Subject: WWII-L Digest - 4 Apr 1993 to 5 Apr 1993

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There are 19 messages totalling 819 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Yugoslav weapons (3)
  2. 88mm
  3. Yugoslav weapoWEAP:Yugoslav weapons
  4. Mosquitoes
  5. WEAP: Jewish 109's, etc. (was: WEAP: Yugoslav weapons) (3)
  6. WEAP in Yugo-land (3)
  7. WEAP:  RE: Israeli Messerschmitts
  8. bye
  9. <No subject given>
 10. Hitler's Art Thefts-(The Jackdaw of Linz)
 11. german labor stats
 12. UPdated INDEX of byrd.mu.wvnet.edu
 13. bonjour

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:50:02 WETDST
From:    Arnaud Bouis <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Yugoslav weapons

>
> >
> >I remember hearing and reading that Yugoslavia stashed away everything they
> >could gather up after WW2. and in the 50's & 60's while they played the west
> >against the east they stockpiled everything both sides would ship them. The
> >idea was to have so many arms stashed in so many places that no one would
> >even think about invading them and getting bogged down like the Germans did.
> ...

Yes, a guerilla policy which several countries have rejected as
the risk of keeping huge dumps of arms ready to arm civilians was
deemed too great in case of civil troubles.
And indeed oday Yugoslavia is showing us the dire consequences of
that policy. "Irregular" wars are very dirty wars.

>  I've read that the Yugoslavs sold Me-109's to the Israelis in 1948.  They
> took them to Israel in Gooney Birds, one plane for the fuselage and one for
> the wings.  A Connie could carry an entire fighter in one trip.
>  I wonder what Adolph would have thought if he had known one of his best
> fighters would sport the Star of David fifteen years after the establishment
> of the 1000 year Reich?
>
> > Arnaud I hope you get this and find a way to get back on the net soon.
> >You've been missed.
>
> Oui! find a route back to our table soon!
>
> > Bob Smart ([email-masked])
> >
> Larry J
>

Thank you a lot, I've been missing the list and its members as well.
But I am finishing my army time, and shall work soon (anyone's got room
for a computer engineer in the depressed US employment market ?).
The school board recently decided to delete all the ex-students accounts,
which includes mine, so this is the last day I am on this thing.
        The French army and its utter stupidity did not disgust me
with WWII study however, and I keep being an involved military history
enthusiast and wargamer.

Arnaud Bouis

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 06:11:42 EDT
From:    Lowe Barrett MAJ <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: 88mm

Bob Smart,

Ref:  88mm PAK seen on TV being used by Serbian troops.

It's very interesting to see just how much WWII stuff the Yugos
did stash away and are continuing to use.  About 3 months ago
Jane's Defense Weekly had a photo of an M36 Jackson US Tank Destroyer
painted in Croatian colors.  I've also seen many MG42's, MP40's,
and Kar 98k rifles.  Keep your eyes open, who knows what else you
will see.

Trivia note:  When Sam Peckinpah filmed "The Cross of Iron" (with
James Coburn, James Mason, Maximilian Schell), he filmed it in
Yugoslavia because they still had a lot of working WWII Russian
and German equipment.

Barry

Barrett F. Lowe                    RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
MAJ, IN
Dept of Physics, US Military Academy, West Point, NY 10996

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 12:48:14 WETDST
From:    Arnaud Bouis <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Yugoslav weapoWEAP:Yugoslav weapons

>
> >
> >I remember hearing and reading that Yugoslavia stashed away everything they
> >could gather up after WW2. and in the 50's & 60's while they played the west
> >against the east they stockpiled everything both sides would ship them. The
> >idea was to have so many arms stashed in so many places that no one would
> >even think about invading them and getting bogged down like the Germans did.
> ...
>
>  I've read that the Yugoslavs sold Me-109's to the Israelis in 1948.  They
> took them to Israel in Gooney Birds, one plane for the fuselage and one for
> the wings.  A Connie could carry an entire fighter in one trip.
>
>  I wonder what Adolph would have thought if he had known one of his best
> fighters would sport the Star of David fifteen years after the establishment
> of the 1000 year Reich?

And Britain sold (gave ?) Spitfires to the Egyptians. Which gave an interesting
situation in the middle-east skies in 1948, when an Egyptian strike erroneously
hit a British airfield, killing Britons. The RAF retaliated and British
Tempests shot scores of (outdated Mk IX) Spits ! Tempest vs Spits and
Jewish Me109's...bring me my drugs !
Also of note: Kurt tank, the Focke-Wulf designer, worked for the Egyptians.

There's an excellent book about all this written by a British adventurer
who left the RAF for the IAF (he was a NON-jew). He flew those clandestine
cargo missions to Israel first, then as a fighter pilot.
. Ahh...mindholes ! what's the name ?

Arnaud.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 09:24:26 +0100
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Yugoslav weapons

> >
> >I remember hearing and reading that Yugoslavia stashed away everything they
> >could gather up after WW2. and in the 50's & 60's while they played the west
> >against the east they stockpiled everything both sides would ship them. The
> >idea was to have so many arms stashed in so many places that no one would
> >even think about invading them and getting bogged down like the Germans did.
> ...
>
>  I've read that the Yugoslavs sold Me-109's to the Israelis in 1948.  They
> took them to Israel in Gooney Birds, one plane for the fuselage and one for
> the wings.  A Connie could carry an entire fighter in one trip.

If I remember the old profile series on the ME-109 correctly the ones the
Israelis got were Jumo engined ME's from Czechoslovakia ( Built by Avia?)
The Jumo engine had a lot of torque and was not really suited for the airframe.

I also remember seeing a few photos and some reports of the Syrians using
Pzkw IVs as 'pillboxes' during the '67 war.

Bob Smart ([email-masked])

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 09:54:00 EST
From:    "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Mosquitoes

If you are into scenes that will break your heart....

Near the end of the Academy Award winning BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES there
is a scene where Dana Andrews is in a WWII wrecking yard where B-17's
and P-39's are being broken apart.  Hard to watch.

Many B-17's met their end at what is now Walnut Ridge Airport in
northeast Arkansas (ARG).  The FBO there used to have pictures on
the wall of the birds parked end-to-end right after WWII.

Then there are the stories of aircraft still in crates being
buried on Guam.

N93774

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 09:46:05 CDT
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: Jewish 109's, etc. (was: WEAP: Yugoslav weapons)

> >  I've read that the Yugoslavs sold Me-109's to the Israelis in 1948.  They
> > took them to Israel in Gooney Birds, one plane for the fuselage and one for
> > the wings.  A Connie could carry an entire fighter in one trip.
> >
> >  I wonder what Adolph would have thought if he had known one of his best
> > fighters would sport the Star of David fifteen years after the establishment
> > of the 1000 year Reich?
>
>
> And Britain sold (gave ?) Spitfires to the Egyptians. Which gave an interesting
> situation in the middle-east skies in 1948, when an Egyptian strike erroneously
> hit a British airfield, killing Britons. The RAF retaliated and British
> Tempests shot scores of (outdated Mk IX) Spits ! Tempest vs Spits and
> Jewish Me109's...bring me my drugs !

And the first fully operational U.S. jet squadron was equipped with
Me-262's.

The immediate post-war years were a time of complete confusion.  :-)

--
Robert J. Granvin                                    Southern Minnesota Wing
[email-masked]                                       Confederate Air Force
  You know you've made a gear-up landing when it takes full power to taxi.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 11:21:15 +0100
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Yugoslav weapons

>
> Thank you a lot, I've been missing the list and its members as well.
> But I am finishing my army time, and shall work soon (anyone's got room
> for a computer engineer in the depressed US employment market ?).
> The school board recently decided to delete all the ex-students accounts,
> which includes mine, so this is the last day I am on this thing.
>         The French army and its utter stupidity did not disgust me
> with WWII study however, and I keep being an involved military history
> enthusiast and wargamer.
>
>
> Arnaud Bouis

Arnaud,

What does your resume look like?  Is there any Ada in it? I know we are setting
up a European Support Office in France.  We currently have a sales office there.
I know they are setting up network access now ( Through INRIA?) I dn't know
what the status is on hiring for the 'techies' but would be glad to try and
help.

Stay in touch

-- Bob Smart               Net - [email-masked]
   Verdix Corp.            Fax - (703) 318-9304
   205 Van Buren           Phone - (703) 318-5808
   Herndon, Va 22070

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:24:49 CDT
From:    Lee Short <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: Jewish 109's, etc. (was: WEAP: Yugoslav weapons)

>And the first fully operational U.S. jet squadron was equipped with
>Me-262's.

Really?  When?  Didn't the P-80 see service *just* after the war
finished?

And what did they do for spare parts?  Just run off existing stocks?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Lee

Lee Short   [email-masked]         Attlee reminds me of nothing so much as
Software Janitor                 a recently dead fish, before it has had
Hughes Training, Inc.            time to stiffen.
Minneapolis, MN                    --  George Orwell

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 11:25:52 EDT
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: WEAP in Yugo-land

    I have seen pictures of Yugos with M1 Thompsons, M-2 .50 cal. HMG's,
MP-40's, a Sherman tank, a recovery vehicle on a Sherman type chassis,
and a Sten gun.
    One of thge standard Yugo issue GPMG's was (is?) the M-52, basically an
MG-42 with a rate reducing bolt and an anti-bounce device to prevent ignition w
ith the bolt out of battery, which makes them blow up(this has happened to many
MG-34 and 42 owners in the USA) It is in 8mm Mauser, about an 850 rpm cyclic ra
te. These are probably the MG-42's on the evening news.

   As an aside, has anyone ever seen a photo of the OT-810? It is or was a
Czechoslavakian half track that looked very much like the German WWII sdkfz
151 type (I may be a little off on the German designation) I don't know if they
 have any left, or if they were left over German WWII stuff, I wonder if they h
ave any for sale?????:-)

              Tim Jackson

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:28:54 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: WEAP:  RE: Israeli Messerschmitts

After WWII, the Czech company Avia continued to build Bf 109s, which
they designated as the Avia S-199.  After they had built about 20
aircraft, the warehouse containing the Daimler Benz DB605 engines
burnt to the ground.  Avia turned to the Jumo 211 engine, producing
an aircraft that the Czech air force pilots quickly dubbed the "Mule",
due to its recalcitrant handling qualities.  Some of these aircraft
were passed on to the Israelis in 1948, who were similarly unimpressed,
removing them from service when other types became available.

I seem to recall reading of Israeli B-17s (I think they had three)
being escorted by Willi's prodigy.

On a related subject....

When Germany decided to come to Italy's aid in Greece, they planned
to attack through Yugoslavia.  When the pro-Nazi Yugoslav government
was overthrown, Hitler ordered the destruction of that country as
well.  The few Yugoslav fighters to rise to meet the 1200 or so
Luftwaffe aircraft were Bf 109E-3s, some 75 of which had been sold
to Yugoslavia, who had paid for them with iron, chromium, and
manganese ores, if I remember correctly.

Both of these incidents are summarized (from memory) from the book
"The Messerschmitt 109 at War", by Armand van Ishoven.

Dennis E. Sparks
[email-masked]
Lexington, Kentucky

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:58:54 CDT
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Jewish 109's, etc. (was: WEAP: Yugoslav weapons)

> >And the first fully operational U.S. jet squadron was equipped with
> >Me-262's.
>
> Really?  When?  Didn't the P-80 see service *just* after the war
> finished?

1945.  The P-80 was still "in the works."

> And what did they do for spare parts?  Just run off existing stocks?

Yup.  :-)

> Enquiring minds want to know.

Actually, it's very strange to see pictures of Me-262's lined up with
the German insignia obviously painted out in haste with a star and bar
placed over it.

--
Robert J. Granvin                                    Southern Minnesota Wing
[email-masked]                                       Confederate Air Force
  You know you've made a gear-up landing when it takes full power to taxi.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 12:42:16 EDT
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: WEAP in Yugo-land

>    As an aside, has anyone ever seen a photo of the OT-810? It is or was a
> Czechoslavakian half track that looked very much like the German WWII sdkfz
>151 type (I may be a little off on the German designation)

The 1981 Jane's Armored Vehicles of the World had a photo of it.  I don't
remember that exact designation; OT-something, to be sure.  The one
photographed was fitted with a recoilless rifle firing over the cab, and
ammunition storage for same.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:48:19 WETDST
From:    Arnaud Bouis <[email-masked]>
Subject: bye

Bye all,
have good, unending talks on WWII-L.

Cheers,
Arnaud.

(I'm gone)

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:53:15 EST
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: <No subject given>

WWII-L sub new Don Layton

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 18:44:00 GMT
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Hitler's Art Thefts-(The Jackdaw of Linz)

         As a student of History specialized in the Nazi-Party ideology and
esthetic, I beg your assistance to improve my studies. I am looking for the
following documents or informations :
  - Archives concerning the theft of works of art that the German National
Socialist Party had done.
  - Goering comndenation process, by Nuremberg Court : indictments     and
final sentence.
  - List of the stolen pieces of art, with description of those that  were
recuperated and those that are disappeared their authors and their owners.
  - Military Technicians and expert conclusions; Where          can be the
disappeared works of art ?
  - Archives of the Secret Allied Army about illegal activities of the SS
  - Record presented by the Allied Army about the pieces of art, at the end
of the war
  - The remaining SS archives
  - The German diplomatic correspondency about the pieces of art
  - The official "dossier" from Nuremberg Court ( Conclusions )
                          Thanks,
                            Paulo H.F. Todaro
                Fluminense Federal University / BRAZIL

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 17:56:32 EST
From:    BFAA000 <[email-masked]>
Subject: german labor stats

To say the least German labour stats are not easy to come by. In my expe
rience (I wrote my Master's thesis on the German Supreme Court in the ea
rly part of the Third Reich) you have very few published works to work
with.
  But try the following: the official Statische Jahrbuch, and the
Zentralblatt fuer das Deutsche Reich.
  Published secondary works which may be of assistance include Jane
Caplan's "Government without administration. State and Civil Service in
Weimar and Nazi germany", Lothar Gruchmann's "Justiz im Dritten Reich 19
33-1940", and Hubert Schorn's "Der Richter im Dritten Reich."
       Hope this is of some help,
         Ken Reynolds, Ph.D.2
          McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:57:00 -0400
From:    "Michael J. McCarthy" <[email-masked]>
Subject: UPdated INDEX of byrd.mu.wvnet.edu

RECENT ARRIVALS:

        Many and continued thanks to Larry Jewell for his contributions to this
FTP site.  He has now been named Honorary Manager and Major Contributor.

1.      The Combat Area Casualties File database is located in the
        pub/history/military/vietnam/kia_mia subdirectory.  To facilitate
        downloading, the database has been divided by state or US territory.
        The filenames consist of the standard post office code with an
        extension of .asc.  For example:  wv.asc for West Virginia.  Foreign
        born soldiers are listed in the file other.asc.  See the 00_REAME file
        in the subdirectory for a key to the fields.

2.      The text of two letters to Ngo Dinh Diem, one from Eisenhower on
        11/15/54 and one from Kennedy on 1/1/62, are the in file
        diem_letters.txt in the pub/history/military/vietnam subdirectory.

3.      The Text of Johnson's address to Congress on 8/24/64 and of the
        resulting Tokin Gulf Resolution are in the tonkin_gulf.txt file in
        the pub/history/military/vietnam subdirectory.

4.      The text of the State Dept. White Paper on Vietnam (2/27/65) is in
        the file white_paper.txt in the pub/history/military/vietnam dir.

5.      A listing of the publications available on WWI from the Govt.
        Printing Office is in the file gpo_wwi.txt in the pub/history/
        military/wwi subdirectory.

6.      A listing of the publications available on WWII from the Govt.
        Printing Office is in the file gpo_wwii.txt in the pub/history/
        military/wwii subdirectory.

7.      The text of Roosevelt's "Four Freedoms" speech (1/6/41) is in the
        file fdr_4_freedoms.txt in the pub/history/military/wwii directory.

8.      The text of the Yalta Conference Agreement is in the file
        yalta_conf.txt in the pub/history/military/wwii directory.

        Below is the complete catalog of files under pub/history at
byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152).  If you have any questions or care to make
any contributions, please contact me or leave your submission (with an
explanation, if necessary) in the pub/history/submissions subdirectory.

-------------
Mike McCarthy
Marshall Univ. History Dept.
Huntington, WV 25755, USA
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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Managers:
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UPDATE: 5 April 1993

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history:
INDEX               Index of files and directories on
                    byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (this file)
diplomatic          Subdir: diplomatic history
ethnic              Subdir: ethnicity history
general             Subdir: history as a discipline & profession
instruction         Subdir: teaching history (syllabi, exams,
                    etc)
internet            Subdir: use of internet in research
marshall            Subdir: files specific to Marshall Univ.
                    History Dept.
military            Subdir: military history
political           Subdir: political / government
submissions         Subdir: submissions from anonymous ftp users
                    (write access to all anonymous ftp)
utilities           Subdir: utility programs (pkunzip, uudecode,
                    cshow, etc.)
women               Subdir: women's history

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/diplomatic:
united_states       Subdir: US diplomatic history

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/diplomatic/united_states:
1921-1939           Subdir: Period 1921-1939 (interwar years)
greenville.txt      Text of Treaty of Greenville (1795)
monroe-doctrine.txt Text of Monroe Doctrine
neutral_procl.txt   Text of Neutrality Proclamation (1793)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/diplomatic/united_states/1921-1939:
hemi_def.txt        Text of Dept. of State Bulletin on Hemisphere
                    Defense, 8/18/40
lend-lease.act      Text of Lend Lease Act (1941)
neutrality.act_37   Text of Neutrality Act (1937)
neutrality.act_39   Text of Neutrality Act (1939)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/ethnic:
african-american    Subdir: African-American history
native-american     Subdir: Native-American history

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/ethnic/african-american:
emanc_procl.txt     Text of Emancipation Proclamation (1862)

i-have-a-dream.txt  Test of King's "I Have a Dream" speech (1963)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/ethnic/native-american:
greenville.txt      Text of Treaty of Greenville (1795)
iroquois_const.txt  Text of Iroquois Constitution
iroquois_readme.txt Commentary to accompany Iroqouis Const.

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/general:
chair_newsletter    Subdir: issues of Dept. Chair Newsletter, M.
                    Galgano, ed.
dept_ranks.txt      US News detailed ranking of History Ph.D.
                    depts

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/general/chair_newsletter:
issue31.txt         Text of issue 31

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/instruction:
exams               Subdir: sample history exams
mu_hst500           Subdir: for use by Marshall's methods course
syllabi             Subdir: sample history course syllabi

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/instruction/exams:
us_survey2a.exm     US Survey II (Since 1877) exam (McCarthy)
us_survey2b.exm     US Survey II (Since 1877) exam (McCarthy)
us_survey2c.exm     US Survey II (Since 1877) exam (McCarthy)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/instruction/syllabi:
amer_rev.syl        American Revolution syllabus (Spindel)
marshall            Subdir: Current Marshall Univ. courses
us_legal.syl        United States Legal History syllabus
                    (Spindel)
us_survey1a.syl     US Survey I (To 1877) syllabus (Spindel)
us_survey2a.syl     US Survey II (Since 1877) syllabus (McCarthy)
us_survey2b.syl     US Survey II (Since 1877) syllabus (McCarthy)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/internet:
h-net.lists         BITNET lists of interest to historians
history.network     Charter of History Network
history_ftp         Subdir: FTP sites of interest to historians
inet.services       Catalog of special internet services (Archie,
                    Baseball scores, CARL, etc.)
internet.faq1       Frequently Asked Questions about internet
                    (#1)
internet.faq2       Frequently Asked Questions about internet
                    (#2)
libraries           Subdir: Addresses of TELNET accessible
                    libraries (US & UK)
listserv.database   Instructions for LISTSERVER database searches
whatis.internet     Description of internet and its uses

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/internet/history_ftp:
byrd.catalog        BYRD archive at Marshall Univ.
                    (byrd.mu.wvnet.edu; "cd pub/history")
cpet.catalog        Catalog of Projects in Electronic Text
                    archive at Georgetown Univ.
                    (guvax.georgetown.edu; "cd
                    CPET_PROJECTS_IN_ELECTRONIC_TEXT")
gheta.catalog       Groningen Historical Electronic Text Archive
                    at the Univ. of Groningen (tyr.let.rug.nl;
                    "cd pub/gheta")
malin.catalog       MALIN archive at Univ. Kansas
                    (kuhub.cc.ukans.edu; "cd dua9:[MALIN]")
ra.catalog          RA archive at Mississippi State University
                    (ra.msstate.edu; "cd pub/docs/history")
rutgers.catalog     US Army Air Force archive at Rutgers
                    (ftp.rutgers.edu; "cd pub/wwii/usaf")
sunsite.catalog     Sunsite at Univ. North Carolina
                    (sunsite.unc.edu; "cd pub/academic")

*DIRECOTORY OF pub/history/internet/libraries:
library.catalog     Catalog of US (and some international)
                    TELNET-accessible libraries
uk-libs.catalog     Catalog of TELNET-accessible libraries in the
                    United Kingdom

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military:
am_revolution       Subdir: American revolution
vietnam             Subdir: Vietnam War
wwi                 Subdir: World War I
wwii                Subdir: World War II

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/am_revolution:
decl_arms.txt       Text of Declaration of Arms (1775)
paris_1783.txt      Text of Treaty of Paris (1783)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/vietnam:
diem_letters.txt    Letters to Ngo Dinh Diem from Eisenhower
                    (11/15/54) and Kennedy (1/1/62)
kia_mia             Subdir: Combat Area Casualties File Database
pow_mia             Subdir: POW/MIA files
tonkin_gulf.txt     Text of LBJ's Speech to Congress and Tonkin
                    Gulf Resolution
vets_against.txt    Senate Testimony of John Kerry, Vietnam Vets
                    Against the War, 4/23/71
white_paper.txt     Text of Dept. of State White Paper on Vietnam
                    (2/27/65)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/vietnam/kia_mia:
00_README           Key to database fields
(other files)       The rest of the directory consists of the
                    files from the Combat Area Casualties File for
                    the Vietnam War.  The files are divided by
                    state or US territory to facilitate
                    downloading.  Standard post office
                    abbreviations are used for the filenames (ex:
                    wv.asc or oh.asc).

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/vietnam/pow_mia:
00_README           File index for POW/MIA files
(other files)       The rest of the directory consists of the
                    Senate POW/MIA report, divided into ASCII
                    files of less than 64k each.  Assemble each
                    file in the order they appear in this
                    directory for the entire report.  See
                    00_README for individual descriptions of each
                    file.

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/wwi:
aefplan.biblio      Bibliography on US military planning for WWI
                    (from AEFplan.txt, McCarthy)
aefplan.txt         MA Thesis on US military planning for WWI
                    (includes bibliography, McCarthy)
chronology.txt      Chronology of WWI (emphasis on US military
                    planning)
gpo_wwi.txt         Publications on WWI available from the US
                    Govt. Printing Office
wilson_c-in-c.art   Paper from Mid-America History Conference,
                    9/92, on Woodrow Wilson as Commander-in-Chief
                    (McCarthy)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/wwii:
atlantic_char.txt   Text of the Atlantic Charter
cairo_conf.txt      Text of Cairo Conference Agreement
casablanca_conf.txt Text of Casablanca Conference Agreement
fdr_4_freedoms.txt  Text of Roosevelt's "4 Freedoms" speech
                    (1/6/41)
fdr_8_dec.txt       Text of Roosevelt's speech on 12/8/41 ("date
                    which will live in infamy")
ger_surrender.txt   Text of German surrender
gpo_wwii.txt        Publications on WWII available from the US
                    Govt. Printing Office
jap_surrender.txt   Text of Japanese surrender
moscow_conf.txt     Text of Moscow Conference Agreement
north_africa.txt    Text of Roosevelt's Statement on North Africa
                    Policy on 11/17/42
peace_our_time.txt  Text of Chamberlain's speech on 9/30/39
                    ("peace in our time")
us_dec_germany.txt  Text of US declaration of war on Germany
us_dec_japan.txt    Text of US declaration of war on Japan
usaaf               Subdir: Chronologies of USAAF in WWII
yalta_conf.txt      Text of Yalta Conference Agreement

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/military/wwii/usaaf:
dec_42.txt          USAAF chronology for December 1942
feb_43.txt          USAAF chronology for February 1943
jan_43.txt          USAAF chronology for January 1943

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political:
france              Subdir: France
macedonia           Subdir: Republic of Macedonia
united_kingdom      Subdir: United Kingdom
united_states       Subdir: United States of America

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/france:
rights-of-man.txt   Text of Declaration of Rights of Man (1789)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/macedonia:
macedonia.const     Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united-kingdom:
magna-carta.txt     Text of Magna Carta

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states:
17th_century        Subdir: 17th Century
18th_century        Subdir: 18th Century
19th_century        Subdir: 19th Century
20th_century        Subdir: 20th Century
presidency          Subdir: The US Presidency (inaugrals, etc)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states/17th_century:
fund_ord_1639.txt   Text of Fundamental Orders (1639)
mayflower.txt       Text of Mayflower Compact (1620)
thanksgiving.txt    Text of First Thanksgiving Proclamation (1676)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states/18th_century:
annapolis.txt       Text of Annapolis Convention (1786)
art_confed.txt      Text of Articles of Confederation (1777, 1781)
bill_rights.txt     Text of Bill of Rights
charlotte.txt       Text of Charlotte Town Resolves (1775)
const_amends.txt
const_trans.txt     Text of Transmittal of Constitution (1787)
constitution.txt
cont_cong_res.txt   Text of Continental Congress Resolves (1777)
decl_indep.txt      Text of Declaration of Independence (1776)
nw_ord.txt          Text of Northwest Ordinance (1787)
va_decl_right.txt   Text of Virginia Declaration of Rights (1776)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states/19th_century:
emanc_procl.txt     Text of Emancipation Proclamation (1862)
gettysburg.txt      Text of Gettysburg Address

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states/20th_century:
warpowers.act       Text of Warpowers Act (1973)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/political/united_states/presidency:
angelou_poem.txt    Text of Maya Angelou's Poem at Clinton's
                    Inaugural, 1993
jefferson.inaug     Text of Jefferson's Inaugural Address
lincoln.inaug       Text of Lincoln's Inaugural Address
washington.farewell Text of Washington's Farewell Address

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/utilities:
cshw833.zip         BINARY: CShow (.GIF graphics file viewer,
                    DOS)
pkpak.exe           BINARY: File compressor (.ARC files, DOS)
pkunpak.exe         BINARY: File decompressor (.ARC files, DOS)
pkunzip.exe         BINARY: File decompressor (.ZIP files, DOS)
pkzip.exe           BINARY: File compressor (.ZIP files, DOS)
uudecode.exe        BINARY: File ASCII encoder (.UUE files, DOS)
uuencode.exe        BINARY: File ASCII decoder (.UUE files, DOS)

*DIRECTORY OF pub/history/women:
tx_womens_univ.txt  Information on Texas Women's University
                    Library Newsletter, DATA ENTRIES, available
                    electronically

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 18:49:40 CST
From:    "[email-masked]. --Scherrer,
         Tim A." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: bonjour

An 88mm in Bosnia------DAMN THE TORPEDOES (OR LANDMINES), FULL SPEED
AHEAD FOR SREBENICA!!!!   I recently saw a photo of a T-34/85

BTW, do any of you think that if any peacemaking/keeping force is
created in Bosnia that the Germans could participate without a furor
within Bosnia?  Or could any peacemaking/keeping force be created in
Bosnia without creating a furor?  (Sorry this is a bit off the topic,
but it is an interesting question)

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*  Tim A. Scherrer          "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of   *
*  Facilities Supervisor     your life", Ron Scherrer, 1971            *
*  WP:816-785-5253                                                     *
*  HP:816-665-6704                                                     *
*  ID# [email-masked]                             *
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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:18:18 CST
From:    "[email-masked]. --Scherrer,
         Tim A." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP in Yugo-land

Several of my friends a couple of years ago were looking at buying a
OT-810.  It looks like a Sdkz 251 except the beack is kinda wierd, and
the front end is longer.  Some reenactors up the the Minnesota quad
cities area have a 251--and it might be a OT-810.  They bring it out to
play at Ft McCoy events.  I think they had to re-engine the thing, but
I'm going on second hand info.

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*  Tim A. Scherrer          "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of   *
*  Facilities Supervisor     your life", Ron Scherrer, 1971            *
*  WP:816-785-5253                                                     *
*  HP:816-665-6704                                                     *
*  ID# [email-masked]                             *
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