains and swelling of bee stings. (Don't substitute this for what ever your Doctor has prescribed.) Here is the total article for those who could not find it, its also back on line at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm ARIZONA DAILY STAR Thursday, 29 October 1998 Don't kill the bees I'm writing in response to a recent letter about killing all the bees in Arizona (``Kill the killer bees'' - Oct. 18). A couple of months ago, a picture of my bee-stung eyes and nose made the front page of your newspaper. I'd received several hundred stings (final estimate, 400-500) during a mass attack in Bisbee. While this was an adventure I'd rather not repeat, I very much oppose the wholesale destruction of bees. And so should anyone who likes to eat. We need those bees to foster our food supply. With the Africanization of all local bees, we need domesticated hives, too. The beekeepers periodically replace aggressive queens with docile ones, and thereby reduce the aggressiveness of the bee population as a whole. The most aggressive hives will eventually be destroyed, and someday we'll learn to be more cautious around those that remain. In the meantime, folks might keep the homeopathic remedies Apis Mellifica (for allergic reactions and bee stings) and Ledum Palustre (for painful stings and bites) on hand. In August, I used 24 cents worth of those remedies to be out of pain and out of the hospital within four hours of the attack. My vital signs were normal by then, and many stinger welts had already disappeared. ``Killer'' bee attacks are a man-made problem, and should serve as a reminder that we do not know better than God how the natural world should be. Massive destruction of the Creator's handiwork will eventually lead to our own demise, as we, and now Africanized bees, are no less a part of the natural world than any other creature. So I beg you, all citizens and governing bodies in Arizona, please don't let my experience with the bees override your common sense. Think ahead, for the sake of us all, and try to imagine what future problems we might create with a temporarily satisfying solution. Debrah Strait Bisbee (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:46:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 43 Message-ID: <71dc40$r46$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <36391A43.448F@kingston.net> <19981029171151.13535.00001004@ng107.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 30 21:46:40 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14845 In article <19981029171151.13535.00001004@ng107.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Want to increase honey production? > For 120 bucks buy some young queens and some sugar. > To expound on the above IMO excellent suggestion: Get those young queens in your hives 6-8 weeks before your expected honeyflow. And as to the sugar - if there ain't an adequate build-up flow then feed them syrup (and pollen as well if needed) to insure you hit peak population just in time for the flow. Get rid of all the syrup PRIOR to supering up for the flow. "Fill a box with bees and they will fill it with honey." as the late O.B. Wiser would say. Adding an extra $120/colony in startup costs is IMO NOT even close to practical for commercial beekeepers from an economic standpoint therefore why bother with it - then think of repair costs (parts and LABOR) - I suspect the racoons and the mice would have a ball tinkering with (chewing on) the wires. From a scientific standpoint recall that REPLICATION of any study is ESSENTIAL to establish a high probability of accuracy. Non-replicated studies may be so because they ain't replicable - as per the study design was perhaps faulty - OR the conclusion reached was due to some uncontrolled variable the scientist FAILED to consider - or because interest in the area of the study is low and thus lack of funding does not allow nor neccesitate replication. Good bee studies often use multi-year replication within them - BUT even then having a study replicated by another researcher is quite important to assurance of accuracy - as per "what if local conditions at the test site account for the results and the same thing done elsewhere don't work". -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Power Ventilators for Bees??? Date: 30 Oct 1998 22:36:58 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01be0455$e8af81e0$6e62400c@default> References: <36391A43.448F@kingston.net> <19981029171151.13535.00001004@ng107.aol.com> <71dc40$r46$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.110 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14846 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <71dc40$r46$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > From a scientific standpoint recall that REPLICATION of any study is > ESSENTIAL to establish a high probability of accuracy. Non-replicated > studies may be so because they ain't replicable - as per the study design was > perhaps faulty - OR the conclusion reached was due to some uncontrolled > variable the scientist FAILED to consider - or because interest in the area > of the study is low and thus lack of funding does not allow nor neccesitate > replication. Or there just are not enough old men willing to be shot into space ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 14847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blue honey Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:51:06 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust97.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net X-ELN-Date: Fri Oct 30 14:55:06 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Message-ID: <363A42DA.1D06@earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14847 Sorry to have to send a message thiw way but I have a problem contacting someone. Please excuse. Bob Strawn please hit reply to sender. Thanks Don