Undernet FAQ Version 1 By Paul Grant (Grant) Questions to be dealt with: 1-1 What is the undernet? 1-2 Why does it exist? 1-3 How do I get to it? 1-4 Why is it so quiet? (!) 1-5 The future? Here we go... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question 1-1: What is the undernet? Undernet IRC is an alternative to the current EFnet IRC system, but is just in its early days. Created just before Christmas it is, with respect to commands and conventions exactly the same as EFnet. It differs however in its size. The undernet is much smaller than the EFnet, in fact only 10% of its bigger brothers size, due of course to its youth. This however is a Good Thing (tm), on the undernet all the Opers know each other, people are more friendly and there are (as yet) no unsavoury characters. The undernet, follows the IRC protocol, i.e. it is _another_ irc. To grasp what the undernet is you need only look at the IRC itself, all the features of the IRC protocol are represented in the undernet. Therefore the undernet can simply be described as a forum for international communication, and chat, via the computer networks. Nothing more, but nothing less! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question 1-2: Why does it exist? (Or do we need another IRC?) Why not? At the moment the IRC is overloaded with users. There are frequent netsplits involving not just the odd servers, but in increasing cases a significant number of servers. Too much pressure is put onto the IRC due to the (unforeseen) explosion of users it has gained. Many people people don`t ask _if_ the irc will survive, but when will it go... For this reason the undernet stands out as a Good Thing (tm). It can help take the load off of the IRC and prolong its day of judgement, hopefully for long enough that a solution to its problems can be found. The Undernet consists of some very highly motivated and dedicated people enthusiastic to make a success of their venture. There is another reason why the undernet is here. IRC is becoming more and more politicized, day by day. With various IRC admins forming groups against one another, the amount of co-operation between them has become almost nil. The time which they could spend in serving you, the user, is instead spent in endless bickering. Haven't you ever been treated like dirt by people who claim they know everything and who will abuse you because you know less (read "clueless"). It was another reason behind the formation of the undernet, a net where the operators are friendly easy going folks, and are always happy to help the users as far as possible. Abusing users is *highly* frowned upon, and opers follow a certain "undernetiquette". Feel free to ask any questions that you may have, and though you may not always be guaranteed of an answer, we will surely do our best to help you in any way whenever possible, and in making your stay more comfortable. Moreover, the Undernet has evolved with time and intelligent routing makes it swifter. Transatlantic ping times of one or two seconds are the norm rather than the exception. This implies lesser lag, and lesser netsplits as well. Furthermore, most undernet servers now follow the timestamp protocol, which disallows "netsplit ops" (if you know what I mean) or "channel desynchs". All this is to help *you* the user have a better time on the undernet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question 1-3: How do I get to it? This is in fact easier than most people expect. Due to the undernet being of the same protocol to IRC it means you use exactly the same client, and just need to change the network of servers which you are connected to. This being facilitated by a simple /server your_nearest_server command. eg. /server t3h.cs.man.ac.uk (that being my nearest server) If a port number is specified, then the syntax is simply: /server servername port# In case you are not on a Unix system, the "servername" may not work for you, and you may need an IP address (a string of numbers) in its place. Listed at the end are all the current servers, along with their ip address, and ports wherever relevant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question 1-4: Why is it so quiet? (!) Its not through choice! The userbase of the undernet is growing slowly and steadily, if a little too slowly, this is compensated by the fact that people usually come back after visiting once! There are a number of reasons for the undernets lack on user- base, the biggest being its relative obscurity. Very few people actually know what the undernet is, never mind how to get to it, hence the exist- ence of the document you are reading. The other reason, which really is the fault of the former is the lack of a userbase. If there were a large number of users on the under- net then it is likely that people would stay. However there is not, but there is on the IRC so people go there. There is also the fact that most people have friends on the IRC, and to join the undernet renders them unreachable via messages. This has been fixed via Tonto's bot 'ul', which allows you pass messages back and forth between both nets, amongst other things. But for the most part, the Undernet is yet caught in a Catch-22 situation. Users don't visit often because there are few users, and there are few users because users don't visit often. This deadlock will be broken once we start off with a certain critical regular userbase, which in turn would lead to a domino effect as more and more people make new friends here and start visiting us more often. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question 1-5: The Future? The undernet is slowly making progress, and needs just one thing, users! And that means YOU! Spare the time to change from IRC to the undernet, we are a nice friendly bunch and will make you feel welcome in no time! Come and see us on #wasteland, I hope it won`t be a wasted journey... We are always trying out new changes to code, etc. to make the net a better place for *you*. Looking forward to see you on the Undernet sometime soon!! P.S. : If you are using ircII on Unix, it is possible to even be on both nets (EFNET and UNDERNET) simultaneously. Try the command : /window new server servername This will split your screen into two windows, with each window on different servers. If you specify a server on a different net, then you will be on different nets. You can use Ctrl-x p (hit ctrl-x, release, then hit p) to flip between windows. (if that doesn't work, you may try /window goto 1 & /window goto 2) Type /help window to get more extensive help. Another possible difficulty you may encounter (you may have encountered this already on EFnet), is the incompatibility of an old IRC client with the new version 2.8 servers. When talking to a channel, you may observe the "No text to send" error. A temporary fix is /query #channelname. But you are best advised to upgrade to the latest client version. You can ask us over #wasteland for help in upgrading your client. See you soon! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appendix: Server List Updated: June 4, 1993 ---------------------- Explanation of entries ---------------------- line 1: server name and port number line 2: machine name and IP numeric line 3: location -------------------- Undernet server list -------------------- CANADA/USA server: aiken.info.polymtl.ca 6667 machine: aiken.info.polymtl.ca 132.207.12.13 location: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal-Montreal, Quebec, Canada server: aspen.che.sdsmt.edu 6667 machine: aspen.che.sdsmt.edu 151.159.13.120 location: South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, SD, USA server: cancun.caltech.edu 6667 machine: cancun.caltech.edu 131.215.48.152 location: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA, USA server: curie.ualr.edu 6667 machine: curie.ualr.edu 144.167.10.29 location: University of Arkansas at Little Rock, Little Rock, AR, USA server: elm.circa.ufl.edu 6667 machine: elm.circa.ufl.edu 128.227.8.3 location: Gainesville,FL server: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu 6667 machine: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu 129.15.20.4 location: University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma, USA server: falcon.lhup.edu 6666 machine: falcon.lhup.edu 151.161.11.6 location: Lock Haven, Pennsylvania, USA server: goren1.u.washington.edu 6665 machine: goren1.u.washington.edu 140.142.63.1 location: University of Washington, Washington, USA server: hermes.acm.rpi.edu 6667 machine: hermes.acm.rpi.edu 128.213.5.14 location: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, New York, USA server: imageek.york.cuny.edu port 6667 machine: imageek.york.cuny.edu port 198.61.17.1 location: York College Chemistry, Jamaica, NY, USA server: inga1.acc.stolaf.edu 6667 machine: inga1.acc.stolaf.edu 130.71.208.24 location: St. Olaf, Minnesota, USA server: newton.ccs.tuns.ca 6667 machine: newton.ccs.tuns.ca 134.190.1.4 location: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, Nova Scotia server: next210.nodak.edu 6667 machine: next210.nodak.edu 134.129.95.2 location: North Dakota State University, North Dakota, USA server: piaget.phys.ksu.edu 6667 machine: piaget.phys.ksu.edu 129.130.5.14 location: Kansas State University, Manhattan, Kansas, USA server: pv1628.vincent.iastate.edu 6667 machine: pv1628.vincent.iastate.edu 129.186.22.40 location: Iowa State University, Ames, IA, USA server: sci.dixie.edu 6667 machine: sci.dixie.edu 144.38.16.2 location: Dixie College, St. George, Utah, USA server: shadow.acc.iit.edu 6667 machine: shadow.acc.iit.edu 192.41.245.143 location: Chicago, Illinois, USA MEXICO server: cca.pue.udlap.mx 6666 machine: cca.pue.udlap.mx 140.148.3.18 location: Universidad de las Americas, Puebla, Mexico EUROPE server: anatsg1.unil.ch 6667 machine: anatsg1.unil.ch 130.223.201.6 location: University of Lausanne, Institute of Anatomy, Lausanne, Switzerland server: cyprus.csd.uch.gr 6666 machine: cyprus.csd.uch.gr 147.52.16.1 location: University of Crete, Computer Science Department, Greece server: hplyot.obspm.circe.fr 6666 machine: hplyot.obspm.circe.fr 130.84.202.10 location: Observatoire de Paris, Meudon, France server: irc.informatik.uni-rostock.de 6666 machine: irc.informatik.uni-rostock.de 139.30.5.27 location: University of Rostock, Dept. of Computer Science, Germany server: ismra.ismra.fr 6667 machine: ismra.ismra.fr 192.93.101.16 location: Ecole Nationale Superieure d'Ingenieurs de Caen, France server: need.hgs.se 6666 machine: need.hgs.se 130.238.204.21 location: Gavle/Sandviken University, Sweden server: pellava.uta.fi 6667 machine: pellava.uta.fi 153.1.2.12 location: University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland server: sg.tn.tudelft.nl 6667 machine: sg.tn.tudelft.nl 130.161.188.188 location: Netherlands server: t3h.cs.man.ac.uk machine: t3h.cs.man.ac.uk 130.88.93.53 location: UK server: viminale.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr 6667 machine: viminale.enserb.u-bordeaux.fr 147.210.18.7 location: ENSERB, Bordeaux, France AUSTRALIA server: yamabico.cs.uow.edu.au 6668 machine: yamabico.cs.uow.edu.au 130.130.64.198 location: U of Wollongong, Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong, Australia -- EOList. Thanks for using da undernet!