Subject: Re: Splitting this group

From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 12:58:55 GMT

Randall R. Hawley wrote:
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>Randy Hawley  | All opinions expressed|           John 3:16
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As if spam weren't bad enough, now it wears a goddamn halo !

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From: Jeff Gorman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:20:31 +0000

Art Mulder wrote:

~    1) The rec.ww FAQ's are at
~  	http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/roche/wood.html
~  
~    2) ALL rec.ww discussions (Even this one) are archived at Dejanews:
~    	http://www.dejanews.com/
~  
~    2) The full Intro FAQ is at 
~  	http://www.ualberta.ca/~amulder/wood/rec.ww.Introduction.txt

Since we have Art's full Intro FAQ pointing to the other FAQs, do we
really now need the regular, and for those of us who pay our own phone
costs, cumulatively expensive regular postings of lengthy FAQs, some
of only limited national relevance?

The good intentions and efforts of the senders are appreciated, but
if the Introductory FAQ was the only FAQ, I suggest it would be a good
idea for this to appear weekly or fortnightly.

Potentially, there are ways of facilitating the skimming and/or
filtering of lengthy lists. This could involve agreement to adopt
standardised two-word openings for classifying subjects, but these
require an experienced and consistent readership exercising a
discipline that one suspects would be difficult to achieve within a
group whose "membership" to me seems extremely mobile, and in
computing terms, not always fully conversant with the available
editing tools. There is nothing new in this, I gather that it has been
tried in other groups, but don't know how they get on.

Jeff, feeling Mr Wilsonish.

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Jeff Gorman - West Yorkshire
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From: "Roots" <[email-masked]>
Date: 10 Feb 1997 00:51:59 GMT

The only thing I would like to see is a group like
rec.woodworking.refinishing.    I refinish, but don't build and have to
wade through hundreds of messages about biscuit joiners etc.  to read the
messages in which I am interested.

Hmmmmm  I bet alt.stripping would get a LOT of traffic.

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From: [email-masked] (George Sinos)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:42:02 GMT

I've been following this group long enough to see this topic come up
several times.  I believe the traffic has grown to the point that a
simple split finally necessary.

In the last year or so rec.crafts carving and rec.crafts.woodturning
have successfully formed.  Each has a healthy amount of daily traffic
and there is almost no cross-posting to this group.   In these cases
the cross posting argument holds no water. 

I think a simple split along the lines of rec.woodworking.tools and
rec.woodworking.techniques would improve the general usability for
everyone.

gs

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     George Sinos
     [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Tom Perigrin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:08:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (George Boggs) wrote:
> 
> In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (tom sullivan)
> wrote:

> > > Since logging on Wed there have been 1400 posts to this group.  Most times
> > > tere are several 200-400 a day. .  For ease of use can this group be split
> > > into groups such as tool questions, finishing, plans, etc.  Smaller gropus
> > > would allow for improved use.
> > 
> > seriously, I agree withe the first poster. I started reading this
> > group a few months ago and have now been skipping it anytime there are
> > more than 50 messages. I think a split would be great and the
> > suggestion of tools, finishing, plans, misc real questions and misc
> > bashing would be a good split. we could possibly add a marketplace as
> > well for buying and selling stuff.
> 
> I agree. If I'm gone a day or two I simply dump all the posts and start
> afresh. I know I miss some interesting posts, but the cost of browsing
> around a thousand or so posts is simply too great, even in a GUI

Right...  We NEED to split the group.   However, we need to fully
appreciate the granularity of the required split.   Since people don't want
to even browse through the subject lines of more than 50 messages, that
means we have to split th group up into at least 1400/50 = 28 subgroups.

I would suggest:

rec.woodworking.wood_identification
rec.woodworking.wood_selection
rec.woodworking.wood_price
rec.woodworking.wood_availabilty

rec.woodworking.powertools.abrasives.beltsanders
rec.woodworking.powertools.abrasives.orbitalsanders
rec.woodworking.powertools.drills.corded
rec.woodworking.powertools.drills.cordless
rec.woodworking.powertools.drills.1/4"and smaller
rec.woodworking.powertools.drills.1/4"and bigger
rec.woodworking.powertools.saws.skill-type
rec.woodworking.powertools.saws.jig
rec.woodworking.powertools.tablesaws
rec.woodworking.powertools.RAS
rec.woodworking.powertools.B3000
rec.woodworking.powertools.planers
rec.woodworking.powertools.shapers
rec.woodworking.powertools.misc
rec.woodworking.powertools.lathes  (oh wait, they are already gone)

rec.woodworking.powertools.wantedtobuy
rec.woodworking.powertools.wanttosell
rec.woodworking.powertools.wanttorent
rec.woodworking.powertools.manualsneeded
rec.woodworking.powertools.comparisons

rec.woodworking.finishing.polyurethane
rec.woodworking.finishing.varnish
rec.woodworking.finishing.shellac
rec.woodworking.finishing.wax
rec.woodworking.finishing.oil
rec.woodworking.finishing.paint

Well, thats not enough, but it's a start.

Tom

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Miller)
Date: 12 Feb 1997 00:13:54 GMT

Someone suggested several splits, one of which was 
"rec.woodworking.d".  I've seen several ".d" groups but don't know
what that represents.  Anybody wanna explain it?

TIA...

...Kevin

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From: [email-masked] (Bob D.)
Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:24:44 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
>what that represents.  Anybody wanna explain it?

"rec.woodworking.discussion" == "rec.woodworking.d"            
 
A "discussion" add-on group is a place to hold natterings on topics
such as splitting the group. In the case of "rec.woodworking.discussion", 
it would be a place to hold discussions about the group "rec.woodworking" 
itself, rather than actual woodworking related issues (actual topical
woodworking discussions would still take place in "rec.woodworking").

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From: [email-masked] (Brucekiki)
Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:40:54 GMT

You certaintly would get my vote . It makes good sense and would establish
some  order in all of  the postings. Bruce in Oregon