Subject: Re: Water Engine.

From: [email-masked] (Gary Steckly)
Date: Fri, 26 May 95 18:38:25 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Hugh Lippincott) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (Hugh Lippincott)
>Subject: Re: Water Engine.
>Date: 25 May 1995 16:30:27 GMT

>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Gary Steckly) writes:
>|> Peter Waring ([email-masked]) wrote:
>|> : In article <[email-masked]> "Frank S. Wadge" <[email-masked]> writes:
>|> 
>|> : >Have I missed something? I was recently informed that one of the major auto
>|> : >manufacturers is about to start work on an engine using water as fuel. I
>|> : >suggested my informant meant a fuel cell breaking down water into hydrogen
>|> : >and oxygen, but apparently that's not it.
>|> 
>|> : The fuel isn't straight water, it's a mix of diesel fuel and water, for which 
>|> : gains in mileage and improved emissions are claimed. Caterpillar have, I 
>|> : believe, entered into a development deal with the inventor
>|> : P Waring
>|> 
>|> The June issue of Discover magazine (I bought it for the 6th annual 
>|> technology awards) has a brief item on this if anyone is interested.  The 
>|> inventor is Rudolph Gunnerman and the process is called A-55 (for 
>|> "aqueous 55 percent) since the water to fuel ratio is 55% water to 45% 
>|> naptha.  They claim it has the same "oomph" (I love their techno-jargon) 
as >|> gasoline at half the cost. Then in the next breath they say "even 
though >|> it is more than half water, it generally delivers two-thirds of the 
miles >|> per gallon of conventional gasoline.   The only catch is that to 
>|> modify existin IC engines to burn the fuel each piston has to be plated 
>|> with pure nickel, which they say acts as a catalyst for combustion.  
>|> Another advantage is  that it burns cooler and produces less smog-causing 
>|> nitrous oxide than gasoline.
>|> 
>|> Anybody elese heard anything more about this process?
>|> 
>|> Regards
>|> 
>|> Gary
>Sounds like an internal combustion steam engine.   The naptha burn is kept
>cooler and at lower pressure by the vaporization of the water absorbing the 
>energy [that keeps the NOx down].  Then the steam expansion drives the piston.
>How you keep the naptha burning, and burning completely, I don't know.

>As this rate you could powder coal and add it to the mixture, which could
>reform it and burn it all in one shot.  I think that the energy storage 
>density of the coal would be a lot higher than naptha.
>-- 
>        Hugh Lippincott              [email-masked]

That's an interesting analogy..."internal combustion steam engine". Actually, 
it reminds me of this interesting tidbit I picked up off Gary Hawkins webpage 
at eskimo.com.  It's an internal combustion hydrogen/steam hybrid I guess, 
since the water injection would serve the same purpose as it does in the A-55 
process; reducing the combustion temperature, minimizing the NO2 and keeping 
the parts from running too hot.

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Rotary Hydrogen Engine -- Direct from New Zealand.

A clean-burning rotary hydrogen engine is being worked on by a group in New Zealand.
Here's a statement from the principle member of the team, Wolf Brinsbury:

                STEAM ENGINE WITHOUT A BOILER

As hydrogen is much hotter than our present fuels, we are looking to turn this into an
advantage rather than a problem (as it has been considered in ordinary internal combustion
engines, causing an overheating of valves). What we propose with our rotary engine is to use
this higher temperature of the hydrogen as a catalyst or trigger.

We use water injection along with a small amount of hydrogen. On igniting, the heat turns the
water vapor into high pressure steam on each power stroke. We are not looking at power
being derived from the hydrogen. It will be from the steam with the hydrogen as the internal
heat source. This being the reverse of the present steam engine, where a large body of water
is heated externally. We use a small body of water internally.

To turn water into steam requires a temperature of 800 degrees F. Water per volume expands
1700 times, exerting tremendous force. This force is elastic, not like the hammer blows of the
internal combustion engine. The diesel engine obtains its heat from high compression of the
air reaching temperatures of 1000 degrees or more. This though, creates back pressure which
is power loss on the up stroke. With hydrogen and water we eliminate this. I cannot use the
term "stroke" as we have no piston, a round rotor revolves in a circle in one direction. 

Our first aim is to move into the marine field. We are looking to get away from the burning of
fossil fuels and the pollution of this planet. The oil companies are naturally limited in their
lifespan.

If you would like to contact this group, you can write to the following 
address. Please realize that merelycurious inquiries will consume time, and 
cannot be guaranteed a response. The need is for serious investors tobecome 
involved to speed up the development of this important work:

                           Wolf Brinsbury
                          15 Gibson Place
                          Howick, Auckland
                           NEW ZEALAND

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regards

Gary

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From: [email-masked] (Hugh Lippincott)
Date: 25 May 1995 16:30:27 GMT

|> naptha.  They claim it has the saim "oomph" (I love their techno-jargon) as 
|> gasoline at half the cost. Then in the next breath they say "even though 
|> it is more than half water, it generally delivers two-thirds of the miles 
|> per gallon of conventional gasoline.   The only catch is that to