Subject: Spam does hurt us (Was Re: Nailing Spamers)

From: MrCynick <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:59:50 -0500

BAYCITVIDGRP wrote:
> 
>      All this fuss over words appearing on screen that
>      are not wanted.  Then just hit the "delete" key
>      and away they go.

The ordinary reader can't delete a newsgroup posting.
 
>      Just by the subject line you should be able to
>     see who is calling at your door?

Many spammers disguise themselves by using false names & reply
addresses, so that we *don't* know who is knocking until we let them in,
and we can't report them to appropriate authorities because we don't
know who or where they really are.

>      why get upset at what is not injuring you?

Spam, and especially mass cross-postings like this one, does injure us. 
It uses up huge amounts of bandwidth and server space which could be
carrying legitimate data that somebody actually wants.  It slows down
the entire internet.  It's irritating.  It wastes our time.  If our
internet-access time is limited, or charged for by the hour, it costs us
money.

>      Accept it and then it will go away.

Who's naive now?

>      bill conduit
>      the 'etc' guy
>      sometimes called the 'arrogant guy"

No surprise there! ; ) 

We can do something about spam.  There needs to be legislation similar
to that regulating telephone sales, to prohibit spammers from using
false names & addresses, and to require that they honor requests from
newsgroups and individuals not to send them any more spam.

-- 
Best wishes,

Jim Crutchfield
Norfolk, Virginia
http://vabch.com/mrcynick

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:00:19 GMT

Go to www.forteinc.com and download the Free Agent NewsReader.
Then you will have No reason to complain about deletion or bandwidth
problems. No connection with above except I use it!!
Have a Pleasant Weekend...
remove X to reply

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:38:31 -0500

Allon Percus wrote:
> 
> Keith M. Lucas ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : Agis won't co-operate with the rest of the net community in dealing
> : with CP ( they said they had no grounds to terminate them on the basis
> : that Agis seems to have no AUP against e-spamming ) and has been
> : threated with what's known as the "UDP". Basically a number of other
> : networks are going to stop carry all traffic from Agis. This, it is
> : hoped, will cause the thousands of users connected through Agis such
> : problems that they will pressurise them into dropping the
> : account. It's already worked with Sprint and MCI ( just the threat was
> : enough ! )
> 
> If they do not deal with CP, lacking a suitable AUP, and if a UDP isn't
> enough to stop them the way it did with MCI, IMHO we should resort to the
> trusty old JDSASDC.  HTH.
> 
> WHAT THE HELL DO ALL THESE ABBREVIATIONS MEAN????!!!!!!
> 
> A.P.

H.I.I.K...
S.C.

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From: Robin axten <[email-masked].>
Date: 29 Mar 1997 19:14:44 GMT

I wonder if you have heard of the Canadian law which will prevent cigarette manafacturers from sponsoring sports and cultural 
events? Started as banning certain types of advertising. My point is its one thing to prevent or prohibit advertising on the telephone, 
but I would be leary about preventng it on the Internet.
   "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it!'

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From: "Keith M. Lucas" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:15:49 GMT

>newsgroups and individuals not to send them any more spam.

This would be lovely. Which country should pass this law ?

Because the minute the US does so, the spammers will move offshore.

Anyway honouring remove requests is no good -- one should not have
to pay the costs of an unrequested service and then have to pay the
costs of requesting that the service no longer arrive unrequested.

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Bitchen)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:45:05 GMT

>newsgroups and individuals not to send them any more spam.

Saw on TV Sunday on some internet program that the spam king at www.cyberpromo.com had
 his server hacked into and his site changed and his passwords posted on the internet.

I like it !!!

Bob Bitchen

I heard this rumer that a spammers ISP had there 4 gig hard drive on their mail machine filled up by me.
Don't know if it really happened or not, but I like the idea.

I don't like to grow old waiting for my e-mail to download just to find out its some crap I don't want.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Zander)
Date: 31 Mar 1997 22:45:08 GMT

> I don't like to grow old waiting for my e-mail to download just to find out its some crap I don't want.

I don't like to wait for my e-mail to download either, but I dislike it less than 
some asshole causing my mail bounced because he/she filled up my ISP's mail queue.
Now you're not messing with the spammer, you're messing with me.

Most ISP's don't support on-going spam originating from their site.  So remember that
the next time you start trying to fill a 4 gig drive.

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From: [email-masked] (#10 Ox)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:52:38 GMT

I am a large fellow.  I am generally gentle and considerate, definitely law
abiding.  If I ever met a spammer in person, I would do my best to pummel
that person into the ground.  Assault, regardless of personal risk.  Can
you tell that my feelings are pretty strong on this matter?  Advertising is
pollution.  We all have enough crap.  If an advertiser uses saturation
tactics to improve sales it is almost a given that people really don't want
that product.  If the product is truly desirable then people will buy it,
regardless of the amount of advertising.  Ad's are used to convince, not
illuminate.  The stronger the ad campaign, the stronger my personal boycott
of that manufacturer's whole product line.  I wish we all felt this way,
and acted in accordance, as well as being vocal about it.   Baah-baah said
the sheep as he drove to McDonalds for nutritionless food in his Mexican
Chevrolet!  TS

Post Script:  oh the irony:  the greatest portion of spam I receive is for
Email spammer software...go figure!
--"Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistiguishable from malice"
--"Truly, wealth, which men spend all their lives in acquiring, is a
--valueless thing at the last."  Haggard
--"This...is...from......Matilda...."  Leon
--"There are no lies in chess"
[email-masked]   http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2110
--...I get the uneasy feeling that Bill Gates now controls the horizontal and the vertical...
   Craig Sauls via n.g.

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From: "M. Lamphier" <"lamphier@nospam"@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:16:45 +0900

> newsgroups and individuals not to send them any more spam.

Now this is a reasonable and serious suggestion. There is something 
wrong with anyone being able to cram my mailbox, for which I have to pay 
a fee to use, with advertisments I didn't ask for, and then to hide 
behind a phony return e-mail address and not honor requests to stop. Not 
to mention that many of these bulk e-mailers churn out thousands of e-
mail messages, which essentially is making inordinate use of other 
people's computer resources (the relay servers, etc) for their own 
profit. Someone ultimately has to pay for the phone lines, computer 
capacity, etc. that makes up the internet, and it is not fair if a small 
% of people generate 1000x the normal number of messages just because 
they aren't required to pay anything extra in order to do so.

-Marc