Subject: Re: Hide Glue??

From: [email-masked] (Robert Klein)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 05:39:02 GMT

It certainly matters which gram strength hide glue you use, how much
water is added, what temperature you heat it to, how it was stored and
a couple of other considerations.

Like any other material, certain guidelines must be followed for best
results.

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On Sun, 23 Mar 1997 03:27:21 GMT, [email-masked] (Your Name)
wrote:

>[email-masked] (Prinz_Eugen) wrote:
>
>>Being a novice woodworker, I have been wondering what "hide glue" is. Many
>>people in the group say they use it, but what are the
>>advantages/disadvantages to using it? What are some brand names? When
>>should you use or not use hide glue?
>
>>TIA.
>
>>Dave
>Good Question.. the one time I bought and used the stuff was about 12
>years ago. Since then I've continued to use aliphatic (sp?) glues, and
>recently have started to use gorilla glue and such.
>
>I was told that hide glue gave more work time and was more resistant
>to climate change. I thought the stuff stunk (literally), and it
>didn't even do what I expected, which was to hold together a walnut
>dresser top.
>
>My cut on it is that the people who are bound by tradition, luthiers
>and others, have to use it and the rest of us can move on.....
>
>Tom
>
>

Regards,

Robert Klein
Robert's Antiques and Restoration
Pensacola, FL  32505  USA
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From: [email-masked] (Robert Klein)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 08:26:29 GMT

Using alcohol to disassemble hide glue joints will work but it
crystalizes the glue and it is no longer reusable and must be removed.
Warm water to loosen joints leaves the glue reuseable.

Hide glue is quite strong but the proper gram strength must be used
for the application.  For example if you want a slow setting glue use
the 135 to 225 gram strength, use the 275-315 test glues for fast
sets.   If you dilute a higher gram strength glue to achieve slow
setting properties you will be left with a weak joint.  Use the lower
gram glue and keep the proper water/glue ratio.
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On 23 Mar 1997 19:58:25 GMT, Andrew Werby <[email-masked]> wrote:

>[It is called "hide" glue because it is made by boiling the hides of 
>dead animals. This accounts for its characteristic smell. It should be 
>used if the pieces you are gluing are ever to be disassembled for 
>repair, as it can be dissolved with alcohol. For this same reason, it 
>shouldn't be used for saloon furniture. The modern glues: epoxy,
>Titebond II, Gorilla, etc. do a better job of holding things together,
>but it is very difficult to persuade them to ever let go.]
>
>
>
>Andrew Werby - United Artworks
>
>http://users.lanminds.com/~drewid
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>

Regards,

Robert Klein