Subject: Re: Kinyon Plans

From: [email-masked] (Marc Davis III)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:32:32 -0700

You wrote: 
>
>mike wolfe wrote:
>.
>> I think I made this sound as clear as mud, but everyone makes more 
out
>> constructing these hammers then is needed. I have built Four and 
they all
>> work a little different, that why I say to put in a slot.
>> Mike Wofle
> I thought that you made it very clear. I'm in the process of building 

>my 3rd and 4th ones. What type of material did you use for the main 
>upright? 10x10x10 I beam? Hammer material? Base? etc. How did you 
>change yur hammers from the plans?
>Happy Hmmering-
>Bill Roberts
>Custom Design Metal Arts
>3740 NE 40th Pl. Ste. C
>Ocala, FL. 34479
>[email-masked]
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What do the informed sources think about using two 1" Thompson rails 
with two bearings on each rail for the slide instead of the T slot 
slide that is in the plans?
Also what do you think about making a small textureing or small work 
hammer with a 2 to 5 lb head? I have a number of air cyl., one with a 
1" bore and a 10 inch stroke. I have already made a working model with 
a .5 inch bore and a 2" stroke and am controling it with a robotics 
controler and prox switches. It's neet because I can make it do 
multiple, single or any combination of hits with a flip of a switch or 
changing the program. (starting in the down position with a low 
pressure, to really line something up and then a up, down once or 
multiple might be interesting)
I welcome any comments or suggestions.

Thanks 

Marc3

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:05 -0500

At 08:32 PM 7/7/96 -0700, you wrote:
I had been toying with the idea of doing something similar.  I had thought
about using a air flow valve and a switch mounted on a foot pedal to control
the down stroke and a up prox to make the up limit.  With a switch for
multiple/single operation.  The air flow valve would control the downward
speed and a timer would send it back up in multiple hits.  Letting up on the
foot switch would send it back up in single.  This would control the hitting
power.  It would also allow you to bring the hammer down lightly to just tap
the work with each pedal stroke.  I wasn't sure if I wanted to put some
weight in the head or let the air do all of the work.  I have some exta  SLC
100s and proxes laying around but haven't got to it yet because my building
isn't done yet.  Maybe this winter when it's closed in I can try.    
I would like to see your schematic and any plans or observations on yours.
Why did you pick the size of cyclinder that you did?  Will this work with
bigger and/or smaller sizes for different applications?
  
Mark Thomas
Markle,IN
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From: [email-masked] (Marc Davis III)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:44:34 -0700

You wrote

t.  Maybe this winter when it's closed in I can try.    
>>lso what do you think about making a small textureing or small work 

>>controler and prox switches. 
>>
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>>The .5"cyl on the model was because it was small quick and easy to 
plumb and play with. It was only to experiment with. You do need a 
certain amount or range of weight for each size cyl to make the 
hysterestis or overshoot work smooth it seems. and I had to use a high 
speed counter with the Keyence. Maybe because I was sensing off the 
hammer head (which was small) for the prox switch.

The 1" cyl on the texturing hammer I want to make is beause it's the 
biggest I have, also the cfm requirements shoud be very small. (my shop 
is 7'x7' so I'm limited on how big of a compressor I can have.) 

I am using a small Keyence micro controler (about the size as a deck of 
cards) and standard off the shelf prox sensors to sense top and bottom.

I have a couple of SLC 502s one of which I want to use to run a full 
size Kinion and to control the shop ( E stop, power, alarm, central 
dust collection system ect...

As with you all this is when I find the time.

Have a good one.

Marc V. Davis III
Allen Park, Mi
[email-masked]

Marc of The Hammer

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From: mike wolfe <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:41:16 -0400 (EDT)

Has anyone heard that Kinyon was comming up with plans
for a air driven tredal hammer.
Mioke Wolfe

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From: BILL PATE <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT)

<Has anyone heard that Kinyon was comming up with plans
<for a air driven tredal hammer.
<Mioke Wolfe
<
I talked with Ron at Alfred. He said he had planned to speak about
the treadle hammer conversion at his seminar but ran out of time.
However, he was submitting the article to Anvils Ring for the next edition
or the one after since the deadline was close.

He said it eliminated the springs and the treadle. I am looking forward
to it. My problem with the treadle hammer is picking up a tool in one hand,
holding a hot item in the other, then having to pull up my pants to lift my 
leg up to the treadle.

Bill Pate.