Subject: Re: Anvil project: INBA or other?

From: [email-masked] (Gene Olson and Chris Wilson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:42:45 -0400 (EDT)

>I would be interested - but the cost of shipping seems to be as much a factor
>in getting an anvil as  anything.  I talked to Ron in Ypisilanti (sp?) and then
>called yellow freight - they wanted almost $200 to ship a 200 pound anvil. 
>Ick.
>
RE: freight rates.

freight rates are strange critters.  Kind of like dogs, why would anyone pay
200 dollars a pound for one of those rats when you can fine a nice 50#  dog
at the pound  for $25.  

Finished goods are more expensive cause the insurance is built in. I
understand Glass frit, (little chunks of glass to be melted into something)
is one of the  cheapest and stemware one of the more expensive. 

Find someone who knows about rates and find a cheap class that describes big
chunk of indestructable metal do not drop on toe.

Mina 2 õre  (whats the current exchange rate Ralph?)

Gene

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:13:04 -0400

I still think a two horned anvil is more versatile, if one horn is an
extension of the face so it is flat on top and the other is conventional.
 You then have two points to work on - one is round to a point and the other
is flat to a point.  The hardy hole is at one end of the body and the
pritchel is at the other end - both are centered (in relation to the width).

You can offer a 200 and a 400 just because some folks think bigger is better
and want a choice, but the smaller one should be sufficient for most uses and
will be more affordable. 

Freight is determined by density - in general, the lower the class number,
the lower the rate.  It is all subject to negotiation and if you are a BIG
customer, you can get rates as low as $7.00 per hundred, but this would be
the exception.  We ship a lot of steel molds and we usually get class 30.  I
also think UPS will now take a 200 lb. shipment so that might be an option.

I admire your passion but I also think you should be careful or you may take
a bath on this project.  There just is not enough call for this kind of
equipment.  You might be able to get an opinion from Wally Yater.  He spent
years making swage blocks and cone mandrels.  I spoke with him on the phone a
while ago and he said that he could barely feel his fingers from doing so
much hand grinding.  Just a few thoughts, but my wife says don't listen to me
'cause I'm a pessimist.  Good luck.

hollis

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From: [email-masked] (John & Cynthia/ MidLife Crisis Ent.)
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:22:03 +0200

>[email-masked] 415.855.5707 wrote:
>>
>        A muy valid point.  I don't see much of a way around
>        this.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
>        -Andy V.
Check around with the freight companies.  There is a lot of potential leway
in teh freight these days.  I saved almost 1/2 of the freight initially
charged on a shipment from Los Angeles to my house (was $1,200.00 down to
$780.00) with a phone call and a complaint about the seemingly excessive
charges to the initiating carrier.

                        John

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Maiden Metals
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MidLife Crisis Enterprises
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From: Bradley Sanders <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:44:21 -0400

At 11:13 PM 5/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
snip......  You might be able to get an opinion from Wally Yater.  He spent
>much hand grinding. snip
Hi Hollis,
        I'm surprised to hear about Wally from this quarter. I guess he gets
around. He lives about 15 miles from us and comes by for dinner once in
awhile. What an amazing wildman.

                                                        Bradley

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From: [email-masked] (piesner)
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:12:18 -0400 (EDT)

>I'd like to echo Master Nibbelink's preference for a double-bick anvil 
>of the Reffinghaus style.  Incidentally, the Reffinghaus anvils have no 
>"table".  Does anyone see this as a disadvantage to the design?  I use 
>that "step" on my London pattern anvils occasionally; it's a convenient 
>backup for certain operations.
>
>D.C. Hufford
>  
>
   The lack of a table has been no disadvantage at all in my experience.
Just make a hardie tool out of a piece of round bar about 1 1/4 " to
1 1/2" diameter cut to the width of your anvil face and weld it to a 
hardie stake so that it spans the face. This enables you to do bending
operations. The only time I need to use a london pattern anvil is to
true up square shovel blanks on the square anvil heel.
   Dean Piesner
   Forge & Anvil Metal Studio
   Canada