Subject: Embedded pdp-8's
From: [email-masked] (Larry Stone)
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 91 19:51:56 EST

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 91 19:51:56 EST
From: [email-masked] (Larry Stone)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Embedded pdp-8's

The Boston Computer Museum needs pictures of pdp-8's embedded in other
machinery for their milestones exhibit.  For example, they have one
photo now of an '8 tucked into a potato picking machine.  Pictures
should demonstrate how the minicomputer was small and cheap enough to
build into another device.

The museum is also interested in contacting companies that sold products
with embedded pdp-8's (or other minicomputers of that era), to ask for
old promotional photos and materials.

High-quality reproductions of photographs, or the actual photos or
negatives, are preferred; the museum will only need to borrow them to
make photostats.  The pictures will eventually be displayed on backlit
panels, with appropriate credits, of course.

The Computer Museum is also interested in collecting cartoons that
featured computers, preferably from the 1940's and 1950's.  A reference
to the original source would be best, so they can track down the
magazine, although high-quality copies might be useful.

Please reply by mail: [email-masked]

    Thanks!

    -- Larry

Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 1991 23:08:41 MST
From: [email-masked] (Steve Gibbons)
Subject: Can anybody help?...
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]

Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 1991 23:08:41 MST
From: [email-masked] (Steve Gibbons)
Subject: Can anybody help?...
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"[email-masked]" 

What I've got:
DECMate II (PDP-8A?) system board.
  Z80 APU board.
  RX-50
  VR-201 (White [slightly glitchy/burned in])
  LK-201 (WPS)
  Comm. Port
  Printer Port (Parallel?)

Rainbow (PC100-A) system board
  Memory Adapter Board (Populated to 896KB)
  Winchester Controller Board
  10 MB Winchester Drive
  RX-50
  VR-201 (White)
  LK-201
  Comm. Port
  Printer Port
  Verticle System Stand

Items I might be interested in:
XPU Board for the DECmate

Hard Disk Controller Board for the DECmate

8087 Coprocessor/Board for the Rainbow

Items I am definitely interested in:
Wiring the video cable so that the machine can be booted "head-
less"  Alternatively, booting without the keyboard would be "Ok"

Alternative processors for the Rainbow (V20/V30/80286)

VR241 Color monitor (and controller card [for either machine])

Larger/Faster Winchester Disk Drive

(another) Vertical System Stand

Rainbow PC100-B System Board

Other System Boards that that fit these chassis

FTPable sites

MailServers

BBS Numbers
           
Mailing lists

Documentation on the DECMate/PDP-8 (Documentation, What's that?  :-))

Items I wanted to pass along:
[email-masked] (Charles lasner) has been very
helpful in regards to finding an OS/278 version of Kermit-12
(since he DID/is developing/maintaining it)  I also obtained the
latest/greatest version (3.02) of MS-Kermit from this site.

[email-masked] (Robert E. Seastrom) runs (correct me if I'm wrong)
a mailing list for the PDP-8 that "...exists in order to
facilitate communication and  cooperation between owners of
vintage DEC computers, specifically, but not  limited to, the
PDP-8 series of minicomputers.  Discussions of all manner of 
hardware, software, programming techniques are invited.  People
who don't own vintage DEC hardware, but have an interest in it
(used to hack on them, designed them, whatever...) are encouraged
to join, as well as people who use PDP-8 computers on a regular
basis."
	Mail postings to [email-masked]
	Mail problems/changes to [email-masked]

[email-masked] (warner losh [also fidonet 104/114.6]) is in
the process of developing "...a Rainbow 3.5" drive "kit" that
will allow people to have the same functionality as the I-Drive
3.5" drive that suitable solutions distributed. ...provide[ing]
the source, binaries, and some documentation.  [He's] planning on
asking for $5 if you like it and use it."

Caroline Mack is the contact for the International Rainbow Users
Group (IRUG) (703)775-2266 P.O. Box 518 Dahlgren, VA 22448. 
Besides publishing a newsletter, they offer some Rainbow specific
software, notably MS-DOS 3.1b and Code Blue (IBM PC emulation
software)

FYI and Adva[Thanks]nce,

Sven
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From [email-masked] Fri Feb 15 19:35:40 1991
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:12:16 EST
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

Does anyone know of any PDP-10- or PDP-11-specific mailing lists?
 
John

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:12:21 EST
From: "James E. Narem Jr." <narem-james>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:12:21 EST
From: "James E. Narem Jr." <narem-james>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: [email-masked]'s message of Fri, 15 Feb 91 14:12:16 EST <[email-masked]>
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

  From my archives of pdp8-lovers:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
   From: Jon Allen Boone <[email-masked]>

   is there a pdp-11 mailing list out there anywhere in netville?

There certainly is.  Send mail to [email-masked].

                                        ---Ro
---------------------------------------------------------------------
This message is to announce a new mailing list, [email-masked]
We anticipate that, due to the small number of people strange enough to
want to have a 36-bit machine at home, this will be a low-volume mailing list.

KS-AT-HOME is intended for people who own, or are interested in someday
owning, a KS-10 (a/k/a DECsystem 2020).  

Subscription requests, etc. to [email-masked]
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I forgot to send you the manual.  I'll send it out this monday, if you
still want it.  From your last messge, you said you have 4 cars!?!?!
What type of car do you hack on?  I work on old BMWs, I have a 2002
I'm restoring (welding new metal and rebuilding the engine).  Tom
Ellsworth (former unliscenced zed equipment manager) hacks on BMW
bavarias and CSes, he got me into automechanics.  We went crazy over
it, believing that anything worth doing is worth being done in an
obsessive fashion.

      ..........jim ([email-masked], decvax!yale!narem, [email-masked])

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:11:17 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: narem-james
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:11:17 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: narem-james
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: "James E. Narem Jr."'s message of Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:12:21 EST <[email-masked]>
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

The KS-AT-HOME mailing list sounds interesting!  Has anyone *built* DEC-
compatible equipment (DECsystem, PDP-8, PDP-11, etc.) at home with plans for
circuits, gate arrays, etc.?  A PDP-8 might not be too hard, from scratch or
using the Harris CPU, even with an Omnibus interface.  Any other emulator,
even without a proper bus interface, would be good to know about as well.

Is there a current source (besides DEC) for quad-height DEC-type boards (to
fit in Omnibus, Unibus, etc.)?  Vector has a board that will work as a dual-
height DEC board, but no quad-heights.  This is probably because of the
proliferation of Q-BUS equipment.

				--Paul

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:11:17 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: narem-james
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 18:11:17 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: narem-james
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: "James E. Narem Jr."'s message of Fri, 15 Feb 91 15:12:21 EST <[email-masked]>
Subject: PDP-10, PDP-11

The KS-AT-HOME mailing list sounds interesting!  Has anyone *built* DEC-
compatible equipment (DECsystem, PDP-8, PDP-11, etc.) at home with plans for
circuits, gate arrays, etc.?  A PDP-8 might not be too hard, from scratch or
using the Harris CPU, even with an Omnibus interface.  Any other emulator,
even without a proper bus interface, would be good to know about as well.

Is there a current source (besides DEC) for quad-height DEC-type boards (to
fit in Omnibus, Unibus, etc.)?  Vector has a board that will work as a dual-
height DEC board, but no quad-heights.  This is probably because of the
proliferation of Q-BUS equipment.

				--Paul

From: [email-masked] (Robert E. Seastrom)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 19:47:57 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

From: [email-masked] (Robert E. Seastrom)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 19:47:57 EST
To: [email-masked]
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

Does not exist and has not existed for more than a year.  It was
created before the ITS machines went away, and due to lack of
subscriber interest, was not migrated when ITS went down for the last
time.  The ks-at-home-request alias, unfortunately, *was* migrated, so
my mailbox has been innundated with requests to be added to the list.
I still don't think there's sufficient traffic to support such a list,
but if there's sufficient further call for it, I'll see what can be
done about reviving it.

                                        ---Rob

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 12:05:00 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 12:05:00 PST
From: [email-masked] (Paul Hardy)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: Robert E. Seastrom's message of Tue, 19 Feb 91 19:47:57 EST <9102200047.AA08396@rice-chex>
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

Okay.  Maybe we can all hang out on the pdp8-lovers list or something.
Do you know of any homebrew PDP-10's?  Any other folk working on these
things?  I couldn't hope to have a *real* KS-AT-HOME, but I've toyed
with the idea of building something smaller out of 29000's or something.
Then again, it could wind up being just as good or better to build a
software emulator using one MIPS R4000 when it comes out (a 64-bit -10 -- wow!)

				--Paul

To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: LSI-11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 14:22:52 CST
From: ******************************************************************************* <[email-masked]>

To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: LSI-11
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Feb 91 16:06:53 -0800.
             <[email-masked]> 
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 14:22:52 CST
From: ******************************************************************************* <[email-masked]>

Hey...while scavaging through the surplus today, I picked up a pair of LSI-11's
disugised as 8 inch drives by terak.  I have the console, and a spare drive for
each.  However, I *don't* have an operating system.  Does *anybody* have a copy
of RT-11, RSTS, or some other OS (UNIX?) that will run on this machine?

Thanks,

-mike begley
[email-masked]

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 19:15:40 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Douglas Humphrey)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 19:15:40 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Douglas Humphrey)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: Paul Hardy's message of Wed, 20 Feb 91 12:05:00 PST <9102202005.AA23131@ama>
Subject: the KS-AT-HOME mailing list

Well, you can build a 10 out of 2901 bit slice; the 2020 *is* 2901s.
Having a KS10 is not that big, and the idea of doing the hardware
design in a modern way has been kicked around by a lot of people
and never done, so that might tell you something...

The idea of building a software emulator has also been looked at; the 
R4000 might be the right thing at last, so that you can suffer the 
10:1 performance loss of software emulation and still have a real 
usable machine.  My experience says that the hard part of the software
emulation will be the device level stuff, and making the memory 
management actually work like/look like what tops-10/tops-20/its are
expecting to see. 

By the way, I have a working 2020 system that I am considering 
putting up for sale/trade...  this system is one of the few in
existance that has run ITS (it is called DX when running ITS)
and I even have tapes and RM03 packs that will boot ITS...

Would anyone be interested?

Doug

To: [email-masked]
Subject: LSI-11 again...
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 15:37:17 CST
From: ******************************************************************************* <[email-masked]>

To: [email-masked]
Subject: LSI-11 again...
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 15:37:17 CST
From: ******************************************************************************* <[email-masked]>

Allright, as the proud new owner of an LSI-11, I recently read an article in
the July-August 1978 Bell System Technical Journal Part II, which described a
UNIX specifically for these machines called LSX.  Does *anyone* out there have
a copy of this?  My machine has got 2 Shugart 801 8" drives, 64K, and some sort
of console.  Any help with this would be very appreciated

thanks, 

-mike begley

Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 01:27:22 +0100
From: P{r Emanuelsson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-15 and stuff

Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 01:27:22 +0100
From: P{r Emanuelsson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: PDP-15 and stuff

We are currently in the process of scrapping a PDP-15 DEC DESIGN
system, 4 racks with stuff...  -15 CPU, 3xRK05 drives, Unichannel-15
(11/03), card reader, dectape, paper tape punch/reader, X/Y-screen
interface, Versatec plotter interface, etc, etc... Loads of flip chip
cards and documentation. Tell me if you want any spare parts.
Everything is 115 V.

Cheers,

    /Pell
--
Lysator Computer Club                                 [email-masked]
University of Linkoping, Sweden                  ...!uunet!lysator.liu.se!pell

Date: Thu, 28 Feb 91 10:34:30 EST
From: Woodward Mark <[email-masked]>
Apparently-To: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]

Date: Thu, 28 Feb 91 10:34:30 EST
From: Woodward Mark <[email-masked]>
Apparently-To: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]

Hi folk,

	Was a host ever found to archive any of the PDP-8 software?
Also does anyone have the WT78 version of the PDP-8?

Catch Ya,

--== Mark ==--

Date: Thu, 28 Feb 91 20:43:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Douglas Humphrey)
To: [email-masked]

Date: Thu, 28 Feb 91 20:43:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Douglas Humphrey)
To: [email-masked]
In-Reply-To: Woodward Mark's message of Thu, 28 Feb 91 10:34:30 EST <[email-masked]>

I saw a WT78 in pretty good condition at a ham fest for $5.00  I might
have picked it up, but I had my hands full with the $10 X.25 PADs that
they were selling...

Doug