(264) Fri 16 Dec 94 21:02 By: Keith Sippy To: Ken Jones Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:283/121.0 2ef246ba KJ> Don't know if it is really fixed, I seem to be getting KJ> reply traffic that I never saw the orignal message. KJ> Like the Mole message Lots of replys pass through here KJ> but I never saw the one that started it. I've seen the same thing. I don't think it is completely fixed. And it is hard to pin down. Keith --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Aardvark's Aquarium -- We all live in one fishbowl. (1:283/121) @PATH: 283/121 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (266) Tue 20 Dec 94 12:29 By: Robby Crownover To: Ken Kuzenski Re: This Old Crawlspace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.456 2ef6ce57 @REPLY: 1:3641/1.1@fidonet 4bed0b66 Hello Ken! What part of Holland are you from? 17 Dec 94 08:26, Ken Kuzenski wrote to All: KK> I could use advice on a problem that's worrying my wife. KK> We live in Raleigh, NC, in a brick-and-wood rental house KK> above a dirt crawlspace holding the furnace & water heater. I saw one like that once. ;-) KK> The house is on the damp side; my wife has been told by a KK> couple of people who may or may not know what they're talking KK> about that we can keep the house drier by putting down KK> plastic sheeting or other barrier material in the crawlspace. They know what they are talking about. Run, do not walk, to the nearest hardware warehouse and buy enough plastic sheeting to cover the dirt under the crawlspace. Get the heavy stuff so that you won't tear it up while you crawl over it. Then get thee (and any available-but-unfortunate friends) hence unto thy hands and knees and spread it out under your house, making sure you cover all the dirt and that the edges overlap at least a few inches. The more the overlap, the less you'll have to worry about it becoming dislodged while you are working. KK> Anybody know about this? Experiences? Drawbacks? TIA. 1) Get your prince-of-a-landlord to pay for the plastic. Tell him it will save him from replacing the plush carpeting (!), the floor joists, and his rentors. 2) During the cold weather, keep one of your crawlspace vents open, preferably one near the furnace and not near any plumbing. Close the other vents unless you are willing to pay the extra money it will cost you for heating your cold floor. Leaving all the vents open initially *will* help dry out the crawlspace, if you are willing to pay the price. 3) Come spring, open all the vents. 4) Try to divert any rainwater away from the house. This includes water from gutters and downspouts (if any). 5) Make sure you don't have any other sources of moisture (leaking pipes, bathtub, guacamole, etc.) that exacerbate the problem. The plastic itself will likely be the single most effective measure. Robby --- GoldED 2.41+ * Origin: = I thought *you* were the expert on this subject. = (1:3641/1.456) @PATH: 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (276) Sat 17 Dec 94 17:28 By: Jo Meyers To: Jesse Tharin Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Thanks for the response. I hope you and yours have a happy holiday. BTW what do you like to grow? Jo --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (277) Sat 17 Dec 94 5:11 By: Pat Stockett To: Karin Brewer Re: cactuses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 877B62DA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 Hi Karin! KB> Ah! Fancy meeting you here... I'm glad that you're back KB>to getting messages here as well. You'd no sooner mentioned it in net that a packet appeared. :-) KB> Maybe I need to move mine to the kitchen window and see KB>whether that does anything for them. I got them on the roofed-over KB>porch just now, but that's not very good light there. Mine doesn't get much real sun. In the summer they hang from tree branches in heavy shade. I think where they normally come from they grow on trees. In any case, they bloom the following year on only the new straps. I've wondered if they need the cool nights the way the Christmas and Thanksgiving cactus do. The big ones bloom twice a year for me, once in the spring and again in late fall to early winter. KB> I wonder who I can evict from the kitchen window? The African KB>violets have got to stay (there's thirteen of them blooming just now), KB>and my one Christmas cactus, after vegetating for two years, has KB>decided to live up to its name after all, so that too has got to KB>stay, else it's likely to drop its buds. Maybe the coleus or the KB>chives. Steve put hooks in the ceilings for me back a little from the windows. I can put a hanging plant behind the window that way. Actually, it's not safe to put anything right on the window sill in my kitchen. It faces to the north east and the winter storms hit them full force. KB> What other houseplants do you do, aside from the orchid cactuses? I've brought all of my plants into the house this year. The greenhouse just couldn't be kept warm last year and then with the storm damage I lost quite a few things. I don't want to take the chance that it will repeat again. So all of my cymbidiums (18?) are in, a bird of paradise, assorted spider plants and a couple of monster Boston ferns. I'm sure there's more stuck in there. How about you? Do you have plants all over too. TTYS -Pat * SLMR 2.1a * New Jersey, The Garden State. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (279) Thu 15 Dec 94 23:37 By: Ken Jones To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Jesse, > I'm here in Montgomery, Alabama and we have just started > receiving > this echo. I'm real excited about it but I'm not sure if my messages are > making it on to the echo. Would you please send me a Hello to see if I'm > getting on ok? Thanks Jo You made it to Keller Texas. --- DB 1.53/002232 * Origin: The Twilight Zone (1:130/503.2) @PATH: 130/503 509 124/1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (281) Sat 17 Dec 94 12:20 By: Liz Schroeder To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 877C00BA @PID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h [Eval] JM>Hi Jesse, JM> I'm here in Montgomery, Alabama and we have just started receiving JM>this echo. I'm real excited about it but I'm not sure if my messages are JM>making it on to the echo. Would you please send me a Hello to see if I'm JM>getting on ok? Thanks Jo JM>--- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) JM> * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) Season's Greetings from the middle of the Ozarks, Yellville, AR. -=Liz=- * SLMR 2.1a * Middle of the roaders get run over by both sides. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (282) Sat 17 Dec 94 17:58 By: Cal Clift To: Dennis Garringer Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 877C00BB @PID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h [Eval] In a message dated 12-15-94 DENNIS GARRINGER wrote to DOREEN CLANCY: DC> One thing I notice is that my furnace seems to cut in and out a lot DC> more frequently then other people's. But my heating bill seems to be DC> about DG> If yours is like mine you have a "Swing" setting. This is the number DG> of degrees in either direction that it has to change to actibvate the Ciao, Hi Dennis and Doreen, I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea about the thermostat, but that setting is called the "heat anticipator". It is measured in tenths of amps. Your thermostat has a little electric heater in it that anticipates the heat that will be driven out of your duct work after the burner is turned off by the thermostat, but before the fan cycles off on its heat switch. The heat anticipator should be set at the amp draw of the rest of your 24 volt control system. If the heat anticipator is set too low ( too far toward the smallest numbers) the temperature will swing too far in your house, (say from 7 or 8 degrees), if it is set on too high a number, the furnace will go off and on rapidly. A good rule of thumb it to look at your gas valve, ( the electric valve right before the burners in the furnace) and it will have a number on like .35 Amp. You can then set your heat anticipator in the thermostat to .35. I came along late in this thread but I hope this helps you, if not just ignore it (-: Cal CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.00h * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (284) Sun 18 Dec 94 7:29 By: Ken Kuzenski To: Robby Crownover Re: This Old Crawlspace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.1@fidonet 4bf9b3ba @REPLY: 1:3641/1.456 2ef6ce57 on , Robby Crownover to Ken Kuzenski said: KK>> talking about that we can keep the house drier by putting KK>> down plastic sheeting or other barrier material in the crawlspace. RC> They know what they are talking about. Run, do not walk, to the RC> nearest hardware warehouse and buy enough plastic sheeting to Thanks, Robby! I knew there'd be an expert on some echo ... :-) RC> cover the dirt under the crawlspace. Get the heavy stuff so RC> that you won't tear it up while you crawl over it. Then get thee RC> (and any available-but-unfortunate friends) Hmmm ... Did I mention that I've got a new batch of that porter that'll be drinkable in 2 weeks? RC> 1) Get your prince-of-a-landlord to pay for the plastic. Tell RC> him it will save him from replacing the plush carpeting (!), the RC> floor joists, and his rentors. The landlord? *Paying* for something? It is to laugh! RC> 5) Make sure you don't have any other sources of moisture RC> (leaking pipes, bathtub, guacamole, etc.) that exacerbate the RC> problem. But it's AUTHENTIC guacamole! RC> The plastic itself will likely be the single most effective Many thanks--opsy hopsy! --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-4542 (1:3641/1.1) @PATH: 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (286) Fri 16 Dec 94 14:15 By: Richard Rose To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Annual Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2ef20f13 NC> Today I have a question for next year. I am looking for suggestions NC> for plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be Seed catalogs are a good place to get ideas. NC> suggestion for a plant to try out drop a line describeing it. I would NC> like some reds, yellows, pinks ect.. I would also prefer ones where I How about a bit more info. Light, soil type, height preferences, etc. I can help with lots of ideas, but to help keep the postings smaller, it would help to narrow this down. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (287) Fri 16 Dec 94 21:33 By: Wes Leatherock To: Dennis Garringer Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/3101.0 877B1ABA @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 93-0212 -=> Quoting Dennis Garringer to Doreen Clancy <=- DG> If yours is like mine you have a "Swing" setting. This is the number DG> of degrees in either direction that it has to change to actibvate the DG> thermostat. I have played with mine and 2 or 3 degrees swing seems to DG> work best. I think the old round stats are about 5 degree swing. What kind of thermostat do you have? Many years ago thermostats were strictly metallic contacts and you could screw the adjusting screw to adjust the swing. (I usually like around 1/2 degree, if you could get it that close; the human body is one of the things most sensitive to temperature and can easily detect a one-degree difference.) But since they went to mercury switches I haven't seen one you could adjust. I'd like to get one. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: (1:147/3101.0) @PATH: 147/3101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (291) Sun 18 Dec 94 19:48 By: Jesse Tharin To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54932fa6 > BTW what do you like to grow? Anything that can be eaten six different ways raw and six cooked. My family has the weirdest assortment of appetites and tastes you can imagine. F'rinstance, take snap peas (the only thing growing right now aside from some seriously blitzed tomatoes): one likes them raw alone, one raw in salads, one steamed, one fried. I serve 'em in a rotating "take it or leave it" mode. Corn doesn't grow well here except early in the season. It wilts in the sun no matter how well you water, and I've had lots of trouble with any of the squashes, including cukes and pumpkins. Legumes, any of the tomato family and melons all grow fast and healthy enough to hurt you if you don't move out of the way fast enough. All of the leafy stuff grows well in the spring. We also grow ants, horned toads, killer sparrows that eat anything, and incredibly reactionary politicians. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Prologue - Tucson Arizona - 602.322.8014 - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (295) Sun 18 Dec 94 12:52 By: Bill Mason To: Richard Rose Re: Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus spake Richard Rose unto Bill Mason on the day of 14 Dec 94 10:22:18 RR> It sounds to me like a posting of echo rules would be a good thing to RR> do at this point. Is this echo relatively new? Our bbs just started RR> getting it. Well, I'm not sure, but it has the same tag name as an echo that was taken off the backbone over a month ago by a moderator (Bob Germer) who took all his echos off because they were gated to Internet newsgroups, and he was having trouble with FIDO people who didn't know better posting high ASCII characters, especially ones generated by their offline mailers in the ID lines. It got so people were complaining about there being at least one copy of the long, harshly pedantic form letter warning people they had better not post hi-order characters again posted publicly to someone with each mail packet in this echo. After the messages dried up, I kept this area configured to receive it, though, since I got a netmail from someone who was trying to establish an alternative Home & Garden echo that could be backboned once again, which led to my curiosity as to what exactly happened once we started receiving it again! --Bill --- Renegade v1-2 Exp * Origin: Growing by the River of Life: @c @d Fido 1:125/39 (1:125/39) @PATH: 125/39 37 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (296) Sun 18 Dec 94 22:13 By: Keith Sippy To: Richard Rose Re: test message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:283/121.0 2ef4fa4a @REPLY: 1:2245/101.0 2eef2f2a KS> This year I planted a number of roses. I've protected them by piling KS> up soil around them. However, it will be a bother to remove it in the KS> spring. Any other ideas? RR> About the only way to make it easier is to move south. Not too bad of an idea. :) I get tired of the cold and snow. And really start wanting spring to come around February. RR> * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & I think you must live somewhat near to where my dad grew up. Jim Falls, WI. Just a bit NE of Eau Claire. At least down here in IA we don't get quite as cold or as much snow...