Texas. I've a sneaky suspicion they would take a very dim view of anything even approaching chilly. Most places (including back home), they're strictly indoors plants. -> Here in North-Central Texas, lots of bulbs will do beautifull -> first year and then go seriously downhill in subsequent seasons unles -> dug up and refrigerated. Our winters are usually too mild for many N -> bulbs to have a good, solid winter's sleep. Ditto in San Antonio. I've a faithful paperwhite narcissus that started life in a flowerpot, and got dumped outside afterwards. Out of the whole group of maybe five bulbs, one has survived and blooms every year, in late fall. The Dutch iris are repeat performers, even with no care, but that ends the tale of my supposedly spring-flowering bulbs. -> The info sources for the above are mixed garden club members -> speakers. I asked about best bulb varieties for our weather and got -> lecture. The yard is full of iris and obviously bulb-type stems; we -> and buy the place until after blooming, so all I've seen so far are t -> fall-blooming spider lilies (GORGEOUS! WEIRD-LOOKING!). I'm dying o -> curiosity - what will these unknowns *be*, and what kind of blooms wi -> have. I've got a red spider lily volunteer (I guess it arrived with the Dutch iris bulbs from some co-worker thinning his plants), and isn't it a beauty! This place really doesn't lend itself to much in line of flowers, but it's something to look forward to for the next house. Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1128) Sat 7 Jan 95 8:05 By: Karin Brewer To: John Hartman Re: Drafty windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:387/403 87907792 -> If you have a drafty window and like orchids, you might try some of t -> dendrobiums. I got one in a local orchid club gift exchange a few ye -> that would not bloom for the original owner. One month later, in Jan -> sent out flower spikes. I had over 100 blooms on it at once! The wi -> very drafty and almost freezing. Something to consider. I think that was Pat, with the north-facing window. Mine just gets too cold in the rare freezing spells we have here (San Antonio, TX). For the most part, the problem is too much heat and sun, but with some of the filtering see-through gray plastic and with the aid of shorty lace curtains, I've got it to where my African violets seem to be happy. I think the one unsuccessful attempt at an orchid here was simply the combination of a worn-out plant (post-Mother's Day sales) and insufficient light. The thing was simply too tall to fit inside the window, and back on the ledge, behind all the other greenery... Given a place with sufficient space and adequate windows (or additional money for lighted plant stands), I'd love to get back into orchids. Well, one of these days, maybe, with luck... Karin --- WM v3.11/91-0010 * Origin: FliegWeg BBS - Home of VitaCal - (210) 496-6550 (1:387/403) @PATH: 387/403 800 31 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1130) Fri 6 Jan 95 23:43 By: Jesse Tharin To: Nolan Chamczuk Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54ac732a @REPLY: 1:342/71 03838a3f > After all its a balmy -30C or for you US people -20F or > so, with ice fog and its actualy quite nice out, you just have to > dress for it. I know it now I am going to get a reply from someone > in Alaska saying how nice our weather is. Not quite. It was 71F (22C?) today with bright clear sunny skies and snow on the mountains, and I plant tomatoes outside in eight weeks. God it's *SO* much fun to brag! I'm from New Hampshire (we escaped Quebec) and I'll roll over and die before living in that sort of cold ever again. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1132) Fri 6 Jan 95 15:59 By: Sheryl Moore To: Robert Goyette Re: ROOT KILLER WANTED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13139cd7 clean the lines first,and get rid of the sludge.there are several good products on the market.then flush a couple of yeast CAKES to get things going again. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1133) Fri 6 Jan 95 16:01 By: Sheryl Moore To: Louis Hinkley Re: Greenhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13139cd9 write me..i have a 16 x 48 that we built for 400.00.can draw you plans and a material list and you can make your any size. sheryl moore,p.o. box 574 harrah,ok 73045 --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1134) Thu 5 Jan 95 12:12 By: Doc Holladay To: Lawrence London Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Rcvd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27881 @REPLY: 1:3641/1.502 b594e33e @PID: timEd 1.01 Lawrence London wrote in a message to Sharon Allsup: > As the ELISTed moderator of the new HOME-N-GRDN, I don't > intend to make many, if any changes. The typical echo rules still > apply: stay on topic; no flames, commercial ads, huge ANSI > pictures, encrypted messages; and real names preferred. That's > about it. We really don't NEED lots of restrictions, do we? > Questions? Comments? LL> Simply, congratulations, to you and others who contributed LL> toward keeping this great echo alive and well. H & G has LL> been a great resource for many years. I agree with all of the congratulations and comments I have read here about Sharon becoming the moderator for this echo. LL> Lawrence London LL> Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo ^^^^^^^ Is this one available on the backbone as well. If so I will try and link into it on my system. > :w! > --- Maximus 2.02 > * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) LL> ___ LL> - Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo LL> (1:3641/1.502) LL> @EEN-BY: 133/1223 1242 1277 2501 2504 2505 2600 2602 2801 151/502 396/1 3615/50 LL> @EEN-BY: 3615/51 3641/1 207 223 224 LL> @PATH: 151/502 3641/1 3615/50 133/2602 1223 1242 2505 Have a good day, Doc --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/2501) @PATH: 133/2501 2505 1242 1223 2602 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1135) Thu 5 Jan 95 12:33 By: Robert Holladay To: Sharon Allsup Re: SEEDSWAP Echo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27883 @REPLY: 1:130/404.1 2f08aeee @PID: timEd 1.01 Sharon Allsup wrote in a message to All: SA> SEEDSWAP - The Seed Exchange SA> For user-to-user posts of seeds for trade or free ONLY. No SA> catalogs, commercial entries, seeds for sale, solicitations, SA> high postage/handling charges, or offers other than free or SA> swap. Users are strongly encouraged to use netmail and SA> common sense in the finalizing of any trade. This is SA> envisioned as an extension of the Backboned HOME-N-GRDN SA> echo, and indepth discussion of the growing requirements SA> should take place in that echo if at all possible. SEEDSWAP SA> will be backboned if interest and distribution warrant. A great idea. Netmail on the way to see about linking into your system for this one. Heck another potential advantage could be the ability to plan for different plants and seeds for using in the garden at a lower overall cost. Heck a lot of the seed packets have more in them than I need for just my own usage anyway. Have a good day, Doc --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/2501) @PATH: 133/2501 2505 1242 1223 2602 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1136) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:43 By: Sheryl Moore To: Lori Gall Re: I Need Seeds!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13950583 i have gallon size ziplocks of all different sizes and colors of zinnias and marigolds,can send you a good handfull of each,plus any others i run across..i am like you,a 28 hr day,so i only grow kiss plants.if they dont reseed,live thru the ikla winter,survive drought and neglect,i dont want them.also have over 2,000 iris in different colors,can ship you some starts of at least the yellow and purple,and have 6 or 7 different canna roots,can send starts of them,also.i have a 1/2 acre front yard on the farm,and am doing my best to fill it with trees,shrubs and flowers.if you can pay postage,or i can c.o.d it,it would be no hassle for me.let me know,ok? --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1137) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:49 By: Sheryl Moore To: Melissa Nadeau Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:147/180@fidonet.org 13950585 would you like a copy of diversified alternative farming that i just finished writing?i write garden and ag shareware,and have farmed livestock and vegetables for 15 years.let me know if you are interested,and if i can answer any specific questions,just e-mail me here.if you want the disk,please send a formatted disk,any size,and return postage to:sheryl moore,p.o. box 574 harrah,ok 73045.i also have disks on greenhouses,herbs,organic gardening,city gardening,hydroponics,mushrooms,and am starting some soon on sheep,pigs,rabbits and goats.i also have some other shareware ag and hort programs to numerous to mention here,but can send you a list by mail. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MEDICUS BBS in Edmond, OK 405-478-8250 (1:147/180) @PATH: 147/180 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1139) Sat 7 Jan 95 11:50 By: Rita Bussell To: Doni Goodwin Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm looking for some ideas on perennials for my front yard, which > is heavily shaded. How about Bleeding Hearts? Aside from the standard one, there is a miniture version which bloom all summer long. If you're not too concerned with flowers, Hosta comes in some very interesting varigated leaf patterns. You could also try Astilbe which comes in various heights and Heuchera (Coral Bells). You may have to just experiment a bit until you find what will grow or will not. Plants sometimes have a mind of their own. :-) I also saw an everblooming climbing rose bush that is suppose to grow in shade in the Parks Seed Catalog. I'm planning on giving it a try as I have an arch in by back yard which gets very little sun. ... This garden is for the birds! and the squirrels... and the rabbits... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: MISSION CONTROL FUNHOUSE 203-374-0101 & 9367 (1:141/466) @PATH: 141/466 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1160) Fri 6 Jan 95 22:04 By: Peter Becker To: Brian Murrey Re: hi guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2201/38.666 2f0dbeae @REPLY: 1:231/30 2EFF0D09 @PID: GED B1207 1025 Upon Sat 31-Dec-1994 18:35 thus spake Brian Murrey unto John Hartman: BM> Yummy. Hey John, are you still in seed savers? Would you by BM> anychance have some Birdhouse Gourd seeds I could bum off ya? Brian.. Netmail me your mailing address and I will send you some. Pete * A woman's only a woman; a good cigar's a smoke! --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Peter's Precarious Point (peterbecker@delphi.com) (1:2201/38.666) @PATH: 2201/38 200 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1170) Sun 8 Jan 95 21:31 By: Lawrence London To: Doc Holladay Re: Moderator & Echo Status St: Local Sent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3641/1.502 04154041 @REPLY: 1:133/2501.0 f0c27881 @PID: FM 2.02 > LL> Lawrence London > LL> Moderator: SUST_AG, Sustainable Agriculture echo > Is this one available on the backbone as well. If so I will try > and link into it on my system. It is definitely on the Backbone. Its low traffic and high quality. Another great one is HOMEPOWR, renewable energy resources for the homeowner and owner-builder (and tinkerer :-). Lawrence >> :w! >> --- Maximus 2.02 >> * Origin: SYSABEND CENTRAL (1:130/404.1) > LL> ___ > LL> - Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo > LL> (1:3641/1.502) > LL> @EEN-BY: 133/1223 1242 1277 2501 2504 2505 2600 2602 2801 151/502 396/1 > 3615/50 > LL> @EEN-BY: 3615/51 3641/1 207 223 224 > LL> @PATH: 151/502 3641/1 3615/50 133/2602 1223 1242 2505 > Have a good day, > Doc > --- > * Origin: Doc's Place BBS, Conyers Georgia 404-483-2168 (1:133/ > 2501) --- * Origin: EARTH*Net-Host:SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE Echo (1:3641/1.502) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1173) Sat 7 Jan 95 19:35 By: Cal Clift To: Ken Jones Re: Re: Creature comfort prob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:391/3020.0 879100B9 @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 93-0806 In a message dated 01-01-95 KEN JONES wrote to CAL CLIFT: KJ> The whole house is the flex plastic pipe (its just the way they do KJ> them here) there is the batting over the pipes with the silver type KJ> foil paper on it. What I see seems to be very secure. When the heat KJ> comes on it does puff the cold air out of the pipe for a few seconds, KJ> but it does climb to full heat in that amount of time. Ciao, Hi Ken The flex duct about which you refer is good and commonly used. It is made out of a special kind of plastic, so my statements about the inadvisability of using plastic pipe for duct stands. There is a temptation to weave that flex duct around, as it is being installed, but the runs should be as short, and direct as possible. If that room continues to be a problem, you may want to conceder installing a mini-split system for that room alone. A mini-split system is a small package ac or heat pump unit that is designed for one or two rooms. There is no duct work involved, as the inside unit either is mounted on the ceiling or wall. A lot of Jap. companies make them, though they are a little pricey, you could just abandoned the duct work to the bedroom from the main system. CAL CLIFT -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Ser#2-269 Origin: Alice strikes back @ --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: House of Bill Compute (1:391/3020.0) @PATH: 391/3020 3000 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1174) Thu 5 Jan 95 21:24 By: Paul Bourret To: Kris Gock Re: Pointsetta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:326/409 8790E5FF KG>PC> I have noticed that my pointsetta palnt is dropping it's leaves like KG>crazy don't wanter it every day but I can't stop the leaves KG>from dropping off... KG>PC>any suggestions? KG> Throw it out! KG> Seriously now, you COULD cut it back and let it start over but it's KG> so much trouble to get them to bloom again, that you're better off KG> just buying new ones next Christmas! :-) I agree it wouldn't be worth trying to get it to rebloom. I have a friend, however that replants them in his garden as foliage plants. They don't rebloom, but they make a nicely shaped green background plant. * OLX 2.1 TD * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- WM v3.11/94-0332