Subject: Re: Mounting Vices: help with Jorgensen 10"

From: [email-masked] (ANDREW BARSS)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:53:00 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Andrew Barss <[email-masked]> writes:
>
>
>Calling the Vice Squad. 
>
>
>I just completed a large workbench, a large (in all senses)
>improvement over the Workmate I've used in the past.  I bought a
>10" Jorgensen vise (their larger model), to mount on it, and
>can't seem to get the screw mechanism mounted right.  The
>directions call for sliding the "collar" -- the cast-iron tube
>that engages the threads on the screw rod -- onto the threaded
>rod, with the end marked "front end" toward the front, and
>oriented up.  I did this.  When I try to tighten the vise, it
>won't engage.  If I reach underneath and pull the collar down, it
>threads will begin to catch those of the threaded rod, then they
>slip.  
>
>The threads seem to be in fine condition, and I suspect I'm just
>missing some simple trick. 

Yes, you are, you dim-witted, slow-brained, unobservant, unmechanical doofus.
If you'd bothered to think about how the vise was constructed for
even ONE minute, ya   ziphead, you'd realize that the collar is supposed
to go INSIDE the bottom casting, not behind it!  Sheesh! You had
to go crying and whining to the usenet, didn't you?  What's next -- which
way you sit in the front seat of the car ("Hey, the steering
wheel keeps hitting me in the back!")?  

	-- Andrew (who is grateful to Paddy O'Deen for his
very prompt help in this matter, and who is rather pleased to
be able to take the original poster to task for being even
more unmechanical than usual). 

 Any Jorgensen owners out there care
>to help the clueless me?
>	--, Andrew Barss

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From: "Phil Anderson" <[email-masked]>
Date: 8 Feb 97 16:51:17 GMT

Andrew,

I have a similar model from Craftsman.  I've had it for about twenty years
and have experience (I think) what you are describing.  I really feel it
has to do with how level the vise sits.  Mine worked fine for a while and
then quit engaging.  I took it all apart to find the problem, but
everything looked fine.  I finally ended up grinding some of the metal off
one side of the nut so it could fall into place more easily.  This worked
for a long time, until I moved and set up my workbench again.  Now, it
doesn't work anymore.  If I jiggle the front of the vise while turning the
handle (a neat trick), then the nut will sometimes engage.  If that works
for you, I'm sure it's the same problem.  I really think it is just a poor
design.  The more expensive vises (Record) with the release lever work much
better.  What I don't like about those is, you almost have to have three
hands, one to hold your work and two to close the vise.  If that is not so,
would someone please respond to this and tell me you can release this lever
and close the vise with the same hand.  I've only tried them in stores and
they are not mounted so it is difficult to tell if you need one or two
hands.
Hope this answers your question, Andrew, but you probably won't like it.

Phil

Andrew Barss <[email-masked]> wrote in article
<[email-masked]>...
> missing some simple trick.  Any Jorgensen owners out there care
> to help the clueless me?
> 
> 	--, Andrew Barss
> 
>

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From: Bill Pounds <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:18:28 -0800

Phil Anderson wrote:

snip above
> The more expensive vises (Record) with the release lever work much

and snip below

Actually, I think Record has done a good job of locating and shaping the
release lever, so that you can disengage to lever with a fore finger
while holding the vise handle and pushing or pulling as desired. And of
course, for closing you don't need to touch the lever since the threads
automatically disengage. So, open the vise more than the work piece,
then put the piece in, and simply push on the jaw to close. I like the
Record, and also the imported copies such as Grizzly sells.

-- 
Bill Pounds
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Levin)
Date: 9 Feb 97 00:46:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, 
[email-masked] says...
[Polite, possibly naive request for help with vice installation]

[Extremely rude (possibly in jest) reply castigating previous poster for not 
being as smart as replier, giving solution that doesn't seem as obvious to me 
as it does to the replier because I don't have the blurfl under discussion so 
that neither I nor anyone else similarly unenlightened can judge the actual 
brilliance of the reply or the obviousness of the solution to the question]

There's no call for that kind of flamage. Save it for the MAKE MOANIE$$ FAST 
turkeys.

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From: Andrew Barss <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:40:53 -0700

Well, normally I'd agree.

  However, in this case the original
poster, Andrew Barss, was the same person as the flamer, Andrew
Barss. So, I felt I could take some degree of license in
castigating myself for having made a truly clunkheaded mistake,
and bothering people for advice instead of thinking through the
design of the vise.  The mistake was, I'm afraid, beyond
naive. 

	-- Andrew Barss, who feels people should refrain from 
extremely rude flamage except in special circumstances.

> There's no call for that kind of flamage. Save it for the MAKE MOANIE$$ FAST 

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