Subject: Decorative Antique Ironwork

From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:05:16 -0400

>It is a 1968 Dover Reprint of a book called "Decorative Antique Ironwork" by
>Henry Ren=E9 D'Allemangne published by J Schemit, Paris 1924. It is a=
> catalog
>of the collection of Henri, Le Secq des Tournelles, which includes items
>from the medeival period thru the 18th century as well as a few Roman=
> pieces.=20

>On a 28 year old book, itself a copy (and translation) of a then 44 year old
>book.  Is there someone in the group who can speak to the matter of the
>legal status of these illustrations?  In the back it says individual Items
>in the book are copyright free and that they may be used up to ten items per
>occasion without further permsission or payment.  If they are clear of
>copyright, has anybody else seen the book, and would this be an appropriate
>addition to the archive? =20

Gene: I've had a copy for years and yes indeed there are excellent examples
that would be appropriate for the archive.  If I'm not mistaken, I think
almost any Dover reprint may be copyright free.

It could be that this is still in print, since I think I've seen it more than
once recently in bookstores.  Highly recommended for anyone's library.

Chris Ray

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From: "John W. Pollins, III" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 23:09:37 -0400 (EDT)

A Is there someone in the group who can speak to the matter of the
>>legal status of these illustrations?  
>Chris Ray

        I forwarded your request to Andy Quitner, ABANA Board member who
just passed the Patent Bar Exam for a response to the list.

        Incidentaly, Andy and I will monitor a panel forum discussion of
blacksmith-legal issues at Alfred. Time and place will be in the materials
when you check in at the conference.

                Pollins

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From: [email-masked] (Clay Spencer)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:52:34 -0400

Personally, I don't think we should consider putting  large portions of
books that are available on our site on the net.  My paperback copy cost
$11.95 a few years ago.

If one or two photographs or drawings from a book illustrate a specific
point or style, then that would be reasonable.
As a not for profit educational group, we are allowed to use a few examples
of copyrighted work for educational purposes as the example above.  This
would require adding a few words explaining the points we are trying to
illustrate.
Clay

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From: Bill Hornaday <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 19:14:09 -0700

At 09:12 AM 4/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
> I think it may be different , if a book is in the public domaine ( not
under copyright) and is not being published.  Whole books would not have to
be copied, only materials which were not in the currently available literature.

Bill Hornaday

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From: [email-masked] (Clay Spencer)
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:50:35 -0400

From: Bill Hornaday <[email-masked]>

I checked with Norm Larson, he is sitting right here now, and theis book is
still in print byDover and is available at about $20 plus shipping.
Clay

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From: [email-masked] (Gene Olson and Chris Wilson)
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:30:28 -0400 (EDT)

>still in print byDover and is available at about $20 plus shipping.
I'll guard my two dollar copy with my life.

Gene

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