Subject: Re: Bosch router: bit too tight?

From: "John Allen" <[email-masked]>
Date: 26 Mar 1997 21:34:03 GMT

My Ryobi RE600 does the exact same thing.  I just assumed this was a flaw
in the collet design.

JDSchuster <[email-masked]> wrote in article
<[email-masked]>...
> Bosch routers have a two stage release.  You loosen some and it becomes
> easy to turn and then tightens again.  Use the wrench and keep on turning
> until it is real loose and you can extract the bit.  
> 
> Bosch really ought to make this clear.  I asked the same question when I
> got my 1615.
> 
> Jeff
> Jeff Schuster
>

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From: [email-masked] (#10 Ox)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:33:26 GMT

On 21 Mar 1997 14:46:27 GMT "[email-masked] (Darren Scott
Cobb)" posted to "rec.woodworking" on the subject "Bosch router: bit too
tight?" :
<snip>
-->is "self-extracting."  However, I simply could not get the bit
-->out until I tapped it lightly.  The bit in question is a new Freud 
-->1/4" "classical" design.  I inserted it all the way, and then
-->backed it out about 1/4" before tightening like the manual says 
-->to do.
-->
Caution:  don't try this based on my recommendation!  YMMV

I use 3 in 1 oil on the shanks of my router bits.  A dab on a napkin, and
wipe it on, then use dry part to remove as much as possible.  I store the
bits in holes drilled in a block of wood:  I have heard of soaking the wood
with a little oil and wiping dry every use.  I would stay away from grease,
I think it is slipperier, as a rule than oil.  

I started with a Porter Cable and a Bosch, both with standard type collets.
Having trouble EVERY time I used a bit, I resorted to oil.  The bit shanks
are high carbon steel, and rust readily here in the southeast.  Never have
had ANY creep, tho it could happen, especially with larger bits. 

What sort of design or materials would cure this situation for good I don't
know, tho some chromium in the alloy might help.  Now I have a 1613EVS, and
I like it a lot.  It goes a long way to resolving the stuck bits, and it is
smooth and pretty powerful, but tippy on the original base and the plunge
action has never been really smooth (and I still oil the bits' shanks)....
TS

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From: "Charles (Joe) Stahelin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:28:53 +0100

In article <01bc3a2c$a19bde10$d70116ac@jallen>, John Allen
<[email-masked]> writes
>> until it is real loose and you can extract the bit.  
Elu routers are the same.   

What is happening is:    on first loosening the collet-retaining nut the
collett remains in place;  as you unscrew the retaining nut further it
pulls the collet free from its seating and allows the collet jaws to
expand so releasing the cutter.
-- 
Charles (Joe) Stahelin
Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK

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From: Mark Nappi <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:29:05 GMT

>DON'T pry out the bits! You need to keep unscrewing the collet nut. 
>After you feel the nut 'break free', KEEP turning maybe another turn or
>two.  This will eject the bit quite nicely. It should just fall out of
>the collet.
>
>-- Dan in Phoenix

Have same problems as above with my #1606. I've found the way that works
best for me is to unscrew collet nut all the way. Then place thin piece of
wood (I use my pushstick when I can find it) against nut and tap with the
wrench that loosens it. This normally pops collet and bit out in one shot.
It also protects the bit from pressure of screwdriver method. I do it above
my workbench so bit doesn't fall too far.

While I'm on the topic of my Bosch 1606... The #93905 table is IMHO a
worthless piece of poop. Lack of soft start on #1606 combined with external
threading instantly undoes any measurement I just made. When mounted upside
down the torque of startup moves router. The moving router tends to move
floorward. 1/2 inch dados tend to end up as 1/16 dados if you get my drift. 

Very annoying. So annoying that I went out and bought a plunge router. Wide
stance of D-handle on 1606 made me buy but wish I had internal adjustment
threads like on Porter Cable. This router is great above table I love it.
Pain in the butt under table and I wish I hadn't spent $120 for table
mount to find this out.