Subject: Re: Using theForge tips in chapter newsletters

From: "Franklyn Garland" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:19:41 +0000

> I don't see a problem provided you give credit to the source.
> Usually in the newsletters there will be a statementabout copying
> provided proper credit be given.
> 
> Just my thought.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

If anyone is interested in a beleagured Chapter Newsletter editors 
view on this topic, Please read on:

About once every six months or so this question comes up.  Everyone 
has a different opinion or legal slant and I have no Idea what is 
correct or what isn't.  As Steve said, many newsletter editors are 
already using posts from this and other forums to flesh out otherwise 
thin newsletters.  I have yet to meet a chapter editor who felt they 
were getting a steady enough flow of articles from thier members.  
Some are more fortunate than others, but this is generally the case.  
In my own practices I do the following:

I always credit the forum the posting was taken from

Make certain to credit the author(s)

If I want to use what could be a free standing article I often 
contact the author for permission and sometimes even remember to send them 
a copy of the issue it appears in.

I do have one question, however.  Those of us who are "on-line" and 
are reaping the benefits of this mailing list are the lucky ones.  
Many folks don't have computers and thus the only chance they get to 
learn from this assembled group of notables is when it appears in a 
newsletter.  When you all post your questions and answers you are all 
seeking and sharing knowledge.  Do you really wish to limit that 
sharing to those of us fortunate enough to be "on-line?"  I can 
understand if someone where to reprint your posting and not give you 
credit for it,(that would be plagarism) but would you really be upset 
if your tip appeared in a newsletter with your name as the author?

I was just wondering.....................

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From: "[email-masked] 415.855.5707" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:02:35 -0800 (PST)

Several mail lists and newsgroups maintain "FAQs" or lists of frequently asked
questions -- and answers.

For a lot of what we do there may not be a single answer, but it would still be
nice to capture the "stream of thought" so that everyone could have the benefit
of being able to go back and re-read it at a later date.  For instance, there
have been several times when "something" was the subject of excited discussion,
but didn't seem important to me.  Of course just a month later I am desperate
to know what was said...

So what does this have to do with newsletters?  Maybe a "FAQ" or compendium of
a discussion on a subject would be fitting to use in chapter newsletters.  If
someone compiled these and posted them on the abana site then it would make
them more generally available to all editors and give folks a chance too review
what they've written before it is used in a chapter newsletter... 

Anyway, just my two cents.  

Joe

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From: "Steven O. Smith" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 8:39:27 MDT

> if your tip appeared in a newsletter with your name as the author?

I very much want info to be shared with those who aren't on line. I
have no problem with correctly printed reprints. Sharing information
freely is the single largest contribution to improving blacksmithing
that an individual can make.

But in the general case, I want to be contacted about publishing
larger, article like pieces. Two examples:

1. My article on the electromotive series/corrosion (posted on the 
ArtMetal web site):
	I worked with two different newsletter editors (Franklyn and
Mary-Denise from RMS) to get the presentation correct. No problems
with the text, but the info in the tables was greatly aided by running
the info past me. The initial draft from the editors was presenting
the info in a way that probably would not have worked for readers.

2. Notes I wrote up from a class I took with George Dixon:
	Mary-Denise worked with me to publish my notes in the RMS
newsletter.  A newsletter in Florida republished those notes from the
RMS newsletter, sort of asking permission in the middle of the
process. I didn't do any editing on the Florida copy, and predicatably
some entropy crept in.
	A California newsletter republished the info by heavily
editing the Florida newsletter's article. The biggest gripe I have
with their editing is large indeed; they nowhere mention that the
class was given by George Dixon. I think that this is a pretty serious
lack of giving credit where credit is due (a fine class). They also
left out entirely the many illustrations I included, making the
article difficult to understand. They're going to get a letter.

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