Article 14021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1998083117562600.NAA24417@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 17:56:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdd494$b3322c20$3b010dd0@static> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14021 >Are there any books that you could reccomend? I need something that is a >real how-to guide for newbies such as myself. As you will probably soon find out, there are more beginner how-to's than you can even think of reading before you get started. Some are, naturally, easier to read and understand than others. My personal favorite for reliable content and direct and easy manner is John Vivian's *Keeping Bees* (Williamson Publishing Co., PO Box 185, Charlotte, VT 05445; copyright 1986; $10.95 paperback -- I've seen it on the shelves recently at the big bookstores). But whichever book you choose first, always supplement one book with another, with a beekeeping periodical, and/or with contact with experienced beekeepers. Things change. New problems and methods arise. Vivian, for example, does not mention Apistan treatment for Varroa mites. But that time-based limitation does not detract from the beautifully written book that tells you the basics in a way that's easy to follow. Step by step, until you have it down. pko ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!feed.nntp.acc.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: M & L White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to stop robbing Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:12:06 +0000 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35E9B216.515F8C8D@globalserve.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin230.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 904522592 16236 209.90.139.39 (31 Aug 1998 00:16:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 00:16:32 GMT To: Mike Reddy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14022 You may try moving the hive at night if that is possible. Even 6 or 8 feet then the robbers will not find it in the same place the next morning and go elsewhere. Good luck. Article 14023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Need some answers please... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com> Message-ID: <01bdd475$d76aba40$8c10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:27:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.16.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 904523233 204.186.16.140 (Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:27:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:27:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14023 I believe you would be better off reading and ordering equipment this fall. Don't start a hive now because it will never build up in time to survive winter (which I imagine is pretty stiff out your way). As for buying an existing hive, only buy one from someone you know and trust extremely well because of the risk of disease. Besides that you'll learn more if you start your own from scratch. Even if you bought an established hive now I wouldn't move it until spring. Good luck! Article 14024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldfeed.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news.globeset.com!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Bee box" Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:57:07 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6sfcm9$1om$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207180-146.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14024 Hello everyone, I would like to know if anyone has constructed a "bee box" or has a bee box that they have used, their experiences with it, and where they are located. Being a new beekeeper I am very much intrigued by the notion of "bee-hunting" and would like to pursue it further. As always, I appreciate all of your comments and suggestions. Best Regards Marc Article 14025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:12:17 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35EB7421.2EC@midwest.net> References: <01bdd494$b3322c20$3b010dd0@static> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904623307 .ZFUVYH4M1C15D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14025 Static wrote: > Are there any books that you could reccomend? I need something that is a > real how-to guide for newbies such as myself. Two of many I have found very helpful Beekeeping - A Practical Guide by Richard E. Bonney ISBN 0-88266-861-7 How to Keep Bees And Sell Honey Walter T. Kelly Co. 502-242-2012 AL Article 14026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:23 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co74-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 01 5:05:40 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14026 Hi all! Does anyone have the particulars for placing feed ontop of frames using a baggie? What I understand is that you fill the ziplock baggie and place it directly ontop of the frames & then cut a few small holes in the top. Is this correct? Don't you kill some bees trapped under the weight of the baggie? Is the idea that the bees climb to the top & suck down the syrup/honey until it's empty? I just picked up a 6-8 lb swarm today & combined them with a weaker hive. They'll need as much food as possible so I'm feeding them the excess honey I've pulled from feral hives here & there (400-500 lbs this year, which is mixed with bits of wall, roof, rock, etc....). I'll get around to making some in-hive feeders but since this swarm came around unexpectedly, I'd like to feed them as much honey as they'll eat right away and give them a fighting chance. Thanks in advance of your advice, Matthew in Colorado Article 14027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2-queen hives overwintering? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:25 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co74-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 01 5:05:41 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14027 Just another quick question - Does anyone know if a dual-queen hive over-winters well? Seems to me that one of the queens (separated by an excluder) might easily get 'gyped' and get a smaller number of bees to form the winter cluster (I assume there are two clusters). Is the excluder a potential freeze hazard if it's made of aluminum or steel? I live in Colorado and have been combining a few weaker hives using hardware cloth & separate entrances to acclimate the bees together. If it's necessary, I'll find & kill the weaker of the two queens in each hive before winter sets in. thanks, Matthew Article 14028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: see.sig (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <35ede7a5.10406617@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-27.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!insnet.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-27.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14028 On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:23 GMT, fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote: >I'll get around to making some in-hive feeders but since this swarm >came around unexpectedly, I'd like to feed them as much honey as >they'll eat right away and give them a fighting chance. > NEVER feed honey from one hive, to another. It's the best possible way to spread disease. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Never again did he go round the church, widdershins... Article 14029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:34:08 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6sgt7h$bm1g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-13.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 1 Sep 1998 13:35:45 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/1260ebe4a16b5993 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14029 Used the baggie method of feeding frequently. It worked for some of my hives. Made very few pinholes. Brushed the bees away before putting the bag in place and inverted the inner cover to allow more space. It seemed that some hives would not bother with the feed, others would take it. Pinholes facing bottom and placed at cracks between frames. Article 14030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fall medication?? Date: 31 Aug 1998 04:51:31 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6sda4j$dku@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6sbo13$oim@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.186 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14030 Gabe wrote in message <6sbo13$oim@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>... >Hello, > >I am a new beekeeper and I live in New Jersey. I started a 3 pound swarm this April. Everything >went well. Now the Honey flow is coming to an end. What should I do to make sure they make it over >winter? When should I start medicating them and with what? I have read a few books and talked to a >local beekeeper but am still a bit unsure of what needs to be done. I am anxious to keep them >healthy since its only one hive and if lost Id have to start all over. Alos, I am planing to move >them about an hours drive away. When is the best time to move them? > >THanks for all your responses in advance. This newsgroup seems to be VERY helpful, thanks again. > >Gabe > >shriker@ix.netcom.com > 1. You should put Apistan strips in as soon as possible. Most beekeepers in NJ seem to prefer to apply the strips toward the end of summer, rather than waiting for the fall. 2. You should also treat with medicated greases patties, made from Crisco, sugar, and Terramycin, an antibiotic used for bees and farm animals. (both Apistan and Terramycin are available from any beekeeping supply house) 3. I assume the 1 hour drive is more than 3 miles. Since the weather is quite warm and the bees are "bearding" on the outside of the hive, it would be a shame to move the hive and lose those bees that will be insist on staying outside. I'd wait for cooler weather when the bees no longer congregate outside at night. Then in the morning, when it is still cool, seal the entrance with a piece of window screen and a staple gun. Strap the hive together with a strap clamp or hive staples, and just move it any way you can. I hope this is helpful. You might get more informative comments from others with more experience than I have / Curtis > Article 14031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: see.sig (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:42:01 GMT Message-ID: <35ed6e9b.44961043@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdd5d9$78908a80$4262400c@default> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-30.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-30.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14031 On 1 Sep 1998 18:51:00 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >I agree with the recommendations of a top bar hive (TBH). If you suspend it >from a tree or something you can use pulleys or block and tackle to raise >it or lower it depending on if it is a good sitting or standing day for >you. Also a top bar hive can be placed at ground level, on bricks, and can be manipulated from the side, even from a wheelchair... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Never again did he go round the church, widdershins... Article 14032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998090202561400.WAA03265@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1998 02:56:13 GMT References: <35EB7421.2EC@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14032 Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable's book "The Beekeeper's Handbook" is the most thorough, organized, and well written "general" or "beginning" book. It gives details when needed but explains the basics to get you started. It does not go off into the deep end of the scientific studies but does draw on all the latest science to give great, sound, advice. I highly recommend it of the couple dozen or so basic bee books I've collected. The thrid edition has just been published. It is available from A.I Root (Bee Culture magazine), I have also seen it at Border's Books, so I imagine you can probably order it from your favorite local bookstore, or Amazon if you are so inclined. Good Luck, David Morris Laurel, Md. Article 14033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (J. R.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: special thanks to J. Caldeira Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17990-35ECAA94-60@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAteqaz4sj9wJyPe46ChfQxokIONkCFQDEfv2faKorrShU5gV3PKeB8EMcug== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14033 After answering an e mailed question concerning nectar sources John invited me to join him this past weekend to check on his hives. Since I haven't made the plunge into my own hives yet I was very excited about going. I must say he is a very gracious host. John fixed me up with a suit , veil, gloves and hive tool. I gotta tell ya , I learned more in two hours with John than I have in 6 months of reading and looking at videos about bee management. Am I excited about beekeeping ? Believe it !!! My only problem now is my wife refuses to let me keep them in the game room with the rest of my stuff !! Oh well I guess my bees will have to get accustomed to sleeping outside with the kids. Again, thanks a million John. I really enjoyed it!!!! Article 14034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <13808-35ECCA6D-18@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQEHa8Q1ibqmaAxq/WFpE/MIpMjWQIUJ2Klcipc/xxqxk0WsI19vbpBxTY= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14034 Ron, I visited your Beetools website today and found it very interesting. Thank you for helping me find it. Donna Article 14035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:52:35 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 18 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.47 Message-ID: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14035 Remove the 9 from the address I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast help in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was easy to find. Thank you `Larry Article 14036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:30:18 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 39 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.45 Message-ID: <6s8b5q$2cp$1@news.vic.com> References: <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14036 Rosie: I also remember whan I was a kid we lived in the suburbs in a project, lots size about 50 x 100 and I remember there were many honey bees in the yard on the dasies etc, 45 years ago. But now I live in the country 30 acres and have NEVER seen a honey bee untill I got my hive a few months ago. We also have a wildflower garden NO honeybees. The beekeepers that USED to have hives all lost them to the mite and I cant find anyone withen 40 miles with a hive, although there must be some somewhere. Larry rosie wrote in message <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I don't know about other parts of the world. I can only comment on my own back yard. I live in the country and until just about five years ago, I couldn't walk across my yard barefoot (I hate shoes) without being stung by a honeybee. I knew they were honeybees because they always left their stingers. That was the full extent of my knowledge about honeybees. I had a wonderful garden and my cucumbers were extremely plentiful. Then the next summer nothing grew well. The third summer I noticed all kinds of other bees but no honeybees. Most people I talk to haven't seen a honeybee in a long, long time but have only just realized it. I started beekeeping last spring and now have a grand total of eight hives, but have only just begun seeing honey bees in my flowerbeds or working the clover in my lawn. What I find especially frightening is that there are actually children around here who have never seen a honeybee except as a cartoon character. I hope you are right and there are still abundant feral colonies, but regardless, I intend, the good Lord willing, to keep honeybees for as long as I'm able to tend them. Article 14037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk ("MICHAEL HURLEY") Subject: Re: Bee Hive Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <17FBD9596S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:38:45 GMT Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14037 > In article > <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnew > s.net> > "Busy Knight" writes: > > > > >>Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting > >stung? > > Best way to get rid of a wasp's nest is to spray with a weak solution of Malathiom (as uses for blackfly on roses). The nest will soak up the solution and all brood will be destroyed. But it will take a week or more. > However, we still have not established what kind of bees these are. > Most guesses have been towards some sort of wasp/hornet nest. Remove of > the nest may be as easy as slipping a garbage bag over/around the nest, > sealing the garbage bag up, cutting off the branch and sticking the > whole nest in the freezer. There are many alternatives to chemical > pesticides. > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: 31 Aug 1998 15:01:10 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 44 Message-ID: <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14038 rosie wrote in article <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... snip > I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's > basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. > They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time > being.) > There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health > problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never > know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its > course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, > while poor susceptible honeybees die. snip That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the problem. Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing "resistant bees" you can already buy. The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of resistant Apis mellifera. How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, peacefullness, development after winter ..... We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. The Varroa - Mellifera problem is man-made and we cure the symptoms. If you want to think in human health dimensions? -Most of our health problems are also man-made and we need to cure the symptoms. Real solutions in both cases are hard and maybe impossible and would cost a lot of lives. Thats the reality, even if we don't like it. U.H. Article 14039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wayne Gordon Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:13:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 904785109 207.181.79.143 (Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:11:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:11:49 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14039 Today, I inspected the bee hives, got within 10 feet, and smelt foul odour. It smelt rather fermented. The bees are currently bringing in golden rod. I was wondering if the goldenrod gives off this smell? The bees seem quite contented. Anyone with information would be appreciated. Article 14040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 02:35:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14040 I don't know if it is goldenrod or aster but it smells that way here when the goldenrod is blooming. Don't see many bees actually working goldenrod -many more working Japanese Knotweed (locals call it bamboo) here in SE CT. Article 14041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998090302401200.WAA07612@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 02:40:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35ec76c5.49846375@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14041 I use 1 gallon ziplock bags After they are placed on the inner cover an empty super goes on and the bag gets one slit about 4-5 inches long. If you are carefull you can put your finger in the slit and pull the bag up while refilling it from a watering can or jar. Put the cover back on top of the empty super. Article 14042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:22:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 90 Message-ID: <6sl21h$1ae$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:22:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14042 In article <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca>, "Ulli Hoeger" wrote: >rosie wrote (with part snipped off): > > There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health > > problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never > > know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its > > course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, > > while poor susceptible honeybees die. > snip > > That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were > Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of > Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All > treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the > problem. Very true. Trick is that completely "letting nature take its course ain't economically viable as you later point out. But there is a workable way around that too. > Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant > or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from > commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And > the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing > "resistant bees" you can already buy. As I have repeatedly stated - NO strains of economically Varroa resistant Apis mellifera bees are yet known to exist - this includes our own strain which does show some but not an economic level of resistance to date - yes we have breeder colonies that are indeed economically resistant but not enough of their naturally mated daughters are at this point and time - it is a complex genetic puzzle. There are however HUGE differences in levels of susceptibility amongst unselected strains - some being what we call "mite magnets." > The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of > beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of > resistant Apis mellifera. Very true but there is a way to breed for Varroa resistance that does not leave the majority of your colonies untreated. > How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, > peacefullness, development after winter ..... > We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, > because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of > years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. We in the Honeybee Improvement Program ARE however selecting for THRIVING survival WITHOUT ANY mite treatment of any kind - not any treatment for either mite and that includes NO extender patties since the grease has some negative effect on the tracheal mites. We don't care to watch legions of hives die either - yet we KNOW that we must sacrifice some if we are ever going to give Nature a chance to work out the genetic solution that we hope will allow us off the chemical dependency cycle most hives are currently on. Each of our Cooperators picks out the VERY best of his/her own colonies each year and takes them to a Untreated HIP test yard which they maintain. After the first winter the scraggly weak ones are weeded out - the dead are also removed - after the second winter IF they also produced that second above average honey crop AND are really STRONG come Spring despite being Untreated now for two years then we determine the best way to use them in our Cooperative breeding program which incorporates the use of AI (or II if you prefer). This allows the HIP test colonies to be selected out of several thousand colonies of bees and yet leaves but a small percentage in any given year at risk via being left untreated. The total risk is spread out via cooperation and we don't recieve any government funding leaving our hands free to do what we feel is most beneficial. For those in the USA we encourage you to pitch in and help us. For those outside the USA we due to regulations cannot cooperate much with you but via sharing of information. We do encourage you to set up your own cooperative breeding programs however and actively help make economic resistance to Varroa and its associated diseases a reality. Jack Griffes Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ jack_griffes At hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:39:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 84 Message-ID: <6sahi9$73p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 30 03:39:53 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14043 In article <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:47:53 -0500, Larry Williard > wrote: > > > Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and > >varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in > >captivity. > > Hi Larry, > > The problem is that one small study was reported on a few years ago > that may or may not have been valid and it was picked up by newspapers > and repeated by many who should have known better and became the so > called scientific truth. It never was the truth and in fact feral > hives or the number of feral hives is the function of the number of > kept hives and the environment they are kept in. Good environmental > conditions have returned to much of the United States and feral > populations are in fact on the increase as kept hives and feral hives > swarm. Some urban areas report 300% more swarm calls then in the past > few years. Around here in MI which pre-mite was feral bee heaven there still is a continuing dearth of feral bees. Prior to mites feral hives that made the first winter were very likely to continue to survive for many years - well it ain't that way no more (at least for now). Swarm calls hereabouts continue to be WAY down compared to pre-mite levels. > Honey bee swarms conjugate to certain areas as drone do, no one knows > why and many have guessed everything from air currents, magnetic > fields, and you name it. So these areas have more feral hives. Some of > these areas may be in the middle of a city, in any case in one report > that predicted the end to a feral honey bee populations when the > number of hives continued to be reduced over a period of years has now > has reported an fifteen fold increase to numbers never recorded > before. Of course if there were zero and it went up to fifteen you would have a fifteeen fold increase EVEN IF the same area may have had 50-150 feral colonies in pre-mite days. And realize most places didn't take census of feral colonies in pre-mite days as they just took the bees in the woods as a fact of life not to be worried over. Perhaps that explains the "to numbers NEVER recorded before"???? > Honey bees have never disappeared from any area of the world that can > support them, (has honey bee pasture), once they have been introduced > and that includes many places that are considered to be hostile > environments by man. Odd - Europeans in a number of locales report zero multiple year feral colonies in the very areas where several Apis mellifera races call home. Obviously if you look at whole countries honeybees didn't disappear totally but if you look at prime feral bee areas in the very homeland of a given race and you see NO multiple year feral colonies then perhaps there actually is a problem. We still get growers hereabouts that used to depend totally on feral bees for pollination noticing a dearth of bees - how about one hundred acres of squash blossoms and not one honeybee seen until some were moved in for pollination. I reckon I should go tell the poor fella he needs RK something awful. The cherry trees at our farm bore virtually NO cherries a couple years in a row prior to our purchase according to the prior owner. Once we brought a yard of bees here the trees were LOADED - must have been a mere coincidence I reckon - especially with all the woods (feral honeybee housing) behind us since there are a goodly number of beekeepers within a few miles of here. Now Andy your thesis of abundant feral colonies may be perfectly correct out there - I couldn't tell ya - but as I have pointed out before it flat ain't that way here - come have a look-see for yourself if ya wish. Jack Griffes Onsted, MI -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998090303265900.XAA14812@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 03:26:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14044 From: Wayne Gordon Anderson <> Yup. Some people stoutly maintain that it's asters that smell, but the odor always appears around here before asters bloom. Makes a nice spicy honey, when it's finished off. BTW, the odor is a great bear attractant, if you have any around....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost Queen?? Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:56:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6sl428$5hd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:56:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14045 In article <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > I recently had a queenless hive with no eggs or brood. I transfered 2 > frames of eggs and brood from another hive and they raised a queen just > fine. I checked after a couple of weeks so I know she was there. After a > couple more weeks, no queen, eggs or brood could be found. I then checked > the hive right next to it and found a new queen in there (the old one was > marked) but no evidence of supercedure cells. Is it possible that this > queen that the queenless hive raised returned from her mating flight to the > wrong hive and killed the old marked queen? YES!!! We have released marked virgins into mating nucs (and also marked the nucs) only to find the little devils all nice and marked and laying in completely different nucs (or colonies when fool enough to have colonies near mating nucs) after they mated. One now dead and gone HIP breeder queen with some very good attributes had quite a high percentage of her daughters pulling this undesirable stunt on one of our Cooperators during one batch (environmental conditions are an obvious potential) - he marked the virgins he released with a distinctive color only used on them - he is still finding these queens in colonies he KNOWS he did not put them in. And yes it has happened to me as well. VERY disheartening to find queenless nucs especially when the cause becomes so clear. > I have introduced 3 more frames of eggs and brood to the still queenless > hive. There was no evidence of a laying worker after about 6 - 8 weeks of > being queenless. More than likely they ain't actually been queenless that long then. Do they have a queen that can't fly due to shrivelled up wings?? (usually they would try to make her fly and thus lose her) >This leaves me to wonder: 1) how long does it take for a > hive to develop laying workers only a couple weeks normally - truly queenless >and 2) will a hopelessly queenless hive > always develop laying workers. always???? generally YES - and actually it ain't impossible for laying workers to exist in good strong queenright colonies Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: APIMONDIA '99 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:00:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 162 Message-ID: <6sl498$68u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 04:00:40 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14046 this appeared on BeeBreed - thought it would interest the folks on sci.agriculture.beekeeping - in multiple languages ==================== Greetings,Attached you will find the next press release relating to the Apimondia'99 congress to be held in Vancouver, Canada, 12-18September, 1999. We are working on a large press package that may go out sometime in the next month. This is intended for editors of journals, and will provide you with much information concerning Vancouver and the plans for Apimondia'99. Thanks for your continuing interest. Hope to see you in Vancouver ina year! Gard W. Otis and Fran KayPromotion Committee ********************************************************************** APIMONDIA'99 OFFERS GREAT TOURISMOPPORTUNITIES Vancouver, Canada, in addition to being the site of the Apimondia'99 world beekeeping congress, has just been voted the "1998 Best International Destination." Located on Canada's west coast, Vancouver was recently awarded this distinction by the North American Travel Journalists Association (NATJA). "Its mix of water and mountain scenery, hospitality, hotels, and attractions, and its proximity to other great destinations like Victoria, Whistler ski resort, and Seattle all influence its appeal," says Dan Schlossberg, President, NATJA. It was previously voted one of the 10 best destinations for travel by Cond‚ Nast Travelermagazine. Vancouver offers something for everyone. Because of its relatively mild climate, Vancouver has numerous botanical gardens in modern to traditional Chinese and Japanese designs, all with a spectacular mountain backdrop. Only a short walk from the Apimondia congress, Stanley Park combines gardens with natural habitats, a perfect setting for its famed Vancouver Aquarium and many kilometres of trails that can be explored on foot or rented bicycle.Vancouver is alive with activities. In mid-September, Apimondia'99 will share the city with the hundreds of shows from the Vancouver Theatre Festival. Take in native arts at the Vancouver Museum or Museum of Anthropology, and international art at the Vancouver Art Gallery. Music performances range from classical to alternative, with everything in between. Young and old alike will enjoy the 5-storey wraparound IMAX Theatre and Science World. And of course, there are lively shopping districts, including the antique and native art shops of old Vancouver, the underground 4-block long Pacific Center Mall, and the always fascinating Robson street where the diversity of Vancouver's people can be seen at any time of day or night. The city can serve as your base for day trips to fish for salmon and other sport fish, watch whales, cross the thrilling Capilano Suspension Bridge, roll through forests and rock cliffs on the restored antique Royal Hudson steam train, or journey in a ski lift to the top of Grouse Mountain overlooking the city. A cruise of Vancouver harbor at sunset is a wonderful way to end the day. There won't be much snow to experience in September at the world-reknowned Whistler Ski Resort, but the beauty of the mountains is worth the trip! And of course, within a few hours drive are many famous mountain parks in the Canadian Rockies and North Cascades Mountains. Visitors to Vancouver are always impressed by its safe, clean, and friendly nature. Considering its spectacular waterfront setting, its mountainous panoramas, the international atmosphere of its people and restaurants, and the relatively high value of foreign currencies relative to the Canadian dollar, it is not surprising that tourists flock here from throughout the world. Come to Apimondia'99 and you will experience a world-class beekeeping congress in a world-class city: Vancouver! To receive more information, check the website at http://www.apimondia99.ca. To receive the 2nd circular with meeting details, contact Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; Fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ********************************************************************** Press Release #4: 1 de septiembre, 1998 Apimondia'99 Ofrece Grandes Oportunidades Tur¡sticas Vancouver, Canada, adem s de ser el lugar donde se realizar Apimondia'99, ha sido elegida como el "Mejor Destino Internacional de 1998." Vancouver, ubicado en la costa oeste de Canada, fu‚ recientemente premiada con esta distinci¢n por la Asociaci¢n de Viaje de Periodistas Norte Americana (AVPNA). "La combinaci¢n del mer cerca de las monta¤as, la hospitalidad de la gente, los buenos hoteles, y la proximidad a otras atracciones como Victoria, la estaci¢n de esqu¡ Whistler, y Seattle dan a Vancouver su caracter attractivo," dij¢ Dan Schlossberg, Presidente de AVPNA. Vancouver fu‚ previamente elegida como uno de los diez mejores destinos de viaje por la revista Cond‚ Nast Traveler. Vancouver ofrece algo para todos. Por su clima relativemente templado, Vancouver cuenta con numerosos jardines bot nicos de modernos dise¤os, como tambi‚n con los tradicionales dise¤os chinos y japoneses, todos con una espectacular vista de monta¤as. Solamente a unos cuantos pasos del congreso de Apimondia'99, se encuentra el Parque Stanley que es una mezcla de jardines con naturales habitats, un lugar ideal para su famoso Aquario Vancouver y senderos de muchos kil¢metros los cuales pueden ser recorridos a pie o en bicicleta alquilada. Vancouver esta llena de actividades. A mediados de septiembre, Apimondia'99 compartir la ciudad con los cientos de presentaciones del Festival de Teatro de Vancouver. Podr n apreciar el arte nativo en el Museo de Vancouver o el Museo de Antropolog¡a, y el arte internacional ser expuesto en la Galeria de Arte de Vancouver. Tambi‚n habr n funciones musicales que varian de lo cl sico a lo alternativo. Viejos y jovenes conjuntamente disfrutar n del teatro de 5-pisos IMAX y el Mundo de la Ciencia. Y por supuesto hay diferentes centros comerciales, incluyendo las tiendas de antiguedades y de arte nativo del viejo Vancouver, el mall subterr neo de cuatro cuadras Pacific Center, y la siempre fascinante calle de Robson donde la diversidad de la gente de Vancouver puede ser apreciada tanto de d¡a como de noche. La ciudad puede servirle como su base de viajes de d¡a para pescar salm¢n y otros pescados de deporte, ver ballenas, cruzar el electrizante Puente de Suspenci¢n Capilano, pasear a trav‚s de los bosques y los riscos de las rocas en el antiguo ahora renovado tren a vapor Royal Hudson, o viajar en el ascensor de esquiar a la cima de la Monta¤a Grouse para admirar la ciudad desde lo alto. Un crucero por el puerto y las orillas de Vancouver a la puesta del sol es una maravillosa forma de terminar el d¡a. No habr mucha nieve para ver en septiembre en el mundialmente reconocido estaci¢n de esqu¡ Whistler, pero la belleza de sus monta¤as hacen que este viaje sea invaluable. Y por supuesto a pocas horas en carro se encuentran los famosos Parques Nacionales Banff y Jasper en las Monta¤as Rockies. Los turistas que visitan Vancouver siempre quedan impresionados de la seguridad, limpieza, y la amigable naturaleza de esta ciudad. Teniendo en consideraci¢n sus espectaculares costas, sus panoramas monta¤osos, el ambiente internacional de su gente y restaurantes, y el relativo alto valor de la moneda extranjera comparada al dolar canadiense, no es sorpresa quebandadas de turistas de todo el mundo visiten Vancouver. ­Participe en Apimondia'99 y usted tendr la experiencia de un congreso apicultural de clase mundial en una ciudad de clasemundial--Vancouver! Para obtener m s informaci¢n, visitenos a nuestra p gina a: http//www.vancouver99.ca. Para recibir la segunda circular con los detalles de la reuni¢n, contactese con Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC V6B 5C6, Canada; FAX: (604) 681-2503; correo electr¢nico:congress@venuewest.com ****************************************************************** APIMONDIA'99: PRESS RELEASE #4: 1 September, 1998 Die APIMONDIA'99 bietet erstklassige Reisegelegenheitenund Attraktionen Die Stadt Vancouver in Canada ist nicht nur der Austellungsort der Apimondia'99, des Welt Kongressess der Imkerei, sondern hat auch gerade den Titel "1998 Best International Destination"errungen. An der Westkste Kanada's gelegen, Vancouver ist krzlich mit diesem Titel, den die Vereinigung der nordamerikanischen Reisejournalisten (North American Travel Journalists Association (NATJA)) vergibt, pr„sentiert worden. "Die richtige Mischung von Wasser, Bergen, Gastfreundschaft, Hotels, und Attraktionen, sowie die N„he zu anderen Orten wie Victoria, das Whistler Ski Gebiet und Seattle pr„gen die Anziehungskraft Vancouvers" sagt Dan Schlossberg der Pr„sident der NATJA. Vancouver hat, bedingt durch das relativ milde Klima, viele Botanische G„rten in modernen bis zu traditionellen chinesischen und japanischen Designs. Ganz in der N„he des Apimondia Kongressess liegt der Stanley Park. Eine Kombination von natrlichen G„rten, dem berhmten Vancouver Aquarium und vielen Kilometern Wanderwegen die zu Fuss oder per gemietetem Fahrrad zu erkunden sind. Mitte September ist eine der Zeiten, wenn Vancouver vor Leben und Aktivt„ten sprht. Die Apimondia'99 wird die Stadt mit hunderten von Shows des Vancouver Theater Festivals teilen. Das Vancouver Museum oder das anthropologische Museum, und internationale Kunst in der Vancouver Kunstgallerie bieten etwas fr jeden Geschmack. Musikveranstaltungen rangieren von klassischer bis zu alternativer Musik, sowie alles dazwischenliegende. Jung und alt werden am 5-etagigen IMAX Theater und Science World Gefallen finden . Natrlich sind da lebendige Einkaufsstrassen mit Antik- und Eingeborenenkunstshops im alten Vancouver, die Untergrund Pacific Center Mall, und natrlich die faszinierende Robson Street, wo die Verschiedenheit der Einwohner Vancouver's zum Ausdruckkomm. Die Stadt kann als Basis fr Tagesausflge zum angeln von Lachs oder anderen Fischen dienen, ausserdem sind Wale gesehen worden. Oder berqueren Sie die aufregende Capilano Suspenion Brcke, oder nehmen Sie den restaurierten, antiken Royal Hudson Dampfzug durch Waelder und steinigen Kliffs, oder nehmen Sie den Skilift zum Gipfel des Grouse Mountain, der einen Ausblick auf die Stadt bietet. Eine Schiffahrt durch den Hafen Vancouvers im Sonnenuntergang ist ein wunderbarer Weg den Tag zu beenden. Im Whistler Ski Resort wird wahrscheinlich nicht viel Schnee im September zu erwarten sein, aber die Schoenheit der Berge ist die Reise wert! Ausserdem sind Sie in einigen Stunden in den berhmten Parks der kanadischen Rockies und der North CascadesMountains. Besucher Vancouver's sind immer wieder beeindruckt ber die Sicherheit, Sauberkeit, und Freundlichkeit der Stadt. Touristen aus der ganzen Welt werden von der spektakul„ren Wasserfront, dem Bergischen Panorama und der internationalen Atmosph„re der Menschen und Restaurants, sowie dem guten Stand der anderen W„hrungen im Vergleich zum kanadischen Dollar, angezogen. Kommen Sie zur Apimondia'99 und Sie werden einen erstklassigen Imker Kongress in einer Weltklasse Stadt:Vancouver! Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca. Um das zweite Rundschreiben, welches detallierte Informationen ber alle Aspekte des XXXVI Internationalen Kongreá - Apimondia'99 enthalten wird, wenden Sie sich bitte an:Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services #645-375 Water Street, Vancouver, B.C., KANADA V6B 5C6 FAX: 604-681-2503, email: < congress@venuewest.com > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Lines: 48 Message-ID: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 06:04:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14047 >Another mite treatment that was discussed involved a small amount of >tobacco in the smoker. In all my book learnin' and internet surfin' I >don't think I've ever come across that bit of wisdom. If anyone out >there has info on that method I'd sure like to hear more. In Sammataro and Avitabile's *The Beekeeper's Handbook* 3rd edition (Comstock division of Cornell U. Press, 1998) there is a description of this method on page 142. They describe it both as a detection method and as a stopgap treatment only for use when it is impossible to treat with Apistan. Their suggestion for the detection method is 1 ounce of pipe tobacco in the hive smoker, puff bees 6-10 times, close hive for 10-20 minutes. The bottom board is to be covered with a "sticky board" (covered by mesh or hardware cloth to keep the bees out of it) onto which the mites will fall and be stuck, allowing the beekeeper to count fallen mites in order to assess the level of infestation. The stopgap treatment method is less precisely described. In fact, S & A only say: "Tobacco smoke (or wheat flour sprinkled on adult bees) knocks mites off bees, thus lowering their numbers. Use this if you have supered for honey. Smoke the colony heavily, or dust bees lightly with flour (being careful not to get flour into uncapped brood cells). Insert sticky boards to catch the mites. This is an emergency treatment only, for when you cannot use strips. Repeat in one week, because it will not affect mites in brood cells." James E. Tew in an article in *Bee Culture* in July of last year mentioned that tobacco was the fuel for early hive smokers. Have we found a reasonable (or compelling) reason to return to that pattern? Or not? Does anyone know what effect tobacco smoke has on the bees? (Not that I expect them to get lung cancer in their short lives.) And, as easily as tobacco smoke odor permeates the clothing of a nonsmoker in a room of smokers, and as long as the absorbed odor lingers, for example, does it really do nothing to the quality of the honey in the supers? And, if we use tobacco smoke regularly through the summer, do mites become resistant to it as they do to the stronger stuff when it's used wrong? Any *evidence* one way or the other about tobacco and bees/honey beyond what Sammataro and Avitabile say? paul ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources re Russian bees? Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:42:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6sl376$4bk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:42:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14048 In article <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com>, kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) wrote: > Would someone please direct me to the most reliable print sources concerning > the Russian bees being talked about recently? > > pko The supposed idea behind importing Russian bees from that particular area is that they have lived with Varroa there for longer that most anywhere else - something like 40-50 years - claims of no treatment in the area are made but perhaps they don't consider something a treatment which actually is. There has been some info in Amercian Bee Journal over the past couple years - primarily about the USDA taking trips over to look at them initially and now that they have imported them little will likely be said until the data of their tests are in. If they follow YUGO protocol they will pick out some HIGHLY susceptible stock to test them against - hmmm - I wonder why they don't test things against the most resistant stock available in the USA?. At release time expect a BIG media blitz. Then if you decide to try them out please give them a limited initial test as unless they learned something via YUGO the Russian bees may not have actually been tested for important traits of economic value - such as high fecundity - large cluster size - good combining ability - honey producing zeal and so forth. As to reliability of print sources - hmmm - since the USDA controls all the importation and also all the testing and also produces the media blitz to promote them at release time - hmmm - and since the USDA currently has a basic monopoly on legal bee importations and thus a vested interest in making an occasional stock release of some imported stock or other - hmmm - I guess you will have to judge that one for yourself. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRazKnA03ICRi7s2aMMnIqlL50XkQIUdLcdUUtxQZnmi2T4q3PbE5EsDVU= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14049 Please don't share your views with the powers that be over healthcare in this country. It just might set them to thinking. Why would they want to waste their time and our money saving the sick. Just set back and wait, stop research, and why waste all that vaccine against small pox, polio, flu, etc. In time the weak will disappear and the strong will survive. At least until another killer bacteria comes out of the jungle. I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time being.) There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, while poor susceptible honeybees die. Article 14050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Gabe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on Moving bees Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:07:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6sbo9g$omi@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trn-nj2-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 30 7:40:48 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14050 Hello, I am a new beekeeper and live in New Jersey. I started a 3 pound swarm this spring and it has grown very nicely. The Honey flow is coming to an end. I am planning to move them this fall to a place thats about 1 1/2 hours away. I am not sure when it is best to move them and how. Can anyone send suggestions on how to move them without over heating them or otherwise causing them harm. Thanks Gabe shriker@ix.netcom.com Article 14051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Moeller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:50:11 -0500 Organization: NORAN Instruments, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35EE9E93.AC1C1286@noran.com> References: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zuul.noran.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14051 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed to me. Working with my Dad (the late Dr. Floyd E. Moeller, research apiculturist for the USDA and a pioneer in research on Foulbrood diseases of honeybees) years ago, I had opportunity to experience the odor several times -- a kind of sour stink in the advanced stages, unlike the more pleasant and mild aroma from normal brood. If it is Foulbrood, you will notice a rather inconsistent brood chamber, kind of mottled looking, with perhaps some honey and/or pollen cells mixed in (healthy brood combs should contain no honey or pollen.) Anyway, just a thought. I could be wrong (usually am.) -- Timothy Moeller --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Timothy Moeller Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Timothy Moeller n: Moeller;Timothy org: NORAN Instruments adr: 2551 West Beltline Hwy.;;;Middleton;WI;53562;USA email;internet: tmoeller@noran.com title: Senior Software Engineer tel;work: (608) 836-4119 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08-- Article 14052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: 3 Sep 1998 14:12:05 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bdd744$cf852780$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14052 Kashimori wrote in article <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com>... -snip- > Does anyone know what effect tobacco smoke has on the bees? (Not that I expect > them to get lung cancer in their short lives.) And, as easily as tobacco smoke > odor permeates the clothing of a nonsmoker in a room of smokers, and as long as > the absorbed odor lingers, for example, does it really do nothing to the > quality of the honey in the supers? And, if we use tobacco smoke regularly > through the summer, do mites become resistant to it as they do to the stronger > stuff when it's used wrong? If you use pipe tobacco regulary in your smoker you'll get all the good stuff smokers love in your hives and if somebody examines your honey and wax he will find nicotine, taar and all the other "healthy" ingredients. I don't think that the bees care what kind of plant stuff you burn to produce smoke. Burn what ever you want, but keep in mind that it will bounce back in honey, wax and other bee products. BTW In fact tobacco was used in the past at least in European beekeeping to produce smoke. But since a few years tobacco is vanished from the catalogs of suppliers. That was the time when they started to scan honey more frequently for residues. mainly varroa treatment stuff in mind. Ulli Article 14053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:21:57 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 28 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.45 Message-ID: <6smn5t$bo6$1@news.vic.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> <35EDEE73.EB077D02@access.mountain.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14053 Herschel: I live in south Alabama. Cant find queen today marked or not, but still finding plenty of eggs, capped brood, uncapped brood, all stages. I decided to put an excluder between the boxes and introduce the new queen to the upper box which had capped and uncapped brood but no eggs, I dont think they swarmed, but am pretty sure they are queen cells. Couldnt find the marked queen in front of the hive either. Larry Herschel Shamblin wrote in message <35EDEE73.EB077D02@access.mountain.net>... >Larry, > If you have a hatched queen cell your marked queen is probably >gone.Could they have swarmed and you missed capturing them? If not the young >queen has killed the marked queen.Sometimes you can look on the ground in front >of the hive and find the dead queen.I do not know what part of the country you >live in but here in West Virginia we would never split a hive this late in the >year,they would not be strong enough to survive the winter > Herschel. > Article 14054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2-queen hives overwintering? Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:08:19 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14054 In article <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) writes: >From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) >Subject: 2-queen hives overwintering? >Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:25 GMT >Just another quick question - >Does anyone know if a dual-queen hive over-winters well? Seems to me >that one of the queens (separated by an excluder) might easily get >'gyped' and get a smaller number of bees to form the winter cluster (I >assume there are two clusters). You do have to separate the two queens with a board. If the bees have the possibility to gather with one of the queens they will do, after you have finished feeding you also have stop the bees possibility to move from one queen to the other on top of the frames. Knut Article 14055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:46:08 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <35ec76c5.49846375@news.earthlink.net> <1998090302401200.WAA07612@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust242.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 3 19:48:54 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14055 How long can you keep the syrup in the bag before it goes bad???? Article 14056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Question on Moving bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6sbo9g$omi@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <01bdd476$39cb5be0$8c10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:29:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.16.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 904523399 204.186.16.140 (Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:29:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:29:59 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14056 Move them in the early spring if possible, perhaps late march if the weather breaks a little. It'll be cool then. Screen the entrance and wrap duct tape around the entire hive in both directions. Also, in the spring the hive will be the lightest that it will be all year. Move them at night when all the bees are present and accounted for. Wear your veil when you remove the screen. Article 14057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998090404513700.AAA10002@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 04:51:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17FC6970AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14057 >>"Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed >>to me.... >> -- Timothy Moeller >I think this is a rather alarmist, hip shot diagnosis of what was >originally described. The original posted stated that he smells the >odor a good distance from his hives without opening them up. Tim may >have a much better olfactory organ than I, but I cannot smell AFB without >sticking my nose into infected brood and certainly cannot smell AFB In all due respect, any trained nose can smell AFB from a considerable distance away, actually, even an untrained nose can smell AFB from a considerable distance away! In reference to olfactory sense being more developed, if you cannot pick up on the smell, you might want to get checked by an MD...this AFB stench is STRONG! Just a thought... Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 14058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dugan1@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did I hear piping? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:38:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6scuq1$omf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.204.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 31 01:38:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.241.204.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14058 I had my one and only hive open today down to the bottom hive body, and heard a sound coming from down within the lower hive body. It seemed to emanate from the lower portion of one of the center frames. It sounded just like a sound I remember from an old Atari-era video game, and "beeped" 6 to 10 times at a frequency of about 2 per second, then quit. This repeated about 1-2 minutes later. Not terribly loud, but clearly audible over the hum of the bees. A bit like the sound of a (U.S.) garbage truck backing up, but not as high-pitched, nor as loud, and with more of a buzz to the sound. I remember reading that a newly-emerged queen will start "piping" to see if there's a response from another newly-emerged or soon-to-emerge queen, so she can locate and kill the competition. Is this what I heard in my hive today? If so, does this mean my hive has undergone or is undergoing supersedure? I did not see queen cells on the frames I inspected in either hive body, but I only looked at about half of them (didn't think about searching all frames for Q cells until all was closed back up). I was surprised how little brood I saw on the frames I did inspect - spotty pattern filling about 1/3 to 1/2 of the inner frames in the top hive body, almost no brood in the bottom hive body. I also didn't think to look for eggs until too late. There was also less honey than I expected to see. If not supersedure, could this be a sign of imminent swarming? The hive has been a bit crowded since I extracted in July, and even with a new super of undrawn foundation on, now that goldenrod is starting to bloom, the entire front of the lower hive body is usually covered with bees when the foragers are home. As I mentioned, goldenrod is just starting here in northeast Tennessee, at about 2000 ft. elevation. If this is a supersedure, does this mean I will miss most or all of the fall honey crop? What about hive strength for the winter? If hive survival is at risk, should I feed syrup to the large population of bees alive now, to build up witner stores? If the hive survives the winter, would it mean I would not necessarily need to re-queen next fall (assuming 2nd-year requeening)? Thanks in advance from a 1st year beekeeper-wannabe. I posted via deja-news to avoid spam, but if you prefer to reply to me directly, use dugan1#usit.net, but replace the # with a @. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sources re Russian bees? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:02:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14059 Would someone please direct me to the most reliable print sources concerning the Russian bees being talked about recently? pko ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@see.below (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:51:36 GMT Message-ID: <35eaf445.21152775@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-71.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-71.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14060 On 31 Aug 1998 15:01:10 GMT, "Ulli Hoeger" wrote: > > >rosie wrote in article ><7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >snip >> I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's >> basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. >> They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time >> being.) >> There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health >> problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never >> know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its >> course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, >> while poor susceptible honeybees die. >snip > >That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were >Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of >Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All >treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the >problem. >Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant >or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from >commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And >the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing >"resistant bees" you can already buy. >The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of >beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of >resistant Apis mellifera. >How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, >peacefullness, development after winter ..... >We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, >because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of >years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. >The Varroa - Mellifera problem is man-made and we cure the symptoms. > >If you want to think in human health dimensions? -Most of our health >problems are also man-made and we need to cure the symptoms. >Real solutions in both cases are hard and maybe impossible and would cost a >lot of lives. > >Thats the reality, even if we don't like it. > >U.H. It would seem that the 'hobby' beekeeper is probably in a better position to look for 'cures'... but where does the money, the time, and the numbers of bees to experiment on, come from? More co-operation, and exchange of ideas? Yes, clearly, but pressure on governments is needed, too, to encourage them to fund research, which after all, is vital, if they are to have any kind of agricultral policy, and indeed, agriculture! -- jaf@jaf.nildramDELETETHIS.co.uk Smoke 'em if ya gottem, if ya ain't gottem then ya hit rock bottom. Article 14061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.newengland.verio.net!news.pn.com!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Imker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Homepage is Update Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bdd45d$f54615e0$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: pf-net-host-80.seitz.de X-Trace: goof.de.uu.net 904593477 17264 193.155.171.80 (31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@de.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14061 Hi, My new Homepage is in Internet wish you at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/MMarbach Thanks Article 14062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.newengland.verio.net!news.pn.com!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Imker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Meine neue Homepage Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bdd45e$3d32ddc0$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: pf-net-host-80.seitz.de X-Trace: goof.de.uu.net 904593479 17264 193.155.171.80 (31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@de.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14062 Hallo, Meine neue Homepage mit Bienen infos und ein paar Bilder schau mal vorbei: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/MMarbach Danke und viel Spass Article 14063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998083120315200.QAA27877@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:31:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14063 Try the direct approach at http://members.aol.com/beetools Ron Bennett, Luckimaute Bee Article 14064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lost Queen?? Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:47:20 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.142 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14064 I recently had a queenless hive with no eggs or brood. I transfered 2 frames of eggs and brood from another hive and they raised a queen just fine. I checked after a couple of weeks so I know she was there. After a couple more weeks, no queen, eggs or brood could be found. I then checked the hive right next to it and found a new queen in there (the old one was marked) but no evidence of supercedure cells. Is it possible that this queen that the queenless hive raised returned from her mating flight to the wrong hive and killed the old marked queen? I have introduced 3 more frames of eggs and brood to the still queenless hive. There was no evidence of a laying worker after about 6 - 8 weeks of being queenless. This leaves me to wonder: 1) how long does it take for a hive to develop laying workers and 2) will a hopelessly queenless hive always develop laying workers. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 14065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:12:51 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35EB3BA9.403B@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904598021 VRL06/YYI30BBCDBDC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14065 Hi All, How long can Apistan be stored? And how should it be stored? Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998090413381100.JAA02618@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 13:38:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14066 >How long can you keep the syrup in the bag before it goes bad???? > > hmm, i'd say if they haven't emptied it within a week they didn't need it any way. usually if there is a flow on they'll take the natural over food you give them unless your sugar content is WAY higher than your local nectar Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible Varroa Predator Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1998090414010900.KAA04406@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 14:01:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14067 Greetings all ! I'd like to take a moment to share an experiance with you in hopes of many replies. I do on the average 2 - 7 colony removals each summer. I have noticed an interesting thing. In almost every colony, whether inside a wall, in a barn, in a tree or inside a tar barrel , there were of course a large number of varroa present as is to be expected in untreated colonies. BUT.... This year three of those colonies had almost no varroa present ( i cant swear to it but i'm almost sure one had none at all ) Now all of this summers colonies were identical in every way, so to speak..essentialy same area, weather, food sources, types of wood ..etc , except for one almost overlooked item. The 3 colonnies with no mites had house guests in the form of large very bright red roaches. I've seen wood roaches before in ferral hives of course but these guys were larger and when i say red i mean they were almost blood red. The bees totally ignored the roaches and i even saw one up on the comb instead of down in the bottom area where they usually hang out. Now my question is this.... Could our little pests have been discovered to be tastey morsels by natures garbage men ? Lets all take a few to think this one out, please copy this and pass it around, if you happen to be in FLA, send it to lawrence cutts, if near one of the labs give it to em. I'm gonna try and find me some of those red roaches, and a colony eat up with varroa , capture a handful of bees and jar em and see if the roaches munch out. I'm in Lillington North Carolina, all the colonies were collected within 30 miles of here. Thanks Kevin Johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "örjan rudstedt" Subject: moving hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdd70c$71795b80$32f0f482@-rjan> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.244.240.50 X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 904929254 130.244.240.50 (Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:14:14 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:14:14 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-259810@dialup240-4-2.swipnet.se X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:14:14 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14068 Preparing my bees for the winter I have realized that one of my hives should be moved to a better place about 10 meters away. The place is better in many aspects , less windy more sunny ...The bees still are very activ during daytime. Could somebody tell me When is the best time to move a hive. I remember I did i before during winter but had a loss in that hive that I thougt was due to the transport. Grateful for every advice. Örjan Rudstedt http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41909 omnia semper nunc Article 14069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35F04276.348E7035@access.mountain.net> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:41:43 -0400 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. References: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> <35EE9E93.AC1C1286@noran.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.20.111 Lines: 39 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.20.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14069 If the bees are working Golden Rod you will notice a sour smell also not to pleasant.This is no danger to the bees. Herschel Tim Moeller wrote: > "Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed > to me. Working with my Dad (the late Dr. Floyd E. Moeller, research > apiculturist for the USDA and a pioneer in research on Foulbrood > diseases of honeybees) years ago, I had opportunity to experience the > odor several times -- a kind of sour stink in the advanced stages, > unlike the more pleasant and mild aroma from normal brood. If it is > Foulbrood, you will notice a rather inconsistent brood chamber, kind of > mottled looking, with perhaps some honey and/or pollen cells mixed in > (healthy brood combs should contain no honey or pollen.) Anyway, just a > thought. I could be wrong (usually am.) > > -- Timothy Moeller > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Timothy Moeller > Senior Software Engineer > NORAN Instruments > > Timothy Moeller > Senior Software Engineer > NORAN Instruments > 2551 West Beltline Hwy. Work: (608) 836-4119 > Middleton Netscape Conference Address > WI Netscape Conference DLS Server > 53562 > USA > Additional Information: > Last Name Moeller > First Name Timothy > Version 2.1 Article 14070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving hives Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998090419542700.PAA09305@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 19:54:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdd70c$71795b80$32f0f482@-rjan> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14070 > >Preparing my bees for the winter I have realized that one of my hives >should be moved to a better place about 10 meters away. >The place is better in many aspects , less windy more sunny ...The bees >still are very activ during daytime. >Could somebody tell me >When is the very simply put, move them no more than 3 feet each night. if they are observed going back to a previious point in the movement, move back to there and start over Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:14:07 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14071 I Guess either I should already know the answer or its a tough question. Larry Larry Williard wrote in message <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com>... > Remove the 9 from the address > > I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive >into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 >consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood >and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and >another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all >the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each >box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast help >in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. >Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in >the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was >easy to find. > > Thank you > `Larry > > Article 14072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:49:15 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6spjqs$pmv$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1998090413381100.JAA02618@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust89.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Fri Sep 4 13:50:36 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14072 What is a good ratio of sugar to water for this type of feeding? Article 14073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Static" Subject: Re: Varroa question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: InterZone Message-ID: <01bdd3cb$a4be5200$7b010dd0@static> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.1.123 Date: 30 Aug 98 04:19:21 GMT Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.13.0.3!news.glasscity.net!208.13.1.123 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14073 > Some of you might be wondering why I didn't contact USDA about these bees. > I did and never received a call back. I figure that with the Russian bees and all > findings bees with resistance in our back yard might cost somebody their job. > > Being a state bee inspector at the time I also reported it to my superiors at the > main office and never even got a return call from the boss? If you think that the > federal or state gov'ts give a damn about your bees you better think again. Ever considered trying to capture and breed these bees yourself? Could make you a millionaire. . . If the authorities are not interested, take the initiative and do yourself and the bee community a favor. If there are mite resistant bees, I imagine people would be happy to buy them. I know I would. Howard Article 14074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Plans Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:57:10 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35EA1106.6679@midwest.net> References: <35e8c882.2360800@news.kdsi.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904532404 .ZFUVYH4M1C1CD0EBC usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14074 Joe wrote: > > Does anybody have some simple plans for a hive? 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  --------------56F85925A320A4B71E885130-- Article 14077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998090511134200.HAA09753@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:13:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6spjqs$pmv$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14077 > >What is a good ratio of sugar to water for this type of feeding? > to promote brood production 1 part sugar 1 part water to add weight to the hives in the fall 2 parts sugar 1 part water Article 14078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998090511164400.HAA13141@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:16:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35F04276.348E7035@access.mountain.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14078 Stop do not panic foul smell with a hint of ammonia or a too wet compost smell would be time to do a close inspection for disease. goldenrod/aster has a strong smell not a rotten smell but it sure makes your heart race in the beeyard till you double check. Article 14079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Checkered beetles Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998090511185500.HAA09957@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:18:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14079 How many out there have noticed checkered beetles in the hive debris/corners? Article 14080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.155.48.9!news.binc.net!not-for-mail From: ann t schade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning used hives Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:11:58 -0700 Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: msn-10-31.binc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14080 We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? thanks in advance Ann Schade Article 14081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 03:12:06 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35EFBCF6.51A1@juno.com> References: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998090404434200.AAA09124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904915371 OCZ7E7JIA4FA8CDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14081 don't recall anyone on this thread mentioning that nicotine is toxic, and generally irritating, to bees as well as mites...regulating dosage on tobacco smoke can be tricky, there's a fine line between medicating and poisoning, so beeware! Article 14082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.icm.edu.pl!not-for-mail From: "unman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:27:26 +0200 Organization: home Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6st8qp$1ll$1@sunsite.icm.edu.pl> References: <6pm86k$rdi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-wct457.katowice.tpnet.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sunsite.icm.edu.pl 905062041 1717 195.205.241.157 (6 Sep 1998 06:07:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.icm.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 1998 06:07:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14082 I treated my colony with tabacco smoke in 1990. In 1991 I was with empty hives. After that I all the time cut almost all the drone cells out and very seldom I see varroa mites. In cuting out drone cells You see if varroa exist in Your hives and how is its intensity. Andrzej, Pole Article 14083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning used hives Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:34:50 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35F210EA.634@galstar.com> References: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14083 ann t schade wrote: > > We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for > some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. > They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the > rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? > > thanks in advance > > Ann Schade BOIL,BOIL,BOIL using a large pot (25gallons) BOIL Everything for 15-20 minutes. This all Takes Time. I told my partner if I attend another sale and purchase any more used bee equiptment, Woodenware, He was to put me out of his misery, shoot Me, please!!! It is better to start with or use New products. Cheaper in the long run also. lots of luck what ever you decide to do. gw Article 14084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1998090404434200.AAA09124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 04:43:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14084 >In Sammataro and Avitabile's *The Beekeeper's Handbook* 3rd edition (Comstock >division of Cornell U. Press, 1998) there is a description of this method on >page 142. Also see David De Jong's article "Mites: Varroa and other Pararsites of Brood," Chapter 14 in *Honey Bee Pests, Predators, & Diseases* 3rd edition (Morse & Flottum, editors; Root Publishing, 1997). On page 307 he cites a ranking of detection/ evaluation methods (by Witherell & Bruce) in order of effectiveness: 1) fluvalinate smoke; 2) amitraz smoke; 3) tobacco smoke; 4) ether roll. Then on page 312 he says that tobacco smoke used as a fumigant treatment for Varroa should, like other fumigant treatments, be administered 3 times at one week intervals because it does not have an effect on mites in brood cells. He then states, "Generally speaking, fumigants do not contaminate the hive products as much as the other control methods because the effect is very short-term." I guess the extremity of the situation determines whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:03:57 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6su17t$fs2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.187.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 06 13:03:57 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.187.138 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14085 In article <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com>, "Larry Williard" wrote: > I Guess either I should already know the answer or its a tough question. > > Larry > > Larry Williard wrote in message <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com>... > > Remove the 9 from the address > > > > I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive > >into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 > >consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood > >and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and > >another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all > >the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each > >box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast > help > >in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. > >Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in > >the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was > >easy to find. > > > > Thank you > > `Larry We stand duly reprimanded Larry for failing to repeat an oft repeated bit of advice which can be found in the archives. In difficult situations. Put queen exluders between each brood box in the stack - come back in 4 days - the box with eggs in it has the queen as the eggs hatch in 3 days into larvae - look there real thourough - as you place looked at combs into a empty box beside you place them in pairs with abundant space between pairs to let light in - failing to find her on first pass you now go look at the pairs and more than likely she will be in the dark middle of one of the pairs. Obviously this beckons that you look at the frame you are leaving in the box as you withdraw the one you have in hand as she may be there in what was formerly the dark - failing to look there means she may move off and hide before you pick up that comb - after all if she is on the comb in hand she is likely to stay on it (likely I said) so look at the spot she may be but is likely to move from first then after that look at the spot she is more or less captive on (if she is there). If that fails and you really gotta find her run the whole lot through a queen excluder and hope she don't wiggle through it herself - most can't but some either can or else they must walk up the outside of the stack to get up above it. Darker queens amongst darker bees are often more challenging to find - and Buckfast can be dark. My son (9 yrs old) thinks we should breed for queens which blink a light color and black bees to contrast it - any ideas on how to do that??? ;-) Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: msmord@-ix-.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Wax? Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:47:44 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35f4a02a.1965284@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ham-oh2-26.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 06 9:48:20 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14086 I have some wax that I would like to make some candles out of. Could some one recommend a way to clean it. The wax has already been melted into a sheet about 1" thick (8" x 12") and I can see a bunch of pollen and other stuff in it. Any help or web addresses would be appreciated. Thanks. Luck is opportunity meeting preparedness. To respond via E-mail remove both - from my address. Article 14087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news.psd.k12.co.us!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!usenet From: Ric Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a hive Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 16:33:34 +0000 Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35F2B95E.4976@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup0238.ppp.colostate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14087 A few days ago I heard a kind of crackling noise in the outside wall of a room in my home. I tried to ignore this noise but it persisted so I checked the outside and I see a large number of bees entering and exiting a small opening in the corner of my house near the roof line. I am uncertain of the type of bees these are but they could be some type of honey bee. My neighbor suggested spraying the opening with an insecticide or plugging it up but I am afraid that if this is a large hive, the dead bees would start to smell within my house. This happened where I work when some outside chaulking was done and the trapped bees died. The outside wall sheet rock had to be removed and replaced which contained a large hive. A real smelly and expensive job. Besides, I would rather just move the bees if that is possible. I thought I would post to this news group for advise from some experts on what to do. Please send your replies directly to ric@yuma.acns.colostate.edu since I do no normally read this group. Article 14088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive size? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:09:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6svbo7$71r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.174.223 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 07 01:09:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.174.223 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14088 In article <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net>, dlpaxton@gate.net wrote: > OK, I am decloaking here in order to ask a question that I have not > heard asked since I started silently observeing this group. What is > the proper size for a hive? I see lots of illustrations on websights > of one brood chamber and 2 or 3 honey supers. Seem to me if you were > to increase the size of the brood chamber and the number of honey > supers your colony would get large enough to supply more surplus > honey. But then again, I am not a bee keepre YET, so what do I know? > > Dave > The upward limit upon maximum hive population in single queen colony with sufficient open brood comb is determined by genetics and environmental conditions working in tandem. Queen fecundity as per the maximum number of eggs she can lay per day on a sustainable basis (not just a short spurt then a rest) is genetically determined though it is also STRONGLY influenced by how well that queen was reared IN THE QUEEN CELL - which assuming abundant nectar and high quality pollen where available is genetically determined as well in the workers that were feeding her and building her cell (workers that likely are not VERY closely related to her as they would have been in Nature if she is reared b