Article 9543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Gatorgold@pdq.net (Len & Lisa Davis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help? Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:14:58 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <340e34d8.5679523@news.pdq.net> Reply-To: Gatorgold@pdq.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 18714@206.24.83.165 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9543 Looking to help any beekeeper in the Houston area to learn beekeeping. Not looking for pay, just want to help out as much as I can and learn how to keep bees. I have read lots of books but want some hands on before I keep my own bees. Looking forward to hearing from someone. Article 9544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Gatorgold@pdq.net (Len & Lisa Davis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Free Help? Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:19:03 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <340e36a9.6144335@news.pdq.net> Reply-To: Gatorgold@pdq.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 18714@206.24.83.165 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9544 Looking to help any beekeeper in the Houston area to learn beekeeping. Not looking for pay, just want to help out as much as I can and learn how to keep bees. I have read lots of books but want some hands on before I keep my own bees. Looking forward to hearing from someone. Article 9545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: 4 Sep 1997 04:16:04 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5ulcm4$bfo$1@barad-dur.nas.com> References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d40.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.79.239.13!news.ior.com!cnn.isc-br.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9545 In article <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) says: > >I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions >for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen >supers? thanks Last year my wife and I rented a hand cranked extractor and hot knife for one day for $15 and did it in the kitchen. No regrets. John Article 9546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 06:55:49 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9546 In article <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. One handy way is to simply swop their positions ! -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees moved or died Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:43:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 21 Message-ID: <340E66BD.66AD@nt.com> References: <873221108.1321@dejanews.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9547 etsandy@ghg.net wrote: > > I had a bee hive for only a few months. I came back from vacation and > found them gone. Not sure if they died or just moved on. I was using the > bees for bee venon therapy. I have MS. I bought a bee hive from a bee > keeper in the area (Houston TX). The bee keeper has lost several hives to > mites. They were in a wooden inclosure. My sprinkler system was hitting > them every morning. I might have gotten them too wet. I need to know > what the problem was before getting another hive. Any suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. Sandy (etsandy@ghg.net) > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I had 2 hives abscond last year and put this down to late treatment of varroa. Did you monitor and/or treat your hive for varroa? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.kanren.net!usenet From: Cheryl Alvarado Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:45:30 -0500 Organization: Emporia State University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> Reply-To: alvaradc@vmpop.emporia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cats1765mt.emporia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9548 I just peeked inside my hive, and noticed that wax moths have apparently taken over. There are cocoons along the top and bottom bars of the frames, and wax moth larvae actively gnawing at the wax. Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had to hive them in below-freezing, windy weather and lost quite a few. They just haven't taken off like I hoped they would. (my first hive) What should I do about the wax moths? The only thing I can think of is to scrape and pick them off the frames. Article 9549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer, Jr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:43:18 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5umvfa$91d@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.188.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9549 Cheryl Alvarado wrote: > > I just peeked inside my hive, and noticed that wax moths have apparently > taken over. There are cocoons along the top and bottom bars of the > frames, and wax moth larvae actively gnawing at the wax. > > Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they > were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It > was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had > to hive them in below-freezing, windy weather and lost quite a few. > They just haven't taken off like I hoped they would. (my first hive) > > What should I do about the wax moths? The only thing I can think of is > to scrape and pick them off the frames. Wax moths are very opportunistic. Typically they are kept in check by a strong colony. A weak colony cannot defend against this pest. The first step is to reduce the hive capacity that your bees have to defend. If you have supers, remove them. If your brood area is 2 deeps, reduce it to 1 (it is unlikely that both of the deeps will have brood in a weak colony, the bottom one will likely be empty). Tape up any ventilation holes you may have and unless a large entrance is needed because of late summer heat, reduce it. Finally, clean up what you can by picking off the cocoons and larvae. You will have to do this often to break the reproductive cycle of the moth. The bottom board is a favorite hangout for young larvae that have just hatched. If you have been watching around your hive you have probably seen the little gray moths settled on the outside of your hive. These are adults that have just emerged from your hive. Get them before depart for mating because the females will return to lay her eggs. Anything you removed in the way of frames can go into the freezer for several days. Don't despair. Wax moths are very rapid in their destruction. Last year on lost 7 of 18 brood frames in my hive to wax moth damage in the matter of days. This hive came back this year stronger than it has ever been and I have not seen any evidence of wax moths. Article 9550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 19:04:28 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <873399868snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9550 In article <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> alvaradc@vmpop.emporia.edu "Cheryl Alvarado" writes: > Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they > were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It > was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had Hmmmmm, something wrong here. Have you checked for a laying queen ? Have you tested for various diseases ? I'd be highly suspicious. A colony that can't even clean up wax moth has to have something wrong. You might need to petrol them and start again :-( -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.232.147.119!news.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail From: RICK SUK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: silkworms Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:21:42 -0700 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <340F2666.5568@clorox.com> References: <01bcb84d.593b91c0$25e737cb@mbeeson> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-12.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [e]C (Win95; U) To: Bullcreek Amcal Chemist Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9551 Bullcreek Amcal Chemist wrote: > > Hi, > you guys appear the only ones able to lead me on the path to find new food > for my kids silkworms.Toby ,Matts and Jay have a gaggle of them and the > mulberry trees are very scarce at the moment in Fremantle,West Australia. > Where can I find info on what to feed the little fellows-any help much > appreciated > Yours > Mark - for Toby,Matt,Jay. I'd be surprised if you get much from beekeepers about silkworms. You might try: sci.bio.entomology.misc Article 9552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jcmurray@mindspring.com (Jonathan C. Murray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cool Website Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:34:02 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5undet$43l@camel2.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jcmurray@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbu48.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 4 Sep 1997 22:41:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9552 Please take the time to look at my web page. http://www.mindspring.com/~jcmurray/Honeybee.htm Article 9553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Mites, Wasps, Hornets Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9709041759242546@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9553 *Passed on from the BEE-List very interesting to all...If you have similar observations please post them here and send them to Dr. Jerry. ---------------------------------------- From: Jerry J Bromenshenk To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:59:50 -0600 Subject: Varroa Mites, Wasps, Hornets We seem to be having a bumper crop of Vespids in Montana, probably as a result of the 100 inches of snow that insulated the ground and kept it from freezing last year, followed by a moist spring with lots of growth and lots of insects. We also seem to be having a more or less varroa free year in Missoula, Montana. We intentionally keep some varroa infested hives for our research, but no sign of the beasts. Nor have we seen any in our hives in Maryland. Lots of Bee List folks are reporting no mites - but we thought the same about tracheal mites a few years ago and then found that we were wrong. I'd be interested in reports of areas where varroa has been a problem this year. Are the successes of the various treatments due to the treatment or just an artifact of a natural cycling in the varroa populations. For those of you trying variuos treatments, are you seeing mites in your untreated controls? Thanks Jerry Bromenshenk --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 9554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Barb Hyde Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and africanized bees Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:36:03 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: b&bhedy@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tul-ok7-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 8:47:53 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9554 Just a curious question: Do the varroa mites and the tracheal mites also attack African or africanized bees? Or are they able to resist? Article 9555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and africanized bees Date: 5 Sep 1997 01:55:45 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bcb99e$c6d43aa0$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 8:55:45 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9555 Barb Hyde wrote in article <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com>... | Just a curious question: Do the varroa mites and the tracheal mites also | attack African or africanized bees? Or are they able to resist? Varroa mites do attack AHB. AHB is reputed to display some resistance. However environmental influences lowering mite fecundity in tropical climates likely accounts for most of the alleged resistance in those tropical climes. As to tracheal mites someone else will have to answer that one. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Help on collecting a Swarm Message-ID: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:01:07 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9556 Hello: Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot every year. I already have one small colony on the property. P.S can I vacumm them as they fly in to the panel ? , buy a queen ?, I do have a 10 frame super, with drawn comb ? I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, I hate to see them die off, any help on collecting them would be great. And the process to make a Colony out of them ? Thank You. BobK, in West Chester, Pa Article 9557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: 5 Sep 1997 02:11:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 54 Message-ID: <01bcb9a0$eb52a860$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 9:11:04 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9557 joe mc cool wrote in article <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>... | In article <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: | | > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. | > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. | > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. | | One handy way is to simply swap their positions ! Swapping positions of weak and strong colonies will indeed give you an instant boost in number of foragers in the weaker unit. If the queen is the problem it will not be long before the problem recurs however. If a disease is the problem the foragers from the weak hive that now have gone into the strong hive (on the weak hives previous location) may well set that colony up with the disease as well. So first check for disease. If none is present then the swap could be made. If you cannot kill the queen for religious reasons perhaps you could just remove her to a fine grassy knoll several miles distant and let Nature do what she will with her. If that too is a non-option then I would suggest an attempt at "forced supersedure" - that is planting a ripe queen cell or two in cell protectors in the weak colony DURING a flow (hopefully a real one - if not create your own artificial one via feeding temporarily). Results vary but with older queens forced supersedure during a flow can yield 60-80% getting requeened simply by dropping in a protected queen cell during a flow. I don't know where the original poster lives but up here it would IMO be considered "too late" to save a seriously weakened colony (it is early Sept and last night the temps where in the low 40's). Instead any we find like that get combined with stronger units (after insuring disease was not the cause of the weakness). "Take your losses in the Fall" remains good advice. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Lost my Posted message Message-ID: <01bcb9ce$2d417f80$a7952399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:34:03 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9558 Does anyone know why I lost my posted message ? Thanks Article 9559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Help Message-ID: <01bcb9cf$78239d20$a7952399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:43:18 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9559 Why did I lose my posted Messsage Thanks Article 9561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!d2-u9.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:47:46 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d2-u9.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9561 A while ago this seemed to be a no-no - syrup was the only way to go. What is the current thinking on this? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 9562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almost new honey extractor for sale Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 08:42:10 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <17BDF7A62S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9562 I'm posting this for a friend who has no electronic access. If interested, E-Mail to me your name and phone number and I will pass it on. 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Article 9563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!paperboy01.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 5 Sep 1997 12:09:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 90 Message-ID: <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-53.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 05 5:09:25 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9563 user@msn.com wrote in article <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default>... | Hello: | Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, the process has been posted here very recently - might wanna check the archives or even run a search at http://dejanews.com | I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot | every year. honeybees stay year round - so if I understood your implication you were misinformed - one of them urban legends I suspect I already have one small colony on the property. P.S can I | vacumm them as they fly in to the panel ? if you vacumm them through a corrugated vacuum hose they will die >, buy a queen ?, the queen needs at least 2 or 3 lbs. of workers as "support staff" EARLY in the Spring to have a decent shot at it - packages of bees with a mated queen are sold by MANY southern beekeepers - check the ads in "American Bee Journal" or "Bee Culture" which you can likely find at least on microfilm via your public library system - or ask a local beekeeper I do have a 10 | frame super, with drawn comb ? | | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at success at this late date are not worth it I hate to see | them die off, any help on collecting them would be great. Nature ruthlessly eliminates the unfit - sometimes we are not doing them nor ourselves any favors by saving them (though sometimes it is a good plan - knowing the difference is the tricky part) | And the process to make a Colony out of them ? They are a colony already. A parting thought - what color are they? Did you just notice them or have they been there since Spring? Why? this time of year nearly every "we have bees in our siding - what do we do?" query we recieve here is wasps not any type of bee at all. And yep the folks often tell us "I'm sure they are honeybees" sometimes even folks that have a yard of our bees tell us "they look just like your bees" and then when we look at 'em it is quite obvious they are bright yellow and bright black - some sort of vespid not a bee at all. Wasps are reaching peak population and simultaneously running short of food now so they become LOTS more obvious in the late Summer/early Fall. Honeybees normally swarm mid-Spring to very early Summer and would have been more likely to have been noticed months ago rather than now. So what color are the critters and can you see them as fuzzy (dull colors) or bald appearing (bright colors) to the naked eye? That would be a good starting point IMO. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:19:44 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 17 Message-ID: <340FC0A0.5EBC@nt.com> References: <01bcb83d$59151140$f9a72299@default> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9564 Ronald Schimes wrote: > > Hoping someone can help, I have a bee hive that has large ants in it. > I'm sure their eating a lot of the honey, how do I get rid of them? > > Thanks, > Ron Schimes > jukeman@msn.com Put the hive on a stand whose legs are inside something containg oil, old car engine oil is OK but messy. Used vegetable/pet food cans are suitable containers. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:25:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <340FC215.3FF9@nt.com> References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ulcm4$bfo$1@barad-dur.nas.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9565 John or Sonja Hoxeng wrote: > > In article <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) says: > > > >I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions > >for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen > >supers? thanks > > Last year my wife and I rented a hand cranked extractor and hot > knife for one day for $15 and did it in the kitchen. No regrets. > John Last night I extracted the last of my 1997 honey with 92 Lbs from 3 hives, no idea what the nectar source is but it contains brambles, clover, possibly peas and garden flowers from Totnes and Berry Pomeroy in Devon. Earlier in the year I took 127 Lbs of honey from Oil Seed Rape. The reduction in number of producing hives is that one swarmed and took a while to come back up to strength. This makes 1997 my best year for honey production since starting beekeeping in 1992. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: 5 Sep 1997 14:29:21 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5up501$vo5$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> <17BD87638S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <33077C28.2974@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9566 I have been keeping bees for seven years now and for the past three regularly (on weekends) take between 5 and 15 stings in the course of a day. I have noticed that if I get into a nasty situation and take 15 to 20 stings in short succession, I will within a few hours experience marked subcuatenous (sp?) itching for about two hours. It's maddening and most intense around the scalp and other areas with hair (!). It hasn't gotten any worse, and indeed seems to require more stings to set it off as time goes on. - Just my two sense. Article 9567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 5 Sep 1997 15:55:25 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9567 : if you vacumm them through a corrugated vacuum hose they will : die It depends on how corrugated the tube is and how strong the vaccuum is... I have been using a home-built bee-vac (complete with custom hinging cages as receptacles) for 4 years now and do not experience significant bee mortality. I use regular "shop vac" hose but build the bee vac with air inlet valves that let me knock the suction down to a minimal level. : the queen needs at least 2 or 3 lbs. of workers as "support : staff" EARLY in the Spring to have a decent shot at it - : packages of bees with a mated queen are sold by MANY southern : beekeepers - check the ads in "American Bee Journal" or "Bee : Culture" which you can likely find at least on microfilm via : your public library system - or ask a local beekeeper : I do have a 10 : | frame super, with drawn comb ? : | : | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, : IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only : that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at : success at this late date are not worth it I maintain hives in the same area and have to agree with Jack, though you might pull it off with very heavy feeding if you actually capture most of the hive and the accompanying queen is in good shape. It may be worth it however in that these bees may have some varroa resistance (Jack (the previous poster) would know more about possible resistance mechanisms as a result of his honeybee improvement program). Do they actually have to be removed this year? E-mail me and let me know what you decide to do. I might be able to swing by one of these weekends and give you a hand. -Dave T. Article 9568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!peach3.demon.co.uk!mart From: Martin Greaves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Academic question Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:31:08 +0100 Organization: 3 Peach Animation Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: peach3.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: peach3.demon.co.uk [158.152.124.220] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9568 Hi all, from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... I don't keep bees and am very unlikely to, but love honey and am interested in its health possibilities, particularly in regard to immune system benefits of locally gathered honey. If anyone has any experience, anecdotes or opinions I would be pleased to hear them either here or via email. As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? Thanks in advance for your comments. Mart. -- Martin Greaves Article 9569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:41:33 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 73 Message-ID: <3410A6BD.301C075B@valley.net> References: <01bcb83d$59151140$f9a72299@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9569 Ronald Schimes wrote: > Hoping someone can help, I have a bee hive that has large ants in it. > I'm sure their eating a lot of the honey, how do I get rid of them? > > Thanks, > Ron Schimes > jukeman@msn.com greetings, first, are you sure they are actually getting inside the main part of the hive and onto the comb? i've had an ant colony living immediately behind my hive all season, and they have not been a problem inside the hive. in fact, they have been beneficial in their own way, as they haul away a good percentage of the dead bees that end up in the 'bee graveyard' just to the right of the landing platform under one of the marigolds that are growing around the base of the hive. i occasionally find them in the vent box on top of the hive, but have never seen them actually in the hive itself. my bees are very good housekeepers and defenders; any ant [or wasp, yellow jacket, bumble bee or fly] that gets onto the landing platform is almost immediately chased off by a guard bee. even if you see some ants inside the hive, they may not be 'inside' the hive, if you find them on the outside of the frames, sort of on the handles that you use to lift the frames. i don't know if all bees do this, but mine seal off the frames with propolis along the frame separators, a fact i learned the hard way, when i accidentally left bees on the outside of the frames. couldn't understand why i always found dead bees there, until i made the connection between the heavy layer of propolis and the ex-bees. now, i shoose them back inside the hive proper, before i replace boxes and lids. anyway, if you can determine that they are not getting to the honey, then you might adopt a live-and-let-live philosophy. as an integral part of the ecosystem, the ants are probably doing their part to recycle your deceased bees. if they really are getting to the honey, then an alternative to the 'oil moat around the legs' approach would be to place one or two Combat ant bait traps behind the hive. the ants will find them, bring the poisoned bait back to the colony where it will kill the queen and other ants, and in a couple of weeks they will be gone. you can cover the traps with some screening, if you are concerned about the bees possibly getting into them. [the bait is sugar based, but the openings are pretty small.] also, if they are exposed to the elements, put a little cardboard lean-to over them to protect them from the rain for a couple of weeks. there is always the possibility that the ants could track some of the poison into the hive, but, unless they are actually living inside the hive, they will most likely take it directly back to their nest, as they are foraging for food, just like your bees. finally, if the ants are really getting into the honey, then maybe you should assess the strength of the bee colony. i am just a newbie, but i am under the impression that a healthy colony can pretty much defend its home and food stores from the likes of ants and wasps. if i am wrong, i hope somebody posts that fact, as i will modify my own strategy accordingly. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Dave Fessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:11:20 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34109FA8.35D2@erols.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> Reply-To: fessler@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: aln-as1s32.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 6 Sep 1997 00:11:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) CC: user@msn.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9570 user@msn.com wrote: > > Hello: > Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, > I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot (cut) > > Thank You. > > BobK, in West Chester, Pa Bob, Here's something to remember about swarms: A swarm in May is worth a load of hay; A swarm in June is worth a silver spoon; A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. The implication here is that a swarm in September isn't worth anything. Best Regards, Dave in Nazareth, PA Article 9571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 6 Sep 1997 02:40:08 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 71 Message-ID: <01bcba6e$213dd300$876ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 05 9:40:08 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9571 David J Trickett wrote in article <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... | | : | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, | | : IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only | : that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at | : success at this late date are not worth it | | I maintain hives in the same area and have to agree with Jack, though | you might pull it off with very heavy feeding if you actually capture | most of the hive and the accompanying queen is in good shape. I agree that it is possible - the fact is I have done it myself which is why IMO it is simply not worth it - however I do remember as a newbie I would have tried it myself - now it is just seen from a quite different perspective. I would also suspect that a newbie ain't real likely to pull it off UNLESS someone mentors them through the project on site. It may be | worth it however in that these bees may have some varroa resistance | (Jack (the previous poster) would know more about possible resistance | mechanisms as a result of his honeybee improvement program). The chance is VERY VERY slim that any given feral colony has much resistance - it is like hunting for a needle in a haystack. When we (HIP) are told of feral colonies our Standard Operating Procedure is to tell them to let us know if they are still alive next April (we call 'em then) - if they are we will come and get them then. So far NONE - not one - nada - have been and one post-mite year we had 6 leads on feral colonies going into winter with some owners claiming (but not "knowing") that the colony had been there for multiple years. Realize that most feral or even just neglected colonies could easily perish un-noticed and be repopulated via a swarm before the observer/owner made note of it - this would lead to claims of multiple year survival when such had not actually happened. Realize also that the colony could yet have workers showing signs of resistance and could also have superseded the queen that mothered them and now be stuck with a daughter that did not get the needed genetic combination from Mom let alone from the drones it mated with. Yet another drawback of working on resistance selection with colonies of unknown background with unmarked queens. Mind you we do look at feral stock for signs of promise (shoot we look at all kinds of stock for promising traits) but it is from selected stocks not feral stocks that we are finding the most promising things - and even then we are talking about a faint glimmer of hope way way out at the end of a very long and very dark tunnel. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Posting binaries to sci.agriculture.beekeeping (was: Re: Bee Sting onBreasts?) Date: 6 Sep 1997 11:18:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5ure64$hle$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> <5u3hp4$qes@titan.oit.unc.edu> <1997Sep3.093520.9479@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9572 In article <1997Sep3.093520.9479@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, Rodger Whitlock wrote: > >The rule in all newsgroups is: binaries are welcome in a newsgroup *only* >if (a) the name of the group includes the word "binaries" or (b) the >charter explicitly says that binaries are ok. > >Netiquette issues such as this are discussed in greater length in the >news.* hierarchy, particularly in some of the FAQs regularly posted to >news.answers. Funny. Seems that nobody can ever agree on anything, in what news.* groups I've read. When sci.agriculture.beekeeping was made, posting spurious binaries was not an issue. Propagating massive cancel messages wasn't a problem either. Regarding cancel messages: it's up to the newsadmin at your site on whether or not to continue the cancels, or for that matter the binaries. As for binary posting here, in sci.agriculture.beekeeping, for now, there isn't a problem with binaries being spammed to the group-- what binaries that have been posted have all had something to do with bees in some way. Maybe the thing to do with binaries is to point to them? Say post an article stating that one has a specific binary available for anyone that wants it? How about that? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Mike Lowndes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa mite attack! Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 14:15:23 +0100 Organization: Oxford University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: leaf.anat.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9573 My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just reached there apparently). She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of tackling them that anyone may know of? Any advice appreciated, cheers Mike Article 9574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: rainbowway@usa.net (Beckwith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French round beehives? Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 14:28:06 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3411686e.2224792@news.ioa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19755@208.131.128.236 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9574 I saw something posted a few days ago about a new type of round beehive being used in France, but I lost the post. Does anyone know anything about these beehives? Is there really a lower incidence of mite infestation in them? Is there a web site with info on them? thanks. Will Article 9575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: <> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.229.113.25 Message-ID: <3411597d.0@news1.kc.net> Date: 6 Sep 97 13:24:13 GMT Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nac!news1.kc.net!206.229.113.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9575 jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: > > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I have read in the Dadant BeeKeeping Book about a method of combining a weak hive with a strong hive without killing the weaker queen by putting newspaper between the two hives and then allowing the bees to combine by themselves as they eat the paper. I understand that while the stronger queen may kill the weaker queen, they will occassionally run a 2 queen hive. While I have no experience with this myself, it sounded very interesting in theory. I am a new bee keeper, struggling to learn more of the herbal/natural/ non-antibiotic ways of keeping bees. Should you have any references on that subject, I would very much like to hear of them. Thank you and Good Luck. Article 9576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: eden@net1plus.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and aromatic oils? Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 02:21:31 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34112056.1DD1@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20809@207.77.56.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9576 A few months ago there was a thread here about using aromatic oils as an aid for the mite problem. If anyone has saved the thread I would appreciate an email with the info or maybe you could point me to a site that has the info.. Appreciated. Article 9577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 11:05:08 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34119B54.7588@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca8-37.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 06 11:11:54 AM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: Martin Greaves Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9577 Martin Greaves wrote: > > Hi all, > > from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... > > I don't keep bees and am very unlikely to, but love honey and am > interested in its health possibilities, particularly in regard to immune > system benefits of locally gathered honey. If anyone has any experience, > anecdotes or opinions I would be pleased to hear them either here or via > email. > > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? > > Thanks in advance for your comments. > > Mart. > > -- > Martin Greaves I can't answer your academic question, but Thornes, a bee keeping supply house in Windsor, might be able to answer your questions regarding local laws, etc. Article 9578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: 6 Sep 1997 22:21:28 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970906222101.SAA16375@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <340FC0A0.5EBC@nt.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9578 Big ol carpenter ants sometimes nest between the covers if the bees can't get at them to kick them out. This happens to me when I use an inner cover without a hole in it for a bee escape. When it happens I dump the ants away from the hive and either use a migratory cover for a while or an inner cover with a hole and enough space for the bees to patrol above it. Article 9579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!disco.iinet.net.au!news.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Mark Beeson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SILKWORMS Date: 7 Sep 1997 02:05:16 GMT Organization: Amcal Bullcreek Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcb736$68b153a0$71e637cb@computername> NNTP-Posting-Host: per2-79.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9579 Hello, The kids have just got a batch of silkworms and there are very few mulberry leaves around this neck of the woods-can anyone help with alternative food supplies for them? We would appreciate some advice Cass,Mark,Jay,Matts and Toby Article 9580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wetware!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting binaries to sci.agriculture.beekeeping (was: Re: Bee Sting onBreasts?) Date: 7 Sep 1997 06:11:39 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5utgir$of7@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <5ure64$hle$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> <5u3hp4$qes@titan.oit.unc Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9580 In a previous article, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) says: >Maybe the thing to do with binaries is to point to them? Say post an >article stating that one has a specific binary available for anyone that >wants it? How about that? That's the way it's supposed to be done. It keeps the storage of those off the news system: hundreds, if not thousands of systems. -- Article 9581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!clear.net.nz!d1-u25.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:55:28 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u25.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9581 In article , Martin Greaves wrote: > > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? When I lived at Gloucester Rd I kept bees on the first floor balcony. Unfortunately the landlord got nervous about it and banned it, and I shifted them to Regents Park (when the college there was still publicly owned). I don't think there's any regs about it; the most noted example was someone who kept their bees on a rooftop overlooking Buck House. I think it was featured in a colour supp piece. -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 9582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and aromatic oils? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:24:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5uukg6$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <34112056.1DD1@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:24:38 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9582 eden@net1plus.com wrote: >A few months ago there was a thread here about using aromatic oils as an >aid for the mite problem. >If anyone has saved the thread I would appreciate an email with the info >or maybe you could point me to a site that has the info.. >Appreciated. Some of the research is posted on the web: http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Put varroa mite in the search field of Yahoo or AltaVista, and you'll get other articles on the mites. Article 9583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mite attack! Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:27:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5uukm8$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:27:52 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9583 Mike Lowndes wrote: >My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). >Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just >reached there apparently). >She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I >thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of >tackling them that anyone may know of? Mike: Here is the US we're treating with Apistan strips--the chemical fluvalinate. Plastic strips impregnated with the chemical are slipped between brood frames after surplus honey is taken off and left on for six weeks. Some folks are experimenting with other methods, e.g. essential oils. Article 9584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:29:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5uukr9$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <34119B54.7588@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:30:33 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9584 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Martin Greaves wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... >> >> As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is >> feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the >> academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local >> laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever >> successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? >> Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? If it is crazy, then there's another nut in NYC. There was an article in the New York Times a few weeks back that a beekeeper had found someone who was letting him put a hive up on top of a very tall city building. I'm sure there's plenty of forage with Central Park alone. Article 9585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:25:02 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9585 In article , Martin Greaves writes >Hi all, >As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is >feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. Certainly, you have resident branches of the BBKA in NW10 (Brondesbury Park area?- I'm not too familiar with London!) and Twickenham. > I'm interested in the >academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local >laws or residents. No law against it, don't know about your neighbours. >I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever >successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? How high is the Bank of England? Or the Paris Opera House? Bees have been kept on both. >Would the bees prosper? Average yields better than many suburban areas (probably about 80-100 per colony) >Is it a crazy notion? NO > >Thanks in advance for your comments. > Your welcome -- Tom Speight Article 9586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:31:44 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 48 Message-ID: <34130120.196328A4@earthlink.net> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.229 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: "Janet A. Katz" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9586 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When we don't have that many to do we use an odinary pressure washer. Janet A. Katz wrote: > I've just finished taking the remainder of my surplus off my hives and > > have queen excluders that are covered with wax and propolis. Anybody > have any relatively reasonable methods for cleaning these? -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Marching Band Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kettlewell, Andrew Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kettlewell, Andrew n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E-- Article 9587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:32:35 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 48 Message-ID: <34130153.C0792178@earthlink.net> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.229 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: "Janet A. Katz" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9587 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When we don't have that many to do we use an odinary pressure washer. Janet A. Katz wrote: > I've just finished taking the remainder of my surplus off my hives and > > have queen excluders that are covered with wax and propolis. Anybody > have any relatively reasonable methods for cleaning these? -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Marching Band Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kettlewell, Andrew Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kettlewell, Andrew n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705-- Article 9588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3411D9A9.2A30@voyager.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:31:05 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: smoke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.109.137.15 Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!nac!news1.kc.net!198.109.137.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9588 Today is the first beautiful sunny day in a while that also happens to fall on the weekend so I can remove the excess\honey stores from the hives. I went out with my trusty fume board, smoker and apistan strips, terramycin, etc. Got into the first hive and the bees went crazy. After Three years, I finally got stung on the leg. Not badly, but I read with interest the posting earlier on stings. Anyway, I realized that my usual little puff of smoke at the hive entrance to say "hello" may have been too much for them. My neighbor is clearing land and burning trees. The smoke has been wafting into my yard (and home) all day. Could the bees have had enough of the smoke and simply decided to retaliate and I happened to be the closest target? These are usualy very docile, lovely bees, but I have noticed that too much smoke in the past aggitates them. I did speak with my neighbor. We are working out an arrangement so I can get my honey off without the smoke fro the burning trees. But I am curious if my theory is correct - the extra smoke from my smoker was more than they could stand. Anne Article 9589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:25:21 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no excluder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.109.137.15 Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!nac!news1.kc.net!198.109.137.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9589 About 7 weeks ago I noticed that some of my hives were not doing much of anything. I have 15 hives with queen excluders in all. Yet some of the bees were not going up into the supers to store honey. The queen was laying brood, but the hives weren't strong. Other hives at this point have stored almost 3 supers full and drawn out comb honey. So I took the queen excluder out. Within a few weeks the slow hives were building up brood and laying honey and some brood in the supers. In confering with an experienced beekeeper, he said he never uses q-excluders. My question now is, how do I extract the honey from the supers with brood in them? I don't want to weaken what now seems to be a strong hive. Anne J. Hacker ajhacker@voyager.net Article 9590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!basho.demon.co.uk!ahado From: Dhyan Ahado Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-list ?? Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:10:27 +0100 Organization: D A Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: basho.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: basho.demon.co.uk [158.152.37.123] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9590 I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name existed on that server. I used: Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Can anyone point me at the correct server? Thanks for your help -- Dhyan Ahado Hm: ahado@basho.demon.co.uk (+44)-1249-660611 Wk: D.Ahado@lucent.com Article 9591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no excluder Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:34:57 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34131E01.5CCF@worldnet.att.net> References: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.237.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9591 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > About 7 weeks ago I noticed that some of my hives were not doing much > of anything. I have 15 hives with queen excluders in all. Yet some of > the bees were not going up into the supers to store honey. The queen was > laying brood, but the hives weren't strong. Other hives at this point > have stored almost 3 supers full and drawn out comb honey. > > So I took the queen excluder out. Within a few weeks the slow hives were > building up brood and laying honey and some brood in the supers. In > confering with an experienced beekeeper, he said he never uses > q-excluders. > > My question now is, how do I extract the honey from the supers with > brood in them? I don't want to weaken what now seems to be a strong > hive. > > Anne J. Hacker > ajhacker@voyager.net If you are using shallow supers, it will be the exception that the queen will go up into them. If you are supering with deeps, queens will more readily go up into them but it is still the exception. Many advocate not using queen excluders (AKA honey excluders). In the exceptional case where there is brood in the supers, put a queen excluder under them before removing the supers. Then just wait long enough for the brood that was already there to hatch and you will have brrod free supers. Article 9592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoke Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:40:38 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34131F56.782F@worldnet.att.net> References: <3411D9A9.2A30@voyager.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.237.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9592 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > Today is the first beautiful sunny day in a while that also happens to > fall on the weekend so I can remove the excess\honey stores from the > hives. > > I went out with my trusty fume board, smoker and apistan strips, > terramycin, etc. Got into the first hive and the bees went crazy. After > Three years, I finally got stung on the leg. Not badly, but I read with > interest the posting earlier on stings. > > Anyway, I realized that my usual little puff of smoke at the hive > entrance to say "hello" may have been too much for them. My neighbor is > clearing land and burning trees. The smoke has been wafting into my yard > (and home) all day. Could the bees have had enough of the smoke and > simply decided to retaliate and I happened to be the closest target? > These are usualy very docile, lovely bees, but I have noticed that too > much smoke in the past aggitates them. > > I did speak with my neighbor. We are working out an arrangement so I can > get my honey off without the smoke fro the burning trees. But I am > curious if my theory is correct - the extra smoke from my smoker was > more than they could stand. > > Anne Sounds like your "hello" puff was not enough. Your bees are normally docile but you are taking from them what they instinctively know they need to survive, their food stores. If the flow has stopped they also know they can not replace it before the winter. You also mention that this was on the first beautiful sunny day. They were probably a little edgy if they have not been able to forage. Article 9593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!not-for-mail From: "Salvador E. Calderón" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: 7 Sep 1997 23:43:19 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bcbbe5$01584c00$LocalHost@scalderon.itsinc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: orion34.spin.com.mx X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9593 I have kept 5 colonies in downtown Mexico City. I don't think you have any problem. Just give your neighbours a jar of honey once in a while to keep them happy. Martin Greaves wrote in article ... > Hi all, > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? > Martin Greaves > Article 9594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: smokey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help !."Bee-by" sitting the hives Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:15:22 -0700 Organization: Springs Industries Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34135FBA.4805@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: goomba@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.56.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9594 My father in law has taken a trip back to the "Old Country", good for him but nervous for me! I was left with the chore of maintaining his seven hobby hives. I have a question; I have been feeding the hives a mixture of sugar/water. The quarts are being devoured at an alarming rate! I even tried giveing two hives a night feeding but by the next day that was gone as well. Is this unusual or am I just a concerned newbee keeper. The hives are in New Jersey if that means anything (weather has been very dry, mild lately) Article 9595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:47:20 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3412F6B8.490D@Birkey.Com> References: Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-144.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Dhyan Ahado Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9595 Dhyan Ahado wrote: > > I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address > given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list > server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name > existed on that server. I used: > > Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Can anyone point me at the correct server? Dhyan - It should look like this: SUB BEE-L Dhyan Ahado Put it in the body of the email and send to: LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU In no time you'll see how people really act when they get to talking on a Beekeeping List. Enjoy. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Cathy Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and africanized bees Date: 7 Sep 1997 23:55:01 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5uvesl$s0r@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> References: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.61.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9596 Africanized bees are honeybees, and are attacked by both Varroa mites and tracheal mites. It has been alleged that infestations with these mites are responsible for slowing the spread of Africanized bees in the southern U.S. Article 9597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: xlch75@aol.com (Xlch75) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: 8 Sep 1997 01:06:34 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970908010600.VAA26928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3412F6B8.490D@Birkey.Com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9597 Hello, I have a couple of friends who want to get into Bee Keeping and who have a cabinet shop, need usuable shop drawings of Bee Hives , Supers, and Frames. In sw Okla area. can be reached at xlch75@aol.com Thank You in advance for any help you can give us. Article 9598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: xlch75@aol.com (Xlch75) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: 8 Sep 1997 01:14:37 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9598 Hello, I have a couple of friends who are getting into Bee Keeping and need information on Hive Construction, Thanks in Advance xlch75@aol.com Article 9599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:03:53 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 14 Message-ID: <341316B9.4BD1@Birkey.Com> References: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-121.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Xlch75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9599 Xlch75 wrote: > > Hello, > I have a couple of friends who are getting into Bee Keeping and need > information on Hive Construction They're here: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 05:11:19 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5v016h$n8s$1@nntp.pe.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9600 In article , Dhyan Ahado wrote: >I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address >given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list >server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name >existed on that server. I used: > > Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > >Can anyone point me at the correct server? > I would like to get that info also. I tried one time but failed. Please let me know the step-by-step if you find out. Thnx. Article 9601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mite attack! Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:56:41 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3413BDC9.2586@nt.com> References: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9601 Mike Lowndes wrote: > > My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). > Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just > reached there apparently). > She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I > thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of > tackling them that anyone may know of? > Any advice appreciated, > cheers > Mike Bayvoral is the only method that has been proved to work here in the UK. Apistan is not available yet but is supposed to be on the point of being approved here. Some people have experimented with essential oils etc but the results are very mixed. I don't particularly like using 'hard' chemicals with the bees but 2 years ago I lost 2 hives by treating rather late in the year, just make sure that your mother takes any surplus honey off before using Bayvoral. Try looking at the BBKA website http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm There are 2 beekeeping associations listed for yorkshire: YORK & DISTRICT T. Robinson, 71 Broadway, York YO1 4JP 01904 626170 YORKSHIRE G.H. Moxon, 9 Savery Street, Southcoates Lane,Hull HU9 3BG. 01482 782052 Contact either or both they will give plenty of advice and will know sources of supply for Bayvoral. They will be only too pleased that someone is treating for varroa. We have a problem that a lot of people don't and when their bees abscond to our hives they bring more mights with them. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:35:05 -3251 Organization: **** Lines: 4 Message-ID: <33132EE9.3690@itl.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.15.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02APPLE (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9602 I heard of somebody keeping bees in a spare bedroom on the second floor with a window permanently open! Morley. Article 9603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:53:29 -0600 From: bbowen@mtest.teradyne.com Subject: My initiation into beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <873737045.7607@dejanews.com> Reply-To: bbowen@pacbell.net Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 08 16:44:05 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.24.98.11 (bruno.mtest.teradyne.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Authenticated-Sender: bbowen@mtest.teradyne.com Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9603 For a humorous account of my initiation into beekeeping (with a picture) check out my web page article at http://home.pacbell.net/bbowen/bees.htm -Bruce bbowen@pacbell.net home page http://home.pacbell.net/bbowen -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.152.142.10!zeke.ebtech.net!not-for-mail From: "mike" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hive in Garbage boxes pls help Date: 8 Sep 1997 11:48:16 GMT Organization: Electro-Byte Technologies "Sarnia's Internet Provider" Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bcbc4c$9609eae0$0a8f98ce@mike> NNTP-Posting-Host: help.ebtech.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9604 Help I have an undesirable Bee Hive in some cardboard garbage boxes. I would like to get rid of it somehow. I would rather not use pestacides and I can't find any local Bee Keepers who may want to capture it. I live in Sarnia Ontario Canada. Thank You Article 9605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.gte.com!not-for-mail From: "Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HoneyBee hive on house Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:46:31 -0400 Organization: GTE Laboratories Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5v1djr$ql7$1@news.gte.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.197.118.14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9605 I recently discovered a Honey Bee hive in the roof of our front porch. Seems pretty active (about 5 bees can be seen at any time). Does anyone have suggestions on encouraging them to move to a new location? Something that a consumer could easily find in a local store, not too time consuming to implement, and would not cause either great ecological damage, and would be as kind to the bees as possible? {There is a Jewish obligation to NOT cause needless harm to animals, and knowing a bit of the philosophical underpinnings, I see no reason why this would not also apply to bees}. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yechezkal-Shimon Gutfreund sgutfreund@gte.com GTE Laboratories,Waltham MA K'siva V'Chasima L'shana Tova U'mesuka B'gashmius U'B'ruchnious -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Article 9639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to start Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:24:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bcbe75$d99b0e80$7086dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh8-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 11 12:24:34 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9639 Tobi Elmore wrote in article <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net>... | My wife and I are planning on getting into raising bees for the Fruit | treesd and rather large garden. Any suggestions on when we should put | the packaged bees into hives in Central Indiana? Early to mid April - optimal 1 May - will still work ORDER EARLY - or you may not get the dates you decide upon. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!HGPUS7C From: HGPUS7C@chollian.dacom.co.kr (õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:38:54 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9640 Mark D. Hoover (mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: : I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade : plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost : effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. : Mark H Article 9641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: yaamaaha@aol.com (Yaamaaha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:56:16 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9641 me too please! kat>Can anybody please send me the address of the beekeeping listserv. Article 9642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:09:26 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9642 In article <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Yaamaaha writes >me too please! > >kat>Can anybody please send me the address of the beekeeping listserv. > > I think that you need to send an email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU with the body of the message saying SUBSCRIBE BEE-L best of luck - you will probably want to subscribe to Best Of Bee instead very soon unless you have lots of spare time!!! -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:29:39 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19970911152901.LAA00277@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9643 In article , owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) writes: > Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? >From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) >Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:47:46 +1200 > > >A while ago this seemed to be a no-no - syrup was the only way to go. What >is the current thinking on this? Asked the same question myself a year ago or so and the general opinion was that dry sugar would keep em from starving but 1:1 sugar syrup would stimulate brood rearing. Article 9644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:08:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5v8jfr$eou$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9644 In article , Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: >with the body of the message saying > > SUBSCRIBE BEE-L SUBSCRIBE BEE-L YOUR NAME -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!nntp.info.ucla.edu!134.87.113.1!news.bc.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: 11 Sep 1997 19:45:19 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bcbeeb$3a292be0$f3d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin243.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9645 What are the current honey prices in the US? Article 9646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:56:21 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-103-84.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9646 joe mc cool wrote: > So, what is going on here ? Bee keeping is authentic, it is beautiful, > it is real. Computing is a lie, it is going nowhere, it is becoming > more and more ugly every day. And my frustration is increased when I > see so many young people rushing into it as a career. Little do they > know how ..... how ... essentially ugly it is. I agree with everything you say....but computing can extend the life of the tired old but experienced beekeeper and at the same time inform the public and new beekeepers of the LIFE and Lore of keeping bees. The sad thing about computing is that most people will never know about unix, or dos, only that the winds of 95 may not be perfect but it will bee all fixed with the winds of 98. If nothing the pc and the internet have opened up the world to beekeepers and someday in the future we will know the names of a few "internet beekeepers", not because of any particular success at keeping bees but the gift of telling the story of it all to others. Is this good? I don't know but it sure is fun to read of the experiences of other beekeepers and for some of us writing about it.... IMHO, Andy- Los Banos, California > > > Care to comment on this comparison ? > > -- > joe mc cool > By their acts shall ye know them. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== Article 9647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:18:06 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970911221801.SAA25625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9647 Try http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Article 9648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!dciteleport.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: 12 Sep 1997 00:31:46 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bcbf13$4571c8e0$9a6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-26.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 11 7:31:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9648 õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ wrote in article <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr>... | | Mark D. Hoover (mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: | : I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade | : plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost | : effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. | First worry might oughta be IF the glue is actually WATERPROOF - otherwise the plywood will delaminate - yep sometimes even "exterior" grade will delaminate when painted and used as lids here. Some lids we made this Spring are already delaminating and yep I did ask about waterproof glue and was assured this plywood was made with it and could handle the job I intended it for. Now a couple of our Cooperators in HIP get used "form board" - they use it for lids and one made a few hundred nifty 5 frame Deep nuc boxes out of it too. This is a special type of plywood used in making concrete forms - it IS waterproof - has a special coating on it too so you don't even need to paint it (I doubt paint would adhere) - and it is fairly resistant to warpage. Next time we make lids we are using that stuff if I have to get it shipped up from FL (where they get it). Now if any of you know of a MI or OH source of the stuff please let me know. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to start Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:46:14 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34190157.4F5C@Birkey.Com> References: <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-112.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9649 Tobi Elmore wrote: > > My wife and I are planning on getting into raising bees for the Fruit > treesd and rather large garden. Any suggestions on when we should put > the packaged bees into hives in Central Indiana? > Tobi Tobi - Around here, the end of April through the first of May is when I can get queens and packages. I suppose if you shop around you might be able to get them earlier but this time frame works well for here. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Bar Hive Beekeeping Website Additions Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:42:06 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: arachnid.Gsu.EDU 874060934 17480 (None) 131.96.1.18 X-Complaints-To: usenet@arachnid.Gsu.EDU Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9650 I've added a couple of items to the tbh website at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm First of all, I've added a page on working top bar hives which has some photographs that should be helpful. Second, I have made a self-extracting zipped file (780K) of the entire website which can be downloaded if you wish the information and photos to run locally with your browser. It runs rapidly since you will not be retrieving pages and photos via internet, but the links to other websites and the "mailto" links will not work since you would not be online. You'd need to put the file on your hd to unzip it, but then the files could be copied to a 1.4MB disk if you wanted to run it from a disk. The homepage is main.htm. Since this is an executable file, you should check it for viruses as you should *any* executable that you retrieve from the net...but I assure you that the file is clean from this end. If you don't have access to the web, I might be able to send the file to you as an email attachment if your server/provider permits such large binaries. Get in contact with me if you need to try that. Links to these web page additions are on the home page as well as in the "What's New" link on the home page. I hope that you and your bees are well... Cordially yours, Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------- | James D. Satterfield | E-Mail: jsatt@gsu.edu | | 258 Ridge Pine Drive --------------------------------| | Canton, GA 30114, USA Canton is about 40 mi/64 km | | Telephone (770) 479-4784 north of Altanta, Georgia USA | | | | TBH Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm | ---------------------------------------------------------------- Article 9651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hmbrewery@aol.com (HmBrewery) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Wanted Date: 12 Sep 1997 14:15:29 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970912141501.KAA22182@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9651 Retail store in Washington is looking for the occasional (55 gallons every 4-5 months) drum of good honey. e-mail responses please Article 9652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.2.250.4!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no excluder Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:21:41 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34194dd9.10109271@news.netside.com> References: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42p1-125.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9652 It may be a bit late in the season for this trick, but when I get brood in a honey super I put it above an excluder (after making sure the queen isn't in it!). The brood will hatch, and the bees fill in the empty space with honey. You can then place the super below the excluder, or remove the excluder completely, to speed capping. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 9653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:54:05 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3419659D.7C89@ix.netcom.com> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> Reply-To: swehe@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx3-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 12 8:51:14 AM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9653 jcrespi@capaccess.org wrote: > > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I'm a newbie beekeeper and had a similar problem. Since I'm in South Central Texas, I thought the foraging would be enough to build them up before winter but it obviously wasn't working. Thanks to Jack Griffes's advice, I started feeding syrup last month to the bees. The hive is now twice the original size with lots of brood and stores. There should be no problem overwintering them now. susan Article 9654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 19:50:01 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874093801snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9654 In article mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu "Mark D. Hoover" writes: > I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade > plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost > effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. Also consider the weight, plywood can be rather heavy for a brood chamber. -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 19:53:24 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874094004snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9655 Yes, But what I am really looking for is actual considered comparisons between the beauty and authenticity of bee keeping and the ugliness of computing. I am trying to articulate ideas :-) -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: FRANK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supers Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:57:21 -0700 Organization: Twin Lakes Telephone Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <341AC5F1.7052@twlakes.net> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-16.r03.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INFOAVENUE (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9656 As a beginning beekeeper can someone explain when you add supers and when you should take them off. How much honey should you leave the colony for the winter. I planned on having a brood area of one regular hive body plus one 6 5/8 super. Any more honey produced would belong to me. Is this a reasonable plan? Do you recommend queen excluders to keep the queen in the brood area? Thank you Article 9657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:49:59 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 75 Message-ID: <3419E336.159A4A25@valley.net> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> <874094004snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9657 joe mc cool wrote: > Yes, > > But what I am really looking for is actual considered comparisons > between the beauty and authenticity of bee keeping and the ugliness of > computing. I am trying to articulate ideas :-) > > -- > joe mc cool > By their acts shall ye know them. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== greetings, guess i'll add my 2 cents. first, i have to agree totally with andy. as a newbie beekeeper, i've obtained and used a tremendous amount of information from the net, both from this usergroup and from the many, informative and very well produced webpages on beekeeping that are out there. since producing a web page usually involves some understanding of html language and structure, and since some of the web pages on beekeeping [and other topics] are, besides informative, very attractive, i'd say that computer programming can result in beauty, albeit of a different kind. as for programming itself, while i am not a programmer by trade, i do a fair amount of it in my job, as it is one of my responsibilities to test and validate the medical device software developed by my company. when a few thousand lines of code [or dozens, for that matter] that took weeks to create, execute as desired, it is a beautiful thing. it might get pretty ugly and frustrating during some periods in the creation phase, but the end result is very pleasurable to see in action. and well structured, well documented and well written code is a pleasure to read and beautiful, when compared to poorly written, spaghetti code. now, it is beauty of a different sort, but, just as a van gogh is different from a picasso [or a bach concerto], it is still beautiful in the eye of a beholder, if the beholder is into that sort of thing. i cut my teeth programming in basic, fortran, pascal, etc. in the mid-70's, and i resisted windows for years. didn't see any value in gui's. but, i'm used to it, now, and object oriented programming does have its advantages. it's just evolution in a different area. is programming beautiful in the same sense that watching a healthy colony of bees work a hive on a warm, summer day is beautiful, relaxing, or just plain awe inspiring? heck no. but, in it's own world, it can be a beautiful and rewarding thing. sure, programming isn't for everybody, and some of the cultural hype that's out there today is misleading, to say the least [thank god for the dilbert slant on that]. but, for some people, it is a very enjoyable and satisfying career. i know, because i work with some of those people [and am a part-timer, myself]. and, no, bill gates didn't pay me to write this. ;) if you want to get off on a major philosophical tangent, then i think that there are many similarities between programming and bees/beekeeping. programming is highly structured, and bees are, if anything, highly structured organisms, and their manmade homes are a model of standardization. the successful beekeeper understands the structure and organization of their world and works within it, not against it. but, perhaps, that is a topic for another day. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:24:42 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 64 Message-ID: <3419EB5A.838A166@valley.net> References: <341AC5F1.7052@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9658 FRANK wrote: > As a beginning beekeeper can someone explain when you add supers and > when you should take them off. How much honey should you leave the > colony for the winter. I planned on having a brood area of one regular > hive body plus one 6 5/8 super. Any more honey produced would belong > to me. Is this a reasonable plan? Do you recommend queen excluders to > keep the queen in the brood area? > > Thank you greetings, i'm just a newbie, myself, but i'll share my strategy, for what it's worth. i have 2 deep brood boxes for my base hive, and i'm leaving one medium super on top for the winter. i live in new hampshire, where winters are generally long and cold, and i want to be sure that my bees have enough stores to overwinter. having no data points myself, i took the advice of several contributors to this group, who have been there and done that. maybe it's overkill, but i'd rather be safe than sorry. if they don't use the honey in the super, then i'll feed it back to them next spring, and they'll get off to a quicker start. next year i'm planning to add a third deep to the base hive, so i won't have to worry about sufficient stores anymore [assuming all goes well during the season]. will that reduce their productivity next year, because they'll 'sense' that they already have plenty of honey in the 3 deeps? i don't know. maybe. i'm hoping it will give them enough space to 1) minimize the risk of swarming [along with requeening and regular feeding, as needed], 2) reduce the risk of disease from overcrowding, and 3) enable the colony to grow as large as it can, which may result in MORE honey. but, either way, i'm a hobbyist, and i'm not doing this for the commercial potential. if my bees are happy, then i'm happy. i'm not sure about using a queen excluder. someone else will have to answer that one. i don't plan to use one, because i figure the cluster will center around the queen, and i don't want to inhibit them from going up into the super, if they need it, but she can't follow them. if she does move up and starts laying in the super over the winter, i'll add the qe in the spring, and the brood should be gone before the first flow. i hope. or, i may modify my plan and leave them the super as a brood box in lieu of the 3rd deep. time will tell, but, first, i've got to get them through the winter. after that, making such a decision will be a pleasure. as for adding supers, i put them on when 9 or more frames in a box [i have 11 per box] are almost full. the bees take about 2 1/2 weeks to draw and fill a medium super. i started with plain foundation this year, so next year will probably go quicker. generally, i believe you're supposed to take full supers off once they're capped. although, i left one on for several weeks this summer, because i didn't have any extraction equipment, and it didn't seem to slow them down a bit in filling new supers. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:3