Subject: Re: Definitions

From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:53:20 -0500

I agree whole-heartedly, this is beginning to sound like ARTMETAL. I don't
much worry about what others do anymore. I do what is necessary or what I
feel is appropriate at the time (situational ethics, that should get a
response). If you learn the basics with hand tools and the proper techniques
and methods, that will always have an effect on you and your work. It seems
that those who come to this with a straight fabricating backround are the
ones that we are bitching about the most.
I could never do any kind of decent woodwork with power tools. I got
interested in old wood working tools thru blacksmithing. After I learned how
to use them properly, I gained the abililty to do decent work with power
tools. I think that there is a corollary to this with blacksmithing.
You must have some kind of grounding in traditional methods, and it will
always be reflected in your work.
One last thing and then I'll let this go. I once made a 4 arm shepard's crook
and put a flame in the center of it. My wife asked how the client knew about
that element. I told her that they didn't. She then asked how much extra the
flame was, I told her nothing, I put it there for me. Has anyone else done
this, added something extra at no charge,  because they liked it or thought
that the piece needed a certain something to be complete?

Whutinhellisthatguyapointinat?
Kenny

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From: Page Thomas <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:14:05 -0600 (CST)

The anvil of Elmer Seybold, known to his students and friends as "Doc", 
was silenced on March 2, 1996. He was the Guru of North Texas 
Blacksmithing. He owned and operated the North Texas Farrier School for 35 
years and the founder and first president of the Palomino Horse 
Association; was an accomplished silversmith; one of the first members of  
American Mussle Loading Association, and forged several flint-lock and 
ball and cap guns as well as damascus knives and swords.

		      "Elmer Seybold, 1914-1996"

		Each time an Anvil is silenced here on Earth
			by the Death of a Smith,
		  Vulcan raises his hammer and all Anvils 
		     are silenced in honor and memory 
			of a Smith who has died.

		      As Vulcan lowers his hammer
			and strikes the hot iron,
		      The sparks fly through the air,

		      As the Chorus of Anvils ring out
		        Welcome home, Welcome home.
		              Welcome home.

		  Dr. you have learned your craft well and 
		           have now passed it on.
			
	            	As Vulcan has welcomed you Home
			     Use your new Forge, 
		          Your Anvil, Hammer and Tongs  
	                     Fire up the Forge and
		              Strike the hot iron.

		        You are Home Dr., You are Home 

Let all Anvils be silenced for one minute in his memory.

Page A. Thomas
Bear Anvil Blacksmith Shop

[email-masked]

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From: "Szucs" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:16:31 -0500

> that the piece needed a certain something to be complete?

	Oh yes.  And the miracle is that I haven't yet gotten yelled at
	for it.

	-Andy V.

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From: Tom Vincent <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:09:22 -0600 (CST)

In almost every job of course. It's the only way I could think of to 
educate my clients. How mad can they be when I didn't charge them-how 
much more could they impress their friends if they'd paid for the whole 
hog. Tom