Subject: Used Equipment

From: Peter Goering <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:11:39 -0600 (MDT)

Hi All,
I just looked at some used equipment and would like some opinions.
The anvil is in great shape - no chips out of the edges, no divots in 
the face, weighs about 200 lbs. The brand is very hard to make out, but 
the top of the logo says "HAY something" and at the bottom of the logo I 
can make out "BRO something" and it is stamped 204 below that (I assume 
that is the original weight).  1" hardie hole that's still VERY square 
and a pritchel hole that's still round.  He wants $1/lb.  
Page - can you ID this one from the description?
He also has a 12" x 14" Vulcan-style firepot with a sliding ash dump, and 
a hand crank blower (Western Chief 1027) that seems to be in good shape - 
it turns a little tight but doesn't have any rattles.  I think it just 
needs some oil.
Also has some flatters, a few top tools, hot sets and about a dozen tongs.
Would anybody care to hazard an estimate on value for the whole lot?
Thanks in advance,
Pete Goering
Flamingo Forge
Polvadera, NM

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From: Page Thomas <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:51:29 -0500 (CDT)

The anvil is a HAY BUDDEN, the BRO is BROOKLYN, N.Y.  The name of the 
company was Hay-Budden Mfg. Co., Brooklyn, N.Y.  It is a solid wrought 
anvil, with a crucible cast steel face.  BUY IT QUICK.  In my opinion, 
for whatever that is worth, it is the best of the older anvils, and $200 
is an excellent price. 204 is the original weight 204 = 112 x 2 + 4 = 228lbs.

The Royal Chief is also, in my opinion, one of the best of the older blowers.

Buy the whole lot, no price over the net, but if he is only asking $1 lb. 
for the Hay-Budden, whatever he asks for the lot is a fair price, but 
offer him at least $50 less.

Hope this helps.  

Page
[email-masked]

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From: Jim McCarty <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:15:43 -0500

> Would anybody care to hazard an estimate on value for the whole lot?

Your anvil is a Hay-Budden, the Cadiallac of anvils imho -- if you 
dojn't buy it at this price I will!! That is a great buy in any 
condition. The other word you are trying to make out is Brooklyn. I 
believe the American anvils had the true weight stamped in instead of 
the English hundredweight measure. 

The Western Cheif blower I believe is a Canedy-Otto, also a Cadillac 
to me-- they have been bringing as much as $120 at the tailgate sales. 
They are real easy to turn and quiet, move a lot of air. But offer $35 
-- tell them nobody wants hand crankers anymore as electric is the 
thing! Flatters are expensive, new ones are $60 or more and they are 
scarce. You will need one. Top tools are pretty worthless imho unless 
you have a striker or three hands but bottom tools are scarce and 
expensive -- $10-20 each from my truck. The firepot is a good one it 
sounds like. You will pay deaarly for a new one but I wouldn't go more 
than $25 for a used one. Tongs bring $5-10 each easy but when I buy I 
pay $2 -- you can make tongs. I would offer $300 for the lot -- a good 
deal for you and the seller as the market for blacksmith tools is 
pretty specific. At that price you can make money later if you find 
better stuff orbuy something you need. I would avoid putting an 
individual price on each item -- just buy the lot.

Hope this helps you out. I have bought out several shops -- I always 
stress that all of these tools are going to be put back to work instad 
of going on restaurant walls or in museums. And I make sure they do, 
whether I keep them or sell them later.

-- 
Jim McCarty
Father Helias Forge
Taos, MO
³Foolish consistencies are the hobgoblins of little minds²

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From: Page Thomas <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:56:28 -0500 (CDT)

I stand corrected in my weight of the Hay-Budden.  American made anvils 
stamped in lbs.

Page

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From: Tom Vincent <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:17:11 -0500 (CDT)

I agree on the Royal Chiefs, but be real careful about the gears. I've 
seen one whose middle gear was made out of a fibrous material and self 
destructed, and another (mine) whose middle gear went and I'd need over 
$200 to get a new one. But when they are in good condition they can 
really move air. Tom