Subject: Re: Suggestions for News Group Split

From: Roger & Jo Kempfer <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 13:15:04 -0900

John W. Shear wrote:
> 
> remove the _ before and after the @ to De-spam Keith wrote:
> >
> > I second the motion as well! Here are some suggestions that I see;
> >
> > This group is based as rec (recreational). I see it better as an Alt. Hierarchy,
> > which follows:
> >
> > Alt.Woodworking
> > Alt.Woodworking.Carpentry
> > Alt.Woodworking.Carpentry.Trim
> > ...
> 
> Experience tells me that having all the woodworking in one newsgroup
> is most efficient.  When a person posts a question, they generally want
> exposure to as many appropriate readers as possible.
> Let's assume it were split into 10 different newsgroups.  Many people
> would subscribe to all 10 to learn as much as they can.  Easily most
> people would subscribe to at least 5 of them.  So, when someone posts
> a question, they'll post to several of the newsgroups at the same time,
> maybe all of them just to reach the most people who are interested in
> woodworking.
> 
> So, if I am subscribed to all 10, I gotta read the persons posting
> 10 times - one for each subscribed group.  Then there's the stupid
> people blasting junk postings (advertising, get-rich-quick schemes,
> etc.) to all newsgroups.  I'd see that junk 10 times - once for each
> newsgroups.
> 
> I'm only a weekend woodworker, but am a full-time Unix Systems
> Administrator and have administered news servers.  Trust me when I
> say you will not reduce the amount of things that don't interest you.
> You will only duplicate them in multiple places.
> 
> Now, back to the fun stuff...
> --
> John Shear              Cray Research, A Silicon Graphics Company
> [email-masked]         Chippewa Falls, WI

Keep the group as it is. I agree that I do not want to read the same 
post in several different groups.

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From: [email-masked] (Jim Ledbetter)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:32:29 UNDEFINED

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (remove the _ before and after the @ to De-spam)  (Keith) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (remove the _ before and after the @ to De-spam)  (Keith)

>This group is based as rec (recreational). I see it better as an Alt. Hierarchy,

I don't see the value of moving to ALT. hierarchy.  If having your profession 
lumped in with the REC group bothers you, I'd think being lumped in with 
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.NukeTheUnbornGayWhalesForJesus and such 
would be at least as offensive.

>Alt.Woodworking.General
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.d
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.woodturning
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.Misc.
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.Finishing
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.Handtools
>Alt.Woodworking.Recreational.Power-tools
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.d
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Misc.
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Manufacturing
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Manufacturing.Software
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Finishing
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Power-tools
>Alt.Woodworking.Professional.Services-offered

>Etc,Etc.... You get the picture.

Maybe I a simpleton...

If we've got to split, how about

rec.woodworking.tools	
rec.woodworking.technique    
rec.woodworking.d

I'd prefer they all be moderated.  That will at least eliminate the "Make a 
million in thrity minutes" posts.  Maybe even the "Which {TS, router, etc} for 
a newbie" posts, by referring them politely to the FAQs and deja news.  It 
would also help prevent needless crossposting.

>As a Professional in the manufacturing Industry, we have to wade through
>literally hundreds of posts that are eating excess bandwidth because this group
>is not split correctly, nor does it seem to be monitored as well as it should.
>If the Hierarchy would have been set up correctly from the beginning, we
>wouldn't have the mess we do today.  Any others care to comment? Can't we be
>responsible and utilize the resources we have, instead of wasting them, as well
>as everyone's precious time?

I think the less than useful, repeated posts are a bigger problem than an
inappropriate split.

>Keith

jim