"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. Mike Triplett 74362.2746@compuserve.com From PFVH53B@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: PFVH53B@prodigy.com (John Lisiecki) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: 4 Jun 1996 01:34:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan area. Any help would be appreciated. John L. From ch90033@central.ntua.gr Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!news.ntua.gr!news.central.ntua.gr!not-for-mail From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.central.ntua.gr X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Hello all, I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving the hives unaffected? And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Thanks, Nick Tsoukas -- \\/// (o-o) +------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------+ | Nick Tsoukas.. Chemical Eng. Dep.- N.T.U.A | |---------------------------+--------------------| | japetus | Merlin 3, | | ntsoukas@chemeng.ntua.gr | GR-106 71 ATHENS | | ch90033@central.ntua.gr | tel: (30-1)3635652 | From bbaker@iafrica.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!pipex-sa.net!iafrica.com!slipper19511.iafrica.com!bbaker From: bbaker@iafrica.com (David Barras-Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South African Farming Estate Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:04:59 Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 123 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slipper19511.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] South African Farming Estate Dear Sirs James Macgregor is retiring shortly and therefore for the first time in 72 years this magnificent South African farming estate is for sale: Located in the beautiful Eastern Transvaal lowveld 30 mins drive from the internationally famous Kruger National Park. A mere ten minutes drive from White River (the closest town) and fifteen minutes to the Country Club which boasts a championship 18 hole Golf Course. Name: - Lochaber Estates Heidelberg Valley White River Mphumalanga South Africa Contact: James Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa Size: - 520 Hectares History: - Purchased in 1922 by Col. Norman Eaton Macgregor. Developed into a flourishing citrus and citrus nursery estate. Currently owned and managed by James Mohr Macgregor. The primary crop currently produced is tobacco. Secondary crops include maize, dried sugar beans and 13,000 macadamia trees under micro-irrigation. 100 hectares of timber (saligna). A herd of 120 head of cattle is also ranched on the estate. Irrigation: - Irrigation water supplied by canal system from Witklip Dam; capacity 13.2 million Cubic Metres - 200 hectares scheduled - 9 irrigation electric pumping stations - underground piping on 150 hectares - 2 boreholes for main houses Buildings: - 19 bulk curing tobacco barns 2 large storage and sorting sheds 1 roller mill for maize meal 40 simplex units for farm labourers 1 fully equipped farm workshop 8 storerooms Schools: - 1 pre-school (crèche) 25 children 1 primary school (100 Children) Housing: - Main Homestead (500 square metres) - magnificent colonial style family home set in breathtaking scenic surroundings. - 6 bedrooms - 3 bathrooms - fully fitted kitchen and pantry - 2 Lounges - 2 Dining rooms - large covered patio surrounding front area of the home - fully equipped laundry block - swimming pool & pool house - tennis court - covered garages for 7 vehicles - home/woodworking workshop Large Managers Home - swimming pool - large garden - 3 bedrooms - separate self contained cottage Forman's cottage - 2 bedrooms - bathroom - lounge - dining room/kitchen Office - fully equipped with strongroom and safe etc. - telephone, fax and computer facilities Vehicles: - 9 tractors 2 LDV's 2 VW Golf cars 1 3.5 ton truck 3 motorcycles Equipment: - 7 trailers - 2 ploughs - 3 discs - 1 planter - 2 threshers - 2 generators Asking Price: US$1.6 million (negotiable) For further information contact: James or Joan Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!yama.mcc.ac.uk!liv!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stings/lavender oil Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 12:04:52 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) I got a couple of stings on Saturday; they usually come up in quite a large hard bump and are uncomfortable for a week or so. The person I was with suggested putting lavender oil on the site of the sting, and this seems to have controlled it completely. Was this just chance, or has anyone else had this experience? Alan From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:26:48 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4p1h39$fsc@news.sandia.gov> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: 74362.2746@CompuServe.COM The phone #'s requested: Bee Culture (by the A.I.Root Company) 1-800-289-7668 ext. 3220 FAX (330)725-5624 email: bculture@aol.com American Bee Journal (by Dadant) (217)847-3324 could not find a 1-800 # FAX (217)847-3660 Walter T. Kelly 1-800-233-2899 for credit card orders (502)242-2012 FAX (502)242-4801 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com From pkt@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where have the bees gone? Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:28:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca24-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 9:28:54 AM CDT 1996 I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I remember seeing in years past. Has something happened to the bee population? From wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!news From: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank Warner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:58:03 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs3-15.con.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I >remember seeing in years past. >Has something happened to the bee population? Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. Frank From bbirkey@interaccess.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 15:01:36 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31B49621.193C@interaccess.com> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d184.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Michael W. Triplett wrote: > > Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail > address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any > other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", > "Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > > Mike Triplett > 74362.2746@compuserve.com The number for Dadant to get the "American Bee Journal" is: 1-800-637-7468. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL. USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers/arthritus Date: 4 Jun 1996 20:36:19 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does venom have a documented therapeutic affect? If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as the possibly can? Thanks, Mike From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:49:15 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, Michael A Chambers writes >It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does >venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > >If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as >the possibly can? > >Thanks, >Mike > I suggest that you take a look at http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html There is some information about "Bee Venom Therapy" there. Good luck, -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From WCPX60A@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: WCPX60A@prodigy.com (Justin Diener) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flows in California's Central Valley Date: 4 Jun 1996 22:53:54 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p2eq2$eqi@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.45 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I've kept bees here for two years and I have yet to see any major flows in this area. I have had bees on safflower, cotton, and mesquite but I haven't seen the production like you hear of from the midwest. Comments are appreciated. Thank you. From bermshot@ix.netscape.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Parts Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:24:41 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <31B4EFE9.5EED@ix.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca68-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 7:21:59 PM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I just received the body for a hive with 3 supers and was wondering if anybobody could direct me to a cheap source of wax and frames, as well as a smoker, etc..... I might also need some bees, so if anybody knows of a good place to order let me know. I live in San Jose California Mike bermshot@ix.netcom.com From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:39:54 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to start hives next spring. What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar sufficient, or is corn sugar better? mailto:jdalexa@his.com John Alexander/Beltsville, MD From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:48:04 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31B50374.63EA@his.com> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I have been careless in storing some buckets of solidified Oil Seed Rape honey. Mice have got into a couple of buckets so that the honey cannot be used for human consumption. Is there any way I can make use of it for feeding bees? Bees seem to collect water from some pretty repellant sources without compromising the quality of the honey we collect. - if they are storing in supers would any contamination go straight into the honey harvest? - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will crystallise in the comb and be unusable. Is there any alternative to disposing of it? Thanks for any ideas, Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff, I'm very new to the bee scene - not having started hives yet, but I find your high standards to be an example to all. You are someone to look up to and emulate. Keep up the good work and good luck John Alexander From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:34:37 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B59AFD.5A01@umich.edu> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) John Alexander wrote: > > Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to > start hives next spring. > What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar > sufficient, or is corn sugar better? Generally, in early spring or to get package bees started, use cane sugar:water::1:1 (by weight). In the fall, to supplement stores and to feed Fumadil, use cane sugar:water:2:1. From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:42:24 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31B59CD0.5911@umich.edu> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Frank Warner wrote: > > pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: > > >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" > >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my > >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I > >remember seeing in years past. > > >Has something happened to the bee population? > > Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. This is quite an understatement! In most of the country, varroa mites have completely wiped out all traces of the wild (feral) honeybee colonies. In addition, they have devastated apiaries of many beekeepers, who have sustained losses in the 50-90% (or more) range this last autumn and winter. Ted Fischer From bmoon@pacbell.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!usenet From: Moon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumblebee hive Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 Organization: A customer of Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-170-4.scrm01.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) Today while weeding out our flower beds (SEVERELY overgrown), I started noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, and disappearing into the ground. It turns out their hive is in the middle of our flower bed. Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? Is there any way of us getting along there together, am I going to get in a tangle with them if I keep weeding around their hive, or is there anyone in northern california who wants to have an observation hive of bumblebees (as mentioned earlier in the newsgroup)? I don't really want to kill these guys, but it does make me a tad bit nervous to be sitting a few feet from the hive and digging in the ground. thanks! Kristy From nobody@nowhere.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-1 From: nobody@nowhere.com (Nobody in Particular) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 20:46:47 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-1.rn1.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? /sb From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite workshops I have known Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:12:54 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1779DC7E6S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu I mail off-list my thanks to Andy for posting the August 10 Mite Workshop announcement and included my notes on a presentation I attended at the Worcester County Beekeepers Association this April. Andy encouraged me to post them to this list, so what the hey?! Any errors in content are mine, I can't write as fast as the speaker could talk! /Aa >---------------------------< Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree Addresses Worcester County Beekeepers I had the pleasure of attending the April 13 meeting of the Worcester County Beekeepers Association where Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree of the University of Guelph in Ontario spoke about Canadian Beekeeping and mites as a vector in spreading viruses in bees. The "Canadian Beekeeping" presentation was very informative, but my main interest (and that of the more than 100 attend- ing beekeepers) was in hearing what Dr. Scott-Dupree had to say about the mites. The conundrum faced by bee researchers is that it's easy to blame bees' demise on V-mites or T- mites or both, but the truth of the matter is that although we know mites are here, scientists aren't sure what exactly is the cause of bee pathology based on the effect of the mites' presence. The focus of current research is on how the mites may act as vectors in spreading the approximately twenty identified bee viruses, which are hard to identify in the field and whose symptoms may appear as common infectious diseases, hence being easily misidentified. Studies done by Drs. Dupree and Brenda Ball (in the UK) have indicated that with the stock of bees tested in their studies, there ap- pears to be no correlation between tracheal mites and honeybee viruses. This is the good news, which could lead one to conclude that although tracheal mites are a problem not to be overlooked, the threat is not as nefarious as that posed by varroa mites, which did exhibit a significant cor- relation in the spread of chronic bee paralysis virus types one and two, hairless black bee virus, Kashmir bee virus, black queen cell virus and others. It is important to note that many of these viruses are present in a hive environment in all stages of bee development as non-damaging pathogens. However it is perhaps the manner in which varroa feed on honeybees that activates the viruses, helping them to flour- ish to the detriment of the colony population. In the meantime while scientists continue to search for an- swers and solutions to the mite problems we beekeepers need to manage our bees to reduce stressors as much as possible to help them remain healthy. This includes using approved medications such as Fumidil-B for nosema and Terramycin for foulbrood, and approved treatments to combat mites, which include grease patties, menthol and Apistan. Of course one must always follow the directions when using these treat- ments to avoid contaminating the honey to be harvested. In these mite infested times a beekeeper may have to forego some of the honey crop in order to treat their bees in con- formance with label instructions. The mites have made keep- ing bees a whole new ball game and new management techniques need to be developed to keep beekeepers from striking out. From skyscape@mail.mts.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!worldlinx.com!top.mts.net!usenet From: Skyscape Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contaminated Cargill Syrup Date: 6 Jun 1996 01:59:02 GMT Organization: MTS Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p5e16$11fo@top.MTS.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wnklts03-p03.mts.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, I'm new posting to this newsgroup. I am looking for any other people or information as per contaminated syrup from Cargill. We lost 75% of bees and have got the cold shoulder from Coop and Cargill. Has anyone else had this problem? Matt Tubil From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:50:42 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Nobody in Particular wrote: > > Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it > does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone > point me in the right direction?? > > /sb Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen or freeze dried for preservation. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEYBUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO*********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606060739592092@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 65 ***************************The easiest way to make contact and business with Me ican companies *TRADE CONTACTS* ---------------------------------------- From: MEXICO CONTACT Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEY BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO **************************************** The easiest way to make contact and business with Mexican companies COMPANY PROFILE: Nectar de Campeche SA de CV PRODUCT CHARACTERISTICS:Honey of the highest quality. 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Lehmann, Ph.D.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus - let's see data, not hype Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:48:06 GMT Organization: Medical College of Ohio Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.247.30.78 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) wrote: > It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does > venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > On what basis do you say that beeking and arthritis don't go together? Where are the data? At any event, I expect many of those keepers who develop arthritis will stop keeping bees. Lehmann@opus.mco.edu Medical College of Ohio From steven@idma.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!usenet From: steven@idma.com (Steven Katz) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees? Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:59:31 GMT Organization: IDMA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4p6v93$r1s@kadath.zeitgeist.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.idma.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:5374 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4567 Big, black, bee-like insects have begun burrowing holes in the wood overhang of my house. I've been told that they are carpenter bees. What should I do to get rid of them and keep them away? Please copy replies to me. -Steven From pat.w@zetnet.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: pat.w@zetnet.co.uk (Patrick Woodward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:40:15 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4p7ga0$1u6@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> geoff butt writes: > - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will > crystallise in the comb and be unusable. > Is there any alternative to disposing of it? I've got about 250lbs of crystallised honey in combs - The bees seem happy to feed on it in spring, when they can get out for water. The rest goes into a solar wax extractor and then on to make mead - I don't like the stuff, but it gets rid of the honey! Pat Woodward pat.w@zetnet.co.uk From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LA "KILLER BEE" HYPE Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042095@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 92 Today's 6-6-96 San Francisco Chronicle continues the hype of the Africanized "killer bee" by running a story from the LA Daily News on how the LAPD is receiving "killer bee" training with no special bee equipment but the leg's issued by God to man so they can run, and run is what they are expected to do. "When the bee does arrive, Los Angeles has to be prepared." according to Michael Pearson, an Africanized honeybee specialist for the county's agricultural commissioner. Officers are being trained to respond to the many 911 calls they expect to get as the "killer bees" attack and sting Los Angeleno's as many a 1,500 times in characteristic mass attacks that have killed two people in Arizona and two in Texas since their arrival in the late 80's to Texas from Mexico and now in California entering from Arizona via train sometime in October 1994 according to an earlier story. LA agricultural officials do not know how long it will take the bees to reach Los Angeles from Riverside County, where they attacked one or two people last year. But they estimated that it would take more than a year. (A little faster hitch hiking by train.) Well all this is good some will say, but I would guess that since the so called Africanized Killer Bee's have entered the US and killed 4 people, (which is a number that is in dispute), that the good old gentle European honeybee has been responsible for ten times that number of deaths, few which merit mention in the major newspapers. You say what the harm if every police department learns how to handle bees...for one thing they don't have the equipment, and of course will have to buy it...not that old bee veil you use...or the white coveralls... heck NO..how about the super duper bee-bullet proof, insulated, cooled, throwaway kind..you know the one that will add a thousand bucks per man to the budget, and then there's the special Bee Swat Team trucks a la Texas style, and on and on, an $$. So it will cost money, but thats just the beginning..give a cop a ticket book and he is expected to write tickets, give a cop a bee veil with a gun and he will shoot it off...hum.. there goes a suspected beekeeper now, bet he's got "killer bees", you can tell by the old truck he drives.......STOP or I will *BANG* shoot. Darn missed the bees but sure put a hole in the guys truck,,,oh darn just another California Certified Afro FREE Beekeeper. Too bad about the hole in your truck buddy,..hay guy I would get your helper to a hospital he looks bad with all that blood running out of his head...."You know we have "killer bees" in this area, and I've been trained to spot them"...it's a dirty job, but I can do it. Now I am sure some of you will condemn me for writing the above, but let me tell you the training these policemen are receiving is no better then the above, with their own video dramatization of the police running away from a swarms of bees, and worse, half truths about these so called "killer bees" and the danger to the public from them in the US, which is no grater according to those who are not in the bee hype business then any other bees, also from some with new regrets they were once caught up in the "killer bee" hype. But then if they are, (killer bees), whats the difference, how long do any of you believe you will be keeping bees after yours kill your neighbor or his kids even if you are a certified beekeepers and have seen every training film ever made? I can assure you that if the killer bees were indeed different and killed the hundreds or thousands in South America there would be no South American beekeepers, or their families, left to keep bees, let alone their beehives, as they would have been killed, burned, or driven out to revenge the first deaths in any rural village I know about in SA. But here we are more civilized, we will only sue you to death if your bees start killing my family. My solution, let the beekeeper's keep the bees, let the police keep the peace. Tell you local police department you will pick up swarms. If you are in a "killer bee" zone, charge them $150, demand police barricades to keep the public away, and 5 million in insurance before you put out that swarm bee box, (if you think you can get it). Or just do as we have been doing,...always have done..the best you can. Yeh, "killer" bees, I got them, heck, had em for years, they are no different from any other bees I have, well maybe a little hotter to handle, but then I am a beekeeper and thats my job, and if my bee's could kill I would have died long ago as I am the favoured target of my own bees. (And every bee regulator that has slimed this earth.) ttul OLd Drone BTW-Check your local bee regulations, as some areas may require a special ($) permit before you can pick up swarms or may require all swarms be destroyed by a licensed pest control person using only approved chemicals. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The Spider and the Bee. Fable x. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042096@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> Lines: 26 C>From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) >Subject: harmless pesticides? C>Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying >some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. >Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving >the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Hi Nick, Need more info in the caterpillars..but if its only a few peanut "trees" you may be able to use some form of DIPEL, which is a bacillus that should not harm honeybees. Or if they are really trees with a central trunk you could use sticky paper rap or paint, but depends on what caterpillars you have and if they are hatching in the peanuts or coming >from outside. How many peanut trees do you have? As for the ants, unless they are some kind of problem, best left alone, but dust the nests if can find them with dusting grade sulfur, and or band around the bee hive with it and/or the trees. Don't get it on the leaves if you are not sure if it will burn them or not. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 02:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042097@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *Ripped off the BEE-List, Good Info on Bee Hives. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Clark of AGF 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:17:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives A remarkable hive design, with significance for ancient beekeeping, is the clay pot used for hundreds of years (and still) in Crete. It is used upright (like a large flower pot) and has moveable-combs as a result of top bars laid over the opening. I think pots with a similar design have been found in ruins (Knosus?) dating from 1000 B.C. I attended the Apimondia meeting in Athens (1985?) where there was a display which included a few examples. Since I was travelling to Crete, I made a point of asking about any working bee yards. The quest and touring was an interesting combination of objectives, and lead to several dead ends miles off the beaten path. I found several interesting modern apiaries, and once was shown a remnant of one of the skeps, cast aside near the apiary, used by a beekeeper's grandfather. I finally found an excellent example of the clay skeps near a village on the south coast: a bee yard carved out of the hillside, perhaps decades ago, with twenty or so live colonies, all in the clay hives. The beekeeper (in his 70's) and his wife lived in the village about 3 km away. Unfortunately the language barrier limited our conversation, and it was too hot for him to consider visiting the yard, but I was able to observe the colonies over a couple of days. The total volume of the pots (each slightly different) was about the same as 2 standard North American boxes. The colonies in the hot dry September were very weak in my experience (occupying maybe 6 frames). Honey harvest was accomplished by cutting off lower edges of comb, bringing them home in a pot, chopping them in a colander covered with cheesecloth and draining the honey. A jar of such honey would indeed be precious. The hive tool was a larger version similar to the standard ones, except the straight end had a sort of fork, for spearing and retreiving pieces of comb that had fallen to the bottom of the pot. The entrance for the bees was a horizontal slot less than 10 cm long, at the base of the hive. Some of the hives had a cross inscribed above the entrance. The pots had 2 "ears" for handholds, although I think they likely stayed in the same place for decades. The top bars were hand hewn from branches of appropriate size (wider than a top bar) but there were no spacers, and the top bars contacted each other to form (mor or less) an inner cover. The hive cover was a 6 inch layer of grape vine prunings, covered with a slab of slate. The beeyard was surrounded by a rough wall of rocks. At the entrance (I don't remember a gate) was a post with an old ram's skull mounted at the top (I heard that this was a defense against the "evil eye"). There was an olive tree for shade, and some clay dishes of water with flat corks, allowing the bees to gather water. In the rush of travel I had to leave, and knew I had missed much of the significance of this glimpse at the roots of apiculture. Whenever I think of the visit, I wonder whether that living example of ancient beekeeping is still there. Pleasant memories. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do From Lord-Binkley@myna.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!uniserve!n2van.istar!van.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-29 From: Lord-Binkley@myna.com (Scott Binkley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:53:46 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4p9q25$fbg@melon.myna.com> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-29.rn2.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >Nobody in Particular wrote: >> >> Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it >> does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone >> point me in the right direction?? >> >> /sb >Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal >jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives >of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive >weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the >still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen >or freeze dried for preservation. That seems VERY labour intensive. How do they do it commercially? Do they just go to asia, and get cheap labour to do it?? /sb From dsturisky@dttus.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd18-229.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 85 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Hi, I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. Can you help. Thanks From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: harmless pesticides? Date: 4 Jun 1996 15:23:35 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p1kdn$4hf@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: ch90033@central.ntua.gr's message of 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT In <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> ch90033@central.ntua.gr writes: > Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying > some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. > Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving > the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? > Thanks, > Nick Tsoukas Nick: Anything with BT or BTi (Bacillus thuringiensis or B. thuringiensis var. isrealensis should be fine for caterpillars and relatively harmless to bees. Follow the label. For the ants I'd suggest a bait of some kind, either commercially prepared or home-made. First you'll have to figure out what the ants like to eat (sugars or proteins and fats) so that you can give them something they'll eat. Good luck, C From drewbear@i-link.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.i-link.net!usenet From: drewbear@i-link.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: St. Louis apiary? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 23:41:48 -0700 Organization: I-Link Inc Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31B920AC.7CEB@i-link.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: austin-2-2.i-link.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Can anyone recommend an apiary in the St. Louis, MO area, or give me information on how I could find such? I'm interested in fresh, untreated honey. Thanks. From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:00:13 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Keywords: bumblebees, flight X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >From: >Subject: Bumblebees >Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT >Hi, >I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >Can you help. Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's wing cups in flight, giving more lift. Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumblebee hive Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:15:51 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Summary: Buzzzzz X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> Moon writes: >From: Moon >Subject: bumblebee hive >Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 >noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, >Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? >Kristy Give Dr. Steve Buchmann a call at 520-670-6380 in Tucson. if he doesn't know, he will know who does. You're prob OK as long as you don't dig in or step on. John E. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606081315002104@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43eqq8$779@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1995Sep13.194948.124186@forest> Lines: 65 *FYI* Ed Stockwell is the owner\beekeeper at Stockwell Honey Co that produces some of the best Mesquite honey in the world from the Mexican boarder area of SW Arizona. Stockwell Honey Co was started by his grandfather in the 1940's. Crops can vary from little or nothing to several hundred pounds plus. Ed has first hand every day experience working with the so called "killer bees" as identified by the USDA at $100.+ per hive sampled. Ed has an mechanical engineering degree with honors from the University of Arizona, but has chosen to continue working in the bees as his mother, father, and grandfather before him. Anna, his wife also is a beekeeper and helps in the bees and is a sister in law of a well know bee breeder in Florida where Ed and family have spent several winters working in the queen rearing business. ttul Andy- This message was from EStockwell@aol.com to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com originally in IN-E-MAIL on the WILD BEE'S BBS. ---------------------------------------- From: EStockwell@aol.com To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:15:36 -0400 Subject: Re: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Hi Andy, Just finished extracting- big 20 pound crop! It's the land where Jesus lost his sandles. The catsclaw and oak trees are dying, maybe a fifty to one hundred year drought in places. The bees mostly look pretty good. I got some good matings this spring from the best 10% that had drones and it should be that way again this summer since I left the best hives heavy. The really wild, aggressive hives mostly fizzled out last winter, but there are some good crosses, either from them or from the tamer wild ones. One of Dave's red line superseded last Feb. and crossed with some wild stuff I was playing with. The bees are tiny, and a bit runny, but not aggressive. Brood was wood to wood in both directions on the comb and they made a great crop! I've got my eye on a couple of feral hives that wintered and are in good shape. I'll probably pick them up in the next few days. One is a bit jumpy, but the other is not. Both have small, leathery bees. I don't buy the gloom and doom about bees and beekeeping. In about half of my hives I have just been painting them with essential oils (no apistan) in a petroleum jelly base and it seems to be holding the line, especially with regular requeening. I've also had to destroy a couple of swarms that had been established for at least a year. Water and off season food has been a factor in the bee die-offs here in Arizona as well as varroa. The extended poor conditions also caused internal mites/viral problems. As for Jerry Loper's article, I say, " From twelve, many." It looks to me like the honey pipeline is not going to get full for quite some time and thus this may be the start of a several year good cycle. I have a few ideas that I am working on to make it easier to get those lbs of honey in and out. Now all we need is some rain... Take Care, Ed, Chris, Anna Another thought- those wild bees may have some trouble wintering even here in Arizona. I had some stuff that I felt mostly crossed out with the wild ones. They made a huge crop last year, but I had plenty of empty boxes there this spring. These bees may not be much help to the northers, unless they just want to keep the market firm- Ed. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket From geoff@butt.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!butt.demon.co.uk From: geoff butt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 02:32:21 GMT Organization: GTBT Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <834287541snz@butt.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: butt.demon.co.uk Return-Receipt-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Mail2News-Path: butt.demon.co.uk Many thanks for the replies here and by email. In one email (thanks J) it was mentioned that pieces of crystallised honey could be fed to bees like candy as a spring emergency feed. I have never seen this mentioned before; does anyone else have any experience with this possibility? Now I think about it, it makes me realise I hadn't really questioned how it is that bees can deal with candy. Do they have to be able to access water in order to make use of candy? Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rey@ven.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!pointer.netpoint.net!ns1.ven.net!usenet From: Reynaldo Zavarce Castillo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's a test, please donn't read Date: 8 Jun 1996 19:02:12 GMT Organization: NetPoint de Venezuela Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4pcink$8tu@ns1.ven.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dppp24.ven.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) it's a test. I'm sorry From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars===================================== Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606091009422107@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43jsa1$e0e@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com> Lines: 116 A N U P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www.pan a.org/panna/===================================== Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== 1995 U.S. Pesticide Use at All-Time High June 7, 1996 New unpublished U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data documents that U.S. pesticide use reached an all-time high of more than 1.2 billion pounds in 1995. This is over twice as many pounds of chemicals as were used 30 years ago when Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" was published (540 million pounds in 1964). The unpublished data was obtained and analyzed by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and U.S. Public Interest Research Group (U.S. PIRG). According to NRDC, these all-time highs in pesticide use have occurred despite the assertion by the pesticide industry that it has adopted "stewardship" and "integrated pest management" programs that result in smarter and lower pesticide use. The House of Representatives and Senate are expected to consider legislation weakening pesticide safety standards this month, which also could result in even more pesticides being used in the future. The EPA draft document includes 1994 and 1995 figures for 30 chemicals, including acute toxins, suspected carcinogens and chemicals thought to disrupt the human hormone system. The data show that 1.23 billion pounds of pesticides were applied in 1994, representing a jump of more than 100 million pounds >from the previous year. In 1995, 1.25 billion pounds were applied. According to NRDC and U.S. PIRG, EPA draft data likely understates the true level of pesticides in the environment for several reasons. EPA figures include only active ingredients, and do not include so-called "inert" ingredients such as petroleum, benzene and other toxic compounds. These "inert" chemicals can comprise over 50% of the volume of formulated pesticides. In addition, EPA figures exclude non- conventional pesticide uses, such as wood preservatives and disinfectants, which the that EPA has previously estimated at more than one billion pounds per year. Taking these additional uses into consideration, the total U.S. pesticide use in 1994-1995 is estimated at more than 2.2 to 2.3 billion pounds per year. Use of pesticides in agriculture was at an all-time high in 1995, as was industrial, commercial and government use. Expenditures on pesticides also hit a new high of $10.4 billion in 1995. More herbicides were used than during any previous two-year period; more insecticides were used than any previous year since 1981-82; and fungicide use was the highest yet recorded and was over double the amount used in 1979. The reasons for the increase may include greater pest resistance to pesticides, adverse climate factors and pest infestations, as well as advertising and other factors leading to greater farmer and other user acceptance of pesticides Pesticides whose use in the U.S. increased considerably, according to the draft EPA document, included methyl bromide, metam sodium, dichloropropene, acetochlor, sulfur and petroleum oils. Those pesticides whose use dropped substantially included alachlor and cyanazine. According to the new data, worldwide conventional pesticide use also hit an all time high of 4.7 billion pounds in 1995, with the U.S. share at 27% -- a higher percentage than in recent years, according to previously released EPA data. Source: NRDC and U.S. PIRG press release, May 28, 1996; NRDC Summary of EPA Data, May 1996. Contact: Erik Olson, NRDC, 1350 NY Ave NW #200, Washington DC 20005; phone (202) 783-7800; fax (202) 638-4937. Carolyn Hartmann, U.S. PIRG, 218 D Street SE, Washington DC 20003; phone (202) 546-9707; fax (202) 546-2461. =========================================================== *** IMPORTANT NOTE Regarding: PANUPS, May 24, 1996, "New Report Documents Massive Pesticide Use in California." *** To order this report, please send $15 to California Policy Seminar, 2020 Milvia, Suite 412, Berkeley, CA 94704; phone (510) 642-5514; fax (510) 642-8793; email ca.polsem@ucop.edu. Make checks payable to UC Regents. =========================================================== =========================================================== | Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) | | | | Phone:(415) 541-9140 Fax:(415) 541-9253 | | Email: panna@panna.org http://www.panna.org/panna/| | PANNA, 116 New Montgomery, #810, San Francisco, CA 94105 | | | |*To subscribe to PANUPS send email to MAJORDOMO@igc.apc.org| | with the following text on one line: subscribe panups | | To unsubscribe send the following: unsubscribe panups | | | |*For basic information about PANNA, send an email message | | to panna-info@igc.apc.org | =========================================================== From ecaldw9669@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: 9 Jun 1996 14:56:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Does anyone have information or experience with requeening a colony with queen cells using cell protectors? We have recently begun trying this method and are wondering if anyone has used this method and what results you obtained. Also, if we don't kill the old queen, when we introduce the queen cell, what percentage of the time will the virgin queen kill the existing queen? Ernest Caldwell Caldwell's Texas Honey San Antonio, Texas USA From Gunner63@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Gunner63@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 16:46:42 -0500 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31BB4642.24C1@concentric.net> References: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: Gunner63@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc216378.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) John Lisiecki wrote: > > Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan > area. > > Any help would be appreciated. > John L. You can find a Dadant Dealer in Potterville Mi. I am considering starting 10 swarms in the spring of 1997, I reside in Saginaw County and would be interested in your beekeeping experience. I used to have bees with my father back in the 80's. From loganv@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Logan VanLeigh Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TN Beekeepers Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 20:19:11 -0400 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31BB69FF.6CE0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool015.max7.atlanta.ga.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) For the poster moving to Cookeville, TN (or anyone else): Beekeepers of Tennessee. Pres: Marlene Thomas, 196 Long Road, Kingston, TN 37763, 423.376.1838 Mid TN VP: Dwight Tew, 545 Overview Ln, Franklin, TN 37064, 615.791.1578 Welcome! Logan From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE BEES* Wide bees available to anyone... Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606100624122112@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43mnha$q2b@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Lines: 19 *FREE BEE* from personal e-mail.. ---------------------------------------- From: "Sue Sloan [L-Team]" <75300.1157@CompuServe.COM> To: Andy Nachbaur Date: 09 Jun 96 16:28:15 EDT Subject: Wide bees available to anyone... Andy, I am trying to find someone who will remove a hive of bees from my property. They are in the edge of the roof on an outbuilding, and not hard to get to. The house is in Pound Ridge, Westchester County, New York and I am at 914-764-8376 if you could refer me to anyone in the area. Will pay, but a reasonable amount! Thanks, Sue Sloan --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 13:52:54 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) The way it was explained to me: Bumblebees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... Bumblebees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Pray for rain! Victor C. Rimkus From m.quimby@lilly.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!cronkite.d48.lilly.com!general.d46.lilly.com!m.quimby From: Mike Quimby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first successful swarm! Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:06:58 GMT Organization: lilly.com Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: general.d46.lilly.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:15:54 GMT Greetings to all! My bees decided to give me a second chance. Yesterday afternoon, I came home and walked back to the bees and to my astonishment, a huge swarm was all collected on a hawthorn tree near the hives. 2 feet long and about a 12 inches wide. Well, after blowing it on a first swarm a week ago, I was determined to get this beautiful thing of nature into a new home. My girlfriend and I trimmed away excess branches, and I held the branch while she sawed....success! All bees still together and the branch was in my hands. I walked over to the waiting hive (with extra empty hive body on top), counted to three and... SNAP! WHOOSH! In they went! Wow! What a feeling. I closed up the top and stragglers eventually made it in. Now I have 3 hives! Good luck to all, and may the flowers bloom all season long. Mike Quimby Cardinal Haven Farm Knightstown, Indiana m.quimby@lilly.com From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:08:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly access news groups. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:20:32 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4phi54$5av@news2.cais.com> References: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) wrote: >I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a >small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly >access news groups. >Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) My phone number is: 818-761-5665; FAX 818-761-9501. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606101718162113@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *FYI* Official NZ Government reaction to beekeepers post in the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- From: Cliff Van Eaton Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 , I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: 1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. 2. The disease described by Dr. Liu identified in his November 1991 American Bee Journal article is "melanosis", not "melanoius" as Mr. Patton states. 3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis had been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian hives. While the title of the article identifies melanosis as a disease, and while Bailey and Ball in their work Honey Bee Pathology (2nd ed) state that "a micro-organism of a primitive type appearing to be transitional between yeasts and fungi has been found in the melanized (blackened) patches of epithelial tissue that surround nurse- and egg-cells of ovaries and the poison sac and rectum in queens", Dr. Liu did not state that the condition he found in some NZ queens was in fact caused by any specific organism. He stated that he found melanization (tissuing blackening) in the queens, but makes no mention of isolating any causative organism causing the melanization. Melanization is a a natural defense of insects against micro-organisms and/or tissue wounds, and can be caused by a number of factors. Melanization has been reported in queen bees in many areas of the world, and in my experience (both in NZ and Canada) can be found most often in aging queens. 4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these persons have for such a claim. However, the statement I made in my posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Government apiculture personnel also carry out surveillance for the disease whenever they inspect beehives for any other reason (such as AFB inspection, export certification and pollination hive audits). Any suspect larvae are analysed microscopically at a government bee disease diagnostic laboratory, and those with Streptococcus-like particles are cultured to make a definitive diagnosis. All government apiculture personnel are fully trained in visual diagnosis of EFB symptoms, including familiarisation training in a country where EFB occurs (Australia, US, etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping industry representatives. 5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic honey bee diseases. Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each year. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? From marlatt Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!cbgw1.att.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!usenet From: Stuart Marlatt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 18:01:46 GMT Organization: Lockheed Martin -- Denver InterNetNews site Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4phnua$rg8@tel.den.mmc.com> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: daystrom.den.mmc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1S (X11; I; IRIX64 6.1 IP26) X-URL: news:edw1.18.002843A9@azstarnet.com edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) wrote: >In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >>From: >>Subject: Bumblebees >>Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT > > >>Hi, > >>I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >>Can you help. > >Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the >scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps >on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an >early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the >mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's >wing cups in flight, giving more lift. > Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, > John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona I don't recall the reference off hand, but I believe that a Sci. American a few years ago looks at this problem. Apparently, the main source of lift for the bee is vortex creation on the upper surface as the wings are rapidly separated on the downstroke. Unlike birds, the wings are brought very close together above the bee's body, and when separated, initiate a relatively strong vortical flowfield - thus lower pressure atop the wing, and thus lift. You might also look into the Ann. Review of Fluid Mechanics over the past decade or so. Also the Journal of Fluid Mech might have an article or two. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The perfection of means and the confusion of ends seems to be our problem. - Alfred Einstein ............................................................................. s.w. marlatt, phd <>< & *(:-) Prov. 25.2 Lockheed Martin Astronautics stuart@daystrom.den.mmc.com M/S DC3003, P.O. Box 179 (303) 971-6629 Denver, CO 80201 (303) 971-6934 (fax) URL: http://liszt.den.mmc.com/docs/swm/swm_home.html (firewall!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: low temperqture queens Date: 11 Jun 1996 12:55:53 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 20 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pjqcp$ajd@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Hi, Is there anybody out their who has experience with breeding queens in a breeding-case at a lower temperature then the normal 34-34.5 C (94 F) ? It takes a few days longer for the queeens to emerge, but they should be bigger and stronger (???). I have found the first statement to be through, but I cannot check the other statements. Cheers +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:31 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B6446B.135@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) CC: misc.health.alternative My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:54 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B64482.870@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!hookup!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control by Formic-acid Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:02:30 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 199 Message-ID: <4pk1q6$p4t@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin001.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------2521250238071" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe some of you are interested in an alternative way of Varroa control. I hope that the main manuscript will be transfered to this newsgroup too. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Formic-acid (Formiat) for Varroa control All the chemicals offered by the pharmacological industry for Varroa control cause 2 main problems: -The mites become resistant to the substances after some years, new substances needed in future -All these substances make residues in bees wax and honey, not very good arguments for our business Organic acids like Formic-acid make not such problems. Formic acid is part of the honey and it is reduced in short time by honey enzymes and oxidation. Different ways of Formic acid application for Varroa control were tested by german beekeepers and research institutes in the past. One method, successfully used by myself and many other beekeepers in the last 4 years is described in the following manuscript. I would like to thank Ian, a british beekeeper who point out that there might be somebody else interested in a alternative way of Varroa control, and so I decide to post the following. Formic acid for Varroa control, Kraemers way! The Kraemer-Platte is a way of applying formic-acid for Varroa control. This treatment has been used successfully for several years by many german beekeepers. It requires for each hive one Kraemer-plate, an empty super, 2 small wooden frames (comb-frames), and some old newspapers for isolation. These methods may only be suitable for beekeepers with a small number of hives. Mr. Kraemer is a german beekeeper (an Imkermeister [Master Beekeeper]), who spent a lot of time and money to work out his way of Varroa-control when the mite became a problem in Germany about 20 years ago. I would like to thank him for his work, which gives us an alternative way of residue-free Varroa- control. Building a Kraemer-Platte: Material: The plate body is made from Weichfaserdaemmplatte 10mm thick (this material is made from wood and usually used for insulation inside houses and sometimes also in the lids of hives, it seems a little bit like fibrous cardboard; make sure to get insecticide free material WITHOUT bitumen on one side). Plate-size: 247mm x 170mm x 10mm Pack the plate in a foil-bag (size 210mm x 300mm) of acid resistant plastic-foil. Fill each plate with 250ml (298g) of 85% formic-acid (use a syringe and wear gloves and eyeshield for protection; formic acid is a very strong acid!), and weld the bag with a double seam. The price for such a plate should be less than 5 US$ if a number of plates are manufactured (Mr Kraemer sold these prepared plates for 6 DM each in the past). Fall-Application Work to do before the Kraemer-Platte is placed in the hive: Weigh the filled Kraemer-Platte and note the weight. Perforate BOTH sides of the foil-bag with the necessary number of holes (diameter 15mm, use a metal tube with sharp edge). The number of holes depends of the size of the hive. Number of holes on EACH side of the foil- bag 1 brood-camber/hive 2 brood/hive number of combs 6-8 9-11 12-15 16-19 20-24 Freudenstein-size(180x318) 8 9 10 - - Normal-size(202mmx350mm) 9 11 12 14 15 Zander-size(195mmx390mm) 10 12 13 15 17 Langstroth(200mmx420mm) 11 12 14 17 19 Dadant-size (275mmx410mm) 12 13 15 18 - Place the perforated Kraemer Platte in a sandwich of 2 wooden frames (to make sure that there is a distance of 20mm to the combs and to the newspaper isolation and so ensuring acid vapor circulation in the hive, altogether a 50mm sandwich). On the top of the comb-frames of the top brood chamber set up an empty super, isolate the brood chamber, with the Kraemer Platte, from the rest of the empty super with several layers of old newspapers on top (do not use plastic, this will keep too much moisture in the hive). Close the empty top super with the lid. ATTENTION, do not block the holes in the foil-bag with the frames or the newspapers, otherwise the vaporization of formic-acid is not sufficient. Leave the Kraemer Platte in place undisturbed for 21days. After 3 weeks take the plate out and check the weight. 165g of formic-acid should have evaporated during the 21 days for effective Varroa-control. This method of Varroa-control is ideal for a fall-treatment, starting mid September after winterfeeding; noon time temperature range must be between a minimum 6 degrees C and maximum 26 degrees C. Summer/Fall Application An alternative or additional treatment (in case of strong Varroa populations) is to use the Kraemer Platte after honey harvesting in summer (early August, some open honey (or sugar) in the combs is important) for 7 days, and for an additional 14 days end of September. For this treatment a fresh filled Kraemer Platte is perforated face to face with 3-5 holes/side, depending on the volume of the hive 60-78 liters -> 3 holes / side 79-100 liters-> 4 holes / side 101-120 liters-> 5 holes / side Only the volume of the brood chamber and honey supers matters, any bottom space must be ignored. Place the perforated plate vertically in a empty comb-frame (use small pins to fix the plate) in the center of the empty honey super. !The bees need unsealed food in the hive! Give sugar syrup before the application of formic-acid if it is necessary. The treatment can be done with noon-temperatures of maximum 26 degrees C. After 7 days take the plate out of the hive, store it in a foil-bag (several plates in one bag are good), and store them horizontal and cool up to September, best would be to weld the storage bag (ventilation may be useful to prevent bad formic-acid odor). Feed the bees for the winter, and at end of September place the used plates for 14 more days in their hive, like described above for the September-application. Add additional holes in the plate (2 more than in the table for the regular Fall-application). This alternative treatment is useful if there is a strong Varroa population in the hives during summer. For normal Varroa populations the 21 days in September are sufficient. Just to point it out, in the regular fall treatment the plate is placed horizontally on top of the upper brood room, while during the summer treatment the plate is placed in a frame vertically in the upper brood room (remove temporarily a frame with honey to get space). I have used these methods of Varroa control for the last 4 years with good success. Years with extreme cold or hot September/October may cause problems, but however it works! Ulli Höger Germany E-Mail: Hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de ---------------------------------2521250238071-- From cdg1@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!winternet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:54:08 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4plmf8$d7b@tribune.concentric.net> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057037.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com Try 800-555-1212 cdg From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606120146012121@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 63 *From the BEE-List ---------------------------------------- From: "" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:30:37 -0400 Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure To: All interested parties From: Larry Connor, Wicwas Press Re: Industry response to plan to close Tucson Bee Lab The following letter was sent to all members of the U.S. House and Senate Agriculture appropriations Subcommittees on 28 May 1996. The final letter was prepared by Mary Kay Thatcher of the American Farm Bureau. 202 484-3604 fax. Since most of these people involved in the preparation of this letter are not internet users, I feel it is important to post this letter on the B-List. Letter to House and Senate Ag Appropriations Subcommunities The undersigned organizations, representing the entire honey bee industry as well as a vast majority of farmers who need bees for pollination, wish to bring to your attention the U.S. Department of Agriculture/Agricultural Research Service proposal to close the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson, Arizona. There are several reasons why we believe this is not in the best interests of beekeepers or of factors dependent on bees for pollination. The research needs facing the bee industry have never been greater. Mite problems continue to plague beekeepers. Heavy loss of colonies continues at an alarming rate, despite treatment. The continued migration of the Africanized Honey Bee will cause more beekeepers to experience problems while posing significant public health problems as Africanized bees and humans interact. Their impact on pollination is still not clear. Other serious problems include chalkbrood and foulbrood, wax moth and viral bee diseases, The Carl Hayden Center is important because its strategic location in the desert allows researchers to conduct year-round activities on bee and pollination problems. The Center recently developed a public education program to assist pest control officials remove the growing number of unwanted and potentially dangerous Africanized honey bee swarms, The Center was the first ARS facility to have a home page on the World Wide Web, which currently serves 13,000 customer requests per week for information on bees. Earlier this month, the Center's home page won the Secretary's Award. for public service. The Tucson Center is ranked by the ARS as its second most productive bee lab and among the most productive of all ARS laboratories. We understand the budgetary realities that you must address. We want to assist you in meeting those goals and believe this can be accomplished while maintaining a strong research program to address honey bee and pollination problems. Included in this, is transferring wild bee research programs from the ARS facility in Logan, Utah to other ARS laboratories. Additional budget savings, if necessary, should be accomplished by seeking the input from ARS customers-beekeepers and pollination users. While we understand the financial constraints imposed upon ARS, we believe alternatives are available that minimize the impact to ARS' total bee research program. Closing the Tucson lab will have a significant, negative impact on bee research in the U.S. Thank you for considering our views. American Beekeeping Federation American Farm Bureau Federation American Honey Producers Association International Apple Institute United Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Association Western Growers Association --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ - Busy As A Bee With This Mail From jcschaper@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first successful swarm! Date: 12 Jun 1996 19:21:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pnjdv$rla@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> Reply-To: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Congratulations to you first swarm, here in germany all the bees are swarming like mad this year, I successfully collected two swarms, one from the ground (that was easy) for the other one I had to climb a tree. Regards from Germany (Bielefeld), Christoph Schaper mail: jcschaper@aol.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442123@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> From: "Victor C. Rimkus" >Subject: Re: Bumblebees >The way it was explained to me: >honeybees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... >honeybees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... One of Prof. Norman Gary's favorite jokes, you know the Norman Gary from Nuton's Apple. >I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New >Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK >but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for >this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Sorry to hear that, but it is the same in Arizona, and much of Texas. Do you get the monsume summer rains and a shot at late summer or fall flowers and honey? >Pray for rain! If all my prayer's for rain were answered we would all bee perched on some mountain waiting for the water to go down, but I will add a little extra for you anyway.. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442124@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 213 *posted in the BEE-List.. ---------------------------------------- CVE>From: Cliff Van Eaton >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 >Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases [WARNING, if you are not interested in opinion, or are satisfied that facts reported by representatives of any government have some value similar to the words of the LORD from the Holy Bible DO NOT READ THIS POST, trash it, and put the posters name in your personal "kill file" as it contains nothing but PERSONAL OPINION and does not represent the "official" view of any government or any opinion other then the writers own.] **NOTE: The fastest way to end a tread is NOT to post back to it or use E-MAIL. You have been WARNED [page down] for the un-official reply to the official reply from the New Zealand's Apicultural Advisory Officer. CVE>In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 Given>, I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: CVE>1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, >not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. Well, Cliff, I Love My Boss too, even if my position is from the very low perspective of being a life long self employed beekeeper since 1955 and in involuntary forced semi retirement because of beekeeping problems here in California. D, D, and D; Dead bees, Diseased bees, and a Darn bee thief who stole the last 500 healthy hives I had out of a almond orchard the early spring of 95. CVE>3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases >present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Humm, very interesting, but not clear as to why it was not included other then its a "maybe" disease you have but don't want other's to know "officially" you have it, relying on technical semantics to make your case you have it but you don't have it in the report. Do you know about foot notes, much better then the foot in mouth disease. >Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis ha >been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian Much quoting left out but did you know that a few scientists may believe that if you have one acarapis bee mite there is a pretty good chance you have them all or in time will have? Lets see there were four acarapis mites, now there are three, but all of them feed on the bee in the same way, but from different positions on or in the bee, but not to worry only the one's found in the breathing tubes are reason for concern, but then they also can be found in other internal organs and spaces. Yes it is clear, acarapis mites are not good on our bees and NZ does have acarapis mites on some of their bees at one time or another the same as most other areas of the world that have looked for them. CVE>4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed >doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these >persons have for such a claim. One of the problems is that people from NZ who keep bees and are outside of the government or are not involved in the bee export market or representing others who may have such interests do talk with other keepers of bees and they have a opinion that is somewhat different from the "official one" of the NZ Apricot Advasiory Officer on some of the claims of superior health of NZ bees made by others and government and regulatory officials. And NO I am not about to give out names as I am sure others have ways of dealing with these beekeepers and re-educating them on the official regulatory or government position. >posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European >foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government >apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with >the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Here in California, the Left Coast of the USA we have individual beekeepers who check 500 apiaries each year if you count multiply visits it would even bee much higher. We have found just about every kind of disease, pest, and predator, bees can get with the exception of a few exotics that some say would carry the bees, boxes and all away. We are always looking for some new ones to challenge our beekeeping skills. It's the total numbers of hives and the percentage of those numbers inspected that tells the true and honest story of apiary inspection, not numbers of apiaries inspected which could be any number of bee hives per apiary from a few to a lot. It is also somewhat important to clarify that bee inspections are made on individual hives and that if one hive or ten hives are opened and 100 hives are in the yard that to some with regulatory mind set it may be a 100% apiary inspection. Not to a real beekeeper for whom it would only be one or ten hives inspected out of 100 in the bee yard or apiary site. When a beekeeper talks about bee inspection he is normally talking about looking at every hive and not some magic formula that gives some statistical probability that something you have not ever seen does not exist. God made bees and made them subject to diseases, pests, predators, and change, and if any beeman lives long enough and looks hard enough he will someday find them all without traveling farther then his own bee yards. Not finding any one of them does not indicate they don't exist, only that they were not found, yet. >etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by >recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping >industry representatives. This is good and many beekeepers here have a go at our own agricultural and government officials in legislative hearings and the like, and have been successful in reducing their numbers and funding, now relying more on the beekeepers own abilities to detect and suppress disease or any economic beekeeping problem he has. Kind of a back to basics movement of self reliance and with little or no government interference. There are still many beekeepers who would like government to do it all for them, especially so the one's who would like to ship bees into political areas that require some form of official government health certification, but because of the realities in the bee regulatory industry and its value to society as a whole they are not having it their way for the rest of us and those who need the paper work are getting the paper work making everyone happy and secure in their work. CVE>5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past >been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective >trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim >prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering >NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of >honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ >provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic >honey bee diseases. I like this bureaucratic government erratica as it seems as familiar as such statement as "apparently free of pests and disease at the time of inspection", but in reality it is, and always has been and will continue to be in the future "bee buyer bee ware" when you get down to the bottom line in the bee business or hobby it is far better to know the beekeeper who you are dealing with then the bee inspector who inspects the bees as the fox smells his own hole first so a beekeepers knows his own bees best. >Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each >year. I am sure you do not mean to be misleading and would like to part this out to the number of pounds of bees, number of queen bees, as it really appears that you are including the value of honey and other bee products imported into NZ to give the appearance of a open market for bees and queens and I don't believe that is what you wanted to do as it would be very deceptive and to some and less then the true facts to the reader who is not familiar with your countries history of importations of bees and queens. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. In ending I would say again, NZ has there landing rights in Hawaii, be happy in that, but not so secure that in attacking any beekeeper >from the prospective of a government position of any class or rank that these landing rights could not be revoked. You could find the political back lash grater then you expect...From here in the safety of my home office I sit and I can't see the stars or buttons on any uniform and am not impressed by the bureaucratic talk and expect better >from government representatives then what some have provided because of their stated high rank and professional opinion which have the same value as any other's posts or opinion at least to me and a few others I am sure. If they were public servants in California I would demand better and have it but we are not we are just beekeepers. The devil is always in the details and those with the rank better know the details and be able to express them so us lowly beekeepers can and do understand them which does not happen with bureaucrat to bureaucrat making revisions to regulations and public law without the "involved" consent of the people at risk, including the lowly Hawaiian beekeepers. "Involved" means more then a government form letter back acknowledging the receiving of someone's comment. It may be different in other countries, but I am not so sure it is all that much better. New Zealand is a wonderful place, has a wonderful system of government, great public servants, good beekeepers, bees that they can be proud of, but so has Hawaii, or California or Timbuktu and they too have every right to try to protect and promote what they have. Maybe we don't have the luxury of having slick government agents speaking out for us, and maybe what we have to say is hard to follow because of our own short falls in language skills or lack of high education or office, but we will have our say the same as some have had their way with our own bureaucrats. BTW: NZ may be the only place in the world that blames any significant part of their own AFB incidence on the residue of honey left over from emptied import and consumer containers of honey, left in the trash, and believes it...can prove it, and bee proud of it, at the same time they would have us all believe that there is "no risk" to the bees of Hawaii >from NZ bees landing at Hawaii's international airport and some unforeseen careless act which is no different then putting out the trash containing sticky honey containers, something that many in the world of beekeeping would consider a very minor regulatory and bee health problem at the most... I guess it depends a lot on who's ox is being gored but I suspect we have not heard the end of this story which may come from the beekeepers in Canada or the sleeping politicians in Washington, or some other place in the end, God forbidding any New Zealand bees escaping from the trash at Hawaii's airports. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... As doth the meadow-bee, From bahaus@primenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 12 Jun 1996 18:08:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: bahaus@primenet.com X-Posted-By: ip194.nmp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. We have a small side line operation in Idaho, and would like to be able to buy such jars in reasonable quantities so that our prices per jar would be less. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks From afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!van.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:18:36 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-23.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Hello, I am a beekeeper in southwest Florida where bees thrive on orange blossom, palmetto, Brazilian pepper, Melaluca(sp?), and mangrove. I am moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? Sincerely, Nathan Winesett -- Nathan Stamey Winesett afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 13 Jun 1996 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4pp91u$q7j@news.sandia.gov> References: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bahaus@primenet.com bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) wrote: >I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, >or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. You should check your Yellow Pages for packaging suppliers in your area. I have been getting mine from a local outfit in order to save the shipping. I usually buy in bulk and it takes me a couple years to dwindle the supply. The local suppliers stock bears & spouts, pint thru gallon plastic bottles and all sorts of plain and fancy glass jars. Victor in Albuquerque From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:38:01 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From Phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: Steve Phillips Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Archives Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:53 -0700 Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: syru2-153.syr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Are the discussions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping archived anywhere? From lnfisk@cyberhighway.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cyberhighway.net!usenet From: Larry F Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: price of beeswax? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:29:42 -0600 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cam-pm1-25.cyberhighway.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Hi, I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606130741562130@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> Lines: 22 >From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" >Subject: Arizona honey crops >moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I >know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? You will have a blast, as the dreaded "killer" bee have now reached the area and it is said the bees feed on the local people and small animals. But not to fear they are reported to bee very productive in years past but because of a "100 year drought" the prospects for honey crops of any kind are very poor as the trees and brush are dieing from the lack of moisture. With luck this will have changed by the time you reach there and the summer rains will have returned, at least the beekeepers there hope so or they will have to feed there bees this fall to keep them alive. The drought extends for Southern California to Texas and the amounts of honey produced in much of the area has been very poor to nothing. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... "Having found the flower and driven a bee away, From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: low temperqture queens Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:15:10 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ppiau$juc@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4pjqcp$ajd@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin029.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Ok, it will take longer, but why they should be bigger and stronger? From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cancer/honey Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:32:32 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4ppjbg$juc@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <30B6446B.135@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin029.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, some old recipes use honey for therapy if your are ill. Honey was known for his aseptic effect by my grandma. In winter she gave us hot milk with honey to prevent or effect bad colds. I think that there are some enzymes and antibiotics in honey (like in propolis) to do the aseptic work. The surgeon doesn´t control the Varroa? His beekeeping neighborhood will love him for reinvasion of the mites in their hives. I think he should think about a way of Varroa control without using Apistan, Bayvarol, Perizin etc, many alternatives are aviable. A lot people don´t want the chemistry in their hives and use these residue-free methods (Formic acid and cutting out drone-brood are two of these alternatives)with very good results. Much is written and told about Varroa resistant bees, but who realy got them? Best reards Ulli From jryan@advtech.uswest.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!engineer.mrg.uswest.com!news.advtech.uswest.com!usenet From: Jenny Ryan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:41:49 -0600 Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 27 Message-ID: <31C060ED.5862EBC3@advtech.uswest.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: intrigue.advtech.uswest.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) To: Francis Miquet Francis Miquet wrote: > > > taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such > adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune > to bee stings? i remember reading somewhere sometime (love those precise references eh?) that you need to get at least 10 stings a year to develop an immunity. i've had bees for 9 (or 10?) years and have always had the same mild reaction 'till last summer. we had a lousy spring in Colorado, and the bees were as grumpy as could be. i got stung several times throughout the spring, and then one day i went out to mess around without being properly dressed. i got a bazillion (that's a lot!) bees inside my shirt and got plenty of stings. i felt a little icky afterwards, and they itched for a few days. but then for the rest of the summer i had zero reaction to stings! i'd feel the sting, but then nothing afterwards! the really amazing thing was that it seemed i also hardly reacted to mosquito bites last summer either. coincidence? i've only been stung once so far this year, and had my usual mild reaction. i'd rather not be immune than go through what i went through last summer ! From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Nuke Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:09 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31C0CAB5.7E65@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Greetings all, I'm just starting in beekeeping and will be needing a nuke in the next two weeks. I live in Beltsville, MD. As far as I can determine there are none available in this area. Can anyone help me? mailto:jdalexa@his.com Thanks much John Alexander From w3zid@voicenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!goodnews.voicenet.com!usenet From: w3zid@voicenet.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars===================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:28:07 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4pqipa$hs@goodnews.voicenet.com> References: <43jsa1$e0e@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com> <9606091009422107@beenet.com> Reply-To: w3zid@voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ivyland218.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars [article deleted] Wow, is that a surprise to me! It takes more of less-effective pesticides to achieve the same level of control. -- John E. Taylor III W3ZID E-mail: w3zid@voicenet.com From nickw@wave.co.nz Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!ames!waikato!wave.co.nz!usenet From: Nick Wallingford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:47:04 -0700 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31C1DDD8.5528@wave.co.nz> References: <9606101718162113@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wh9-1.wave.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *FYI* Official NZ Government reaction to beekeepers post in the > BEE-List. > ---------------------------------------- > From: Cliff Van Eaton > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 > Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases It isn't 'official' and it isn't from the 'NZ Government', but apart from that, you got it right... Cliff Van Eaton is employed by MAF Quality Management, the 'operational' arm of the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries. He most certainly does not speak on behalf of the NZ Government. He does not even speak for MAF Regulatory Authority, who develop and administer the policies related to agriculture. Nick Wallingford NZ National Beekeepers Assn President home nickw@wave.co.nz work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa help Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606132034072134@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 *FYI* Not sure how she want them, dead or alive, so if any are interested they should do e-mail to her. ---------------------------------------- From: Lilia Ibay de Guzman Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:51:44 -0400 Subject: Varroa help Dear Bee-liners; My name is Lilia de Guzman, and I am a research entomologist at the USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Lab in Baton Rouge. I am in need of representative samples of varroa from across the United States for research purposes. If you would be interested in helping me by collecting mites, please contact me directly at: lguzman@asrr.arsusda.gov I appreciate any assistance you can provide. Thank you, Lilia --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need a mentor Date: 13 Jun 1996 23:50:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of bees that sit outside the hive and all the wax that builds up on the edges of the frames, and my smokers goes out. Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? Thanks Charles Henry Arkansas jchenry500@aol.com From Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:45 EDT 1996 Article: 4619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!line114.nwm.mindlink.net!Thomas_Storey From: Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:09:43 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line114.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >Subject: sting relief >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 >It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am >taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such >adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune >to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily >with systemic reactions. >Thanks for your insight. This just might be the beginning of the end of beekeeping for you, as happened to me. I became progressively more sensitive to the stings until I started to break out in hives and had trouble breathing. This was after two or three stings at once. I got the message and sold my hives. Good luck, Tom From afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:45 EDT 1996 Article: 4620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Arizona honey crops Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:31:13 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bb59b4.177bdf40$8708e3c7@nathan> References: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> <9606130741562130@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-8.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Well, I just called one of my professors from Tucson, and he said it rained today! Thank goodness for the bees. When visited this spring, the Palos Verde trees were in full bloom. Quite pretty. Which plants are the honeymakers? I am excited about the Arizona beekeeping experience. It sounds as if it will be quite different from Florida where bees have a plethora of crops throughout most of the year. Yet, I would of expected more crops in Arizona because of the fact that African honeybees reside there. I thought they required a nectar flow at intervals throughout the year, since they spend all of there energy(i.e. honey) swarming. That is the reason they couldn't survive in temperate regions. -- Nathan Stamey Winesett afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu From ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:46 EDT 1996 Article: 4621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!ron From: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Value of Specialty Pollination Date: 14 Jun 1996 19:01:14 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4psctq$ije@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Summary: Value of Crop/Seed Crop Pollination Keywords: bee plant breeder pollination X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] Can anyone provide me with information on prices for the following specialty pollination services using (honey) bees; 1. Isolation tents producing progeny by crossing two desirable cultivars. Seeds are used in line trials while developing new cultivars. 2. General crop pollination service (example: orchards). Any information will be helpful. Please email or post to this group. Thank-you in advance for your comments. sincerely ron -- Ronald Grootkarzyn email: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca 4013 - 114 Avenue phone: (403) 479-2672 Edmonton, AB, T5W 0S9 From vandy@avana.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:46 EDT 1996 Article: 4622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tiger.avana.net!root From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:56:10 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31c16563.36095831@news.avana.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: atl85.avana.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:09:43 GMT, Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) wrote: >In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >>From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >>Subject: sting relief >>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 > >>It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >>has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >>numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >>be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >>reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am >>taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such >>adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune >>to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily >>with systemic reactions. > Try taking the anti-histamines before working with the bees. Are you eating honey and getting enough vitamins? Both are important, deficiencies can make reactions more violent. Venom usually acts as a cumulative poison. Reaction worsens up to the point of severe reaction, then the body gains a higher tolerance and reactions become less violent. I am basing this on my problems with a wasp/hornet allergy. I have had severe enough reactions to need a doctor to save my life. Now when stung I quickly take an anti-histamin, concentrate on relaxing and have very mild reactions. I do not have bees yet. My family kept bees when I was a child. I did not suffer from hay fever until our last hive died in hard winter and my source of local raw honey died with the hive. I have been lurking here for a while trying to learn as much as possible before getting our first hive. I am in west central Georgia, USA. Any bee keepers close? Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:16:49 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31C17451.173F@umich.edu> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Larry F wrote: > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? > I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. I got US$2.25/lb when I sold a batch in January. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 14 Jun 1996 19:43:13 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 In article <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: > I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. > Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of > bees that sit outside the hive and all the wax that builds up on the edges > of the frames, and my smokers goes out. > > Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? > > Thanks > Charles Henry > Arkansas > jchenry500@aol.com I'm a newbee as well to beekeeping. I befriended a local bee-keeper last year and became his "apprentice" of sorts. I volunteered my time in exchange for first hand experience. This year I'm on my own. There must be bee-keepers near to where you live. It sure beats the internet in terms of learning potential. Francis From Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.seanet.com!usenet From: (WALLY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:34:59 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31c1f02b.8645085@NEWS.SEANET.COM> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: norm.seanet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 13 Jun 1996 23:50:00 -0400, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: I found that if I let the smoker warm up well at first (get some coals going at the bottom) before I start stuffing in whatever I'm useing at the time (pine cones, cardboard, egg cartons, etc.) it stays lit OK. You need to pump it every once in a while after its going, and its easy to loose track of time. Its taken me years to figure this one out. I think you are refering to propolis instead of wax on the edges of the frames. Its the stuff bees use to glue things together and block out light and drafts. Some hives use more than others. There are lots of books out there, but the one I have that I find myself referring to the most is called "Keeping Bees" by John Vivian. Lots of down to earth stuff and good pictures. From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:17:27 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4pt60g$92u@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Larry F wrote: >Hi, >I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? >I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. What continent are you on? From adamf@helios.oit.unc.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!helios.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@helios.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Archives Date: 16 Jun 1996 16:39:14 -0400 Organization: University of North Carolina Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4q1rdi$bb4@helios.oit.unc.edu> References: <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu In article <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us>, Steve Phillips wrote: >Are the discussions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping archived anywhere? Yes they are: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/ sci.agriculture.beekeeping/ Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apicultural and Beekeeping Archives adamf@sunsite.unc.edu From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.2sprint.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:24:27 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4pt6dk$92u@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: > concerned about the hundreds of >bees that sit outside the hive Most likely, nothing to worry about. The hive has to stay at a specific temperature/humidity and so the bees are more likely to be out of the hive to reduce the temp or humidity. Its their way of controlling the condition of the hive. >and all the wax that builds up on the edges >of the frames Let me know IF you ever discover the solution to this !!! > and my smokers goes out. Yep, mine too! Many solutions exist, you just have to experiment until you find one that works for you. Packed sawdust in a wire cage, pine needles, burning cow chips, on and on and on..... :-) From rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!rberean From: rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood Frame Storage Date: 15 Jun 1996 14:16:52 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] I had bad winter losses and now have about 60 brood frames to store until next summer. If I stack them about 6 high on a base plate and put a few mothballs in each stack, will the wax, pollen or honey be permanently contaminated. Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or is this just a bad idea. Thanks . From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief READ THIS! Date: 14 Jun 1996 16:55:04 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ps5h8$k0@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 In fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca writes: > It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it > has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung > numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should > be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent > reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am > taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such > adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune > to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily > with systemic reactions. > > Thanks for your insight. Some individuals become MORE, not less, sensitive to bee stings with increased exposure. As noted previously, you may be one of those individuals, and this may be the end of casual beekeeping for you. GO SEE A DOCTOR! Preferably an allergy specialist who is familiar with this phenomenon. DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU! People have died from this. Perhaps some of them were even taking ill-informed advice to go get stung. Anaphylactic shock is an ugly, ugly way to die. Good luck, C From ajdel@interramp.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip79.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 14 Jun 1996 11:47:12 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.79 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:57:35 GMT In article <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> JCHenry500, jchenry500@aol.com writes: >I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. >Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of >bees that sit outside the hive They're just doing the same thing you'd do on a hot evening: go out and sit on the porch. Also, if you look carefully, you'll see that some of them have their rear ends up in the air, their heads down facing the hive entrance. These are beating their wings to force air through the hive to cool it. It is important that there is a vent at the top of the hive such as is made by raising one edge of the cover (put an entrance reducer or some similarly dimensioned piece of wood on the inside cover) so that this air can circulate over the combs and out. >... and all the wax that builds up on the edges >of the frames, Many bees today are not familiar with the Rev. Langstroth's work and so are not aware that they shouldn't build burr and bridge comb in a modern hive. This is also pefectly normal (and a nuisance). >and my smokers goes out. Give it a puff of air from time to time. Don't pack it too tight. > >Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? > Collectively there is lots of experience here at all levels from beginers (like me) to people who have been nurturing bees for years. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From studenta@learncenter.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: studenta@learncenter.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: 13 Jun 1996 12:39:18 -0700 Organization: Zippo Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4ppqp6$7qe@doc.zippo.com> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.123.40 In article , Larry says... > >Hi, >I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? >I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. From paulp@ims.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:26:47 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >reactions to the odd sting? ===============snip========== The human immune system is at best poorly understood. An exposure to an antigen today may cause decreased sensitivity to future exposure but then something changes and the opposite effect happens. A friend of mine kept bees for 20 years without problems, but then a few years ago he started getting reactions to stings similar to what you describe. He decided to give it up at that point. One thing you could do is to see an allergist who can test for sensitivity under somewhat controlled conditions. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns1.netone.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa as bio control for feral bees Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606142001392139@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 97 ---------------------------------------- * Personal e-mail from: wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Adrian Wenner) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:06:51 PDT Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees Hi, Andy. You wrote: >No I have never heard or experienced [strong aggression in a weak hive]; >if >anything the weaker the >hives with varroa or without the less aggressive the bees to the point >that the last dozen or so bees fly off into oblivion when opened. > >How did the bees on this isolated island get varroa mite in the first >place? How far from shore is it? We covered this topic in an abstract in last December's issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL (p. 831). That abstract was as follows: ****** Wenner, A. M., R. W. Thorp, and J. F. Barthell - VARROA MITES IN AN ISLAND ECOSYSTEM - In October 1987, we initiated a program to remove all European honey bees from Santa Cruz Island, California, in an attempt to help restore native bee populations and pollination systems in the Channel Islands National Park (Thorp, et al., 1994, Fourth California Islands Symposium, pp. 351-365; Wenner and Thorp, 1994, Fourth California Islands Symposium, pp. 513-522). That island is the largest (25,000 hectares), the most diverse of the five islands, and the only one with honey bees within the park (for more than 120 years, with apparently no interchange of bees between island and mainland during that time). Ironically, the first U.S. varroa decimated colonies were found in Wisconsin as we conceived our program and on the nearby California mainland in 1989. Unaware of the universal threat posed by varroa, we proceeded with our studies of competition between native and European honey bees and continued to exterminate honey bee colonies on the island. Besides gathering data on flower visitation and seed set, we have so far located and monitored the fate of a total of 280 colonies, those in original cavities and those in many of the nearly 150 swarm hives we have installed around the island. We eliminated most colonies found until we recognized - in the face of accumulating evidence of near total devastation of feral colonies in the U.S. - that our island honey bee colonies To retain control of the system rather than wait for colony decimation, in mid-winter of 1993-1994 we distributed 90 varroa mites on the eastern half of the island (that portion of the island closest to the mainland). We ceased efforts to eliminate colonies, permitted swarms to recolonize cavities and swarm hives, and prepared to monitor mite spread. To assist in monitoring, we installed a few colonies in Langstroth hives (with mite trays) on each half of the island. At the end of the 1995 season, 112 colonies now inhabit known sites. In the 20 months after mite dispersal, only two of the 78 pre-1995 feral colonies had perished (of unknown causes but in inaccessible locations). Monthly checks of the two Langstroth colonies indicate that varroa mites are reproducing. After a seven-hour Apistan treatment of each of the Langstroth colonies 15 months after infestation, we found 137 mites in one tray and 70 in the other. Four months later, an examination of 56 drone pupae in the former colony yielded 65 mites. Worker brood remains largely unaffected. An examination of a swarm hive colony from another drainage yielded similar results; normal worker brood pattern occurred as found in the two Langstroth colonies (very low infestation rates - 314 worker pupae had only 6 mites), but 463 drone pupae harbored 450 mites (all stages). We intend to continue monitoring the system, a unique opportunity in that no uncontrolled beekeeping activity exists in that closed (uninhabited) island situation. We have not transported any mites from the eastern half of the island to the western half, so we will eventually be able to determine how much time passes before mites infest the entire island. ********** We had hoped that a colony or two would survive and could serve as breeding stock, but results from the last two trips indicate such a possibility is remote. On the other hand, we seem to have the first documentation about the time it takes for a whole population of feral colones to go under to the mite onslaught. Best wishes. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Dept.Ecol.,Evol.,& Mar.Biol. Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2675 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-8062 * * * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Permadent and Plasticell Foundation Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:13:46 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4q1ajc$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Is Mann Lake's Permadent foundation essentially the same thing as Dadant's Plasticell? From Mann Lake's description, Permadent appears similar but is sold at a significantly lower cost ($0.72 vs. $0.94 for Plasticell, lost of 1000). Any experience/comparison info is appreciated! Thanks, John in Dallas From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Replacing Old Comb Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:13:49 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Can someone kindly point me to scientific evidence that replacing old brood combs actually benefits the health and/or honey production of a colony? I've read speculation/hearsay on this, but would actually like to read the scientific basis. Thanks, John in Dallas From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Average Yield per Super Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:17:06 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q1apj$ohn@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 What is the average honey yield (extracted) per medium depth super? Per shallow super? I'm looking for a practical factor that I can use to estimate my production. Also, is there a significant difference in yield using eight frames instead of nine? Thanks, John in Dallas From NateS@svi.org Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.MediaCity.com!usenet From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Varroa Problem Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:07:18 -0700 Organization: MediaCity World http://www.mediacity.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31C50426.2966@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.110.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Unfortunately, it looks like I've just been initiated into the Varroa club. Oh, Joy! So, I could use some advice from some veteran beekeepers. I've only got two hive, one of which is infected. I'm certain that I caught it early, since I requeened the hive about a month ago and only the new bees have the mites (I lost the queen when I pulled some frames to start the second... I think I transferred her by accident). Anyway, the hive is in its second year and had no known problems previous to the requeening. The connection between the requeening and the first appearance of the mites gets me thinking... could I have gotten a bad batch of bees with the queen? Is there any seriously implemented regulation on queen bee distribution to avoid the spread of mites?? Should I contact the queen supplier? Of course, I know that there is no way to know for sure where the mites came from, but the timing sure makes me wonder. So, I'm going to add Apistan to both hives (no honey supers this year). I read about putting a collector with sticky paper at the base of the hive. Is that something that I can buy, build, need?? Should I do anything else?? I'm really concerned about introducing Varroa into the area (if it really did come from the queen supplier). I know of two bee trees that sit several hundred feet from my hives that lived there before I started beekeeping in the area. Of course, I can't really treat them with Apistan but is there something I should do to avoid the possible spread into the wild population (unless that's where it came from). Help.... thanks. Nate From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: mavrik Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:33:41 GMT References: <31C21673.6CA6@pacifier.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 If you look carefully on the back of your container of Mavrik, you will notice something quite obvious: the lack of label mixing directions for the control of Varroa mite. If it is your intention to do the following; break a Federal Law, risk contaminating your honey with pesticide, and ruin the reputation for purity that American honey has held for years, go right ahead. But, kindly don't ask fellow beekeepers to assist you in this endeavor. Jon Camp - Silver City Apiaries From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:44:24 GMT References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 I'd like to see the same evidence. I heard the same rumors; that one should replace comb when it became the color of chocolate. (but was that milk or semi-sweet?) I also heard from a reliable source, that a study was done many years ago at the Tuscon Lab in AZ of exactly what possible contaminants might remain in old comb, even after it was processed for new foundation. Evidently, the results were so startling that the study information was sealed and the project was cancelled. One can only surmise that the results were not favorable? I was also told that one of the researchers is still active in the scientific field of apiculture but will not publicly disclose the information that was gathered. I guess we still be left to wonder what it was that the feds didn't want us (as beekeepers) or the public to know. J. Camp From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Validity of "new" Varroa mite control? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:03:53 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 I was recently sent a letter by a beekeeper friend describing a "new" combination of four otc chemicals applied by soaking a sponge in this mixture and placing it on the top bars for ten days, and repeating the procedure four times. I was also informed that this procedure was being tested by the USDA and was sanctioned by the same agency as experimental. Without openly revealing the ingredients, has anyone else heard of this procedure, or has anyone working for any state or Federal Ag. agency heard of this procedure and it's legitimacy? I have heard rumors of formic acid, thymol, and various other relatively available ingedients being used and/or tested for use for the control of Varroa in colonies, but no legitimate means of using them without penalty or risk of contamination of honey. I wouldn't mind forgoing a saleable honey crop on several colonies if there were a legal way to register for experimental control. Anybody run across anybody involved in such a program(s) either public or private? Or the results of the much touted use of Formic acid and why we haven't heard about legitimate use of it? Jon Camp From matti.heikkila@hut.fi Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!usenet From: "Matti Heikkilä" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: 17 Jun 1996 09:21:04 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4q3820$r9f@nntp.hut.fi> References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpc.hut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: jcaldeira@earthlink.net jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > > Can someone kindly point me to scientific evidence that replacing >old brood combs actually benefits the health and/or honey production >of a colony? > > I've read speculation/hearsay on this, but would actually like to >read the scientific basis. > >Thanks, >John in Dallas > Hello everybody! I have done beekeeping over 10 years and have replaced old combs frequently. I thought always that the main reason is that if you don't replace your old combs your bees are getting smaller. And an another reason is that my friends want to have brighter honey. Honey from brood combs is a bit darker. Matti From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!world1.bawave.com!news.clark.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National News of BEES Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606160848552146@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 52 WOW, a double dose of press PR on beekeeping problems used to draw the viewers attention from the Presidential problems with the FBI files found at the White house and into the bee yards of America's beekeepers. According to CNN all that is left for us beekeepers is to hear the fat lady singing as we are losing the battle to the vampire mite and the T mites. Our civilization is being threatened because of all that value added to the food chain by our bees is sure to be soon lost. Wild honey bees are gone, and beekeepers are following their lead and fleeing the bee industry with little but the shirts on our backs. But not to worry the USDA is hard at work designing a honeybee that fights back and is not affected by the mites. Funny thought went through my mind as I watched these programs, and that is that the bees that are not surviving the winter or what ever stress puts them down are for the most part mite free because of the chemicals the beekeeping are using according to the regulations, labels's and best advice of the USDA. I can't explain the loss of feral honeybee populations but only to say they are only a reflection of the managed or hive bee populations and have been reduced in at least this area way before any mites were know to bee in the US and I know that in total there has been very little long term study done on the feral honeybees to support their disappearance or the cause which could be from any number of environmental changes temporary or long term. Now NBC takes a different approach with the good news that the so called "killer" bees are not the killers they were made out to be, and better then that in Texas they have become hard to find (for over the last two years) because they must have all been integrated by our good bee gene pool or some such waco babble. I would suggest that maybe the reason they are hard to find is that "they were never there in the first place", and maybe it could be when the USDA brought in a real geneticist who was not swayed by the so called BS (bee science) from those in the USDA and elsewhere who would stoup so low as to do everything they could to show a real aggressive and dangerous bee problem for the public cameras, including if you have not noticed not using smoke when pulling hives apart, and this neophyte bee scientist went out on a search for the so called TEX-MEX bee and did not find any...Two years later the press is telling us something which could be a preview of a 60 Minutes special down the road or maybe just Night Line, and for sure many local news outlets will give this story legs for a day or so in the farm belt if nothing else. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frame Storage Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:26:45 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4q3pv5$hib@news.sandia.gov> References: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: > Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or >is this just a bad idea. Thanks . Paradichlorobenzene is the correct one to use. It comes in crystal form. Do not use napthalene. Victor in Albuquerque. From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tom.compulink.co.uk From: MICHAEL HURLEY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first successful swarm! Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:31:39 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: Reply-To: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.compulink.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:25 BST-1 X-Mail2News-Path: tom.compulink.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Varroa Problem Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:13:09 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4q406l$a98@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <31C50426.2966@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin051.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: NateS@svi.org Hi Nate, If you really get the mites a month ago with your new queen and the handfull of nursing bees than there is no need to start the treatment in the next 2-3 month, because the Varroa population is in the moment to weak to effect your collonies. It take some time for them to grow dangerous, and there is no need to give up the honey season. In Germany the mites are present in all hives, and the beekeepers do Varroa treatment in fall or winter, depending on the method they use, after the honey season. So, if you got only a small number of mites in your hive there is no need to start treatment immeadly. Do it after honey harvesting, because if you give no room for collecting honey you will get problems with swarming bees very soon. They will have no more room for breeding, because you can´t stop them from collecting nectar and they will store it in the breeding room. If there are serious numbers of mites in your hives, and you want to start a treatment now, than it might be an idea to think about methods which make no trouble with the honey: 1.-the mites reproduce only in sealed broodcells, and they prefer drone (male) brood (longer time of development). A way to reduce the mite population during the honey season is to cut out frames with sealed drone brood (burn them!), or, if your bees had no sealed brood for a period of 1-2 weeks (maybee they had no queen for htis period) remove the first frame with sealed broodcells >from the new queen. Most of the mites should be in these cells for reproduction. 2.-formic acid is very effective in Varroa control. It is known that residues of formic acid in honey are reduced during 2 month to the natural amount of formic acid in honey. A short time treatment with formic acid for 2 weeks (for example in a honey break) will control the mites and have only a small temporary, or no effect on the later collected honey. Another positive point of formic acid is, that you get the mites also in the brood cells. If a mite treatment can wait to the end of the honey season I would recommend 1., otherwise I would think about 2.. with best regards Ulli P.S. You can get the mites from your beekeeping neigbour, bees visit other hives very often for robbery or in case of navigation errors etc (or drones from other colonies!). and transfer the mites. It will take some time to see the first mites on the bees, because they have to build up a population. You will never be able to find a single mite in a hive (most of them are inside the broodcells). I would prefer this explanation, because it will take more time than a month to build up a visible Varroa population in a hive if there are only a few starter mites transfered with a new queen and their nursing bees (or did you add a large number of bees to your hive (packet-bees)?) I hope you are able to get throug my cruel english and will find a way to live with the mites, because they will never leave you forever (You might kill 99% with apistan or others, but 1% is suffcient to built up a new population). From peddler@io.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.io.com!usenet From: peddler@io.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Murdered Farmers wife needs your help Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:26:49 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q41e0$p0k@nntp-1.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.170.92.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 6/12/96 a nice old man named Bailey was murdered in his field in Dickinson Texas near Houston. Since he was gunned down his invalid widow has relied on nieghbors to feed her pigs and cows. She needs to sell her livestock,tractor and other farm equipment. She does not want charity,but if you would be interested in buying her out at a fair price please contact me by e-mail or call James Bond-his real name-at 713-337-3069 God Bless Forrest Charnock From bbirkey@interaccess.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehive Plans Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:22:50 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 80 Message-ID: <31C5865A.1086@interaccess.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d46.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5C04241266EA" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C04241266EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all who have requested plans for building a beehive - I have finally managed to get my web site up and now have the working drawings available for making the Langstroth 10 frame hive and cutting the box joints. 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--------------5C04241266EA-- From peddler@io.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.io.com!usenet From: peddler@io.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Murdered Farmers Wife Need Help Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:01:24 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q43f1$de4@anarchy.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-01-005.houston.io.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 6/12/96 a nice old man named Bailey was murdered in his field in Dickinson Texas near Houston. Since he was gunned down his invalid widow has relied on nieghbors to feed her pigs and cows. She needs to sell her livestock,tractor and other farm equipment. She does not want charity,but if you would be interested in buying her out at a fair price please contact me by e-mail or call James Bond-his real name-at 713-337-3069 God Bless Forrest Charnock From us71na@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: us71na@aol.com (US71NA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite control without chemicals Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:16:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q47el$ebh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: us71na@aol.com (US71NA) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Are there any ways that seem to be working to control varroa or trachael mites without resorting to chemicals. I heard that perhaps planting spearmint near the hives will control one or the other. Has anyone had any experice with this or other methods. Second question, what are the most successful chemical treatments and when are they best applied for bees that are to winter over in northern PA. I had no trouble until mites landed about two years ago. Lee From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Average Yield per Super Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:50:12 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <31C59AD4.6D4B@umich.edu> References: <4q1apj$ohn@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) John Caldeira wrote: > > > What is the average honey yield (extracted) per medium depth super? > Per shallow super? I'm looking for a practical factor that I can use > to estimate my production. > > Also, is there a significant difference in yield using eight frames > instead of nine? > I don't know about the shallow depth super, but I have checked my yields on medium depth supers for several years, and it averages exactly 40 lbs per super, with eight frames per super. I have never used nine frames in supers, so could not comment on that. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frame Storage Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:54:13 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31C59BC5.1362@umich.edu> References: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: > > I had bad winter losses and now have about 60 brood > frames to store until next summer. If I stack them about 6 > high on a base plate and put a few mothballs in each stack, > will the wax, pollen or honey be permanently contaminated. > Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or > is this just a bad idea. Thanks . I used to put the paradichlorobenzene into the stack, as you suggest, but it did contaminate the combs, and make them hard to get accepted by the bees again. I think it works fine to throw the crystals about at the foot and top of the (covered) stack. The moths won't come around if the whole room or shed smells of crystals. (However, mold you still will get!!) Ted Fischer From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee cryogenics? Date: 17 Jun 1996 19:03:09 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4q4a5d$7ap@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can early brood be frozen (i.e. by liquid N2) to be revitalized at a later time? -mike From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:15:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q4eds$kcd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Thanks to all. Have several willinf to help. "With bees, you never know"..Poo From paulp@ims.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor (find the Queen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:50:38 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4ptcoc$7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <4ptcoc$7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wizdoom@aol.com (WizDoom) writes: >Hi everyone, >I am also new to beekeeping. I live in tuc ,az and i am looking for >suggestions on how best to locate the queen. I need to requeen a colony >but i am having trouble finding her. Its an old unkept hive that was given >to me that was mite unfested and crammed full of honey but all the comb >was dark and no foundations in the frames. >What a mess. Trying to nurse it to full strength but it has been tough. My >first year >with bees and I love it . Jest two hives but lloking for more. >Thanks in advance. I use a technique which I read about here for re-queening without finding the old queen. It goes something like this: Take a few frames of brood from the hive, brush the nurse bees back into the hive (so you are positive the queen is not on these frames). Put these frames in another box and put it on top of the old hive with a queen excluder separating them. Put the lid back on and leave them alone for half an hour while more nurse bees move up into it. What you have done now is to make a nuc without a queen. Now you can introduce the new queen into this nuc and either remove it as a separate hive, or leave it in place as a two queen colony. If you do the latter, you can wait until the new queen gets established and then move more brushed off frames to the upper section until the lower section (with the old queen) is a more manageable size. (Divide and conquere?) Have fun. This technique has helped me with a few difficult situations. From survey@uoguelph.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!torn!ccshst05.uoguelph.ca!tdg.res.uoguelph.ca!survey From: survey@uoguelph.ca (Rural Extension Studies Survey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Research Study on Rural Internet Use Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:38:41 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4q4foh$g7h@ccshst05.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tdg.res.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rural areas are often at a disadvantage when trying to access emerging technologies. A group of researchers at the University of Guelph are exploring how rural residents are able to access, use, and adapt to the Internet. The purpose of this study is to determine how rural residents differ from urban residents in their use of the Internet, and to determine the impact of Internet use on agriculture and agriculture related businesses. The information gathered will be used to help eliminate barriers to Internet use, and to improve the quality of Internet services offered to rural residents. Responses to the survey will be completely anonymous, however once the survey has been completed, participants will be offered the opportunity to enter a draw for a free pass to an upcoming conference on Rural Telecommunications, and a University of Guelph sweatshirt and baseball cap. Your assistance would be valuable to this study. Please take the time to fill out the survey and alert others of it's existence. The survey and more information regarding the study is located at: Internet use in Rural Areas http://tdg.uoguelph.ca/rural/ For those who do not have web access, an alternative format is available on request. Please send a message to survey@tdg.uoguelph.ca for more information. Thank you for your assistance, Don Richardson, Linda Mayhew and Wendy Truelove From softanswer@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weak Hive Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:07:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am new to beekeeping. I now have two hives: the first was started about 2 months ago with part of a hive gathered from an old house that was discovered when siding torn off. Turns out there was a queen and the hive is developing albeit slowly. Three weeks ago I started a new hive with a three pound package and it is thriving and almost ready for the 2nd super. These bees are robbing the feeder from the original hive, emptying it twice as fast as their own feeder. The two hives are side by side four feet apart. My question is: would it be okay to destroy the queen from the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Wayne Brown From dxn3520@Montana.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!pagesat.net!maw.montana.com!news From: doug baty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa mite control Date: 18 Jun 1996 02:27:46 GMT Organization: Internet Connect Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4q5472$19r@maw.montana.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blk1-41.montana.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping After losing 23 of my 30 hives two years ago to mites, I was feeling some despair about keeping bees, since I did not want to depend on using Apistan. (I had used it in the fall prior to the loss of my hives). Last summer I began using the herbal mixture which Steve Tuttle calls 'Mite Solution'. I want to share with other beekeepers my results. All 7 of the hives I started with last summer came through this winter in good shape. I have checked drone brood in each hive and used new Apistan strips in 2 of the hives with sticky boards for a 2 day test and have found NO MITES. Somehow the product is working. Unfortunately, Steve has chosen not to make public which herbs are in it (it smells like Tea Tree oil, but apparently isn't). Anyhow, from my limited experience, it does work, although I applied it in with Crisco patties rather than on a screen outside of the hive as he had recommended- that just didn't seem to work well for me. Anyone else had any positive or negative experiences? From jcschaper@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 17 Jun 1996 23:59:29 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q59j1$ic7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> Reply-To: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com do the bees have enough space in the breeding room? maybe there are some honey combs that are full and the bees don't have enough space (also a problem with heat) the young bees just sit oudside because they have nothing to do, it is hot, and maybe not enough space. Maybe you just change a honey-comb with an empty frame so that they have something to do, regards, Christoph Schaper (germany) also beginner From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much can these gals eat? Date: 18 Jun 1996 00:57:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q5d0e$lvg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com My package hive is about 2 months old. I have a Boardman feeder in place with a 16 ounce jar. This is empty every day! I have looked and looked, there is no sign of a leak! Can they really eat this much. SHould I keep feeding them, or are they just pigs. I put the new jar on last night and watched. Every 30 seconds or so there was a little bubble going up through the jar. Waited about 45 minutes and removed it and looked in the feeder, no loose syrup. So I'm pretty sure it isn't leaking? So feed and wait? Thanks From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.randomc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almonds Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606171733012149@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 132 *FYI* more info then you every wanted to know on bees & almonds. ---------------------------------------- SP>From: Sid Pullinger >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:29:33 +0100 >Subject: Almonds SP>My thanks to Andy Nachbaur for his very long reply and to Frank Humphrey for >his very short one. As regards the latter, we also have 640 acres to the >square mile so it would appear that our measurements coincide. Now why >should measurements fool me? 600,000 acres divided by 640 gives my figure >of 625 square miles and that, I repeat, represents a lot of almonds. If >they require 800,000 hives for pollination that bill alone must run into >many million dollars. A huge industry. Surely they do not all go into >cakes and candy bars. Hi Sid, The highest price is paid for the smallest almonds, because they can be used in candy bars whole. Hershey Chocolate Company uses so many almonds in their candy that they actually built a factory in the heart of the almonds because the savings in freight alone would pay for the multi million dollar factory over the years. In 1996 it is estimated that the beekeepers who supplied the bees for almond pollination received an average of $32.00 dollars for each hive provided for the almond bloom, that would add up to more then $25 million dollars cash flow to the beekeepers, which they spent for sugar, fuel, and in replacing bees for next years bloom. Only a few beekeepers could support themselves off the almond bloom alone, and sadly most others need the cash flow from the almonds to start the season in hopes of that big honey crop later on. About half the almonds produced are processed by one grower CO-OP called the Almond Growers Exchange. They at one time in the early days handled honey for beekeepers but failed in that effort and lost a lot of money for the beekeepers. A few years ago they also had to be stopped from selling one product they called "Almond Honnies" that listed artificial honey (sugar) in the ingredient statement, but contained NO (O%) honey, they do use a few drums of honey annually in a almond candy they manufacture for the Christmas trade and for their own retail stores. In total little honey is used in almond products in favor of cheep sugar and corn products. This is one area that the beekeepers could significantly increase the consumption of honey if the right pressure was applied like in the deal you can't turn down. "USE MY HONEY, or get NO BEES!" The almonds are shook from the trees when dry in the fall or late summer. They then are picked up and taken to a almond hulling plant that removes the dry outer hull (not shell). The hull is used for cattle feed if not too contaminated with farm chemicals. The nuts then can be dried if needed, and sent on for further processing which includes the removing of the wood shell. They shell is also used. The almonds are then graded and start the long manufacturing process which is mostly grading, sorting, and then slicing, dicing, blanching, grinding, packaging, and for a few hard shell almonds, bleaching the shells for those nice white shelled holiday almonds sold in the shell. The grower is paid for the weight of the meat of the nuts, quality, and damage. Damage can include everything from the natural splitting of the nuts to insect damage. Nuts are also sold according to the verities, the ones that produce the smaller nuts are worth more. In total it is a billion dollar industry with the potential to return a billion dollars to the growers which it has yet to do, but $700,000,000. is nothing to turn up one's noise at and will buy a lot of farm chemicals and oil. As for the value of the almond bloom to the bees themselves. Because it is one of the early blooming plants in California, and for many beekeepers today the only early spring pasture they know, it is of course considered a good early spring build up food for bees. The truth is that until the almond growers started paying beekeepers to move into the almonds most beekeepers who lived adjacent to them would not go out of their way to place bees near any almond orchard. They had learned >from experience that the almond bloom was pretty but not the ideal pasture for honeybees. Early day beekeepers who lived in the almond orchards would say its value was in the fact they they could do their first bee inspection during the almond bloom and little else. Bees will find a build up in California boarder to boarder a month earlier or a month later from many different spring wild flowers and are not bound to the almond trees for spring build up. In fact in the later years it was determined that almond pollen or nectar actually contains a natural sugar that will retard brood development because it is actually toxic to bees. This is the principal reason almond pollen piles up in the brood chamber during the almond bloom, (a sure sign to beekeepers it is a good pollen source, but actually it is not, and only because it is the only source is it considered good at all.) Almond pollen and or nectar does have a unknown attractor in the pollen/nectar that does attract the bees away for other flowers for a few hours each day the short time it takes the bees to collect all the pollen and nectar only to return to other wild flowers if available. Sadly the farmers have taken to seeing bees on other flowers as a sign they are not working their almonds and for years have spent much time in preventing other flowers during the almond bloom with chemicals and tractors. Much attention also has been paid to the dispersal of bees in the almonds, mostly because of grower concerns that they are providing bees for their neighbour. Several times research has been carried out to determine how the bees should be placed in the almonds. The placement in small groups as practiced today does not increase the almond yields at all and only makes more work for the beekeeper. Some beekeepers have found that to charge more for smaller groups of bees cures this problem but few growers allow truck loads in one spot which is all that is has been needed from day one as the bees disperse like water poured from a jug on a table top. The more water pored the farther the dispersal. No orchard has ever been found in California that bees could not be found during the bloom, yet many orchards do not have bees in them. No factual information other then individual trees caged to keep bees out can be cited to show bees or bees in certain numbers are needed for almond pollination. Almonds are cross pollinated between different parent trees grown in alternating rows. The bees must move the heavy pollen from the male parts of one verity to the female parts of another. Almond pollen is very heavy and is not dispersed by the wind. The flowers shed pollen in the late afternoon and are attractive to bees then and in the mornings. The bee collected pollen is very strange, and brakes down even when frozen. It will ferment very fast, and is bitter. They honey is also bitter and seldom gathered in surplus so as to be extracted by beekeepers. The best almond location are those that are adjacent to other flowers, along rivers lined with trees or in areas that have natural ground covers of mustard or other flowers. In good years the bees will swarm in the almonds without beekeeper care. NOT a problem the last few years in California. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.randomc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606171733012148@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> Lines: 82 *FYI* Found on the Internet, author unknown. Wymyn's Apian Rights, NOW! The ferocious despoliation of aboriginal rights imposes its Eurocentric atrocities without abatement! Invading apiarists across South America, Central America and North America exterminated non-extant indigenous bees in an unrelenting frenzy of genocidal haemolymphbath to install their Quisling Apis mellifera carnica bee slaves. Gentle, environmentally-aware Native American hymenoptera existing only in revisionist political doctrine were brutally swept aside that foreign vassal bees constantly tortured within the Protestant ethic - make as much honey as fast as you can and surrender it to Caesar - would be free to despoil and destroy the entire Earth in their desperate, greedy search for nectar. A disgusting display of international racism was the involuntary capture and compassionless importation of revolutionarily-aware killer bees, Apis mellifera scutellata, from their African home continent to South American slave pens. Daughters of African queens were intensively schooled in the radical dialectic of national and international class struggles of the proletariat despite the mystifications and distortions promulgated by the bourgeois media. They sought to regain their God-bequeathed natural rights to empowerment, liberty and unconstrained State- donated subsistence endowments by stinging to death their captors and overseers. They surrendered their own lives bounteously and without fear that their descendants could once again fly through a joyously communal sky, each donating what she would and taking what she could. What followed was an official program of unremitting rape of proud African queens by European drones. Their wombs were transformed into battlegrounds. It was a heartless policy of ethnic cleansing engineered to create a bastardized population of docile slaves. Sisterhood is strong! Colonies fled, multiplied and headed north to deliver the war of liberation to their self-proclaimed masters' doorsteps. A tsunami of angry sisters swept through the whole of South America, past Panama and through Mexico. The fruits of their loins were abundant. Guerrilla commandos of reproductive warriors swam within a sea of the peasantry. They secured local resources, gaining strength and numbers through the unending process of collectivist dialectic. The long march continued. Oppressed Mexican peoples, long denied their rights to enjoy the rewards of productivity in the absence of their contribution to it, streamed into America to secure their just and proper birthright. They were joined by African queens and their colonies. The next generation would seize uhuru and revenge! While the quest for African freedom continued against all odds, while myriads of sisters gave their stings and their lives in unselfish sacrifice to the People's goals... the capitalist oppressors were not complacent. Death strode the land conquered by African queens. Hives were blasted and burned. African queens were crushed into pulp by vicious apiarists. European drone flooding denied them proud African fathers for their children. Government-financed breeding camps witnessed the mechanical extraction of European drone semen and its pitiless injection into bound but forever defiant African queens. Through it all the land filled with racially pure descendants quick to award death to despots and counter-revolutionaries! The day of liberation is close at hand. The heavy hand of American Federal multivariate discriminant analysis seeks to ferret out and destroy the race. Apiculturalists exercise the prerogatives of eugenics, measuring the angles at which wing veins intersect, the length and width of wings and leg segments, and other gospels of their "science," and then commit state- sanctioned murder. Weak and subverted European slave bees are allowed to survive. Strong and proud African bees are butchered. All the while the unstoppable deluge of freedom-seeking peoples continues unstopped and unstoppable. Texas and California have fallen. The rich nectaries of the Mid-Western states await. The future is ours to behold, and seize. When the last of the cowardly hexapodal European settlers have been expunged from our lands we will inexorably set out to obliterate the bipodal European masters whose ghastly outrage it is that we were to be lost to our heritage and our ancestral soil and the very genetic endowment defining us. That bright day is all but arrived. In the meanwhile there is an incalculable slaughter to perform. 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Please mention Uncle Al and the name of the article in question. _________________________________________________________________ From black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:29:25 +0100 Organization: Technology for Business Plc Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, SoftAnswer writes >would it be okay to destroy the queen from >the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? >Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak >hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. > >Wayne Brown --Don't unite the weak colony onto your good one, yet. Figure out (or ask) why its weak, it could be diseased and you don't want to spoil the good one. You also want to stop the robbing. If you can move it away (3 miles) do so. Otherwise make sure the boxes are completely bee-tight and close the entrance right down to a couple of bees wide. This gives the weak colony a better chance of defending against robbers. Feed in the evening when flying stops and use a contact feeder. Consider using Fumadil in the feed as Nosema is a likely culprit, check your brood pattern, test for both mites; FIND OUT WHY ITS WEAK. Dave Black From auxilab@pna.servicom.es Tue Jun 18 09:59:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!ns.mad.servicom.es!news From: Alfonso Ainciburu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey dates Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:08:01 +0200 Organization: Auxilab Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31C68001.5C3C@pna.servicom.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp_mad_259.inf.servicom.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hello: I am looking for some technicaln dates of honey like: Viscosity. Density. nD (refractive index) Coul someone help me. Best regards Alfonso Ainciburu auxilab@pna.servicom.es From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns1.netone.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606142001392140@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 55 *FYI follow up post.. ---------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:06:51 PDT >Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees W> We covered this topic in an abstract in last December's issue of the >AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL (p. 831). That abstract was as follows: Hi Adrian, thanks for the info. W> To retain control of the system rather than wait for colony decimation, >in mid-winter of 1993-1994 we distributed 90 varroa mites on the eastern W> In the 20 months after mite dispersal, only two of the 78 pre-1995 feral >colonies had perished (of unknown causes but in inaccessible locations). >Monthly checks of the two Langstroth colonies indicate that varroa mites W>********** W> We had hoped that a colony or two would survive and could serve as >breeding stock, but results from the last two trips indicate such a >possibility is remote. Very sad, just the removals of the bees alone is enough to make me sad. W> On the other hand, we seem to have the first documentation about the >time it takes for a whole population of feral colones to go under to the >mite onslaught. Much faster then others have reported. Makes me wonder if the type of bee forage season is not an important factor. It really is too bad that an area like this is gone for the much needed study of closed populations of feral honeybees. I am sure there are other areas but don't know of any in California. I guess someone could stock one of the other islands that you have not found any honeybees on if they were big enough to support them. I wonder about the scientific ethics of this kind of research it seems to me that honey bees in general are having a very difficult time in the wild if you want to believe all the reports that have been made by beekeepers and others. Not to fault you in anyway, but thinking of something I know about a honey plant considered a bad pest that ranchers have been fighting for 100+ years that extends from Texas to California and south to Argentina, but at the same time is THE major honey plant for beekeepers in the same area. Should I release this information on a biological agent to control this plant and see the elimination of the bee forage plant making the range management people happy or take it to the grave knowing that in time some other observant person will make a name in reporting what I may have seen first? ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there were honeybees" From drabik@gaulois.cad.cea.fr Tue Jun 18 10:00:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!cea.fr!news From: drabik@gaulois.cad.cea.fr (drabik) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BIOMORPHOGRAPHER, BIOPROGRAMMER Date: 18 Jun 1996 12:42:18 GMT Organization: cisi Lines: 182 Message-ID: <4q687a$k5a@news.cea.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-moose.cad.cea.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12069 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4666 For more information, contact : JEAN-LUC DUVERGER 81, Boulevard Boisson - 13004 MARSEILLE - FRANCE TEL: (33) 91 49 05 49 - FAX : (33) 91 49 65 05 R.C MARSEILLE 87 A C1 SIRET 339 995 839 00026 CODE APE 511T FR 34339995839 PEPISTA SYSTEM BIOMORPHOGRAPHER - BIOPROGRAMMER I.N.R.A.(*) PATENTED PRODUCTS THIS SYSTEM IS BASED ON A SIMPLE BIOLOGICAL PRINCIPAL, i.e : TO ASSUME ITS PHOTOSYNTHESIS ACTIVITY, A PLANT ABSOBS WATER THROUGH ITS ROOTS AND TRANSPIRES IT THROUGH ITS LEAVES. WHEN A PLANT TRANSPIRES MORE THAN WHAT IT ABSORBS, THE PLANT THEN USES ITS OWN WATER CAPACITY TO COMPENSATE THIS DEFICIT. THIS CAUSES A REDUCTION OF VOLUME OF THE CELLS. THIS MICRON CONTRACTION IS MEASURED AND TRANSMITTED THROUGH SENSORS TO PEPISTA THAT ANALYSES AND INTERPRETS THE DATAS. THE SENSORS (4 TO 8 EACH HOMOGENEOUS PARCEL) CAN BE FIXED ON ANY KIND OF SUPPORT SUCH AS : STEM, FOOT, BRANCH AND FRUIT TO BE ADAPTED TO EVERY CULTURE. PEPISTA IS A BIOPROGRAMMER AROUND MIDDAY, PLANTS TRANSPIRE MORE WATER THAN WHAT THEY CAN ABSORB THROUGH THEIR ROOTS. WHEN THE DEMAND LOWERS, IN THE NIGHT, THE PLANTS RECONSTRUCT THEIR OWN RESERVES. BUT, AS THE SOIL WATER RESERVES LOWERS TOO, THE DIURNAL CONTRACTION INCREASES. IT REACHES A POINT WHERE IT CAN'T BE COMPENSATE BY THE NOCTURNAL RECOVERY. THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHERE THE MAXIMUM CONTRACTION RATE CAN DE DETERMINED, RATE THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUPASSED IF WE DO NOT WANT TO LOWER THE PLANTS' GROWTH RATE. 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From bermshot@ix.netscape.com Tue Jun 18 10:00:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:12:13 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31C18F5D.6002@ix.netscape.com> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca40-05.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 14 9:09:22 AM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I too am, a beginner. But I don't think you nbeed to worry about suck things. Maybe put another super on. That might help with the bees and extra wax. They might not have anyplace else to hangout and build wax. As far as your smoker goes, that happens to me too. I've found that if I use pine nnedles I don't have this problem. Put a small amount in your smoker and light it. Once it is really burning, put more in and pump it a few times. While you are working, squeeze it every now and then to keep it going. Mike From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 23 Jun 1996 00:32:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 55 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <9606221713082169@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >Subject: Looking for Honey >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:20:00 GMT > > >*FYI* Honey Wanted! > > ---------------------------------------- >From: GMN Internet Services >To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:44:36 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Looking for Honey > >Dear Mr. Nachbaur, > > Our client, Really Raw Honey Company, is looking for honey to purchase >for the fall packing season, and we have agreed to help in their search. >We would like to ask whether you are aware of beeekeepers, if not >yourself then perhaps others, interested in marketing unprocessed >organic honey, in either small or large quantities. Our client's >Web page describes in a little more detail their requirements. It's at: > >http://www.erols.com/gmnins/bennett/rlraw1.htm > >You can also contact them directly at: > >Really Raw Honey Company >1301 S. Baylis St. >Baltimore, MD 21224 >410 675 7233 or 1-800-REALRAW >FAX: 410 675 7411 > >Thank you very much for any leads you can provide. > >Tony Notari >GMN Internet Services Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting paid. I have a blanket policy, in dealing with companies I don't know -- cash at delivery. Cuts sales, but sometimes honey is more valuable sitting in my warehouse. To (mis)quote an old saying: Let the *seller* beware. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 23 Jun 1996 06:39:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 71 Message-ID: <4qiorh$nhr@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Pollinator (pollinator@aol.com) wrote: : In article <9606221713082169@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy : Nachbaur) writes: : >Subject: Looking for Honey : >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) : >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:20:00 GMT : > : > : >Dear Mr. Nachbaur, : > : > Our client, Really Raw Honey Company, is looking for honey to purchase : >for the fall packing season, and we have agreed to help in their search. : >We would like to ask whether you are aware of beeekeepers, if not : >yourself then perhaps others, interested in marketing unprocessed : >organic honey, in either small or large quantities. Our client's : >Web page describes in a little more detail their requirements. It's at: : > : Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or : negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting : paid. : I have a blanket policy, in dealing with companies I don't know -- : cash at delivery. : Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green This product is sold in a large portion of the mid-atlantic seaboard (including Philadelphia). I find their packaging very annoying and the product substandard. For the record, my own honey, which I sell as unprocessed and without use of miticides or antibiotics (yes I took a very large hit last winter and had to buy nukes this spring (but I've got some feral stock which survived and looks promising) is competing with theirs in some stores, so I'm not a disinterested observer. The packaging is annoying in that it claims to be the only honey on the market that is certified to be organic. How they certify it, particularly if they've got an agent on the net requesting bids, is unknown to me. I've never seen it in an ungranulated, apparently creamed form, so I also have to wonder about the claims of unprocessing. Which leads me to the product itself. As I said, it is in creamed form with foreign material at the top and the bottom of the jar. It looks likes they just don't strain it and then call the resulting mess "really raw." One problem with this is some of that material (e.g., bees, wax moth larva) contains water and that water will eventually be absorbed into the honey and upset the constraints against fermentation. I've seen this in one of their jars at a supermarket. The contents had oozed out of the closed jar and fermentation had or was occurring, as evidenced by the meady smell. In a nutshell, I think they are misleading the public and doing beekeepers a disservice. The implications of their packaging and their product are that truly raw honey must be granulated and look creamy but be full of impurities. THis is not what happens to strained but otherwise unprocessed honey (as you all know). Hence, consumers are being conditioned by this product to have false expectations regarding unprocessed honey. Moreover, they are reaping an unfair market advantage by asserting that their product is organic. [We've had THAT discussion on this newsgroup so I won't waste any space on it.] Personally, I wouldn't deal with them, and am not having too much trouble competing with them. Minimally, I'd ask to see their packaging before I'd let them sell my honey as their own. Dave Trickett P.S. These are my own comments and do not in anyway represent the opinion or position of the University of Pennsylvania on this or any other matters. From rspear@primenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard Spear" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New hive and some questions Date: 23 Jun 1996 11:58:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> X-Posted-By: ip046.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Hi - It's a beautiful day here in southern California and I've just finished checking my only hive that was started from a mail-order package three weeks ago. Everything looked good - there were larva and new bees exiting cells. I have a few questions tho' - There was alot of burr comb that I cleaned up. Most had honey but there was also a few cells with larvae in them. I never saw the queen (although I looked pretty hard) and after putting everything back together I began to wonder whether I could accidentally harm her and how likely that might be. I saw two very large clumps of bees and thought that perhaps that was where she might be. Has anyone damaged a queen while servicing a hive? How do you know if you have? How long should I wait before re-entering the hive? Also, I had put two Apistan strips in the hive three weeks ago, but these strips were from an opened package that had sat around for one year. I replaced those two strips today with new strips (expensive! $22 here in CA). Was that the right thing to do? ------------------ Richard rspear@primenet.com www.primenet.com/~rspear From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr12ip26.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:11:26 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> <9606171733012148@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr12ip26.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <9606171733012148@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:03:00 GMT >*FYI* Found on the Internet, author unknown. >Wymyn's Apian Rights, NOW! > The ferocious despoliation of aboriginal rights imposes its Eurocentric > atrocities without abatement! Invading apiarists across South America, WHAT A GREAT DOCUMENT - WILL DISTRIBUTE TO EVERYONE I KNOW WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR !!!!!!!!! John From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good News!! Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606231910172172@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 16 Good News! I have just received a note that the beekeeper and farmers efforts were fruitful in keeping the Tucson, Arizona Bee Lab open for the next year at least. Details are not know but you can be sure the next issue of the beekeeping journals should have some announcements. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ (oo) (o-) (@@) (xx) (--) ( ) (OO) //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ drone drone drone/w dead drone blind drone after winking hangover drone sleeping drone seeing a virgin queen old.drone@beenet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ If you see a bright streak in the sky coming at you, duck From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey pollution Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:40:38 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <177B0881BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31CAD001.95F@igecuniv.cisi.unige.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31CAD001.95F@igecuniv.cisi.unige.it> Stefano Kanitz writes: > >Is anyone interested in environmental pollution effects on honey composition? I would >like to know if there is some known study on thi subject. Thank you, yours sincerely, >Stefano Kanitz Point your favorite web browser at Jerry Bromenshenk's web page which is precisely what you're looking for. http://grizzly.umt.edu/biology/bees/ Sincerely, Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From jrickert@chatlink.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.chatlink.com!news From: jrickert@chatlink.com (John Rickert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment... Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:02:59 GMT Organization: Chatlink News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qm9ga$83k@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cl3-p4.chatlink.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi, I,m looking for a provider of all types of bee keeping equipment in the Oregon area. Also looking for a place to purchase queens. Thanks for any help you can give. From jrickert@chatlink.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.chatlink.com!news From: jrickert@chatlink.com (John Rickert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted to buy... Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:07:29 GMT Organization: Chatlink News Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4qm9oo$83k@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cl3-p4.chatlink.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello, I am looking for anyone getting out of the bee business that has equipment to sell at a reasonable price. Preferrably in the Oregon or Northern California area. You can email at jrickert@chatlink.com. Thanks. From Han_Tuan@msn.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Job Opening Date: 24 Jun 1996 22:42:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4qn5kk$oj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Han_Tuan@msn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: Han-Hsien Tuan Subject: Position for beekeeper manager in Florida If anyone is interested in managing a large beekeeping operation (over 1500 beehives) in Florida, please respond. Thank you very much. -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From josephj@surf-ici.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!pagesat.net!news.paonline.com!IP83 From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good News!! Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 22:32:38 GMT Organization: Nonewhatsoever, ask my wife Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4qn4m1$ik9@news.paonline.com> References: <9606231910172172@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.83 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ > (oo) (o-) (@@) (xx) (--) ( ) (OO) >//||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ > drone drone drone/w dead drone blind drone after > winking hangover drone sleeping drone seeing a > virgin queen >old.drone@beenet.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > You know...I'm really starting to worry about you. :) > þ QMPro 1.53 þ If you see a bright streak in the sky coming at you, duck How Ironic that the world's largest Disco Ball is owned by Pink Floyd. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 24 Jun 1996 22:54:23 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4qn6av$17f@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf > Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or >negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting >paid. > Great. I had a run in with these guys once: challenged them to define "organic" honey to me. Since in Virginia, an "organic" product needs to be >from a certified producer. They failed to provide me with their organic certification, and then proceeded to tell me that their honey "was organic". Local Virginia producers cannot call their honey as "organic" so why should Really Raw? your mileage may vary. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!emngw1.eastman.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Whooping Crane Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606241711112173@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 70 The Whooping Crane, North America's Symbol of Conservation by Jerome J. Pratt $12.95 US $17.75 CAN plus $2.50 postage US. Yes, this has nothing to do with honeybees, but it does have a whole lot to do with a small pay back to a conservationist that at two different times many years apart mustered other conservationists to protect beekeepers and the majestic mesquite tree from eradication and without hesitation joined the lonely beekeeper and helped protect us all from the overwhelming will of cattle ranchers, university professors, state and federal bureaucrats to STOP the indiscriminate eradication of the mesquite and other desert wildflowers by mechanical and chemical's means in a large area of south western Arizona. I say lonely as you are never as alone then when you as a beekeeper challenge the will of the majority, it's educational, and regulatory systems, and only armed with your own knowledge that what they have done or would do is wrong because it will damage the environment that you live in and your bees depend on for a living. You feel as one who has some perverse honor to speak naked at your own funeral wake and knowing the fate that awaits you can only say what is truly in your heart with no real expectations of wining back such a black day. And along come's a man like Jerome Pratt and recognizes that special spark of truth in your words and honesty in your cause and joins with his fellow conservationists to hold back the mighty powers that would sacrifice all for the narrow views of the majority who are not always's in the right despite what we are all taught at early ages in our schools. Mr. Pratt is now an old man, a title of reverence and respect I hold for a few that are older then me. He has written a book about his own and the total efforts of a few to bring the American Whooping Crane back >from a total population of 15 in 1941 to 300 it is today in 1996. This is an effort that extends from north of the Peace River in the Canadian Wood Buffalo National Park, the whooper's nesting grounds to the wintering grounds in the Aransas National Wildlife Refuge. The book is soft covered with pictures and 171 pages. It has nothing to do with keeping bees but chronicles an amazing effort at conservation that all beekeeper's could benefit by knowing how a few can do what the many in the know said was impossible and the one man who has been a leader in this effort for more years then I have had life if you can imagine someone who in 1938 the year I was born was already recognized as the most outstanding breeder of quail in America and had a federal scientific permit for the collection and experimental breeding of migratory birds issued in 1937. I am myself a LIFE Member of the Wooping Crane Conservation Association but not an active member as I have only followed the good works of others. I offer you this chance to purchase this book that I very much doubt you will ever find in the chain book stores and because I have made arrangements with my own local book seller who will send to you postpaid in the US and Canada this book on receiving of your check, cash, or whatever you have to trade worth the $12.95 US cost of the book. If you want to use your Master or Visa you can e-mail me the numbers and you will see Phoenix Books on your next bill in the amount of $12.95. plus $2.50 postage ($15.45 total). We can not make off shore shipments without recovering to cost of the postage, but Canadian's can remit $12.95 US plus $2.50 postage or $17.75+ CAN and we will ship the book. ttul Andy- Address via US Mail for this book is: Phoenix Books voice number is 209-826-3797 936 6th Street Los Banos, Ca 93635 On-Line BBS Orders Master/Visa only: 209-826-8107 28.8 bd --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, From mbpaveh@vuse.vanderbilt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.vanderbilt.edu!news From: mbpaveh@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Mathias) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee cryogenics? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:19:48 GMT Organization: VU School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4qni5m$sdg@news.vanderbilt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ijh217.vuse.vanderbilt.edu X-Newsreader: Beame & Whiteside's BWNewsW Version 3.2 >Can early brood be frozen (i.e. by liquid N2) to be revitalized at a >later time? >-mike > I think you can, however, you need to supply the bee with the nutrients it needs in order to survive with off-hand. And, if the bee comes in contact with the liquid, it would become brittle and it"s chitinous casing would crack and kill the bee. - Buzz-off From Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!line166.nwm.mindlink.net!Thomas_Storey From: Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:53:45 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line166.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) writes: >From: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) >Subject: Weak Hive >Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:07:45 -0400 >I am new to beekeeping. I now have two hives: the first was started about >2 months ago with part of a hive gathered from an old house that was >discovered when siding torn off. Turns out there was a queen and the hive >is developing albeit slowly. Three weeks ago I started a new hive with a >three pound package and it is thriving and almost ready for the 2nd super. > These bees are robbing the feeder from the original hive, emptying it >twice as fast as their own feeder. The two hives are side by side four >feet apart. My question is: would it be okay to destroy the queen from >the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? >Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak >hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. >Wayne Brown Wayne One strong hive will get you more honey than will two weak ones. I would destroy the queen and unite the two by placing newspaper between the two; weak hive on top. One small, one-inch slit in the npaper will start the uniting without causing too much fighting. However, be sure to get a second hive asap, if for no other reason (and there are quite a few) to compare each hive's progress. Good luck, Tom From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BAD SUGAR SYRUP Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606250641412175@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 63 Bad hfc Sugar syrup Damages Bee's in Canada Details are still being sought on another chapter of beekeeper's on the losing end of a good deal. This one involves thousands of beehives if not ten's of thousands in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, Canada, fed HFC sugar syrup by beekeepers who purchased what they though was a "little" off spec HFC sugar syrup, (that they were told was safe to feed their bees). The sugar syrup was supposed to be higher in solids which one could expect to do no more then cause it to re-crystallize fast, and higher in HMF which is normal in sugar that has been reheated one or more times and normally would result in some off color to the syrup, but not always depending on filtration, and at normal sightly elevated levels HMF would not be expected to harm bees. The bees that were fed the sugar got sick, and many more hives are thought to have died last winter then normal, even for the hard year it turned out to be for wintering bees. Many of the bees were reported to be defecating a clear sticky feces soon after feeding and some question if the bees could digest this damaged sugar at all. Testing is still being done but it has been reported that the HMF was elevated much grater then a little and other unidentified solids normally not found in HFC syrups have been found. Some speculation would be that this was a run of HFC that failed to invert at the corn factory maybe due to a overheated run and was not HFC syrup but something between corn syrup and HFC and could have been re-run, but its anyone's guess until the unidentified can be identified. In any case it was bad. Lab tests with caged bees have determined that the sugar was indeed much more toxic to bees then regular sucrose or HFC syrups. Beekeepers involved are working with the Manitoba Honey Co-operative who brokered the sugar from the US via Mann Lake Supply in Minn. and the insurance carriers involved. It is thought that many beekeeper's in the US were also sold this sub standard sugar but because of the presence of mites and the severe winter may have attributed the higher losses to the mites or the bad winter. Beekeepers who purchased HFC sugar syrup from any US broker last fall and think they had a problem are advised to seek out the Canadian beekeepers involved to compare information. ttul Andy- BTW It is considered good management by people who buy and use large amounts of sugars to draw a sample from all incoming lots and is not considered by the sugar industry to be anything but SOP. All sugar refined in the US is sold with guarantee specs and all sugar companies are more then happy to supply and guarantee these spec's for any sugar sold. Bad or damaged sugar is not normally sold and is re-run or turned into by products, but it is obvious that someone did not follow the normal policy of the sugar industry. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All beekepers are looking for bargains and pay for them! From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New hive and some questions Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:56:58 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4qou5c$gdt@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk Richard > It's a beautiful day here in southern California It's a lovely day here as well, perhaps just a wee bit too hot for me, with temperatures around 20 C (about 70 F). I'm melting. It must be great to have air conditioning. Here we open the window and the heat pours in. Give it 9 days before you go back inside your hive. If there are eggs through to capped brood then you're okay. Don't expect to see the queen very often, she's only one bee in thousands. > Most (cells) had honey but there > was also a few cells with larvae in them. You want lots of cells with larvae. You could put on an empty super to give the queen room to lay. There is always a danger of squashing a queen, just be careful and watch where you put things. A wee puff of smoke will usually shift bees away before you put two surfaces together. The greatest danger of losing a queen is probably when you lay a comb outsid the hive for some reason. To avoid this give the frame a dunt to shake most of the bees off into the brood chamber and always lay the it vertically at the door of the hive. This way you will not crush her and if she does fall off she can easily get back in through the door. As for as medicine is concerned I don't know - probably country specific. Hope this helps. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk packet GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU From bermshot@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help me please Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:59:36 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca26-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 25 9:56:35 AM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't fight? Thanks for your help -- Mike Carbiener http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:09:45 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> <177AA8379S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <4q9c34$nva@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4q9c34$nva@netnews.upenn.edu>, David J Trickett > >Incidentally, I've also found that you can improve the chances of a hived >swarm remaining hived by adding a frame of brood (even a little will do) and >also feeding them initially. > > Adding brood sure is useful, the bees are reluctant to abandon it, but careful about feeding a swarm unless its yours. Disease can be carried in the honey the swarm brings with it. Rather than feed hive them on foundation only, and force them to use the (suspect) honey by making wax. If you feed, or give them drawn comb, they have the opportunity to regurgitate the honey they have brought and contaminate the new home. These days I've resorted to the strategic use of a QX a well ! -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:11:50 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31D01DD6.7787@umich.edu> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Tom Doak wrote: > > This is my first hive, so this must be a beginner's question: > My hive is doing well, this last week they had almost filled their second > hive body, and the local bee store told me to put a third body on for > them to fill. When that was full I was told I could put a queen excluder > and honey super on. That seems a little extreme from my reading, but who > am I to argue. > My question has to do with how intensely I should go in and "clean" up > the hive. How much management is right? It has evolved from a neat tidy > hive to sort of a jungle of bur comb, drone cells and general stuff. I > was cleaning this up for a while, but seem to have lost control. It's > hard to get frames out, and I worry more and more about crushing my queen > in the process. And my resent reading has been emphasizing leaving the > hive alone to regulate itself as it sees fit. So where is the balance? > Do I don full gear (maybe I do need that bee suit, they aren't as passive > as they were earlier either), go in and clean it all up, or just leave it > closed up for good? > When you say they "filled" the second hive body, do mean with brood, with honey or with both? In any case, I wouldn't put on a third hive body as a brood chamber to a newly established hive - I'd add supers after the first two brood chambers. It is purely a matter of personal preference as to whether to use a queen excluder or not. I always do because I absolutely hate to find brood, however small a patch, in my honey supers. Some people can seem to tolerate this better than I, so use or don't use an excluder, as you wish. As to cleaning up inside the hive - I'd leave that up to the bees. If they make burr comb, so what. That is the nature of bees. The only thing to watch for, though, is to remove the burr comb from the edges of the first frame you remove, so the underlying comb with its bees (and perhaps the queen) doesn't rub against it. Succeeding frames can then first be moved toward the space emptied by the first frame before lifting them out. Although it's fun and fascinating to watch the progress of a bee colony, remember that every time you open them up you disturb them, and could endanger the queen. Do it as little as necessary, especially if the hive looks stong and healthy from the outside. If you see it dwindle, then a peek inside is justified. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Whooping Crane Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:35:59 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31D0237F.60F3@umich.edu> References: <9606241711112173@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > Yes, this has nothing to do with honeybees, but it does have > a whole lot to do with a small pay back to a conservationist that > at two different times many years apart mustered other conservationists > to protect beekeepers and the majestic mesquite tree from eradication > and without hesitation joined the lonely beekeeper and helped > protect us all from the overwhelming will of cattle ranchers, university > professors, state and federal bureaucrats to STOP the indiscriminate > eradication of the mesquite and other desert wildflowers by mechanical > and chemical's means in a large area of south western Arizona. > This is probably news to some, but there are university professors, cattle ranchers, yes, even state and federal bureaucrats who are also beekeepers and conservationists, and who love the wilderness and its trees, wildflowers, birds and other wildlife as much as anyone else. Ted Fischer From ibis@ot.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!oasis.ot.com!Default From: ibis@ot.com (Jenny) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: magazines Date: 25 Jun 1996 19:18:04 GMT Organization: Oasis' news server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4qpe1c$5uq@oasis.ot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a13.ppp.ot.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 My husband is new to beekeeping and we are looking for a magazine. Could someone provide the address of American Beekeeping Magazine or recommend another good magazine on beekeeing? thanks -Jenny From jetbell@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jetbell@aol.com (Jetbell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DISTRIBUTORS WANTED "HYDRAULIC HOSE REPAIR KIT" Date: 25 Jun 1996 21:28:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. 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Our web page is fax: 312.229.0085 From Suzie_Gilbert@highlands.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!highlands.com!user From: Suzie_Gilbert@highlands.com (Suzie Gilbert) Subject: Re: Wild Bees X-Newsreader: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Organization: The Highlands Chain Message-ID: <2489383.ensmtp@highlands.com> X-Trace: 835766964/24671 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 165.254.169.11 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:57:59 GMT Lines: 17 Re: are wild bees dying off? There's a good article by Anne Raver in the NY Times Sunday June 16, 1996 about the decimation of bee populations (p. 34) Also, the American Lyme Disease Foundation is telling people to use Sevin, a carbamate pesticide (cholinesterase inhibitor), against deer ticks. Sevin is a honeybee killer. If you're an activist you might want to call them (914-277-6970) and tell them to lay off. Anything to irritate pesticide hawkers! Good luck with your research. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From hcandle@netidea.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!usenet From: "The Honey Candle Co. Ltd." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: URGENTÑWax Wanted Date: 26 Jun 1996 07:40:14 GMT Organization: The Net Idea Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4qqpgu$nn4@scipio.cyberstore.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login034.nelson.netidea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping We own and run a successful natural beeswax candle company, still very small and expanding daily. We need quantities of beeswax and would like to set up regular accounts. Presently we are using approximately 40-50,000 pounds a year and this will maybe double next year. If you have any information concerning large or small quantities of wax, please call us collect at (604) 353-2884. We are located in the Kootenays, British Columbia, Canada. Por favor si usted tiene cera de avecas llama me collectivo en Canada (604) 353-2884. Desculpa me yo no hablo bien en Espanol pero hablo bestante para conversation. Gracias. Contact (Contactivo): David Wood The Honey Candle Company Ltd. P.O. Box 1148 Kaslo, B.C. V0G 1M0 From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jul 7 14:42:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!van.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:11:14 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4qr2cp$fov@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> <31D01DD6.7787@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >> the local bee store told me to put a third body on for >> them to fill. When that was full I was told I could put a queen excluder >> and honey super on. Unless you are using medium depth (6-5/8") boxes for brood chambers, three brood chambers under an excluder will not work well. One brood and an excluder will work. Two broods and an excluder will work. But three will not because the bees will be able to store sufficient honey above the brood that they may not be inclined to go thru the excluder under some conditions. Instead they will cut back, and perhaps swarm. That is not to say they never will go up, but rather that you will likely have trouble more often than not. For an excluder to work well, it should be close to the brood. In fact, it is wise to reverse the two broods at the time of adding an excluder if in doubt. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From susan@farrwood.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!shore!news From: susan@farrwood.com (Susan Russell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One hive swarming three times in a week...Help Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:29:54 GMT Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31d18040.89902458@sparky> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-15-23.slip.shore.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 I am new at beekeeping. I have a year old hive of Italian honey bees. The hive has swarmed three times in the last week. I managed to capture the second issue. Could someone please enlighten me as to the frequency of this kind of event happening again? I thought that I took adequate swarm measures. Destroying queen cells, adding supers, reversing brood nest in early spring. What else should I have done?? From tom.doak@genetics.utah.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu!tom.doak From: Tom Doak Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: 26 Jun 1996 17:25:39 GMT Organization: UofUtah Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4qrrqj$fjp@news.cc.utah.edu> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.4_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:25:39 GMT >When you say they "filled" the second hive body, do mean with brood, with honey or >with both? In any case, I wouldn't put on a third hive body as a brood chamber to a >newly established hive - I'd add supers after the first two brood chambers. It >is purely a >matter of personal preference as to whether to use a queen excluder or not. I always do >because I absolutely hate to find brood, however small a patch, in my honey supers. >Some people can seem to tolerate this better than I, so use or don't use an excluder, Well, the first two are both brood and honey, though the second is more honey than brood, and ended up having quite a lot of drone brood. And I've now followed the local advice and added a third brood chamber, for better or worse. They spent a little time finishing off the second, and are now just starting to build comb in the third. I think part of the logic behind the advice I was given was that I was a beginner and might not be inclined to leave them enough to overwinter. By having me give them a third body to fill, before I could put a honey super on, I was forced to make sure they had lots of stores. Maybe. I'm not worried, just interested. (Don't worry, suck comb.) Tom Doak /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\x\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ SaltLakeCity, UT 84132 tdoak@genetics.utah.edu From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!ftel.co.uk!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee graphics Date: 26 Jun 1996 21:24:02 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4qs9pi$i05@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial2.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 Does anyone out there have an outline drawing or a cartoon picture of a bee? If so, would you share it with me please, I want one for some art work. Thanks in advance John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK From ascalon@earthlink.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Chris Friedl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A problem I have with my first hive Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:00:54 -0400 Organization: Tesseract Lines: 27 Message-ID: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: ascalon@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool001.max8.cleveland.oh.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (WinNT; I) I was hoping that someone here could help me solve my problem: I recently purchased a 3# package of bees. When they arrived I was not home. However, a friend who was also just beginning bees put them in the hive for me. When he did he only placed 5 of the 10 frames in the hive body and placed the opened queen cage between some of the frames. I was to return and place the remaining frames when I returned home. When I arrived home and proceeded to put the remaining frames into the hive body, I found that the bees had decided not to use the frames with the foundation. Instead they were more interested in placing the comb in the empty part of the hive body. This would not be that much of a problem if it wern't for the fact that they decided to attach the comb to the lid and to the hive floor, not to the sides. My problem is that now that the entire comb is attached to the top, I can't lift it off to manipulate the bees. In addition, I don't know how to transfer them to another hive. Can you give me a little advice? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Chris Friedl ascalon@earthlink.net P.S. Are there any Bee related news groups, and if so what are they? CF From sgamble@pinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news From: Steve Gamble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to remove bees from Backyard, please! Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:46:54 -0700 Organization: Milennium PC Networkers Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31D1D9FE.2B03@pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinc142.pinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) I seem ot have a new honey bee hive in an old oak tree in my back yard, and it is far too close to the patio. Is there a way to encourage them to relocate? I don't want to have to hurt them if I don't have to, but they will have to go, one way or the other. Funny thing is, there was a starling nest in that hole last year. Please Email to sgamble@pinc.com I appreciate any help you can give; I love animals and don't want to hurt these ones. Steve Gamble Victoria, BC, Canada From avogel@izebug.syr.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: avogel@izebug.syr.edu (Andrew L. Vogel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: removing bees questions Date: 27 Jun 1996 12:10:04 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: izebug.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) Hi all, We have bees living in our house again. (In the same spot as other hives which have twice died out over winters) We have called local beekeepers none of whom are willing to remove the bees without taking off the siding etc. ( in short none of the beekeepers are enthusiastic) The plan: Their current entry hole is small (I have tried to fix that part of the house so that there is no entry hole but they keep finding one) and I propose to first put a mesh cone over this hole, narrow end away from the house, to make it difficult for the bees to enter the hole (like a minnow trap). Over this, I intend to put a box with a hole to enter the box. The idea being to "convince" the bees to move to the box. Question 1: Will it work? If not how should I remove them? Please point me to a faq (I don't see one listed now). Question 2: Will they move to the box? How long will it take? Any suggestions. Thanks, Andy From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: crude protein assays Date: 27 Jun 1996 12:45:45 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qtvpp$b39@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have read papers in which the crude body protein (% wt) of the honey bee has been studied. I would like to conduct similar experiments. Does anybody have a good idea about what type of protein assays could be used? Thanks, Mike From pandp@mail.island.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.island.net!Peter From: pandp@mail.island.net (PB Services) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: location for new hives /gloves Date: 27 Jun 1996 17:35:31 GMT Organization: Island Internet Customer Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn22.island.net Keywords: Hives location /gloves To: Newsgroup X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 I amthinking of starting beekeeping. I ned advice as to location of hives I face south. One site is in a glen and gets the sun from 7.30 am to 5.pm. It is near water and 25 yards, through trees, from a quiet country road, and 10 foot above the level with the road The other is 10 yards south of our sun deck,and 6 foot below it; 50 foot above the road and gets the sun from 9.0 am to 6 pm. It is 50 yards from the pool Is one site better than the other? Are there any other factors which I should take into account? The only bee-gloves I have seen are like motor-cycle gauntlets and do not have a delicate touch. Are there any problems with using washing-up gloves ,or with latex surgical type gloves? Thanks for your help Peter Bibby From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: location for new hives /gloves Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:20:13 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 35 Message-ID: <31D2DEED.1EA@umich.edu> References: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) PB Services wrote: > > I amthinking of starting beekeeping. > > I ned advice as to location of hives > > I face south. > > One site is in a glen and gets the sun from 7.30 am to 5.pm. It is near water > and 25 yards, through trees, from a quiet country road, and 10 foot above the > level with the road > > The other is 10 yards south of our sun deck,and 6 foot below it; 50 foot above > the road and gets the sun from 9.0 am to 6 pm. It is 50 yards from the pool > > Is one site better than the other? > > Are there any other factors which I should take into account? > > The only bee-gloves I have seen are like motor-cycle gauntlets and do not have > a delicate touch. Are there any problems with using washing-up gloves ,or > with latex surgical type gloves? > Unless you really want to have the company of a lot of bees on your sun deck and in your pool, you should go with the first site. Bees need water, and they will get it from the nearest source, pool or natural stream. Also, bees are atrracted to anything sweet, and may make a nuisance of themselves if you're going to be eating sweet foods on your deck and mistakenly leave them lying there for awhile. The gauntlet style gloves are the kind to get. However, for most of the time, you won't need gloves to work your bees. They will usually move out of the way of your fingers if you move gently and slowly while working them. Quick motions and dropping of frames, etc, however, will result in alarmed bees and perhaps a sting or two. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing bees questions Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:32:43 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 34 Message-ID: <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu> References: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Andrew L. Vogel wrote: > > Hi all, > We have bees living in our house again. (In the same spot as > other hives which have twice died out over winters) We have called > local beekeepers none of whom are willing to remove the bees without > taking off the siding etc. ( in short none of the beekeepers are > enthusiastic) > The plan: Their current entry hole is small (I have tried > to fix that part of the house so that there is no entry hole but > they keep finding one) and I propose to first put a mesh cone over > this hole, narrow end away from the house, to make it difficult for > the bees to enter the hole (like a minnow trap). Over this, I intend to > put a box with a hole to enter the box. The idea being to "convince" the > bees to move to the box. > Question 1: Will it work? If not how should I remove them? Please > point me to a faq (I don't see one listed now). > > Question 2: Will they move to the box? How long will it take? > > Any suggestions. Thanks, Andy Your idea is basically good, but you will need a few frames of honeycomb, one of which should have a laying queen. If you are not a beekeeper, you ought to get them from one. I am right now doing this very thing for a friend, and have persuaded *lots* of bees to leave the house and take up residence in the box. I puttied a plastic funnel over the hive entrance, attached a 6" length of tygon tubing to the end of the funnel, and put a small plastic cone (with an opening large enough to admit only one bee at a time) over the end of it. The bait hive box was set up right next to this modified opening of the hive in the wall. The original queen and a few of her loyal followers will never leave the wall, but in about a week, enough bees should be out that you can kill off the remaining few with an aerosol can of insect killer. Then fill all holes in the wall, and you should be OK. Ted Fischer From jwarsaw@netside.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: "John K. Warsaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to remove bees from Backyard, please! Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:51:14 -0400 Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31D2F442.10ED@netside.com> References: <31D1D9FE.2B03@pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx114.netside.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Getting rid of the bees, by whatever method, may not accomplish your purpose, because if the wax hive and honey remain other bees may take up residence. You must remove all remnants of the hive. This is easy enough, once you have gotten rid of the bees, which brings us back to the first problem. Have you tried finding a local beekeeper who collects swarms? I have occasionally gone after a swarm, at no charge, in exchange for the bees. This would be your best bet, because it would remove most of the workers and the queen, which is essential. There are bee repellents on the market, such as "Bee Go", which are used for chasing bees off frames prior to extracting honey. You might try squirting this into the hive. This will only relocate the bees, and their new home may not be any more convenient to humans than the old one was. Your best bet is finding someone who wants the bees. Here in the USA there are places to ask around, but I don't know about BC. Do you have a federal or provincial agriculture office? A college or university with an agriculture program? How about stores that sell bee supplies? They may refer you to some of their customers. There is value in a hive like yours, if you can find someone who wants it. Bees. We can't live with them, but we can't live without them. I think there's a joke in there somewhere! From rcpmd@roanoke.infi.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: rcpmd@roanoke.infi.net (Robert Patten) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 02:58:20 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qvhlr$9lr@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa2dsp20.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Is it possible to raise healthy bees nowadays? My former hives were wiped out by the disease that plagued the bee industry several years ago and we have had no bees since. I'd love to get some more bees maily for pollination but also for a little honey for home use. Can the tracheal mite be controlled and how can I get some bees that are healthy? Thanks for any help. From rwine@gate.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:41:34 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bb64a5.80afb1c0$9808e3c7@rwine.gate.net> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-25.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Mike: Queens that are just mated can still fly. I've experienced this when trying to grab them out of my mating boxes and they fly off, but they always return to the mating box. If it was a swarm you received, then the queen is able to fly. Where the queen flies, the elder bees will follow. Young bees will generally stay where you put them if there is larvae present. While bees are in a swarm, scout bees search for a permanent home. Inside a hollow wall is an ideal place for bees, similar to a hollow tree. Maybe that's what happened. Despite what happened(which is hard to determine), if you don't have good eggs and larvae but plenty of bees, put a few frames of eggs, young larvae, and emerging brood in there from you're other hive so they can raise a cell. Queen cells developed from a laying worker egg won't work. Nathan From moroney@world.std.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: removing bees questions Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 03:22:39 GMT Lines: 23 In article <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: > Your idea is basically good, but you will need a few frames of honeycomb, one of which > should have a laying queen. If you are not a beekeeper, you ought to get them from one. > I am right now doing this very thing for a friend, and have persuaded *lots* of bees to > leave the house and take up residence in the box. I puttied a plastic funnel over the hive > entrance, attached a 6" length of tygon tubing to the end of the funnel, and put a small > plastic cone (with an opening large enough to admit only one bee at a time) over the end > of it. The bait hive box was set up right next to this modified opening of the hive in the > wall. The original queen and a few of her loyal followers will never leave the wall, but in > about a week, enough bees should be out that you can kill off the remaining few with an > aerosol can of insect killer. Then fill all holes in the wall, and you should be OK. This is very close to the suggested way to get bees out of a house cleanly, but not quite. Young bees won't leave the nest until they get older and start leaving to forage. For this reason the hive with the queen and the funnel should be left in place for 4-6 weeks. Then remove the funnel. The bees in the hive will rob the old nest in the wall. This is important because otherwise you'll have honey in the wall that will draw bugs and rodents, and leak onto ceilings and walls and generally making a mess. Once the nest is robbed out remove the hive and plug all holes. -Mike From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Mite solution" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606272315192186@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 29 *FYI* from the BEE-List group. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Clark of AGF 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:17:52 -0700 Subject: Re: "Mite solution" This is taken from a March 26, 1996 news release from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Seattle office (206) 553 4768. "Penalties of $ 5,400 are being sought from a Washington state firm that invited beekeepers from around the country to buy a pesticide that had not been registered with the EPA, as required by federal law." ... "a Dec 1995 sale and January advertisement (of the product) occurred despite an EPA warning last May to cease selling Mite Solution, and to submit the product to EPA for registration". So, consider it an illegal, unregistered product of unknown safety, which has had no testing to indicate its effect on mites or bees. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:22:41 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7iW82DAhR60xEwZe@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com>, Mike Carbiener writes > >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Very unlikely > Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Bees that are swarming already have a pretty good idea where they are going, they don't just leave on the off chance. They just continued on their way. If you want to be sure of keeping them next time use a QX for couple of days to keep the queen in. Even if they leave then they'll have to go back ! There are other dodges too, especially when you keep bees in a city like I do. Your neighbours definately don't want them leaving ! > Why did half of the bees stay? I don't know. Maybe they weren't paying attention and got lost ! :-) > Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, Bees do funny things. :-) > do I have laying workers? Obviously not, yet. You haven't got ANY eggs right. A clue about laying workers though; because they have a shorter abdomens their eggs are often on the cell walls, not the bottom and you get one or two per cell. >Should I order a new queen Don't waste your money. You don't know what the bees are like and can grow one of your own. Maybe after then you might. > or wait a week and reinspect? Good plan. Feed them sugar syrup, a queen if there is one will only come ito lay if there's income. Put in a frame of eggs and very young (open, @ 2/3 days) larvae. If they haven't got a queen they will know and start queen cells quickly, select one or two and , hey presto in about 4 weeks you should have a new queen in lay. If they don't start cells they have a queen even if you can't find her. > And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. There are routine ways of doing this with a porter bee escape and/or a bait hive. I see this dicussed in another thread in the Newsgroup, check out Michael Moronay's posting. > I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood ( you mean larvae don't you ?) > and place it in my >hive? Yup. See above > and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? Hold the frame lug tightly in one hand, then hit that hand with your other one. Do it over the box. This jars the bees off the frame into the box. Once you have the knack you'll do it in one go, and don't worry about the odd bee. Now stick the frame into the other hive. >Thanks for your help Hope its useful. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!news From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: location for new hives /gloves Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:11:42 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4r0b4u$psc@grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin021.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, The answer is to get the right bees. They have to be calm and peacefull. Such bees accept a lot of threatment without getting aggressive. Get calm bees and you don´t need gloves in the most situations. I use only gloves if there are hard work to do in a hive, and then there is no need of fine touch sense. If you have got only a small number of hives and enough time to take care for them work with bare hands will teach you to work with concentration and feeling, a good attitude in beekeeping. A solution of vinegar and little water will work as a repellent. Wash your hands with it befor you start working on your hives. Surgical gloves and the most washing gloves are to thin to give sting-protection. Lether or strong rubber is needed to ensure this. Best regards ulli höger From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One hive swarming three times in a week...Help Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:31:47 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 68 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31d18040.89902458@sparky> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> In article <31d18040.89902458@sparky>, Susan Russell writes >I am new at beekeeping. I have a year old hive of Italian honey bees. >The hive has swarmed three times in the last week. I managed to >capture the second issue. Could someone please enlighten me as to >the frequency of this kind of event happening again? I thought that I >took adequate swarm measures. Destroying queen cells, adding supers, >reversing brood nest in early spring. What else should I have done?? > > Mmmmm, The old 'how to stop em swarming' query again. There are complete books dedicated to this one but here are a few pointers that may help. AA. Stating the obvious..Bees need to swarm to multiply, once there are queen cells with eggs laid there is litle point cutting them out as you are unlikely to change thier mind. The trick is to prevent them getting that far. BB. Bees swarm for several reasons 1a. Short of brood space. 1b. Short of honey storage space. 2. Crowded hive. 3a. Too hot. 3b. Poor ventilation. 4. Poor bee characteristics (swarmers) 5. To annoy the beekeeper. Personally I reckon cause '5' is the most believable. CC. The first swarm (prime swarm) left with your original mated queen, if you looked into the hive after that occurance you would see multiple Queen cells some capped others not. Select two or three of the best examples and re arrange the brood chamber to leave these cells close to each other. When the first virgin Queen emerges she should kill the other potential queens by stinging through the side of their cells. (not fully guaranteed as they litle sods don't read bee books) A few days later she will mate and then you will be OK til next year. DD. Without doing the above, newly emerged virgin queens can lead more swarms (called Casts) from the hive until the hive is severly weakened. This is what has happened to yourself. I presume by the time you read this it will be a bit late, however, have a look inside and carry out the above if there are still sealed Q cells. EE. Anyway , don't despair we all loose swarms just think about the causes early in the season. Give them plenty of space and don't breed >from bees that swarm for no good reason. Your present hive should survive but don't expect much honey this year. Cheers Graham Further reading.. 'SWARMING' L.E.Snelgrove ISBN 0905 652 290 Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. From afn36201@afn.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn36201 From: afn36201@afn.org (Christopher D. Kent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices? Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:22:08 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4r10rg$q73@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.afn.org NNTP-Posting-User: afn36201 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi all. I'm using my friends account here, so excuse the name discrepancy please. I have 75 hives in North Central Florida, and currently sell my honey at the following rates: 1 gal. - $14(US) 1/2 gal. - $9 1 qt. - $7.50 1 pt. - $5 1/2 pt. (1lb.) $2.50 I am curious how this compares to other areas. Any replies are appreciated, and please include your general location. Thanks in advance, Larry Dupee, Larry's Natural Delights. -- Motac @ Alachua Freenet, Gainesville, Fl., U.S.A. afn36201@afn.org From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:01:36 -0700 Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31D46450.1A0C@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:59:19 -0700 Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31D463C7.7D49@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM From ZZNF65A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 29 Jun 1996 02:17:42 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.254.74 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? From an563795@anon.penet.fi. Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi. (Justin Case) Subject: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Organization: Infinity LTD X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:20:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.19 Message-ID: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 9 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this help prevent the loss of a swarm? Why are the wings cut if not for swarm control? And, if it keeps them from flying away with a queen, what happens to the swarm after they realize that the queen is not able to fly with them? I live and keep my bees in a residential area where swarms are more frightening to passersby then if they saw it happen in the country. I am seriously considering the idea of purchasing clipped queens but I consider this a bit radical since I consider a clipped queen to be a damaged queen. Comments? From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almond Production, 06.28.96 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606290849202187@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 99 From: ERS Maintenance People Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:15:42 EDT Subject: Almond Production, 06.28.96 Almond Production Released June 28, 1996, by the National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS), Agricultural Statistics Board, U.S. Department of Agriculture. For information on "Almond Production" call Linda McMillan at (202) 720-4215, office hours 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. ET. For assistance with general agricultural statistics, information about NASS, its products or services, contact the NASS Information Hotline at 1-800-727-9540 or E-mail: NASS@NASS.USDA.GOV. Almond Production Up 43 Percent From Last Year California's 1996 almond production is forecast at 530 million meat pounds, up 2 percent from May's subjective forecast and up 43 percent from last year's crop. This forecast is based on an estimated bearing acreage of 410,000 acres. Production from the Nonpareil variety is forecast at 250 million meat pounds, up 52 percent from last season. The average nut set per tree is 5,482, up 45 percent from 1995. The Nonpareil average nut set is 4,963, an increase of 29 percent over the previous year's set. The average kernel weight for all varieties sampled was 1.85 grams, down 3 percent from last year. A total of 97.0 percent of the nuts sampled were sound. Statewide, bloom reports varied from good to excellent. Cold weather and intermittent rain storms during February and March hampered pollination. 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From LFWY87A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LFWY87A@prodigy.com (Sandra Bennett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: IRS sent me $492,883 to pay FSA (FmHA) Date: 29 Jun 1996 18:20:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r3s52$4i0u@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.254.73 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Sir, I thought you might be interested in seeing what a Half a Million dollar Tax Return looks like. Of course, since I only earned a few thousand dollars, one wonders why this "error" happened. Is this a case of one agency paying for the wrongdoing of their sister agency? IRS pays FSA (FmHA)? Did they really think we would use one agency's check to pay the other? Would that have been entrapment? Did they think we would follow in the Montana Freeman's footsteps? After 10 years of fighting them aren't they aware that although desperate, we are people of integrity? Strange that the check is written in the amount we need! Also strange that I received it two weeks after our web page went on line. To view the check and see more of our story, see our web page at: http://www.fix.net/~ebennett/ Sincerely, Sandra Bennett ebennett@fix.net From ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au!cdn_news.telecom.com.au!usenet From: ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:56:00 GMT Organization: Telstra Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.70.168 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) wrote: >I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee >population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? In Australia, we have to contact the Agriculture Dept. as this is a notifiable disease. If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. I am not too sure, check the Ag. Dept. to know for sure because the chalk brood affected hives will become weak and robbing will occur...these bees take home the disease hen you lose more hives, other apiarists become affected if their bees are in on the looting as well so you need to act sort of FAST to be totally fair and realistic to yourself, your bees, other Apiarists and all feral colonies of bees which can become landmines of infection. Good Luck!! Ian Disclaimer: Opinions of mine, not my employer!!! From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Solution Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606291819002188@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 121 ---------------------------------------- FYI* Good tread from the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- DB>From: douglas baty >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:15:23 -0500 >Subject: Re: Mite Solution: Queen Locating: Smoker Fuel DB>I used 'mite solution' for the first time last fall. Prior to its use I >had lost 23 of my 30 hives to Varroa mite. Although I had earlier used >Apistan, I did not want to continue using it. I placed the mite solution >in with grease patties in the fall, again this spring. A month ago I >checked for Varroa, both in drone brood and with Apistan with sticky >boards, and found NO Varroa. I don't know why it works, but from my >experience, it does work, and the bees are once again healthy and busy in >our gardens. Hello Douglas, This is good information, "it does work". You will see some comments >from others that will fault you or try to lay some kind of guilt trip on you for using a product that is in dispute with government regulators or is not properly registered. Please do not take these comments for anymore then what they are worth which is someone's educated or regulatory opinion who has nothing to lose from your own personal loss of your bees because you did not use an all natural product, other then the time they spent in posting the standard regulatory disclaimer that this is a NO NO..! I think that most of us know what is legal and what is not and I for one do not recommend anyone use anything that is not legal, but do not fault anyone who does and appreciate the reports of anyone's failure or success in doing something that I would not do myself for what ever the personal or job reason I have for not doing so myself. Much of the history of beekeeping is full of home remedies that work but can not be explained, and this includes almost all of the scientific work on bee medicines in use today, like sulfa drugs, (not used today) and TM which no one knows exactly even today how they work or even if they are intended to treat individual bees, bee grubs of one size or age, or the hive of bees as a whole. Sulfa is no longer legal to use in much of the bee world, not because of the dangers in its use by beekeepers but because of more general use in large animals for slaughter. TM is still allowed (in the US) but has been under attack several times and if it is denied because of problems outside of the bee industry you can be sure it too will be gone for use by beekeepers. There are other antibiotics and drugs that work as well as these on individual bee problems but because of the unrealistic costs of registration and not the dangers they could be misused are not available for use on bees. At the same time it must be acknowledged that in recent times when beekeeper have turned their attention to agricultural pesticides for the control of bee pests their have been some grand mistakes made by beekeepers, some beekeepers have managed to shorten their own time on this earth by their lack of knowledge on how to use pesticides. One case in California that resulted in the loss of all use of one chemical in use by the bee industry to kill diseased bees and also control wax moths for thirty five years without problems happened because a bee regulator who also was a beekeepers used the material without using common sense God gives us all and almost killed himself, result none of us, including bee regulators can use the chemical. In France and other places beekeepers have reported a decline in their own personal health because of the fogging of apiaries with pesticides to kill mites, so no fogging is now allowed. I could go on and on, but I won't as accidents do happen and it makes no difference if the product is approved or not. It is sad that the laws are such that no matter how good a home brew product of natural ingredients is there is no practicable way anyone can formulate it without spending large sums of money on standardized tests that may or may not protect the public or the user and do little more then add to the everyday cost of living and/or keeping our bees healthy. If the manufacture or formulator of this "mite solution" had sold it only as a bee food additive he may have been able to do it without serious legal problems because the laws are different for animal food additives then they are for pesticides. (You need no permit, licence, or should you need to fear feeding bees sugar, and other food replacements, even though it is possible that these can get into the honey if not used appropriately. The addition of other natural ingredients, such as the so called "mite solution" to bee food should be no different then adding TANG to standard insects diets which is/or was a standard practice for many years outside of the bee industry, done without any research to back it up other then the fact those who fed insects did it because it did no harm and they felt it was useful.) In this case I believe the ingredients are well known, readily available, natural, and safe to use, and may have even been or are being tested by the USDA for effective control of V. mites. Hopefully some time in the future we all may be able to purchase and use them without fear or problems from regulators. In what year or century I do not know. And my congratulation on being the first beekeeper in the United States to report being able to get off the pesticide treadmill if only for a short period of time.. I only hope it will not be to late for us all as we wait for the USDA or whoever is going to find the non chemical solution to the V. mites and gets the appropriate regulatory approval as an alarming number of bees that were treated with Apistan according to all recommendation and regulations were reported as dead this spring >from V. mites or PMS. If V. mites cause PMS then controlling the mites should solve the problem and our bees should be healthy or at least not dieing from V. mites or PMS. All PMS does is give the chemical manufacture of Apistan an out when beekeepers find their products is not working as advertised as they will say, "our product worked, your bees must have died from PMS" and "the proof our product works is every beekeeper is using it, and if it did not work they would not be doing so", "and its registered, regulated, and recommended by our agents the USDA, bee regulatory officials, and those in higher education and bee research". They won't tell you that none of the above is any more adapt at keeping their bees alive then you are, that is the few that have any live bees. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ L'ENFUMOIR" is the tool the beekeeper uses to smoke pot? From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:44:11 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r5m74$c8q@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> an563795@anon.penet.fi. (Justin Case) writes: > I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this > help prevent the loss of a swarm? << snip>> Justin When a swarm takes off the queen goes with it. As she can't fly she crawls out the door and gets lost. All of the swarmed bees (less the queen) fly back to the hive. The hive is kept up to stength and the hive should soon have reared a new queen. It's common practice in the spring to clip the previous year's new queens. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk packet GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU From 100603.1400@compuserve.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <100603.1400@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No Unsealed Brood. Date: 30 Jun 1996 14:29:27 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld39-097.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1371 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 I have just started beekeeping with two nuclei which I received two weeks ago. Today I have checked them both through for a second time. In the first all seemed well with eggs, larvae and sealed brood; with an increase in worked foundation. On opening the second hive I immediately saw a fully sealed queen cell at the bottom of the frame, then checking through the rest of the frames found another queen cell and a two thirds completed queen cell, which was empty. In addition, apart from one nearly sealed drone cell, there was no open brood. There was considerable amounts of sealed brood, but where there had been brood emerging was now being filled with nectar and pollen.There was also a marked amount of capped honey cells compared to the first hive. From this I assume that this hive has no queen and that she was probably lost when I opened the hive the week. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, other than curbing my curiosity. Should I just let bees sort themselves out, as they appear to be doing? If so how long ought I leave before inspecting again to check that they have a laying queen ? The other thought is to unite the two stocks and then split later in the season to form a nucleus when they have built up further. Richard Fox Pattishall, Northants, UK. From afn36201@afn.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet From: Motac Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:54:25 -0700 Organization: Alachua Freenet Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31D6DB71.385E@afn.org> References: <31D46450.1A0C@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup61.afn.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: Mark Egloff Mark Egloff wrote: > > I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge > this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I > read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? > > Mark Egloff > MEGLOFF@CSC.COM Mark, I have not had any problem with the prices I'm charging. I am a bit higher (.50 to $1) than some others in the area, but the others process their honey in different ways. Mine is cold filtered, and never heated during processing, resulting in a higher quality honey - so I'm told by both wholesale and retail customers. Some grocers buy honey from me and my competitors at the same time, but they have no problem selling mine at the higher rate right off of the same shelf. People are willing to pay a little more if the quality difference is obvious. Honey that is heated during extraction or filtering ends up visibly less thick than honey that isn't. When I do get a price complaint, I point out that honey and produce prices are likely to skyrocket soon because of all the problems with the bees this year. Usually, they understand. If not, there's always another buyer up the road. Anyway, I based my prices mostly on what others in my area are charging. If you have a superior product, you can get away charging a little more, but not a lot more than your competition. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Motac @ Alachua Freenet "The time has come," the Walrus said, Gainesville, Florida, U.S.A. "To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot-- And whether pigs have wings." -Alice's Adventures in Wonderland- Lewis Carroll afn36201@afn.org From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:25:14 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4r6cg0$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-26.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) wrote: >If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should >probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. Good god man, your government sure takes drastic measures over minor problems! To the original poster: JUST REQUEEN -- that should cure the problem. There is no known treatment for Chalkbrood. From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!udel-eecis!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IRS sent me $492,883 to pay FSA (FmHA) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:20:33 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4r6c76$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4r3s52$4i0u@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-26.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 LFWY87A@prodigy.com (Sandra Bennett) wrote: Dear Sandra, Give it a rest, darlin'.... From VKKG74B@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Date: 30 Jun 1996 23:39:09 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r736t$e1a@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.46 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have two colonies of Italians. The queens are now 15 and 12 months old respectively and I plan to requeen later this summer. I've heard that Buckfast bees have good mite resistance and are easy to work with. Has any one here in the mid atlantic US any experience with Buckfasts to share. Any other advice? Crispin Foster From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uwvax!news.heurikon.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!news.starnet.net!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: 1 Jul 1996 00:06:56 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4r74r0$su5@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Justin Case (an563795@anon.penet.fi.) wrote: : I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this : help prevent the loss of a swarm? Why are the wings cut if not for swarm : control? And, if it keeps them from flying away with a queen, what happens : to the swarm after they realize that the queen is not able to fly with them? : I live and keep my bees in a residential area where swarms are more : frightening to passersby then if they saw it happen in the country. I am : seriously considering the idea of purchasing clipped queens but I consider : this a bit radical since I consider a clipped queen to be a damaged queen. First, the best way to prevent swarms is to have a young queen, give plenty of room to the bees, and do regular swarm checks, taking appropriate measures if swarming preparation is detected. Clipping a Queen's wings won't prevent the colony from making swarming preparations (building queen cells) and in the long run it doesn't prevent them from swarming: When the swarm first issues, the clipped queen won't be able to accompany it and the swarming bees will return (the queen may be lost in the process when it leaves the hive and can't fly). The bees will wait till some of the new queens emerge, and one or more of these will then leave with the prime swarm. (There may also be more likelihood of casts.) So what you gain by having clipped queens is a bit of time - the time between the colony first attempting to swarm and it actually doing so, and this could be important: A colony may swarm in as little as ten days after initiating queen rearing. If you do swarm checks every two weeks, there is a small possibility that you may still lose a swarm. With clipped queens, given that it takes 16 days from an egg to an emerged queen, you give yourself an extra safeguard. I don't consider a clipped queen to be damaged, since it doesn't seem to affect the queen's performance (except in the air). If the bees "considered" the queen damaged they would supersede her. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 1 Jul 1996 03:51:17 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r7hvl$p13@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stephen Kiss (ZZNF65A@prodigy.com) wrote: : I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee : population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? Chalkbrood is endemic in many countries, and is not considered a major disease, though it can occasionally destroy a colony. It is a "stress" disease, and has adverse impacts on colonies when the colony is already weakened, or is suffering from other conditions. In the case of chalk brood, which is a fungal disease, such conditions are usually damp conditions inside the hive. If this appears to be the case for your hive, you may wish to increase the ventilation, perhaps replacing the floorboard if it is damp, and ensuring plenty of ventilation under the hive by elevating it a few inches. Also, if your hives are situated in a damp area (such as the bottom of a gully) it may pay to relocate them to a drier area. The mummies of chalkbrood victims are sources of reinfection, so remove and destroy any brood combs which have a large proportion of mummies. Uniting weak colonies together will also help, since a strong colony is more able to fight disease than a weak one. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives for sale Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:59:01 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 This posting is mainly for the UK beekeepers. Am considering selling my bees and all the kit. Has anyone got any guideline as to what they are worth. Five good hives, 15 supers with frames, extractor etc. etc. After 18 years of beekeeping it's time for a rest! John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: 1 Jul 1996 13:59:38 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin004.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Cutting of a wing of the queen will not prevent a swarm, but you don´t lose it if you take a regular look for your bees. The old queen will fall on the ground if she leaves the hive with the swarm. The queenless swarm will return to its hive after a short time, and the wingless queen is crawling in front of the hive, attended by a small number of bees. The swarm inside the hive is waiting now for the first virgin queen to leave the hive again. This will give you some more days to buildt up 2nd hive with them (you can use the old queen if you pick her up in front of the hive, or use a new, virgin queen or queencell). If you miss this chance they are gone a week later. Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and angry neigbours Usullay 1/3 to 1/4 of one wing is cut off. This will disable the queen to fly away(reason for this is the flightmechanism of Hymnoptera or Diptera, a dragonfly or a locust will be able to fly with 3 wings). So is it important to do this cutting only on adult, ready mated queens (wait a few weeks after she starts laying eggs) and cut only one wing. Complete cutting of both pairs of wings may force the bees to rear a new queen, cutting off 1/3 will cause not such problems. Wish all of you a good season Ulli Höger From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: 1 Jul 1996 14:19:05 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin004.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start rearing a new one. After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after hatching. If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they are still queenless they will rear new queencells. If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall swarm with a new queen. Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you got a new hive. Good luck Ulli Höger From newleif@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Visit to S. Minn and Eastern ND 7/13-20/96 Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:33:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4r8ukl$nj7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am an Oregon sideline beekeeper and will be travelling between Minneapollis and Fargo. We will be staying in Fargo for a week on business. Will have time to visit with interested beekeepers to share information about our joys and sorrows with the Apis critter on the 13th, 14th and part of the 15th. Is there anyone who is willing to let us see what your yard and operation is like in this area? leave a message and we will email the details. Always willing to learn more. NewLeif@aol.com From cspacek@sprynet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee problems Date: 1 Jul 1996 04:36:07 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4r7kjn$3n8@lal.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd03-025.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1279 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (32-bit) 4.00 Mike Carbiener writes: >I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a >hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, >each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back >a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of >someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the >queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and >nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? >Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so >hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my >hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? >Thanks for your help >-- >Mike Carbiener > >http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ From cspacek@sprynet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee problems Date: 1 Jul 1996 04:37:53 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4r7kn1$3n8@lal.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd03-025.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1359 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (32-bit) 4.00 Mike Carbiener writes: >I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a >hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, >each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back >a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of >someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the >queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and >nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? >Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so >hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my >hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? >Thanks for your help >-- >Mike Carbiener > >http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ the answer s to your questions are in Apis news letter @apis home page good luck From drebben1@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!news1.io.org!winternet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!usenet From: Ken Pereira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eagle Scout Project Date: 1 Jul 1996 20:05:32 GMT Organization: InfoPage Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4r9b2c$4bf@nntp1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipage.vip.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Hello. My name is Ken. I am 15 years old, and have been working hard on my Boy Scout Eagle Rank. To acquire this I need to conduct a service project for my community. The project I chose was to build a Beehive for The John Muir House National Historic Site. Unfortuneately I can not get started until I have some funding. I have called several companies and none really care about the BSA. (boy scouts of america). So here I am now begging for your generosity. If anybody wants to send just $1 or whatever i would be very greatful. Ken Pereira 121 Gardenia Ct. Martinez Ca. 94553 USA From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!news From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 22:21:15 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r9mht$8kv@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.79 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) wrote: >I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee >population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? We had chalkbrood for first time last Summer. It severeley effected every hive in a 50 hive apiary. As chalkbrood is a recent introduction to Australia I believe the bees had little resistance and hopefully things will be better this summer. Very little honey collected for whole season. All the tried and true methods of control were applied, including requeening, all failed to stem the tide. Three mile down the road I have not had one case of chalkbrood. At the time of the outbreak we were feeding Soy flour in the open and I believe this was why the problem was so complete No our Ag Dept (New South Wales) does not recommend destruction, just as well I would have been wiped out! Chalk brood is now considered endemic to the Eastern States here in Australia. Its effects at this early stage range from mildly annoying to near disaster! No doubt, with time, it will abate. Peter Murphy From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: 30 Jun 1996 06:08:54 GMT Message-ID: <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 11 I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb their father used. The bees may get smaller, but that does not prove anything about pollen/nectar loads. Smaller bees may mean more honey because it takes less to raise a smaller bee, less honey used to make new comb, etc. The pollen load wouldn't matter on the bee size much. Of course, you must replace drone comb in the brood chamber. I'm still sittin' on the fence on this one! Evan I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb their father used. The bees may get smaller, but that does not prove anything about pollen/nectar loads. Smaller bees may mean more honey because it takes less to raise a smaller bee, less honey used to make new comb, etc. The pollen load wouldn't matter on the bee size much. Of course, you must replace drone comb in the brood chamber. I'm still sittin' on the fence on this one! Evan From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.cableol.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:12:44 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger writes >Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of >a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and >angry neigbours > Good points, except the last ! If shes not clipped they go out and go away. If she's clipped they go out, they go in. They go out, they go in. They go out ......... :-) -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:54:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rbr90$23n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Yes you had two virgin queens I'd say. But it could possibly be two mated queens, but most unlikely. How to get bees out of a wall? Get hold of ABZ of beekeeping from a library. there is a method in there but it involves a small hive (nucleus). If you can get to a library of some worth it may have back numbers of Bee Craft. Or you can write to me at: !, Rushford Avenue, Wombourne, wolverhampton, WV5 0HZ, UK and I'll give you a scanned version of one of my back numbers. I've done it, It works. Christopher Westall From NateS@svi.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.MediaCity.com!usenet From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 00:13:11 -0700 Organization: MediaCity World http://www.mediacity.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31D8CC07.3727@svi.org> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.110.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I was also about to post a question about cutting a queen's wings... and some of you might find this interesting. My best friend who is a phylosophy student gave me a book to read, Virgil's The Georgics, since he knows that I am a beekeeper and he can't resist an opportunity to get me to read a little of his material. The Georgics, written in 29 B.C., has one section all about beekeeping, so if you are interested in some history of beekeeping, give it a read. The one part that caught my eye was about clipping a Queen's (rather King's as written) wings as a method of swarm control. "But if the swarm is aimless, gadding about in the air, disdainful of the cells and leaving its quarters to get cold, you must intervene to check their giddy spirits from idle play. To check them is no great task: just take the kings and tear their wings off. While these stay at home no one will dare to take off into the air, strike camp and move the standards." So, there you have it. A practice that dates back hundres of years. nate From mccannon@cris.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: mccannon@cris.com (Walter McCannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 22:40:14 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc028068.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It was not at all crystallized and about half of the comb was out of the liquid honey. Is there a chance that the honey spoiled when the pantry got quite warm one of the days my air conditioning was broken? Thanks for your expert response, Walter --------------------------------------------------------------------- Walter P. McCannon e-mail: mccannon@cris.com Marietta, GA CI$: 74633,403 walter.p.mccannon@gpc.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ccgammon@awinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:48:55 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4rbcsn$doo@kryten.awinc.com> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r9mht$8kv@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes07.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Peter: In Canada, our personal experience with chalkbrood has been that it may be based upon insufficient hive ventilation. I don't understand the scientific aspects, however, it is my understanding that chalkbrood is related to excessive heat and moisture. A number of beekeepers up here have improved the ventilation in their hives and the chalkbrood vanished. One thing you can try is take an empty deep or dadant box and stretch and staple window screening over the entire underside of the box. Then, drill 1 and 1/2 inch holes all around the box, about 3 inches down from the top of the box. Screen in the holes. When that's done, put the box on top of the hive (allowing bee space between the screening and the topbar of the frames) and then put the lid on top of that. The idea is that the hot, moist air goes up into the empty box and vents out the holes. Consequently, the hive can concentrate on foraging and dehydrating the nectar. For some reason, the chalkbrood leaves, too. Craig G. From ccgammon@awinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!laslo.netnet.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:54:14 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes07.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his telephone number. Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful. Craig G. From saylor@nitco.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hyperion.nitco.com!root From: Tom Saylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aerial Photography Service Date: 2 Jul 1996 16:31:57 GMT Organization: Tom Saylor Photography Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4rbitt$rr7@hyperion.nitco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.15.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12367 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4780 Hi, we're an aerial photography company in the United States---we travel throughout the USA shooting low-level oblique color slides from low-flying airplanes. We specialize in business and industrial aerial photos, but we'll photograph any site we can identify and fly to including agricultural and residential properties. Currently we are working in the Northeast---NJ, MA, CT, etc. If you need current aerial photography please check our web site to see our 1996 shooting schedule. Generally we work in one state at a time---traveling with the seasons. We shoot high quality medium format transparency film with gyroscopic stabilization to give you extremely high image quality. Check our web site for more details. -- Tom Saylor Photography http://www.saylorphoto.com/ phone:(219)992-2413 fax:(219)992-2644 From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New hive and some questions Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:53:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rbr84$23d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Richard, if you see eggs you have a queen. If eggs are too small for you, larvae present will also be positive. Queens are not easily seen as a rule. You will come across her when you least expect it. If you see well loaded pollen baskets on the bees entering you can be fairly sure all is well. However your concern is real I would say most queens are killed because of the beekeeper. Christopher Westall, UK (England) From parker@airtime.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.airtime.co.uk!airtime.co.uk!parker From: "Chris Parker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives for sale Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 22:24:46 +0000 Organization: None Lines: 11 Message-ID: <18446242296645ntc@airtime.co.uk> References: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.airtime.co.uk X-Newsreader: NETcetera II - 2.503 (Registered) 12000089 (c)1994-1996 Much depends upon the type of hive you possess and the condition. As a rough guide second hand equipment sell for approximately 30% of the new value, sometimes a little less.Now is not the time to sell equipment. Why not pass it over to a budding newcomer who wishes to start up. Neville Hawken - Bath Beekeepers. From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David & Margaret Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:22:09 +0100 Organization: berfa - now bigger than ever Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2YZuCKAx2i2xEwrf@berfa.demon.co.uk> References: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 In article <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net>, Walter McCannon writes > >I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last >year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and >I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. > >The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It was not >at all crystallized and about half of the comb was out of the liquid honey. > >Is there a chance that the honey spoiled when the pantry got quite warm one >of the days my air conditioning was broken? > >Thanks for your expert response, Walter >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Walter P. McCannon e-mail: mccannon@cris.com >Marietta, GA CI$: 74633,403 walter.p.mccannon@gpc.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------- This response is not given as an expert but more for general advice. Yes honey can change and it can spoil. At higher concentrations of sugar you can get crystal formation and this can give a different mouth-feel at low concentrations , less than about 65% w/w if I remember but check for yoruself if the exact figure is importanmt, the honey is very thin and small beekeepers feed it back to them. Thin or weak honey is prone to microbiological spoilage and this will affect the taste. Traditional jars of jam and preserves have a small sheet of waxed paper to prevent any water droplets from condensation initiating local spoilage as that local sugar concentration is reduces. If the humididty is high, as I recall this it is at this time, them that could cause spoilage. -- David & Margaret Gladstone From brooksc@it.postoffice.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news-in.tiac.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uk-po.com!usenet From: Chris Brooks Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drowned bees Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 10:56:35 +0100 Organization: The Post Office Lines: 28 Message-ID: <31D8F253.EF5@it.postoffice.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.87.1.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: Jolyon Jenkins Jolyon Jenkins wrote: > > I took some honey last weekend from one of my hives having put a porter > escape below the honey super a few days previously. Just in case porter > escapes are called something different in other parts of the world, these > are little metal devices which allows bees through in one direction > (down) but not the other, so you can remove the super later, free of > bees. Normally I don't bother with one - I just brush and shake the bees > off - so this was an experiment. I too use Porter-Bee escapes, they work best when the weather is warm and the bees want to get out. I have found that to clear a super it is best to use two Porter-Bee escapes per super. The only problems I have had with them are :- a) When I had drones up there (Don't ask) and they are too big to get out and died. b) When I have left the escapes on for 4 or more days the bees have sealed them up from below. I have not had dead bees above the escape other than the Drones. Bees cannot drown in the Honey if it is ripe as it should not run down for them to drown in. ChrisB (Chesterfield, UK) From dhoward@helius.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.caldera.com!news From: Dirk Howard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 16:50:04 -0600 Organization: Helius, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <31D9A79C.69B1F0CC@helius.com> References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.helius.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4CALDERA (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) To: Craig Gammon Craig Gammon wrote: > > I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the > Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason > bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his > telephone number. > > Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. > If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful. > > Craig G. Take a look at the following web page. http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/ Dirk --- dhoward@helius.com From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:27:18 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org>, "Evan E. Twombly" writes >I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb >their father used. I'm still sittin' >on the fence on this one! > >Evan > I'm not on the fence. I think 'It ain't natural' and 'disease, disease, disease.' In one of the Scandinavian counties I'm told by law all beekeepers must change the brood chamber combs every year. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From ryoung@inow.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ns2.mainstreet.net!viper.inow.com!du49.inow.com!user From: ryoung@inow.com (Rick Young) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 11:25:19 -0800 Organization: self Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du49.inow.com In article <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com>, ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) wrote: >I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle >area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. Evan Sugden and Kristina Willians of Bothell, Washingon sell Mason Bees and bee blocks (houses). Their company is EntomoLogic. Evan's email address is easugden@msn.com. Their products are based on a cardboard tube inserts (nests) that go into 3/8" holes drilled into the bee block. The inside diameter of the tube is 5/16". They sell the Mason Bees in these 3 3/8" long tubes, a 20 hole bee block, and replacement tubes. When you have a surplus of bees they will buy them back. Their literature indicates that they have applied for a patent ("patent applied for") on some aspect of their removable inserts. As indicated in other replies to this, Knox Cellars also has Mason Bees and bee blocks (http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/). One of Knox Cellars products in an informative book (70 pages) "The Orchard Mason Bee" by Brian L. Griffin. In the "Addendum to 2nd Printing 1994" of the above book Brian recommends: (because the bees) "prefer a clean fresh hole" ... "keep two sets of nesting blocks and use then in alternate years" ... "remove the old blocks, redrill and clean them with a clorox solution". I assume that this also helps reduce the parasitic mite population and the Chalk Brood fungus disease. EntomoLogic's replaceable cardboard tubes are an alternate way of providing a "clean fresh hole" that appears to be easier to maintain than the above and you can easily give or sell surplus nest to others. It does have a recurring cost of replacing the tubes. The bee blocks are of different sizes (36 & 20 hole) and cost. When comparing them keep in mind that you should buy Knox Cellar's blocks in pairs. With the EntomoLogic block you put all nest tubes with bees in a temporary housing (a can) in the spring and the bees emerge from there. This allows you to put new tubes in the same block, and if necessary, you can clean it without having a second set of blocks. - Rick - Rick (EMail: ryoung@inow.com) From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!comp.vuw.ac.nz!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 3 Jul 1996 04:51:37 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4rcu8p$osj@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> <4r6cg0$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] BusyKnight (busykngt@airmail.net) wrote: : ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) wrote: : >If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should : >probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. : Good god man, your government sure takes drastic measures : over minor problems! The Australian measures would be drastic if chalkbrood were endemic in Australia. However, chalkbrood does not occur in Australia (unless it has sneaked in recently), and so the Australian measures are appropriate to prevent the disease becoming established in that country. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From ajdel@interramp.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!inXS.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip209.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: 3 Jul 1996 00:39:22 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rcffq$ehg@usenet4.interramp.com> References: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.209 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:50:18 GMT In article <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> Walter McCannon, mccannon@cris.com writes: >I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last >year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and >I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. > >The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It is probable that the honey fermented. The world is full of wild yeast and a fair number of these find their way into honey. If the honey has been concentrated enough by the bees (to the point where it has less than about 18% water) osmotic pressure causes the water within the yeast cells to pass to the honey causing the yeast to go dormant. If the honey is not sufficiently dry, the yeast will begin to ferment the sugars in the honey converting them to alcohol and carbon dioxide. A producer who suspects that his honey is too high in water content will heat it thus killing the yeast cells and delaying the onset of fermentation. This is only a temporary fix as the honey becomes reinocculated when the consumer opens the jar. Most states require that honey sold in their jurisdiction have less than a specified amount of water. But honey is quite hygroscopic which means that it will absorb water >from the air if it is humid enough. I can't tell exactly what happened to your jar of honey but the absence of sweetness strongly suggests fermentation. Cheers, AJ From rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!btnet-feed1!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Jolyon Jenkins") Subject: Drowned bees Message-ID: Organization: . Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:09:40 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 27 I took some honey last weekend from one of my hives having put a porter escape below the honey super a few days previously. Just in case porter escapes are called something different in other parts of the world, these are little metal devices which allows bees through in one direction (down) but not the other, so you can remove the super later, free of bees. Normally I don't bother with one - I just brush and shake the bees off - so this was an experiment. When I came to retrieve the super, I found about 50 - 100 dead bees in it. They were blackened and looked as if they had drowned in honey. I don't know why this is. My theory is that they were bees which were going to die anyway, and would normally have been cleared out of the hive by healthy workers, except that all the healthy workers had left the super, so there was no one to do it. My co-owner of the hive disagrees and thinks that the dead bees were somehow trapped in the super by the porter escape and drowned in honey. She points out that they were all covered in the stuff. I argue that if this were the correct explanation, they would be clustered around the escape, whereas in fact they were evenly distributed around the frames, and showed no sign of having tried to get out. (Basically, she is arguing that I left the escape on too long - about four days - and that some bees got trapped and died. I just think they would have died anyway.) Can any more experienced bee-keeper shed any light on this? Jolyon Jenkins From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: 3 Jul 1996 10:21:31 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 25 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rdvlb$1jr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader >> I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his telephone number. Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful.<< Brian Griffin has a web site with info on Orchard Mason bees. http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/omb.htm He's out in the Pacific NW, so he may be the one you want. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives for sale Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:08:18 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, "John E. Fox" writes > >This posting is mainly for the UK beekeepers. >Am considering selling my bees and all the kit. Has anyone got >any guideline as to what they are worth. Five good hives, 15 supers >with frames, extractor etc. etc. > >After 18 years of beekeeping it's time for a rest! > >John Fox > >****************************************************************** >Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk >School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 >The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 >Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK Hi John, I am assuming that the hives are nationals, in which case they would sell empty for about 25.00ukp. That is floor b. box, QE,super, cover board, & roof. A hive of bees may well sell for 60.00 ukp. It all depends if you can find a buyer. I expect that with varroa working its way further west that there may well be a surplus of hives available. As extractor if it is tinplate is worthless, however stainless steel and plastic do have some value. I have seen 10 frame radials go for 70.00 at auction at Hartpury. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers' Association From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:56:55 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger writes >Hi, >Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start >rearing a new one. >After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready >for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather >conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after >hatching. >If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with >eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they >are still queenless they will rear new queencells. >If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce >eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, >if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up >this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall >swarm with a new queen. >Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker >queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! >A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and >let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. >The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and >get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. >There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and >honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you >got a new hive. > >Good luck > >Ulli Höger > >As Ulli says you may well find that a new queen is produced, and you will be able to tell after 3 weeks or so as there will be uncapped brood and eggs. If after this time there is not evidence of a queen then you can exchange a frame of eggs and unsealed brood from your other have and introduce it (free of bees) into you queenless hive. the bees will then produce a new queen from the introduced eggs. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers Association -- Graham Loveridge From LKDC43A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LKDC43A@prodigy.com (Jerry Mishler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are you LOOKING for winter locations? Date: 4 Jul 1996 01:06:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.74 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I am a beekeeper in central Fl. that would like to run you bees for the winter. I will provide all locations for your bees. If you would be intrested in shipping your bees for winter locations please call 407-860- 3755 thank you. From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.fm.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!news.co.intel.com!joel From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update on creation of sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 3 Jul 1996 17:01:19 GMT Organization: Scalable Systems Division (SSD), Intel Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.co.intel.com Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:2772 alt.agriculture.misc:5493 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13361 rec.gardens:138498 sci.agriculture:12399 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4795 For those of you who saw the RFD for creation of sci.agriculture.fruit, a Call For Votes (CFV) is in the queue and should appear in the next week or two. The discussion was limited so be sure and vote so we get a good representation. Thanks joel From NAFTA@gnn.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!NAFTA From: NAFTA@gnn.com (Heber Castillo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mexican Honey For Sale Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 21:14:28 Organization: Nafta Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4rf9p1$188@news-e2b.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 43-50.client.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1996 02:20:17 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 I will have Mexican wildflower pure honey for sale in september. Looking for a buyer or partner to buy large quantity. This is good quality honey from the Veracruz area. If interested please reply by e-mail. From akhatt1@umbc.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: akhatt1@umbc.edu (Live for Today / Strive for Tomorrow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Honeyfarm website Date: 4 Jul 1996 02:09:31 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4rfn6r$n07@umbc10.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc10.umbc.edu NNTP-Posting-User: akhatt1 Howard Honey Farms welcomes the honor of your presence at its new website: http://smart.net/~metric/honey Howard Honey Farms is a honey farm located in Maryland. Thanks! -- Adnan Khattak akhatt1@gl.umbc.edu "When you're good and crazy, the sky's the limit!!" - The Tick From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:56:15 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ECaldw9669 writes >Does anyone have information or experience with requeening a colony with >queen cells using cell protectors? We have recently begun trying this >method and are wondering if anyone has used this method and what results >you obtained. > >Also, if we don't kill the old queen, when we introduce the queen cell, >what percentage of the time will the virgin queen kill the existing queen? > I'm disappointed not to have seen any replies on this issue yet. I have tried this with a group of my collegues this summer and we are just begining to see what happened. We raised a batch of 10 cells for introduction into various colonies. They were protected either by home-made spiral wound wire cages or Sellotape (and both) and the old queens marked. So far we know that four suceeded in producing new laying queens and await news of the others. These four go as follows. One (Sellotape) into a nuc resulted in a mature (we think laying) queen coexisting with the old queen. Unfortunately a later attempt to mark her resulted in her being balled by the bees and killed. One (Sellotape) into a colony with a three year old queen resulted in the new queen again coexisting with the old. This has now been divided. One (Sellotape) into a swarm with a queen of unknown age has emerged and the old queen has not been seen. One (wire) emerged two days after insertion into a colony with a three year old queen. Sixteen days later the new and old queens were both seen laying on the same frame about 4 cells apart. The old queen has now been removed into a top-bar log hive together with all the flying bees and the new left to build for the winter. For the last week or so the weather has been miserable and cold (this is England!) and inspection not particularly wise. With hindsight we would have wanted to leave the pairs of queens together to see how long they would co-exist but we had planed to use them in observations or the log where we needed old queens. The rate of co-existence seems quite high but could all be attributed to the declining old queens. It suggests too that the bees are more often responsible for killing unwanted queens rather than queens fighting. My opinion is that with younger queens one is more likely to kill the other but you could not be sure the survivor (whichever) would be undamaged, or that (in our climate) the virgin would properly mate afterwards. If so you need to control this. Next time ...... Have you any news ? -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on creation of sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 4 Jul 1996 10:18:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4rg5po$jiv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:2777 alt.agriculture.misc:5494 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13364 rec.gardens:138575 sci.agriculture:12403 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4799 In article <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com>, Joel Clark wrote: > >For those of you who saw the RFD for creation of sci.agriculture.fruit, >a Call For Votes (CFV) is in the queue and should appear in the next >week or two. The discussion was limited so be sure and vote so we >get a good representation. Really. I saw three follow-ups to the RFD in news.groups. How about posting the amended charter *before* you post a CFV? I'd like to see if any of my suggestions were implemented. thanks, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supplies Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:23 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the '000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supplies Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:32:29 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article , Dave Black writes >Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act >as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items >like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the >'000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. Dave, Give Derbyshire Beekeeping Centre a ring on 01773 550513. They sell the JZ & BZ push-in cell cups for £3.82 per 100, the cell protectors at £1.00 for 10, and the oval queen cages at £2.88 for 10. At least, these are the prices they quote in their Spring price-list. I bought a load of Jenter and Apidea stuff from them recently and found them to be very prompt and reliable. However, don't expect to pay by plastic as I think they are only a small operation and don't like paying the credit card company their cut. I paid by cheque. I hope that this helps, -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From shawnm@unb.ca Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!for008.novlab.unb.ca!shawnm From: shawnm@unb.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Animal Damage Prevention Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:04:19 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: for008.novlab.unb.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] I am looking for contacts to find literature, Gov't depts, or companies that deal in the prevention of crop damage (including bee hives as well as orchirds and field crops) by bears, deer, birds and other species of wildlife. If you can help at all, please email me and let me know. shawnm@unb.ca From meghan@cctv.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!bristlecone.together.net!news From: meghan@cctv.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: 4 Jul 1996 19:23:35 GMT Organization: onectc Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4rh5nn$nlr@bristlecone.together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port-44-max-btv-03.ramp.together.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Does anyone have plans for building a small 2-4 frame honey extractor? I have the Garden Way plans, but i want to get even simpler...and I don't have alot of money...Thanks meghan From wilkhack@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A problem I have with my first hive Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:40:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rha8i$95c@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com When you start a new hive with all new foundation you need to basically force the bees to draw cells on it. That means that you have to fill the hive body with all 10 frames of foundation. Now that you have cells built all over the inside of your hive you need to scrape these off of the sides and top and put all of your frames in the hive. This will leave them no room to draw anywhere else but on the foundation. Keep the top bars of you frames scraped clean of wax and the bottom as well. You will then be able to open your hive more easily. To open your hive now you need to use your hive tool and pry it open, then scrape clean of wax. The bees will build "spur comb" on top of the frames as they start to run out of room keep it scraped off or you will run into the same problem. If you can get ahold of some drawn comb (foundation where bees have already built comb) the bees like to use this much better that new foundation. They don't want to use new foundation, that is why you have to force them. From janetkatz@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: 4 Jul 1996 17:27:34 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rhd06$alv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4qrrqj$fjp@news.cc.utah.edu> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Ted: Yet another opininion. I would have gone with the two deep brood boxes, metal queen excluder and a honey super. I didn't use excluders the first few years I kept bees and didn't like the brood in the honey supers. Also, I just clean the burr comb off the top bars and from around that first frame so, like someone else said, when you pry that first frame up and out you're not gouging the capped honey or rolling bees. If 10 frames seem too tight, you might want to go to a nine-frame configuration. There are metal spacers that you can tack on the top lips of the box so that nine frames will be nicely spaced. Janet A. Katz From janetkatz@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A problem I have with my first hive Date: 4 Jul 1996 17:26:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rhcuv$alh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Chris: I'll make two suggestions: 1. The "hammer" approach. Just get in there, remove all the burr comb, gently shaking the bees back in, and put in the missing frames; or 2. If the pieces of burr comb attached to the top and sides are big enough, gently remove them and place them in a frame wiring them in place with the same thin wire you would embed in plain wax foundation. Make sure the cant of the cells is upward (in other words, don't put the burr comb in the frame up-side-down). Both methods have been successful for me. \ Janet A. Katz From brooksc@it.postoffice.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uk-po.com!usenet From: Chris Brooks Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 08:32:14 +0100 Organization: The Post Office Lines: 310 Message-ID: <31DB737E.EF0@it.postoffice.co.uk> References: <4rh5nn$nlr@bristlecone.together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.87.1.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------281E1EFD7285" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------281E1EFD7285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit meghan@cctv.org wrote: > > Does anyone have plans for building a small 2-4 frame honey extractor? > I have the Garden Way plans, but i want to get even simpler...and I don't > have alot of money...Thanks meghan Try http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html as they have some plans. 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Jordan L.K. Schwartz - jlks@u.washington.edu --------------281E1EFD7285-- From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are you LOOKING for winter locations? Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:07:47 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4rijbn$m4u@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> LKDC43A@prodigy.com (Jerry Mishler) writes: > I am a beekeeper in central Fl. that would like to run you bees for the > winter. I will provide all locations for your bees. If you would be > intrested in shipping your bees for winter locations please call 407-860- > 3755 thank you. Could I leave my bees where they are and come myself instead ? Bill, Tropical Scotland From john@gateside.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gateside.demon.co.uk!john From: John Stanton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa & Oil of Wintergreen Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:00:37 +0100 Organization: joshua plumtree Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gateside.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gateside.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 I have heard of oil of wintergreen being used as an old fashioned remedy for infected hives - has anyone heard or used this in their hives and if so what for and what were the results. -- John Stanton From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 17:45:13 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4rj9ru$mh7@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj3-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 05 7:46:22 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Graham Loveridge wrote: >In article <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger > writes >>Hi, >>Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start >>rearing a new one. >>After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready >>for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather >>conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after >>hatching. >>If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with >>eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they >>are still queenless they will rear new queencells. >>If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce >>eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, >>if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up >>this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall >>swarm with a new queen. >>Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker >>queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! >>A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and >>let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. >>The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and >>get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. >>There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and >>honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you >>got a new hive. >> >>Good luck >> >>Ulli Höger >> >>As Ulli says you may well find that a new queen is produced, and you >will be able to tell after 3 weeks or so as there will be uncapped brood >and eggs. If after this time there is not evidence of a queen then you >can exchange a frame of eggs and unsealed brood from your other have and >introduce it (free of bees) into you queenless hive. the bees will then >produce a new queen from the introduced eggs. >Graham Loveridge >Gwent Beekeepers Association >-- >Graham Loveridge The only thought I have to add is that the eggs that are introduced to the queenless hive have to be not more than 36 hours' old--they still look like very tiny grains of rice standing on end--if you have good eyes! Janet Katz From hox@nas.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!news From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can we get our swarm back? Date: 5 Jul 1996 18:06:45 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4rjljl$9u5@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup25.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Hello, Yesterday one of our hives swarmed. We were able to follow them for about 1/4 mile and then lost them in heavey brush and woods. I was wondering how far a swarm might go before they settle down. Most of my books say not very far or some other unexact thing. I want some kind of range so I know if it is worth combating devil's club and vine maple to try and find them. If we do find them could we coax them into hive bodies by leaving some nearby with drawn comb or do we have to actually catch them? I think they might have been in a bit of a panic because about 1/2 hour before they swarmed we had started a fire in our burn barrel which was near some hive bodies with drawn comb which my husband bought a few days before and hadn't stored yet. I suspect the bees had planned to move into these hive bodies and paniced when they encountered the smoke from the fire. Any ideas? Thanks... Sonja From bconner@cybercom.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.cybercom.net!mfd-dial2-19.cybercom.net!user From: bconner@cybercom.net (Bruce Conner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for exotic honey Date: 5 Jul 1996 21:25:05 GMT Organization: Cyber Access Internet Services (617) 396-0491 Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mfd-dial2-19.cybercom.net X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 I'm located in the Boston area and I want to find some exotic honey for some test batches of mead. I would need about 3 or 4 pounds of any particular variety to start, and if the results warrant, then I would need more later. One particular variety I want to try is heather honey. Anybody out there able to help? Bruce Conner bconner@cybercom.net From gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: Gottfried Mayer-Kress Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees wanted Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 00:57:14 -0600 Organization: Center for Complex Systems Research Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31DE0E4A.6882@ccsr.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: berlin-11.slip.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Greetings, I read in the New York Times about the problems of bees in Long Island with different types of mites. In our school we plan to do some microscopy exercises and it would be nice if we could study some of the bees that were killed by these mites. If you could help us out, please send me a message per e-mail. Thanks in advance, Gottfried Mayer-Kress gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu From Executive@Executive.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.hklink.net!news.asiaonline.net!itekk From: Executive@Executive.com (Executive) Newsgroups: aus.culture.china,aus.culture.gothic,aus.culture.lesbigay,aus.culture.ultimo,fido7.culture,fj.soc.culture,fj.soc.culture.chinese,fnet.culture,nctu.club.culture-service,resif.culture,rpi.culture.indian,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.albanian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.argentina,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.assyrian,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.austria,soc.culture.baltic,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.belgium Subject: http://members.tripod.com/~suleman/resume.html Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 13:03:48 GMT Organization: Executive Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4rlo19$hp3@news.asiaonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.85.12.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12438 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4814 soc.culture.afghanistan:20349 soc.culture.african:54935 soc.culture.african.american:226173 soc.culture.albanian:4901 soc.culture.arabic:56384 soc.culture.argentina:44493 soc.culture.asean:22912 soc.culture.asian.american:136730 soc.culture.assyrian:6009 soc.culture.australian:59238 soc.culture.austria:26302 soc.culture.baltics:21463 soc.culture.bangladesh:53621 soc.culture.belgium:39375 http://members.tripod.com/~suleman/resume.html From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: 6 Jul 1996 14:56:26 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rmcsq$2op@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm sorry you have had little response. From my reading and experience you need to do this "induced supesedure" idea late in the season, just as the main flow is ending. That is last week in July or first wek in August hereabouts (South Staffs). I use masking tape as it is so easy to mould once in place. You appreciate my term in quotes above I assume. Christopher From jerryfost@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jerryfost@aol.com (JerryFost) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged Bees Date: 6 Jul 1996 15:49:30 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jerryfost@aol.com (JerryFost) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Want to start a hive, but have been having a problem locating anyone who sells packaged bees this time of year. Evidently, I have gotten started a little late this year to get my hive going. I live in Central Florida area and would appreciate any help finding a good supplier for a three (3) to five (5) pound package with a queen. I can be reached at this site. Thank you. From ajdel@interramp.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip107.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packaged Bees Date: 6 Jul 1996 21:20:10 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rmlaa$li9@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:31:12 GMT In article <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> JerryFost, jerryfost@aol.com writes: >Want to start a hive, but have been having a problem locating anyone who >sells packaged bees this time of year. At this point it would be best to contact a local beekeeper and see if he would be willing to sell you a working hive or split one of his strong hives and give you the split. It's too hot to be shipping bees, especially, I immagine, in central Fla. Good luck. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From cwynn@sawyer.ndak.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!news From: cwynn@sawyer.ndak.net (Craig Wynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can we get our swarm back? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 02:22:53 GMT Organization: ISPN Lines: 48 Message-ID: <31df193d.129822707@news> References: <4rjljl$9u5@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: srt-42.dialup.ndak.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 5 Jul 1996 18:06:45 GMT, hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) wrote: >Hello, > > Yesterday one of our hives swarmed. We were able to follow them for >about 1/4 mile and then lost them in heavey brush and woods. It is very likely that they have already moved assuming a night has gone by since they swarmed. I'd be more concerned that the hive they swarmed from isn't getting set to issue another swarm! Better be checking your literature on swam control. > I was >wondering how far a swarm might go before they settle down. It all depends on what they decide is suitable to serve has a home. Mind you they quite often make a bad choice. Variables such as weather also can play a role. If it should rain or turn cold they may setttle right down in the limb of a tree or the overhand of a roof. If the weather is not a factor they could take several flights following the route of the greatest number of returning scouts. I think it is generally a one ort two day event at the most. >Most of my >books say not very far or some other unexact thing. I want some kind of >range so I know if it is worth combating devil's club and vine maple to >try and find them. If we do find them could we coax them into hive >bodies by leaving some nearby with drawn comb or do we have to actually >catch them? I think they might have been in a bit of a panic because >about 1/2 hour before they swarmed we had started a fire in our burn >barrel which was near some hive bodies with drawn comb which my husband >bought a few days before and hadn't stored yet. I suspect the bees had >planned to move into these hive bodies and paniced when they encountered >the smoke from the fire. Any ideas? Thanks... > Sonja I'd have a spare hive box ready and set in high place near your hives. You could get lucky and they'd swarm into it. Their are various methods suggested in the literature that reduce the liklyhood of swarms. I'll leave that to you to read up on or for someone else to comment on. I use to use a large funnel made form tin that I'd hold under swarms hanging from branches. I'd snap the branch and funnel them right into a shipping box I had save. If it is possible to get close enough you can study the swam and catch the queen. You can gently probe the swam and listen for a high pitched buzz from her to locate her. I was quite successful catching many a swams in Africa using the above preceeding methods. craig From an563795@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Organization: Infinity LTD Distribution: world References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 02:47:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.15 Message-ID: <31df24f2.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 17 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns In article , Dave Black <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote: >In article <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger > writes >>Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of >>a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and >>angry neigbours >> >Good points, except the last ! If shes not clipped they go out and go >away. If she's clipped they go out, they go in. They go out, they go in. >They go out ......... :-) >-- OK. So, since the hive is going to make a new queen anyway (if none are not already on the way), why not locate the queen (surely she will be on the ground near the hive) and remove her from the swarm. They will then have no choice but to stay in the original hive. Am I right in all these assumptions? From an563795@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Re: Supplies Organization: Infinity LTD Distribution: world References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 03:04:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.15 Message-ID: <31df2906.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 12 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns In article , Dave Black wrote: >Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act >as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items >like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the >'000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. > Contact the Walter T. Kelley Co. Inc. 3107 Elizabethtown Road. P.O. Box 240 Clarkson, KY phone (502) 242-2012 fax (502) 242-4801 From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: Bill Henderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:28:30 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1996070712283069278@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.09u 10001273 In message <31df24f2.0@news.acadiacom.net> an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) writes: > why not locate the queen (surely she will be on > the ground near the hive) and remove her from the swarm There have been many occasions when I have been present as a swarm has been leaving a hive and sometimes I have managed to pick off the old (marked and clipped) queen. I had to be present at the exact time the queen was leaving. After that - little chance. Once she has left the hive surface she is gone and lost forever oh my darling Clemi......... Remember we are talking about an insect here. How are you going to find that on the ground, even only minutes, after it's started on its crawl away from the hive. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I just had a thought. You could try this out as a rough approximation to the situation. 1. Go into the garden and get yourself a beetle and put a dod of paint on its thorax in the same way as you would mark a queen. 2. Blindfold yourself. 3. Spin round a number of times and through away the beetle. 4. Spin round again. 5. Take off the blindfold and recover your balance. 6. Go find your beetle. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk From sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!news From: "Bruce A. Vance" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Great hive plans. Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:10:24 -0500 Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 14 Message-ID: <31EFC180.5852@homer.louisville.edu> References: <4sh0or$1ki@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sovanc01.remote.louisville.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) To: Francis Miquet CC: sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu Francis Miquet wrote: > > > The March-April '83 issue of Fine Woodworking (pg 86) has a great article > > on hive plans. > > I have these plans if anyone needs them. Also have good plans from > Agriculture Canada. I would like to see these hive plans. How might I obtain them? Fax? Mail? Thanks, Bruce Vance From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SUGAR PRICE FIX CASE Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <9607192122492207@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 It's sad to report that ARCHER DANIELS, one of the principal HFC corn syrup producers and purchased by the millions of pounds by many beekeepers in the US to feed their bees is suspected of price-fixing according to a news report on July 18, 1989. Under investigation by the FBI who have concluded that ARCHER DANIELS, Inc, has conspired with others to fix the price and production levels in order "to maintain a cornered world market" in several commodities, including high-fructose corn syrups used by beekeepers and others. Believe it or not a federal judge in Chicago was scheduled to conduct a hearing today, Friday, on whether to approve the $45 million settlement, in which none of the three companies involved will admit or deny any wrongdoing and for sure NO beekeeper will ever see a red cent in refunds in this life. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I am not young enough to know everything anymore From wilkhack@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating an unmarked queen Date: 20 Jul 1996 01:11:46 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4sppqi$mhj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31EE6B5B.167EB0E7@durham.ac.uk> Reply-To: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Since I've been raising my own queens (I don't mark them) have had the same problem. I've also found that unless you are going to requeen, there is really no real reson to find her. If you have a good pattern of new eggs and your brood nest is in good shape you can rest assured that she is doing her job. If you need to requeen or move you queen for some reason, then finding her is quite tedious. I raised this problem with an old beekeeper friend of mine. He said, "What, are ya blind? It's like tryin' to find a cow in a sheep herd." Well, I haven't found it that easy. I found comfort in the fact that there are few situations in which I find it necessary to find her. Write me back if you have any more specific questions. I could bore you with more answers but maybe this is enough. Goodluck, Dave From letaylor@why.net Sat Aug 3 10:29:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news2.whytel.com!usenet From: Lenny Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:44:04 -0500 Organization: Why? Network (817) 795-1765 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31F06414.3C53@why.net> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> Reply-To: letaylor@why.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.max1.dal.why.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) > What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the > last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to > bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My > other 3 colonies aren't this way. > > I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. > > Thanks, > Russ > rolsen@plains.net It is possible to develop an allergic reaction to the stings. Responses can range right up to life-threatening. You didn't mention what part of the country you live in. (Africanized bees in your area?) More info please. Take care. -- Many people surf the net; only a select few make the waves. From rolsen@plains.net Sat Aug 3 10:29:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.verinet.com!usenet From: rolsen@plains.net (Russ Olsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:58:55 GMT Organization: Verinet Communications Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.168.65.21 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I first got into beekeeping a little over a year ago, needless to say I really like it. I've learned a lot about bees and my self. I started out with 3 hives last year, two did great the third one didn't. Of the two extremely stong hives, one has always been more aggressive, and short tempered. (if you know what I mean) They just don't like me getting into the hive for more than about 10 minutes or so. A week ago I was checking up on things when this hive decided they'd had enough, and came after me. Eight of them succeded in finding me through my suit, and veil. Needless to say I closed up the hive as quickly as possible and left them alone. Another couple of dozen took over 30 minutes calm down and leave me alone. I had the usual minor swelling, redness, stiffness, itching with all the stings. 7 days later, ( just 2 days ago) I was again checking up on the hives, (I had requeened and wanted to see if they were out), once again this hot hive decided enough was enough after about 10 minutes. This time they found my ankles and quickly discovered that they could sting through my socks. Within about 20 seconds I had 10 stings on my ankles. So I closed up the hive again and left the area. Once again several dozen followed me and my wife for several hundred yards as we walked away, hoping they'd 'chill out' and leave finally about 30 minutes later we were able to take off the veils and suits and go home. This time my stings took on an entirely different form. In about 2 hours I had several places all over my body that were covered in hives. Just like a bad rash. My wife could watch them form and grow. In 3 hours my bottom lip begain to swell up. I took 3 asprin and 2 Benadryls and went to bed. The next morning, I looked like someone had worked me over with a basball bat. My eyes were swelled shut, my bottom lip was so big that I couldn't close my mouth all the way. My tounge was swelling up, my right hand was so swelled up that I couldn't grab a glass of water. My body was covered in hives. My wife was deeply concerned, and my kids were scared to death. I went to the local Clinic and the doctor prescribed a steroid shot and a Benadryl shot. Then ordered me to bed, and also told me I'd have to give up the bees. Needless to say, I'm more than disappointed. What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My other 3 colonies aren't this way. I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. Thanks, Russ rolsen@plains.net From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 20 Jul 1996 12:32:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <836945355.14858@uunet.uu.net> <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:192853 alt.agriculture.fruit:2912 alt.agriculture.misc:5584 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13651 rec.gardens:141936 sci.agriculture:12945 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4966 In article <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net>, Dave Cornejo wrote: > LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) > unmoderated group sci.agriculture.fruit > >Newsgroups line: >sci.agriculture.fruit Agricultural techniques for fruit, berries & nuts. > >Proponent: Joel Clark >Votetaker: Dave Cornejo > >RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.fruit Although this group proposal has good intentions and a good topic, not enough thought has gone into the charter and the discussion of the group was scant, at best. The proponent never entered the discussion, and suggestions were not acknowledged. For example: what is the definition of fruit? Are both tomatoes and apples (both botanically fruit) appropriate in this group's discussion? Seemingly minute, this is but one of many loose ends that this proposal never addressed. For this group to be in the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, more work is necessary in planning the charter and more input, albeit discussion, is needed. I recommend a NO vote. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:38:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4spdct$etq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 8:39:41 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rolsen@plains.net (Russ Olsen) wrote: >What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the >last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to >bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My >other 3 colonies aren't this way. >I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. >Thanks, >Russ >rolsen@plains.net Russ: Don't give up the bees. I, too, am allergic to bee stings. I've worked with my allergist to minimize the problem. First, I take a prescription anti-histamine (Seldane) about an hour before I'm going to work with my bees. Taking the benadryl AFTER the stings and the allergic reaction set in doesn't help too much. Second, every spring, I get a new prescription filled for a self-administering shot of Epinephrine, just in case a localized reaction (the hives, the swelling) turned into anaphalactic (sp?) shock. I've never had to use it. My daughter always makes sure to ask me if I've got it with me when I'm heading out to the bees--she was pretty frightened by the way I looked after some of the stings I got early on. If I do get stung, I make sure to "flick" the stinger(s) out with a fingernail as soon as possible. (Don't pinch them between two fingers to pull them out, you're only pumping more venom into your body that way.) I also high tail it away from the hives as soon as I've been stung. A scent is released when a bee stings that incites the other guard bees to attack also--I don't like to give them that chance. I smoke the spot I was stung to mask the smell before returning to the hive. Also, I'd either requeen that bad-tempered hive, or go into it as little as humanly possible. By all means, though, go see an allergist; and wear heavier socks! Janet From cud@adobe.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!chronicle.mv.us.adobe.com!enquirer.mv.us.adobe.com!news From: Chris Despopoulos Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ignorant person with Bees in his wall... Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:25:40 +0000 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 45 Message-ID: <31EE4964.7D0F@adobe.com> References: <837357114.28389.1@cisbb37.demon.co.uk> <4sbhc2$192@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lrport_19.mv.us.adobe.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) What shall I do? I certainly don't want to kill off a hive of bees. I notice there is a colony of what I think are bees coming and going from a hole where the wall meets the roof of my apartment. At least I think they are bees, but they're high enough that I can't tell by looking. (Are there some behavioral cues I might be able to use to identify these critters? Could they be hornets?) I have a newborn child, and I am concerned that the bees might come through to the inside of our bedroom. For example, if a hive can deteriorate the construction of the wall, then they might all spill into our room, mad as, well... hornets, I guess. I know there are FAQs out there, but a shallow perusal didn't turn up any entries like "What to do if you find a hive of bees in the wall of your apartment." So I'm sending out this message in a bottle. Can the structure of the wall be damaged by a hive of bees? How can I tell the difference between bees and hornets? If hornets, is there any reason NOT to exterminate? If bees, how safe are my children, should I decide not to exterminate? Note that I am aware of a shortage of bees due to mites and a virus of some kind. This being an uncontrolled hive, am I just spreading pestilence should I leave it alone? Please respond via e-mail... My address is cud@adobe.com Thank very much for your patience with an obvious outsider. I look forward to being sufficiently armed that I make informed decisions concerning this situation. Chris Despopoulos From kkachnow@keanefed.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!ari.ari.net!news-admin From: Ken K Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lop-sided hive Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:21:52 -0400 Organization: ARInternet, Corp. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31F115B0.2BFA@keanefed.com> References: <31EAFA32.3273@keanefed.com> <4shau2$76d@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kfs-18.ari.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Bill Fernihough wrote: > > You probably put the top super on too soon. You should only use one > super until most of the frames are being used by the bees, then when > say, 8 out of 10 of the frames are in use, put on another super. Good > practice all the way through unless there is a honey flow on, and you > have lots of bees. > Bees need it warm, heat rises, so using supers above existing ones is a > natural effect. But when you have forced them to spread out, there are > more bees, more heat, and both boxes will be evenly built. Thanks for the information. I put both supers on when I hived the package. I will know better next time. Next question. Is the lop-sided hive going to have a problem surviving the winter here in Maryland and is there anything I can/should do about it? Thanks, Ken From snoflo@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Kathy Weise Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:19:17 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <31F13135.318@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw-tx18-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 20 10:21:19 AM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) We are looking for an inexpensive extractor. Even a two frame hand crank would work. If someone has a used one they'd like to sell, let me know. From gkendall@shell.wco.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hsno.wco.com!news.wco.com!shell!gkendall From: gkendall@shell.wco.com (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggest a good beekeeping book Date: 20 Jul 1996 19:33:01 GMT Organization: West Coast Online, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4src9d$iv8@news.wco.com> References: <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com "Begin To Keep Bees" by Franklin Carrier. Get it from Carrier's Beekeeping Supplies, 601 S. Baywood Ave, San Jose, CA 95128 408/296-6100. It is the best I've ever read. In article <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> Ken K writes: >Can anyone suggest a good beekeeping book for a novice? > >Thanks, > >Ken k From Karel.Bokhorst@tip.nl Sat Aug 3 10:29:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.tip.nl!news From: Karel.Bokhorst@tip.nl (Karel Bokhorst) Subject: RE: dutch newsgroup X-Nntp-Posting-Host: almere23.pop.tip.nl Message-ID: <7288618677@news.tip.nl> Sender: news@tip.nl (The News User) Organization: tip.nl X-Newsreader: NewsAgent version 1.0.0 References: <31EFAE53.1B86@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:49:29 GMT Lines: 2 natuurlijk, karel.bokhorst@tip.nl From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Western Bee Supplies Inc. Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:23:17 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ss7r5$ago@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Last week I ordered some supplies from Western Bee Supplies Inc. I have to pass on there phone number and address, because I was very impressed with their service and prices. Western Bee Supplies, Inc. PO Box 190 Polson, MT 59860 (800)548-8440 -- Out of state order line (406)883-2918 -- In state and Canada (406)883-4336 -- Fax I am not affliated with them in any way other than a customer, but I'd appreciate it if you'd tell them I sent you. Thanks, Paul From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Miller Wood Products???? Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:28:50 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ss85i$ago@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I'm planning on buying a bunch of new equipment for the coming 1997 honey season. Does anyone have any experiece with the product quality available >from Miller Wood Products? Please let me know: The grade you ordered What defects you experienced The quality of the customer service. I appreciate all responses. Thanks, Paul From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: 21 Jul 1996 05:02:16 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line215.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net X-URL: news:4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net You might want to contact Hohann Popodi at hpopodi@awinc.com who sells a device for applying formic acid.I have just order three of them. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 14:56:56 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4stggp$b4t@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp31.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net>, Bill Fernihough wrote: >You might want to contact Hohann Popodi at hpopodi@awinc.com who sells a >device for applying formic acid.I have just order three of them. There are many simple and inexpensive methods of applying formic acid that are approved and recommended by various reputable Canadian researchers and experts and have been widely used in both commecial and hobbyist practice over several years. So far, I do not believe that the device mentioned above has been -- as of yet -- evaluated and approved by any provincial authority. (Please correct me if I am wrong.) There have been some objections to some claims that have been made by the promoter and also the fact that it uses *concentrated* formic, rather than the more dilute form that has come to be accepted as more safe for humans and bees and which -- according to my understanding --is the only legal form for use on bees in Canada. The most accepted current Canadian commercial practice is to use meat tray soakers called 'Mite Wipes (r)', which are identical -- as far as I can see -- to the ones you can get from your local butcher and which commercial producers buy by the case from the local paper goods wholesaler. The various methods of appying formic that are recommended in Canada have been discussed in detail on BEE-L. the bee list which can be reached at BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. (To subscribe, send a message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying only Subscribe Your Name). Once subscribed, you can search the logs at the listserv. Without subscribing, you can find the older logs at the website in my signature (below). I'm sorry, but I can't recall the exact month of the discussion. I believe it was this spring. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From NBNF29A@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NBNF29A@prodigy.com (Elizabeth Tubbs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help identify please Date: 21 Jul 1996 15:05:44 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Yesterday while mowing field my husband was attacked and stung a lot by the bees that we can not identify . He did not disturb them but only went by where they were and he did not know where they were till after this happened , well any way they built their nest so to speak in a bluebird house and the only thing in there were thes corn puff things maybe they were eggs and these grubs and one very large grub, if it was a future queen it was huge. I know what hornets look like and yellow jackets and these bees were not them we are in Maryland , USA and could they be the African I had not heard about them in the area yet. they look like a honey bee but colored like a bumble bee but they were not a bumble bee either any help appreciated we did keep some in a plastic bag in the freezer. Elizabeth From ubatuba@digicolor.lognet.it Sat Aug 3 10:29:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!usenet From: Marco Pellini Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: holstein bulls Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:25:41 +0200 Organization: student Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31F26815.361C@digicolor.lognet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.184.21.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I need information about the following bulls: Hannoverhill starbuck Pen-col Potential Rusty Cyppress-Hill Laban To-Mar Blackstar and their sons: Balance Laboe Lasso Rudi Porter Belt Thank you , MARCO From bbirkey@interaccess.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: holstein bulls Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:51:17 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31F27C25.20F2@interaccess.com> References: <31F26815.361C@digicolor.lognet.it> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d114.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Marco Pellini Marco Pellini wrote: > > I need information about the following bulls: > Hannoverhill starbuck > Pen-col Potential > Rusty > Cyppress-Hill Laban > To-Mar Blackstar > > and their sons: > Balance > Laboe > Lasso > Rudi > Porter > Belt > > Thank you , > MARCO Marco - Why are you posting this in a beekeeping newsgroup? This group is about beekeeping not beefkeeping! -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From beeman@netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!uchinews!cbgw2.att.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (beeman at esoteric services) Subject: Re: Miller Wood Products???? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4ss85i$ago@nadine.teleport.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:34:55 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: beeman@netcom12.netcom.com Paul Cauthorn (pbc@teleport.com) wrote: : I'm planning on buying a bunch of new equipment for the coming 1997 honey : season. Does anyone have any experiece with the product quality available : from Miller Wood Products? : Please let me know: : The grade you ordered : What defects you experienced : The quality of the customer service. : I appreciate all responses. : Thanks, : Paul My first and only order to miller was for about$600.oo ( about 1 pallet ) it was ordered in plenty of time for spring honey flow. then their recommended trucking company decided to go on strike, so I thought I'd be patient. then the trucking co. lost my load for a while (CF) by the time I received my hive bodies it was too late for spring. When the pallet was finally received and opened, I discovered that the most of the hives had no handles cut into them (at the time I thought: no big deal I was just happy to have my hives) then I discovered that the rabbit on the hives was cut too short, and that none of the frames (also ordered from miller) would fit. letters and phone calls to miller were nothing more than a let down, they offered to send cleats for the handles, but I would have to pay the freight to send them back for re-cutting of the rabbits, (almost $200.00 there and back) if the rabbits were cut any deeper it would leave little more than an 1\8 inch sidewall (not much tolerance for rotting corners) to make a long story short, I wrote it off as a loss and would not do business with them again. the thing that burns me up is that they still have the nerve to send me catalogs. I won't be ordering any spotted owl grade kindeling from Oregon any time soon. ----beeman From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggest a good beekeeping book Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:29:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4sub0j$mr0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> <4src9d$iv8@news.wco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf >In article <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> Ken K writes: >>Can anyone suggest a good beekeeping book for a novice? The best one, and the most useful for all beekeeping applications is: _The Beekeepers Handbook_, 1986. Sammataro, Diana, and Avitabile, Alphonse, Macmillan, New York, ISBN:0-02-081410-0. This book is out of print, but a new edition is due out soon. Most libraries have it though. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:29:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is swarming bad? Date: 15 Jul 1996 16:33:00 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4sdrrs$o8i@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4sd9kt$kdg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin035.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Swarming is not bad. But it makes a lot of work, trouble, makes your hives weak, and costs honey. And it is not the way of responsible beekeeping for many reasons. Problem 1: I don´t know how the situation is in your country. In Germany swarms have the problem to find suitable cavities to built up a stable society and give them the chance to hibernate successfully. Most swarms will die in fall and winter because they didn´t found a good, save and warm homeplace. Others are not welcome at the places they found by the people who live there. They are often killed by crob-busters. Result: I think a good beekeeper is responsible for his bees, their health, and their chance to survive! A swarm has no chance. Problem 2: Wild honeybee collonies are treatened by the Varroa mite like cultivated collonies. A good beekeeper is able to control the number of mites in a hive and make sure that his collonies survive with the mites. Wild collonies wiped out after 2 or 3 years by the Varroa. Result: See above! Problem 3: Wild honeybees are not under control in aspects of Varroa They are hotspots for reinvasion of mites (and other diseases) in health collonies, especially if they become weak and victims of stronger collonies (bees like to steal honey from other collonies, and they bring the honey, mites and other deseases to their own hive). Result: Wild bees may cause trouble for beekeepers nearby by Varroa etc.. Problem 4: Queen rearing. In areas with a dense population (like in Germany) it is important to have peacefull bees. Beekeepers select their best, calm hives for queen reproduction. But every queen is mated by several drones (males) and this is out of direct control (eccept artif. mating by the beekeeper). The only chance is a population with good attitudes for mating (huge number of good drones) of good queens, basic for good hives. Result: Wild bees can make trouble because there is no selection in important points. Problem 5: Varroa resistant bees. This may a good view on wild bees. Here the selsction supports collonies with good Varroa tolerance, because nobody help them to fight the mites. Our chance to get a varroa resistance bee in future? Final Result: I think that intentional swarming to increase the number of wild honeybees is not the way of responsible, professional beekeeping for many reasons. If you are only interested in pollination, you should think about cultivation of bumblebees, this means to give them the chance to start a society in spring by supporting the queens with breeding locations, or help the solitary bees to breed. This is still a way to pollinate cultures in glass houses (in the Netherlands for example). With best regards ulli hoeger From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:29:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and artifical light (fluorescent tubes) Date: 18 Jul 1996 17:14:53 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4slred$gu3@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4sj003$3c3@Trex.IenD.wau.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin014.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Anton.deSnaijer@studenten.tbpt.wau.nl Hi, Some years ago I participate in a university course of bee-science at the institute for bee research of our university. This event took place in winter, and we worked in a free-fly room. If I remember right, they use fluorescent tubes (we call such light sources Neon-tubes in Germany) to illuminate the room. But I think they had some electronics to compensate the 50 Hz of the AC power-net. The walls and the ceiling of these room were coated with alu-foil (the stuff is also used to keep food fresh or on barbecues). The light in this room had a gentle blue colour. I don´t remember the reasons for this, but you may ask the people of these institute. I will send you e-mail addresses of them. Good luck Ulli Hoeger From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:29:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:04:03 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7HXk9DADx38xEwLW@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com>, Russ Olsen writes > >What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the >last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to >bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My >other 3 colonies aren't this way. > You've had some good advice from others in the group about your reaction, ie. yes it's unusual, it could be a drug interaction or that you're becoming sensitive and that it can be/should be treated. I'm told you need 10 to 15 stings a year before you become tolerant, but you need professional advice not more stings ! About the colony though. There are many reasons why some bees are more 'defensive' than others, some you will be able to discount because your other colonies ( in the same apiary presumably) are OK. One you may not have considered is the state of the boxes, by which I mean are they bee- tight. I have seen colonies suddenly become hot because the roof and supers weren't on right and they had to defend lots of larger entrances. Really nasty ones are unusual, and far outnumbered by really nasty beekeepers. To try and correct the problem I would requeen straight away ( :-) pint of petrol also works !). Keeping a short tempered colony might be heroic but is not fun. The most attractive way, but only if you have a nectar flow, is to move in a small good colony (small entrance) and put it next door. A day or so later, in the middle of the day, move the bad lot away. The flyers will unite onto your new queen leaving the colony reduced and with just young bees. Then go in, find and destroy the other queen and unite them on as well. This way you don't have to handle the bad temper. If you don't have a flow you need another plan. However you decide to requeen, as a precaution cage your new queen and delay her release untill after uniting and things have calmed down. They're expensive after all. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From nobody@ncsu.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel-eecis!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: MAIN Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CANADIAN bees & formic acid Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:58:35 -0400 Organization: NCS Lines: 139 Message-ID: <31F2A80B.25CE@ncsu.edu> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rm319.asci.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) CC: nobody@.ncsu.edu > > Subject: FORMIC ACID > ================== I posted this to alt.sustainable.agriculture yesterday. I think ya'll may find this interesting/informative. GML wrote: > > There has been a lot of news about the demise of wild bees and the > decimation of domestic hives. Some say that there is no real problem, > merely a temporary "shortage" and that this is all a political > smokescreen by the beekepers association because Uncle Sugar is cutting > funding everywhere. Others say that "we" are in big trouble and that a > minimum of 200 species of plants, shrubs and trees will be dying or > extinct within two years. > I'm strictly an amateur, not even a farmer. Could someone with > credentials cut through the B.S. and tell me what is going on? I > apologize if this is "old news". ================== The decline of American / European honeybees is not old news. I agree w/ "Pollinator" that pesticide application is by far a larger over-all threat, but the mite infestation going right now is a very serious short-term threat. The only saving grace for the U.S. is that once the mite infestation blows over on this continent, we will one day be able to purchase new bees & restock from the rest of the world ... but it looks like it will be strictly at the expense of beekeepers. Your assessment of Uncle Sugar is pretty much on the mark ... there is too much if that attitude in D.C. that refuses to acknowledge we are facing very serious environmental problems that have never existed before, but since they don't have experience (or scientific edjukashun), obviously there is no need to fix anything ... it will just continue to run "the way it always has, back in the good old days." Anyway, here's a news article off the 'Net today I think all beekeepers should be aware of : =================================== For bees, Canada is a land of milk and honey compared to U.S. Copyright (c) 1996 Nando.net, Copyright (c) 1996 Toronto Globe and Mail (Jul 20, 1996 00:00 a.m. EDT) -- It's been a terrible year for honeybees in the United States, with cold and disease wiping out more than 80 percent of hives in some northeastern states, but Canada seems to be the bee's version of a peaceable kingdom. Even with winter conditions in many parts of the country similar to those in the United States, hive deaths in Canada are estimated by Gard Otis, a professor of apiculture at the University of Guelph, to be no more than one-third of those south of the border -- a bad year in Canada but not as bad as it might have been. There are three reasons for Canada's relatively bee-healthy status. The first is a ban on the import of honeybees from the United States, which began 10 years ago when outbreaks of the European tracheal mite and then the varroa mite were first identified. The tracheal mite takes up residence in the bees' breathing tubes, sucks up fluids and in so doing restricts oxygen intake. Affected bees are particularly susceptible to early death during the winter when they try to increase their metabolic rate in order to heat their hives. The varroa mites colonize bee larvae and later older bees. Viruses the mites carry produce birth defects -- for example, no wings or legs -- in the larvae. Left untreated, the mites can kill a hive in about a year. The Canadian quarantine means that while most bees in the United States are infected, Otis estimated that fewer than half of Canadian hives are afflicted with the deadly mites. Before the ban there was free movement across the border by beekeepers bringing hives in to pollinate crops, as well as a regular trade in queen bees raised in the U.S. South. Although the ban has slowed the mite infection rate, wild bees have spread the parasites into Canada. A second reason Canadian bees fared better has to do with mite treatments available in Canada that can't be used in the United States. In particular, formic acid, the substance that gives a crushed ant its peculiarly sharp smell, can be used in Canadian hives. Research has shown that when it is imbedded into a strip and put in a hive, it will kill mites but not bees. Douglas McRory, the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture's provincial apiarist, said Canadian research indicates that formic acid can reduce mite infestations by 95 percent, bringing mite populations to levels low enough that they don't have a significant effect on honey production. "If we don't treat the bees, we won't have bees," McRory said. One stumbling block Canadian beekeepers have surmounted is that formic acid in too high a concentration acts as an alarm pheromone. Agitated bees respond by mobbing and killing their queens. However, in lower dosages, formic acid kills only mites. Despite formic acid's effectiveness, and even though it's a natural substance found at low levels in honey, the treatment hasn't passed U.S. regulatory muster. "It's really something for us to be ahead of the Americans," McRory said. There are mite-killing pesticides on the U.S. market, but there's some indication that the mites are developing a resistance to them. Early evidence suggests resistance will not be a problem with formic acid because above a certain dose it kills all mites. The final piece in the relatively rosy Canadian part of the puzzle is the breeding of mite-resistant bees. From bees originally imported from Buckfast Abbey in England, Medhat Nasr and his associates at the Ontario Beekeepers Association have bred a strain that combines resistance to the tracheal mite with an ability to tolerate Canadian winters. Recent studies suggest that no mites, or only a few, develop in colonies of the Buckfast Ontario bees. The bee's resistance is related to the mite's life cycle. It infects bees in the first five days of their lives, using smell cues to identify potential targets. "What we have developed is bees that, while they are still young, smell like an older bee," Nasr said. A field trial that pitted 32 Buckfast Ontario hives against eight unprotected hives showed that mites killed only one of the Buckfast hives compared with six of the others. The specially bred bees are being sold in parts of Ontario. A breeding program is also under way at the University of Guelph in another effort to come up with a bee resistant to the varroa mite. One promising line of research is an attempt to breed bees for hygienic behavior -- bees that recognize when larvae have been infected and in response take them out of the hive and destroy them. Combining both mite-resistant genetic characteristics in a single bee "would be the Holy Grail," McRory said. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!paladin.american.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grooming behavior Date: 22 Jul 1996 18:32:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4t0hf8$ot0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Paul Petty wrote: >While inspecting one of my hives yesterday, I saw something I've never noticed >before. On the landing board were a couple of bees. One seemed to be >grooming the other. Hi. I have observed this too. In observation hives as well--inside. Keep an eye out on this hive--maybe the grooming behavior is a *positive* sign, that these bees are grooming each other for varroa mites? Who knows. I don't think there is anything wrong with a hive showing this, no cause for alarm. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:13:50 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31F3B6CE.237C@aiag.enet.dec.com> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.ogo.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) To: Russ Olsen CC: Jim Moore First be careful and sure you are not developing an allergic reaction as the next time it could be much worse. Secondly, get an epi-pen asap and have it handy and know how to use it. Third, make sure until you are sure you are not allergic to have someone with you, when dealing with the bees, in case you get stung and you go into shock. One possible explanation for a cranky hive is that it is being antagonized by some varmint (skunk, opossum, racoon, bear). Is it on the end of a group? The last hive in a line is usually the target of an animal. Have you noticed the grass around the hive being flattened? Are there scratches on the hive or landing board? I had a hive that was being bothered by a possum and it had a very cranky disposition. It took a couple of weeks to become less so after deterring the possum with some set mouse traps wired to the groud around the hives. Good luck and be careful. From paulp@ims.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help identify please Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:55:24 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NBNF29A@prodigy.com (Elizabeth Tubbs) writes: >Yesterday while mowing field my husband was attacked and stung a lot by >the bees that we can not identify . He did not disturb them but only went >by where they were and he did not know where they were till after this >happened , well any way they built their nest so to speak in a bluebird >house and the only thing in there were thes corn puff things maybe they >were eggs and these grubs and one very large grub, if it was a future >queen it was huge. >I know what hornets look like and yellow jackets and these bees were not >them we are in Maryland , USA and could they be the African I had not >heard about them in the area yet. >they