cilantro seeds are called coriander where used for seasoning) * JABBER v1.1 * And God said: E = «mvý - Zeý/r ...and there *WAS* light! --- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] * Origin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) @PATH: 3645/10 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (682) Tue 20 Dec 94 15:50 By: Sharon Allsup To: All Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef743a0 For those who were wondering what happened to the HOME-N-GRDN echo, and where it stands now, here's a summary: The previous moderator, Bob Germer, requested that all of his echos be removed from Fidonet distribution. Although he kept the HOME-N-GRDN ELIST entry active, the echo was effectively split cut off at the Zone 8 (RBBS-Net) <> Fidonet gateway and no longer existed in Fidonet. A great deal of netmail was exchanged between sysops and the various backbone administrative folks trying to keep a "Homes & Gardens" style echo forum on the backbone or start a new one. Now that Germer had given up the Fidonet distribution, the echotag was available for re-use on our side of the gateway. A new ELIST entry was created using the same echotag (by accident, two new entries were created; Adrian has since deleted his). Adrian Walker, then Acting Z1EC, allowed the new HOME-N-GRDN to bypass the usual REC & node count requirements and go directly onto the backbone. It's taken several weeks of work and tracking by innumerable sysops and hubs (you all deserve congratulations) to restore the distribution paths within Fidonet for the echo. The almost 400 boards that receive this echo, and their feeds, did not have any warning when the echo was dropped and that simply added to the confusion and disarray. AIGH! But it's over with now and we're flowing again. As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? Questions? Comments? :w! --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (683) Tue 20 Dec 94 21:55 By: Sharon Allsup To: Gary Gilmore Re: addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef7992a Hi Gary, good to have you back! GG> I'm planning on ripping out ALL the grass, front & GG> back, sodding the front, and seeding the back (cheap GG> way out) after laying down a new layer of topsoil to GG> "re-energize" the soil. If you haven't already done it, instead of straight topsoil try a 50/50 mix of topsoil and finished compost. If you're going to mix in the new layer with the existing ground then you can go to 75-100% compost. It will do wonders for the new sod, and there's nothing like a load of composted manure to provide a long-term slow-release fertilizer. GG> I'd like to do *some* landscaping at the same time, but GG> just don't know what to do with it. The back is small, GG> and centered is a real nice magnolia (odd this far GG> north, but I love it), so there's not much I can do, Compost around the magnolia, aerate its soil and stand out of the way? ;) How about small crescent-shaped beds along the perimeter of the yard? --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (684) Tue 20 Dec 94 22:57 By: Sharon Allsup To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2ef7a7bc > I am a heating contractor in Arkansas, Dennis has the exact right idea > about KJ> KJ> Can I talk with you about heating and cooling problems KJ> I'm having here? Is there a better echo for it than KJ> this. I don't think the folks here really want to read KJ> about my creature comfort problems. Hey Ken, heating and cooling problems certainly fall under the 'home' part of HOME-N-GRDN. Go for it. Besides, I live in Keller, too, (Westlake on the map but Roanoke mailing address) and may benefit by lurking in on your discussion. If you're on the Co-Op's power, invest in a good UPS/power conditioner. They don't have blackouts often, but every thunderstorm or windy day has a number of flickers and brownouts. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (689) Thu 29 Dec 94 21:10 By: Lawrence London To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Local Sent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.502 b594e33e @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2ef743a0 @PID: FM 2.02 > For those who were wondering what happened to the HOME-N- > GRDN echo, and where it stands now, here's a summary: text deleted > Adrian Walker, then Acting Z1EC, allowed the new HOME-N-GRDN to bypass > the usual REC & node count requirements and go directly onto the backbone. text deleted > As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't > intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still > apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI > pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's > about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? > Questions? Comments? Simply, congratulations, to you and others who contributed toward keeping this great echo alive and well. H & G has been a great resource for many years. Lawrence London Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo Internet: london@sunSITE.unc.edu > :w! > --- Maximus 2.02 > * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) --- * Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo (1:3641/1.502) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (695) Wed 28 Dec 94 18:07 By: Ted Christensen To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: Hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:140/15.0 2f01efb8 Hi! Post to an echo and your message gets ALL over! It's snowing today, though the ground was almost bare for Xmas and it's about 15 above F. Can get much colder, though, down to -40. My wife and I are quite interested in water gardening. Have a couple of pools were we grow water lilies and such. Also a vegetable garden, roses, perennials, annual flowers, and a few hardy grape vines. We have to choose hardy, quick growing varieties (average of 100 days between frosts) but there is a lot of things we can grow during the summer. The up side is that we have much less trouble with insects and disease. Our winters take care of a lot of them. Nice hearing from you. Happy New Year! Ted --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The International 6+Gig Saskatoon,Sk.CANADA(306)384-7685 (1:140/15) @PATH: 140/15 201 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (710) Thu 29 Dec 94 10:01 By: Mark Kemp To: Lee Follweiler Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @EID:48ee 2f02f9c7 AH> NG> Those critters are known as the Tomato Caterpillar/Worm. LF> Hey, are they any good for fishing? Yes, but you have to outfit them with really tiny fishing poles. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Dr Rom BBS (1:152/21.0) @PATH: 152/21 22 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (733) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:49 By: Sharon Allsup To: Karin Brewer Re: Amaryllis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f035918 @REPLY: 1:387/403 877F778D KB> My mom used to just keep on watering as before until such time KB> as all the leaves had withered. Then, she let the plant rest, and start KB> watering again after several months, say in August or thereabouts. Some KB> would bloom again, but never with blossoms quite as big as the first KB> time round. Maybe she should have added a particular fertilizer. Fertilizer will certainly help if the bulb is to be used for the next season. Keep fertilizing after the bloom, since it's the greening period when most nutrients for next year are being manufactured and shipped down to the bulb for storage. She might also have been experiencing "bulb burnout", when a bulb doesn't get a chilly (or long enough) dormant period to fully recharge for the next year. Here in North-Central Texas, lots of bulbs will do beautifully the first year and then go seriously downhill in subsequent seasons unless they're dug up and refrigerated. Our winters are usually too mild for many Northern bulbs to have a good, solid winter's sleep. The info sources for the above are mixed garden club members and ES speakers. I asked about best bulb varieties for our weather and got the same lecture. The yard is full of iris and obviously bulb-type stems; we didn't see and buy the place until after blooming, so all I've seen so far are the fall-blooming spider lilies (GORGEOUS! WEIRD-LOOKING!). I'm dying of curiosity - what will these unknowns *be*, and what kind of blooms will we have. Answered your netmail, by the way. Thanks for pointing that out. I found a bunch of old messages that had not been sent out. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (734) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:32 By: Sharon Allsup To: Bill Mason Re: Re: MONSTER TOMATO CATERPILLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f03550a BM> favor BT spray (Bacillus Thuringensis or something like that) as BM> the best solution. Find it at your local nursery/garden supply BM> store or failing that, a catalog, spray on leaves, whereupon they BM> will eat it & it infects their digestive tract so they can no longer BM> digest anything & die. It's completely harmless to everything BM> except the Tomato Hornworms. Bt is effective against almost all caterpillars. It is harmless to birds & most wildlife, which is why it's so popular as an organic method of pest control - but it will kill many types of caterpillars, not just the Tomato Hornworms. Not to denigrate your recommendation - if hand picking the monsters & squishing them dead isn't feasible, Bt is a good way to save the tomatoes without the hassle & residue of many insecticides. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (735) Thu 29 Dec 94 19:40 By: Sharon Allsup To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: plants to try out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f0356e6 @REPLY: 1:342/71 b2036561 NC> plants to add some color to our flower beds. They had best be annuals NC> or tender pereneals, as they would have to be very hardy to survive our NC> winters, Zone 3. My wife likes petunias (prefers dark purple) and NC> geramiuns [...] I don't know if they are Zone 3 survivable, but 4 o'clocks are pretty, fast-growing, bloom from summer until frost and will, as the quaint phrase goes, "reseed vigorously". We all know what that means. ;) If you want to experiment with them, send me your Snail-Mail address, I still have some seeds left to give away. These are purple, pink and white, unsorted tho. They like full sun to light shade. Some in heavy shade did OK because it was "dappled" shade. Have you checked with your local Extension Service? They're not just for farmers anymore. Many will have excellent advice on not only what species, but also what strains with a species, will do best in your area and when to plant. Get a soil test done ($10-35, at least get the pH and basic org content work; if the budget allows get indepth mineral/chemical content & cation exchange capacity) and that'll tell you whether what you want to plant there will need a bit of "help" to be fully happy. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (736) Thu 29 Dec 94 20:04 By: Sharon Allsup To: Cal Clift Re: Re: Thermostat suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:130/404.1 2f035c98 @REPLY: 1:391/3020.0 878000BA (butting in on your exchange with Ken) CC> I tried to send you netmail, but you can go ahead and ask me questions CC> here, if you like. If it is off topic, we can go to netmail later. It's not off-topic. Moderator says so. SO THERE! This is Homes & Gardens, not just Gardens. It may only seem like a solid gardens echo because we gardeners would rather shovel 6 tons of uncomposted manure than work on the house. ;) I'd think a question on home thermostats would be quite in line with the echo's rules. Now advertising the thermostat, or someone's business to install heating systems, would fall under the no ads rule. There are also some echos better suited to some peripherally related topics: issues in buying a house or financing it may be more targeted for real estate or financing echos, even though the subject is a house. An electric generator question posted recently produced some answers that were very informative - I for one saved them to disk for later reference, and thank you to the people who offered advice. However, if the poster had asked about switching his entire house over to generated power permanently, I would have recommended they check out the backbone echo devoted solely to just that topic. But it wouldn't have been an Official Moderator Warning!!! There will be a rules posting shortly. (Translation: I wanna finish getting caught up on the mail that piled up during vacation) Other than seeing if I can slice them down to less than one screen's worth, I don't foresee any substantive changes. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) @PATH: 130/404 41 124/4115 1 396/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (760) Thu 29 Dec 94 13:47 By: Richard Rose To: Sharon Allsup Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2245/101.0 2f032628 SA> As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't SA> intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still SA> apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI pictures, SA> encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's about it. We Thanks Sharon. This board just picked up the echo recently, so I never realized it was down. Gardening is my favorite past time (and occupation for that matter) so I was excited to get this echo. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Swamp, River Falls WI 715.425.8865 & 612.436.5254 (1:2245/101) @PATH: 2245/101 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (761) Thu 29 Dec 94 17:04 By: Larry Besel To: Jo Meyers Re: Re: hello! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rSr @TID: FastEcho 1.40 7102 I'm from Dalton, GA. It's about 30 miles south of Chattanooga TN and 90 miles north of Atlanta. Our local economy is based upon carpet manufacturing, mild winters (occasional freeze) with ridge and valley topography. Really looking forward to the new year, hope your's is great! 12/29/94 5:10pm. ... Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters. --- * Origin: The Patriot BBS * (706) 695-8757 * Chatsworth, GA (1:3672/0) @PATH: 3672/0 133/1613 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (762) Wed 28 Dec 94 15:28 By: Morgan Wood To: Doreen Clancy Re: Tomatoes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:267/136.0 2f01842e @REPLY: 1:353/385.0 2eeb069a thanks for the info... sorry it took so long to answer. i haven`t been checking all my messages. blessings, morgan wood --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Access BBS * Ballston Spa, NY * 518-885-4192 (1:267/136) @PATH: 267/136 200 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (767) Fri 30 Dec 94 10:01 By: Jesse Tharin To: Ronald Clime Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54a2780a