(264) Fri 16 Dec 94 21:02 By: Keith Sippy To: Ken Jones Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:283/121.0 2ef246ba KJ> Don't know if it is really fixed, I seem to be getting KJ> reply traffic that I never saw the orignal message. KJ> Like the Mole message Lots of replys pass through here KJ> but I never saw the one that started it. I've seen the same thing. I don't think it is completely fixed. And it is hard to pin down. Keith --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Aardvark's Aquarium -- We all live in one fishbowl. (1:283/121) @PATH: 283/121 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (266) Tue 20 Dec 94 12:29 By: Robby Crownover To: Ken Kuzenski Re: This Old Crawlspace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.456 2ef6ce57 @REPLY: 1:3641/1.1@fidonet 4bed0b66 Hello Ken! What part of Holland are you from? 17 Dec 94 08:26, Ken Kuzenski wrote to All: KK> I could use advice on a problem that's worrying my wife. KK> We live in Raleigh, NC, in a brick-and-wood rental house KK> above a dirt crawlspace holding the furnace & water heater. I saw one like that once. ;-) KK> The house is on the damp side; my wife has been told by a KK> couple of people who may or may not know what they're talking KK> about that we can keep the house drier by putting down KK> plastic sheeting or other barrier material in the crawlspace. They know what they are talking about. Run, do not walk, to the nearest hardware warehouse and buy enough plastic sheeting to cover the dirt under the crawlspace. Get the heavy stuff so that you won't tear it up while you crawl over it. Then get thee (and any available-but-unfortunate friends) hence unto thy hands and knees and spread it out under your house, making sure you cover all the dirt and that the edges overlap at least a few inches. The more the overlap, the less you'll have to worry about it becoming dislodged while you are working. KK> Anybody know about this? Experiences? Drawbacks? TIA. 1) Get your prince-of-a-landlord to pay for the plastic. Tell him it will save him from replacing the plush carpeting (!), the floor joists, and his rentors. 2) During the cold weather, keep one of your crawlspace vents open, preferably one near the furnace and not near any plumbing. Close the other vents unless you are willing to pay the extra money it will cost you for heating your cold floor. Leaving all the vents open initially *will* help dry out the crawlspace, if you are willing to pay the price. 3) Come spring, open all the vents. 4) Try to divert any rainwater away from the house. This includes water from gutters and downspouts (if any). 5) Make sure you don't have any other sources of moisture (leaking pipes, bathtub, guacamole, etc.) that exacerbate the problem. The plastic itself will likely be the single most effective measure. Robby --- GoldED 2.41+ * Origin: = I thought *you* were the expert on this subject. = (1:3641/1.456) @PATH: 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (276) Sat 17 Dec 94 17:28 By: Jo Meyers To: Jesse Tharin Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Thanks for the response. I hope you and yours have a happy holiday. BTW what do you like to grow? Jo --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (277) Sat 17 Dec 94 5:11 By: Pat Stockett To: Karin Brewer Re: cactuses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 877B62DA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 Hi Karin! KB> Ah! Fancy meeting you here... I'm glad that you're back KB>to getting messages here as well. You'd no sooner mentioned it in net that a packet appeared. :-) KB> Maybe I need to move mine to the kitchen window and see KB>whether that does anything for them. I got them on the roofed-over KB>porch just now, but that's not very good light there. Mine doesn't get much real sun. In the summer they hang from tree branches in heavy shade. I think where they normally come from they grow on trees. In any case, they bloom the following year on only the new straps. I've wondered if they need the cool nights the way the Christmas and Thanksgiving cactus do. The big ones bloom twice a year for me, once in the spring and again in late fall to early winter. KB> I wonder who I can evict from the kitchen window? The African KB>violets have got to stay (there's thirteen of them blooming just now), KB>and my one Christmas cactus, after vegetating for two years, has KB>decided to live up to its name after all, so that too has got to KB>stay, else it's likely to drop its buds. Maybe the coleus or the KB>chives. Steve put hooks in the ceilings for me back a little from the windows. I can put a hanging plant behind the window that way. Actually, it's not safe to put anything right on the window sill in my kitchen. It faces to the north east and the winter storms hit them full force. KB> What other houseplants do you do, aside from the orchid cactuses? I've brought all of my plants into the house this year. The greenhouse just couldn't be kept warm last year and then with the storm damage I lost quite a few things. I don't want to take the chance that it will repeat again. So all of my cymbidiums (18?) are in, a bird of paradise, assorted spider plants and a couple of monster Boston ferns. I'm sure there's more stuck in there. How about you? Do you have plants all over too. TTYS -Pat * SLMR 2.1a * New Jersey, The Garden State. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (279) Thu 15 Dec 94 23:37 By: Ken Jones To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Jesse, > I'm here in Montgomery, Alabama and we have just started > receiving > this echo. I'm real excited about it but I'm not sure if my messages are > making it on to the echo. Would you please send me a Hello to see if I'm > getting on ok? Thanks Jo You made it to Keller Texas. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (281) Sat 17 Dec 94 12:20 By: Liz Schroeder To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 877C00BA @PID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h [Eval] JM>Hi Jesse, JM> I'm here in Montgomery, Alabama and we have just started receiving JM>this echo. I'm real excited about it but I'm not sure if my messages are JM>making it on to the echo. Would you please send me a Hello to see if I'm JM>getting on ok? Thanks Jo JM>--- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) JM> * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) Season's Greetings from the middle of the Ozarks, Yellville, AR. -=Liz=- * SLMR 2.1a * Middle of the roaders get run over by both sides. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (282) Sat 17 Dec 94 17:58 By: Cal Clift To: Dennis Garringer Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 877C00BB @PID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h [Eval] In a message dated 12-15-94 DENNIS GARRINGER wrote to DOREEN CLANCY: DC> One thing I notice is that my furnace seems to cut in and out a lot DC> more frequently then other people's. But my heating bill seems to be DC> about DG> If yours is like mine you have a "Swing" setting. This is the number DG> of degrees in either direction that it has to change to actibvate the Ciao, Hi Dennis and Doreen, I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea about the thermostat, but that setting is called the "heat anticipator". It is measured in tenths of amps. Your thermostat has a little electric heater in it that anticipates the heat that will be driven out of your duct work after the burner is turned off by the thermostat, but before the fan cycles off on its heat switch. The heat anticipator should be set at the amp draw of the rest of your 24 volt control system. If the heat anticipator is set too low ( too far toward the smallest numbers) the temperature will swing too far in your house, (say from 7 or 8 degrees), if it is set on too high a number, the furnace will go off and on rapidly. A good rule of thumb it to look at your gas valve, ( the electric valve right before the burners in the furnace) and it will have a number on like .35 Amp. You can then set your heat anticipator in the thermostat to .35. I came along late in this thread but I hope this helps you, if not just ignore it (-: Cal CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (284) Sun 18 Dec 94 7:29 By: Ken Kuzenski To: Robby Crownover Re: This Old Crawlspace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.1@fidonet 4bf9b3ba @REPLY: 1:3641/1.456 2ef6ce57 on , Robby Crownover to Ken Kuzenski said: KK>> talking about that we can keep the house drier by putting KK>> down plastic sheeting or other barrier material in the crawlspace. RC> They know what they are talking about. Run, do not walk, to the RC> nearest hardware warehouse and buy enough plastic sheeting to Thanks, Robby! I knew there'd be an expert on some echo ... :-) RC> cover the dirt under the crawlspace. Get the heavy stuff so RC> that you won't tear it up while you crawl over it. Then get thee RC> (and any available-but-unfortunate friends) Hmmm ... Did I mention that I've got a new batch of that porter that'll be drinkable in 2 weeks? RC> 1) Get your prince-of-a-landlord to pay for the plastic. Tell RC> him it will save him from replacing the plush carpeting (!), the RC> floor joists, and his rentors. The landlord? *Paying* for something? It is to laugh! RC> 5) Make sure you don't have any other sources of moisture RC> (leaking pipes, bathtub, guacamole, etc.) that exacerbate the RC> problem. But it's AUTHENTIC guacamole! RC> The plastic itself will likely be the single most effective Many thanks--opsy hopsy! --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-4542 (1:3641/1.1) @PATH: 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (286) Fri 16 Dec 94 14:15 By: Richard Rose To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef20f13 NC> Today I have a question for next year. I am looking for suggestions NC> for plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be Seed catalogs are a good place to get ideas. NC> suggestion for a plant to try out drop a line describeing it. I would NC> like some reds, yellows, pinks ect.. I would also prefer ones where I How about a bit more info. Light, soil type, height preferences, etc. I can help with lots of ideas, but to help keep the postings smaller, it would help to narrow this down. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (287) Fri 16 Dec 94 21:33 By: Wes Leatherock To: Dennis Garringer Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/3101.0 877B1ABA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 93-0212 -=> Quoting Dennis Garringer to Doreen Clancy <=- DG> If yours is like mine you have a "Swing" setting. This is the number DG> of degrees in either direction that it has to change to actibvate the DG> thermostat. I have played with mine and 2 or 3 degrees swing seems to DG> work best. I think the old round stats are about 5 degree swing. What kind of thermostat do you have? Many years ago thermostats were strictly metallic contacts and you could screw the adjusting screw to adjust the swing. (I usually like around 1/2 degree, if you could get it that close; the human body is one of the things most sensitive to temperature and can easily detect a one-degree difference.) But since they went to mercury switches I haven't seen one you could adjust. I'd like to get one. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: (1:147/3101.0) @PATH: 147/3101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (291) Sun 18 Dec 94 19:48 By: Jesse Tharin To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54932fa6 > BTW what do you like to grow? Anything that can be eaten six different ways raw and six cooked. My family has the weirdest assortment of appetites and tastes you can imagine. F'rinstance, take snap peas (the only thing growing right now aside from some seriously blitzed tomatoes): one likes them raw alone, one raw in salads, one steamed, one fried. I serve 'em in a rotating "take it or leave it" mode. Corn doesn't grow well here except early in the season. It wilts in the sun no matter how well you water, and I've had lots of trouble with any of the squashes, including cukes and pumpkins. Legumes, any of the tomato family and melons all grow fast and healthy enough to hurt you if you don't move out of the way fast enough. All of the leafy stuff grows well in the spring. We also grow ants, horned toads, killer sparrows that eat anything, and incredibly reactionary politicians. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Prologue - Tucson Arizona - 602.322.8014 - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (295) Sun 18 Dec 94 12:52 By: Bill Mason To: Richard Rose Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake Richard Rose unto Bill Mason on the day of 14 Dec 94 10:22:18 RR> It sounds to me like a posting of echo rules would be a good thing to RR> do at this point. Is this echo relatively new? Our bbs just started RR> getting it. Well, I'm not sure, but it has the same tag name as an echo that was taken off the backbone over a month ago by a moderator (Bob Germer) who took all his echos off because they were gated to Internet newsgroups, and he was having trouble with FIDO people who didn't know better posting high ASCII characters, especially ones generated by their offline mailers in the ID lines. It got so people were complaining about there being at least one copy of the long, harshly pedantic form letter warning people they had better not post hi-order characters again posted publicly to someone with each mail packet in this echo. After the messages dried up, I kept this area configured to receive it, though, since I got a netmail from someone who was trying to establish an alternative Home & Garden echo that could be backboned once again, which led to my curiosity as to what exactly happened once we started receiving it again! --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (296) Sun 18 Dec 94 22:13 By: Keith Sippy To: Richard Rose Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:283/121.0 2ef4fa4a @REPLY: 1:2245/101.0 2eef2f2a KS> This year I planted a number of roses. I've protected them by piling KS> up soil around them. However, it will be a bother to remove it in the KS> spring. Any other ideas? RR> About the only way to make it easier is to move south. Not too bad of an idea. :) I get tired of the cold and snow. And really start wanting spring to come around February. RR> * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & I think you must live somewhat near to where my dad grew up. Jim Falls, WI. Just a bit NE of Eau Claire. At least down here in IA we don't get quite as cold or as much snow... Keith --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Aardvark's Aquarium -- We all live in one fishbowl. (1:283/121) @PATH: 283/121 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (298) Sun 18 Dec 94 16:24 By: Alan Hess To: Bluedog Re: Re: paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000 4bfe9cbe @REPLY: 1:278/304.0 2ef3ff44 In a missive of Bluedog (1:278/304) writes to Alan Hess: B> I am currently growing 5 of them here in upstate NY (south of you Nooo, I don't think so. :-) Last I looked, Maryland was south of you. B> here. I located some sources that specialized in northeast B> climates and the one that seemed the best is John H. Gordon, B> 1385 Campbell Blvd., Amherst, NY 14228-1404, Tel: (716) B> 691-9371. I must warn you that he doesn't have large B> specimens, they are grafted and are about 3/8" in diameter and B> 2 feet high at the most. Perhaps he has larger ones but at the I suppose I could check out some local garden centers. I just wanted some info on adult size of the plants, ease of care, and the like. Thanks. *adh* --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Nerve Center: Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (299) Sun 18 Dec 94 20:50 By: Gary Faucett To: All Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:124/5125.0 2ef5037d I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? --- Blue Wave/Max v2.10 [NR] * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * V34/VFC/H16/V32t/V32b/FAX (1:124/5125) @PATH: 124/5125 5117 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (305) Sun 18 Dec 94 3:33 By: Bluedog To: Alan Hess Re: Re: paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:278/304.0 2ef3ff44 -=> Quoting Alan Hess to all <=- AH> Has anyone grown paw-paws? How large do the trees/bushes get? I AH> know two are needed for pollination, so, if they're too large, I don't AH> have space to try them. *adh* Hello Alan, I am currently growing 5 of them here in upstate NY (south of you I believe) but they are somewhat tricky and don't grow as fast as I would like. Don't buy the specimens from the mail order commercial places as they sent ones that never seemed to work here. I located some sources that specialized in northeast climates and the one that seemed the best is John H. Gordon, 1385 Campbell Blvd., Amherst, NY 14228-1404, Tel: (716) 691-9371. I must warn you that he doesn't have large specimens, they are grafted and are about 3/8" in diameter and 2 feet high at the most. Perhaps he has larger ones but at the time I purchased mine they were rather small. Also I have mine in a location that I am not happy with and in the spring am going to move them so that, hopefully, they will grow better. I also purchased persimmons and many nut trees from him which are in a better location and doing very well. Hope this helps. ttyl. /* Phil */ --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) @PATH: 278/304 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (320) Sat 17 Dec 94 15:39 By: Ted Christensen To: Sharon Moore Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/15.0 2ef34c64 @REPLY: 1:264/1015.0 8778E784 Sharon Moore asks SM >When is a good time to start planning and digging a pool? Anytime - the sooner the better - is time to start planning. It sure helps to have it clear in your mind exactly what you want to do before you start digging. Digging? Depends on your weather and your soil. Here our soil will be frozen solid for several feet down until April. In Virginia you may be able to dig through the winter. The other thing is mud. My soil is sandy so it's no problem. If you have clay and wet seasonal weather it could be difficult, and messy. It's nice to have everything ready and the pool filled as soon a possible. BTW, fill the pool with water as soon as you can get the liner in. The weight of the water keeps the soil from collapsing. Dig the walls as straight up and down as you can. I'd try for a slope of 6 to 8 inches in two feet of depth if your soil will stand up. The liner is less visible with steep walls. Give enough thought to finishing off the edges. I like to dig a ledge 5 or 6 inches deep and wide all around the pool. The liner goes against the soil and small stones or bricks go on the ledge over the liner. This keeps plastic from showing at the waterline and also protects it from sunlight. It's easier to do this after the pool is filled almost up to the ledge. Then filling won't shift the liner and dislodge everything. If you are using fieldstone slabs or paving stones around the pool they can rest on the this ledge of stones and stick over the water for a couple of inches. Another idea is to lay sod over the stones. It sounds like you are going to have a lot of fun with your pool. Keep me posted. Feel free to ask me anything else about water gardening. Good gardening! Ted --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: The International 6+Gig Saskatoon,Sk.CANADA(306)384-7685 (1:140/15) @PATH: 140/15 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (321) Sat 17 Dec 94 21:26 By: Roseanne Brown To: Gary Gilmore Re: Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:138/239.0 877D0BFA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 93-1157 -=> Quoting Gary Gilmore to John Clary <=- JC> I'd recommend getting a good book on planning your JC> landscape. GG> Any to suggest that don't cost as much as the landscaping? :-) Check the Library! Most places you can check out a book for up to a month, which will give you time to decide if the book is worth going out and buying or not. Also check with your local nurseries, they can tell you which plants do well where. Get some graph paper and a pencil and play around with ideas, keeping in mind the size of plants when fully grown. Another thing you might try is a shareware store that might have gardening programs that will help lay out your yard and or keep track of the types of plants and the care they need. RoseanneBrown@rook.wa.com ... ...how does your garden grow? With lots of cow and chicken poo poo. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: Knight-Line! (1:138/239.0) @PATH: 138/239 173 1 103 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (327) Sat 17 Dec 94 9:02 By: Bruce Bosdet To: *ALL* Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/710.3 e310c1b0 The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about 4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or thicker), and the exact colour of the tomato vine. The caterpillers apparently ate leaves and the tops of the fruit. Only 2 caterpillers resulted in extensive devastation! Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? Many thanks, Bruce ... ...I know just enough to be dangerous. --- PPoint 1.86 * Origin: Digital Encounters, Kamloops, B.C. Canad (1:353/710.3) @PATH: 353/710 719 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (328) Mon 19 Dec 94 8:18 By: Danny Williams To: Matthew Nack Re: Re: Generator Info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: SX4.02B03 BT035 @MSGID: 1:137/2 9b61640c @REPLY: 1:2606/416 87752A3D MN> Does anyone use a backup generator when they loose the power in MN> their home? I'm considering to invest in one and I'd like MN> info on how to determine what type (i.e. power,size etc.) I MN> would need without going over board. MN> Any input would be greatly appreciated. Read the labels on whatever appliances you intend to run. Figure 3X that value for startup and use the listed value for continuous running. For example, your 600watt refrigerator will pull 1800watts every time it kicks on, then quickly (a few seconds) drops back to a continuous 600watts. Then add 25% and buy that generator. Get the largest fuel tank you can for the size of generator. Pay an electrician to install a switch and plug for you to attach your generator to the whole house at one time. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.02B03 BT035 * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Green Thumb Zone-Sow lightly (1:137/2) @PATH: 137/2 69 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (329) Sun 18 Dec 94 16:57 By: Dan Sicina To: Karin Brewer Re: Re: Test Message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:272/31.0@fidonet 2ef4b02c Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas. Now what? Thanks --- RBBSMail/386 v0.997 * Origin: Red Onion, ExPress Wawayanda,New York 914 342 4585 (1:272/31.0) @PATH: 272/31 2 38 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (330) Mon 19 Dec 94 20:43 By: Michael McCarty To: Doreen Clancy Re: Thermostat suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:110/860 2ef5f1f9 @REPLY: 1:353/385.0 2eeb04b8 Hello Doreen! 11 Dec 94 13:55, Doreen Clancy wrote to Tracy Logan: DC> One thing I notice is that my furnace seems to cut in and out a DC> lot more frequently then other people's. But my heating bill DC> seems to be about the same as when I had the old dial thermostat. DC> I'm too lazy to put the old dial one back on to see if it still DC> cuts in & out so frequently, perhaps due to all the windows I DC> have here. Does anyone else have this experience? Our programmable thermostat allows to adjust the differential so we can have it come on less often or more often. It helps to adjust it to set a comfort level for the type of house a person lives in. Basically it just tells the thermostat to start the heat when the temp drops a certain level, say .5 degree or 1 degree or a couple of degrees depending on your preference. Might check yours to see if it has such a feature. Michael --- GoldED/2 2.50.B1016+---LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.40b4+ * Origin: Barracuda BBS (513) 879-4714 Fairborn OH (1:110/860) @PATH: 110/860 675 69 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (332) Mon 19 Dec 94 8:38 By: Ken Jones To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea > about Can I talk with you about heating and cooling problems I'm having here? Is there a better echo for it than this. I don't think the folks here really want to read about my creature comfort problems. Thanks Ken --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (333) Mon 19 Dec 94 8:26 By: Ken Jones To: Gary Faucett Re: Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it > would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum > not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? If its single pane I just measure the size of it and go to a glass shop (note I said a glass shop) not home depot or something along that line. Tell them the type of measurement it is (I usally get the inside frame to frame size) and tell them what type of window it is (brand name is best). They are usally very helpfull, because they know if you dork it up you will be calling them anyway. Never took on a double pane yet. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (334) Mon 19 Dec 94 8:38 By: Karin Brewer To: Pat Stockett Re: cactuses and other greens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 877DEF16 [re orchid cactus] -> KB>whether that does anything for them. I got them on the roofed-ove -> KB>porch just now, but that's not very good light there. -> -> Mine doesn't get much real sun. In the summer they hang from tree -> branches in heavy shade. I think where they normally come from they -> grow on trees. In any case, they bloom the following year on only th -> new straps. I've wondered if they need the cool nights the way the -> Christmas and Thanksgiving cactus do. The big ones bloom twice a yea -> for me, once in the spring and again in late fall to early winter. Interesting. I'm pretty sure that the ones my stepmother has only bloom in the summer. She's got several red ones, and I think one yellow one. At one time, they also had a night-blooming one. A very pale pink comes to mind for that one, but I could be wrong. -> KB> I wonder who I can evict from the kitchen window? The Africa -> KB>violets have got to stay (there's thirteen of them blooming just n -> -> Steve put hooks in the ceilings for me back a little from the windows -> I can put a hanging plant behind the window that way. Actually, it's -> not safe to put anything right on the window sill in my kitchen. It -> faces to the north east and the winter storms hit them full force. My kitchen window also has got to be evacuated whenever the forecast calls for below 30F. Unfortunately it's one of the few good windows for plants. While it is facing south, I regulate the amount of light with shorty lace curtains, and the very top has that grayish plastic film to reduce the amount of light. There's a variegated heart-leaved philodendron in the east-facing living room window, and an oddball gesneriad that would really prefer more light than that. (What? You would ask... Let me look. A nautilocalyx pemphidius. Bubbly looking brownish leaves, supposedly small white blossoms, and lives in a terrarium bowl.) Most of the other windows that do get light are facing south or southwest, and have the blinds down to keep the temperature inside within acceptable levels. One of the pitfalls of living this far south and in a house without thermopane windows. -> I've brought all of my plants into the house this year. The greenhou -> just couldn't be kept warm last year and then with the storm damage I -> lost quite a few things. I don't want to take the chance that it wil -> repeat again. So all of my cymbidiums (18?) are in, a bird of paradi Oh my! My two attempts at orchids failed, the first one because we got transferred overseas and I had to give them away (had a bud on the ladyslipper), and the second time, I tried with a post-Mother's Day remnant, and I guess it just never recovered. It hung on for about a year, getting smaller on a weekly basis. The yellow/brown type of ladyslipper, BTW, is native to some parts of Austria, though you don't see them very often any more. -> assorted spider plants and a couple of monster Boston ferns. I'm sur -> there's more stuck in there. How about you? Do you have plants all -> over too. Let's see. The only other real indoors plant currently is a variegated Hoya that's probably getting ready to bloom again some time soon. It, too, shares the kitchen window (I tell you, it's a veritable jungle!) Got a Boston fern and an aspidistra outside, as well as a purple/silver zebrina, a big pot with pink geraniums, your two orchid cactuses, and a huge pinkish-red kalanchoe that is setting buds just now. The latter is the survivor of two other "remnants" that I got cheaply after they quit blooming and started to look a bit ratty. Next thing on the want list in the remnant category will be another pot of cyclamen, now they're cropping up in the stores again. Cyclamen seems to do reasonably well for me in a north-facing window. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1: (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (335) Mon 19 Dec 94 14:37 By: Harry Hall To: Wes Leatherock Re: Re: Thermostat suggestio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:365/200.0 2ef5e0de << On this date Harry read what Wes Leatherock wrote on 12-16-94 >> WL> What kind of thermostat do you have? Many years ago thermostats WL> were strictly metallic contacts and you could screw the adjusting WL> screw to adjust the swing. > WL> But since they went to mercury switches I haven't seen one you WL> could adjust. I'd like to get one. >=== Wes: They all have those adjusting thingys (I forget what they're called). It's the little 'slide bar' with the scale labled something like .25 to .8 HARRY in Ocala, Florida +( )^( )+ 12-19-94 'Kingdom of the Sun' \_/ 2:36pm --- X DeLuxe2 1.25 #8815 X God Bless Vespucciland! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Sherwood Forest (1:365/200) @PATH: 365/200 866 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (360) Tue 20 Dec 94 4:38 By: Kent Anderson To: Gary Faucett Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2ef762a5 -=> On 18 Dec 94 20:50:13, Gary Faucett said this to All GF> I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it GF> would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum GF> not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? Gary, If it's like most aluminum windows, there is a plastic gasket that substutes for putty. Behind that, when you remove it, you should find some little wire clips holding the glass. There may be a very small bead of putty over these. If so, you'll have to remove it to get to the clips. These should slip out easily with a screwdriver or needle nose pliers. Just be sure you get the _exact_ size of glass for replacement. If it's been there a few years, you can anticipate that that plastic gasket has gotten brittle, and will break when you remove it. Check with your hardware store to be certain an exact replacement is available. Note that every mfr seems to have a bit different scheme on these things, but most will be similar to the above. Good luck, Kent, ... HAPPY HOLY DAYS --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (363) Tue 20 Dec 94 8:48 By: Ken Jones To: Bruce Bosdet Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO > CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about > 4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or thicker), and > the exact > colour of the tomato vine. The caterpillers apparently ate leaves and > the tops of the fruit. Only 2 caterpillers resulted in extensive > devastation! > Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? A very common bug for tomato plants in California, we had them all the time when we lived out there. I think if they make it full cycle they turn into those giant moths, you know the ones that are bigger than your hand and have hair like stuff on their antenna's. If you want a positive for sure ID on it you might try calling Western Garden ???? Hesperian Blvd Hayward, Ca. 510 area code, Sorry I don't have more of the address We controled them by knocking them off and crushing them, they usally showed up just one time. What I meen is, when they showed up for the season you killed what you could find one day, went out and checked for the next 3 or 4 days to get the ones you missed, then it was over till next year. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (364) Tue 20 Dec 94 18:57 By: Bill Mason To: Bruce Bosdet Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake Bruce Bosdet unto *All* on the day of 17 Dec 94 09:02:49 BB> The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO BB> CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about BB> Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? I can, & I've never seen one! Because it seems about once a month in this echo someone discovers them, is aghast, and posts a horrified, hyperbolic plea for help here. :) They're Tomato Hornworms, and the general consensus around here seems to favor BT spray (Bacillus Thuringensis or something like that) as the best solution. Find it at your local nursery/garden supply store or failing that, a catalog, spray on leaves, whereupon they will eat it & it infects their digestive tract so they can no longer digest anything & die. It's completely harmless to everything except the Tomato Hornworms. --V 8 Spill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (366) Tue 20 Dec 94 21:45 By: Jesse Tharin To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 5495ee0c > Can I talk with you about heating and cooling problems I'm > having here? Is there a better echo for it than this. I don't > think the folks here really want to read about my creature > comfort problems. Heck no, you guys talk away! *YOU* may be talking about *YOUR* creature comfort problems but *WE* are reading about *OUR* creature comfort problems. Jesse --- Visualize Whirled Peas * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkaline desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (367) Mon 19 Dec 94 19:12 By: Matthew Nack To: Richard Rose Re: Generator Info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2606/416 877E2A43 -> during an outage. Refrigerator/freezer, furnace, a few lights. If y -> try to keep the whole house up and running, you are looking at a ve -> expensive, very large generator. And, unless you live out in the -> country, your neighbors will hate you for the noise it will -> "generate". -> Thanks for the info! --- WM v3.11/93-0182 * Origin: Beyond The Couch BBS*{288 V.FC}(201) 398-5549 (1:2606/416) @PATH: 2606/416 217 583 2605/606 107/387 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (370) Tue 20 Dec 94 0:19 By: Norman Barr To: Keith Sippy Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:330/301.0 2ef66958 @PID: BWRA 3.02 [Reg] @TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 7854 -=> On 08 Dec 94 06:05:52, Keith Sippy said to All: KS> What is the best way to protect roses in a cold area? (Zone 5-6) KS> This year I planted a number of roses. I've protected them by piling KS> up soil around them. However, it will be a bother to remove it in the KS> spring. Any other ideas? I use the leaves that fall off the trees here in Massachusetts. Pile them about 2" - 3" to insure a good bed. in the spring just rake them carefully away. /\/orman ... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Witch City BBS *Salem,MA [508]745-1689 *Hayes 28.8 (1:330/301) @PATH: 330/301 176 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (371) Tue 20 Dec 94 7:50 By: Dennis Garringer To: Wes Leatherock Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Dennis Garringer <12-16-94 21:33> Wes Leatherock wrote: WL> What kind of thermostat do you have? Many years ago WL> thermostats WL> were strictly metallic contacts and you could screw the adjusting It's a RobertShaw, no metallic contacts or mercury, its all electronic. Has a digital clock and display, just have to keep a good battery in it so it dosnt forget what it is supposed to do. Now I need to get one of those vandel covers to keep a pesky teenager from trying to burn up the house by using the over-ride to heat things up. Came back from fishing yesterday and he had it 81 degrees in here with the walls starting to smell like a wood stove!!!!! He had set the override to 75 degrees, closed all vents exept his room, closed his door(thermostat in hall), and left! Now where did I leave that 2x4 ruler to get his attention?????? Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (372) Tue 20 Dec 94 8:01 By: Dennis Garringer To: Gary Faucett Re: Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to All <12-18-94 20:50> Gary Faucett wrote: GF> I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it GF> would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is GF> aluminum GF> not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? If it is a slider, there will be a couple guid tabs at the top, inside. Mine are attached with screws. Just remove the screws and tabs, lift the window up in its track and the bottom will clear the lower sill. Pull the bottom in while lowering the top out of the top sill. You will find scews on the corners of the glass frame. Remove these and carefully remove the frame from the glass, saving the seal. I went to a glass shop and let them measure my frames for new pains "BEFORE" I removed the glass. They only wanted $10.00 to install pains in frames, but I did it myself. BTW, mine are single pain glass, if you have thermo pains it will probably be close to the same. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (373) Mon 19 Dec 94 20:38 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: All Re: portulaca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:342/71 b2036560 @PID: TriDog 6.2 @TID: GE 1.11+ On Dec. 11th Doreen wrote; DC> Nolan, I'm sure they're not h ardy enough for the Edmonton area. Many in DC> our neighbourhood used them in hanging baskets in Toronto. The following DC> summer we'd see a few plants in the area where the wind had blown seed DC> to but certainly not enough to count. I wouldn't even count on them for DC> a planting in Vernon. As you plant them in pots have you tried shaking DC> some seed down to the soil then bringing the pot in and putting it in DC> the basement for winter. In spring just bring the pots up and water. May DC> be an easy way. With cuttings you'd be looking after them all year. Well how it had come about is that I had saved some seed from this years crop and I could not get them to sprout at all. So I had posted a messgae asking help, someone replied they grow from cuttings, others were surprised that the seed would not grow. What I was doing wrong as planting the seed too deep, so I tried sprinking the seed on top of the soil and watering, more or less as you suggest, and they sprouted nicely. So when the spring comes along, seems like forever away right now, I will be all set to grow some of these little beasties (one less thing to buy). TTYL... Nolan --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Missing Link (1:342/71) USR 28.8 V.FC/V.34 (1:342/71) @PATH: 342/71 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (374) Mon 19 Dec 94 20:41 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: All Re: plants to try out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:342/71 b2036561 @PID: TriDog 6.2 @TID: GE 1.11+ Hello ALL ! I am so happy this echo has returned :) and hello to all those people I was talking to three months ago, when we were cut off. Today I have a question for next year. I am looking for suggestions for plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be annuals or tender pereneals, as they would have to be very hardy to survive our winters, Zone 3. My wife likes petunias (prefers dark purple) and geramiuns mostly. Over the past year we tried portulaca and she well kinda liked them and she seems afraid to experiment. Not me, true I dont know didily about the plants but you people are friendly and very helpful so I am drawing on your experance. So if you have a suggestion for a plant to try out drop a line describeing it. I would like some reds, yellows, pinks ect.. I would also prefer ones where I can collect seed fairly simply (like the petunia). Thanks in advance... Again I am very happy to see the echo back. TTYL... Nolan --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Missing Link (1:342/71) USR 28.8 V.FC/V.34 (1:342/71) @PATH: 342/71 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (375) Mon 19 Dec 94 20:31 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: Richard Rose Re: Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Dec. 16th Richard replied; NC> suggestion for a plant to try out drop a line describeing it. I would NC> like some reds, yellows, pinks ect.. I would also prefer ones where I RR> How about a bit more info. Light, soil type, height preferences, etc. RR> I can help with lots of ideas, but to help keep the postings smaller, RR> it would help to narrow this down. Hi Richard, Well we have a south faceing house, and the areas to be planted will get direct sun most of the day. Soil type well typical blacktop with a heavy clay content fill underneath. As for height of the beasties nothing too much bigger than 3 feet. I dont have a clue about Ph of the soil and the drainage is ok. I hope this helps out. TTyl... Nolan * Q-Blue 1.0 [NR] * --- DlgQWK v0.71a/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (376) Tue 20 Dec 94 22:53 By: Doug Swanson To: Bruce Bosdet Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2ef76052 @REPLY: 1:353/710.3 e310c1b0 Sounds like a tomato hornworm. A couple can eat a garden; if it's quiet you can hear them chew. Fortunately they are quite mortal and not extremely numerous so you can kill them with a sharp object. You have to have sharp eyes to see them but manual killing is as effective on a home sized tomato patch as chemicals and a lot less toxic. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (387) Mon 19 Dec 94 8:50 By: Brian Seidel To: Ted Christensen Re: New Plant Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/68.0 2ef5aba8 Ted I have just changed the landscape in my back yard. I moved planters, greenhouse/shed and built a small Gazebo. The Gazebo is in a south corner and is shaped by a neibours tree. I would like to fill most of the area around the gazebo with bright colored per-annuals. The fence is rather dark and so is the Gazebo. What would be some of your suggestions for our climate here. Thanks in advance. Brian ... OFFLINE 1.35 --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Horticulture UofS 966-8013 (1:140/68) @PATH: 140/68 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (388) Mon 19 Dec 94 13:14 By: Richard Rose To: Bill Mason Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef5f4b1 BM> After the messages dried up, I kept this area configured BM> to receive it, though, since I got a netmail from someone who was BM> trying to establish an alternative Home & Garden echo that could be BM> backboned once again, which led to my curiosity as to what exactly BM> happened once we started receiving it again! From what I have seen the last few days it seems to be getting active again. Is there currently a moderator for this echo as it stands? --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (389) Mon 19 Dec 94 13:17 By: Richard Rose To: Keith Sippy Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef5f4b2 RR> ! Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & KS> I think you must live somewhat near to where my dad grew up. Jim KS> Falls, WI. Just a bit NE of Eau Claire. At least down here in IA we KS> don't get quite as cold or as much snow... KS> Keith Actually, I live in Vadnais Heights, a burb of St. Paul, MN. River Falls, Wi is just across the boarder. And, my greenhouse biz in Stillwater, MN. Between St. Paul, MN and the WI boarder. Can't say I have ever heard of "Jim Falls" before. Eau Claire, yes. Thanks for the reply. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (390) Tue 20 Dec 94 10:55 By: Richard Rose To: Bruce Bosdet Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef7261e BB> Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? Can you give a better description? So far, it sounds like it could be a Cecropia moth caterpillar. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (391) Tue 20 Dec 94 11:29 By: Richard Rose To: Dan Sicina Re: Amaryllis care ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef7261f DS> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be DS> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas. DS> Now what? Thanks remove the bloom stalks when blooming is done. Allow the green leaves to grow, keeping the plant in as much light as possible. Fertilize once a month with a general purpose household plant food. Next summer put the plant outside in a sunny location and continue to feed it. Next September, stop watering and bring it indoors. Let the leaves fade and die. Remove the bulb from the soil and clean it off and store the bulb away for about 2 to 3 months. Start over. The cycle is this: Bloom time- uses the stored energy in the bulb to bloom. Green growth time- restores energy needed to bloom again. Dormancy time- forms new blooms inside the bulb. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (394) Sat 17 Dec 94 10:24 By: Larry Besel To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: BWPRO 3.05 [Eval] @MSGID: 1:3672/0.0 2ef42ede @TID: FastEcho 1.40 7102 -=> Quoting Jo Meyers to Jesse Tharin <=- JM> Hi Jesse, JM> I'm here in Montgomery, Alabama and we have just started JM> receiving this echo. I'm real excited about it but I'm not sure if my JM> messages are making it on to the echo. Would you please send me a Hello JM> to see if I'm getting on ok? Thanks Jo Jo, I've picked up your message in Dalton, GA. Today's date is 12/17/94 I'de be interested in how long it takes before you receive this reply. Happy Posting! ... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. --- Blue Wave/Pro v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Patriot BBS * (706) 695-8757 * Chatsworth, GA (1:3672/0) @PATH: 3672/0 133/1613 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (395) Tue 20 Dec 94 16:05 By: Lee Follweiler To: Doreen Clancy Re: Moles ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 DC>over the hole and alarm so the noise wouldn't get to me. The next hole I DC>saw was about 20 feet away. So I did the same there and repeated it in DC>the first hole. He left. Probably went back to the neighbors. DC>This alarm cost me $20 altogether. Anything making an ongoing loud DC>screeching noise should work. I'd leave it there about 20 minutes. Great Ideal, I learn something new here all the time. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (396) Tue 20 Dec 94 16:36 By: Lee Follweiler To: All Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 Hi, all I was wondering if any one could help me ? I bought my house last year, and it is nicely landscaped, but there is this one plant that I don't care for. It looks like the plant that Mortisa Addams used to grow on the old Addams Family Show, and feed it ground beef. but it has yellow bell like flowers and stinks like a skunk. You can smell this with the window open. I would have ripped it out of the ground when I first found the source of the skunk like smell, but curiosity got the better of me. I waited until it bloomed. Now it's to late, the wife saw it and likes it. What the heck is it ? It's not a good description, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Hello, I am part number ||#||||#||#||#|| --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (398) Tue 20 Dec 94 15:09 By: Pat Stockett To: Gary Faucett Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 877F8935 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 Hi Gary! GF>I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it >would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum >not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? It's not hard at all. If it's a storm window do it flat on a table. Get a part of the little vinyl strip loose that goes all the way around and then pull till the whole line is free. The glass will just lift out then. Get the new glass and put it in. Then you can use a screw driver to replace the vinyl. You'll see how it goes to lock in place. -Pat * QMPro 1.0 90-8356 * New Jersey, The Garden State --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: The Magic Dominion 1:107/614 n.j. 908-583-7894 28.8 (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (415) Wed 21 Dec 94 4:10 By: Philip Perlman To: Alan Hess Re: paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:278/304 2ef7ab90 @REPLY: 1:261/1000 4bfe9cbe Hello Alan! On Sunday December 18 1994, Alan Hess was seen whispering to Bluedog: AH> In a missive of Bluedog (1:278/304) AH> writes to Alan Hess: B>> I am currently growing 5 of them here in upstate NY (south of you AH> Nooo, I don't think so. :-) Last I looked, Maryland was south of you. B>> here. I located some sources that specialized in northeast B>> climates and the one that seemed the best is John H. Gordon, B>> 1385 Campbell Blvd., Amherst, NY 14228-1404, Tel: (716) B>> 691-9371. I must warn you that he doesn't have large B>> specimens, they are grafted and are about 3/8" in diameter and B>> 2 feet high at the most. Perhaps he has larger ones but at the AH> I suppose I could check out some local garden centers. I just wanted some AH> info on adult size of the plants, ease of care, and the like. Thanks. AH> *adh* Sorry about that BlueDog in the header, apparently when I log on remotely using BlueWave it uses my alias rather than my real name. Will have to fix that. For some reason I read your node number incorrectly vis-a-vis your location. As far as size is concerned, take a look at the audobon or an equivalent field guide to trees of North America. If I were upstate I would do this for you, but I am sure that if you wander into a bookstore you can browse there and get that specific info. Paw-Paws are native to North America so they should be listed in one of the guides. I don't *think* that the trees sold are very much removed from the original stock. ttyl. /* Phil */ --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) @PATH: 278/304 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (416) Wed 21 Dec 94 15:40 By: Richard Pratt To: Bill Mason Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:280/333@fidonet.org ca9210d9 Can I butt in? IMHO the best way to kill them is to feed them to about a two and a half to a five pound CHANNEL CATFISH. Catfish just love 'em. 73's Richard KCMO * 1st 1.11 #2915 * Bigamy: When ONE mother-in-law isn't enough. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) @PATH: 280/333 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (418) Wed 21 Dec 94 1:26 By: John Kelly To: All Re: Ginseng ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:141/1020.0 2ef7ca8e I'm looking for info on cultivation of ginseng and a seed source. Any help appreciated. J.K. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: CHALLENGE BBS/1.2G 28.8k/Redding CT (203) 938-8625 (1:141/1020) @PATH: 141/1020 755 568 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (419) Wed 21 Dec 94 19:40 By: Sheryl Moore To: Bruce Bosdet Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org ca95048a yes..it is a tomato hornworm...we grow 2 acres of tomatoes...they have probably been on the vine for about 3-4 days if they are that big.they will just about double in size every other day with a plentiful food supply,and that "horn" on one end can be painful.they are also born starving.wear gloves and pick them off and stomp them if you only have a few vines.if you have a bunch,use BT or if you are not opposed to chemicals,use 5% seven dust.you need to check for these worms frequently from transplant on thru the season.i have grown Super Fantastic tomatoes for 5 years and found that hornworms do not like the taste of their leaves.they WILL eat the fruit,but they do no damage to the leaves.you can get seed from burgess seed co. s ^[[ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (421) Wed 21 Dec 94 9:02 By: Beth Kloes To: Dan Sicina Re: Re: Test Message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On 12-18-94 Dan Sicina wrote to Karin Brewer... DS> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be DS> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas. DS> Now what? Thanks According to the information that came with an amaryllis from Breck's.... After the flowers fade, cut the stems about 2" above the neck of the bulb. Continue to water. Supplement with a water-soluble houseplant fertilizer once each month. After danger of frost, move into a 12" pot and/or transplant outdoors in a humus soil and afternoon shade. In late summer, withhold fertilizer and reduce watering to allow the foliage to wither. Prior to first frost, move your bulb indoors to a cool (50 degrees F.) darkened area. Cut the leaves 1" above the bulb. After a 6-8 week rest, repot your bulb in light, humus soil and water sparingly. Do not cut any of the roots before repotting. When bud growth begins, water thoroughly. Hope this helps! I've never tried it. Beth --- * OFFLINE 1.54 * Yeah, yeah.... Patience! What's that take.... an hour? --- GrayQwkMail 2.1 * Origin: Camelot BBS - Belpre, Ohio - 614-423-0185 (1:226/1150) @PATH: 226/1150 1110 10 109/7 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (422) Sun 18 Dec 94 21:33 By: John Clary To: Gary Gilmore Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:275/10@fidonet.org b0156ea2 @REPLY: 1:2410/400.0 2eee7cea @PID: FM 2.02 > Hmm, stop scaring me. I bought my house last > year. The yard is tired. The grass (if you can call > it that) is god-knows-what, and the turf has a lumpy > feel to it when you walk barefoot on it. (It's not > moles, I think it's just a wreck is all) Heh. You should see mine! 70% bermuda grass, 20% weeds and 10% dirt! The bermuda looks real good from about May through October but it's brown the rest of the year. > I'm planning on ripping out ALL the grass, front & > back, sodding the front, and seeding the back (cheap > way out) after laying down a new layer of topsoil to > "re-energize" the soil. Lotta work! Have you considered amending the soil, leveling it out and re- seeding instead? > I'd like to do *some* landscaping at the same time, > but just don't know what to do with it. The back is > small, and centered is a real nice magnolia (odd this > far north, but I love it), so there's not much I can > do, space wise. > Any ideas from your experiences? I would suggest formulating a complete plan to implement over a period of time as you can afford the time and money. My trouble was getting big ideas that didn't go as expected and didn't fit in with things I wanted to do later. BTW, that Magnolia may make the perfect focal point for your back yard. > Any to suggest that don't cost as much as the landscaping? :-) Any book! :) One I have used is Better Homes & Gardens Step-By-Step Landscaping. Best of luck. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Communication Fixation - OS/2 WARPed in Norfolk, Virginia (1:275/10) @PATH: 275/10 60 1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (423) Sun 18 Dec 94 21:37 By: John Clary To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:275/10@fidonet.org b0156ea3 @PID: FM 2.02 > Today I have a question for next year. I am looking for suggestions for > plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be annuals > or tender pereneals, as they would have to be very hardy to survive our We planted Cosmos from seed this year and have been _very_ pleased. The blooms are in many different colors, mostly reds, pinks and purples, and some are _still_ looking good even in December. They look kinda like daisies except they're not white. The variety we planted grew about two feet high, so they'd be good for a background planting. Best of luck. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Communication Fixation - OS/2 WARPed in Norfolk, Virginia (1:275/10) @PATH: 275/10 60 1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (425) Wed 21 Dec 94 6:09 By: Karin Brewer To: Dan Sicina Re: Amaryllis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 877F778D -> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be -> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas -> Now what? Thanks My mom used to just keep on watering as before until such time as all the leaves had withered. Then, she let the plant rest, and start watering again after several months, say in August or thereabouts. Some would bloom again, but never with blossoms quite as big as the first time round. Maybe she should have added a particular fertilizer. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (435) Wed 21 Dec 94 18:51 By: Ted Christensen To: Brian Seidel Re: New Plant Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/15.0 2ef8bf88 @REPLY: 1:140/68.0 2ef5aba8 Hi! Am i right in thinking that your problem with growing flowers around your gazebo is shade? If so Impatiens, a brightly coloured annual you can buy as bedding plants are a good choice. Monkshood is a tall perennial with spikes of purple flowers that can stand quite a bit of shade. It is a very poisonous plant so I'd be wary of growing it if there's any chance of children eating leaves or flowers, though. Hop plants do as well in shade as any climber if you want vines growing up the walls of the gazebo. I have a few cuttings from one of mine growing under lights. Just tried a few to see if it worked. You are welcome to one of them in the spring if you like. Call me in the spring if you want one. Voice phone # is 306-668-4903 or E-mail me. There is a local gardening echo on the International BBS, too, at 306-384-7682. It's message area IDC9. TTYL. Ted --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The International 6+Gig Saskatoon,Sk.CANADA(306)384-7685 (1:140/15) @PATH: 140/15 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (436) Wed 21 Dec 94 21:20 By: Cal Clift To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 878000BA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0806 Hi Ken, I tried to send you netmail, but you can go ahead and ask me questions here, if you like. If it is off topic, we can go to netmail later. Cal --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (437) Tue 20 Dec 94 22:39 By: Kent Anderson To: Bruce Bosdet Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2ef90792 -=> On 17 Dec 94 09:02:49, Bruce Bosdet said this to *ALL* BB> The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO BB> CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about BB> 4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or thicker), and BB> the exact colour of the tomato vine. The caterpillers apparently ate BB> leaves and the tops of the fruit. Only 2 caterpillers resulted in BB> extensive devastation! BB> BB> Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? BB> Bruce, Sounds to me like the Luna moth caterpillar. ONE of these devastated a seven foot tall catalpa tree for me, and another ate one tomato plant clean in a matter of a very few hours. Only way to avoid it is to beat them to the punch - pick 'em off and get rid of them. Kent, ... HAPPY HOLY DAYS --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (438) Tue 20 Dec 94 0:55 By: Doreen Clancy To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2ef62b68 On 12-15-94 Nolan Chamczuk wrote to All... NC> I would like some reds, yellows, pinks ect.. NC> I would also prefer ones where I can collect seed fairly simply (like NC> the petunia). Thanks in advance... Hi Nolan. You'll have a ball at a nursery in the spring about May 1-10 about when they have all the bedding plants out. Get to see them in bloom then and it sure helped me to come to know what I liked. Might make your "experimenting" a little easier on your wife too, if she knew ahead of time what something would look like . A word of caution here though. I trust you know that if you collect the seeds of hybrids (most of our petunias are hybrids) they may not reproduce at all or not be the same as the original after 1 or 2 generations. I've saved seed from Marigolds. They always do well in Alberta. Heights from 6" to 2', colors from deep orange to bright yellow. Plant 6-8 weeks early inside under lights. I like 1.5-2 ft. high Nicotiana. Only mixed color seed sold here so I picked the seed and bagged each color separately. Like the red & pink. They last very well in drought and also take light frost. Also saved seed from Snapdragons until I changed to Madame Butterfly, a hybrid that apparently won't reproduce. Warning if you get starting seed under lights. It just keeps expanding and expanding. It's taken over 2 closets now (before I moved to the closets it took over 2 bedrooms). I need 200 Petunias alone here so may as well add the rest. The best place to pick & choose is at a nursery, looking over their seed rack about February 1st. You'd want to plant Petunias by about February 15th. Read the packages of anything you're attracted to and when you have some possibities grab a sales person who is into plants. Then you start staring into people's yards in the summer while driving past, haunting nurseries during the summer, taking over cabinet tops & getting more lights, ... and well, as near as I can see there's no end to it. I love it. Go ahead, choose some, let us know what you have and we'll share any experience about them, OK? BTW, It's important to check for height on the packages. I've made some booboos with this along the way. Happy gardening. ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (439) Thu 22 Dec 94 8:28 By: Bill Mason To: Richard Rose Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake Richard Rose unto Bill Mason on the day of 19 Dec 94 13:14:31 RR> From what I have seen the last few days it seems to be getting active RR> again. Is there currently a moderator for this echo as it stands? Well the person who sent me the netmail about re-establishing the echo immediately after it was originally debackboned was Phil Perlman--perhaps he's the moderator now? --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (440) Thu 22 Dec 94 8:32 By: Bill Mason To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake Lee Follweiler unto All on the day of 20 Dec 94 16:36:00 LF> grow on the old Addams Family Show, and feed it ground beef. LF> but it has yellow bell like flowers and stinks like a skunk. You can smell LF> this with the window open. I LF> would have ripped it out of the ground when I first found the source of LF> the skunk like smell, but curiosity got the better of me. I waited LF> until it bloomed. Now it's to late, the wife saw it and likes it. What LF> the heck is it ? It's not a good description, but that's my story and Well it sounds a heck of a lot like a skunk cabbage. Does it have big giant leaves that sort of frame the flowers, and they all come up directly from the ground? Skunk cabbage flowers don't strike me as bell-like, though... They have a central green spike with a yellow "hood" enclosing it, in similar fashion to the rest of the arum lily family to which they belong, including calla lilys & peace lilys. I've always thought skunk cabbage *were* rather pretty to *look* at... :) --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (444) Wed 21 Dec 94 7:57 By: Diana Pederson To: Dan Sicina Re: Re: Test Message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:159/650.0 2ef8266b DS> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be DS> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas. DS> Now what? Thanks Hi: Amaryllis bulbs are EASY to keep for another year. Just cut the flowering stalk off close to the bulb once it dies. Then let the bulb grow on until it's warm enough for it to go outside in the late spring. I leave mine outside all summer and keep them fertilized every 2 weeks. In late August, I bring them back in and let the foliage die down. Then I unpot the bulbs and store them dormant for at least 2 months or to whenever I get around to repotting them. They should send up flowerl buds within 2 or 3 weeks of repotting them. Water them just enough to get them started growing and keep just moist until they flower. My parents and I have kept these bulbs going for several years. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Jenny's Dog House BBS I, Where the Tree is always Wet (1:159/650) @PATH: 159/650 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (445) Wed 21 Dec 94 9:49 By: Richard Rose To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef86be5 NC> Soil type well typical blacktop Not going to get much to grow in blacktop! (I know you mean black top soil). Try some salvias. "Bonfire" gets to about 2 feet tall and is a very bright red. "Hot line" is the same, but shorter. There are other colors of salvia, but they don't seem to bloom as nicely as the red. Nicotiana (red) is the #1 hummingbird attracter. Marigolds come in yellows and oranges, and in alot of heights. Snap dragons come in mixed or straight colors. "Floral Carpet" is a dwarf snap that is very nice as a border. An old favorite (my personal favorite) is Cleome. "Rose Queen" is a very large bushy variety that blooms in pink and white. For accents around the border, try blue ageratum, dusty miller, white allysum (purple allysum is unreliable). The list goes on, but these are a few very popular things for sun. As for perennials, I prefer the "English garden" style of gardening. In other words, throw it in the air, where it lands, plant it. Just mix up different things, it makes a nice effect. The biggest problem with perennials is that each variety has it's own specific bloom time. Look at what you are buying and try to get a variety of bloom times, that way you are more likely to have someething in bloom at all times. Shop for perennials locally only. Your local garden center will not sell you anything that will not do well in your area, unlike catalogs which will sell anything to anybody, regardless. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (447) Thu 22 Dec 94 11:13 By: Luke Kozek To: All Re: Merry Christmas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/360 b28b3b9f Merry Christmas everyone, from my house to yours. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: International House Of Mud - Vernon, BC, Canada (1:353/360) @PATH: 353/360 353 250 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (450) Tue 20 Dec 94 20:00 By: Nancy Griffin To: Bruce Bosdet Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO > CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about > 4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or thicker), and > the exact > colour of the tomato vine. The caterpillers apparently ate leaves and > the tops of the fruit. Only 2 caterpillers resulted in extensive > devastation! > Can any one identify this massive green caterpiller??? > Many thanks, > Bruce Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillers/Worm. Nancy --- DB 1.58/003717 * Origin: The Animal House BBS...(203)582-6983 (1:142/983) @PATH: 142/983 111 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (451) Wed 21 Dec 94 20:23 By: Alan Chong To: All Re: Cleaning Hardwood Floors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:229/15@fidonet.org 2f5e9712 Hello All, Are there products or a household tipps in keeping hardwood floors less dusty? Special vaccum cleaners? Air cleaners in heating/air systems? Special brooms? Waxes or finishes? Dusting techniques? Damp mopping products? Thanks in Advance --- * OLX 2.2 * Windows NT: 16Mb to accomplish a 4Mb job --- QScan v1.131b / 01-0348 * Origin: FidoNet: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) @PATH: 229/15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (452) Thu 22 Dec 94 2:57 By: Pat Climento To: All Re: Pointsetta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2623/68 2ef8eb88 Hi All! I have noticed that my pointsetta palnt is dropping it's leaves like crazy. I don't wanter it every day but I can't stop the leaves from dropping off...any suggestions? Pat --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219 * Origin: Witch's Brew/4 28.8 (609)698-1027 *MAIL ONLY* OS2-BINK (1:2623/68) @PATH: 2623/68 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (467) Thu 22 Dec 94 21:44 By: Dennis Garringer To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Cal Clift <12-19-94 08:38> Ken Jones wrote: KJ> Can I talk with you about heating and cooling problems I'm having KJ> here? Is there a better echo for it than this. I don't think the KJ> folks here really want to read about my creature comfort problems. Not to worry, this is Home & Garden. There are others who can learn from your convesation too. But, if it is privacy you are looking for, there is E-Mail. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (469) Thu 22 Dec 94 17:32 By: Karin Brewer To: Richard Rose Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 8780369C -> BM> After the messages dried up, I kept this area configured -> BM> to receive it, though, since I got a netmail from someone who w -> BM> trying to establish an alternative Home & Garden echo that coul -> BM> backboned once again, which led to my curiosity as to what exac -> BM> happened once we started receiving it again! -> -> From what I have seen the last few days it seems to be getting active -> again. Is there currently a moderator for this echo as it stands? Last I heard of, it was Sharon Allsup. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (479) Thu 22 Dec 94 3:56 By: Brian Seidel To: Ted Christensen Re: New Plant Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/68.0 2ef95b42 On 12-21-94 Ted Christensen wrote to Brian Seidel... TC> Hi! TC> Am i right in thinking that your problem with TC> growing flowers around your gazebo is shade? If so TC> Impatiens, a brightly coloured annual you can buy as TC> bedding plants are a good choice. I used Impatiens plants in some hanging baskets in the gazebo and they worked well in the shade. I have a large area around the gazebo which I would like to fill with prennials. TC> Monkshood is a tall perennial with spikes of purple flowers that TC> can stand quite a bit of shade. It is a very poisonous plant so I'd TC> be wary of growing it if there's any chance of children TC> eating leaves or flowers, though. No small children at home anymore but lots of small visitors so I'm hesitant to use poisonous plants. TC> Hop plants do as well in shade as any climber if you want vines TC> growing up the walls of the gazebo. I have a few cuttings TC> from one of mine growing under lights. Just tried a few to TC> see if it worked. You are welcome to one of them in the TC> spring if you like. Call me in the spring if you want one. TC> Voice phone # is 306-668-4903 or E-mail me. There is a TC> local gardening echo on the International BBS, too, at 306- TC> 384-7682. It's message area IDC9. TTYL. TC> Ted I would be interested in the Hop plant as we would like have some vines climbing the lattice work sides. I will keep your message on file and will give you a call in spring. I have just recently asked for increased access to the International BBS and will include the gardening areas in my message areas. Thanks for your help. Brian ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Seasons Greetings... --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Horticulture UofS 966-8013 (1:140/68) @PATH: 140/68 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (480) Thu 22 Dec 94 16:57 By: Ted Christensen To: Jo Meyers Re: Hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/15.0 2ef9f64a Hi, Jo! Your message got to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. That's in the middle of the Canadian prairies, about 1500 miles NW of you. Merry Christmas Ted --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The International 6+Gig Saskatoon,Sk.CANADA(306)384-7685 (1:140/15) @PATH: 140/15 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (482) Wed 21 Dec 94 13:41 By: Doreen Clancy To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Thermostat suggestio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2ef83072 On 12-17-94 Cal Clift wrote to Dennis Garringer... CC> Hi Dennis and Doreen, I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea about the thermostat, but that setting is called the "heat anticipator". It is measured in tenths of amps. Your thermostat has a little electric heater in it that anticipates the heat that will be driven out of your duct work after the burner is turned off by the thermostat, but before the fan cycles off on its heat switch. The heat anticipator should be set at the amp draw of the rest of your 24 volt control system. If the heat anticipator is set too low (too far toward the smallest numbers) the temperature will swing too far in your house, (say from 7 or 8 degrees), if it is set on too high a number, the furnace will go off and on rapidly. A good rule of thumb it to look at your gas valve, ( the electric valve right before the burners in the furnace) and it will have a number on like .35 Amp. You can then set your heat anticipator in the thermostat to .35. Thanks Cal. I thought the furnace (gas) and thermostat (Transtronic) were somehow coordinated. Appreciate your explanation. The thermostat has a pinhole marked Cal, I'm guessing this is for calibration. On installation the furnacemen checked it to ensure it coincided with the furnace. I have the temperature set for 23 Celsius. It cuts in at 21. (Each degree Celsius is about 1.5 degrees F.) I wonder about its readings because in just moments of heating the thermostat is showing 21, 25, 21, 25, 23 and then cuts out. There's no heat vents there, it's down a hallway, so no drafts really. There's no way it's reached 25 degrees in the hall. I tried taping around the thermostat to eliminate drafts but no change. When I've cooled the house down while away or at night it seems to keep doing this, cutting in & out, in & out, until it reaches the 23 degree temperature range then seems to settle down, not cutting in as often. When I'm trying to raise the temperature after cooling the house I'd like it just to cut in and stay on for awhile instead of this in & out business that can go on for an hour or more. I reposted all your answer for other's info. Usually I just quote a few lines but I thought many northerners would like the info. I've printed out your message. Thanks again. ... OFFLINE 1.51 " * If it ain't broke, fix it until it is." --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (483) Tue 20 Dec 94 22:28 By: Larry Besel To: Karin Brewer Re: Amaryllis Bulbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: BWPRO 3.05 [Eval] @MSGID: 1:3672/0.0 2ef989f0 @TID: FastEcho 1.40 7102 -=> Quoting Dan Sicina to Karin Brewer <=- DS> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may be DS> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this christmas. DS> Now what? Thanks Cut the bloom stalk off just above the bulb. Keep it watered, put it in a place where it will get sun, so the leaves can give nourishment to the bulb. You can put it outside after danger of frost has passed. Keep watering it until the fall. In the early fall (before it frosts) let the soil dry out. After the soil has dried out, cut off the leaves about 3/4 of an inch from the bulb and put Amaryllis container in a cool dark space for a minimum of 6 weeks. About 6 weeks before you want it to bloom, remove it from the cool dark area, place it a sunny location and begin watering it. If all goes well you will have another beautiful bloom around Christmas. P.S. There is no need to transplant the bulb into a larger container until the bulb is literally pushing it self out of it's original container (it may not bloom the year it is transplanted to a larger container, but will be fine the following year). ... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up! --- Blue Wave/Pro v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Patriot BBS * (706) 695-8757 * Chatsworth, GA (1:3672/0) @PATH: 3672/0 133/1613 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (489) Thu 22 Dec 94 0:00 By: Doreen Clancy To: Bruce Bosdet Re: Monster Tomato Caterpill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2ef8c18c On 12-17-94 Bruce Bosdet wrote to *ALL*... BB> The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO BB> CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about BB> 4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or BB> thicker), and the exact colour of the tomato vine. The BB> caterpillers apparently ate leaves and the tops of the fruit. BB> Only 2 caterpillers resulted in extensive devastation! Hi Bruce. I'm in Vernon, B.C., near Kamloops. Laughing because I too saw a tomato hornworm for the first time this year and screamed! I'd thought it was actually a branch of the plant then saw the eyes. Gardened here over 15 years and never saw one before. Neighbors sure laughed. Last spring I noticed an unusual number of butterflies I hadn't seen before. Called the butterfly exhibit and they said that's what they'd be. Later saw a few hornworms. I just picked them off with a stick and threw them far away. Course I do live on a mountainside with lots of bush around. The book I have that shows me our local garden pests the best is the Ortho book, "All About Vegetables". Got it at a nursery. It's not hard cover. Cost about $15, got it on sale. It says handpicking works for small numbers of caterpillars or for large individuals such as the tomato hornworm. Or spray with the biological control Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), a bacterial disease of caterpillars. Other controls are Sevin, diazinon, pyrethrin, rotenone, or malathion. I don't use sprays so find the best thing I do is that daily or every-other-day garden patrol. It's good for my soul & good for my garden. See what's happening before it gets out of hand. BTW, I did think it was quite neat the way the bug could totally and minutely remove only the outer skin of the tomato, without damaging at all the fruit underneath. May admire its skill but still won't touch one! ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (500) Mon 19 Dec 94 18:21 By: Mark Rogers To: Alan Hess Re: Paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:207/225@fidonet.org 65ae6258 |-----------------|Alan Hess wrote: AH>Has anyone grown paw-paws? How large do the trees/bushes get? I kno AH>needed for pollination, so, if they're too large, I don't have space AH>them. *adh* AH>--- msgedsq 2.1 AH> * Origin: Nerve Center: Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/100 |-------------------------------------| Alan, I too am thinking of growing paw-paws (custard apple). I have read they do need a partner for pollination. They grow about thiry feet tall. Have you ever tasted a fruit from one ?? I havn't but for some reason I still want to grow them. Would you know off-hand where I may get the friut from?? TTYL... .\\ark Rogers rspmro@lluvm.BITNET Highland CA. rogersm1@iia.org ... I had a chicken once. Tasted a lot like cat. --- * TLX v4.00 * * RM 1.3 00260 * --- QScan v1.131b / 01-0417 * Origin: Prime Connection - Riverside,CA - 909.274.9637*USR/DS (1:207/225) @PATH: 207/225 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (509) Fri 23 Dec 94 19:29 By: Sheryl Moore To: Alan Chong Re: Cleaning Hardwood Floors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org cb950425 special air filters will help,i used to just grab the dust mop and pledge,and spray as needed..on the mop.are they finished(polyurethene) or unfinished and waxed? --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (510) Fri 23 Dec 94 23:40 By: Doug Swanson To: Lee Follweiler Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2efb5fde Can you describe it? Is it a shrub? or Perennial? If it is an evergreen shrub, evergreen barberry has yellow flowers that smell like carrion. Is it throny with spiny leaves? --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (511) Fri 23 Dec 94 23:42 By: Doug Swanson To: John Kelly Re: Ginseng ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2efb6068 @REPLY: 1:141/1020.0 2ef7ca8e I have never seen genseng seeds, but I have seen a few mail order catalogs that sell roots for planting. Genseng requires a very organic,moist, acidic soil that is undisturbed by anything human. That's why you didn't see it growing very many places even before people started ingesting it. If you have a moist north slope of an Appalachian you might get one to grow. I have tried with only modest success in an urban area. Good luck. Try the Park seed catalog BTW. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (515) Fri 23 Dec 94 19:54 By: Wes Leatherock To: Dennis Garringer Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/4000.0 2efb713e @PID: BWRA 3.02 [Reg] -=> Quoting Dennis Garringer to Wes Leatherock <=- DG> In a message to Dennis Garringer <12-16-94 21:33> Wes Leatherock DG> wrote: WL> What kind of thermostat do you have? Many years ago WL> thermostats were strictly metallic contacts and you could screw WL> the adjusting DG> It's a RobertShaw, no metallic contacts or mercury, its all DG> electronic. Has a digital clock and display, just have to keep a good DG> battery in it so it dosnt forget what it is supposed to do. Now I DG> need to get one of those vandel covers to keep a pesky teenager from DG> trying to burn up the house by using the over-ride to heat things up. Thanks very much. I'll look for one. However, I don't understand the override; don't you just move it up or down to the temperature you want to set? --- CyberLINK v2.5g * Origin: CYBERNATION (1:147/4000) @PATH: 147/4000 48 3006 1032 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (516) Fri 23 Dec 94 19:54 By: Wes Leatherock To: Gary Faucett Re: Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/4000.0 2efb713f @PID: BWRA 3.02 [Reg] -=> Quoting Kent Anderson to Gary Faucett <=- GF> I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it GF> would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum GF> not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? KA> If it's like most aluminum windows, there is a plastic gasket that KA> substutes for putty. Behind that, when you remove it, you should find KA> some little wire clips holding the glass. There may be a very small KA> bead of putty over these. If so, you'll have to remove it to get to KA> the clips. These should slip out easily with a screwdriver or needle KA> nose pliers. Just be sure you get the _exact_ size of glass for KA> replacement. KA> If it's been there a few years, you can anticipate that that plastic KA> gasket has gotten brittle, and will break when you remove it. Check KA> with your hardware store to be certain an exact replacement is KA> available. I have replaced several of mine for one reason or another. These are double-hung aluminum windows. They come out and go in just like Kent said, except that none of my have the little wire clips holding the glass. The glass is held entirely by the plastic gasket, which is shaped sort of like a quarter round. The plastic gasket does get brittle over time. I have always gotten my glass at a glass company, and they are usually very helpful in explaining what you need to do and they will probably have the plastic pieces that hold the glass in. --- CyberLINK v2.5g * Origin: CYBERNATION (1:147/4000) @PATH: 147/4000 48 3006 1032 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (519) Fri 23 Dec 94 7:52 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Dec. 20th while holding his nose Lee wrote; LF> but it has yellow bell like flowers and stinks like a skunk. You can LF> smell LF> this with the window open. I LF> would have ripped it out of the ground when I first found the source of LF> the skunk like smell, but curiosity got the better of me. I waited LF> until it bloomed. Now it's to late, the wife saw it and likes it. What LF> the heck is it ? It's not a good description, but that's my story and LF> I'm sticking to it. He he ha ha this is great! I can so easily see my wife doing the same thing I have no clue what the plant is, other than maybe skunk cabage, but thats a shot in the dark. Still a good story... Good luck with it.. TTYL.... Nolan * Q-Blue 1.0 [NR] * --- DlgQWK v0.71a/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (522) Fri 23 Dec 94 20:12 By: Alan Hess To: Nancy Griffin Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000 4c429859 In a missive of Nancy Griffin (1:142/983) writes to Bruce Bosdet: NG> Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillers/Worm. Darn shame Momma Nature doesn't have one of those for poison ivy and kudzu. *adh* --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Nerve Center: Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (526) Tue 20 Dec 94 8:31 By: T.E. Austin To: Gary Faucett Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/207 10089ba8 @PID: VFIDO 6.10.05 Re: windows problem > not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? Look around for the file killdir.zip on a local BBS. It is shareware so you can use it no prob. Type Killdir and the name of your windows directory (usually Windows or Win31) and you will get that window out. Be sure to correct your autoexec.bat of you that should read or you will keep getting a bad command or file name message. Hope that helps! --- VFIDO 6.10.05 * Origin: Shark's Bar & Grill (1:3641/207) @PATH: 3641/207 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (530) Wed 21 Dec 94 9:55 By: Robert Goyette To: Bruce Bosdet Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:102/128.0 87825763 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0077 BB+The tomato patch of a friend of mine was visited by MONSTER TOMATO +CATERPILLERS!!! The caterpillers were described as being about +4 to 5 inches long, hairless, as thick as your thumb (or thicker), and the Sounds like tomato hornworm to me, although I've never seen them quite that big. In any event, they're no big deal. Simply remove and destroy them, which only takes a couple of minutes. They won't be back until next season, if then (I haven't had a recurrence in the last 10 years, and I raise a lot of tomatoes). This is the sort of thing that illustrates the old adage that any garden benefits from exposure to the shadow of the gardener at least once each day. In other words, Eternal Vigilance! bsb >< --- * SLMR 2.1a * rgoyette@ursabbs.com (Robert Goyette) --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: URSA MAJOR - Manhattan Beach, Ca. - (310)545-5611 (1:102/128.0) @PATH: 102/128 138 2 209/720 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (534) Sat 24 Dec 94 18:55 By: Karin Brewer To: Larry Besel Re: Amaryllis Bulbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 87823574 -> -=> Quoting Dan Sicina to Karin Brewer <=- -> -> DS> Would anyone know how to keep amaryllis bulbs so that they may b -> DS> used again next christmas. They are done flowering for this chri -> DS> Now what? Thanks -> -> Cut the bloom stalk off just above the bulb. Keep it watered, put i -> a place where it will get sun, so the leaves can give nourishment to -> bulb. You can put it outside after danger of frost has passed. Kee [much deleted] Thank you! I've been getting the itch to try my hand with an amaryllis again. Or, a clivia, which is something else I've always admired in other people's homes. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (535) Sat 24 Dec 94 4:50 By: Pat Stockett To: Karin Brewer Re: cactuses and other greens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 8782460F @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 Hi Karin! KB> Interesting. I'm pretty sure that the ones my stepmother has >only bloom in the summer. She's got several red ones, and I think one Maybe a different variety? Or maybe the climate. Mine has been doing that for years now. >yellow one. At one time, they also had a night-blooming one. A very I threw the one I had out on the snow one night. I got myself up and dressed and out through the snow to catch the bloom two or three nights in a row. I kept missing the bloom. Talk about a temper tantrum. :-) KB> My kitchen window also has got to be evacuated whenever the >forecast calls for below 30F. Unfortunately it's one of the few >good windows for plants. While it is facing south, I regulate That's the difference. I have a north and a north-east window in the kitchen. The south window is in the bathroom. It's why I got the greenhouse built to begin with. I had so many plants on the sink that Steve could hardly shave. :-) The ephyphylm is in front of the north. And yet, I don't think it's really happy except out under the tree. It just puts up with a lot. >hung on for about a year, getting smaller on a weekly basis. The >yellow/brown type of ladyslipper, BTW, is native to some parts of >Austria, though you don't see them very often any more. The fellow that had the huge orchid greenhouse had many of them. I liked them, it's just that I fell in love with the cymbidiums. He had three huge greenhouses and they were stuffed with cym. in bloom the first time I found the place. He told me to wash my hands in the disinfectant pail and then look to my heart's content. But don't touch. :-) I always wondered why I had to wash my hands. Anyways... It's a wonder I ever came out again. For the years he was there Steve knew where to go for a gift for me anytime he needed one. >Cyclamen seems to do reasonably well for me in a north-facing window. They are pretty. Merry Christmas! :-) --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: The Magic Dominion 1:107/614 n.j. 908-583-7894 28.8 (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (536) Sat 24 Dec 94 15:59 By: Alan Hess To: Mark Rogers Re: Paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000 4c4d7810 @REPLY: 1:207/225@fidonet.org 65ae6258 In a missive of Mark Rogers (1:207/225@fidonet.org) writes to Alan Hess: MR> Have you ever tasted a fruit from one ?? I havn't but for some MR> reason I still want to grow them. Would you know off-hand MR> where I may get the friut from?? I've never tasted one - the description in a garden catalog interested me. I can't guess where to buy the fruit. *adh* --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Nerve Center: Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (553) Sat 24 Dec 94 7:18 By: Tom Megow To: All Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.02 b10Hr I need to find a source (hopefully in the S.E.) for vietnamese coriander.I live in lower zone 8,Will it do well here?TIA "****And now another fabulous tagline****" A bird in the hand makes it hard to blow your nose. --- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] * Origin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) @PATH: 3645/10 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (558) Sat 24 Dec 94 3:31 By: Robby Crownover To: Alan Hess Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.456 2efb9660 @REPLY: 1:261/1000 4c429859 Hello Alan! 23 Dec 94 20:12, Alan Hess wrote to Nancy Griffin: NG>> Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillers/Worm. AH> Darn shame Momma Nature doesn't have one of those for poison ivy and AH> kudzu. *adh* OTOH, I hear that goats are quite fond of poison ivy and kudzu. Robby --- GoldED 2.41+ * Origin: = Psychotronic BBS // 919-286-4542 // Durham, NC = (1:3641/1.456) @PATH: 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (560) Fri 23 Dec 94 12:17 By: Richard Rose To: Pat Climento Re: Pointsetta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2efb2816 PC> I have noticed that my pointsetta palnt is dropping it's leaves like PC> crazy. I don't wanter it every day but I can't stop the leaves from PC> dropping off...any suggestions? Keep the plant in a high light area. Let the soil get dry to the touch before watering. If there is a decorative cover on the pot, make sure it has drainage. Poinsettias are very sensitive to both over and under- watering. They do prefer the dry side to wet though. What you describe sounds like an over-watered condition. Lower leaves yellow, dry, curl up and fall off. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (568) Sat 24 Dec 94 18:08 By: Lee Follweiler To: Doug Swanson Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 I think it's a lily. It's a perennial's, for sure. --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (569) Sat 24 Dec 94 17:11 By: Lee Follweiler To: Bill Mason Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 BM>Thus spake Lee Follweiler unto All on the day of 20 Dec 94 16:36:00 BM>LF> grow on the old Addams Family Show, and feed it ground beef. BM>LF> but it has yellow bell like flowers and stinks like a skunk. You can sme BM>LF> this with the window open. I BM>LF> would have ripped it out of the ground when I first found the source of BM>LF> the skunk like smell, but curiosity got the better of me. I waited BM>LF> until it bloomed. Now it's to late, the wife saw it and likes it. What BM>LF> the heck is it ? It's not a good description, but that's my story and BM> Well it sounds a heck of a lot like a skunk cabbage. Does it have bi BM>giant leaves that sort of frame the flowers, and they all come up directly BM>from the ground? Skunk cabbage flowers don't strike me as bell-like, BM>though... They have a central green spike with a yellow "hood" enclosing it BM>in similar fashion to the rest of the arum lily family to which they belong, BM>including calla lilys & peace lilys. BM> I've always thought skunk cabbage *were* rather pretty to *look* at.. BM>:) BM> --Bill Thanks for the reply, Bill. It's defiantly a lily, know that you mention it. Let's tell the wife it's a weed. ;) --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (573) Sat 24 Dec 94 11:40 By: Richard Pratt To: Doreen Clancy Re: Monster Tomato Caterpill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:280/333@fidonet.org cc8e2f32 -Still wouldn't touch one. Gee Doreen, I guess that means you wouldn't put one on a fish hook either? :-) 73's Richard KCMO * 1st 1.11 #2915 * The more you run over a cat, the flatter it gets. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) @PATH: 280/333 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (595) Mon 26 Dec 94 10:27 By: Mark Kemp To: Tom Megow Re: Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @EID:48ee 2eff0b92 I don't have any info for you about availability, but we grew some this year from a plant a friend found at some local nursery. Do you know anything more about the plant, such as latin name, uses, etc.? The leaves did smell like cilantro, but not knowing anything about it, I didn't use any. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Dr Rom BBS (1:152/21.0) @PATH: 152/21 22 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (605) Mon 26 Dec 94 8:49 By: DIANE NEWBURY To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:154/280 B66C2955 Hi, Lee, just poking my nose in here re your message: I didn't see your original message, but caught the cute reply from Nolan Chamczuk. NC>LF> but it has yellow bell like flowers and stinks like a skunk. You NC>LF> can smell NC>LF> this with the window open. I NC>LF> would have ripped it out of the ground when I first found the NC>LF> source of the skunk like smell, but curiosity got the better of NC>LF> me. I waited until it bloomed. Now it's to late, the wife saw it NC>LF> and likes it. What the heck is it ? It's not a good NC>LF> description, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Based on this description I'd say there's a good chance that you have a perennial called Fritillaria. It's a bulb and in the lily family, known for its skunk-like odor which supposedly repels "varmints" from your garden. Check out a good picture-perennial book from the library and see if you get a close picture to this one! Hope this helps. Bye for now! Diane --- * CMPQwk 1.4 #1115 * You are the only person who can see this tagline. --- * Origin: Exec-PC BBS > World's Largest BBS (414-789-4360) < (1:154/280) @PATH: 154/280 40 222 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (612) Mon 26 Dec 94 16:54 By: Dennis Garringer To: Wes Leatherock Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Dennis Garringer <12-23-94 19:54> Wes Leatherock wrote: WL> Thanks very much. I'll look for one. However, I don't WL> understand the override; don't you just move it up or down to the WL> temperature you want to set? Its all digital. Everything is done with push buttons and displayed in a numeric readout. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (629) Tue 27 Dec 94 8:48 By: Bill Mason To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LF> BM>from the ground? Skunk cabbage flowers don't strike me as bell-like, LF> BM>though... They have a central green spike with a yellow "hood" enclosin LF> BM>in similar fashion to the rest of the arum lily family to which they bel LF> BM>including calla lilys & peace lilys. Thus spake Lee Follweiler unto Bill Mason on the day of 24 Dec 94 17:11:00 LF> Thanks for the reply, Bill. It's defiantly a lily, know that you LF> mention it. Let's tell the wife it's a weed. ;) A lily or an arum lily? Arum lilies aren't really lilies...they all have that spike and a single colored bract (that isn't really a petal) beside or surrounding the spike. Their leaves are oval or arrowhead-shaped and have branching veins. True lilies have 3 or 6 true petals, and their leaves are parallel--long and thin sorta like giant thick grass blades, with veins running parallel down the whole length & no branching. --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (640) Mon 26 Dec 94 14:28 By: Lee Follweiler To: Doug Swanson Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 DS>Can you describe it? Is it a shrub? or Perennial? If it is an evergreen DS>shrub, evergreen barberry has yellow flowers that smell like carrion. Is it DS>throny with spiny leaves? I 'am sure its a Lily of some sort. It is a perennial. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * * DO NOT EAT * This is a tag line! --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (641) Mon 26 Dec 94 17:17 By: Lee Follweiler To: Alan Hess Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: HyperMail! v1.10 UR-00465 AH> NG> Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillar/Worm. AH>Darn shame Momma Nature doesn't have one of those for poison ivy and kudzu. AH> *adh* Hey, are they any good for fishing? --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Everyone has photographic memory, some don't have film! --- HyperMail! v1.10 [Eval-Copy] * Origin: Father & Son Info Svc 610-439-1509 Whitehall,Pa. (1:2607/112) @PATH: 2607/112 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (643) Tue 27 Dec 94 15:07 By: Jo Meyers To: Ken Jones Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Thanks for the message! Have a Happy New Year and I'll get back to you with gardening news as soon as I get back outside and in the dirt! --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (644) Tue 27 Dec 94 15:10 By: Jo Meyers To: Liz Schroeder Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Hello Arkansas! Thanks for the message. I have a sister in Cabot,Ar. Is that anywhere near where you are? Have a safe and Happy New Year. Jo --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (645) Tue 27 Dec 94 15:13 By: Jo Meyers To: Jesse Tharin Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Wow! I've never tried to grow veggies, I have a hard enough time with flowers. I do know what you mean about everyone in the family having different tastes. I have one who can't eat corn, one who won't eat mushrooms,etc.etc. I like the take it or leave it approach myself. Bye for now and have a Happy New Year. --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (646) Tue 27 Dec 94 15:18 By: Jo Meyers To: Larry Besel Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Hi Larry, Today is 27th and the first day I've been on the board for awhile because our modem was messed up so I don't know exactly what day your message was posted. Maybe you can tell by this message. Where in Georgia are you? Hope you have a Happy New Year. --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (647) Tue 27 Dec 94 15:23 By: Jo Meyers To: Ted Christensen Re: Re: Hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Canada WOW! I didn't realize I could reach out and touch someone so far away! Is it very cold up there? What do you like to grow? --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (648) Tue 27 Dec 94 20:23 By: Bill Mason To: Diane Newbury Re: Re: Stinky Plant ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DN> Based on this description I'd say there's a good chance that you have a DN> perennial called Fritillaria. It's a bulb and in the lily family, known DN> for its skunk-like odor which supposedly repels "varmints" from your DN> garden. Check out a good picture-perennial book from the library and DN> see if you get a close picture to this one! DN> ah, I'd forgotten about those! Like Mission Bells or Checker Lily... --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (649) Sat 24 Dec 94 19:52 By: Andy Soucy To: Gary Faucett Re: windows problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:363/194.0 87862660 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 93-0144 -=> Quoting Gary Faucett to All <=- GF> I have a cracked window in my house, and I was wondering how hard it GF> would be to replace it myself. The frame around the window is aluminum GF> not wood and I cannot tell how to get the window out. Any ideas? Hello Gary.... Happy Holidays..... 8-) You're asking how to get the window out ? Or how to replace the glass yourself? If it is insulated glass then its best to let them install it. But if it is a single piece of glass then lets get to work. 1st; I have been a window and sliding door service man for a while now and I have seen ALL kinds of windows and some are easier then others to fix. I have given you all the information you'll need to replace the glass below. It isn't as difficult as it seems and if you follow what I say you won't have a bit of trouble. (for a basic aluminum window). You don't have to remove the window to replace the glass. You failed to mention if the glass was held in by plastic or Aluminum beading. I suggest you put on some leather gloves so you don't cut yourself while doing this. In any case take a putty knife and gently force it between the glass and the beading or at the bottom edge of the beading and pop it loose. Don't worry about damaging it, you should replace it with new. Know that you have removed the beading around the piece of glass that you want to replace. remove the glass. (You might try with a putty knife from the inside or from the outside take a torch and warm up the glass to soften the putty) Don't worry about breaking the glass.... Its already cracked.... Right ? Ok. Now clean the chaulking from the frame and be real sure you have all the glass pieces and even slivers removed from the frame, if not, you WILL crack the new piece you put in when you put the new beading in. Know run down to the nearest window shop and bring a piece of the glass (in case you don't know whether it is single or double strength glass) and a piece of the beading with you (preferably a piece not too mangled up so they can match it.) And don't forget to get the measurements you'll have 1/8 - 3/16 to play with your measurements and get yourself a tube of caulking (white latex! Don't use silicon! you'll regret it if you have to ever replace the piece of glass). Now taking for granted you have accomplished all this so far, stick the glass in the hole to see if they cut it right. If all's well then pull the glass back out and put some caulking out the frame where you clean the old. Put bead of caulking about the thickness of a pencil. Then put your glass in, gently push the glass evenly so it seats its self nicely. (Don't worry about the excess caulking on the inside of the window, you can trim the excess with a razor knife after it has cured. Now cut your beading to length doing the top and the bottom first and cutting the ends of the sides on a 45 deg. and snap them in and your done. Good luck Andy Soucy Mod of RN-FIXIT Orlando, fla. ... If it works, rip it apart and find out why! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: P/G - Orlando, FL (407)657-8801,(407)657-0983 (1:363/194.0) @PATH: 363/194 118 157 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (659) Wed 28 Dec 94 1:09 By: Ken Jones To: Cal Clift Re: Creature comfort problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I tried to send you netmail, but you can go ahead and ask me questions > here, if you like. If it is off topic, we can go to netmail later. > Cal Sorry it took so long to reply, but things have been a little strange here. It looks like its going to be ok to talk here, based on some of the other messages to me. What I have is a fairly new house (3 years) here in Keller, Tx. (17 or so miles north of Ft. Worth). It has central heat and air, and 1 room that is cold in the winter and burns up in the summer. The rest of the house is fine, it's just the one room with the problem, of course it has to be the master bedroom! Just a real quick rundown of the layout. The house is 1750 sq feet, brick (mostly tan color), tan composition roof The heating unit is located in the garage in its own closet (shared by the water heater) on the S/W corner of the house. The cooling unit is on the north side of the house, it's shaded untill late afternoon. it's about a 30' run to the evaporator. I think it's a 3 ton 8 seer ? rating. The master bedroom is located on the n/e side of the house with a short (10 foot) south outside wall. Along with a east and north outside wall. The flow of air out of the only register in the room is good I think? It can be felt from about 10 feet away. When we first moved in their wasn't enough flow to feel from 6 inches away. My wife rode their back so much that the feed for the room was re-done, by making the room its own feed ( before it was shared with the livingroom) and increasing the size of the tube. This helped but it still has problems. What I was thinking of doing was taking out the convoluted tube and put in a solid wall pipe on just that run. I think the run is just so long that the air is just losing its punch by the time it gets there, I feel that the convoluted tubing is causing a swirling and venturi effect. Can the metal tubing be mixed with the plastic? I'm open for ideas. The fixes are going to be slow though. I herniated 2 disks in September, so I'm not up to speed for crawling around in the attic much. I'm still trying to avoid the knife, but the MRI, CAT scan and milagram all say "Yep you trashed your back now what!" Well talk to you later --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (672) Tue 27 Dec 94 12:19 By: Brian Murrey To: John Kelly Re: Herbs and Ginseng ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EF96EC2 In a message to All <12-21-94 01:26> John Kelly wrote: > I'm looking for info on cultivation of ginseng and a seed source. Any > help appreciated. J.K. Hi John, In the Jan 1995 issue of Organic Gardening, there is an ad reading as follows: 300+ Varieties Herb Seeds (Ginseng), Hops, Plants. Exceptional 52 page color catalog available for $2.00 (refundable). Folklore, history, uses, and a recipe section. The Thyme Garden 20546-O Alsea Highway Alsea Oregon 97324 I've never dealt with them in person. Good Luck. --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (673) Tue 27 Dec 94 12:26 By: Brian Murrey To: Mark Rogers Re: Re: Paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EF97081 In a message to Alan Hess <12-19-94 18:21> Mark Rogers wrote: > I too am thinking of growing paw-paws (custard apple). I have read > they > do need a partner for pollination. They grow about thiry feet tall. I've got a single Paw Paw tree in my backyard that was transplanted here from Tennesee about 15 years ago. It doesn't have a partner anywhere near here that I can find and it bears a ton of fruit (if you can call it that) every year the frost doesn't kill the blooms. The tree sits on the edge of our patio and in the summer it provides wonderful shade to the sitting area. > Have you ever tasted a fruit from one ?? I havn't but for some I have never seen the fruit sold commercially around here (central Indiana) and I have eaten a few of ours. I'm no fan of eating Paw Paw fruit but they tasted OK. You might also try growing persimmon trees. Now those are tasty! --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (674) Tue 27 Dec 94 12:28 By: Brian Murrey To: Alan Hess Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EF970D9 In a message to Nancy Griffin <12-23-94 20:12> Alan Hess wrote: > Darn shame Momma Nature doesn't have one of those for poison ivy and > kudzu. *adh* Lucky us! Imagine how big and how fast a Kudzu eating bug would be?!! --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (675) Tue 27 Dec 94 14:12 By: Brian Murrey To: John Kelly Re: Ginseng ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EF98963 Hi John, I found this in rec.gardens on the internet. >: What is the best source of information about growing and harvesting >: Ginseng? I was given this name last year, but got tooo busy, and never wrote for info... the catalog costs $2... has anybody done business with: Hsu's Ginseng Enterprises, Inc. P.O. Box 509 Wausaw, WI 54402 -0509 This is supposedly a family business which specializes in Ginseng... seed & rootlets are available for several species. --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (676) Wed 28 Dec 94 11:31 By: Dennis Soper To: Alan Chong Re: Re: Cleaning Hardwood Floors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @EID:e105 2f01bf38 >Are there special products or household tips for cleaning hardwood >floors/keeping them less dusty? I used to install hardwood and can give you a couple of tips. First, NEVER use a dustmop! Splinters can catch in the fibres and (especially in the case of plank) rip big slivers of wood out of the floor. Don't use an upright vaccuum. I use a shop vac with a squeegee attachment. If your floor is finished with polyurethane, damp mop with mild detergent (the people who make Varathane recommend Murphy's Oil Soap). If you have an older type floor finish, you need to contact a hardwood refinisher or installer and figure out what type of finish you have (varnish, oil, or plastic) and then go from there. Good luck and enjoy your beautiful floors. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Dr Rom II BBS (1:152/29.0) @PATH: 152/29 3 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (677) Tue 27 Dec 94 5:55 By: Pat Stockett To: Robby Crownover Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 87866A0F @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 Hi Robby! RC>OTOH, I hear that goats are quite fond of poison ivy and kudzu. And roses and hollyhock and just about any garden plant you really like. Been there. Done that. Got rid of the goat. :-) They're nearly impossible to keep in a pasture. Unless it's a cage. -Pat * QMPro 1.0 90-8356 * New Jersey, The Garden State --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: The Magic Dominion 1:107/614 n.j. 908-583-7894 28.8 (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (678) Wed 28 Dec 94 9:50 By: Jesse Tharin To: All Re: corn fungus? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 549fd27a While digging up last fall's corn areas yesterday I noticed large areas of soil, a few inches to ten inches or so down, were thoroughly infused with a white granular texture, much like sand but soft and not at all cohesive but dispersed. I think it's a fungus and it's only where there was corn last summer and fall. Other than the obvious rule of "don't you dare plant corn here again!", what's going on? Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (679) Tue 27 Dec 94 20:14 By: Brian Murrey To: All Re: Free Catalogs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EF8DE26 Where to get FREE Seed and Garden Catalogs ========================================== Seymour's Selected Seeds Totally Tomatoes Dept 41, PO Box 1346 Dept 22, PO Box 1626 Sussex, VA 23884-0346 Augusta, GA 30903 Vermont Bean Seed Co. R.H. Shumway Seedsman 71 Garden Ln. PO Box 1-NC Fair Haven, VT 05743 Graniteville, SC 29829 (803)663-9771 Park Seed Co. Peaceable Kingdom School Cokesbury Rd, PO Box 46 PO Box 2209 Greenwood, SC 29648-0046 Grass Valley, CA 95945 (800)845-3369 (916)272-4769 Burpee Seed Company Bountiful Gardens PO Box 5114 18001 Shafer Ranch Rd. Warminster, PA 18974-4818 Willits, CA 95490 (800)888-1447 (707)459-6410 Abundant Life Seed Foundation The Cooks Garden PO Box 772 PO Box 53528 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Londonderry, VT 05148 (206)385-5660 (802)824-3400 De Giorgi Seed Co. Filaree Productions 6011 N St. RR 2 Box 162 Omaha, NE 68117 Okanogan, WA 98840 (402)731-3901 (509)422-6940 Garden City Seeds Johnny's Selected Seeds 1324 Red Crow Rd. 310 Foss Hill Rd - Dept 202 Victor, MT 59875 Albion, ME 04910-9731 (406)961-4837 (207)437-4301 Nichols Garden Nursery Pinetree Garden Seeds 1190 N. Pacific Highway PO Box 300 Route 100 Albany, OR 97321 New Gloucester, ME 04260 (503)928-9280 (207)926-3400 Ronniger's Seed Potatoes Seeds of Change Star Route 80 PO Box 15700 Moyie Springs, ID 83845 Santa Fe, NM 87506 (505)983-8956 Shepard's Garden Seeds Stokes Seeds Inc. 30 Irene St. Box 548 Torrington, CT 06793 Buffalo, NY 14240 (408)335-6910 (905)688-4300 Tomato Growers Supply Gardener's Supply Company PO Box 2237 Dept COG15 - 128 Intervale Rd Ft. Myers, FL 33902 Burlington, VT 05401-2850 (813)768-1119 (802)863-1700 Worm's Way Peaceful Valley Farm Supply 3151 S. Highway 446 PO Box 2209 #OG Bloomington, IN 47401 Grass Valley, CA 95945 (800)274-9676 (916)272-4769 Brittingham Plant Farms J.W. Jung Seed Co. Dept OG25 - PO Box 2538 Box A3645 Salisbury, MD 21802 Randolph, WI 53957 (410)749-5153 --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (681) Wed 28 Dec 94 20:25 By: Tom Megow To: Mark Kemp Re: Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.02 b10Hr MK > I don't have any info for you about availability, but we grew some this yea > from a plant a friend found at some local nursery. Do you know anything mo > about the plant, such as latin name, uses, etc.? The leaves did smell like > cilantro, but not knowing anything about it, I didn't use any. > TM> Mark I know nothing about it except that it is supposed to be a cilantro substitute that is a pereinnal unlike cilantro.I can never get enough cilantro grown by the time we are ready to put up ower supply of salsa. Someone in the internet suggestted trying V.coriander.(You know> cilantro seeds are called coriander where used for seasoning) * JABBER v1.1 * And God said: E = «mvý - Zeý/r ...and there *WAS* light! --- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] * Origin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) @PATH: 3645/10 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (682) Tue 20 Dec 94 15:50 By: Sharon Allsup To: All Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef743a0 For those who were wondering what happened to the HOME-N-GRDN echo, and where it stands now, here's a summary: The previous moderator, Bob Germer, requested that all of his echos be removed from Fidonet distribution. Although he kept the HOME-N-GRDN ELIST entry active, the echo was effectively split cut off at the Zone 8 (RBBS-Net) <> Fidonet gateway and no longer existed in Fidonet. A great deal of netmail was exchanged between sysops and the various backbone administrative folks trying to keep a "Homes & Gardens" style echo forum on the backbone or start a new one. Now that Germer had given up the Fidonet distribution, the echotag was available for re-use on our side of the gateway. A new ELIST entry was created using the same echotag (by accident, two new entries were created; Adrian has since deleted his). Adrian Walker, then Acting Z1EC, allowed the new HOME-N-GRDN to bypass the usual REC & node count requirements and go directly onto the backbone. It's taken several weeks of work and tracking by innumerable sysops and hubs (you all deserve congratulations) to restore the distribution paths within Fidonet for the echo. The almost 400 boards that receive this echo, and their feeds, did not have any warning when the echo was dropped and that simply added to the confusion and disarray. AIGH! But it's over with now and we're flowing again. As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? Questions? Comments? :w! --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (683) Tue 20 Dec 94 21:55 By: Sharon Allsup To: Gary Gilmore Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef7992a Hi Gary, good to have you back! GG> I'm planning on ripping out ALL the grass, front & GG> back, sodding the front, and seeding the back (cheap GG> way out) after laying down a new layer of topsoil to GG> "re-energize" the soil. If you haven't already done it, instead of straight topsoil try a 50/50 mix of topsoil and finished compost. If you're going to mix in the new layer with the existing ground then you can go to 75-100% compost. It will do wonders for the new sod, and there's nothing like a load of composted manure to provide a long-term slow-release fertilizer. GG> I'd like to do *some* landscaping at the same time, but GG> just don't know what to do with it. The back is small, GG> and centered is a real nice magnolia (odd this far GG> north, but I love it), so there's not much I can do, Compost around the magnolia, aerate its soil and stand out of the way? ;) How about small crescent-shaped beds along the perimeter of the yard? --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (684) Tue 20 Dec 94 22:57 By: Sharon Allsup To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef7a7bc > I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea > about KJ> KJ> Can I talk with you about heating and cooling problems KJ> I'm having here? Is there a better echo for it than KJ> this. I don't think the folks here really want to read KJ> about my creature comfort problems. Hey Ken, heating and cooling problems certainly fall under the 'home' part of HOME-N-GRDN. Go for it. Besides, I live in Keller, too, (Westlake on the map but Roanoke mailing address) and may benefit by lurking in on your discussion. If you're on the Co-Op's power, invest in a good UPS/power conditioner. They don't have blackouts often, but every thunderstorm or windy day has a number of flickers and brownouts. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (689) Thu 29 Dec 94 21:10 By: Lawrence London To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Local Sent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.502 b594e33e @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2ef743a0 @PID: FM 2.02 > For those who were wondering what happened to the HOME-N- > GRDN echo, and where it stands now, here's a summary: text deleted > Adrian Walker, then Acting Z1EC, allowed the new HOME-N-GRDN to bypass > the usual REC & node count requirements and go directly onto the backbone. text deleted > As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't > intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still > apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI > pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's > about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? > Questions? Comments? Simply, congratulations, to you and others who contributed toward keeping this great echo alive and well. H & G has been a great resource for many years. Lawrence London Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo Internet: london@sunSITE.unc.edu > :w! > --- Maximus 2.02 > * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) --- * Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo (1:3641/1.502) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (695) Wed 28 Dec 94 18:07 By: Ted Christensen To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: Hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/15.0 2f01efb8 Hi! Post to an echo and your message gets ALL over! It's snowing today, though the ground was almost bare for Xmas and it's about 15 above F. Can get much colder, though, down to -40. My wife and I are quite interested in water gardening. Have a couple of pools were we grow water lilies and such. Also a vegetable garden, roses, perennials, annual flowers, and a few hardy grape vines. We have to choose hardy, quick growing varieties (average of 100 days between frosts) but there is a lot of things we can grow during the summer. The up side is that we have much less trouble with insects and disease. Our winters take care of a lot of them. Nice hearing from you. Happy New Year! Ted --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The International 6+Gig Saskatoon,Sk.CANADA(306)384-7685 (1:140/15) @PATH: 140/15 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (710) Thu 29 Dec 94 10:01 By: Mark Kemp To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @EID:48ee 2f02f9c7 AH> NG> Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillar/Worm. LF> Hey, are they any good for fishing? Yes, but you have to outfit them with really tiny fishing poles. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Dr Rom BBS (1:152/21.0) @PATH: 152/21 22 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (733) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:49 By: Sharon Allsup To: Karin Brewer Re: Amaryllis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f035918 @REPLY: 1:387/403 877F778D KB> My mom used to just keep on watering as before until such time KB> as all the leaves had withered. Then, she let the plant rest, and start KB> watering again after several months, say in August or thereabouts. Some KB> would bloom again, but never with blossoms quite as big as the first KB> time round. Maybe she should have added a particular fertilizer. Fertilizer will certainly help if the bulb is to be used for the next season. Keep fertilizing after the bloom, since it's the greening period when most nutrients for next year are being manufactured and shipped down to the bulb for storage. She might also have been experiencing "bulb burnout", when a bulb doesn't get a chilly (or long enough) dormant period to fully recharge for the next year. Here in North-Central Texas, lots of bulbs will do beautifully the first year and then go seriously downhill in subsequent seasons unless they're dug up and refrigerated. Our winters are usually too mild for many Northern bulbs to have a good, solid winter's sleep. The info sources for the above are mixed garden club members and ES speakers. I asked about best bulb varieties for our weather and got the same lecture. The yard is full of iris and obviously bulb-type stems; we didn't see and buy the place until after blooming, so all I've seen so far are the fall-blooming spider lilies (GORGEOUS! WEIRD-LOOKING!). I'm dying of curiosity - what will these unknowns *be*, and what kind of blooms will we have. Answered your netmail, by the way. Thanks for pointing that out. I found a bunch of old messages that had not been sent out. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (734) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:32 By: Sharon Allsup To: Bill Mason Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f03550a BM> favor BT spray (Bacillus Thuringensis or something like that) as BM> the best solution. Find it at your local nursery/garden supply BM> store or failing that, a catalog, spray on leaves, whereupon they BM> will eat it & it infects their digestive tract so they can no longer BM> digest anything & die. It's completely harmless to everything BM> except the Tomato Hornworms. Bt is effective against almost all caterpillars. It is harmless to birds & most wildlife, which is why it's so popular as an organic method of pest control - but it will kill many types of caterpillars, not just the Tomato Hornworms. Not to denigrate your recommendation - if hand picking the monsters & squishing them dead isn't feasible, Bt is a good way to save the tomatoes without the hassle & residue of many insecticides. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (735) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:40 By: Sharon Allsup To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: plants to try out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f0356e6 @REPLY: 1:342/71 b2036561 NC> plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be annuals NC> or tender pereneals, as they would have to be very hardy to survive our NC> winters, Zone 3. My wife likes petunias (prefers dark purple) and NC> geramiuns [...] I don't know if they are Zone 3 survivable, but 4 o'clocks are pretty, fast-growing, bloom from summer until frost and will, as the quaint phrase goes, "reseed vigorously". We all know what that means. ;) If you want to experiment with them, send me your Snail-Mail address, I still have some seeds left to give away. These are purple, pink and white, unsorted tho. They like full sun to light shade. Some in heavy shade did OK because it was "dappled" shade. Have you checked with your local Extension Service? They're not just for farmers anymore. Many will have excellent advice on not only what species, but also what strains with a species, will do best in your area and when to plant. Get a soil test done ($10-35, at least get the pH and basic org content work; if the budget allows get indepth mineral/chemical content & cation exchange capacity) and that'll tell you whether what you want to plant there will need a bit of "help" to be fully happy. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (736) Thu 29 Dec 94 20:04 By: Sharon Allsup To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f035c98 @REPLY: 1:391/3020.0 878000BA (butting in on your exchange with Ken) CC> I tried to send you netmail, but you can go ahead and ask me questions CC> here, if you like. If it is off topic, we can go to netmail later. It's not off-topic. Moderator says so. SO THERE! This is Homes & Gardens, not just Gardens. It may only seem like a solid gardens echo because we gardeners would rather shovel 6 tons of uncomposted manure than work on the house. ;) I'd think a question on home thermostats would be quite in line with the echo's rules. Now advertising the thermostat, or someone's business to install heating systems, would fall under the no ads rule. There are also some echos better suited to some peripherally related topics: issues in buying a house or financing it may be more targeted for real estate or financing echos, even though the subject is a house. An electric generator question posted recently produced some answers that were very informative - I for one saved them to disk for later reference, and thank you to the people who offered advice. However, if the poster had asked about switching his entire house over to generated power permanently, I would have recommended they check out the backbone echo devoted solely to just that topic. But it wouldn't have been an Official Moderator Warning!!! There will be a rules posting shortly. (Translation: I wanna finish getting caught up on the mail that piled up during vacation) Other than seeing if I can slice them down to less than one screen's worth, I don't foresee any substantive changes. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (760) Thu 29 Dec 94 13:47 By: Richard Rose To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2f032628 SA> As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't SA> intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still SA> apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, SA> encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We Thanks Sharon. This board just picked up the echo recently, so I never realized it was down. Gardening is my favorite past time (and occupation for that matter) so I was excited to get this echo. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (761) Thu 29 Dec 94 17:04 By: Larry Besel To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rSr @TID: FastEcho 1.40 7102 I'm from Dalton, GA. It's about 30 miles south of Chattanooga TN and 90 miles north of Atlanta. Our local economy is based upon carpet manufacturing, mild winters (occasional freeze) with ridge and valley topography. Really looking forward to the new year, hope your's is great! 12/29/94 5:10pm. ... Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters. --- * Origin: The Patriot BBS * (706) 695-8757 * Chatsworth, GA (1:3672/0) @PATH: 3672/0 133/1613 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (762) Wed 28 Dec 94 15:28 By: Morgan Wood To: Doreen Clancy Re: Tomatoes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:267/136.0 2f01842e @REPLY: 1:353/385.0 2eeb069a thanks for the info... sorry it took so long to answer. i haven`t been checking all my messages. blessings, morgan wood --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Access BBS * Ballston Spa, NY * 518-885-4192 (1:267/136) @PATH: 267/136 200 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (767) Fri 30 Dec 94 10:01 By: Jesse Tharin To: Ronald Clime Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54a2780a @REPLY: 1:3639/55.0 8785630B > -- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] > * 0rigin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) > -- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 > * 0rigin: SouBaptist Net, Greenville, S.C (803) 370-2997 (1:3639/55.0) Ronald, you're generating new dupes. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (768) Fri 30 Dec 94 19:40 By: Peter Becker To: All Re: Peonies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2201/38.666 2f0463f3 @PID: GED B1207 1025 My peonies are old. Maybe in the neighborhood of 50 - 60 years. Twenty years in our garden alone. But they are getting kinda scraggly. Just not as pretty as they were in the past. The flowers are not as big. The foliage not as much. What can I do to revitalize them? There was an old song that had as a line... ..."but the peony bush in my garden. made you turn around and smile at me." I don't have those kind of peonies anymore and I want them back. Pete --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Peter's Precarious Point (peterbecker@delphi.com) (1:2201/38.666) @PATH: 2201/38 200 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (769) Fri 30 Dec 94 23:16 By: Doug Swanson To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2f0494de Unfortunately, the are big, juicy and full of tomatoe goo. No self-respecting fish would touch one. And when you put the hook in, the green goop runs out and they go down like a popped balloon. Yucky bait. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (774) Wed 28 Dec 94 20:12 By: Susan Delisle To: Doreen Clancy Re: Tomatoes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:249/120.0 2f020d16 @REPLY: 1:353/385.0 2eeb069a DC> Hi, I learned something last season that my tomatoes need. If they get DC> stressed (e.g. sudden heat) they need to draw up calcium. My favourite DC> local expert said she knew it sounded nuts to get special tomato DC> fertilizer but now used it herself as it definitely prevented problems. DC> This contains the calcium and is sold in small jars in plant nurseries. DC> I'm going to use it next year. And if your cheap like me, just ground up your eggshells and dig that in around the roots. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Albion's Refuge (1:249/120) @PATH: 249/120 200 99 12/12 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (775) Fri 30 Dec 94 8:32 By: Basil Barnes To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 20 Dec 94 15:50:40, Sharon Allsup wrote: SA> As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't intend SA> to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still apply: stay SA> on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, encrypted SA> messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We really don't SA> NEED lots of restrictions, do we? SA> Questions? Comments? People who garden and are interested in their homes generally don't have the inclination to flame, I believe. The messages are interesting and useful even to us Zone 2 people up north! The growing season is so short up here that the plants have adapted by growing faster ... trouble is that the rustling at night as the plants grow keeps us awake! I'll never forget the troubles we had one year with an exceptionally long growing season (3 weeks instead of the usual 2 weeks) combined with an unusually active pumpkin vine ... :-) This echo is truly an oasis of enjoyment to read ... if you'll excuse the expression! ;-) Thanks to everybody for keeping it alive. --- Any Sysop who makes an absolute statement is a fool. --- DLG Pro v1.0/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (791) Sun 25 Dec 94 17:46 By: Cal Clift To: Doreen Clancy Re: Re: Thermostat suggestio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 878900BC @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0806 In a message dated 12-21-94 DOREEN CLANCY wrote to CAL CLIFT: DC> Thanks Cal. I thought the furnace (gas) and thermostat (Transtronic) DC> were somehow coordinated. Appreciate your explanation. The thermostat DC> has a pinhole marked Cal, I'm guessing this is for calibration. On DC> installation the furnacemen checked it to ensure it coincided with DC> the furnace. I have the temperature set for 23 Celsius. It cuts in at DC> 21. DC> (Each degree Celsius is about 1.5 degrees F.) I wonder about its DC> readings because in just moments of heating the thermostat is showing DC> 21, 25, 21, 25, 23 and then cuts out. There's no heat vents there, DC> it's down a hallway, so no drafts really. There's no way it's reached DC> 25 degrees in the hall. I tried taping around the thermostat to DC> eliminate drafts but no change. When I've cooled the house down while DC> away or at night it seems to keep doing this, cutting in & out, in & DC> out, until it reaches the 23 degree temperature range then seems to DC> settle down, not cutting in as often. When I'm trying to raise the DC> temperature after cooling the house I'd like it just to cut in and DC> stay on for awhile instead of this in & out business that can go on DC> for an hour or more. DC> I reposted all your answer for other's info. Usually I just quote a DC> few lines but I thought many northerners would like the info. I've DC> printed out your message. Thanks again. Ciao, Don't get the "Thermostat" and the "thermometer", that is put on the case of most thermostats, mixed up. The thermostat (that dial that shows the temperature right now) in most thermostats has no connection with the operation of the thermostat (this is the the case in all but digital thermostats). A second cause of the problem that you posted could be if the "on" and "off" temperature of your fan switch ( that switch that brings on the furnace fan after a certain amount of heat has built up ) are set too close together. Typically there are three pointers on the fan switch. 1) the lowest setting about 110 degrees Fahrenheit, is the fan off switch. 2) the next setting is the fan on switch. 3) the third is a high temp. limit switch, which shuts down the furnace if it gets too hot. NEVER ROTATE THE SWITCH,ONLY MOVE THE POINTERS. NEVER RESET THE HIGH LIMIT SWITCH. If the fan on and the fan off switches are too close together, the fan will come on, cool the furnace down below the off setting and the fan will go off. For safety sake reset the lower pointer. You can try the above if the furnace fan goes off, and on but the burner stays on. BTW: if you have a set back thermostat you should decided if it is really neccesary. CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (792) Fri 30 Dec 94 10:50 By: Cal Clift To: Ken Jones Re: Creature comfort problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 878900BD @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0806 In a message dated 12-28-94 KEN JONES wrote to CAL CLIFT: KJ> When we first moved in their wasn't enough flow to feel from 6 inches KJ> away. My wife rode their back so much that the feed for the room was KJ> re-done, by making the room its own feed ( before it was shared with KJ> the livingroom) and increasing the size of the tube. This helped but KJ> it still has problems. KJ> What I was thinking of doing was taking out the convoluted tube and KJ> put in a solid wall pipe on just that run. I think the run is just so KJ> long that the air is just losing its punch by the time it gets there, KJ> I feel that the convoluted tubing is causing a swirling and venturi KJ> effect. Can the metal tubing be mixed with the plastic? Ciao, I don't think I would want to use plastic pipe for heating/AC ductwork, indoor air quality can be a problem and I don't know what kind of gases plastic pipe would give off when it is heated. It is possible that you could be waking up with headraces or other problems. If I am understanding you properly (room is on the north east house with a short south wall) this room sticks out from the house. You should check the following: 1) That this new duct, that was installed by the contractor, is insulated, if there is any doubt about this just wrap the duct with insulation batts using nails for "pins" to hold it around the duct, you can not get too much insulation on duct work. The duct should actualy have insulation covered by a vapor barrier the above is some Arkenigering. 2) Make sure that there is a way for air to return from this bedroom to the return air grill. I have seen rooms that have had thick carpet in them that meet the bottom of the door, when the air flow was checked the supply was fine, but when the door was closed, the room would pressurize and the conditioned air would just go to an easer room. CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (794) Fri 30 Dec 94 17:00 By: Ken Greene To: All Re: Joining IN! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: BWTAG 3.05 [Eval] @MSGID: 1:106/4015.0 2f043d27 The Two Garden's of Houston Texas now add this area to it's Fidonet Message Bases. Moderator Please send or post Rules for this Echo? Ken Greene ... Fun, fun, fun, 'til her daddy takes her Blue Wave away! --- FMail/386 0.98 * Origin: 713-556-9167 556-6310 (1:106/4015) @PATH: 106/4015 2001 2000 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (813) Sun 1 Jan 95 1:34 By: Alan Boyd To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 79470 @MSGID: 1:379/1 54a4a41c @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2ef743a0 hello Sharon... seems i missed the boat...on the change...hopefully..my hub will be getting the feed soon...thanks for the netmail...message really missed this echo...even if i lurked..... hopefully the SML-BBS will be carring this echo once again... Alan boyd --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 22gig! 30 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) @PATH: 379/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (815) Sat 31 Dec 94 18:24 By: Bill Mason To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SA> Bt is effective against almost all caterpillars. It is SA> harmless to birds & most wildlife, which is why it's so popular as SA> an organic method of pest control - but it will kill many types of SA> caterpillars, not just the Tomato Hornworms. Ah, so careful and selective spraying would definitely be in order. SA> Not to denigrate your recommendation - if hand picking the SA> monsters & squishing them dead isn't feasible, Bt is a good way to SA> save the tomatoes without the hassle & residue of many insecticides. No problem...I don't really know much about it, but I'd seen so many messages about it earlier that I guess I couldn't contain my amusement over another aghast SOS (or SOT) from someone just discovering tomato hornworms. From all the replies this time around, it does look like hand-picking and squishing may even be quite a bit easier and faster than getting out and finding a place that has Bt spray anyway. I guess it must be more useful for infestations of numerous small caterpillars than a few big fat ones. --Bill**** --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (859) Sun 1 Jan 95 19:42 By: Sheryl Moore To: Peter Becker Re: Peonies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 1094406a i know peonies don't like to be moved,but could it be the soil is worn out there after all those years?maybe moving them to a fresh sight and hard pruning might revitilize them.or you could call wayside gardens and ask them..1-800-845-1124 is their order line,maybe they can direct you to someone .good luck. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (861) Sun 1 Jan 95 0:57 By: Ken Jones To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Creature comfort problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > KJ> What I was thinking of doing was taking out the convoluted tube and > KJ> put in a solid wall pipe on just that run. I think the run is just > I don't think I would want to use plastic pipe for heating/AC ductwork, > indoor air quality can be a problem and I don't know what kind of gases > plastic pipe would give off when it is heated. It is possible that you > could > be waking up with headraces or other problems. The whole house is the flex plastic pipe (its just the way they do them here) there is the batting over the pipes with the silver type foil paper on it. What I see seems to be very secure. When the heat comes on it does puff the cold air out of the pipe for a few seconds, but it does climb to full heat in that amount of time. > If I am understanding you properly (room is on the north east house with > a > short south wall) this room sticks out from the house. You should check > the Correct let me try a outline here. South /\ | | __________________________________________ | | | | | | | | | | | | | heater | | _______________| | | | | | | | ________ | | | | ___________ | | inlet | | | | bedroom | | | |___________________________________________| > 2)Make sure that there is a way for air to return from this bedroom to > the > return air grill. I have seen rooms that have had thick carpet in them > that > meet the bottom of the door, when the air flow was checked the supply was > fine, but when the door was closed, the room would pressurize and the > conditioned air would just go to an easer room. We usally have all doors open, we have a cat and 2 small dogs that roam the house at night. I did block off a couple of vents in the rest of the house. The living room had 2 the kitchen 2, and the dining room 2 I blocked them off with a cardboard insert at the outlet. To cut them back to 1 vent each, it seemed to help the overall comfort in all rooms ( there is nolonger hot and cold patches in the house) My wife checked with some of the other neighbors down the street and they all have the same problem. At first I thought we had over insulated. We took the ceilings from r26 to r30 walls from r11 to r13 (thick as we could go with 2x4 studs) The heater just lopes along to heat this house. It was supposed to have a 20k btu unit. They were out of stock so a 30k btu was put in. Sorry I need to stop for now I'll pick it up again in a bit. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (862) Sun 1 Jan 95 1:00 By: Ken Jones To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Thermostat suggestio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DC> 25 degrees in the hall. I tried taping around the thermostat to > DC> eliminate drafts but no change. When I've cooled the house down > while Could your draft be comming from inside the wall. You might try unmounting it and see if there is air comming out the hole the wires feed through. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (863) Sat 31 Dec 94 19:35 By: Sharon Allsup To: Alan Hess Re: Paw-paw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f05f8c4 @REPLY: 1:261/1000 4c4d7810 MR> Have you ever tasted a fruit from one ?? I havn't but for some MR> reason I still want to grow them. Would you know off-hand MR> where I may get the friut from?? AH> I've never tasted one - the description in a garden AH> catalog interested me. I can't guess where to buy the fruit. *adh* Sometimes they can be found in gourmet or natural food stores. Try Fresh Fields or the little hole-in-the-wall natural foods or Co-Ops. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (864) Sat 31 Dec 94 19:50 By: Sharon Allsup To: Tom Megow Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f05fc3e TM> I need to find a source (hopefully in the S.E.) for TM> vietnamese coriander.I live in lower zone 8,Will it do TM> well here?TIA Plain old coriander does well in the south. I've never heard of Vietnamese coriander but have a late fall transplant of the regular variety that is doing well (very mild Ft Worth winter). You can usually find it in nurseries and catalogs, often under the name Cilantro. Coriander the spice is the ground-up seed of Cilantro the plant. It likes sun and a nitrogen-rich soil will give you lush leaf growth (harvest & dry the leaves for chili & salsa spicing). Eventually it will bolt when summer heat comes on. The seeds are VERY fragrant and strong when just harvested! *grin* 1995 seed catalogs are coming in fast and furious now. If I see an entry for a "Vietnamese" coriander/cilantro I'll pass it on to you. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (866) Sat 31 Dec 94 17:25 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: plants to try out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Dec. 29th Sharon wrote; SA> I don't know if they are Zone 3 survivable, but 4 o'clocks are SA> pretty, fast-growing, bloom from summer until frost and will, as the SA> quaint phrase goes, "reseed vigorously". We all know what that means. SA> If you want to experiment with them, send me your Snail-Mail address, I SA> still have some seeds left to give away. These are purple, pink and SA> white, unsorted tho. They like full sun to light shade. Some in heavy SA> shade did OK because it was "dappled" shade. Hi ho; and happy new year! The wife says sure, we will give them a whirl. It should be a interesting year, as we (usually me) will be trying out a few experiments, the flower beds and pots wont know what hit them. As she plants them and I tend them most of the time. But heres the addrress: Nolan & Rochelle Chamczuk Box 308 BonAccord, AB T0A-0K0. Canada If you want I can send you some seed back, I collected lots of petunia, and potulaca seed this year, they too love to re-seed vigorously but in the great white north the seed wont survive the winter, so I collect instead. TTYL.... Nolan. * Q-Blue 1.0 [NR] * --- DlgQWK v0.71a/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (867) Sun 1 Jan 95 21:56 By: Sharon Allsup To: Ken Jones Re: Cutting Electric Bills ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f076b50 KJ> The co-op is ok I guess, I dom't really have a thing to KJ> compare it to. In California gas and elect was dumped KJ> in one bill. But both were never as high as just elect KJ> is here. I never had a PG&E bill break $90. and never KJ> had a water bill over $20. The electric *rate* seems to be 6.8-7.1c pkh (hasn't been fixed on the last few bills); I don't remember if it is on par with other areas of the country. If it helps any, your city water bill includes trash pickup (and sewer, if you're not on septic). One thing that IS for sure - few of the homes in this area have anywhere near decent energy conservation features! In our househunting last summer we saw endless walls of lovely picture windows and triple-wide sliding glass doors. Very VERY few of them were anything other than a single pane with no protection. Even our current house has only storm windows for the lower panes and nothing for the upper ones. It leaks heat like you wouldn't believe. The view of the wooded backyard is lovely. Feeling the chill radiating out from those broad expanses of unprotected glass isn't. There is a *hole* in the joint of the patio door - time to get out the caulking gun. Only the newer houses, and those recently remodelled, had insulated windows. Attics seldom have more than a token layer of insulation. grr. With months of blistering summer heat, followed by a winter in housing that offers little protection from heat loss, no wonder Texans go through an incredible amount of KWH's. In Virginia we cut down on the summer AC a great deal by replacing the semi-sheer (but pretty) vertical blinds in our larger picture windows with vertical blinds made of the opaque PCV-type vinyl. The solid ones blocked sun and turned the room into a cave even in midafternoon (big disadvantage). But the entire downstairs was noticeably cooler and electric bill much less. The curtains were about $300 for both a standard sliding patio door and large window. An added advantage for us at least was that the cats could not pull them down like the others because they couldn't get a grip on the smooth plastic. ;) New paint, wallpaper, carpet, and energy-efficient windows. My New Year's Resolution is to do at least 2 of the 4 by next New Year's. Without going bankrupt or getting divorced. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (868) Sun 1 Jan 95 22:19 By: Sharon Allsup To: Richard Rose Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f0770a4 @REPLY: 1:2245/101.0 2f032628 RR> Thanks Sharon. This board just picked up the echo recently, so I never RR> realized it was down. RR> Gardening is my favorite past time (and occupation for that matter) RR> so I was excited to get this echo. Gardening is your OCCUPATION? Do tell! (and welcome to the echo) --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (869) Sun 1 Jan 95 22:20 By: Sharon Allsup To: Basil Barnes Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f077110 BB> to us Zone 2 people up north! BB> The growing season is so short up here that the plants BB> have adapted by growing faster ... trouble is that the BB> rustling at night as the plants grow keeps us awake! BB> I'll never forget the troubles we had one year with an BB> exceptionally long growing season (3 weeks instead of BB> the usual 2 weeks) combined with an unusually active BB> pumpkin vine ... :-) hahahaha the mental image that brings to mind..... Pets & small children running in terror from enraged squash vines.. Nyahnyahnyah taunt taunt. We'll probably have the second real freeze of the season on Tuesday. This time I might actually believe the forecast since the birdfeeder has been mobbed all day, a sure sign of *something* about to happen weather-wise. It's already time to start the parsley and cabbage sets. Of course the price for 200+ frostfree days a year is tornados, summer scorchers, hail and heat bursts. There really are two short growing seasons in this area of Texas - spring & fall. Summer is too hot for most veggies. That's when we'll come visit you, OK? --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (870) Sun 1 Jan 95 22:30 By: Sharon Allsup To: Bill Mason Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f07733c SA> Bt is effective against almost all caterpillars. It is SA> harmless to birds & most wildlife, which is why it's so popular as SA> an organic method of pest control - but it will kill many types of SA> caterpillars, not just the Tomato Hornworms. BM> BM> Ah, so careful and selective spraying would definitely be in order. Yes. If you want to keep some of them around for turning into butterflies, raise a patch of Queen Anne's lace, fennel, or other sacrifice plant and move the caters over there. I'm trying to get locate/put together an article listing the nectar vs food plant preferences of butterflies & moths. Most have very specific needs. Even though the adults may nectar off many flowers from the garden, their larvae are restricted to a very few types of food plants, and that varies by species. BM> messages about it earlier that I guess I couldn't BM> contain my amusement over BM> another aghast SOS (or SOT) from someone just BM> discovering tomato hornworms. And I guess you were just the Joe Cool type when you first saw this wierdo monster chowing down on your prize t'maters? We can't all be complacent old pharts. ;) BM> From all the replies this time around, it does look like hand-picking and BM> squishing may even be quite a bit easier and faster than getting out and BM> finding a place that has Bt spray anyway. There is a bit of concern by some folks that continued use of Bt spray will eventually result in Bt-resistant strains of pests. Now *that's* scary! Personally, I prefer squishing them beneath my feet. So much more gratifying. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (885) Sat 31 Dec 94 0:06 By: Cathy Mcgregorsmith To: Jo Meyers Re: Re:canadian organic farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:231/710 2EFE0912 hi we are from canada as well.we have a good growing season from april to november.our farm is nestled in between the great lakes in southern ontario. we have 3 greenhouses to start transplants and early greens.we will be starting them in feb. we have very hot summers and usually very cold damp winters. we have a good size storeroom which enables us to have tons of organic produce to continue to sell vegetables throughout the winter. you can imagine fresh greens and asparagus tastes good in a few months. please tell me about your location and growing conditions. bye for now cathy.mcgregor@onlinesys.com --- QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Zeta-1) * Origin: ** H.O.M.E. BBS -- Where everyone is a hoe-er! ** (1:231/710) @PATH: 231/710 2880 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (886) Sat 31 Dec 94 0:13 By: Cathy Mcgregorsmith To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:231/710 2EFE0AA2 i used to work for agriculture canada in entomology (insects).one of my jobs was to rear TOMATO HORNWORMS.we had to make up artifical diet for them and re-create their life cycles and conditions. their real name is MANDUCA Quinquemaculata .......or MANDUCA (5 spots) Tobacco hornworms are MANDUCA sexta.......or Manduca (6 spots) just count the spots on the side of the adults body. bye for now cathy.mcgregor@onlinesys.com --- QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Zeta-1) * Origin: ** H.O.M.E. BBS -- Where everyone is a hoe-er! ** (1:231/710) @PATH: 231/710 2880 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (887) Sat 31 Dec 94 9:07 By: John Hartman To: Karin Brewer Re: Re: cactuses and other greens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.80 Zeta 1+ @MSGID: 1:231/230 2EFE87EC If you have a drafty window and like orchids, you might try some of the small dendrobiums. I got one in a local orchid club gift exchange a few years back that would not bloom for the original owner. One month later, in January, it sent out flower spikes. I had over 100 blooms on it at once! The window was very drafty and almost freezing. Something to consider. --- QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Zeta-1) * Origin: ORDOVICIAN OOZE *From Whence We All Emerged* (1:231/230) @PATH: 231/230 1500 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (888) Sat 31 Dec 94 9:12 By: John Hartman To: Bruce Bosdet Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.80 Zeta 1+ @MSGID: 1:231/230 2EFE88FA They are sphinx moth caterpillars. Another name is Tobacco Hornworm. The are easy to pick off and toss into the street where they make a great green splat. If they are covered with little white cocoons on their backs, leave them on the plant. The cocoons are parasitic wasps which have already killed the critter, except that he doesn't know it yet. --- QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Zeta-1) * Origin: ORDOVICIAN OOZE *From Whence We All Emerged* (1:231/230) @PATH: 231/230 1500 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (889) Sat 31 Dec 94 18:35 By: Brian Murrey To: John Hartman Re: hi guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.76- @MSGID: 1:231/30 2EFF0D09 In a message to Bruce Bosdet <12-31-94 09:12> John Hartman wrote: > They are sphinx moth caterpillars. Another name is Tobacco Hornworm. > The are easy to pick off and toss into the street where they make a > great green splat. If they are covered with little white cocoons on > their backs, leave them on the plant. The cocoons are parasitic > wasps which have already killed the critter, except that he doesn't > know it yet. Yummy. Hey John, are you still in seed savers? Would you by anychance have some Birdhouse Gourd seeds I could bum off ya? --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr * Origin: Take a trip and never leave the farm (1:231/30) @PATH: 231/30 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (892) Mon 2 Jan 95 12:55 By: Ken Jones To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Cutting Electric Bills ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > KJ> is here. I never had a PG&E bill break $90. and never > KJ> had a water bill over $20. > anywhere near decent energy conservation features! In our househunting > last summer we saw endless walls of lovely picture windows and We tried to go as efficient as we could afford at the time. Our house in California didn't sell so we had to do some serious purchase price changes. Like dropping the price range from $175,000 & $230,000 to $80,000 & $95,000. I think we did alright, we put more into energy upgrades than cosmetic upgrades. For a 1,750 sq. ft. house I think the utilities are overpriced. We pay on a average (36 months of history) Elect 84.57 per mo Water 64.02 Trash is included Gas 36.36 Tot. 184.95 per mo I'm used to paying less than 120 for all the above. But then again we had alot of hydro-elect and the snow runoff for water. So the expense of burning coal for the elect and using elect to pump water out of the ground wasn't there. Plus our natural gas was from Canada and Alaska, not sure where it comes from here. We also have a much different household now. Four adults with 4 different schedules, I think there is always someone awake in the house and it seems like the laundry is always going along with a shower or 2. We are looking into those dark screens for the windows. Havn't been out pricing them yet, but we are getting close. I really don't know if we will get to it here or not. We are trying to get in a good enough position to sell out in California and move North and West some, up into wise co. see if we can get the property taxes down any. That was another big shock moving here was taxes. We went from 1.03% per 100 to 2.13% per 100 moving to Keller. I really wouln't mind paying the taxes if they would just do something constructive with them. They just seem to waste them away and then ask for more. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (893) Fri 30 Dec 94 3:32 By: Basil Barnes To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rJ @TID: FastEcho 1.40 UNREG In a message dated 20 Dec 94 15:50:40, Sharon Allsup wrote: SA> As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't intend SA> to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still apply: stay SA> on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, encrypted SA> messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We really don't SA> NEED lots of restrictions, do we? SA> Questions? Comments? People who garden and are interested in their homes generally don't have the inclination to flame, I believe. The messages are interesting and useful even to us Zone 2 people up north! The growing season is so short up here that the plants have adapted by growing faster ... trouble is that the rustling at night as the plants grow keeps us awake! I'll never forget the troubles we had one year with an exceptionally long growing season (3 weeks instead of the usual 2 weeks) combined with an unusually active pumpkin vine ... :-) This echo is truly an oasis of enjoyment to read ... if you'll excuse the expression! ;-) Thanks to everybody for keeping it alive. Any Sysop who makes an absolute statement is a fool. --- ProBoard v2.01 [Reg] * Origin: Habersham Connection FIDO 1:3616/60 (1:3616/60) @PATH: 3616/60 3615/51 50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (900) Mon 2 Jan 95 18:34 By: Richard Rose To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2f08ae5f SA> Gardening is your OCCUPATION? Do tell! In a manner of speaking. I own a floral shop/garden center with my brother and father. We've been in business for 16 years. Our year-round line is floral, but in the spring we do a full line garden center. We have about 19,000 square feet of greenhouses. Right now we are starting the first shift of seedings, the Easter lilies are just out of cold storage, and soon we will be cutting geraniums. SA> (and welcome to the echo) Thanks. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (901) Mon 2 Jan 95 18:54 By: Richard Rose To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2f08ae60 SA> short growing seasons in this area of Texas - spring & fall. Summer is SA> too hot for most veggies. That's when we'll come visit you, OK? This is what gets me, I am struggling with getting my tomato plants in in early June while you people down south are talking about your first harvest. Shees. Maybe that would make a good echo rule- 1. No talking about harvests while people reading in colder climates are still waiting to plant, or engaging in any other conversation that would cause undue, intense jealousy by others. :) --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (906) Mon 2 Jan 95 20:42 By: Sharon Allsup To: All Re: HOME-N-GRDN Rules ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f08ab6e Required Posting of Echo Rules for the new HOME-N-GRDN echo: Here's what we are striving for: A congenial discussion forum about homes, maintenance & repair, gardening & landscaping. Here's what is not allowed: Topics other than the above, aliases aka handles, flames, profanity, rudeness, commercial ads, BBS ads, upper-order ASCII & fancy graphics, encrypted or encoded messages (this includes signatures). Miscellaneous other stuff: Most of the moderator-type messages will take place in netmail. Netmail me if you have a complaint or concern. Gating this echo to other zones is allowed with prior permission from the moderator. Moderator: Sharon Allsup, Fidonet 1:130/404 --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (907) Mon 2 Jan 95 20:57 By: Sharon Allsup To: All Re: SEEDSWAP Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f08aeee Earlier this year the HOME-N-GRDN echo had an active exchange of messages from people offering extra seeds to others. I'd like to see that start up again (the fact I'm hip-deep in 4-o'clock seeds has nothing to do with it *g*), but on a larger basis. Regular posts of supplies for free or trade invariably results in others posting for sale ads because the area starts to look like a For Sale are. Plus there are occassionally disputes. I don't want that to spill over or detract from the HOME-N-GRDN echo, so have ELISTed a new echo: SEEDSWAP - The Seed Exchange For user-to-user posts of seeds for trade or free ONLY. No catalogs, commercial entries, seeds for sale, solicitations, high postage/handling charges, or offers other than free or swap. Users are strongly encouraged to use netmail and common sense in the finalizing of any trade. This is envisioned as an extension of the Backboned HOME-N-GRDN echo, and indepth discussion of the growing requirements should take place in that echo if at all possible. SEEDSWAP will be backboned if interest and distribution warrant. What I envision is an electronic equivalent of the Seed Swap listings _Organic Gardening_ Magazine. Given the distribution of this echo, if even 1/10th of the sysops want to carry SEEDSWAP in addition to HOME-N-GRDN we will have it backboned in less than a month. For the first couple of months, I will help hub to cut down on the Long Dist.; (I'll also shamelessly try to get you to pick up CLASSICAL and BIRDING echos also distributed from here *grin*). If you're interested, please netmail me - or forward this message to your sysop (and ask politely. Sysops are busy people). If you hate the idea, or want to swap your seeds in here, let me know. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (940) Tue 3 Jan 95 22:31 By: Kris Gock To: John Clary Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:273/203@fidonet.org 11977e31 JC>We planted Cosmos from seed this year and have been _very_ pleased. The bloo JC>are in many different colors, mostly reds, pinks and purples, and some JC>They look kinda like daisies exc JC>they're not white. JC>be good for a background planting. Hi John, Just thought I'd throw in my two-cents worth! Cosmos also come in white AND yellow and orange. They're a wonderful flower, aren't they?! Tall, airy-looking and they self seed like crazy.....what more could you ask for. I also read somewhere that it's good to plant them in your corn patch. They're supposed to repel corn worms etc. I haven't tried it but who knows?! :-) ...Kris... Message written at 8:52pm, on Tuesday, January 3, 1995. * Apex v4 * "Life is full of little surprises." --Pandora * Take pleasure in the little things! * SLMR 2.1a * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: DSC BBS * Ivyland, PA * 215-443-7390 * 6,000 SIGS! * (1:273/203) @PATH: 273/203 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (941) Tue 3 Jan 95 22:31 By: Kris Gock To: Pat Climento Re: Pointsetta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:273/203@fidonet.org 11977e33 PC>Hi All! PC> I have noticed that my pointsetta palnt is dropping it's leaves like crazy PC>don't wanter it every day but I can't stop the leaves from dropping off...an PC>suggestions? Throw it out! Seriously now, you COULD cut it back and let it start over but it's so much trouble to get them to bloom again, that you're better off just buying new ones next Christmas! :-) ...Kris... Message written at 8:59pm, on Tuesday, January 3, 1995. * Apex v4 * Anything worth doing is worth getting someone else to do. * Take pleasure in the little things! * SLMR 2.1a * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: DSC BBS * Ivyland, PA * 215-443-7390 * 6,000 SIGS! * (1:273/203) @PATH: 273/203 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (942) Tue 3 Jan 95 22:31 By: Kris Gock To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:273/203@fidonet.org 11977e35 SA> For those who were wondering what happened to the HOME-N-GRDN echo, SA>where it stands now, here's a summary: SA> The previous moderator, Bob Germer, requested that all of his echos Hello Sharon, I've been away awhile myself and didn't realize what had happened to the conference. Thank you for the info. I'm very happy you're our new moderator! :-) I, for one, will not miss Mr.Germer or his only contribution to the conference, the famous "high bit character" sermon! I hate unkindness so I won't say anymore on the subject. I really just wanted to thank you for getting things straightened out and to wish you the best in your new role. CONGRATULATIONS! Take care, SA>:w! SA>--- Maximus 2.02 SA> * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) ...Kris... Message written at 9:09pm, on Tuesday, January 3, 1995. * Apex v4 * He who plants a garden plants happiness. * Take pleasure in the little things! * SLMR 2.1a * --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: DSC BBS * Ivyland, PA * 215-443-7390 * 6,000 SIGS! * (1:273/203) @PATH: 273/203 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (944) Tue 3 Jan 95 19:51 By: Dennis Garringer To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Cutting Electric Bills ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Sharon Allsup <01-02-95 12:55> Ken Jones wrote: KJ> That was another big shock moving here was taxes. We went from 1.03% KJ> per 100 to 2.13% per 100 moving to Keller. I really wouln't mind KJ> paying the taxes if they would just do something constructive with KJ> them. They just seem to waste them away and then ask for more. Did they ever fix the road between Haltom City and the Summerfields subdevision ??? Used to live there from 83 to 86. The county put up a new sign that said "Rough Road 35Mph", the first day someone used a felt pen and added a new line to it, "No Sh@%". Shure miss those 4 way stops too!! Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (958) Sat 31 Dec 94 16:36 By: Robert Goyette To: All Re: ROOT KILLER WANTED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:102/128.0 878C8C8A @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0077 I'm looking for something I can flush down the john to keep roots (in this case, ivy) from invading our sewer line. The complicating factor is that we have a septic tank and cesspool, and I don't want to use anything that will kill off the organisms that work on the sludge. Any suggestions? --- * SLMR 2.1a * rgoyette@ursabbs.com (Robert Goyette) --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: URSA MAJOR - Manhattan Beach, Ca. - (310)545-5611 (1:102/128.0) @PATH: 102/128 138 2 209/720 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (977) Wed 28 Dec 94 23:31 By: James Pace To: Tom Hook Re: Re: New user ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:250/102.0 2f023bbe @REPLY: 1:3609/4 37bd8562 Grass clippings are great. That was it. I am having trouble figuring out how to move on. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: IT (+1 416 658 9000) (1:250/102) @PATH: 250/102 702 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (978) Wed 28 Dec 94 23:40 By: James Pace To: All Re: shallots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:250/102.0 2f023dd2 I live in Ontario and our popular bunching onions are called multipliers. I would like to know if this is a local name for what others call shallots. I have grown both and do not perceive any difference except a much higher price for shallot bulbs. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: IT (+1 416 658 9000) (1:250/102) @PATH: 250/102 702 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (979) Fri 30 Dec 94 17:28 By: James Pace To: Doug Ogde Re: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:250/102.0 2f0489a0 Doug, Holly Hocks are a bienial, that is they flower in the second year of growth and thereafter. If you did not dig them out or otherwise destroy them they will be blooming for you next year. q --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: IT (+1 416 658 9000) (1:250/102) @PATH: 250/102 702 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (982) Mon 2 Jan 95 0:18 By: Dan Williamson To: All Re: Log Houses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3410/1.0 f078b393 I've recently purchased a log home and wonder if anyone knows the proper maintenance procedures for the outside of a peeled (hardwood) log building? I have heard that a washing in a bleach and TriSodiumPhosphate solution followed by caulking of the cracks and a coating of CETOL will preserve and protect it. Since I live in a major rain belt area with storm force winds one side of the house takes quite a beating. This is not a panabode but a full log home. Looking forward to any enlightenment. regards, Dan --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/1) @PATH: 3410/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (987) Tue 3 Jan 95 0:00 By: Louis Hinkley To: All Re: Greenhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:105/114.0 2f08d9d0 Hello, I'd like to build a small greenhouse in my backyard. Where would one aquire the plans for such a project? Thanx, in advance. ... People who live in glass houses...shouldn't. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Electronic Educator (1:105/114) @PATH: 105/114 105 178 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (995) Mon 2 Jan 95 13:11 By: Keith Mcelroy To: Sharon Moore Re: Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org dadb758c -=> Quoting Budding Green Thumb Sharon Moore to Keith Mcelroy <=- SM> got the number written down, thanks a bunch. will look for it at SM> store before ordiering. I appreciate all the help you guys and gals SM> are giving me out there. I am fast filling up a folder with hints etc. I se you've been getting lots of help with your request. Everything helps from seed catalogs to local garden shops. It's fun trying to locate just the right plant.... Hope you have much sucess with all your plantings.... Happy gardening in 95!! Best wishes, Keith ... Sleep- An inferior substitute for caffeine. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (996) Tue 3 Jan 95 10:01 By: Terry Olsen To: Larry Pines Re: Re: Moles ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:125/42 23be3750 LP>If you don't mind killing them you may try "fizzies" and sugar LP>placed somewhere it won't get wet. They're attracted to the sugar LP>and eat that with the "fizzies". They can't burp or f_rt so the gas LP>stays trapped inside. Eventually they can't eat and you know what LP>follows. Alka-Seltzer may not work as well because it's not sweet. Hmmmm sounds logical and discouraging for the little critters! --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: Humboldt Exchange -Eureka, CA.- USR 28.8k V34/VFC (1:125/42) @PATH: 125/42 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (997) Tue 3 Jan 95 11:29 By: Ken Jones To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: SEEDSWAP Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > (I'll also shamelessly try to get you to pick up CLASSICAL and > BIRDING echos also distributed from here *grin*). Is that the bird sighting echo? I think it feeds out of 300/16 --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1004) Wed 4 Jan 95 20:28 By: Dennis Garringer To: Robert Goyette Re: Re: ROOT KILLER WANTED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to All <12-31-94 16:36> Robert Goyette wrote: RG> I'm looking for something I can flush down the john to keep roots (in RG> this case, ivy) from invading our sewer line. The complicating RG> factor RG> is that we have a septic tank and cesspool, and I don't want to use RG> anything that will kill off the organisms that work on the sludge. I used to use Rock Salt, same as you use for making ice cream. Worked for mulberry tree roots. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1010) Wed 4 Jan 95 19:39 By: Doni Goodwin To: All Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: BWRA 3.02 [Eval] @MSGID: 1:284/61.0 2f0b4f15 I'm looking for some ideas on perennials for my front yard, which is heavily shaded. Typical Missouri clay soil, poor drainage... Am considering turning the whole postage stamp front yard into flowers, if I could figure out what to use. What I've looked at has been very little color, mostly green.Fragrance would be great, as well as herbs. Would welcome any and all suggestions. Thanks so much. ... Purranoia: the fear your cats are up to something. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: OTC BBS 865-5967 Springfield Mo. |We Are User Friendly| (1:284/61) @PATH: 284/61 29 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1021) Sat 31 Dec 94 8:52 By: James Pace To: Bob Anderson Re: storing root crops ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:250/102.0 2f056226 I live in southern Ontario at about the same latitude as Maine. I cover my carrots, parsnips,and beets with a 24 inch thickness of leaves when the heavy frost starts to set in. The ground beneath does not freeze and dig g the vegetables fresh until first week of April. If you try this remember the leaves must extend at least 24 inches beyond the patch for proper protection otherwise the outer rows will be frozen. No I do not cut or break downhehe tops of the vegetable before adding on the leaves. The leaves must be dry and fluffy when placed and they seem to create a roof for themselves that sheds the water. Wet leaves seem to just freeze right on through. This is in reply to message 148. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: IT (+1 416 658 9000) (1:250/102) @PATH: 250/102 702 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1022) Thu 5 Jan 95 13:50 By: T.E. Austin To: Doni Goodwin Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/207 100b8698 @PID: VFIDO 6.10.05 Re: Shady perenials > I'm looking for some ideas on perennials for my front yard, which is heavily > shaded. Good luck, all I can get to grow is grass. I've been looking for a long time. I hope you post pulls out a few suggestions. --- VFIDO 6.10.05 * Origin: Shark's Bar & Grill (1:3641/207) @PATH: 3641/207 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1033) Tue 3 Jan 95 18:43 By: Jim Bilderback To: Sharon Allsup Re: Seedswap Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:125/42 23be6695 SA> > If you're interested, please netmail me - or forward this message to > your sysop (and ask politely. Sysops are busy people). If you hate > the idea, or want to swap your seeds in here, let me know. > were there many problems with swaps here? i had fun sending out the foxglove seeds and enjoyed those i received. i didn't get or notice any commerical harrassment. * JABBER v1.2 * --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: Humboldt Exchange -Eureka, CA.- USR 28.8k V34/VFC (1:125/42) @PATH: 125/42 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1034) Wed 4 Jan 95 18:56 By: Jim Bilderback To: All Re: Want: H2o filter cart. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:125/42 24be0697 Hi folks ... i'm looking for replacement cartridges for my countertop water filter. It uses a 10", 1 micron, solid carbon block type filter. Any leads appreciated ... phone#, cost, shipping, etc, if u have it. Thanx! * JABBER v1.2 * --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: Humboldt Exchange -Eureka, CA.- USR 28.8k V34/VFC (1:125/42) @PATH: 125/42 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1035) Sat 31 Dec 94 2:10 By: Doreen Clancy To: All Jokers Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f04bd7c > Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillar/Worm. > Hey, are they any good for fishing? > Yes, but you have to outfit them with really tiny fishing poles. I've sure been ROFL over this thread. You characters never miss a nibble . It may be cloudy outside but it's sure sunny in cyberspace. Thanks a million for the ongoing jokes about the ugly monster. ... OFFLINE 1.51 "How do I set my laser printer to stun?" --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1037) Wed 4 Jan 95 18:19 By: Keith Mcelroy To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org cda7dc11 -=> Quoting Sharon Allsup to Basil Barnes <=- Re: Basil Barnes rustling squash vines... SA> hahahaha the mental image that brings to mind..... SA> Pets & small children running in terror from enraged squash vines.. Tried for years to grow watermelons and finally gave up... The mulch I was using was so rich that the fast growing vines were wearing out the melons by dragging them along the ground and wearing them out before they had a chance to get ripe.. Happy Gardening!! >>>---Keith---> ... For a gardener nothing is worse than a hose too short. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1038) Thu 5 Jan 95 1:13 By: Bill Mason To: John Hartman Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake John Hartman unto Bruce Bosdet on the day of 31 Dec 94 09:12:00 JH> They are sphinx moth caterpillars. Another name is Tobacco Hornworm. JH> The are easy to pick off and toss into the street where they make a JH> great green splat. If they are covered with little white cocoons on Wow, now that's the best advice I've seen yet...I throw snails in the street because I hate stepping on them. I don't have tomatoes right now, but I bet they'd also love my beautiful Nicotianas, even though snails don't... :) JH> their backs, leave them on the plant. The cocoons are parasitic wasps JH> which have already killed the critter, except that he doesn't know it JH> yet. Perfect. I few years ago I did research on finding if there were any such parasites for earwigs. There was indeed a parasite, a certain type of tachinid fly, and apparently some study was done in the Portland, Oregon area on their effectiveness as earwig controls, but I never did find out if there was some way to get any. Anybody else heard of them? --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1039) Wed 4 Jan 95 21:28 By: Paul Bourret To: Peter Becker Re: Peonies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:326/409 878ECBC2 PB>My peonies are old. Maybe in the neighborhood of 50 - 60 years. Twenty yea PB>in our garden alone. PB>But they are getting kinda scraggly. Just not as pretty as they were in the PB>past. The flowers are not as big. The foliage not as much. PB>What can I do to revitalize them? To "revitalize" your peony garden you will want to dig up your peonies in the fall. Remove at least 1/2 of the soil and replace it with compost and/or manure and some organic fertilizer. Your soil does become depleted after so many years. This is the problem of big scale farms. Divide your peonies with a sharp knife. Make sure you have at least 3 - 5 eyes on each division. Replant your peonies at least 3' apart or give some of the plants away to family and friends. The eyes of the peonies should be covered with no more than 1" of soil. In the spring you will see the eyes emerge thru the soil. Sprinkle a small amount of lime on the soil and gently scratch it in with your fingers. Then water with a weak solution of water and manure or compost every 3 or so days. Good luck! * OLX 2.1 TD * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! --- WM v3.11/94-0332 * Origin: Swamplands Your #1 Files & Internet BBS 207-457-2273 (1:326/409) @PATH: 326/409 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1041) Thu 5 Jan 95 13:18 By: GUY ANDERSON To: Dan Williamson Re: Re: Log Houses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:116/19 01300075098 => Quoting Dan Williamson to All <= DW> I've recently purchased a log home and wonder if anyone knows DW> the proper maintenance procedures for the outside of a peeled DW> (hardwood) log building? I have heard that a washing in a bleach and .............deletions..................... Dan--I bought a log home in February 1990 and asked the same questions. Here is what I learned and did: Unless you have mildew on the logs, there's really no need to use bleach. Bleach does lighten up the coloration, but I kinda like the natural silver-gray produced by the weathering process. I finally settled on Behr brand clear wood preservative with UV protectant. As I recall the main ingredients are linseed oil, penetrant, and the UV stuff. Aplied it with a cheap garden sprayer, the pump-up kind made for insecticide sprays. Next time I will get a flat-spray nozzle for it to replace the round nozzle--more even spray pattern. The whole job took two days, but next time I can do it in one, I think. My house is 1700 sq.ft.inside--never measured the exterior--with a LARGE deck around one side and the front. Cost me about $400 for the stuff--Behr ain't cheap, but has better rep around here than Thompson's. Oh yeah--get plenty of mineral spirits for cleanup--your bod and windows! I didn't cover glass, since it's quick and easy to wipe off the preservative, provided you do it within and hour or so of application, and then Windex them good. I've probably forgotten sump'n, but Email me if you wanna ask anything. Also, I am a novice at this stuff--maybe some of the pros who lurk on this echo will give you more reliable advice than mine. Guy Anderson Readyville, TN 37149 guy.anderson@nashville.com 615-563-4802 Thu 01-05-1995, 12:51:04 pm ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: The Nashville Exchange BBS 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) @PATH: 116/19 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1044) Tue 3 Jan 95 19:45 By: Jim Dixon To: Sharon Allsup Re: SEEDSWAP Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/295.0 2f0a0bb0 @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2f08aeee SA> SEEDSWAP - The Seed Exchange SA> For user-to-user posts of seeds for trade or free ONLY. No SA> catalogs, commercial entries, seeds for sale, solicitations, SA> high postage/handling charges, or offers other than free or SA> swap. Users are strongly encouraged to use netmail and SA> common sense in the finalizing of any trade. This is SA> envisioned as an extension of the Backboned HOME-N-GRDN SA> echo, and indepth discussion of the growing requirements SA> should take place in that echo if at all possible. SEEDSWAP SA> will be backboned if interest and distribution warrant. Got my interest... how and where and what? Echo name? Jim --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Canadian EarthCare Foundation (604) 769-5097 (1:353/295) @PATH: 353/295 211 210 251 250 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1045) Thu 5 Jan 95 9:46 By: Jim Dixon To: Robert Goyette Re: ROOT KILLER WANTED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/295.0 2f0c2270 @REPLY: 1:102/128.0 878C8C8A Hello Robert, RG> I'm looking for something I can flush down the john to keep roots (in Instead of flushing a chemical down, me thinks a better approach is to attack the plant from outside the tank/s by using a systemic. brushing it on the leaves and it is taken down to the root; killing top to bottom. If your intent is not to kill the plabnt, killing the root would do it anyway. RG> this case, ivy) from invading our sewer line. The complicating factor RG> is that we have a septic tank and cesspool, and I don't want to use RG> anything that will kill off the organisms that work on the sludge. RG> * Origin: URSA MAJOR - Manhattan Beach, Ca. - Different regulation for different places regarding chemicals. A glyphosate of sorts may be your answer or a liquid systemic. One has to be careful with them for if you spill it on your grass, it will kill every blade through the root you hit. Jim --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Canadian EarthCare Foundation (604) 769-5097 (1:353/295) @PATH: 353/295 211 210 251 250 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1054) Thu 5 Jan 95 10:22 By: Jim Bilderback To: Robert Goyette Re: Root Killer wanted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:125/42 25beda52 RG> I'm looking for something I can flush down the john to keep roots (in > this case, ivy) from invading our sewer line. The complicating factor > is that we have a septic tank and cesspool, and I don't want to use > anything that will kill off the organisms that work on the sludge. > > Any suggestions? i think the "Roebic" folks offer root killer in their line of septic system products ... at ur local hardware/home store??? * JABBER v1.2 * --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: Humboldt Exchange -Eureka, CA.- USR 28.8k V34/VFC (1:125/42) @PATH: 125/42 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1055) Thu 5 Jan 95 19:03 By: Basil Barnes To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 01 Jan 95 22:20:48, Sharon Allsup wrote: SA> Of course the price for 200+ frostfree days a year is tornados, SA> summer scorchers, hail and heat bursts. There really are two short SA> growing seasons in this area of Texas - spring & fall. Summer is too SA> hot for most veggies. That's when we'll come visit you, OK? Sure, that would be great. We generally get summer between about July 28 and August 1 ... somewhere in there for about a 24 hour period. The frost generally has disappeared by that time, but the problem is that the sounds around here at that time of year are something terrible. You see, over the winter a lot of sounds made outdoors in this area get frozen and don't go anywhere. They just freeze and fall to the ground and get covered up by the snow. Consequently, when they thaw out in late Spring or summer we have a terrible time as the sounds "come to life" so to speak (sigh, pun not intended, I think). The really neat thing is trying to identify whose voices were whose, when we sit and listen as they thaw out. It really is a lot of fun! ;-) --- Please return sysop to original upright position. --- DLG Pro v1.0/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1056) Wed 4 Jan 95 20:57 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: Richard Rose Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:342/71 03838a3f @PID: TriDog 6.2 @TID: GE 1.11+ On Jan. 2nd Richard wrote to Sharron; SA> short growing seasons in this area of Texas - spring & fall. Summer is SA> too hot for most veggies. That's when we'll come visit you, OK? RR> This is what gets me, I am struggling with getting my tomato plants in RR> in early June while you people down south are talking about your first RR> harvest. Shees. RR> Maybe that would make a good echo rule- RR> 1. No talking about harvests while people reading in colder climates RR> are still waiting to plant, or engaging in any other conversation RR> that would cause undue, intense jealousy by others. RR> :) Hi Richard; Early June is not that bad, heck we still could be hit by snow at that time of year. Besides you have lots of greenhouse space, you could probably have fresh tomatos year round. After all southern Ontario, causes intense jealousy from us here in nothern Alberta. (I hope I remember your location correctly, or was it Wisconsin), anyhow your alot warmer than us. After all its a balmy -30C or for you US people -20F or so, with ice fog and its actualy quite nice out, you just have to dress for it. I know it now I am going to get a reply from someone in Alaska saying how nice our weather is. Any how have a good day ;) TTYL.... Nolan --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: The Missing Link (1:342/71) USR 28.8 V.FC/V.34 (1:342/71) @PATH: 342/71 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1079) Thu 5 Jan 95 18:33 By: Kent Anderson To: Louis Hinkley Re: Greenhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2f0cd029 -=> On 03 Jan 95 00:00:00, Louis Hinkley said this to All LH> Hello, I'd like to build a small greenhouse in my backyard. LH> Where would one aquire the plans for such a project? Thanx, LH> in advance. Louis, First, try your local library. It's usually a good source for such information. If you have a Home Depot, or Builders Square store in your area. it will probably have books, and possibly plans. Try any major lumber/hardware supplier. Good luck, Kent, --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1080) Thu 5 Jan 95 15:07 By: Lori Gall To: All Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/185.1 aba99bdb Hello Everyone, I live in Saskatchewan, Canada (which is a Zone 3 climate I think) and I am looking for flower seeds. I have alot of space around my yard and would love to have thousands of colorful flowers to admire. I need plants that can take care of themselves pretty much, as I work alot, the colors don't matter...the more the better. It would be nice if they reseeded themselves too. If you can help me please let me know. Thank you in advance. Lori ... CATASATROPHE: Award given to the cat with the cutest buns. --- PPoint 1.80 * Origin: The Point where Reality meets INSANITY (1:140/185.1) @PATH: 140/185 401 132 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1081) Fri 6 Jan 95 6:01 By: Bill Mason To: Keith Mcelroy Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- KM> Tried for years to grow watermelons and finally gave up... The KM> mulch I was using was so rich that the fast growing vines were KM> wearing out the melons by dragging them along the ground and KM> wearing them out before they had a chance to get ripe.. Wait a sec...isn't it only the end, or apex of a plant stem that grows? Ah, but I take it the vines were also bending toward light... anyway, I believe a common cure for such problems is to get old nylons, put a young melon fruit in each one, and nail or tie them to a fence, pole, wall, etc. They get their air & sunlight, don't rot or get "dragged", and are afforded some protection from pests... --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1086) Thu 5 Jan 95 23:16 By: GUY ANDERSON To: Dan Williamson Re: Re: Log Houses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:116/19 013000cc875 => Quoting Dan Williamson to All <= DW> I've recently purchased a log home and wonder if anyone knows DW> the proper maintenance procedures for the outside of a peeled DW> (hardwood) log building? I have heard that a washing in a bleach and .............deletions..................... Dan--I bought a log home in February 1990 and asked the same questions. Here is what I learned and did: Unless you have mildew on the logs, there's really no need to use bleach. Bleach does lighten up the coloration, but I kinda like the natural silver-gray produced by the weathering process. I finally settled on Behr brand clear wood preservative with UV protectant. As I recall the main ingredients are linseed oil, penetrant, and the UV stuff. Aplied it with a cheap garden sprayer, the pump-up kind made for insecticide sprays. Next time I will get a flat-spray nozzle for it to replace the round nozzle--more even spray pattern. The whole job took two days, but next time I can do it in one, I think. My house is 1700 sq.ft.inside--never measured the exterior--with a LARGE deck around one side and the front. Cost me about $400 for the stuff--Behr ain't cheap, but has better rep around here than Thompson's. Oh yeah--get plenty of mineral spirits for cleanup--your bod and windows! I didn't cover glass, since it's quick and easy to wipe off the preservative, provided you do it within and hour or so of application, and then Windex them good. I've probably forgotten sump'n, but Email me if you wanna ask anything. Also, I am a novice at this stuff--maybe some of the pros who lurk on this echo will give you more reliable advice than mine. Guy Anderson Readyville, TN 37149 guy.anderson@nashville.com 615-563-4802 Thu 01-05-1995, 12:51:04 pm ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: The Nashville Exchange BBS 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) @PATH: 116/19 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1087) Fri 6 Jan 95 9:00 By: ROBERT FOSTER To: All Re: FREEDOM HEDGE ROSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:116/19 015000689e2 I recently received the new Spring Hill Nurseries. I am curious to if anyone has had any experience with the Freedom Hedge Rose advertised on the back page. It looks just perfect for what I need. Low maintenance, hardiness, a fairly fast grower, and a heavy bloomer. Any information and experience with this Freedom Hedge Rose would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Bob --- ... MONEY TALKS ... but all mine ever says is GOODBYE! --- TSX-BBS (Multi-line 32-bit BBS) * Origin: The Nashville Exchange BBS 615-383-0727 (1:116/19) @PATH: 116/19 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1097) Fri 6 Jan 95 19:26 By: Dennis Garringer To: Basil Barnes Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Sharon Allsup <01-05-95 19:03> Basil Barnes wrote: BB> You see, over the winter a lot of sounds made outdoors in this area BB> get frozen and don't go anywhere. They just freeze and fall to the BB> ground and get covered up by the snow. I can see that the winter weather has you shoveling more than just snow this time of year!!! That must be the rich stuff that had the vines dragging the watemelons down to their nubbins in another post I saw here.......... Kinda reminds me of showing flat landers Bear scatches 20 feet up on the trees, must be some tall bears around here!! Or was that ten feet of snow?? Cabin fever, gota find a cure............ Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1100) Thu 5 Jan 95 0:24 By: Hal Clark To: All Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3611/6.0 8790082C @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 91-0065 Hi, Can someone tell me about chemicals for speeding up the rotting of a stump? I live in middle Georgia and I had to remove a pecan tree that was causing problems near the house and I left the stump in a flower bed that I don't wish to destroy removing the stump. I've seen advertisements, but am not familiar with these stump removers, and would appreciate comments from someone with experience who could give a name and source of one that works well. Thanks, Hal --- * OLX 1.52 * O Lord, protect me from those to whom you speak directly. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: ZAP! HST/v32terbo * 1-912-788-5258 (1:3611/6.0) @PATH: 3611/6 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1101) Fri 6 Jan 95 14:10 By: Melissa Nadeau To: All Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:271/215 038e2f42 @TID: GE 1.11+ My husband and I are considering purchasing 25 or so acres in Virginia. We are considering two lots, one is mostly wooded and the other is wooded with some pastures. We would like to be able to turn a profit with the land so that we would not have to work much at conventional jobs. Does anyone have any ideas as to what types of revenue could be generated from owning this land. We have never farmed before, what would be an easy beginner crop and where would we find resources to teach us what to do? Another option for this much land would be to board horses or raise animals which we don't know much about either! Any suggestions for us? --- DV/QEMM/Novell 7.0 * Origin: The GentleGiant BBS VA Node 2 (804)877-8738 (1:271/216) @PATH: 271/215 270 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1102) Mon 2 Jan 95 14:33 By: LARRY BOUCHARD To: SHARON ALLSUP Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v4.0a (#1892) <<***** On 12/20/94, SHARON ALLSUP wrote to ALL: *****>> Sharon, I just dropped in to see what action was on the Echo, having left in disgust several months ago SA> It's taken several weeks of work and tracking by innumerable SA>sysops I can believe it and THANK YOU. SA> As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't intend SA>to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still apply: stay That is one HUGE change :-) Congratulations, thank you and good luck. LARRY ~~~ * VbReader 2.01 #73 * Posted in Prince George, B.C. Canada --- SLMAIL v4.0a (#1892) * Origin: The Hidden Hideaway - Your Business CONNECTION! (1:359/298) @PATH: 359/298 222 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1126) Sat 7 Jan 95 7:28 By: Karin Brewer To: Pat Stockett Re: cactuses and other greens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 87907790 [re orchid cactus] -> >yellow one. At one time, they also had a night-blooming one. A v -> -> I threw the one I had out on the snow one night. I got myself up and -> dressed and out through the snow to catch the bloom two or three nigh -> in a row. I kept missing the bloom. Talk about a temper tantrum. :-) Oh my... -> The fellow that had the huge orchid greenhouse had many of them. I -> liked them, it's just that I fell in love with the cymbidiums. He ha -> three huge greenhouses and they were stuffed with cym. in bloom the -> first time I found the place. He told me to wash my hands in the -> disinfectant pail and then look to my heart's content. But don't tou -> :-) I always wondered why I had to wash my hands. Anyways... It's a -> wonder I ever came out again. For the years he was there Steve knew -> where to go for a gift for me anytime he needed one. That's what the one orchid grower's greenhouse I've been to looked like, instant paradise. The hand-washing bit presumably was to prevent stuff like fungus to get in. There's all sorts of easily transmitted ailments, and some of them can wipe out large number of plants real fast. What with lack of space, I'm currently at the point where anything develops a significant problem, out it goes. Trying to provide a 4 to 6 week quarantine set-up for new plants is quite challenging enough. -> >Cyclamen seems to do reasonably well for me in a north-facing wind -> -> They are pretty. In the right sort of vase, they even make appealing cut flowers. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1127) Sat 7 Jan 95 7:57 By: Karin Brewer To: Sharon Allsup Re: Amaryllis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 87907791 -> KB> My mom used to just keep on watering as before until such t -> KB> as all the leaves had withered. Then, she let the plant rest, an -> KB> watering again after several months, say in August or thereabout -> KB> would bloom again, but never with blossoms quite as big as the f -> KB> time round. Maybe she should have added a particular fertilizer -> -> Fertilizer will certainly help if the bulb is to be used for -> season. Keep fertilizing after the bloom, since it's the greening pe -> most nutrients for next year are being manufactured and shipped down -> bulb for storage. She might also have been experiencing "bulb burnou -> bulb doesn't get a chilly (or long enough) dormant period to fully re -> the next year. You must be talking about the other type of amaryllis, the one that can be raised outdoors. These were the Hippeastrum kind, and the only place they'd do well outdoors would be in Florida and South Texas. I've a sneaky suspicion they would take a very dim view of anything even approaching chilly. Most places (including back home), they're strictly indoors plants. -> Here in North-Central Texas, lots of bulbs will do beautifull -> first year and then go seriously downhill in subsequent seasons unles -> dug up and refrigerated. Our winters are usually too mild for many N -> bulbs to have a good, solid winter's sleep. Ditto in San Antonio. I've a faithful paperwhite narcissus that started life in a flowerpot, and got dumped outside afterwards. Out of the whole group of maybe five bulbs, one has survived and blooms every year, in late fall. The Dutch iris are repeat performers, even with no care, but that ends the tale of my supposedly spring-flowering bulbs. -> The info sources for the above are mixed garden club members -> speakers. I asked about best bulb varieties for our weather and got -> lecture. The yard is full of iris and obviously bulb-type stems; we -> and buy the place until after blooming, so all I've seen so far are t -> fall-blooming spider lilies (GORGEOUS! WEIRD-LOOKING!). I'm dying o -> curiosity - what will these unknowns *be*, and what kind of blooms wi -> have. I've got a red spider lily volunteer (I guess it arrived with the Dutch iris bulbs from some co-worker thinning his plants), and isn't it a beauty! This place really doesn't lend itself to much in line of flowers, but it's something to look forward to for the next house. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1128) Sat 7 Jan 95 8:05 By: Karin Brewer To: John Hartman Re: Drafty windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 87907792 -> If you have a drafty window and like orchids, you might try some of t -> dendrobiums. I got one in a local orchid club gift exchange a few ye -> that would not bloom for the original owner. One month later, in Jan -> sent out flower spikes. I had over 100 blooms on it at once! The wi -> very drafty and almost freezing. Something to consider. I think that was Pat, with the north-facing window. Mine just gets too cold in the rare freezing spells we have here (San Antonio, TX). For the most part, the problem is too much heat and sun, but with some of the filtering see-through gray plastic and with the aid of shorty lace curtains, I've got it to where my African violets seem to be happy. I think the one unsuccessful attempt at an orchid here was simply the combination of a worn-out plant (post-Mother's Day sales) and insufficient light. The thing was simply too tall to fit inside the window, and back on the ledge, behind all the other greenery... Given a place with sufficient space and adequate windows (or additional money for lighted plant stands), I'd love to get back into orchids. Well, one of these days, maybe, with luck... Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1130) Fri 6 Jan 95 23:43 By: Jesse Tharin To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54ac732a @REPLY: 1:342/71 03838a3f > After all its a balmy -30C or for you US people -20F or > so, with ice fog and its actualy quite nice out, you just have to > dress for it. I know it now I am going to get a reply from someone > in Alaska saying how nice our weather is. Not quite. It was 71F (22C?) today with bright clear sunny skies and snow on the mountains, and I plant tomatoes outside in eight weeks. God it's *SO* much fun to brag! I'm from New Hampshire (we escaped Quebec) and I'll roll over and die before living in that sort of cold ever again. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1132) Fri 6 Jan 95 15:59 By: Sheryl Moore To: Robert Goyette Re: ROOT KILLER WANTED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13139cd7 clean the lines first,and get rid of the sludge.there are several good products on the market.then flush a couple of yeast CAKES to get things going again. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1133) Fri 6 Jan 95 16:01 By: Sheryl Moore To: Louis Hinkley Re: Greenhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13139cd9 write me..i have a 16 x 48 that we built for 400.00.can draw you plans and a material list and you can make your any size. sheryl moore,p.o. box 574 harrah,ok 73045 --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1134) Thu 5 Jan 95 12:12 By: Doc Holladay To: Lawrence London Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Rcvd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27881 @REPLY: 1:3641/1.502 b594e33e @PID: timEd 1.01 Lawrence London wrote in a message to Sharon Allsup: > As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't > intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still > apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI > pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's > about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? > Questions? Comments? LL> Simply, congratulations, to you and others who contributed LL> toward keeping this great echo alive and well. H & G has LL> been a great resource for many years. I agree with all of the congratulations and comments I have read here about Sharon becoming the moderator for this echo. LL> Lawrence London LL> Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo ^^^^^^^ Is this one available on the backbone as well. If so I will try and link into it on my system. > :w! > --- Maximus 2.02 > * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) LL> ___ LL> - Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo LL> (1:3641/1.502) LL> @EEN-BY: 133/1223 1242 1277 2501 2504 2505 2600 2602 2801 151/502 396/1 3615/50 LL> @EEN-BY: 3615/51 3641/1 207 223 224 LL> @PATH: 151/502 3641/1 3615/50 133/2602 1223 1242 2505 Have a good day, Doc --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/2501) @PATH: 133/2501 2505 1242 1223 2602 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1135) Thu 5 Jan 95 12:33 By: Robert Holladay To: Sharon Allsup Re: SEEDSWAP Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27883 @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2f08aeee @PID: timEd 1.01 Sharon Allsup wrote in a message to All: SA> SEEDSWAP - The Seed Exchange SA> For user-to-user posts of seeds for trade or free ONLY. No SA> catalogs, commercial entries, seeds for sale, solicitations, SA> high postage/handling charges, or offers other than free or SA> swap. Users are strongly encouraged to use netmail and SA> common sense in the finalizing of any trade. This is SA> envisioned as an extension of the Backboned HOME-N-GRDN SA> echo, and indepth discussion of the growing requirements SA> should take place in that echo if at all possible. SEEDSWAP SA> will be backboned if interest and distribution warrant. A great idea. Netmail on the way to see about linking into your system for this one. Heck another potential advantage could be the ability to plan for different plants and seeds for using in the garden at a lower overall cost. Heck a lot of the seed packets have more in them than I need for just my own usage anyway. Have a good day, Doc --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/2501) @PATH: 133/2501 2505 1242 1223 2602 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1136) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:43 By: Sheryl Moore To: Lori Gall Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13950583 i have gallon size ziplocks of all different sizes and colors of zinnias and marigolds,can send you a good handfull of each,plus any others i run across..i am like you,a 28 hr day,so i only grow kiss plants.if they dont reseed,live thru the ikla winter,survive drought and neglect,i dont want them.also have over 2,000 iris in different colors,can ship you some starts of at least the yellow and purple,and have 6 or 7 different canna roots,can send starts of them,also.i have a 1/2 acre front yard on the farm,and am doing my best to fill it with trees,shrubs and flowers.if you can pay postage,or i can c.o.d it,it would be no hassle for me.let me know,ok? --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1137) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:49 By: Sheryl Moore To: Melissa Nadeau Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13950585 would you like a copy of diversified alternative farming that i just finished writing?i write garden and ag shareware,and have farmed livestock and vegetables for 15 years.let me know if you are interested,and if i can answer any specific questions,just e-mail me here.if you want the disk,please send a formatted disk,any size,and return postage to:sheryl moore,p.o. box 574 harrah,ok 73045.i also have disks on greenhouses,herbs,organic gardening,city gardening,hydroponics,mushrooms,and am starting some soon on sheep,pigs,rabbits and goats.i also have some other shareware ag and hort programs to numerous to mention here,but can send you a list by mail. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1139) Sat 7 Jan 95 11:50 By: Rita Bussell To: Doni Goodwin Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm looking for some ideas on perennials for my front yard, which > is heavily shaded. How about Bleeding Hearts? Aside from the standard one, there is a miniture version which bloom all summer long. If you're not too concerned with flowers, Hosta comes in some very interesting varigated leaf patterns. You could also try Astilbe which comes in various heights and Heuchera (Coral Bells). You may have to just experiment a bit until you find what will grow or will not. Plants sometimes have a mind of their own. :-) I also saw an everblooming climbing rose bush that is suppose to grow in shade in the Parks Seed Catalog. I'm planning on giving it a try as I have an arch in by back yard which gets very little sun. ... This garden is for the birds! and the squirrels... and the rabbits... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: MISSION CONTROL FUNHOUSE 203-374-0101 & 9367 (1:141/466) @PATH: 141/466 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1160) Fri 6 Jan 95 22:04 By: Peter Becker To: Brian Murrey Re: hi guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2201/38.666 2f0dbeae @REPLY: 1:231/30 2EFF0D09 @PID: GED B1207 1025 Upon Sat 31-Dec-1994 18:35 thus spake Brian Murrey unto John Hartman: BM> Yummy. Hey John, are you still in seed savers? Would you by BM> anychance have some Birdhouse Gourd seeds I could bum off ya? Brian.. Netmail me your mailing address and I will send you some. Pete * A woman's only a woman; a good cigar's a smoke! --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Peter's Precarious Point (peterbecker@delphi.com) (1:2201/38.666) @PATH: 2201/38 200 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1170) Sun 8 Jan 95 21:31 By: Lawrence London To: Doc Holladay Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Local Sent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.502 04154041 @REPLY: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27881 @PID: FM 2.02 > LL> Lawrence London > LL> Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo > Is this one available on the backbone as well. If so I will try > and link into it on my system. It is definitely on the Backbone. Its low traffic and high quality. Another great one is HOMEPOWR, renewable energy resources for the homeowner and owner-builder (and tinkerer :-). Lawrence >> :w! >> --- Maximus 2.02 >> * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) > LL> ___ > LL> - Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo > LL> (1:3641/1.502) > LL> @EEN-BY: 133/1223 1242 1277 2501 2504 2505 2600 2602 2801 151/502 396/1 > 3615/50 > LL> @EEN-BY: 3615/51 3641/1 207 223 224 > LL> @PATH: 151/502 3641/1 3615/50 133/2602 1223 1242 2505 > Have a good day, > Doc > --- > * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/ > 2501) --- * Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo (1:3641/1.502) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1173) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:35 By: Cal Clift To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Creature comfort prob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 879100B9 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0806 In a message dated 01-01-95 KEN JONES wrote to CAL CLIFT: KJ> The whole house is the flex plastic pipe (its just the way they do KJ> them here) there is the batting over the pipes with the silver type KJ> foil paper on it. What I see seems to be very secure. When the heat KJ> comes on it does puff the cold air out of the pipe for a few seconds, KJ> but it does climb to full heat in that amount of time. Ciao, Hi Ken The flex duct about which you refer is good and commonly used. It is made out of a special kind of plastic, so my statements about the inadvisability of using plastic pipe for duct stands. There is a temptation to weave that flex duct around, as it is being installed, but the runs should be as short, and direct as possible. If that room continues to be a problem, you may want to conceder installing a mini-split system for that room alone. A mini-split system is a small package ac or heat pump unit that is designed for one or two rooms. There is no duct work involved, as the inside unit either is mounted on the ceiling or wall. A lot of Jap. companies make them, though they are a little pricey, you could just abandoned the duct work to the bedroom from the main system. CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1174) Thu 5 Jan 95 21:24 By: Paul Bourret To: Kris Gock Re: Pointsetta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:326/409 8790E5FF KG>PC> I have noticed that my pointsetta palnt is dropping it's leaves like KG>crazy don't wanter it every day but I can't stop the leaves KG>from dropping off... KG>PC>any suggestions? KG> Throw it out! KG> Seriously now, you COULD cut it back and let it start over but it's KG> so much trouble to get them to bloom again, that you're better off KG> just buying new ones next Christmas! :-) I agree it wouldn't be worth trying to get it to rebloom. I have a friend, however that replants them in his garden as foliage plants. They don't rebloom, but they make a nicely shaped green background plant. * OLX 2.1 TD * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- WM v3.11/94-0332 * Origin: Swamplands Your #1 Files & Internet BBS 207-457-2273 (1:326/409) @PATH: 326/409 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1177) Sat 7 Jan 95 14:36 By: Mark Baker To: Jodie O'keefe Re: where were you ? :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 3:640/215@fidonet.org 789dd265 hi jodie :) um..where were you today ? you said you'd be back but i never saw you see ya! Mark --- Ezycom V1.02 01fd0028 # Origin: Power Up OZ +61-7-399-1322 (18 lines) (3:640/215) @GPTH: 640/215 217 9600/0 @GATE: 1:382/502.0@fidonet 2f0f4e06 * Origin: FidoNet <-> PODNet EchoGate! (1:382/502.0) @PATH: 382/502 91 92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1178) Sun 8 Jan 95 0:14 By: Dave Neumann To: All Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:106/4015 2f0f2ec6 @PID: T.A.G. 2.7c Standard does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? --- FMail/386 0.98 * Origin: 713-556-9167 556-6310 (1:106/4015) @PATH: 106/4015 2001 2000 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1185) Sat 7 Jan 95 8:53 By: Michael Taricani To: All Re: Wiring problem... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: T.A.G. 2.7b Standard @MSGID: 1:142/983 2f0e5752 I bought a new ceiling fixture and plan on installing it myself. But when I opened it there was a warning the store did not tell us about. It said our supply should be rated for 90 degrees and not 60 degrees. I understand wire gauges and load, but never encountered temprature before. How do I know if my wires are rated for temp? They are all 12 GA. --- T.A.G. 2.7b Standard * Origin: The Animal House BBS...(203)582-6983 (1:142/983) @PATH: 142/983 111 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1193) Sun 8 Jan 95 12:14 By: Nolan Chamczuk To: Lori Gall Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 01-05-95 at 15:07, LORI GALL wrote: LG>Hello Everyone, LG>I live in Saskatchewan, Canada (which is a Zone 3 climate I think) and I LG>am looking for flower seeds. I have alot of space around my yard and would LG>love to have thousands of colorful flowers to admire. I need plants that LG>can take care of themselves pretty much, as I work alot, the colors don't LG>matter...the LG>more the better. It would be nice if they reseeded themselves too. If you LG>can LG>help me please let me know. Hi Lori; One problem, Our winters! as many plants will re-seed easily, the seed would probalbly not survive our winters. So you may have to do what we do and collect the seed for the winter. I could send you some petunia and portulaca seed if you wanted. The petinua will grow pritty much anywhere and the portulaca like a spot with full sun. Drop me a line with you snail mail address. TTyl.. Nolan ___ MS-QWiK v4.6 [UNREG] for Amiga --- DlgQWK v0.71a/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1194) Sun 8 Jan 95 16:59 By: Marilyn Boissoneault To: Dennis Garringer Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:374/147.10 04910582 @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A @TID: GE 1.11+ Hi Dennis I just tuned in to this echo. Sounds interesting. DG>BB> You see, over the winter a lot of sounds made outdoors in this area DG>BB> get frozen and don't go anywhere. They just freeze and fall to the DG>BB> ground and get covered up by the snow. DG>I can see that the winter weather has you shoveling more than just snow this DG>time of year!!! That must be the rich stuff that had the vines dragging the DG>watemelons down to their nubbins in another post I saw here.......... DG>Cabin fever, gota find a cure............ I'm glad I live in Florida, sounds dangerous to ones mental health to be in the frozen north. Marilyn * SLMR 2.1a * For best results, place this line at bottom of message. --- JCQWK [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! - People Online * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) @PATH: 374/147 85 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1195) Sun 8 Jan 95 11:02 By: Steve Waller To: Hal Clark Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3819/157.11 bc0ef13b @REPLY: 1:3611/6.0 8790082C HC> Can someone tell me about chemicals for speeding up the rotting of a HC> stump? I just drill holes in them and put furtilizer in the holes they rot out in a year or so. I use comericial fertilizer it draws water The same kind you use on corn it is the same stuff they sell to rot stumps with .Works for us just cover the top with dry fertilizer and the holes you drilled then just let it rot. In Texarkana we have people that grind stumps to the ground for about 10$ or so with a big saw ... ! Windows: The gates of hell... --- PPoint 1.86 * Origin: Psychotic Waller Wimmenz (1:3819/157.11) @PATH: 3819/157 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1199) Sun 8 Jan 95 23:01 By: Doug Swanson To: James Pace Re: shallots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2f106ebc @REPLY: 1:250/102.0 2f023dd2 I don't know what "multipliers" are, but in the kitchen there is a considerable difference between shallots and other onion varieties. Shallots are multiple onions but are purple in color, have more sweetness and less sulphery pungency than most onions. I think that you need to grow the specific variety if you want real shallot qualities. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1200) Sun 8 Jan 95 23:06 By: Doug Swanson To: Hal Clark Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1023.0 2f106fd8 @REPLY: 1:3611/6.0 8790082C I don't remember the specific brand, but I think most stump removers are strong salts. You drill a lot of big holes in the stump, pour in the crystals and wait. I have used them and it is hard to tell if they work, since it still takes years. Presumably it takes fewer years with stump remover. The more holes you drill and the wetter you keep it, the faster it happens. Just like rot. I would wait until winter when the flowers are gone and get a stump grinder if you are in a hurry. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: King Solomon's Mine Balto MD (410)494-1533 (1:261/1023) @PATH: 261/1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1201) Sat 7 Jan 95 23:30 By: Ken Jones To: Hal Clark Re: Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > Can someone tell me about chemicals for speeding up the rotting of a > stump? > I live in middle Georgia and I had to remove a pecan tree that was I used a stump rotting product years ago. It killed the stump! But I still ended digging it up a few years later. It was easy to get out, because it was dead and fairly dry. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1230) Sat 7 Jan 95 15:06 By: Jodie O'keefe To: Mark Baker Re: where were you ? :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 3:640/215@fidonet.org 789de35b @REPLY: 3:640/215@fidonet.org 789dd265 @REGEED: 1.02u2 00910007 i am back now.. where are you honey? love jo --- Ezycom V1.02 01fd0028 # Origin: Power Up OZ +61-7-399-1322 (10 lines) (3:640/215) @GPTH: 640/215 217 9600/0 @GATE: 1:382/502.0@fidonet 2f103b8b * Origin: FidoNet <-> PODNet EchoGate! (1:382/502.0) @PATH: 382/502 91 92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1231) Sun 8 Jan 95 1:54 By: Mark Baker To: Jodie O'keefe Re: where were you ? :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 3:640/215@fidonet.org 78a03b5c @REPLY: 3:640/215@fidonet.org 789de35b JO>i am back now.. where are you honey? JO>love JO>jo err..i am here now...um sorry jodie, i waited for an hour but you never came back :( I missed you, i really did :((( I look so much forward to hearing from you and seeing you *HUGS* love mark :) --- Ezycom V1.02 01fd0028 # Origin: Power Up OZ +61-7-399-1322 (18 lines) (3:640/215) @GPTH: 640/215 217 9600/0 @GATE: 1:382/502.0@fidonet 2f103b8b * Origin: FidoNet <-> PODNet EchoGate! (1:382/502.0) @PATH: 382/502 91 92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1232) Sat 7 Jan 95 10:53 By: Bob Anderson To: James Pace Re: storing root crops ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:326/418 87922335 I'll remember for next year, it's a little late for this one. I ended up canning everything, except the rutabagas which I tried to just store in a bucket in the basement. They got all soft and I ended up tossing them on the compost heap. Next year I 'll try your suggestion for the ones I'd like to eat come march or april or may , I somehow don't see myself digging in the deep Feb. snow. and try to either can, freeze or, bury in sand, what I'd like have through dec. jan. and feb. JP>I live in southern Ontario at about the same latitude as Maine. I cover my JP>carrots, parsnips,and beets with a 24 inch thickness of leaves when the heav Good use for the lawn raked leaves before the compost pile. JP>frost starts to set in. The ground beneath does not freeze and dig g the JP>vegetables fresh until first week of April. If you try this remember the lea bet it makes the digging easier too. JP>must extend at least 24 inches beyond the patch for proper protection otherw JP>the outer rows will be frozen. No I do not cut or break downhehe tops of the JP>vegetable before adding on the leaves. The ground freezes to 4 feet here.. is this different than there and... is it important, do you think? JP>The leaves must be dry and fluffy when placed and they seem to create a roof JP>for themselves that sheds the water. Wet leaves seem to just freeze right on JP>through. JP>This is in reply to message 148. Do you grow blue hubbard squash up there and how do you store it if you do. I got a lot of it but the fruit seens to get punky very soon. By thanksgiving I'd lost a quarter of my crop. I'm thinking of freezing, but I'd like to find a more natural method. Health Bob þ SLMR 2.1a þ I went mad once. Did me a world of good. --- WM v3.10/93-0903 * Origin: * NOZONE BBS * Springvale, ME (207) (1:326/418) @PATH: 326/418 409 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1235) Sat 7 Jan 95 0:00 By: Doreen Clancy To: All Re: Blasting Wells ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f0dd988 I have a 20 foot deep well and the water table has dropped. Apparently in other areas many people have had success recently with using a small charge to fragment the rock at the base of the well. I've only heard of them doing this on very deep wells. My pump now sits on solid rock. Has anyone had any experience with this or any other method? We really need help here folks so would appreciate any info. Thanks. ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1236) Sat 7 Jan 95 12:40 By: Steve Knight To: Hal Clark Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:105/69.2 2f0e8c70 @REPLY: 1:3611/6.0 8790082C @CHRS: IBMPC 2 Hello Hal! Replying to a message of Hal Clark to All: HC> I live in middle Georgia and I had to remove a pecan tree that was HC> causing problems near the house and I left the stump in a flower bed HC> that I don't wish to destroy removing the stump. I've seen HC> advertisements, but am not familiar with these stump removers, and HC> would appreciate comments from someone with experience who could give HC> a name and source of one that works well. =============================================== Well they consist of potassium. (I know I misspelled it) And they recomend you drill holes pour it in and then light a fire on top to drive it in. Stump grinding is the best method. The thing to do when you remove a tree is to leave about 6 feet of the trunk and then you have a lever to use to pull it out. =============================================== In the world of computers Life is a glitch and then you fry. --- FleetStreet 0.98wb * Origin: FROM The DOGHOUSE (1:105/69.2) @PATH: 105/69 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1245) Mon 9 Jan 95 15:18 By: Dennis Garringer To: Marilyn Boissoneault Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to Dennis Garringer <01-08-95 16:59> Marilyn Boissoneault wrote: MB> I'm glad I live in Florida, sounds dangerous to ones mental health to MB> be MB> in the frozen north. Well, It's not all that dangerous here. I'm not realy in that much cold. According to the town motto, Above the fog and Below the snow. Paradise is in northern California, 90 mile north of Sacramento. Have had lots of rain though and thats keeping me indoors. I think I will have my sister in Portland Or. send me some of thier suntan lotion (WD 40)!! Anyway, if the rain would let up(but we realy need it), I want to put some kind of sprinklers in the front yard. I think this year, instead of watering flowers, I will plant some veggies in the flower beds. Don't get to much of a head start on the rest of the country with your tomatoes now........... Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1246) Mon 9 Jan 95 21:24 By: Jesse Tharin To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b04722 @REPLY: 1:106/4015 2f0f2ec6 > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? You left out a *LOT* of information, but for a simplistic yet great rule of thumb, add organic material of any sort, and add it bigtime! Dig in anything you can find, composted or not, short of animal products and carnivore manure. Then add more. Mulch with tons of straw, then dig it in and mulch some more. I think the shortest shortcut is to hijack a peat moss truck. Unless you're dealing with plastic clay, forget adding sand, vermiculite, perlite and other non-organic structural modifiers. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1249) Mon 9 Jan 95 16:53 By: Steve Knight To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:105/69.2 2f116a75 @REPLY: 1:106/4015 2f0f2ec6 @CHRS: IBMPC 2 Hello Dave! Replying to a message of Dave Neumann to All: DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? =============================================== Easy lots of compost leaves peatmoss or other organic matter mixed in each year. use some gypsem to help break it up. and use orcanic fertilizer that ill help alot. =============================================== In the world of computers Life is a glitch and then you fry. --- FleetStreet 0.98wb * Origin: FROM The DOGHOUSE (1:105/69.2) @PATH: 105/69 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1250) Mon 9 Jan 95 16:55 By: Steve Knight To: Michael Taricani Re: Wiring problem... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:105/69.2 2f116ac6 @REPLY: 1:142/983 2f0e5752 @CHRS: IBMPC 2 Hello Michael! Replying to a message of Michael Taricani to All: MT> I bought a new ceiling fixture and plan on installing it myself. But MT> when I opened it there was a warning the store did not tell us about. MT> It said our supply should be rated for 90 degrees and not 60 degrees. MT> I understand wire gauges and load, but never encountered temprature MT> before. How do I know if my wires are rated for temp? They are MT> all 12 GA. =============================================== Don't worrt to much as thats not too hot make sure its not old wire. =============================================== In the world of computers Life is a glitch and then you fry. --- FleetStreet 0.98wb * Origin: FROM The DOGHOUSE (1:105/69.2) @PATH: 105/69 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1254) Sat 7 Jan 95 20:50 By: Alan Crudden To: Ken Jones Re: Creature comfort problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:141/266 54ad9c2a @PID: RA 2.02 80571 If you're having problems with airflow within central a/c ducts, you might want to try some of the "inline" devices which can boost the air speed. I've seen them advertised in a variety of magazines and apparently some of them even come with thermostats so they only run when the temp level is achieved. Alan --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The Shotgun BBS System, RemoteAccess PRO, Stamford Ct, USA (1:141/266) @PATH: 141/266 252 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1255) Sat 7 Jan 95 20:57 By: Alan Crudden To: All Re: Wood burning Stove maintenance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:141/266 54ad9db8 @PID: RA 2.02 80571 I've seen several ads for materials to burn in stoves for the purpose of removing creosote buildup. Have any of you had experience with such products and if so how did you feel about their performance? I've just had my stove cleaned and the sweep remarked on the creosote buildup, suggesting I move to harder woods and a hotter fire. That'll help for sure, but I thought something else might be in order for occassional use. Alan --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The Shotgun BBS System, RemoteAccess PRO, Stamford Ct, USA (1:141/266) @PATH: 141/266 252 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1256) Mon 9 Jan 95 10:22 By: Richard Rose To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2f11786c DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? Mix in peat moss, but be sure to add lime also as peat moss alone will raise acidity, lime will bring it back down. Mix in gypsum, this helps break down clay. I have a very heavy clay and high water table (the term swamp comes to mind). I finally gave up and went to raised bed gardens. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1284) Mon 9 Jan 95 8:31 By: Kent Anderson To: Karin Brewer Re: Drafty windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2f11b826 -=> On 07 Jan 95 08:05:06, Karin Brewer said this to John Hartman KB> Given a place with sufficient space and adequate windows (or KB> additional money for lighted plant stands), I'd love to get back KB> into orchids. Well, one of these days, maybe, with luck... Karen, Next time you go to a nursery, ask if they have Phaleanopsis orchids and give them a look. They come in many beautiful colors, and here in Austin, they bloom from late January to September. I have three now flowering, and they are sitting near windows that face northeast. These are dual pane, so they may not prosper near singfle pane windows unless that room temp stays above 55 deg. They are very easy to care for. Water once weekly, and feed a dilute balanced fertilizer about every other feeding. Kent, --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1285) Mon 9 Jan 95 8:38 By: Kent Anderson To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2f11b827 > After all its a balmy -30C or for you US people -20F or > so, with ice fog and its actualy quite nice out, you just have to > dress for it. I know it now I am going to get a reply from someone > in Alaska saying how nice our weather is. Nolan, We've been having a fairly severe winter here. (Austin, Tx) On two mornings, the temperature has been 32 deg and never got above 50 deg. Of course, yesterday, Jan 8, it was 75 deg in the afternoon. Joking aside, it's really been a mild season. Some of the deciduous trees have still not lost all their leaves, and for us, spring will begin in Late February or early March. Asutin lies right on a zone dividing line, so winters can vary from quite mild, Like San Antonio, or quite cold, Like Dallas. Kent, ... Expect the best. Prepare for the worst. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1286) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:25 By: Anton Johnson To: Sharon Moore Re: ADDRESSES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sharon, > Hi, > just got my first house, it is drab and needs lots of flowers, etc > this > spring and summer. can yall post me some addresses and 1 800 > numbers to > order tons of flower catalogs and I would love to get a cataloge for > Lily Pond, I want an outdoor pond so bad. any help, tips, etc would You can genarally get all of the flowers and other fauna that you want from you local nursary. Be sure to check all of the discount houses around where you live and any nursary that may be off the beaten track. For instance I purchased some plants at a local nursary in a 1 gallon can for $5.00. Forty miles away I was getting 5 gallon cans (plants 3-5 times larger) for the same price. Also I found a wholesale nursary that caters to the public nearby and I was able to find some plants at a super reasonable price. Home Depot is sometimes an excellent source of plants too. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 215/56 215 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1287) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:29 By: Anton Johnson To: John Clary Re: ADDRESSES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I bought my house two years ago and wanted to get the entire > landscaping job done in one summer. :) I did too much work and made > too many expensive mistakes. > > I'd recommend getting a good book on planning your landscape. Get a > plan going before and then try to implement it. Some garden centers > will help you develop a plan for free. Dear John, My wife and I purchased a new home 2 years ago. The front yard was already landscaped (if you can call it that). The backyard is bare bones. We went to a landscape designer that came highly recommended. She came out and found out what type of things we like, returned to her studio and drew up the plans for us. Some of the things we will probably never do and other items we changed. When it comes to the plants we did not like some of the plants and asked for substitutes. Sometimes we come across a plant we like and we call her to get her imput. She charged us somewhere around $450 for the plan but is always ready to spend a few minutes on the phone making other recommendations. The yard is coming together and I plan to put in the back yard lawn in the near future. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 215/56 215 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1288) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:32 By: Anton Johnson To: Sharon Moore Re: DOGS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > dogs. I also show and raise dobermans. so no sense doing much > there. Dear Sharon, as you landscape your yard find out how well specific plants will get along with your dogs. Sometimes a plant is not good for pets as well as children for that matter. Sometimes just rubbing a plant and then licking the area can cause a pet to get ill or expire if it is one that is poisonis (sp?). Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 215/56 215 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1289) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:38 By: Anton Johnson To: John Clary Re: ADDRESSES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Heh. You should see mine! 70% bermuda grass, 20% weeds and 10% > dirt! The bermuda looks real good from about May through October > but it's brown the rest of the year. It is normal for bermuda to be brown when it gets cold. Mine is a kindof dull green right now. Do you put winter fertilizer on your lawn. I did and it made some difference. Some folks will sow rye in their lawns in the winter time to keep a green lawn. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 215/56 215 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1293) Sun 8 Jan 95 15:25 By: Doreen Clancy To: Robert Foster Re: Freedom Hedge Rose ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f1003d0 RF> I recently received the new Spring Hill Nurseries. I am curious to if RF> anyone has had any experience with the Freedom Hedge Rose advertised RF> It looks just perfect for what I need. Low maintenance, hardiness, a RF> fairly fast grower, and a heavy bloomer. I wonder if this is similar to the wild rose we have growing here. The birds eat the rose hips so there's wild rose along fence lines, under phone lines, anywhere under where birds sit. Because it's viewed as a weed there's not many people here who shape it, etc. Guess the farmers don't really consider it an addition to their property. Do you have a similar wild rose proliferating there? It's certainly low maintenance, hardy, etc. Many times I'm at the nursery and see what I think of as "bush" plants (e.g. boxwood) carefully potted, acclimatized and sold for $5. ... OFFLINE 1.51 "If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1294) Sun 8 Jan 95 16:05 By: Doreen Clancy To: Lori Gall Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f100d32 LG> I live in Saskatchewan, Canada (which is a Zone 3 climate I think) and LG> I need plants that can take care of themselves pretty much, LG> It would be nice if they reseeded themselves too. Hi Lori, I lived in your Province (Saskatoon & Regina) for awhile. The best people to talk to are at plant nurseries right in your area. Perennials grow in every area (usually called weeds). Weeds though are just misplaced flowers and if you look around you may find species you can group together that will look nice and take little work. They already want to grow there. Really look at your neighbour's yards and start chatting to any flower growers. They have invaluable information. I've lived in many Canadian provinces and always use local nurseries as my experts with local gardeners the icing on the cake. Stop into a nursery about Feb. 1st in your area, they'll give lots of ideas and steer you clear of problems as well. They'll know the perennials that'll grow in your area that aren't native (so we call them flowers, not weeds ). Usually gardeners just love talking about gardening so we must be the most approachable people in the world . ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1305) Sun 8 Jan 95 23:25 By: Keith Mcelroy To: Bill Mason Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org 9fae0dbc -=> Quoting Bill Mason to Keith Mcelroy <=- KM> Tried for years to grow watermelons and finally gave up... The KM> mulch I was using was so rich that the fast growing vines were KM> wearing out the melons by dragging them along the ground and KM> wearing them out before they had a chance to get ripe.. BM> Wait a sec...isn't it only the end, or apex of a plant stem BM> that grows? Golly Bill, I dunno..... Been a while since I tried growing them.. Sounds about right to me though.... BM> Ah, but I take it the vines were also bending toward BM> light... anyway, I believe a common cure for such problems is to get BM> old nylons, put a young melon fruit in each one, and nail or tie them BM> to a fence, pole, wall, etc. They get their air & sunlight, don't rot BM> or get "dragged", and are afforded some protection from pests... Where I'm living now I don't have such good soil but am limited by space ..... Thanks for the growing tips Bill, I'm sure they will help others with similar problems... Maybe I could try some of those little round baby melons.... I'm into growing hot peppers now mostly for my own Salsa and hot jellies.... BTW been gardening long? TTYL, >>>---Keith---> ... Tree falls in forest. Hits Milli Vanilli. Someone else screams ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1306) Sun 8 Jan 95 23:25 By: Keith Mcelroy To: Lori Gall Re: Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org 29586a08 -=> Quoting Lori Gall to All <=- LG> I live in Saskatchewan, Canada (which is a Zone 3 climate I think) and LG> I am looking for flower seeds. I have alot of space - would love to have LG> thousands of colorful flowers to admire. I need plants that can take care LG> of themselves pretty much ... the colors don't matter...the more the LG> better. It would be nice if they reseeded themselves too. Hi Lori, From reading your post I'd say that you were looking for primarily wildflowers... I remember seeing an ad for cans of wildflower seeds that came in mixtures like "Far West", "Southeastern" and "Far North" but have not seen this ad in awhile... Perhaps someone has seen the ad recently and can help you with the address... Here is a address and telephone number for a wild flower seed catalog co. located in Vermont... It's free and you could use it to compare prices with if nothing else.. The Vermont Wild Flower Farm Dept GJ 5 Route 7 Charlotte, VT 05445-0005 Tel: 802-425-3500 Happy gardening Lori.... Great Tagger!! LG> ... CATASATROPHE: Award given to the cat with the cutest buns. Swiped.....! >>>---Keith---> ... And there are those who moon cows...... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1307) Sun 8 Jan 95 23:25 By: Keith Mcelroy To: Melissa Nadeau Re: Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org 5d1aec63 -=> Quoting Melissa Nadeau to All <=- MN> My husband and I are considering purchasing 25 or so acres in MN> Virginia. We are considering two lots - We would like to be able MM> to turn a profit with the land so that we would not have to work MM> much at conventional jobs. Hi Melissa, Saw you post and thought I'd try to be helpful... I don't know zippo about farming or caring for animals... I do know that farming etc is requires lots of hard work, long hours and some major bucks to start from scratch... turning a profit is really tough .... talk to some farmers befroe you start... with a small ammount of acreage working at regular jobs will be probably just help you meet ends each month... You see each cow needs about a acre of pasture each in the summer... Not much acerage to make money farming either... Ask a lot of questions before you start... What you are considering has the potential to be a big money pit... Be careful.. MN> Does anyone have any ideas as to what types of revenue could be MN> generated from owning this land. Any suggestions for us? Maybe some kind of greenhouse or nursery operation would work if you can find a niche and fill it... If nothing else maybe a mini orchard big enough to make a little on the side... Look at a Stark Bros. catalog and see the dwarf and semi dwarf tree that don't grow as tall as standards and are easier to prune... They have a orchard planning service.... a good information resource but remember when talking to folks who sell things they aren't going to tell you about all the difficulties.. Wish you guys lots of luck... I hope you all can figure something out that has a chance to succeed... Now I'm kidding here just to give you all a smile but if you could get the government to pay you $100.00 each NOT to raise hogs and you could convince them you aren't raising about 200 next year that would be a good start.. Good Luck... >>>---Keith---> ... Never, never try to milk a cow when your hands are cold!! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1308) Sun 8 Jan 95 19:31 By: Doreen Clancy To: Rita Bussell Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f103d74 RB> I also saw an everblooming climbing rose bush that is suppose to grow RB> in shade in the Parks Seed Catalog. Do you happen to have the name of this variety handy? I'd really like to check into its availability here as there's this shady spot... Thanks. ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1311) Mon 9 Jan 95 17:41 By: Dan Williamson To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3410/1.0 f11ba001 @REPLY: 1:106/4015 2f0f2ec6 Dave Neumann wrote: DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my DN> garden? Add in a sand and peat mixture should go a long way to helping your soil. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/1) @PATH: 3410/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1317) Mon 9 Jan 95 16:36 By: Kent Anderson To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2f136b0a -=> On 08 Jan 95 00:14:58, Dave Neumann said this to All DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? Dave, Fork in lots of compost, or if you don't have that, peatmoss. Add a generous scattering of sand. Should grow about anything if the other conditions (sun, temperature, water) are adequate. Kent, --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1336) Tue 10 Jan 95 0:39 By: Glenn Deery To: All Re: Farm Show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2626/105 87930993 For those who are interested The Pennsylvainia Farm show is going on this week in Harrisburg. I will post more tommorrow night after I get back from it and will let you all know the times and if its worth it or not. --- WM v3.10/94-0210 * Origin: THE RISING PHOENIX BBS (1:2626/105) @PATH: 2626/105 10 273/70 80 203 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1340) Tue 3 Jan 95 19:56 By: Tom Megow To: Sharon Allsup Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.02 b10Hr SA > TM> I need to find a source (hopefully in the S.E.) for > TM> vietnamese coriander.I live in lower zone 8,Will it do > TM> well here?TIA > > Plain old coriander does well in the south. I've never heard of > Vietnamese coriander but have a late fall transplant of the regular variety > that is doing well (very mild Ft Worth winter). > > You can usually find it in nurseries and catalogs, often under the > name Cilantro. Coriander the spice is the ground-up seed of Cilantro the > plant. It likes sun and a nitrogen-rich soil will give you lush leaf growt > (harvest & dry the leaves for chili & salsa spicing). Eventually it will b > when summer heat comes on. The seeds are VERY fragrant and strong when jus > harvested! *grin* > > 1995 seed catalogs are coming in fast and furious now. If I see an > entry for a "Vietnamese" coriander/cilantro I'll pass it on to you. TM> Sharon thanks for the reply.I grow cilantro here in So. Ga and it >does well.I can't get enough grown by the time the tomatoes are ready >to make salsa.Someone on rec.gardens suggested a periennial substitute >called vietnamese coriander.No one else seems to know of a source for >it, although one reply grew sme he got from a local nursery but was >afraid to use it because it smelled like cilantro. Thanks again God Bless you and your garden * JABBER v1.1 * REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q) --- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] * Origin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) @PATH: 3645/10 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1341) Tue 10 Jan 95 17:01 By: Rita Bussell To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? JT> I think the shortest shortcut is to hijack a peat moss truck. I *LIKE* this idea the best! Besides the peat moss I save some of the leaves I rake up in the fall in plastic bags and set them aside somewhere outside to rot. You can also add some lime to it to make it a little sweeter and I think it also makes it break down a little faster. I'm not sure how long it takes. I never really paid much attention. Of course you could eliminate the bags and make a compost pile instead. ... Even weeds have needs ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: MISSION CONTROL FUNHOUSE 203-374-0101 & 9367 (1:141/466) @PATH: 141/466 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1351) Wed 11 Jan 95 15:06 By: Marilyn Boissoneault To: Dennis Garringer Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:374/147.10 060f2070 @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A @TID: GE 1.11+ Hi Dennis Paradise is DG>in northern California, 90 mile north of Sacramento. Paradise is really in Central Florida. DG>Anyway, if the rain would let up(but we realy need it), I want to put some DG>flowers, I will plant some veggies in the flower beds. I'm surprised there is any rain left over for the rest of the country. We have had nothing but rain this year, including 9 inches in a few hours from Tropical Storm Gorden. That did wonders for the tomatoes. DG>Don't get to much of a head start on the rest of the country with your DG>tomatoes now........... I have to get a head start, by July 4th they are usually history. When can you start your tomatoes? Nice hearing from you. Marilyn PS Saw the morning paper, I guess you are getting more than your share of rain. Never watch TV news so I must have missed it. * SLMR 2.1a * California Raisins murdered--Cereal killer suspected. --- JCQWK [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! - People Online * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) @PATH: 374/147 85 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1352) Wed 11 Jan 95 10:20 By: Jesse Tharin To: Keith Mcelroy Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b24e74 @REPLY: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org cda7dc11 > Tried for years to grow watermelons and finally gave > up... The mulch I was using was so rich that the fast growing > vines were wearing out the melons by dragging them along the ground > and wearing them out before they had a chance to get ripe.. If you take a large sheet of plywood, spread urethane on it and coat it with sand while the urethane is still wet, and then invert it on top of the watermelons, weighing it down (a few sacks of sand should work well), it'll even out the wear. Also that way when you slice it you get watermelon sticks, which are easier for the kids to eat. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1353) Wed 11 Jan 95 13:05 By: Jesse Tharin To: All Re: grubs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b27500 Is there any "organic" way to control/kill pre-emerged beetle grubs? We have the nearly harmless June Bug beetles, Green Fruit Beetles, a few so-far unidentified ones, but are lucky enough to *NOT* have Japanese Beetles. I'm not concerned enough about the grubs to dump pesticides on my food beds but they do eat enough to make themselves (along with other beasties) official pests. If I do decide to have faith in modern chemistry, doesn't carbaryl (as a soil drench) have the shortest half-life among established pesticides? Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1354) Tue 10 Jan 95 21:33 By: Dennis Garringer To: Alan Crudden Re: Re: Wood burning Stove maintenance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to All <01-07-95 20:57> Alan Crudden wrote: AC> I've seen several ads for materials to burn in stoves for the purpose AC> of removing creosote buildup. Have any of you had experience with AC> such products and if so how did you feel about their performance? AC> I've just had my stove cleaned and the sweep remarked on the creosote AC> buildup, suggesting I move to harder woods and a hotter fire. AC> That'll help for sure, but I thought something else might be in order AC> for occassional use. Alan, I used to burn a combination of lodge pole pine, oak, and ceder. The ceder seems to help keep the flue clean. Also, don't choke the fire down all the time. Let it burn once in a while. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1356) Wed 11 Jan 95 10:29 By: Jo Meyers To: Cathy Mcgregorsmith Re: Re: Re:canadian organic farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Hi Cathy, I'm located in Montgomery, Alabama so we have a pretty mild winter. In fact I still had Zinnias blooming in early December. Yesterday I walked out to my back garden and found the first blooming daffodil. I don't have a greenhouse but I try to start seeds inside in flats . I must be doing something wrong because although the seeds sprout the stems become very thin and weak. I've tried pinching of the top leaves but it hasn't helped. Any suggestions? WBS Jo PS.I'm only growing flowers. --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1361) Tue 10 Jan 95 8:49 By: Mark Kemp To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:152/6.0 2f12ba7c > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? Till in lots of organic matter. Add sand (you'll read warning against adding sand, saying the combination of sand and clay will result in "concrete", but if you also add organic matter, this doesn't happen). If your soil isn't already too alkaline, add lime. If all else fails, build raised beds and fill with imported soil. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** ___ | AmiQWK 2.5 | --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Pandora's Box * Eugene OR * (503)343-4520 * HST/DS * (1:152/6) @PATH: 152/6 3 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1362) Tue 10 Jan 95 21:17 By: Jim Coakley To: Sheryl Moore Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 87941C2B @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 SM>i also have some other shareware ag and >hort programs to numerous to mention here,but can send you a list by >mail. Hi Sheryl, 'scuse me for buttin' in here, but if you would care to have some of your programs put on a few boards around here, I'd be happy to do it for you. After all this IS The Garden State!8-) Most people I know garden to one degree or another and some even have critters. Just let me know. JimC. * QMPro 1.53 * The tide's so high the sharks are eatin' the 'maters N.J. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: The Magic Dominion 1:107/614 n.j. 908-583-7894 28.8 (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1363) Tue 10 Jan 95 16:51 By: Janet McCoy To: Dan Williamson Re: Re: Log Houses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:134/73.0 2f141db3 -=> Quoting Dan Williamson to All <=- DW> I've recently purchased a log home and wonder if anyone knows DW> the proper maintenance procedures for the outside of a peeled DW> (hardwood) log building? I have heard that a washing in a bleach and DW> TriSodiumPhosphate solution followed by caulking of the cracks and a DW> coating of CETOL will preserve and protect it. Since I live in a major DW> rain belt area with storm force winds one side of the house takes DW> quite a beating. This is not a panabode but a full log home. Looking DW> forward to any enlightenment. DW> regards, Hi Dan I live in Alberta in a log house (logs like yours) that I built 12 years ago. The logs weren't real well cured when it was built so I've re-calked the seams a couple of times and pulled the framing off all the windows and doors and stuffed in more insultaion once. As for the logs themselves I've had really good luck with Behr Rawhide. When I built the house I put on one coat of Sears Weatherbeater stain and two coats of Behr clear varnish. Since the I've put on another coat of Behr about every three years before the finish goes all grey and the logs have stayed a really nice color although they're gradually getting to be a darker brown. If the exterior of your house has been neglected until it has deteriorated you might have to try something like the TriSodium etc. to restore it to a nice appearance before you put a preservative on. I've also heard of sandblasting. Hope you enjoy your log home as much as I love mine. I've never regretted the decision to build it. Bye for now Jan ... Perform Random Acts of Kindness --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Messhall, Calgary AB. ATI19200etc (403) 286-7545 (1:134/73) @PATH: 134/73 17 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1364) Tue 10 Jan 95 17:02 By: Janet McCoy To: Basil Barnes Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:134/73.0 2f141db4 -=> Quoting Basil Barnes to Sharon Allsup <=- BB> Sure, that would be great. We generally get summer between about July BB> 28 and August 1 ... somewhere in there for about a 24 hour period. BB> The frost generally has disappeared by that time, but the problem is BB> that the sounds around here at that time of year are something BB> terrible. BB> You see, over the winter a lot of sounds made outdoors in this area BB> get frozen and don't go anywhere. They just freeze and fall to the BB> ground and get covered up by the snow. BB> Consequently, when they thaw out in late Spring or summer we have a BB> terrible time as the sounds "come to life" so to speak (sigh, pun not BB> intended, I think). BB> The really neat thing is trying to identify whose voices were whose, BB> when we sit and listen as they thaw out. It really is a lot of fun! Hi Basil You really brought a smile to my day. Where'd you get your tall tale training? Careful - someone not from around here might believe you .:) Down here in the south (Dogpound - NW of Calgary) the temperature's gone from 0F to 45F since yesterday morning. 'Course tomorrow it'll probably be back to -20 and I'll have missed the only day of spring to get my garden in. Makes me want to start ordering things from some of the seed catalogues I got last month. Bye for now Jan ... Without black clouds there would be no rainbows. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Messhall, Calgary AB. ATI19200etc (403) 286-7545 (1:134/73) @PATH: 134/73 17 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1365) Tue 10 Jan 95 12:47 By: Steve Austin To: Rita Bussell Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:105/52.0 2f12ba2a Good Afternoon Rita from Bethany Ct ! Am VERY interested in how you make out with the Rose bush in your shady area. Built 3 shady gardens last summer around the base of some trees. Brought in plenty of new soil and mulch. Am researching Hosta (only have some large boring varieties) with keen interest. all the best, Steve --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: The Garden Pond (503)735-3074 28.8K V.FC (1:105/52) @PATH: 105/52 69 50 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1387) Wed 11 Jan 95 21:45 By: Basil Barnes To: Kent Anderson Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 09 Jan 95 08:38:26, Kent Anderson wrote: > After all its a balmy -30C or for you US people -20F or > so, with ice fog and its actualy quite nice out, you just have to > dress for it. I know it now I am going to get a reply from someone > in Alaska saying how nice our weather is. KA> We've been having a fairly severe winter here. (Austin, Tx) On KA> two mornings, the temperature has been 32 deg and never got above 50 KA> deg. Of course, yesterday, Jan 8, it was 75 deg in the afternoon. ROFL It's been really cold up here lately. In fact the other night I went to blow out the candle (we only get electricity turned on during weekends) and I couldn't. It was so cold that the flame had frozen solid, and I had to break it off to turn out the light! ;-) --- A sysop's love for his users is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. --- DLG Pro v1.0 * Origin: Amiga Devil BBS, Edmonton AB, Supra 28.8 (1:342/53) @PATH: 342/53 61 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1388) Wed 11 Jan 95 15:49 By: Rita Bussell To: Doreen Clancy Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RB> I also saw an everblooming climbing rose bush that is suppose to grow RB> in shade in the Parks Seed Catalog. DC> DC> Do you happen to have the name of this variety handy? I'd really like DC> to check into its availability here as there's this shady spot... The name is Zephirine Drouhin. I don't know if you'll be able to find it in a garden center yet. Sometimes when a new plant becomes available in the catalog, it takes a while for it to show up in the garden centers. Send Parks Seed Co. a note requesting a catalog and they'll be happy to send you one. The address is Cokesbury Road, Greenwood, SC 29647-0001. Here's the description they have for it: A sensation when it was introduced in 1868, this is still one of the most popular of all climbing roses, today. The loose, semi-double cerise- pink flowere are romantic in form and fabulously fragrant. Produced in enormous quantity for an outstanding mass effect all season long, peaking especially in spring and fall. Growth is vigorous, reaching 15 to 20 feet high, with rich, dark green foliage that has a coppery tint when young. Very resistant to mildew, this is an excellent rose for shady areas. such as climbing on trellis against a north wall. The canes are thornless, great for planting where foot trffic is heavy, or where children are nearby. Lovely when kept pruned as a shrub, too Zones 5-9 $9.95 each; 3 for $26.95; 6 for $52.00 ... If a parsley farmer goes bankrupt, can they garnish his wages? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: MISSION CONTROL FUNHOUSE 203-374-0101 & 9367 (1:141/466) @PATH: 141/466 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1399) Wed 11 Jan 95 18:23 By: Della Knight To: Michael Taricani Re: Wiring problem... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2608/20.0 2f146882 @REPLY: 1:142/983 2f0e5752 Are you sure there's no mixup on the Celsius and Farenheit terminology? 60 drgrees would seem to be adequate in a person's home and I don't see how a ceiling fan should cause the wire temperature to rise as high as 90 c. If it did I don't think I'd install it in my house. But if you really wanted to you could have a new wire pulled in for the one circuit you need for the fan. It wouldn't be as much trouble as a new installation because there would be existing wire to pull it in with. I'd like to know how you make out, good luck. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Phoenix High School BBS - Phoenix, New York (1:2608/20) @PATH: 2608/20 25 27 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1403) Thu 12 Jan 95 0:06 By: Philip Perlman To: Alan Crudden Re: Wood burning Stove maintenance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:278/304 2f1473b4 @REPLY: 1:141/266 54ad9db8 Hello Alan! On Saturday January 07 1995, Alan Crudden was seen whispering to All: AC> I've seen several ads for materials to burn in stoves for the purpose of AC> removing creosote buildup. Have any of you had experience with such AC> products and if so how did you feel about their performance? I've just AC> had my stove cleaned and the sweep remarked on the creosote buildup, AC> suggesting I move to harder woods and a hotter fire. That'll help for AC> sure, but I thought something else might be in order for occassional use. If you're not using hardwoods -- e.g. oak, hickory, beech, maple, birch, etc -- then you are asking for creosote. If you have a brick chimney; i.e. an uninsulated one they tend to build up creosote faster than an insulated metal chimney because creosote build up will occur when the flue is cools the gases from the stove. The trick to minimizing creosote buildup is when you first start the stove let it heat up to much higher than normal. I use a magnetic temperature gauge attached to the flue pipe. Normally it stays in the orange range which if I recall is somewhere between 300-600 degrees fahrenheit. When I first start the stove I run the temperature up so high that it pins the gauge, then I damp it and let it cool off. This procedure will help burn off some of the creosote build up in the chimmney. If you are running your stove continuously (which is what I do when I am at my place upstate) then you should run the temperature in the stove up high at least once a day. Hope this helps. ttyl. /* Phil */ --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) @PATH: 278/304 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1404) Thu 12 Jan 95 0:13 By: Philip Perlman To: Keith Mcelroy Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:278/304 2f14748b @REPLY: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org 29586a08 Hello Keith! On Sunday January 08 1995, Keith Mcelroy was seen whispering to Lori Gall: LG>> I live in Saskatchewan, Canada (which is a Zone 3 climate I think) and LG>> I am looking for flower seeds. I have alot of space - would love to LG>> have thousands of colorful flowers to admire. I need plants that can LG>> take care of themselves pretty much ... the colors don't matter...the LG>> more the better. It would be nice if they reseeded themselves too. KM> From reading your post I'd say that you were looking for primarily KM> wildflowers... I remember seeing an ad for cans of wildflower seeds KM> that came in mixtures like "Far West", "Southeastern" and "Far KM> North" but have not seen this ad in awhile... Perhaps someone has KM> seen the ad recently and can help you with the address... KM> Here is a address and telephone number for a wild flower seed KM> catalog co. located in Vermont... It's free and you could use it to KM> compare prices with if nothing else.. KM> The Vermont Wild Flower Farm KM> Dept GJ 5 KM> Route 7 KM> Charlotte, VT 05445-0005 KM> Tel: 802-425-3500 Vermont Wild Flower Farm is the one that sells mixtures for various locales. I have used there products for years w/ great success. Also their prices in quantity lots are quite reasonable. ttyl. /* Phil */ --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219 * Origin: * BlueDog BBS * (212) 594-4425 * NYC FileBone Hub (1:278/304) @PATH: 278/304 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1419) Wed 11 Jan 95 10:31 By: Hal Clark To: Steve Knight Re: Stump Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3611/6.0 8795BB68 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12a 91-0065 >Well they consist of potassium. (I know I misspelled it) And they recomend >you drill holes pour it in and then light a fire on top to drive it in. Is this potassium the same thing as potash? Sounds like that ought to clean it up for sure. >Stump grinding is the best method. The thing to do when you remove a tree >is to leave about 6 feet of the trunk and then you have a lever to use to >pull it out. Duuh Uhuh?? :) ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ Seriously, I have done this several times before, but I don't want to work that hard. I already tried to talk my wife into doing it for me and that didn't work either. I also want to wait a couple of years before I replace the timbers around the bed, and they are too close to escape damage if I remove the stump mechanically. Thanks for you advice. Hal --- * OLX 1.52 * Those large rolls of grass? They're cow cocoons. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12a * Origin: ZAP! HST/v32terbo * 1-912-788-5258 (1:3611/6.0) @PATH: 3611/6 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1420) Thu 12 Jan 95 10:39 By: Jesse Tharin To: Mark Kemp Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b3a44e @REPLY: 1:152/6.0 2f12ba7c > > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? > Till in lots of organic matter. Add sand (you'll read warnings > against adding sand, saying the combination ... will result in > "concrete"... Yep, I've heard that a lot. The reason I warned him against adding sand wasn't the concretion argument but seeing that he was from (had to look it up) the Dallas area I was guessing that he had "clay" soil that's mostly coarse sand, sort of what we have here in much of Arizona. It acts like we expect a clay soil to act, both wet, wet worked, and crusted, short of extreme plasticity. I think people underestimate the amount of sand in soils of all sorts, and without enough organic stuff a little clay goes a loooooooooong way. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1422) Wed 11 Jan 95 9:15 By: Terry Olsen To: Kim Erdman Re: Re: Fishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:WILDRNSS Hey there is good fishing in the Trinity Alps. I've been camping near Upper and Lower Canyon Creek Lake and a few other places in the Trinities. I plan to go this summer for a couple of weeks. Maybe some fishing, maybe some gold panning, and for sure some breathing fresh mountain air and listening to nature and loving it. I am lookin for a parter to go with. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: The BBS at Pooh Corner (707)445-0500 2 node 14400 (1:125/37) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1423) Mon 9 Jan 95 22:52 By: Chuck Fasterling To: Anne Madison Re: Bears ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:WILDRNSS @MSGID: 1:3800/39.3 2f11bed0 @REPLY: 1:261/1055.0 2f0f21aa Hello Anne, Whazzup? Quoting Anne Madison to Valerie Shearer On 07 Jan 95 at 19:20 About Bears AM> Good for them! We had a case several years ago where a woman was AM> bitten by a copperhead in a state park here in Maryland. She AM> sued the state park for having been negligent in not eradicating AM> the snake population. Sheesh! That is disgusting! What is happening to our society these days? I hope that the case turned out against her. She should have been fined and/or jailed for wasting the courts time, and the publics' money! TTYL, Chuck --- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615 * Origin: Stargate 1 * Baton Rouge, LA * 504-923-3053 (1:3800/39.3) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1424) Mon 9 Jan 95 22:42 By: Chuck Fasterling To: Tim Ralph Re: Lnt? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:WILDRNSS @MSGID: 1:3800/39.3 2f11bcb8 @REPLY: 1:229/125@Fidonet 000111FA Hello Tim, Whazzup? Making a comment about your message to ANNE MADISON On 02 Jan 95 at 22:08 About Re: Lnt? All I can do is _DREAM_ about the area that you live in and especially the area that you spoke of canoeing in. That must be (in my opinion) one of the worlds most beautiful areas. Here in southern Louisiana, you cannot see farther than about 2 miles through air, and 2 inches through water. It's the pits. Please take in the beauty of your backyard wilderness for a few dreamers here in the states. Thanks for your time, TTYL, Chuck --- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615 * Origin: Stargate 1 * Baton Rouge, LA * 504-923-3053 (1:3800/39.3) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1425) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:25 By: Anton Johnson To: Sharon Moore Re: Addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:HOME-N-GRDN Dear Sharon, > Hi, > just got my first house, it is drab and needs lots of flowers, etc > this > spring and summer. can yall post me some addresses and 1 800 > numbers to > order tons of flower catalogs and I would love to get a cataloge for > Lily Pond, I want an outdoor pond so bad. any help, tips, etc would You can genarally get all of the flowers and other fauna that you want from you local nursary. Be sure to check all of the discount houses around where you live and any nursary that may be off the beaten track. For instance I purchased some plants at a local nursary in a 1 gallon can for $5.00. Forty miles away I was getting 5 gallon cans (plants 3-5 times larger) for the same price. Also I found a wholesale nursary that caters to the public nearby and I was able to find some plants at a super reasonable price. Home Depot is sometimes an excellent source of plants too. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1426) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:29 By: Anton Johnson To: John Clary Re: Addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:HOME-N-GRDN > I bought my house two years ago and wanted to get the entire > landscaping job done in one summer. :) I did too much work and made > too many expensive mistakes. > > I'd recommend getting a good book on planning your landscape. Get a > plan going before and then try to implement it. Some garden centers > will help you develop a plan for free. Dear John, My wife and I purchased a new home 2 years ago. The front yard was already landscaped (if you can call it that). The backyard is bare bones. We went to a landscape designer that came highly recommended. She came out and found out what type of things we like, returned to her studio and drew up the plans for us. Some of the things we will probably never do and other items we changed. When it comes to the plants we did not like some of the plants and asked for substitutes. Sometimes we come across a plant we like and we call her to get her imput. She charged us somewhere around $450 for the plan but is always ready to spend a few minutes on the phone making other recommendations. The yard is coming together and I plan to put in the back yard lawn in the near future. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1427) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:32 By: Anton Johnson To: Sharon Moore Re: Dogs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:HOME-N-GRDN > dogs. I also show and raise dobermans. so no sense doing much > there. Dear Sharon, as you landscape your yard find out how well specific plants will get along with your dogs. Sometimes a plant is not good for pets as well as children for that matter. Sometimes just rubbing a plant and then licking the area can cause a pet to get ill or expire if it is one that is poisonis (sp?). Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1428) Mon 9 Jan 95 14:38 By: Anton Johnson To: John Clary Re: Addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TYPE:LOST AREA:HOME-N-GRDN > Heh. You should see mine! 70% bermuda grass, 20% weeds and 10% > dirt! The bermuda looks real good from about May through October > but it's brown the rest of the year. It is normal for bermuda to be brown when it gets cold. Mine is a kindof dull green right now. Do you put winter fertilizer on your lawn. I did and it made some difference. Some folks will sow rye in their lawns in the winter time to keep a green lawn. Anton... --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Aardwolf Express Fremont, Ca. (510) 797-8700 (1:215/56) @PATH: 106/9944 5 992 449 116 170/400 270/101 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1434) Thu 12 Jan 95 10:07 By: Jim Wilson To: All Re: Sofa Problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: T.A.G. 2.7c Standard @MSGID: 1:130/702 2f150021 I've got a two year old so you can imagine some of the stuff I've found wrong in the house. :) At any rate, I was cleaning around the house and decided it was time to turn the sofa cushions. When I did I found two pen ball-point pen marks on one of the cushions. They're approx 6" long and are blue. I have no idea how long they've been there...my two year old just couldn't remember. :) Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to remove these pen marks? Thanks, Jim --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: Night Lights BBS, Ft. Worth, TX (817)267-8952 (1:130/702) @PATH: 130/702 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1437) Thu 12 Jan 95 6:22 By: Karin Brewer To: Kent Anderson Re: Drafty windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 8795778E -> -=> On 07 Jan 95 08:05:06, Karin Brewer said this to John Hartman -> -> KB> Given a place with sufficient space and adequate windows (or -> KB> additional money for lighted plant stands), I'd love to get back -> KB> into orchids. Well, one of these days, maybe, with luck... -> Next time you go to a nursery, ask if they have Phaleanopsis orchids -> and give them a look. They come in many beautiful colors, and here in -> Austin, they bloom from late January to September. I have three now -> flowering, and they are sitting near windows that face northeast. -> These are dual pane, so they may not prosper near singfle pane window -> unless that room temp stays above 55 deg. They are very easy to care -> for. Water once weekly, and feed a dilute balanced fertilizer about -> every other feeding. I saved your message, for when I get the chance of trying orchids again. You buy yours just at a regular nursery, or do you have a place that specializes in orchids. Austin isn't some place I get to very often, but it isn't all that far from San Antonio. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1442) Thu 12 Jan 95 21:41 By: Marilyn Boissoneault To: Tom Megow Re: Vietnamese Coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:374/147.10 0695b389 @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A @TID: GE 1.11+ Hi Tom I'm new her and just saw this. TM>SA > TM> I need to find a source (hopefully in the S.E.) for TM> > TM> vietnamese coriander.I live in lower zone 8,Will it do TM> > TM> well here?TIA TM> > Veitnamese Coriander is not related to regular coriander. It was offered a couple of years ago in the Hastings Seed Catolog. Unfortunately, they quit the mail order business last year. They were located in Atlanta Ther catolog discription was: Not related to coriander but has similar flavor and holds up to the heat of summer. A low-growing herb for hanging baskets or the front of the bed. Attractive two-toned leaves, Pink flowers. Tender perennial. THe scientific name is Polygonum odoratum. Unfortunately I don't know another source Hopes this will help your search. Marilyn. * SLMR 2.1a * It's 10:00 PM..... Do you know where your tagline is? --- JCQWK [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! - People Online * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) @PATH: 374/147 85 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1443) Thu 12 Jan 95 21:41 By: Marilyn Boissoneault To: Jo Meyers Re: Spindly Plants ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:374/147.10 0695b38a @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A @TID: GE 1.11+ Hi Jo Hope it is okay tojump in on this message. JM>I don't have a JM>greenhouse but I try to start seeds inside in flats . I must be doing JM>something wrong because although the seeds sprout the stems become very thin JM>and weak. Sounds like they are not getting enough light. If you are using artifical lights move the light closer. Also maybe give them a few more hours of light per day. I use florescents and run them from the time I get up until I go to bed at night. I'm in central Florida and on nice sunny days I put them outside for a while and protect them from wind. Clear plastic around them gives them more heat. There is no substitute for real sun if you can protect them. Marilyn * SLMR 2.1a * A flashlight is a case in which to carry dead batteries. --- JCQWK [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! - People Online * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) @PATH: 374/147 85 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1445) Wed 11 Jan 95 22:43 By: Agnes Colgan To: Sheryl Moore Re: Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 2f149734 -=> Quoting Sheryl Moore to Melissa Nadeau <=- Hi Sheryl, SM> would you like a copy of diversified alternative farming that i just SM> finished writing?i write garden and ag shareware,and have farmed Hope you don't mind if I jump in here. I'am interested in alot of your programs, especially the diversified alternative farming, hydroponics, greenhouses and the animals (especially any about cows,pigs, chickens or rabbits) gardening- vegetables and ways to store, flowers, etc... If I sent you a SASE could you send me a list of your programs? TTYS Aggie ... New Mail not found. Start whine-pout sequence? (Y/N) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1446) Wed 11 Jan 95 22:58 By: Agnes Colgan To: Sharon Allsup Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Sta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 2f149aba -=> Quoting Sharon Allsup to All <=- SA> For those who were wondering what happened to the SA> HOME-N-GRDN echo, and where it stands now, here's a summary: SA> The previous moderator, Bob Germer, requested that SA> all of his echos be SA> removed from Fidonet distribution. Although he kept the SA> HOME-N-GRDN ELIST entry active, the echo was effectively SA> split cut off at the Zone 8 (RBBS-Net) <> Fidonet gateway SA> and no longer existed in Fidonet. Hi Sharon, I can't tell you how pleased I'am that Home-N-GRDN is back online. I must have gone nuts there for a couple months looking for messages and everytime I thought to inquire as to what happened I got sidetracked. (Thankfully you didn't) Anways browsing a local echo someone wanted to know if there was any activity in the garden echo when Alan said he had it on his bbs. I've only noticed a couple names from when Bob had the echo so I'am sure alot of people have assumed it's no longer available. Thanks for getting this on the ground, and please be gentle with me if I have ascii characters in my tagline:) TTYS Aggie ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1447) Wed 11 Jan 95 23:10 By: Agnes Colgan To: Jim Bilderback Re: Re: Seedswap Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 2f149d8c -=> Quoting Jim Bilderback to Sharon Allsup <=- Hi Jim, JB> were there many problems with swaps here? i had fun sending out the JB> foxglove seeds and enjoyed those i received. i didn't get or notice JB> any commerical harrassment. I for one received your foxgloves and sent seed out to other people in the echo with no problems. (Most of us just asked for a SASE) BTW- your foxgloves did make it here, but due to me they never did anything. I suppose it would be due to the fact that I had to quick plant them, went on vacation for 3 weeks (and there was no rain and temps in the 100's) Where you the one who wanted unusual varieties of sunflowers? The new seed catalogs had a nice variety this year and I've ordered about 5 different ones. When I get them if you are interested in them I'll send you some. TTYS Aggie ... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1448) Wed 11 Jan 95 23:28 By: Agnes Colgan To: All Re: Planting Canna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 2f14a1c6 Hi everyone, Anyone have experience with Canna? Well I really don't except know that they are what I want this year. At about a $1.00 a bulb(plant?) I can only get a couple dozen and would like to know what they require. Also I've seen in a couple books they are easily grown from seed- are they really? How long before they actually bloom? Either way what are their blooming times. What would be a good plant to put in front of them? If I read right they grow approx 4-5 feet. In zone 7 can they be left in the ground during winter? TTYS Aggie ... Sorry, the Dog ate my Blue Wave packet. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1449) Wed 11 Jan 95 23:55 By: Agnes Colgan To: All Re: Introduction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:261/1000.0 2f14a81c Hi to all the new and old faces, Happy to see the echo back up and running (Thanks Sharon) and just thought I would say hi. I live on 2 acres with cows and cornfields for neighbors, miles from town (and love it that way). I have pigs, chickens,rabbit, 3 dogs,3 cats oh and yes I'am married and have 2 beautiful girls. This spring will be getting steers. I love gardening veggies and flowers. I can my own veggies but discovered a food dehydrator which is wonderful. My vegetable garden is 50x100 and this year I will be making a 2nd garden for strawberries and raspberries and a grape arbor. Also I will be buying a couple more fruit trees. In the garden I plant carrots,tomatoes,peas,beans, pumpkins,green peppers, gourds etc.... I have different plots of flowers including marigolds zinnia's,sunflower,4 o'clocks,morning glories,impatients,nicotina, etc... The spring garden this year was daffodils and tulips, but I planted over 300 more of them plus some hycintias and I forgot what else:) This year I'am leaning more towards perenials(sp?) especially Canna and Lilies (can these be grown be seed successfully? Also blazing star, lupines, colimbine, and a few more. I have been in a frenzy trying to cut my seed catalog orders down from the originally $5,000 to under $50.00:) VERY hard to choose!! Now all I need to do is keep the puppy from digging (he dug up 60 iris roots:( and found the cat was eating my pumpkin seeds, she especially liked my Luminere (white) pumpkins so I have to order more of them. TTYS Aggie ... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Nerve Center - Source of the SPINAL_INJURY echo! (1:261/1000) @PATH: 261/1000 1023 396/1 3615/50 3641/1