Saw you post and thought I'd try to be helpful... I don't know zippo about farming or caring for animals... I do know that farming etc is requires lots of hard work, long hours and some major bucks to start from scratch... turning a profit is really tough .... talk to some farmers befroe you start... with a small ammount of acreage working at regular jobs will be probably just help you meet ends each month... You see each cow needs about a acre of pasture each in the summer... Not much acerage to make money farming either... Ask a lot of questions before you start... What you are considering has the potential to be a big money pit... Be careful.. MN> Does anyone have any ideas as to what types of revenue could be MN> generated from owning this land. Any suggestions for us? Maybe some kind of greenhouse or nursery operation would work if you can find a niche and fill it... If nothing else maybe a mini orchard big enough to make a little on the side... Look at a Stark Bros. catalog and see the dwarf and semi dwarf tree that don't grow as tall as standards and are easier to prune... They have a orchard planning service.... a good information resource but remember when talking to folks who sell things they aren't going to tell you about all the difficulties.. Wish you guys lots of luck... I hope you all can figure something out that has a chance to succeed... Now I'm kidding here just to give you all a smile but if you could get the government to pay you $100.00 each NOT to raise hogs and you could convince them you aren't raising about 200 next year that would be a good start.. Good Luck... >>>---Keith---> ... Never, never try to milk a cow when your hands are cold!! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan v1.14b / 01-0262 * Origin: The Spy's Nest -Pensacola, FL- 904-458-0982 (1:3612/386) @PATH: 3612/386 42 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1308) Sun 8 Jan 95 19:31 By: Doreen Clancy To: Rita Bussell Re: Shady perenials ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:353/385.0 2f103d74 RB> I also saw an everblooming climbing rose bush that is suppose to grow RB> in shade in the Parks Seed Catalog. Do you happen to have the name of this variety handy? I'd really like to check into its availability here as there's this shady spot... Thanks. ... OFFLINE 1.51 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. (604)549-2409 24hrs free access (1:353/385) @PATH: 353/385 680 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1311) Mon 9 Jan 95 17:41 By: Dan Williamson To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:3410/1.0 f11ba001 @REPLY: 1:106/4015 2f0f2ec6 Dave Neumann wrote: DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my DN> garden? Add in a sand and peat mixture should go a long way to helping your soil. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/1) @PATH: 3410/1 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1317) Mon 9 Jan 95 16:36 By: Kent Anderson To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @TID: IMAIL 1.51/c+ PK32 @MSGID: 1:382/92.0 2f136b0a -=> On 08 Jan 95 00:14:58, Dave Neumann said this to All DN> does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? Dave, Fork in lots of compost, or if you don't have that, peatmoss. Add a generous scattering of sand. Should grow about anything if the other conditions (sun, temperature, water) are adequate. Kent, --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Rendezvous!! V34,VFC,H16 Bastrop, Tx [512-303-1324] (1:382/92) @PATH: 382/92 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1336) Tue 10 Jan 95 0:39 By: Glenn Deery To: All Re: Farm Show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:2626/105 87930993 For those who are interested The Pennsylvainia Farm show is going on this week in Harrisburg. I will post more tommorrow night after I get back from it and will let you all know the times and if its worth it or not. --- WM v3.10/94-0210 * Origin: THE RISING PHOENIX BBS (1:2626/105) @PATH: 2626/105 10 273/70 80 203 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1340) Tue 3 Jan 95 19:56 By: Tom Megow To: Sharon Allsup Re: vietnamese coriander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: ProBoard 2.02 b10Hr SA > TM> I need to find a source (hopefully in the S.E.) for > TM> vietnamese coriander.I live in lower zone 8,Will it do > TM> well here?TIA > > Plain old coriander does well in the south. I've never heard of > Vietnamese coriander but have a late fall transplant of the regular variety > that is doing well (very mild Ft Worth winter). > > You can usually find it in nurseries and catalogs, often under the > name Cilantro. Coriander the spice is the ground-up seed of Cilantro the > plant. It likes sun and a nitrogen-rich soil will give you lush leaf growt > (harvest & dry the leaves for chili & salsa spicing). Eventually it will b > when summer heat comes on. The seeds are VERY fragrant and strong when jus > harvested! *grin* > > 1995 seed catalogs are coming in fast and furious now. If I see an > entry for a "Vietnamese" coriander/cilantro I'll pass it on to you. TM> Sharon thanks for the reply.I grow cilantro here in So. Ga and it >does well.I can't get enough grown by the time the tomatoes are ready >to make salsa.Someone on rec.gardens suggested a periennial substitute >called vietnamese coriander.No one else seems to know of a source for >it, although one reply grew sme he got from a local nursery but was >afraid to use it because it smelled like cilantro. Thanks again God Bless you and your garden * JABBER v1.1 * REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q) --- ProBoard v2.02b10 [Reg] * Origin: Business Connection 5.1Gigs (912)249-0090 DStd (1:3645/10) @PATH: 3645/10 20 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1341) Tue 10 Jan 95 17:01 By: Rita Bussell To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? JT> I think the shortest shortcut is to hijack a peat moss truck. I *LIKE* this idea the best! Besides the peat moss I save some of the leaves I rake up in the fall in plastic bags and set them aside somewhere outside to rot. You can also add some lime to it to make it a little sweeter and I think it also makes it break down a little faster. I'm not sure how long it takes. I never really paid much attention. Of course you could eliminate the bags and make a compost pile instead. ... Even weeds have needs ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: MISSION CONTROL FUNHOUSE 203-374-0101 & 9367 (1:141/466) @PATH: 141/466 415 455 485 507 1130 1135 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1351) Wed 11 Jan 95 15:06 By: Marilyn Boissoneault To: Dennis Garringer Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:374/147.10 060f2070 @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A @TID: GE 1.11+ Hi Dennis Paradise is DG>in northern California, 90 mile north of Sacramento. Paradise is really in Central Florida. DG>Anyway, if the rain would let up(but we realy need it), I want to put some DG>flowers, I will plant some veggies in the flower beds. I'm surprised there is any rain left over for the rest of the country. We have had nothing but rain this year, including 9 inches in a few hours from Tropical Storm Gorden. That did wonders for the tomatoes. DG>Don't get to much of a head start on the rest of the country with your DG>tomatoes now........... I have to get a head start, by July 4th they are usually history. When can you start your tomatoes? Nice hearing from you. Marilyn PS Saw the morning paper, I guess you are getting more than your share of rain. Never watch TV news so I must have missed it. * SLMR 2.1a * California Raisins murdered--Cereal killer suspected. --- JCQWK [NR] * Origin: PipeLine! - People Online * Palm Bay Fl 407-728-7386 (1:374/147) @PATH: 374/147 85 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1352) Wed 11 Jan 95 10:20 By: Jesse Tharin To: Keith Mcelroy Re: Moderator & Echo Stat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b24e74 @REPLY: 1:3612/386@fidonet.org cda7dc11 > Tried for years to grow watermelons and finally gave > up... The mulch I was using was so rich that the fast growing > vines were wearing out the melons by dragging them along the ground > and wearing them out before they had a chance to get ripe.. If you take a large sheet of plywood, spread urethane on it and coat it with sand while the urethane is still wet, and then invert it on top of the watermelons, weighing it down (a few sacks of sand should work well), it'll even out the wear. Also that way when you slice it you get watermelon sticks, which are easier for the kids to eat. Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1353) Wed 11 Jan 95 13:05 By: Jesse Tharin To: All Re: grubs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: RA 2.02 22610 @MSGID: 1:300/7 54b27500 Is there any "organic" way to control/kill pre-emerged beetle grubs? We have the nearly harmless June Bug beetles, Green Fruit Beetles, a few so-far unidentified ones, but are lucky enough to *NOT* have Japanese Beetles. I'm not concerned enough about the grubs to dump pesticides on my food beds but they do eat enough to make themselves (along with other beasties) official pests. If I do decide to have faith in modern chemistry, doesn't carbaryl (as a soil drench) have the shortest half-life among established pesticides? Jesse * Origin: Tucson Arizona - Dry clear intermediate alkalai desert - (1:300/7) @PATH: 300/7 15 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1354) Tue 10 Jan 95 21:33 By: Dennis Garringer To: Alan Crudden Re: Re: Wood burning Stove maintenance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ In a message to All <01-07-95 20:57> Alan Crudden wrote: AC> I've seen several ads for materials to burn in stoves for the purpose AC> of removing creosote buildup. Have any of you had experience with AC> such products and if so how did you feel about their performance? AC> I've just had my stove cleaned and the sweep remarked on the creosote AC> buildup, suggesting I move to harder woods and a hotter fire. AC> That'll help for sure, but I thought something else might be in order AC> for occassional use. Alan, I used to burn a combination of lodge pole pine, oak, and ceder. The ceder seems to help keep the flue clean. Also, don't choke the fire down all the time. Let it burn once in a while. Bye!! --- QuickBBS 2.75 * Origin: Above the Fog ::::::::::: Paradise : (1:119/7) @PATH: 119/7 88 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1356) Wed 11 Jan 95 10:29 By: Jo Meyers To: Cathy Mcgregorsmith Re: Re: Re:canadian organic farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @Via SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) Hi Cathy, I'm located in Montgomery, Alabama so we have a pretty mild winter. In fact I still had Zinnias blooming in early December. Yesterday I walked out to my back garden and found the first blooming daffodil. I don't have a greenhouse but I try to start seeds inside in flats . I must be doing something wrong because although the seeds sprout the stems become very thin and weak. I've tried pinching of the top leaves but it hasn't helped. Any suggestions? WBS Jo PS.I'm only growing flowers. --- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1152) * Origin: Cross Key City (1:375/41) @PATH: 375/41 30 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1361) Tue 10 Jan 95 8:49 By: Mark Kemp To: Dave Neumann Re: soil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:152/6.0 2f12ba7c > does anybody know how i can improve the clay soil in my garden? Till in lots of organic matter. Add sand (you'll read warning against adding sand, saying the combination of sand and clay will result in "concrete", but if you also add organic matter, this doesn't happen). If your soil isn't already too alkaline, add lime. If all else fails, build raised beds and fill with imported soil. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** ___ | AmiQWK 2.5 | --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Pandora's Box * Eugene OR * (503)343-4520 * HST/DS * (1:152/6) @PATH: 152/6 3 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1362) Tue 10 Jan 95 21:17 By: Jim Coakley To: Sheryl Moore Re: Farming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:107/614.0 87941C2B @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 92-0413 SM>i also have some other shareware ag and >hort programs to numerous to mention here,but can send you a list by >mail. Hi Sheryl, 'scuse me for buttin' in here, but if you would care to have some of your programs put on a few boards around here, I'd be happy to do it for you. After all this IS The Garden State!8-) Most people I know garden to one degree or another and some even have critters. Just let me know. JimC. * QMPro 1.53 * The tide's so high the sharks are eatin' the 'maters N.J. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: The Magic Dominion 1:107/614 n.j. 908-583-7894 28.8 (1:107/614.0) @PATH: 107/614 677 13/24 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1363) Tue 10 Jan 95 16:51 By: Janet McCoy To: Dan Williamson Re: Re: Log Houses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:134/73.0 2f141db3 -=> Quoting Dan Williamson to All <=- DW> I've recently purchased a log home and wonder if anyone knows DW> the proper maintenance procedures for the outside of a peeled DW> (hardwood) log building? I have heard that a washing in a bleach and DW> TriSodiumPhosphate solution followed by caulking of the cracks and a DW> coating of CETOL will preserve and protect it. Since I live in a major DW> rain belt area with storm force winds one side of the house takes DW> quite a beating. This is not a panabode but a full log home. Looking DW> forward to any enlightenment. DW> regards, Hi Dan I live in Alberta in a log house (logs like yours) that I built 12 years ago. The logs weren't real well cured when it was built so I've re-calked the seams a couple of times and pulled the framing off all the windows and doors and stuffed in more insultaion once. As for the logs themselves I've had really good luck with Behr Rawhide. When I built the house I put on one coat of Sears Weatherbeater stain and two coats of Behr clear varnish. Since the I've put on another coat of Behr about every three years before the finish goes all grey and the logs have stayed a really nice color although they're gradually getting to be a darker brown. If the exterior of your house has been neglected until it has deteriorated you might have to try something like the TriSodium etc. to restore it to a nice appearance before you put a preservative on. I've also heard of sandblasting. Hope you enjoy your log home as much as I love mine. I've never regretted the decision to build it. Bye for now Jan ... Perform Random Acts of Kindness --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: The Messhall, Calgary AB. ATI19200etc (403) 286-7545 (1:134/73) @PATH: 134/73 17 3615/50 3641/1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1364) Tue 10 Jan 95 17:02 By: Janet McCoy To: Basil Barnes Re: Re: Moderator & Echo Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:134/73.0 2f141db4