Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 . __ . . ____/ \_ . . -*- N A M V E T -*- ( * \ . . \ Quang Tri . . G. Joseph Peck \_/\ \_ Hue . . Managing Editor \_Ashau Phu Bai . . \_* \_ . . Bob Morris Jerry Hindle \ * ) . . Distribution Managers / Da Nang . . ( \_ . . Section Editors \_ ------- \__ . . --------------- \_ I Corps \ . . PTSD: Kathleen Kelly, Ph.D. \ ------- ! . . AGENT ORANGE: Martin J. Kroll, Sr. /\_____ ! . . MIA-POW: Glenn Toothman / ! \ . . HOMELESSNESS: Lefty Frizzell ! !___ \ . . FEDERAL BENEFITS: Jim Hildwine ! \/\____! . . INCARCERATED VETS: Todd C. Looney ! ! . . Joyce Flory / Dak To ! . . MEMORIALS: Aaron Schmiedel / * / . . MEMORIES: G. Joseph Peck ! \_ . . CHAPLAIN: Rev. Ed Brant ! Phu Cat\ . . \ * * ) . . -**- N A M V E T -**- \ Pleiku ) . . \ \ . . / / . . "In the jungles of 'Nam, some of us ( -------- ! . . were scared and wary, but we pulled _\ II Corps ! . . one another along and were able / -------- \ . . to depend on each other. That has \ \ . . never changed. Today, free of the ! * / . . criticisms and misunderstandings _/ Nha Trang / . . many veterans have endured, _/ / . . NAM VET is a shining beacon, __/ ! . . a ray of hope, and a _ __/ \ ! . . reminder that the _____( )/ ! Cam Ranh Bay . . lessons learned / !__ ! . . at such a high / \ / . . price shall not \ Bien Hoa \ / . . be forgotten - ! Chu Chi * \ __/ . . nor the errors \_ * --------- \ ___/ . . repeated!!!" ____ \ III Corps \ _/ . . / \_____) )_(_ --------- !__/ Duplication in . . ! ( ___/ any form permitted . . _____! \__ * ___/ for noncommercial . . ! Saigon/ purposes only. . . \___ -------- / \/ . . \ IV Corps / For other use, contact: . . ) -------- / G. Joseph Peck, Managing Editor . . / ! P O Box 2056 Pittsfield, MA 01202 . . / ____/ (413) 442-1660 . . / Mekong/ . . ! Delta/ This newsletter is comprised of articles . . ! ____/ and items from individuals and other . . ! / sources. We are not responsible for the . . ! / content of this information nor are any of . . ! __/ NAM VETs contributors or Section Editors. . . \_/ gjp . . . NAM VET Newsletter Page i Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S 1. EDITORIALS Do the best ya can with what ya got! .................... 1 An Urgent Search for a Veteran .......................... 3 2. Missing!!! MIA's Listed: F through M ............................... 4 MIA/KIA DataBases Now Available! ........................ 15 They haven't forgutten US!!! ............................ 16 3. Noteworthy! Cracks in the Wall??? ................................... 17 Wall Street Wannabee .................................... 18 "In-Touch" ... Can it help? ............................. 19 "In-Touch" Project Summarized ........................... 22 Locating Military Personnel ............................. 25 4. Remember Them!!! Working for the Incarcerated Veteran .................... 26 A visit or note once in awhile? ......................... 28 5. The NamVet Chaplain's Corner The Chaplain at NamVet .................................. 29 The Electronic Chapel ................................... 32 6. IVVEC Reviews "Born on the 4th" Sharp as Bayonets ....................................... 33 IVVEC looks at "Born on the 4th" ........................ 36 7. Veteran Benefits & Info Dobson to Lead VA National Salute ....................... 40 Questions answered by a VA Counselor .................... 41 Vietnam-Era GI Bill Benefits Ending ..................... 42 VA Cites Small Business Gains ........................... 43 VA in Retirement Home Partnership? ...................... 44 8. Hearts n' Minds Recovery Phases of PTSD ................................. 45 Finally Here!!! ......................................... 52 Helping our Women Veterans .............................. 53 9. Dealing with 'Nam Vietnam Helicopter Pilots! .............................. 64 Puttin' away the Ghosts ................................. 66 10. And So It Was... Khe Sanh Remembered... .................................. 68 BEGINNING OF TET ........................................ 70 11. Concentrated Service NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service ....................... 78 Knockin' on the Domed House ............................. 79 Break out the Clearsil ! ............................ 80 IVVEC & NAMVET Reach out to YOUR area! .................. 81 TET! .................................................... 83 12. Subscribe Now! Subscribe to Nam Vet .................................... 92 13. IVVEC & NamVet - WHERE? NAMVET - Where can it be found? ......................... 93 Where did the messages come from? ....................... 95 IVVEC Parameters & Nodelist ............................. 97 Some Gave All... ........................................ 102 NAM VET Newsletter Page ii Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= E D I T O R I A L S ================================================================= Do the best ya can with what ya got! by: G. Joseph Peck NAM VETs Managing Editor VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 Whew!!! Another issue finally put to bed! Now its time to start on the next one The field of fire here in Massachusetts has been pretty narrow and tight since about the beginning of the New Year when first NamVet and IVVEC began tackling areas of direct service. Whether we're dealing with a bunch of STRACK civvy personnel or not, only time will tell. (I STILL hear a lot about crossing T's and dotting I's - and double-checking to make SURE the watermark on the paper we've written on is facing the right way!!!) Some of the areas we've tried have had positive results (see the NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service section). Others have resulted in only silence. Oh well... ya win some, ya lose some. Maybe the "silence" is NOT the lull before the storm but, instead, indicative of the fact that there's some "behind the scenes" work goin' on (government and bureaucracies DO work that way, ya know ). On a personal level (where my computer kept givin' up the ghost and I was always havin' to do some emergency resuscitation to barely make deadline- time for NamVet), we've received some help almost beyond even our dreams. (Thanx again, Lefty n' Bob!!!) NamVet, for me, has been a lifesaver, many times over. Just about the times I've almost totally convinced myself that I AM lazy and that I really DON'T want to work or some other not-positive thing, I get involved in producing the next month's issue and discover that, yup, there IS somethin' I CAN still do my best at - gettin' the word out to each of you about veteran service and new developments anywhere along the spectrum. Its really been an honor, and I'm sincerely grateful. THANK YOU, each and every one, for the articles you submit; the VOICE telephone calls, the cards n' letters; the wishes for a successful resolution to the difficulties I've created here for m'self, n' all the other things. Like I said, "It's REALLY been an honor!" ('course ONE of ya that got me to admit that I'm uncomfortable TAKING help rather than GIVING it... ) Movin' right along... Last Friday night (9 Feb 90) I had the very welcome opportunity of meeting with the State of Georgia's candidate for 1991 National Commander of the American Legion, Bob Turner. Bob presently works as a counselor with the Claims Division of the Georgia Department of Veterans Service in Atlanta and his background includes 1966-68 Vietnam service as well as Presidential recognition for his many outstanding contributions to his community. When asked about NAM VET Newsletter Page 1 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 Agent Orange; Unemployment among Vietnam and other veterans; and, what he would do to help stem the tide of VA hospital closings and reductions if offered services, Bob made it crystal clear that accomplishing anything as a National Commander is not a job that one person can do alone. "It requires teamwork and the many of us pulling in the same direction." Teamwork... doing the best we can... all pulling in the same direction. Sounds almost like he could have been talking about us here in NamVet/IVVEC world! I'll be writing Bob Turner soon on IVVEC stationery and asking him for input that can be shared with you all here. Stay tuned! Looks like, for now, tha's just about it for this issue. Hopefully our next will be out on time: March 4th - the ONLY day of the year that's a command to GO FORWARD!!! Would sure like to have one of YOUR articles in here. Let's KEEP doin' the best we can with what we've got. With NamVet and its readers, we've got a lot!!! 'til next month Show a brother or sister veteran That YOU care Ci'ao for Ni'ao -Joe- NAM VET Newsletter Page 2 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 Urgent Veteran Search Input by: Mark Burfeind at: VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 I'm trying to find a native of WINONA MN by the name of MERRIL HAASE. Reason for this search is he has a cousin - NEIL LUHMANN - that has been diagnosed with terminal cancer about 5 weeks ago and is rapidly fading. (Completely bedbound already) MERRIL is approximately 45 - 50 years old. He spent about 16 years in U.S. NAVY -- late 50's to mid 60's. His last assumed whereabouts were either somewhere in TENNESSEE or OHIO. After he left the service he was known to seek employment as manager or custodial operator of various trailer parks or camp grounds for employment. He is also quite adept as a cabinet maker and was known to support his income with sales of wood craft and toys he made as a side line. If this description fits anybody you might know please have him call 1-507-689-2064 (NEIL's home phone). Also if anybody has seen MERRIL in the last two years would you please call if you think any information you have might be helpful in the search. Thanks in advance to whoever might be able to help. SEMPER FI -- MWB P.S. To any SysOp who reads this message. Please reload this into all local message bases to get as a large a distribution as possible. Also all ECHO moderators I would appreciate it if this message can be added to your respective ECHO. NAM VET Newsletter Page 3 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= M i s s i n g ! ! ! ================================================================= Listing of MIA's - Last Names ending in F through M Input by: Charles Harper Classic City Node-2 - Athens, GA (404) 548-0726 "I got the file off of PC-EXEC in Milwaukee but since then I have seen a few messages in reference to POW BBS on a few boards." - Charles Harper - (Note from Joe: The list is BIG! and includes info on Biographies on the individual MIA's. This is part two of three parts. Part 3 will be published in a subsequent issue.) From: *** The POW Network *** 319-386-7697 List of Available Bios December 8, 1989 *** The POW Network *** 319-386-7697 List of Available Bios December 8, 1989 Bio# Lastname First Mid. Br/Rank Incident Country ==== ======== ========== ======== ======== ======= F057 FALLON PATRICK M. USAF O6 04-Jul-69 LAOS F002 FANNING HUGH M. USMC O3 31-Oct-67 NVN F001 FANNING JOSEPH P. USAF O2 13-Dec-68 LAOS F065 FARLOW CRAIG L. ARMY W1 16-May-71 SVN F087 FARRIS WILLIAM F. USN E4 06-Feb-68 SVN/OW F062 FEATHERSTON FIELDING W. USAF O3 30-Dec-69 LAOS F351 FEGAN RONALD J. USN O1 09-Apr-65 CHINA F025 FELLENZ CHARLES R. USAF E5 24-Nov-69 LAOS F006 FELLOWS ALLEN E. USAF O4 20-Mar-68 LAOS F352 FENELEY FRANCIS J. USAF O3 11-May-66 NVN F061 FERGUSON DOUGLAS D. USAF O2 30-Dec-69 LAOS F054 FERGUSON WALTER JR. ARMY E8 23-Aug-68 SVN F010 FIESZEL CLIFFORD W. USAF O3 30-Sep-68 NVN F354 FINGER SANFORD I. ARMY E6 26-Oct-71 SVN/OW F011 FINLEY DICKIE W. ARMY E3 21-Oct-68 SVN F013 FINNEY CHARLES E. USMC O3 17-Mar-69 LAOS F015 FISHER DONALD E. USAF O5 29-Dec-67 NVN F064 FISHER DONALD G. USAF O4 22-Apr-70 LAOS F017 FITTS RICHARD A. ARMY E5 30-Nov-68 LAOS F018 FITZGERALD JOSEPH E. ARMY E3 31-May-67 SVN F019 FITZGERALD PAUL L. JR. ARMY E5 17-Oct-67 SVN F356 FIVELSON BARRY F. ARMY W1 15-Feb-71 LAOS F058 FLEMING HORACE H. III USMC O2 10-May-68 SVN F601 FLYNN SEAN L. CIV 06-Apr-70 CAMB F023 FOLEY BRENDAN P. USAF O4 24-Nov-67 LAOS F359 FOLEY JOHN J. III USMC E3 11-Jun-67 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 4 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 F360 FORAME PETER C. ARMY O2 19-Dec-71 CAMB F361 FORD EDWARD ARMY E5 09-Dec-68 SVN F026 FORMAN WILLIAM S. USN O3 22-Jan-66 NVN/OW F027 FORS GARY H. USMC O3 22-Dec-67 LAOS F028 FORTNER FREDERICK J. USN O2 17-Oct-67 NVN F059 FOSTER MARVIN L. ARMY O4 16-Mar-69 SVN F029 FOSTER PAUL L. USAF E5 29-Dec-67 LAOS F362 FOSTER ROBERT E. USAF E5 09-Mar-66 SVN F031 FOWLER DONALD R. ARMY E4 01-Aug-68 SVN F074 FOWLER JAMES A. USAF O4 06-Jun-72 NVN F088 FOWLER JAMES J. USN E2 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW F089 FOWLER ROY G. USN E4 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW F055 FRANCISCO SAN D. USAF O2 25-Nov-68 NVN F033 FRANK MARTIN S. ARMY E5 12-Jul-67 SVN F034 FRANKLIN CHARLES E. USAF O3 14-Aug-66 NVN F364 FRANKS IAN J. ARMY E4 23-Mar-68 SVN F035 FRAWLEY WILLIAM D. USN O3 01-Mar-66 NVN/OW F365 FRAZIER PAUL R. ARMY E5 03-Sep-68 SVN F036 FREDERICK PETER J. USAF O5 15-Mar-67 NVN F037 FREDERICK WILLIAM V. USAF O3 05-Jul-67 NVN F091 FRENG STANLEY J. USN E5 17-Jun-66 SVN/OW F038 FRENYEA EDMUND M. USN E3 22-Jan-66 NVN/OW F072 FRINK JOHN W. ARMY W1 02-Apr-72 SVN F066 FRISHMANN ROBERT F. USN O2 24-Oct-67 NVN F082 FRITS ORVILLE B. ARMY E7 20-May-67 SVN F086 FRITSCH THOMAS W. USMC E3 10-May-68 SVN F600 FRITZ JOHN J. JR. CIV 08-Feb-69 SVN F063 FRYAR BRUCE C. USN O3 02-Jan-70 LAOS F040 FULLAM WAYNE E. USAF O4 07-Oct-67 NVN G001 GAGE ROBERT H. USMC E4 03-Jul-66 SVN G119 GALLAGHER DONALD L. USN E7 06-Feb-68 SVN/OW G003 GALLAGHER JOHN T. ARMY E6 05-Jan-68 LAOS G350 GALLANT HENRY J. ARMY E8 13-Jul-65 SVN G004 GALVIN RONALD E. USN E2 08-Mar-67 NVN/OW G120 GAN LEONARDO M. USN E7 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW G026 GANLEY RICHARD O. USAF O3 24-Nov-69 LAOS G072 GANOE BERMAN JR. ARMY E4 24-Mar-70 CAMB G351 GARBETT JIMMY R. ARMY E4 09-Oct-69 SVN G115 GARCIA ANDRES USMC E3 15-May-75 CAMB G081 GARCIA RICARDO M. ARMY E5 19-Mar-71 LAOS G352 GARDNER GLENN V. ARMY E2 25-Nov-66 SVN/OW G005 GARDNER JOHN G. USMC O3 03-Jun-67 LAOS G353 GARNER JOHN H. USN E4 29-May-67 SVN G354 GARRETT MAURICE E. JR. ARMY O3 22-Oct-71 SVN G355 GARSIDE FREDERICK T. USAF E3 23-Mar-61 LAOS G047 GARWOOD ROBERT R. USMC E2 28-Sep-65 SVN G356 GASSMAN FRED A. ARMY C5 05-Oct-70 LAOS G007 GATES JAMES W. ARMY O4 06-Apr-66 LAOS G094 GATWOOD ROBIN F. JR. USAF O2 02-Apr-72 SVN G358 GAULEY JAMES P. USAF O3 10-Jan-67 LAOS G114 GAUSE BERNARD JR. USN E5 15-May-75 CAMB G079 GAUTHIER DENNIS L. ARMY E3 31-Oct-69 SVN G010 GEIST STEPHEN J. ARMY E4 26-Sep-67 SVN G011 GEORGE JAMES E. ARMY E4 08-Feb-68 SVN G600 GERBER DANIEL A. CIV 30-May-62 SVN G012 GERVAIS DONALD P. ARMY E5 01-May-68 SVN G013 GETCHELL PAUL E. USAF O3 13-Jan-69 LAOS G014 GIAMMERINO VINCENT F. ARMY E3 27-Jun-68 SVN G095 GIANNANGELI ANTHONY R. USAF O5 02-Apr-72 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 5 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 G359 GIERAK GEORGE G JR. USN O2 13-Jun-66 SVN G098 GILBERT PAUL F. USAF O2 18-Jun-72 SVN G015 GILCHRIST ROBERT M. USAF O2 07-Oct-66 NVN G075 GILLEN THOMAS E. USAF O4 18-Feb-70 LAOS G050 GILLESPIE CHARLES R. USN O5 24-Oct-67 NVN G363 GINN DAVID L. ARMY E3 03-Nov-70 SVN G104 GIROUX PETER J. USAF O3 22-Dec-72 NVN GLS01 GISH HENRY G. USAF E4 11-Mar-68 LAOS G365 GLANVILLE JOHN T JR. USN O4 13-Jun-66 NVN G017 GLASSON WILLIAM A. USN O4 12-Apr-66 CHINA G018 GLOVER CALVIN C. USAF E5 22-May-68 LAOS G019 GLOVER DOUGLAS J. ARMY E6 19-Feb-68 LAOS G052 GODWIN SOLOMON H. USMC W1 05-Feb-68 SVN G066 GOFF KENNETH B. JR. ARMY O2 24-Aug-67 SVN G370 GOLZ JOHN B. USN O2 22-Apr-70 LAOS G074 GOMEZ ROBERT A. USAF O2 23-Apr-70 LAOS G022 GONZALES JESUS A. ARMY E5 19-Apr-68 SVN G372 GONZALES JOSE J. USMC E3 11-Jun-67 SVN G375 GOPP THOMAS ALAN USMC E4 03-Aug-67 SVN/OW G122 GORE PAUL EDWIN USN E6 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW G123 GORSUCH WILLIAM D. USN E4 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW G070 GOTNER NORBERT A. USAF O4 03-Feb-71 LAOS G067 GOURLEY LAURENT L. USAF O3 09-Aug-69 LAOS G027 GOVAN ROBERT A. USAF O4 01-Apr-67 LAOS G068 GRACE JAMES W. USAF O3 14-Jun-69 LAOS G076 GRAF JOHN G. USN O4 15-Nov-69 SVN G071 GRAFFE PAUL L. ARMY O2 03-Oct-69 SVN G102 GRAHAM ALAN U. USAF O2 17-Oct-72 NVN G028 GRAHAM DENNIS L. USAF O3 28-Mar-68 NVN G380 GRAHAM GILBERT J. USN E5 28-Sep-67 SVN G381 GRANIELA JOSE A. JR. ARMY E3 16-Aug-68 SVN G382 GRANTHAM ROBERT E. ARMY E4 08-Mar-71 SVN G383 GRAUERT HANS H. USN O2 03-Nov-67 SVN/OW G384 GRAVES RICHARD C. USN O1 25-May-67 NVN/OW G385 GRAVITTE CONNIE M. USAF O3 17-Jun-66 SVN/OW G077 GRAZIOSI FRANCIS G. ARMY E4 10-Oct-70 SVN G389 GREEN GEORGE C. JR. ARMY E5 04-Dec-70 SVN G391 GREEN JAMES A. ARMY E3 18-Jun-70 CAMB G392 GREEN LARRY E. USMC E4 26-Mar-68 SVN/OW G029 GREEN NORMAN M. USAF O5 09-Jan-68 LAOS G394 GREEN THOMAS F. ARMY E2 26-Oct-71 SVN/OW G124 GREENLEAF JOSEPH G. USN O3 14-Apr-72 SVN/OW G099 GREENWOOD ROBERT R. JR. USAF O4 02-Sep-72 LAOS G031 GREER ROBERT L. USMC E2 07-Jun-64 SVN G058 GREGORY ROBERT R. USAF O3 02-Dec-66 NVN G032 GREILING DAVID S. USN O4 24-Jul-68 NVN G397 GRELLA DONALD C. ARMY E5 28-Dec-65 SVN G073 GREWELL LARRY I. USAF E5 24-Nov-69 LAOS G080 GRIFFIN RODNEY L. ARMY E4 02-May-70 CAMB G034 GRIFFITH ROBERT S. ARMY E5 19-Feb-68 LAOS G093 GRISSETT EDWIN R. USMC E4 22-Jan-66 SVN G035 GROSSE CHRISTOPHER A. ARMY E5 28-Mar-68 LAOS G036 GROTH WADE L. ARMY E4 12-Feb-68 SVN G037 GRUBB PETER A. USAF O2 17-Sep-67 NVN G601 GRZYB ROBERT H. CIV 10-Dec-67 SVN G400 GUERRA RAUL A. USN E3 08-Oct-67 SVN G039 GUILLERMIN LOUIS F. USAF O3 30-Apr-68 LAOS G040 GUILLET ANDRE R. USAF E3 18-May-66 LAOS G041 GUILLORY EDWARD J. ARMY E7 18-Jun-67 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 6 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 G401 GUILLORY HUBIA J. ARMY E3 25-Apr-68 SVN G402 GUMBERT ROBERT W. JR. ARMY E3 22-Jun-70 SVN G042 GUNN ALAN W. ARMY W2 12-Feb-68 SVN H001 HACKETT HARLEY B. USAF O3 24-Jul-68 NVN/OW H351 HACKETT JAMES E. ARMY E4 11-Jun-72 SVN H352 HAGEN CRAIG L. ARMY E5 10-Jun-65 SVN H353 HAIGHT STEPHEN H. ARMY E4 09-May-70 SVN H354 HALE JOHN D. ARMY O2 08-Mar-71 SVN H005 HALL FREDERICK M. USAF O2 12-Apr-69 SVN H173 HALL GARY L. USMC E3 15-May-75 CAMB H168 HALL HARLEY H. USN O5 27-Jan-73 SVN H006 HALL JAMES S. USAF E2 29-Jul-66 NVN H355 HALL WALTER L. ARMY O2 10-Jun-65 SVN H356 HALL WALTER R. ARMY E4 22-Mar-71 LAOS HLS01 HALL WILLIS ROSELLE USAF E6 09-Aug-68 LAOS H007 HALLBERG ROGER C. ARMY E6 24-Mar-67 SVN H146 HALPIN RICHARD C. USAF O3 29-Mar-72 LAOS H008 HAMILTON DENNIS C. ARMY W1 05-Jan-68 LAOS H012 HAMM JAMES E. USAF O2 14-Mar-68 SVN H098 HAMMOND DENNIS W. USMC E4 08-Feb-68 SVN H013 HANDRAHAN EUGENE A. ARMY E4 10-Oct-68 SVN H602 HANGEN WELLES CIV 31-May-70 CAMB H014 HANLEY TERENCE H. USN O4 01-Jan-68 NVN/OW H015 HANNA KENNETH ARMY E7 07-Feb-68 SVN H358 HANRATTY THOMAS M. USMC E2 11-Jun-67 SVN H106 HANSEN LESTER A. ARMY W2 13-Aug-69 SVN H079 HANSON ROBERT T. USN O2 03-Feb-66 NVN/OW H016 HANSON STEPHEN PAUL USMC O3 03-Jun-67 LAOS H127 HARBER STEPHEN J. ARMY O4 02-Jul-70 SVN H174 HARGROVE JOSEPH N. USMC E3 15-May-75 CAMB H019 HARGROVE OLIN JR. ARMY E3 17-Oct-67 SVN H100 HARKER DAVID N. ARMY E3 08-Jan-68 SVN H020 HARLEY LEE D. USAF O3 18-May-66 LAOS H124 HARNED GARY A. ARMY E5 24-Mar-70 CAMB H360 HARPER RICHARD K. ARMY W3 19-May-65 SVN H133 HARRIS BOBBY G. ARMY E4 17-Mar-71 CAMB H081 HARRIS CARLYLE S. USAF O3 04-Apr-65 NVN H022 HARRIS GREGORY J. USMC E4 12-Jun-66 SVN H361 HARRIS HAROLD L. ARMY E3 22-Oct-66 SVN H023 HARRIS REUBEN USN E2 12-Apr-66 CHINA H119 HARRIS STEPHEN W. USAF E5 22-Apr-70 LAOS H107 HARRISON DONALD L. ARMY O3 29-Oct-68 NVN H364 HARRISON LARRY G. ARMY E6 26-Feb-71 CAMB H151 HARRISON ROBERT H. USAF O4 18-Jun-72 SVN H164 HART THOMAS T. III USAF O3 21-Dec-72 LAOS H025 HARTNESS GREGG USAF O3 26-Nov-68 LAOS H162 HARVEY JACK R. USAF O2 28-Nov-72 SVN H109 HARWOOD JAMES A. ARMY E2 15-Jan-71 SVN H027 HARWORTH ELROY E. USAF E3 31-May-66 NVN H028 HASENBACH PAUL A. ARMY E3 21-Apr-67 SVN H029 HASSENGER ARDEN K. USAF E5 24-Dec-65 LAOS H030 HASTINGS STEVEN M. ARMY E5 01-Aug-68 SVN H369 HATTORI MASAKI ARMY O4 22-Mar-68 SVN H370 HAVRANEK MICHAEL W. USMC E3 11-Jun-67 SVN H372 HAYDEN GLENN H. USN O5 17-Feb-68 LAOS H118 HEFEL DANIEL ARMY E4 05-Feb-70 SVN H165 HEGGEN KEITH R. USAF O5 21-Dec-72 NVN H036 HEITMAN STEVEN W. ARMY E5 13-Mar-68 SVN H037 HELBER LAWRENCE N. USMC O1 24-Jan-66 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 7 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 H377 HEMMEL CLARENCE J. USAF O3 21-Oct-67 SVN H176 HEMPEL BARRY L. USMC E2 10-May-68 SVN H148 HENDERSON WILLIAM J. USAF O2 03-Apr-72 SVN/OW H157 HENN JOHN R. JR. ARMY W2 24-May-72 SVN H104 HENRY NATHAN B. ARMY E4 12-Jul-67 SVN H120 HENSLEY RONNIE L. USAF E5 22-Apr-70 LAOS H379 HENTZ RICHARD J. ARMY E5 04-Mar-71 NVN H380 HEPLER FRANK M. USAF E5 12-May-68 SVN H381 HERNANDEZ FRANK S. ARMY E5 06-May-70 SVN H158 HEROLD RICHARD W. USAF O3 02-Sep-72 LAOS H042 HERREID ROBERT D. ARMY E2 10-Oct-68 SVN H111 HERRERA FREDERICK D. ARMY E3 25-Mar-69 SVN H115 HERRICK JAMES W. USAF O2 27-Oct-69 LAOS H043 HERRIN HENRY H. JR. USN O1 01-Jan-68 NVN/OW H044 HERROLD NED R. USAF O2 31-May-66 NVN H045 HESFORD PETER D. USAF O2 21-Mar-68 LAOS H046 HESS FREDERICK W. USAF O2 29-Mar-69 LAOS H383 HESS GENE K. USAF E5 17-Jun-66 SVN/OW H132 HESTAND JAMES H. ARMY W1 17-Mar-71 CAMB H048 HESTLE ROOSEVELT L JR USAF O4 06-Jul-66 NVN H180 HEYNE RAYMOND T. USMC E4 10-May-68 SVN H112 HICKS PRENTICE W. ARMY E3 25-Mar-69 SVN H387 HIEMER JERRY A. ARMY E4 17-Nov-65 SVN H126 HILBRICH BARRY W. ARMY O3 09-Jun-70 SVN H051 HILL BILLY D. ARMY E6 21-Jan-68 SVN H390 HILL JOHN R. ARMY O3 27-Apr-70 SVN/OW H391 HILL JOSEPH A. USMC E3 28-May-68 SVN H184 HILL RAYFORD J. USN E4 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW H052 HILL ROBERT L. USAF E6 18-Oct-66 NVN/OW H394 HILTON ROBERT L. USAF E4 14-Mar-66 NVN H395 HINES VAUGHN M. ARMY E3 08-Nov-67 SVN/OW HX01 HIRONS ALAN CIV 26-Apr-72 CAMB H160 HOCKRIDGE JAMES A. USAF O3 17-Oct-72 NVN H053 HODGSON CECIL J. ARMY E7 29-Jan-66 SVN H398 HOEFFS JOHN H. ARMY E4 28-Nov-66 SVN H117 HOFF MICHAEL G. USN O1 07-Jan-70 LAOS H054 HOFF SAMMIE D. USAF O2 30-Aug-66 NVN H131 HOLGUIN LUIS G. ARMY W1 03-Jan-71 SVN H189 HOLLAND MELVIN A. USAF E6 11-Mar-68 LAOS H402 HOLLINGER GREG N. ARMY O3 14-Dec-71 SVN/OW H403 HOLLINGSWORTH HAL T. USN O1 16-Jan-66 SVN/OW H404 HOLM ARNOLD E. JR. ARMY O3 11-Jun-72 SVN H405 HOLMAN GERALD A. USN O2 14-Dec-66 SVN/OW H059 HOLMES DAVID H. USAF O3 15-Mar-66 LAOS H061 HOLT JAMES W. ARMY E7 07-Feb-68 SVN H062 HOLTON ROBERT E. USAF O3 29-Jan-69 LAOS H407 HOLTZMAN RONALD L. ARMY E4 24-Aug-67 SVN H064 HOPPER EARL P. JR. USAF O2 10-Jan-68 NVN H123 HOSKEN JOHN C. ARMY W1 24-Mar-70 CAMB H130 HOSKINS CHARLES L. USAF O2 16-Feb-71 LAOS H413 HOSKINS DONALD R. USAF E6 26-Apr-72 SVN H065 HOSKINSON ROBERT E. USAF O3 29-Jul-66 NVN H414 HOUSE JOHN A. II USMC O3 30-Jun-67 SVN H066 HOUSH ANTHONY F. ARMY E6 19-Apr-68 SVN H129 HOWARD LEWIS J. ARMY E4 07-Jul-70 SVN H415 HOWARD LUTHER H. ARMY E4 30-Jun-67 SVN H145 HOWELL CARTER A. USAF O2 07-Mar-72 LAOS H116 HOWES GEORGE A. ARMY W1 10-Jan-70 SVN H102 HRDLICKA DAVID L. USAF O3 18-May-65 LAOS NAM VET Newsletter Page 8 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 H156 HUARD JAMES L. USAF O2 12-Jul-72 NVN H416 HUBBS DONALD R. USN O5 17-Mar-68 NVN/OW H122 HUBERTH ERIC J. USAF O2 13-May-70 CAMB H067 HUDDLESTON LYNN R. ARMY O2 26-Sep-67 SVN H134 HUMMEL JOHN F. ARMY W1 06-Mar-71 LAOS H182 HUMPHREY GALEN F. USMC E7 01-Feb-66 NVN H068 HUNEYCUTT CHARLES J. JR. USAF O2 10-Nov-67 NVN H422 HUNSICKER JAMES E. ARMY O2 24-Apr-72 SVN H069 HUNT JAMES D. ARMY O3 13-Oct-68 NVN/OW H152 HUNT LEON A. USAF E7 18-Jun-72 SVN H070 HUNT ROBERT W. ARMY E4 28-Feb-68 SVN H071 HUNT WILLIAM B. ARMY E6 04-Nov-66 SVN H424 HUNTER JAMES D. ARMY E3 29-Oct-68 SVN H072 HUNTER RUSSELL P. JR. USAF O3 10-Feb-66 LAOS H426 HUNTLEY JOHN N. ARMY E3 27-Sep-69 LAOS H185 HUSS ROY A. USN O2 06-Feb-68 SVN/OW H073 HUSTON CHARLES G. ARMY E5 28-Mar-68 LAOS I350 IANDOLI DONALD ARMY E5 19-Nov-67 SVN I002 INNES ROGER B. USN O2 27-Dec-67 NVN I005 IRELAND ROBERT N. USAF E7 22-Apr-70 LAOS I003 IRSCH WAYNE C. USAF O2 09-Jan-68 LAOS IX01 ISHI TOMOHARA CIV 31-May-70 CAMB I008 IVAN ANDREW JR. USAF O3 10-Sep-71 LAOS J350 JABLONSKI MICHAEL J. ARMY E3 27-Jun-69 SVN J351 JACKSON CARL E. USAF O3 27-Jun-65 SVN J033 JACKSON JAMES W. JR. USMC E3 21-Sep-69 SVN J036 JACOBSON TIMOTHY J. ARMY E4 16-May-71 SVN J053 JACQUES JAMES J. USMC E2 15-May-75 CAMB J001 JAKOVAC JOHN A. ARMY E5 31-May-67 SVN J032 JAMERSON LARRY C. ARMY E4 21-Apr-68 SVN J051 JAMES SAMUEL L. USAF O3 18-Apr-73 CAMB J357 JANOUSEK RONALD J. USMC O2 09-Aug-69 SVN J003 JEFFERSON JAMES M. USAF O2 12-May-67 NVN J004 JEFFERSON PERRY H. USAF O3 03-Apr-69 SVN J005 JEFFORDS DERRELL B. USAF O5 24-Dec-65 LAOS J358 JENKINS PAUL L. USAF E7 30-Jun-70 LAOS J359 JENNE ROBERT E. ARMY E4 08-May-68 SVN J006 JENSEN GEORGE W. USAF O4 15-May-66 LAOS J360 JEROME STNALEY M. USN E8 18-Feb-69 NVN/OW J007 JEWELL EUGENE M. USAF O2 04-Sep-65 NVN J362 JIMENEZ JUAN M. ARMY E4 11-May-68 SVN J009 JOHNS VERNON Z. ARMY E3 03-Feb-68 SVN J363 JOHNSON AUGUST D. USN E3 03-Feb-67 SVN J010 JOHNSON BRUCE G. ARMY O3 10-Jun-65 SVN J049 JOHNSON EDWARD H. USAF O2 21-Dec-72 NVN J011 JOHNSON FRANKIE B. JR. ARMY E2 21-Apr-68 SVN J365 JOHNSON GARY L. ARMY E4 18-Feb-71 LAOS J366 JOHNSON JAMES R. ARMY E3 21-Aug-66 SVN J035 JOHNSON RANDOLPH L. ARMY E5 20-Feb-71 LAOS J013 JOHNSON WILLIAM D. ARMY E3 19-Jan-68 SVN J371 JOHNSTONE JAMES M. ARMY O3 19-Nov-66 SVN J045 JONES BOBBY M. USAF O3 28-Nov-72 SVN J373 JONES GRAYLAND ARMY E3 23-Nov-69 SVN J014 JONES JAMES E. ARMY E7 03-Oct-66 LAOS J041 JONES JOHN R. ARMY E5 05-Jun-71 SVN J376 JONES JOHNNY M. ARMY O2 24-Apr-72 SVN J015 JONES LOUIS F. USAF O4 29-Nov-67 LAOS J055 JONES THOMAS P. USN O3 06-Feb-68 SVN/OW J018 JORDAN LARRY M. USN O2 12-Apr-66 CHINA NAM VET Newsletter Page 9 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 J378 JUDD MICHAEL B. USN E4 30-Jun-67 SVN J379 JURECKO DANIEL E. ARMY E4 08-May-68 SVN K052 KAHLER HAROLD USAF O4 14-Jun-69 LAOS K600 KALIL TANOS E. CIV 08-Feb-69 SVN K350 KANE BRUCE E. USMC E4 09-Aug-69 SVN K001 KARINS JOSEPH J. JR. USAF O3 11-Mar-67 NVN K002 KARST CARL F. USAF O4 16-Nov-68 SVN K355 KASCH FREDERICK M. USN O2 02-Jul-67 NVN K004 KEIPER JOHN C. USMC E4 15-Nov-66 SVN K005 KELLER JACK E. USN O4 21-Apr-66 NVN K006 KELLER WENDELL R. USAF O4 01-Mar-69 LAOS K358 KELLEY DANIEL M. ARMY E4 25-Apr-68 SVN K359 KEMP FREDDIE ARMY E2 17-Aug-66 SVN K058 KENNEDY JAMES E. ARMY E4 22-Dec-69 LAOS K370 KENNEDY JOHN W. USAF O2 16-Aug-71 SVN K009 KERNS GAIL M. ARMY E5 27-Mar-69 SVN K362 KERR ERNEST C. JR. USMC E3 26-Mar-68 SVN/OW K012 KERR MICHAEL S. USAF O4 16-Jan-67 NVN K015 KIEFEL ERNEST P. JR. USAF O3 10-Feb-66 LAOS K065 KIER LARRY GENE ARMY E3 06-May-70 SVN K366 KILLEN JOHN D. III USMC E3 30-Jun-67 SVN K056 KIMSEY WILLIAM A. JR. ARMY W2 21-Jan-68 NVN K019 KING CHARLES D. USAF O4 25-Dec-68 LAOS K020 KING DONALD L. USAF O3 14-May-66 NVN K089 KING GERALD E. USMC E4 10-May-68 SVN K368 KING MICHAEL E. ARMY E4 05-Mar-71 LAOS K369 KING PAUL C. JR. ARMY E3 04-May-68 LAOS K371 KINSMAN GERALD F. ARMY O2 15-Jan-71 SVN K022 KIPINA MARSHALL F. ARMY E4 14-Jul-66 LAOS K081 KIRBY BOBBY A. USAF O4 21-Dec-72 NVN KLS01 KIRK HERBERT A. USAF E6 11-Mar-68 LAOS K372 KIRKSEY ROBERT L. ARMY E3 01-Jan-66 SVN K373 KITCHENS PERRY C. ARMY E4 03-Nov-70 SVN K060 KLIMO JAMES R. ARMY E4 04-Nov-69 SVN K077 KLINKE DONALD H. USAF E5 18-Jun-72 SVN K379 KMETYK JOHATHAN P. USMC E3 14-Nov-67 SVN K380 KNAPP FREDRIC W. USN O2 02-Nov-67 NVN K031 KNEBEL THOMAS E. USAF E3 22-May-68 LAOS K032 KNIGHT HENRY C. ARMY W1 20-Oct-68 SVN K034 KNIGHT ROY A. JR. USAF O4 19-May-67 LAOS K382 KNOCHEL CHARLES A. USN O3 22-Sep-66 NVN/OW K383 KNUCKEY THOMAS W. ARMY O2 27-May-71 CAMB K384 KNUTSEN DONALD P. ARMY E4 22-Mar-71 LAOS K084 KNUTSON RICHARD A. ARMY W1 08-Jan-73 SVN K063 KOBASHIGAWA TOM Y. ARMY E5 05-Feb-70 SVN K385 KOENIG EDWIN LEE USN O4 14-Dec-66 SVN/OW K091 KOHLER DELVIN L. USN E4 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW K036 KOMMENDANT AADO USAF O2 08-Aug-66 SVN K387 KONYU WILLIAM M. ARMY W1 16-Apr-69 SVN K388 KOOI JAMES W. USMC E3 11-Jun-67 SVN K071 KOONS DALE F. USAF O2 26-Dec-71 NVN KCV01 KOSIN BEATRICE CIV 27-Oct-72 LAOS K092 KOSLOSKY HOWARD M. USN E3 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW K389 KRAVITZ JAMES S. USN O2 17-Feb-68 LAOS K039 KROMMENHOEK JEFFREY M. USN O3 25-Oct-67 NVN K040 KROSKE HAROLD W. JR. ARMY O2 11-Feb-69 CAMB K068 KRUPA FREDERICK ARMY O6 27-Apr-71 SVN K395 KRUSI PETER H. USN O4 03-Nov-67 SVN/OW K074 KULLAND BYRON K. ARMY O2 02-Apr-72 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 10 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 KX01 KUSAKA AKIRA CIV 06-APR-70 CAMB K051 KUSHNER FLOYD H. ARMY O3 30-Nov-67 SVN K396 KUSICK JOSEPH G. ARMY E5 08-Nov-67 SVN K095 KUSTIGAN MICHAEL T. USN E2 06-Apr-68 NVN K397 KUYKENDALL WILLIE C. ARMY E3 18-Aug-71 SVN L001 LA BOHN GARY R. ARMY E4 30-Nov-68 LAOS L351 LA GRAND WILLIAM J. ARMY W2 05-Sep-65 SVN L002 LACEY RICHARD J. ARMY E5 31-Jan-68 SVN L004 LAFAYETTE JOHN W. ARMY O3 06-Apr-66 LAOS L353 LAKER CARL J. ARMY E4 17-Jun-70 CAMB L354 LAMBTON BENNIE R. USN E7 13-Jun-66 NVN L005 LANCASTER KENNETH R. ARMY E4 03-Jan-68 SVN L007 LANE GLEN O. ARMY E7 23-May-68 LAOS L009 LANEY BILLY R. ARMY E7 03-Jun-67 LAOS L010 LANNOM RICHARD C. USN O2 01-Mar-68 NVN/OW L357 LAPHAM ROBERT G. USAF O4 08-Feb-68 SVN L011 LAPORTE MICHAEL L. USN E2 05-Sep-67 SVN L079 LATELLA GEORGE F. USAF O2 06-Oct-72 NVN L012 LATIMER CLARENCE A. ARMY E4 30-Mar-69 SVN L358 LAUREANO-LOPEZ ISMAEL ARMY E4 20-Feb-68 SVN L090 LAUTERIO MANUEL A. ARMY E5 08-Jan-73 SVN L359 LAUTZENHEISER MICHAEL ARMY E5 26-Oct-71 SVN/OW L361 LAWS DELMER L. ARMY E7 29-Jul-66 SVN L364 LAWSON KARL W. ARMY E4 09-Apr-68 SVN L083 LE BLANC LOUIS E. JR. USAF E7 22-Dec-72 NVN L037 LE FEVER DOUGLAS P. USAF O3 05-Nov-69 LAOS L365 LEAVER JOHN M. JR. USN O5 08-May-72 NVN/OW L366 LEDBETTER THOMAS I. ARMY O3 19-Jun-64 SVN L015 LEE LEONARD M. USN O4 27-Dec-67 NVN L019 LEEPER WALLACE W. ARMY W2 02-Dec-67 SVN L368 LEESER LEONARD C. USAF O3 28-Jan-70 NVN L016 LEETUN DAREL D. USAF O3 17-Sep-66 NVN L069 LEHRKE STANLEY L. USAF E4 18-Jun-72 SVN L370 LEMCKE DAVID E. ARMY E4 21-May-68 SVN L054 LEMMONS WILLIAM E. ARMY O2 18-Jun-67 SVN L063 LEMON JEFFREY C. USAF O3 25-Apr-71 LAOS L371 LEONARD MARVIN M. ARMY W2 15-Feb-71 LAOS L100 LEONARD ROBERT B. USN E5 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW L084 LERNER IRWIN S. USAF O3 20-Dec-72 NVN L074 LESTER RODERICK B. USN O2 20-Aug-72 NVN/OW L101 LEVAN ALVIN L. USN E3 25-Oct-66 SVN/OW L066 LEVIS CHARLES A. USAF O5 02-Apr-72 SVN L020 LEWANDOWSKI LEONARD J. JR. USMC E3 19-Oct-66 SVN L374 LEWIS CHARLIE G. ARMY E7 17-May-67 SVN L044 LEWIS EARL G. USN O2 24-Oct-67 NVN L022 LEWIS MERRILL R. USAF O3 20-Jul-66 NVN L050 LEWIS ROBERT III ARMY E4 05-Jan-68 SVN L376 LILLY LAWRENCE E. ARMY O2 17-Mar-71 CAMB L102 LINDAHL JOHN C. USN O3 06-Jan-73 NVN/OW L025 LINDEWALD CHARLES W. JR. ARMY E7 07-Feb-68 SVN L028 LINEBERGER HAROLD B. USAF O4 29-Jan-71 CAMB L027 LINK ROBERT C. ARMY W2 21-Apr-68 SVN L060 LINT DONALD M. USAF E2 22-Apr-70 LAOS L379 LITTLE DANNY L. ARMY E6 23-Apr-70 SVN L103 LIVINGSTON RICHARD A. USN O3 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW L380 LLOYD ALLEN R. ARMY E5 18-Feb-71 SVN L087 LOCKHART GEORGE B. USAF O3 21-Dec-72 NVN L029 LOHEED HUBERT B. USN O5 01-Feb-66 NVN L088 LOLLAR JAMES L. USAF E5 21-Dec-72 NVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 11 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 L384 LOMAX RICHARD E. ARMY E4 26-Mar-68 SVN L093 LONEY ASHTON N. USMC E3 15-May-75 CAMB L386 LONG GEORGE W. USAF E2 12-May-68 SVN L030 LONG JOHN H. USAF O2 18-Oct-66 NVN/OW L031 LONG JULIUS W. JR. ARMY E4 12-May-68 SVN L055 LONO LUTHER A. USMC O4 29-Sep-69 LAOS L387 LOPEZ ROBERT ARMY O5 06-Mar-68 SVN L097 LOPEZ ROBERT C. USMC E2 10-May-68 SVN L033 LORD ARTHUR JAMES ARMY O3 19-Apr-68 SVN L388 LOVEGREN DAVID E. ARMY E4 01-Mar-69 SVN L389 LUCAS LARRY F. ARMY O3 20-Dec-66 SVN L061 LUCKI AUBIN E. USAF O3 23-Apr-70 LAOS L098 LUKER RUSSELL B. USMC E4 01-Feb-66 NVN L072 LULL HOWARD B. JR. ARMY E7 07-Apr-72 SVN L064 LUTTRELL JAMES M. ARMY E6 10-May-71 SVN L089 LYNN ROBERT R. USAF O3 21-Dec-72 NVN L038 LYON DONOVAN L. USAF O4 22-Mar-68 LAOS L058 LYON JAMES M. ARMY O3 05-Feb-70 SVN M001 MAC CANN HENRY E. USAF O4 28-Mar-68 NVN M184 MAC DONALD GEORGE D. USAF O1 21-Dec-72 LAOS M002 MAC KEDANZ LYLE E. ARMY E6 21-Apr-68 SVN M003 MACKO CHARLES USAF O4 22-Feb-69 LAOS M006 MADISON WILLIAM L. USAF E5 15-May-66 LAOS M150 MAGEE PATRICK J. ARMY E6 03-Jan-71 SVN M352 MAGEE RALPH WAYNE USAF O2 23-Mar-61 LAOS M353 MAGERS PAUL G. ARMY O2 01-Jun-71 SVN M007 MAGNUSSON JAMES A. JR. USAF 03 04-Apr-65 NVN M140 MALLON RICHARD J. USAF O3 28-Jan-70 NVN M154 MALO ISRAKO F. ARMY E3 24-Apr-71 SVN M009 MALONE JIMMY M. ARMY E2 04-May-66 SVN M010 MAMIYA JOHN II USAF E6 29-Jul-66 NVN M357 MANCINI RICHARD M. USN E5 11-Jan-68 LAOS M011 MANGINO THOMAS A. ARMY E4 21-Apr-67 SVN M358 MANGUS ARLIE R. ARMY E4 03-Nov-70 SVN M201 MANNING RONALD J. USN E3 15-May-75 CAMB M603 MARK KIT T. CIV 30-May-70 SVN M364 MARKER MICHAEL W. ARMY O3 04-Mar-71 NVN M200 MARSHALL DANNY G. USMC E1 15-May-75 CAMB M196 MARTIN DOUGLAS K. USAF O3 18-Apr-73 CAMB M163 MARTIN DUANE W. USAF O2 20-Sep-65 LAOS M366 MARTIN JAMES E. USN E3 17-Feb-68 LAOS M367 MARTIN JERRY D. ARMY E3 03-Nov-70 SVN M013 MARTIN JOHN M. USAF O3 20-Nov-67 NVN M015 MARTIN RICHARD D. ARMY E4 01-May-68 SVN M369 MARTINEZ-MERCADO EDWIN J. ARMY E3 11-Nov-67 SVN M370 MARVIN ROBERT C. USN O3 14-Feb-67 NVN/OW M018 MASCARI PHILLIP L. USAF O2 02-May-69 LAOS M146 MASLOWSKI DANIEL L. ARMY W1 02-May-70 CAMB M371 MASON JAMES P. ARMY E5 17-Oct-68 SVN/OW M019 MASON WILLIAM W. USAF O5 22-May-68 LAOS M020 MASSUCCI MARTIN J. USAF O2 01-Oct-65 NVN M021 MASTERSON MICHAEL J. USAF O3 13-Oct-68 LAOS M132 MASUDA ROBERT S. ARMY E4 13-May-69 SVN M194 MATEJOV JOSEPH A. USAF E4 05-Feb-73 LAOS M374 MATTESON GLENN USAF O1 23-Mar-61 LAOS M008 MATTHES PETER R. USAF O2 24-Nov-69 LAOS M045 MAXWELL CALVIN W. ARMY O3 10-Oct-69 SVN M203 MAXWELL JAMES R. USMC E2 15-May-75 CAMB M151 MAY DAVID M. ARMY O2 20-Feb-71 LAOS NAM VET Newsletter Page 12 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 M375 MAY MICHAEL F. ARMY E4 02-Mar-69 CAMB M099 MAYER RODERICK L. USN O3 17-Oct-65 NVN M025 MAYERCIK RONALD M. USAF O2 24-Nov-67 LAOS M376 MAYSEY LARRY W. USAF E4 09-Nov-67 LAOS M377 MC ANDREWS MICHAEL W. ARMY W1 23-Dec-70 SVN/OW M125 MC CAIN JOHN S. USN O4 26-Oct-67 NVN M380 MC CANTS LELAND S. III ARMY O2 30-Dec-68 SVN M383 MC CLELLAND PAUL T. JR. USAF O3 14-Nov-65 SVN M157 MC CLURE CLAUDE DONALD ARMY E6 24-Nov-63 SVN M384 MC CONNELL JERRY ARMY E2 24-Sep-68 SVN M385 MC CORMICK CARL O. USAF O5 06-Oct-72 SVN M029 MC CRARY JACK USAF E6 29-Dec-67 NVN M030 MC CUBBIN GLENN D. USAF O2 19-May-68 NVN M100 MC CUISTION MICHAEL K. USAF O3 08-May-67 NVN M101 MC DANIEL EUGENE B. USN O4 19-May-67 NVN M031 MC DANIEL MORRIS L. JR. USAF O4 04-Oct-67 NVN M032 MC DONALD EMMETT R. USAF O3 31-May-66 NVN M172 MC DONALD JOSEPH W. USMC O2 03-May-72 NVN M033 MC DONALD KURT C. USAF O3 31-Dec-64 SVN M388 MC DONNEL R.D. ARMY E6 25-Mar-71 SVN M034 MC ELHANON MICHAEL O. USAF O4 16-Aug-68 NVN M390 MC ELROY GLENN DAVID ARMY O5 15-Mar-66 LAOS M391 MC ELROY JOHN L. USAF O1 12-May-68 SVN M187 MC ELVAIN JAMES R. USAF O4 18-Dec-72 NVN/OW M035 MC GAR BRIAN K. ARMY E3 31-May-67 SVN M209 MC GONIGLE WILLIAM D. USMC E2 10-May-68 SVN M037 MC GOULDRICK FRANCIS J. JR. USAF O4 13-Dec-68 LAOS M214 MC GRATH JAMES P. USN E3 03-Aug-67 SVN/OW M395 MC INTOSH IAN ARMY W1 24-Nov-70 SVN M396 MC KAIN BOBBY L. ARMY W2 03-May-68 SVN M215 MC KAY HOMER E. USN E5 06-Feb-68 SVN/OW M039 MC KENNEY KENNETH D. USAF E5 15-May-66 LAOS M217 MC KINNEY CLEMIE USN O3 14-Apr-72 SVN/OW M040 MC KITTRICK JAMES C. ARMY O3 18-Jun-67 SVN M188 MC LAUGHLIN ARTHUR V. JR. USAF E7 20-Dec-72 NVN M122 MC LEAN JAMES H. ARMY E4 09-Feb-65 SVN M402 MC LEOD ARTHUR E. ARMY W1 12-Feb-71 SVN M403 MC LEOD DAVID V. JR. USAF E7 14-Jun-73 CAMB M041 MC MAHAN ROBERT C. USN O2 14-Feb-68 NVN M405 MC MICAN M.D. USN O2 02-Jun-65 NVN M042 MC MURRAY CORDINE ARMY E5 12-Jul-67 SVN M043 MC MURRAY FRED H. JR. ARMY O2 07-Apr-68 SVN M044 MC MURRY WILLIAM G. ARMY E4 07-Feb-68 SVN M046 MC PHAIL WILLIAM T. USAF O3 22-May-68 LAOS M408 MC QUADE JAMES R. ARMY O2 11-Jun-72 SVN M049 MEADOWS EUGENE T. USAF O2 13-Oct-66 NVN M051 MEIN MICHAEL H. ARMY E4 30-Nov-68 LAOS M052 MELDAHL CHARLES H. ARMY E5 20-Oct-68 SVN M053 MELLOR FREDRIC M. USAF O3 13-Aug-65 NVN M195 MELTON TODD M. USAF E5 05-Feb-73 LAOS M176 MERCER JACOB E. USAF E7 18-Jun-72 SVN M055 MERONEY VIRGIL K. USAF O2 01-Mar-69 LAOS M414 METOYER BRYFORD G. ARMY O2 18-Jan-64 SVN/OW M226 MIDGETT DEWEY A. ARMY E2 25-Nov-67 SVN M061 MILLARD CHARLES W. ARMY W3 19-Apr-68 SVN M418 MILLER CARLTON P. JR. USN O2 06-Jan-71 NVN/OW M164 MILLER CURTIS D. USAF O3 29-Mar-72 LAOS M618 MILLER GEORGE C. CIV 12-Mar-75 SVN M419 MILLER GLENN E. ARMY E5 10-May-68 SVN NAM VET Newsletter Page 13 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 M420 MILLER MALCOM T. USN E4 10-May-67 SVN M421 MILLER MICHAEL A. USAF O2 28-Mar-69 SVN M064 MILLER RICHARD A. USMC O3 22-Nov-65 SVN M143 MILLER ROGER A. ARMY W1 15-APR-70 SVN M424 MILLER WYATT JR. ARMY E2 13-Sep-70 SVN M152 MILLINER WILLIAM P. ARMY W1 06-Mar-71 LAOS M067 MILLS JAMES B. USN O2 21-Sep-66 NVN M068 MIMS GEORGE I. JR. USAF O2 20-Dec-65 NVN M070 MISHUK RICHARD E. USMC E2 19-Oct-66 SVN M071 MITCHELL ALBERT C. USAF O4 25-Apr-68 NVN M602 MITCHELL ARCHIE E. CIV 30-May-62 SVN M210 MITCHELL DONALD W. USMC E3 10-May-68 SVN M072 MITCHELL GILBERT L. USN O3 06-Mar-68 NVN M225 MITCHELL HARRY E. USN E3 05-May-68 SVN M073 MITCHELL THOMAS B. USAF O3 22-May-68 LAOS M429 MIXTER DAVID I. ARMY E5 29-Jan-71 LAOS M432 MONTEZ ANASTACIO ARMY E7 24-May-69 SVN M220 MONTGOMERY RONALD W. USN E5 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW M162 MOON WALTER H. ARMY O4 22-Apr-61 LAOS M433 MOONEY FRED ARMY E7 27-Feb-71 LAOS M075 MOORE HERBERT W. JR. USAF O3 03-Sep-67 NVN M077 MOORE JERRY L. ARMY E3 16-Feb-69 SVN M078 MOORE MAURICE H. ARMY E4 12-May-68 SVN M436 MOORE RAYMOND G. ARMY E4 09-Oct-69 SVN M124 MOORE THOMAS USAF E6 31-Oct-65 SVN M221 MOORE WILLIAM R. USN E5 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW M079 MOREIDA MANUEL J. ARMY E4 02-Dec-67 SVN M440 MOREIRA RALPH A. JR. ARMY W1 05-Mar-71 LAOS M080 MORELAND JAMES L. ARMY E4 07-Feb-68 SVN M441 MORELAND STEPHEN C. USAF O2 12-May-68 SVN M083 MORGAN CHARLES E. USAF O3 06-Jul-66 NVN M119 MORGAN HERSCHEL S. USAF O3 03-Apr-65 NVN M085 MORGAN JAMES S. USAF O4 10-Nov-67 NVN M443 MORGAN WILLIAM J. ARMY O4 25-Feb-72 SVN M139 MORLEY CHARLES F. USAF O2 18-Feb-70 LAOS M193 MORRIS GEORGE W. JR. USAF O3 27-Jan-73 SVN M130 MORRISON JOSEPH C. USAF O4 25-Nov-68 NVN M182 MORRISSEY ROBERT D. USAF O4 07-Nov-72 LAOS M222 MOSER PAUL K. USN E4 02-Oct-69 NVN/OW M451 MOSHIER JIM E. USMC E4 11-Jun-67 SVN M178 MOSSMAN HARRY S. USN O3 20-Aug-72 NVN/OW M452 MOSSMAN JOE R. USN O2 13-Sep-65 NVN M453 MOWREY GLENN W. USMC E4 26-Mar-68 SVN/OW M454 MOWREY RICHARD L. USN O2 14-Dec-66 SVN/OW M093 MUNDT HENRY G. USAF O2 08-May-69 LAOS M136 MUNOZ DAVID L. ARMY E3 13-May-69 SVN M457 MURPHY BARRY D. ARMY E5 18-Mar-69 CAMB M145 MURPHY LARRON D. ARMY O3 23-Apr-70 SVN M458 MURPHY TERENCE M. USN O2 09-Apr-65 CHINA M460 MUSETTI JOSEPH T. JR. USN E5 28-Sep-67 SVN M461 MUSIL CLINTON A. SR. ARMY O3 31-May-71 LAOS NAM VET Newsletter Page 14 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 MIA/KIA DataBases Now Available! From: Friends Of The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Input by: Alex Humphrey At VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, a non-political, non-profit organization dedicated to preserving the historical and emotional significance of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is pleased to offer, on disk, two significant databases: 1. The database used to compile the names on the Memorial itself, which contains the name of each KIA or MIA, branch, rank, home of record, date of birth and date of casualty. The diskettes containing this database are available for $40 per set. In addition, for $60, the Friends has the index and searching program that can be used to search by field. 2. The National Archives database, which, in addition to the above information, contains such information as major organizational unit of each casualty, province in which the casualty occurred, type of casualty (air, ground, vehicular) and cause of death -- some 23 fields in all. We are selling the diskettes containing this database for $200. All the foregoing diskettes are MS-DOS, and we can provide them on high-density 5 1/4 and small diskettes and low-density 5 1/4 diskettes, depending on your hardware. The Memorial database is 6 KB, and the -- make that 6 MB -- and the reading program is approximately 16 MB. The Archives database, which does not include a reading program, is significantly larger. Please send orders to: Ira Hamburg, President Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial 634 North Carolina Ave SE Washington DC 20003 (202) 543-2836 NAM VET Newsletter Page 15 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 W W M M W W M M M M W W \ / M M M M OOOO W W W --*-- M M M IIII O O W W W W / \ M M II O O W W W W M M II O O W W M M II O O II PPPPPP O O ..... II AA PP PP OOOO . '' '' .. IIII A A PP PP ..' '.. A A PPPPPPP ..' ''. A A PP ..' '. AAAAAA PP .' ''. A A PP .' '. A A .' .:::::.. '. .' .::::::::::. ' .' .::::::::::::::. '. .' __ .::::::::::::::::;:... '. .' _- -_ .:::::::::::::::::::::::. '. .' _-_ _ _ -_ ::::::::::::::::::::::::' '. .. _- -!!___!!!-_:::::::::::::::::::::::. .. .' ==_ _- _= .:::::::::::::::::::::::: ', . =-_= _= = :::::::::::::::::::::::: . .' =-_ =_- = ::::::::::::::::::::::: '. .' = - -_ =_:::::::::::::::::::::. '. .' -_ -_- .:::::::::::::::::::;;;. 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" NAM VET Newsletter Page 16 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= N o t e w o r t h y ! ================================================================= Vietnam Memorial cracks, errors bring veterans' appeals El Paso Times El Paso, TX February 4, 1990 Input by: Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 WASHINGTON (AP) - The veterans who built the Vietnam Veterans Memorial are going back to their contributors,this time asking for $376,500 to repair hairline cracks and correct errors in names on the granite wall and pursue a claim against the contractors. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund Inc., which raised $7 million from the public to build the monument, sent a solicitation last fall to 100,000 addresses, in a mailing to test the likely response, and a revised mailing of 700,000 pieces recently. Further appeals are planned over the course of this year. "As I write you today, I desperately hope that great healing spirit still exists,because we need your help urgently," reads one of the appeals. It is signed by fund president Jan Scruggs. NAM VET Newsletter Page 17 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 'Mad Dog' talked the talk, walked the walk Laura Palmer-N.Y. Columnist In the El Paso Times February 4, 1990 Input by: Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veterans Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 Wall Street whiz Jeff Beck could easily have won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam. Maybe he figured a Silver Star,two Bronze Stars and four Purple Hearts were enough. For years, Beck 43, who now works for Drexel Burnham Lambert, was part of the merger mania on Wall Street, playing for the high stakes any high roller would envy. He wowed colleagues with war stories. Some called him "Mad Dog,"his nickname from his two tours of duty in Vietnam,he explains. Before big meetings, he'd pump up adrenalin by shouting "lock and load." He showed many the scar on his wrist where, he said, an AK-47 round tore into him in the Ia Drang Valley. It's impressive, yes, but what's truly astounding is that "Mad Dog" Beck never went to Vietnam. He enlisted in the Army reserves to avoid the draft. A woman who knew Beck between one of his three marriages says nightmares left him shaking. "The guy lied in his sleep!" she exclaimed to the Wall Street Journal reporter who broke through Jeff Beck's facade of lies recently in a dazzling and detailed expose. But it wasn't just the men in their wingtipped shoes and red suspenders who bought Beck's lies. Oliver Stone, who hired him to work as a consultant and gave him a bit part in his film "Wall Street," said he thought he was talking to a fellow veteran who still seemed troubled by the war. Even when finally confronted about his lies, Beck remained unbowed. He said if it weren't for national security considerations, he could explain. In the '70s, people hid the fact they had been to Vietnam. They lied on job applications because they wanted desperately to get hired. They lied in bars because they didn't want to get beat up. They lied on college campuses because they didn't want to be scorned. In the '80s, public sentiment changed. Suddenly, it wasn't just good to be a Vietnam vet,it became hot. Vietnam became a quick fix. Failed lives had a ready explanation for why they couldn't get it together. There is nothing like a whiff of combat to give a puny life a dash of bravado. Feel guilty about not going? See a few movies and say you did. As "Mad Dog"Beck, a world-class Vietnam wannabe proved, if you can talk the talk and walk the walk, it won't be hard to find people who'll believe you. Linda Schwartz, 45, an Air Force nurse who was stationed in Japan during the war, says she's known numerous impostors, male and female. While the fabrications reflect a welcome change in the perception of veterans, she's annoyed by the flip side. "If people want to be Vietnam veterans, and they're not, they are really sucking off the reputation we have built over these years." NAM VET Newsletter Page 18 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 "In-Touch" -- Helping Vets of Then & Now Input by: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau Herndon Byte eXchange - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010 Following received from the office of the Friends of the Vietnam Veterans: --------------------------------------------------------------- January 20, 1990 IN TOUCH 1350 Connecticut Ave. N.W. Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20036 Sirs: I am a volunteer at the Vietnam Veterans Center in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where I recently saw an issue in (missing text) newsletter. I was very interested to see the information published therein concerning your organization, IN TOUCH. For many years, I have sought ways to make contact with anyone who may have known my fiance, Millard W. Lehman, who was killed in a mortar attack at Binh Thuy AB, Viet Nam on July 8, 1966. Millard (or "Lee", as he was known to his friends) and I were engaged in the Fall of 1965 in a little town in Northern Minnesota called Baudette. I was very young -- 18 years old, to his 22. The following April, he went to Viet Nam, and was killed after just a few months "in country.". During the period of time he was there, however, I have 32 letters from him. He described many things, but made no mention of friends he may have made, etc.... When he was killed I have little knowledge or memory of the event. It is entirely possible that some of my memories have died along with him, as it was very traumatic for me. Since I began doing Volunteer work at the Vet Center in the Fall of 1988, and through the efforts of the office manager there along with some correspondence to Lee's parents, I have since discovered some things I was unaware of previously. For instance, I did not know that he was the first GI to be killed at that Base. I knew a memorial made of granite of stone had been erected in his honor (he sounded the alarm, alerting the base to the danger and was awarded the Bronze Star, posthumously), I had never seen pictures of it and was really unaware as to its size and place of honor. I have since learned that the plaque on the memorial bearing his name was sent to his parents when our government pulled out and the memorial was dismantled. As a strange coincidence, the man who is the office manager at our Vet Center was also stationed at Binh Thuy, although it was 2 years after Lee's death. He recalled that the memorial had the Birn of Arizona (the state which Lee was from) on top, and was surrounded by a garden with well maintained flowers. On a recent visit to Tucson, Arizona to see Lee's parents, I was able to obtain some photographs of the memorial; I have enclosed one as well as other correspondence, newspaper or magazine clippings, etc...Although I married someone else in 1967, and NAM VET Newsletter Page 19 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 after 23 years with my husband and 2 children, I have maintained close ties with Lee's family. For many years however, I did everything I could to avoid anything to do with Viet Nam. I read no books, went to no movies, and studiously avoided any television coverage. Finally in the summer of 1986, I visited Washington, D.C. and went to the Wall. It was difficult. I went again with my husband in January of 1987. Painful wounds were opened, and in the summer of 1988, I found myself in the middle of what I now realize was a depression. It seemed I had successfully avoided the loss of Lee for many years, but the visit to the Wall opened the floodgates to my emotions. After a few months of behavior very unlike my norm, I decided to look for volunteer work as a way of erasing my own depression and helping someone else. I had no plans to go to the Vietnam Vet Center, and yet one day as I was driving to the library, I noticed the storefront office and was really drawn to go in. I did so immediately, before I could change my mind. Instead of the few moments I expected to be inside, I ended up speaking to a counselor for several hours. A few days later, I was introduced to the Team Leader and permission for my volunteer help was granted. In the year and a half since I have been there, I have found peace. In helping others, I have healed my own wounds. (Just this past summer, the Sioux Falls Vet Center celebrated its 10th Anniversary and I was chairperson for a picnic held in September. 1,500 Veterans and their families attended from a 3 state area, and the entire day was very rewarding.) Bit by bit, I wrote some letters, found a few more items of information, made a few visits and finally went to Lee's grave in Tucson to really say goodbye. I still, however, have some strong feelings about getting in touch with anyone who might have known him in Viet Nam....anyone who might remember him. I might add that my husband and children have been extremely supportive and understanding and have encouraged me to do whatever I feel I must do in this regard. I "have" had some correspondence with (name withheld), a man who was stationed at Binh Thuy (after Lee died) and whose letters to his wife, Yolanda, were published in the book, "Dear America - letters home from Viet Nam". He was kind enough to respond to my inquiry, but could not shed any additional information about the memorial or about Lee. After reading this lengthy letter, I do hope there is some way you can help me located anyone who was stationed with Lee. He was there from April 1966 to July 8, 1966. In one of his last letters, he told me that he was beginning to work with training dogs. I think he was an AP, and his Rank was Airman 1st class (AF19669028). He was with the 632nd Combat Support Group. Many times in the past year or so I have wondered how many women like me are out there - women who were "just engaged" but not married - and how their loss affected their lives. I feel that your project will be a healing device for many, many people, and I applaud your efforts. Yours Truly Erlyce Pekas ---------------------------------------------------------------- If YOU can help: Replies can be sent to Herndon Byte eXchange - NAM VET Newsletter Page 20 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010this node and we will ensure that the Friends get the copy of the message to Erlyce. Thanking you all in advance. God bless and keep the faith. Ray "Frenchy" Moreau USN (RET) but not from life........ NAM VET Newsletter Page 21 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 IN-TOUCH - Project Summary Input by: Ray "Frenchy" Moreau Herndon Byte eXchange - Herndon, VA (703) 471-8010 To : Scott Summers Subj: "IN-SEARCH/IN-TOUCH SS> This seems like a great project Ray. I wonder if you could SS> give me more information about this. Each year (so far at SS> least) we have had the "Moving Wall" here in Houston, and get SS> many many questions regarding this very same subject. SS> Perhaps we could get something going with the In Touch SS> project that could provide these people the kinds of SS> assistance that we have been unable to give. ----------------------------------------------------------------- IN-TOUCH - Project Summary There are some 43 million people in the United States whose lives were directly and irrevocably touched by the Vietnam War. Almost four million people served in Vietnam - the longest, and perhaps most difficult, war in our history. More than a quarter of a million were seriously wounded. 58,175 are dead or missing. Each of those who returned recognizes the true cost of war. But so too do the families and friends, wives and lovers of those listed on the Wall. They too paid a tremendous price, not always recognized... many still do. Though twenty years have passed, it seems that is the period people have needed to get the distance necessary to begin to address the unresolved, deeply personal issues that have been haunting them since the war. Perhaps that is a measure of the pain. But, the "healing of a nation" that was intended by the building of the Memorial, has begun. In the office of the Friends, we hear them on the other end of the phone on any given day, and far into the night, they call from all corners of the country. "If only I could find out...," "I need to find his family so I can keep my promise..." "I just want to talk to someone who was with him...," "Please, can you help...?" At the Wall, we find them every day. Veterans who have not spoken of their experiences even to their most intimate family members are now beginning, tentatively, to seek a responsive ear. Brothers and sisters, parents and even wives who were simply never allowed full expression of their grief because of the fierce pressures of the time, are now coming forward, looking for someone who can help with their healing. We hear from children, now 15 - 25 years old, who are searching for bits and pieces of information they can assemble to help fill that empty place in their lives that is the father they never knew NAM VET Newsletter Page 22 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 well, if at all. And they want to talk to each other, to share their special needs and the unique experience of growing up with a father on the Wall. They understand each other all too well. Millions of Americans need to meet and talk because of the Wall, and only the Friends can help them. Initial discussions with many other national organizations whose work brings them into contact with Vietnam veterans and their loved once have attested to the need for "IN-TOUCH" and their willingness to help. The Program - Putting people "IN TOUCH" Simply put, the Friends will draw on its special work at the Memorial, its acquired and available data bases and the commitment and concern of its volunteers to place people with a common association to a name on the Wall to be in voluntary communication with each other. From there, we will let human nature take its good course. And let the healing begin. The starting point for the data base will be the more than twenty thousand names of people who have requested name rubbings from our volunteers in Washington. Each will be contacted and given the opportunity to participate by being listed in the central data file. Confidentiality is the keyword to cooperation and "IN TOUCH" will respect the integrity of all lists and records. Lists will be unavailable for public use and will not be distributed for any commercial purpose. By its nature, "IN TOUCH" must reach far beyond the veterans community in order to be successful. With professional guidance, the Friends will develop a program of ongoing articles and other coverage in major media markets, highlighting the personal experiences of people as they are put "in touch". Aside from bringing the program into public awareness, these articles and stories will serve as a valuable tool for public education on a wealth of matters relating to the Vietnam era. As a preliminary test of the "IN TOUCH" project, the Friends has implemented a pilot project to test the design and demands of such a program. Several hundred requests with full background information have been entered into a system designed to match requester data with the existing Memorial data. Even with such a small sample, limited data and a fairly sophisticated cross- indexing system being designed by Electronic Data Systems, matches have been made and "IN TOUCH" has produced its first real connections. The results have been as profoundly moving for the participants as expected. And as gratifying for the Friends. With donations of hardware being made by Zenith Corporation, Paradox by Borland International for data base, Quarterdeck Office Systems for QEMM and DesQview and systems integration from EDS, the system will be powerful enough to handle thousands, perhaps hundred of thousands, of requests. NAM VET Newsletter Page 23 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 The initial budget projections for this program are high for the first year start-up costs even with the heartful donations. The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial are looking for donations from all to keep this project ongoing and to continue its role in healing a scared and wounded nation. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Scott: The major areas of the program in regards to software and methods used are still being designed. However, your assistance in gathering donations for this worthy cause would be eagerly accepted. If you or your friends intend to donate, please mail your remittance to: The Friends of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial 1350 Connecticut Ave., N.W. Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20036 Attention: Wanda Ruffin In-Touch Project Director P.S. More to come later Scott. Would appreciate, if available, the schedule of the Moving Wall. Have a nice day, keep the faith and smile . Ray "Frenchy" Moreau USN (RET) but not from life........ NAM VET Newsletter Page 24 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 Locating Military Personnel By: Rod Germain Arcadia, CA Input at: VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 I sent you a file previously about a book called "HOW TO LOCATE ANYONE WHO IS OR HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY" by Lt. Col. Richard S. Johnson. I received my copy and I'm impressed with the all of the different people and departments he lists. Here are few: 1) "BRAVO' Buddy Search 23917 Craftsman Road Calabasas, Ca. 91302 2) Vietnam Data Resource & Electronic Library Modem Line 213-373-6597 8-N-1 New Operating Speeds/hours (Pacific Time): 8pm to 9am > 300, 1200, 2400 Baud 9am to 8pm > 300 Baud Senior Librarian Phil Coleman EAST COAST ACCESS Modem Line 508-831-7436 Librarian Dr. Ed Cole (Founded July 4, 1988) 3) LZ Birmingham Modem Line 205-870-7770 P.O. Box 130444 Birmingham, AL. 4) US Veterans BBS Modem Line 612-522-2026 5) Fighting Country III Modem Line 602-486-1833 6) USS Merrill Reunion Association P.O. Box 681 Enka, NC 28728-0681 ALL ARMED FORCES REUNIONS Modem Line 704-667-8021 300, 1200, 2400 Baud The Col. is publishing a new book right now and should be ready for mailing by early spring. If anyone is interested contact " MILITARY INFORMATION ENTERPRISES P.O. BOX 340081 FORT SAM HOUSTON, TEXAS 78234". I passed along info about NAMVET to him, he had not heard of it, and he will list it in his next book. I hope you get lots of subscriptions! Well that's about it, just thought I would pass this along. PEACE AND FREEDOM BE WITH YOU, Rod Germain NAM VET Newsletter Page 25 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= R e m e m b e r T h e m ! ! ! ================================================================= Incarcerated Veterans' Update By Joyce Flory NAM VETs Incarcerated Veteran Section Editor Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-2811 Since I'm listed as Co-Editor, Incarcerated Veterans section, I thought it was about time I let you all know what I've been doing. I was given my assignment about November 14, 1989. Since then I have been sending out the following letter to any address I thought may help. To Whom it may Concern: I am writing on the behalf of the International Vietnam Veterans Echo-conference, which runs an international electronic bulletin board (via computers and a monthly newsletter). I am seeking any help you may be able to give me in compiling a list of incarcerated veterans that may wish to obtain pen-pals. This list would be posted both in the newsletter and on the electronic bulletin board, reaching around North America and into, at least, Australia. If it would be easier to transfer the list to me by floppy disc, I will be more than happy to send one (or more if needed). I will also make the offer of paying any postal costs incurred on my behalf. Thank you, in advance, for any information you may send my way. Your's truly; Joyce Flory 1825 Evelyn Las Cruces,New Mexico 88001 505-524-0103 Fido Netmail 305/105 505-523-2811 To date, I have heard from: Amvets,which states it can't help, but suggests I contact state departments of corrections (no help with addresses), Division of Veterans Affairs (state of New York), that is forwarding my request to Veterans Project Assist. c/o Department of correctional services, & National Vietnam Veterans Coalition, which put me in touch with Voices for Incarcerated Veterans and gave me the only name of a veteran I have, to date. Whitmarsh Bailey #56715 P.O. Box R Buena Vista,Colo 81211 The American Veteran's Committee moved,leaving no forwarding address and Santa Fe, NM corrections department wanted to help, but couldn't due to the privacy act. Waiting to be heard from are: Voices for Incarcerated Veterans, Veterans of Vietnam Inc., Pointman International Ministries, Office of Commissioners of Veterans Service in Mass., Veterans Project Assist. in N.Y., National Vietnam Veterans of America, Vietnam Veterans of Canada, Vietnam Veterans of America (Berkshire Chapter), USS Liberty Veterans Assoc., National Incarcerated Veterans Network, Alliance of Women's Veterans, NAM VET Newsletter Page 26 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 American GI Forum of the US, Armed Forces Communications & Electronic Assoc., Army & Navy Union USA INC., Combined National Veterans Assoc. of America, Legion of Valor of the USA Inc., National Assoc. for uniformed Services, National Assoc. of Concerned Veterans, Regular Veterans Assoc. of the US Inc., Veterans of Foreign Wars of the US, Vietnam Era Veterans Assoc., and Vietnam Veterans of America Inc. As soon as I hear from any of the above &/or receive a list of incarcerated, I'll post another update. 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It's been said that depression is often a consequence of "swallowed" anger that has never been acknowledged. Sometimes I think that it's more acceptable, in our culture, to be depressed than to be angry. Because of this attitude, a depressed person who has hidden his/her anger has the appearance of being a person without a focus on life. This person is being drained, and will soon lie down in a bed of dejection that is paralyzing in it's nature. Will you believe that this is nothing less than self-punishment? We have in our daily life everything that we need for happiness. In spite of this, there is a certain "Poverty of Attitude" which controls a persons outlook at any given moment of time. This type of person, a Vet living a life of depression because of hidden, or "swallowed" anger, is a person who is seized by unexcitement, inertia, and depression. On the other hand, there is another form of anger, seen in the Vet who is open and honest about how they feel. They're outspoken, and candid. Swallow their anger? Not quite! They tend to cut loose on the first person they meet! They don't know what depression is! This causes broken marriages, destroys friendships. Many of the people that they cut loose on have no idea how to relate, become scared, and run. They run because they have no idea about what is really being expressed. Of all the emotions we can express, a open, deep anger is probably the most feared by our friends, and families. Lets look at what God's word has to say on the subject of anger. Remember Moses? (Old Testament) Ex 11: He had a GREAT ANGER! If you follow the story for a couple chapters, you'll find that God never did punish Moses for throwing down the ten commandments hewn in stone, and breaking them. Since God didn't punish Moses, we might consider this question: Is all anger sinful? The answer is no, it isn't. In Eph 4:26 (New Testament) it says, "Be angry and sin not." In other words, when you get mad, don't sin! How about that emotion you felt when... Was God angry? You be the judge. You make the decision. But here are some facts: Anger is emotional, True. But it is also biochemical. We have a built in defensive system. In the field of Psychology, it's called the "Flight or Fight" mechanism. Adrenalin is pushed into the bloodstream where it activates a series of events, or NAM VET Newsletter Page 29 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 psychological responses in our bodies. The heartbeat is increased. The eyes are dilated (so that our peripheral vision is improved) Our hands get sweaty. The mouth gets dry. Our muscles get a quick burst of energy. In short, we go from quiet to Full Alarm in a matter of seconds! Now, I think it's important to understand something at this point... All of this, just as it happens, is an involuntary response. It happens whether we want it to or not! Because it happens, (Fight symptoms released in our bodies) we can't help but feel the rise of emotions within us! We can't ignore the emotion, because of the simple fact that it's there! Therefore, I believe that God gave us this system, as it were, for a protection procedure, and He does not condemn us when it functions correctly! The scripture says THIS: "Be angry... (An act of our will) ...and sin not." In other words, it's o.k. to get angry! But where do we stop in our anger before it becomes sin? Our reaction to the anger is deliberate,and: If we play the scene over and over in our minds; If we go about gritting our teeth, Clenching our fists with hostility, Seeking an opportunity for revenge; If we lash out in an overt act of violence... Then we have crossed the line into sin. In Romans 12:17-21 (18) it says `do not repay anyone evil for evil. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.' Do you think that maybe Paul is telling us to play it cool, to use self-control, exercise a little self restraint? We all have different backgrounds, various temperaments, levels of maturity, and responsibility. Therefore it's for certain that we'll all react to a stimulus in a different manner. Some of us will get angry. Modern thought is "Let it all out!" In a 6th grade classroom, I saw a sign that read: "Hatred is stored up anger. Therefore, getting mad is a loving thing." Man! Something is wrong in that thought! If you have a problem with anger interfering and ruining your friendships, driving family members away from you, then read on. This is for you. To get rid of anger with a correct response involves several NAM VET Newsletter Page 30 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 things. Here are some suggestions. 1. Go to the Lord in prayer with the matter at hand. 2. Explain why you feel the way you do to a mature and understanding third party who can advise and lead. This might be a pastor, a fellow Vet, a friend. God can even use a stranger in a coffee shop! 3. Go to the offender and show a spirit of love and forgiveness. It sometimes helps me to remember that tomorrow will still come, that my anger won't necessarily add or subtract from my physical life. So what's the use of getting angry, and staying that way? Besides, many times, the guilty one doesn't even know that they've "pushed our button" until it's too late! 4. Understand that sometimes God, in His infinite wisdom, allows situations to come our way in order to help us on the way towards spiritual maturity. Spiritual maturity includes our correct response to the anger stimulus. 5. In all out guilt, God has forgiven us. Can we do any less to those who cause the defense mechanism to rise up in us? God leads us along until we come to the point where He demands "Are you going to Obey me, or not?" If we obey, Our growth toward spiritual, and emotional maturity is assured, and we'll be on the road to deliverance from our anger, and it's adverse affects. --Next month PTSD: Anger (fear, Manipulative, Withdrawn, Numb) Rev. 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II I "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age" Matthew 28:20 NAM VET Newsletter Page 32 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= I V V E C R e v i e w s " B o r n o n t h e 4 t h " ================================================================= MEMORIES SHARP AS BAYONETS FOR BERKSHIRE VETS, MOVIE EVOKES VIETNAM THE BERKSHIRE EAGLE PITTSFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS WEDNESDAY JANUARY 31, 1990 By Linda Burchard Berkshire Eagle Staff Input by: G. Joseph Peck NAM VETs Managing Editor VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 PITTSFIELD (MA) - Memories, sharp as bayonets, vivid as shell- bursts, engulfed a group of Vietnam veterans who viewed "Born on the Fourth of July" this week. As the story of Ron Kovic, paralyzed when he was wounded in combat, unfolded on screen, one veteran dashed away the tears that brimmed in his eyes; another's hand reached out to grasp a buddy's shoulder. The film chronicles Kovic's progression from an all-American boyhood in a small town on Long Island, pervaded by the patriotism of his working-class, Roman Catholic parents, to enlistment in the Marine Corps, the confusion and horror of battle, and the night- marish physical and psychic suffering of a veterans' hospital. Battles of the soul and spirit lie ahead. Kovic, portrayed by Tom Cruise, is transformed, through his realization of official perfidy and indifference, into an anti-war activist. TOO LATE? "It was a film that should have been made in 1965," when it might have helped save American lives, said Tyrone Belanger of Lanesboro (MA). "It brought out a lot of points about the U.S. government that I've been saying for a long time," said Belanger, who served as a Marine in I Corps in the northernmost part of the country, in 1965-66. He works now as a mail carrier for the Postal Service in Pittsfield. "In the 1960s and early 1970s, the Vietnam War practically destroyed the country. It split families. Fathers and sons were pitted against one another," he said. "And the war was fought primarily by guys from poor and working-class families." Belanger contrasted the rippling flags and cheering crowds of the Fourth of July parades of Kovic's boyhood with the sparse turnouts of his return. Belanger voiced outrage that veterans, who served their country at the cost of injuries and anguish, have difficulty obtaining benefits and decent, competent and compassionate medical care. He was one of about a dozen, of the 19 veterans who viewed the film Monday, who gathered afterward at the Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 65 chapter house on First Street, and talked about their reactions to the film. The veterans had the theater virtually to themselves, because the winter storm Monday night kept most people at home. Jim Callahan of Pittsfield, who was an Army medic decorated for NAM VET Newsletter Page 33 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 heroism, said, "I know what Kovic felt finding the kids who had been hit by U.S. fire. I've been into villages and seen kids like that, too." In certain scenes, "I was almost crying," said Callahan. "It was scary," he said. "When he flashed back, I flashed back." Just as in the film, said Callahan, "I had to land in battle and load people on choppers. I saw what it was like. "They did a great job on the combat scenes," said Callahan, saying the confusion was accurate. "The John Wayne movies just weren't true. The enemy would come in and jump you. You never knew when. One minute it would be perfectly quiet, and the next minute all hell would break loose. People would be falling down and blowing up right next to you." "Even I sent home letters saying things about how we were going to save the country from communism, things I don't believe anymore," said Callahan. Callahan's picture, giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a mortally wounded soldier, was in newspapers and on television coast to coast. Callahan formerly worked for the city Department of Public Works and is now a toll collector for the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority. 'IT MAKES YOU MAD' "If the scenes with the rats in the Bronx VA hospital were true, every veteran ought to march on Washington," he said. "It makes you mad. Mad at the VA. Mad at the government." For chapter president George Winters, who was wounded in February 1966 in combat in I Corps, the correspondences between his experiences and background were strikingly similar. "He was from a small town. I'm from Pittsfield. He enlisted in the Marines. I enlisted in the Marines. I went along with the whole spiel. I fell for the whole deal. I went over there to save the world from communism," said Winters. Winters, who retired with the rank of sergeant, said, "I'm over 60 percent disabled, with 10 percent post-traumatic stress disorder. I have nightmares like he did. A lot of my insides are missing. "There was a grenade in the bottom of a foxhole, and just as I kicked it, it went off," he said. Shrapnel ripped apart his left ankle, shattered his leg and hip; he also had a gunshot wound in the stomach and left arm. He was one of 10 to survive out of a platoon of 30-some Marines. Winters battled hospital doctors to save his foot from amputation, just as Kovic fought to save one of his paralyzed legs. Seeing the movie was "very, very heavy," said Winters. "I could really relate to this guy." Paul Cohen of Pittsfield had seen the film two weeks ago when he traveled to New Jersey to take his two older sons, ages 18 and 15, to see it. "I wanted the movie to show them what I couldn't tell them in words," said Cohen. Six months after being sent to Vietnam, Cohen, a point man with the Marine 1st Infantry Division in the Iron Triangle northwest of Saigon, walked into an ambush and was shot from behind from 50 feet away. Hospitalized and returned to the States, he, like Kovic, found war protests and hostility. Cohen, who was hospitalized at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Northampton for treatment of NAM VET Newsletter Page 34 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 post-traumatic stress disorder, was recently accepted to the Smith College program leading to a master's degree in social work. Cohen said his background and Kovic's were eerily similar. "He was from Massapequa. I'm from Seaford, the next town over. He graduated from high school in '65, I graduated the next year, in '66. He didn't go to his prom, I didn't go to my prom. He went to Vietnam in 1967.l I went to Vietnam in 1967. He was wounded in 1968, I was wounded in 1968. "It was really a poignant movie for me. I played war in the woods when I was a kid. "That movie should be required viewing, right after guys hear the talk by the recruiting sergeant," said Cohen. "It's a shame. They make the great movies after the wars, and we don't seem to learn from them." NAM VET Newsletter Page 35 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 VIETNAM_VETS Looks at "Born on the 4th of July" Compiled from messages in the Vietnam Veterans International Echo by G. Joseph Peck Nam Vets Managing Editor VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA (413) 443-6313 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: 23 Jan 90 09:52:00 From: Gjoseph Peck To : Tom Martens Subj: born on the 4th of july > just want to ask you guys is the movie worth seeing from a > vet point of view Yo Tom!!! From the time teeny-bopper Kovics says "Wanna see how many pushups I can do" to the point where he's rememberin' the words of his mother just before he went into the Marines "I had a dream last night, Tom. Like John F. Kennedy, you were sayin' something very important to all America" - the veteran and non-veteran alike have their emotions and youthful memory-banks of hopes and dreams for the future triggered. (How many of us DON'T have recollections of Senior Proms n' dances when Pat Boone's "Moon River" is played?) There's an accuracy almost too-real when the VA hospital scenes are shown... "too-real" cause its d*mned near truth at many of the facilities. I really surprised myself when, alone, I went to see it... Theatre was dark and quiet. Near the final scenes, tapes are shown of one of Nixon's '72 speeches at the Republican convention. He's saying, in effect, "America has kept her promises to the veterans of other World Wars. I think we should continue with these newer veterans.." I guess you could say I really got into it ... Surrounded on almost all sides by at least 10 empty seats, I shouted to the screen "Ohhhhh, Bull-ll-ll-SH*T!!" (Glad it was dark in there!) I remember ex-Marine, discharged-from-the-VA-hospital Kovics being shown ALTERNATIVE ways of dealing with disabilities - his refusal to accept his plight and the treatment he'd received after comin' back from 'Nam, and his determination to DO something about it. Personally speaking, "Born on the 4th", to me, is a movie that shows the HUMAN side of war - ANY war; pits disabled veteran against non-veteran in an economic self-centered contest and has the disabled veteran, predictably so, come out the loser while the non-veteran emerges with the most "toys"; says very few POSITIVE things about the backbone that IS America - those who would not hesitate to bear arms in her defense; came close to the "Apocalypse now", "Baby Killing", drug-using stereotypical thinking and media view of the Vietnam Vet of the early '70s; and, above all, re-cements the bond that can ONLY exist between brothers and sisters in service: We're all in this together. NAM VET Newsletter Page 36 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 (Kovics, just about to be arrested at a political convention, knocked out of his wheelchair, calls for help from his comrades- in-arms. Many non-veterans I've seen would have just shrugged, given up another one to law enforcement, and searched for easy escape for themselves. NOT SO with a veteran! Kovics' brothers did not abandon him!) I came home p*ssed, Tom, REALLY p*ssed - kicked my dog, drank my wife's beer... sent my kids to bed ... ... If ever you proudly stand in military uniform and salute Old Glory; if ever a tear traces its crooked path across your face while Taps are played as they lower your friends body into the ground; and if ever you visit a veterans' hospital and see another face of the freedom so many take for granted... you, too, might be a little p*ssed at the VVAW (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) message brought out in "Born on the 4th of July" ... "For those who fought for it, FREEDOM has a taste the protected will never know." Ci'ao for Ni'ao -Joe- Origin: VetPoint 707 "VetCenter on a Floppy Disk!" (1:321/203.707) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: 25 Jan 90 14:25:00 From: Gjoseph Peck To : Tom Martens Subj: Re: Introduction > I just wanted to say hello also you have Tom Martens here > from East Rutherford nj six miles or so out of NYC I was with > the Big Red One in 67,68 and as was said before welcome and > keep the faith Yo Tom!!! Glad to have ya with us!!! Please forgive the "tone" of my reply to your "Born on the 4th of July" message askin' if it was worth seein' from a vets point of view... ESPECIALLY the end of the message (If ever...) ... Not knowin' where ya were comin' from, I responded as if I were speakin' to someone who was considerin' military service... Hell... you been there, bro' - you know what it was. You know about the things I ended my message with. Aint no need for me to tell YOU... Re: the movie: Its worth seeing - but take an understanding brother/sister veteran with you (you'll be able to help THEM, too ) - or at least someone close. If you're like me a bit, you'll probably emerge at movie's end a little p*ssed at what its told ya... Ci'ao for Ni'ao NAM VET Newsletter Page 37 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 -Joe- Origin: VetPoint 707 "VetCenter on a Floppy Disk!" (1:321/203.707) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: 24 Jan 90 14:57:00 From: Kathleen Kelly To : Gjoseph Peck Subj: Re: BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY Joe -- re "Born on the Fourth of July" -- I think the editing was a bit odd. So many minutes of the early portions, painting the background that was Kovic's formative years in All-White Small Town America (Massapequa, Long Island) in the 1950s. Kovic begins his book with the Kennedy inauguration speech (a scene shown in the movie too), and tells how it impressed him deeply when JFK told us to "Ask not what your country can do for you..." But, I thought that we all got the point in 15 minutes, and we didn't need 45 minutes of ye olde home town innocence -- especially because the last part of the film is so abruptly and choppily edited: We go from the 1972 Republican Convention (where Kovic was assaulted by the gendarmes and relieved of his wheels) to -- wham! -- 1976 where Kovic was invited to speak to the Democratic National Convention. And the film ends. We know nothing of Kovic's life after 1976, and the movie ends on a sort of high, Kovic being lauded by the Jimmy Carter Democrats. Unless we hear interviews done recently, we don't know that Kovic still feels lost, that he wandered around aimlessly for years after his book was published in 1976, and that aside from sporadic involvement in a few political efforts, he still hasn't really found what he wants to do and hasn't been able to make peace with his own past or its consequences. The most devastating part of the film was the portrait of Kovic's family -- his passive but loving father and especially his over-controlling, prim and proper Catholic mother, who was too prudish to tolerate Playboy in the house and who almost has a stroke when, back from Nam and hospital horrors, Kovic comes home drunk one night and finally releases some of the anger and grief he feels when contemplating his future. "Don't you DARE say `penis' in THIS house!" she screams, and tells him to leave the family home. Here's a portrait of *Mom* that Philip Wylie could have written: pushing the son to attain great things, burdening him with the need to satisfy HER expectations, the terrible disappointment she shows when he fails to be macho enough to win a wrestling match in high school, her complete horror when he buys soft porn or grieves because he is paralyzed and therefore impotent (although his physical and psychological wounds seem not very troubling to her at all). Several people said in 1986 that "Platoon" should be seen by every draft-age male in the country, and this Oliver Stone production should probably be seen by every PARENT of those kids in the country -- at least the *Moms*. I thought the scenes with Willem Dafoe (in Mexico) and with Kovic's hometown friend who returned from the war when Kovic did NAM VET Newsletter Page 38 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 were the most affecting and moving of the film -- they really conveyed the sense many have that only those who were there can truly understand what it meant, and only they can really care for one another. As we left the theater, one of the people I went with said, "Wow. I guess Kovic must REALLY hate his mother!" Origin: US Hands Off Central American ~No More Vietnams (1:1033/1) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: 27 Jan 90 11:58:00 From: Ray Moreau To : Kathleen Kelly Subj: BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY I felt for Kovic what he went through with Mom...as I did when first comming home after my fourth tour. I didn't really hate (which showed externally) but internally and needed the hug and holding. Years have gone by..and Mom being 83 now, left after two week visit. God how I love her..her upbringing ..very catholic..mine just a little. The 45 minutes at the beginning of the movie set the stage.. We all share opinions that's what make this country great...not all of us think alike. I am extremely happy that finally a film was made, without Jane Fonda, which shows what it was like to come home to an uncaring nation. With the love of a wonderful wife of 32 years, the strength I needed came from her and later from Mom. Yes, at first I did hate my Mom...as I said it was external in appearance. Geez, rambling on....CUL and keep the faith. Ray "Frenchy" Moreau USN (Ret)....but not from life. Origin: HBX/EDS VVM Memorial Name Search Point (TComm 1:109/316.1) NAM VET Newsletter Page 39 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 ================================================================= V e t e r a n B e n e f i t s & I n f o ================================================================= KEVIN DOBSON TO LEAD VA NATIONAL SALUTE Input by: Jim Hildwine NAM VETs Federal Benefits Section Editor VetPoint 47 - FidoNet 1:321/203.47 Shady Side, Md January 29, 1990 Kevin Dobson, star of TV's "Knots Landing," will serve again this year as national chairman of the annual Department of Veterans Affairs National Salute to Hospitalized Veterans. Held during the week of Valentine's Day, the Salute encourages the public to visit hospitalized veterans, remember their sacrifices and honor their service. VA's 85.000 volunteers host visits by dignitaries, students and citizens to 172 VA hospitals across the country. "Few people have been as effective as Kevin in focusing public attention on our hospitalized veterans," said VA Secretary Edward J. Derwinski in announcing Dobson's appointment. "He visited over a dozen VA medical centers as our 1989 chairman, highlighted VA volunteer opportunities during appearances on national television and even included reference to volunteering at VA hospitals in his television series." Dobson came into national prominence as a police detective Bobby Crocker in the long running "Kojak" television series. Next month (Feb 3) he recreates the Crocker role in a new Kojak television movie. An Army veteran, Dobson will serve as national spokesman for VA Voluntary Service and other veterans programs throughout 1990. He was recognized for his public service work in behalf of hospitalized veterans last year by President Bush during a White House visit. "The more VA hospitals I visit and the more hospitalized veterans I meet, the more I want to encourage people to recognize their contributions and their needs," Dobson said. "it's an honor to be part of the VA team." Organizations and individuals interested in participating in the 1990 National Salute to Hospitalized Veterans, Feb. 11-17, should contact the Voluntary Service of their nearest VA medical facility. Federal Benefits? Ask me!!! - Jim - NAM VET Newsletter Page 40 Volume 4, Number 2 February 13, 1990 THE FOLLOWING ARE REPRESENTATIVE QUESTIONS ANSWERED DAILY BY VA COUNSELORS. FULL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AT ANY VA OFFICE. Input by: Jim Hildwine NAM VETs Federal Benefits Section Editor VetPoint 47 - FidoNet 1:321/203.47 Shady Side, Md Q. Can a female veteran claim her husband as dependent? A. Yes. When receiving compensation, pension or education benefits from VA, a female veteran may claim her husband as a dependent. Q. I just got married. Does my husband automatically become the beneficiary of my VA insurance policy? A. No. You must notify VA that you wish to make a change and provide complete identification of the new beneficiary. Q. Can I use my VA-Guaranteed home loan to buy land I plan to build a house on in the future? A. A VA guaranteed loan cannot be used to buy undeveloped lan