Subject: WWII-L Digest - 6 Apr 1993 to 7 Apr 1993

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There are 32 messages totalling 2458 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. WEAP:  RE: Israeli Messerschmitts
  2. INFO: Italian Navy: Taranto and Cape Teulada
  3. USAAF 2 APR 43 (4)
  4. USAAF 7 APR 43
  5. USAAF 3 APR 43
  6. OA-10 & LB-30
  7. subscribe-me
  8. Flying Insects and Submersibles (15)
  9. Submarines (3)
 10. U505
 11. Naval Museum List
 12. WWII HRS Calender
 13. Italian Fleet Disposition

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1993 20:39:09 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: WEAP:  RE: Israeli Messerschmitts

Now we hit home; I've been buying what materials I can on the early years of the IAF.  I'm also tryint to put together a 1:48 scale air force of historic planesin Israeli livery.  Anyway, Dennis Sparks is the winner of today's "Where did
those ME-109s come From?" contest.  The problem with the Jumo powered AVIAs was
torque...too much of it.  Half the planes that the Israelis brought from Czech.
groundlooped before they could fight.  As soon as the IAF could, it converted
to Spitfire Mk IXs, P-51s, and Mosquitos (voracious buggers, no?).  The IAF had
three B-17s that made a bombing run on Cairo, but later on were used primarily
for cargo.  They were phased out in the mid-1950s.  One of the best stories
about the young IAF concerned the clandestine purchase of 3-4 Connies, outfitted
and regiestered as Panamanian airliners, and flown in violation of the US embargo to Italy and Czechoslovakia for arms.  Later on they helped form EL AL.

                                        Richard Kaplan
                                        [email-masked]

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1993 16:20:49 -0400
From:    "M. Joseph Barone" <[email-masked]>
Subject: INFO: Italian Navy: Taranto and Cape Teulada

        On the night of November 11, 1940, the British carried out a
daring and well-planned attack on the Italian fleet anchorage at Taranto.
Taranto is located in Southeast Italy, on the western side of the "heel"
of the Italian boot, on the Gulf of Taranto on the Ionian Sea.  All six
of the Italian battleships of the 5th and 9th Divisions were in port on
the night of the attack.  The new British armored carrier, "Illustrious",
approached undetected to within 170 miles of the base and launched two
strikes of torpedo-carrying Swordfish aircraft, some of which were from
the complement of "Eagle".

        At 11:14 PM, the 12.6-inch gun battleship, "Conte di Cavour"
was hit by one torpedo in her port bow between her number 1 and 2 turrets.
A minute later, the battleship, "Caio Duilio" was hit by a torpedo in her
starboard bow just behind her number 1 turret.  At the same time, the
15-inch gun battleship, "Littorio", was hit by three torpedoes: two in
her starboard bow and one in her port stern.  The British used flares to
illuminate the harbor and only two of the twenty-one aircraft were shot
down, both to anti-aircraft fire.

        "Littorio" and "Duilio" were moored in shallow water and were
run aground, down by the bows, to prevent their sinking.  "Cavour",
however, was moored in deeper water and the decision to run her aground
was made too late.  She listed to starboard and sank with only her
superstructure and main turrets above water.

        The next day, the undamaged ships, "Guilio Cesare", "Vittorio
Veneto", and "Andrea Doria" (which was still not fully operational),
were transferred to Naples while Taranto's defenses were upgraded.

        Salvage operations began immediately on the damaged ships.
"Littorio" and "Duilio" had held up relatively well and refloating
them was not particularly difficult and was accomplished within a
month.  "Littorio" would be fully repaired in a little over 4 months
and "Duilio" in 6 months.  "Cavour", however, suffered far more damage
and required a significant amount of lightening before she could be
raised.  In fact, "Cavour" would never see action again and was still
undergoing repairs in Trieste at the time of the armistice.

        Despite the losses at Taranto, the Italian Navy still had the
material wherewithal and desire to bring the British forces to combat.
This was demonstrated on November 27, 1940, when the encounter off Cape
Teulada (known by the British as the Battle of Spartivento) occurred.

        Concluding that the Italian losses at Taranto precluded
intervention, the British planned to run a convoy across the
Mediterranean.  On November 17, British reconnaissance sighted
Italian units at sea, alerting the Royal Navy that battleships
were still operational.  It was decided that the planned convoy
required a heavy escort, and Force H, including the battlecruiser,
"Renown, and the carrier, "Ark Royal", was to cover the convoy to
a point southwest of Sardinia.  Units of the Mediterranean Fleet,
including the battleship, "Ramilles", would then join the escort
and upon reaching Cape Bon, Force H would retire.

        On November 26, the Italian Fleet sailed, after being alerted
of British activity.  It was made up of "Veneto", "Cesare", six heavy
cruisers and 14 destroyers.  British forces, except for the presence of
the carrier, were nearly equal to this.  The Italian force was ordered
to the southwest of Sardinia on the morning of November 27.

        Admiral Campioni's freedom of movement was greatly limited by
orders from Supermarina (Regia Marina HQ) that he was not to engage the
enemy and risk his battleships, except under favorable conditions.  This
caution, after the events of Taranto, is understandable; however, Admiral
Campioni acted with excessive prudence.

        Due to poor reconnaissance information, the admiral concluded
that he was outnumbered and sought to avoid contact with the British,
though they were in close proximity.  However, Italian and British
cruisers sighted each other at great range.  The Italians fired with
great accuracy and the cruiser, "Berwick", was hit almost immediately.
In return the Italian destroyer, "Lanciere", was damaged by the British.
Admiral Campioni was still convinced of the need to withdraw while the
British cruisers tried to press home the attack.  Aircraft were launched
from "Ark Royal" but all of their attacks were unsuccessful.  The British
cruisers came on, but when they closed to within range of the 15-inch
guns of "Veneto", they quickly broke off the encounter.  Once again, an
inconsequential action had been fought.  The British could claim victory,
though, since the convoy had not been interdicted.

        The action again emphasized poor Italian naval-air force
cooperation.  Despite being close to Sardinia, no fighter cover was
provided to the Italian force and requested aircraft were late, just
as they had been in the Battle of Point Stilo.  The laborious Italian
chain of command required the commander at sea to request aircraft.
This request was sent to Supermarina which assessed it and then passed
it on to Superaero (Regia Aeronautica HQ) which also assessed the
situation and took what it considered to be the appropriate action.
This prevented prompt responses and robbed the commander at sea of
the support actually required.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:51:35 AEST
From:    "Wilber Williams, Prentice Centre" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: USAAF 2 APR 43

>LB-30, Consolidated Liberator
>OA-10, Consolidated Catalina

Can smoeone tell me a bit more about the designations for these aircraft?
I'm familiar with the Liberator as a B-24 and PBY-4, and the Catalina as a
PBY-5.

Thanks,
Wilber

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|Wilber WILLIAMS                            [email-masked]      |
|Prentice Centre                            Telephone : +61 7 365 4232   |
|The University of Queensland               Facsimile : +61 7 365 4477   |
|Brisbane Qld 4072  AUSTRALIA                                            |
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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 07:18:10 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: USAAF 7 APR 43

COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES
WEDNESDAY, 7 APRIL 1943
FTP SITES
  1. ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf
  2. byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152) in pub/history/military/wwii/usaaf

AIRCRAFT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
  B-24, Consolidated Liberator
  B-25, North American Mitchell
  F4F, Grumman Wildcat (USN)
  F4U, Chance Vought Corsair (USN)
  P-38, Lockheed Lightning
  P-39, Bell Airacobra
  P-40, Curtiss
  Spitfire, Vickers Supermarine
  Wellington, Vickers (RAF)

AMERICAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Eleventh Air Force)
  In the Aleutians, the reconnaissance airplane aborts shortly after
takeoff due to weather.

CHINA-BURMA-INDIA THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  BURMA AND INDIA (Tenth Air Force)
    In Burma, 2 B-25's temporarily knock out a bridge on the Ye-u railroad
branch, crossing the Mu River between Ywataung and Monywa. Eighteen B-25's,
in 2 forces, bomb the Ywataung Marshalling Yard. P-40's support ground
forces N of Shingbwiyang. Six B-24's bomb Japanese HQ at Toungoo.

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN (Ninth Air Force)
    In Sicily, B-24's attack Palermo harbor.
    In Tunisia, B-25's bomb retreating columns which are being pursued N of
Oued el Akarit by the the British Eighth Army's 30 and 10 Corps. Fighters
carry out bombing and strafing operations the battle area.

  WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN (Northwest African Air Force)
    In Tunisia, Northwest African Strategic Air Force (NASAF) Wellingtons
attack Tunis and the Jabal al Jallud Marshalling Yard. Weather cancels all
other NASAF missions except for 2 reconnaissance sorties. All available
airplanes of the XII Air Support Command and Western Desert Air Force
(WDAF) hit ground forces which are retreating in all sectors. Fighters fly
sweeps over Medjez el Bab (claiming 3 fighters downed), a scramble mission
NW of Oued Zarga (5 fighters are claimed destroyed), and over 100 other
sorties (no encounters). Highway and motor transport are bombed between
Sfax and Sousse. Light and medium bombers, and fighter-bombers attack
concentrations N of the Oued el Akarit line. Units of the US II Corps make
contact with the British Eighth Army on the Gabes-Gafsa road.
    HQ 31st Fighter Group and it's 307th, 308th and 309th Fighter Squadrons
with Spitfires transfer from Thelepte, Tunisia to Djilma, Tunisia.
    The 318th Fighter Squadron, 325th Fighter Group with P-40F's transfers
from Tafaraoui, Algeria to Montesquieu, Algeria.  The squadron will fly
it's first combat mission on 17 Apr 43.

SOUTH PACIFIC THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Thirteenth Air Force)
  In the Solomons, a large force of Japanese dive bombers and fighters is
reported by coast watchers to be moving down the "Slot." In its path are
a convoy off the E coast of Guadalcanal, shipping at Koli Point, and a Task
Force at Tulagi. Every operable fighter (76) on Guadalcanal is sent up, and
the bombers are moved to the SW tip of the island for safety. The air
battle takes place off the Russells, near Tulagi, and over the convoy.
USAAF P-38's and P-39's and Marine and Navy F4F's and F4U's claim 39
aircraft shot down, 13 by USAAF fighters. Allied losses total 7 fighters.

SOUTHWEST PACIFIC THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Fifth Air Force)
  In New Guinea, B-25's hit areas along the NE coast from Mur to Singor.
B-24's bomb the landing ground at Babo and town area of Fak Fak. Single
heavy bombers attack shipping and coastal targets at Lae, Salamaua,
Finschhafen and Wewak; Cape Gloucester and Kavieng in the Bismarck
Archipelago; and off Lorengau, in the Admiralty Islands.

SOURCES:
AIR FORCE COMBAT UNITS OF WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force History,
  Headquarters USAF, 1961, ISBN 0-912799-02-1
COMBAT SQUADRONS OF THE AIR FORCE, WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force
  History, Headquarters USAF 1982
THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY, 1941-1945 by the
  Office of Air Force History, Headquarters USAF, 1973
THE MIGHTY EIGHTH WAR DIARY by Roger A. Freeman, ISBN 1-85409-071-2

Jack McKillop
USAF (Airways and Air Communications Service)
1955-59

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 07:33:08 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: USAAF 3 APR 43

COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES
SATURDAY, 3 APRIL 1943
FTP SITES
  1. ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf
  2. byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152) in pub/history/military/wwii/usaaf

AIRCRAFT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
  A-20, Douglas Havoc
  B-17, Boeing Flying Fortress
  B-24, Consolidated Liberator
  B-25, North American Mitchell
  P-39, Bell Airacobra
  P-40, Curtiss

CHINA-BURMA-INDIA THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  BURMA-INDIA (Tenth Air Force)
    In Burma, 17 B-25's, operating in 2 forces, bomb the Myitnge bridge,
scoring hits on both approaches.

EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force)
  HQ, 78th Fighter Group transfers from Goxhill, England to Duxford,
England.

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN (Ninth Air Force)
    In Tunisia, B-25's the bomb Sfax-El Maou area during the night of 2/3
Apr. P-40's fly fighter-bomber missions N of Gabes.
    HQ, 12th Bombardment Group (Medium) and it's 434th Bombardment Squadron
(Medium) with B-25's transfer from El Assa, Libya to Medenine, Tunisia.

  WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN (Northwest African Air Force)
    Weather cancels Northwest African Strategic Air Force (NASAF)
bomber operations.
    In Tunisia, Northwest African Tactical Air Force (NATAF) fighters
strafe tanks and trucks at Kebira and Jabal Nasir Allah, and claim 14
aircraft downed in aerial combat over Djebel Berda. B-25's bomb the
airfield at Sainte-Marie du Zit. Western Desert Air Force (WDAF) light
bombers hit motor transport and gun positions N of Oued el Akarit.
    HQ, 81st Fighter Group and its 93d Fighter Squadron with P-39's
transfer from Thelepte, Tunisia to Bone, Algeria to patrol the coast of
Africa and protect Allied shipping in the Mediterranean.

SOUTHWEST PACIFIC THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Fifth Air Force)
  In New Guinea, A-20's hit Kitchen Creek while single B-24's bomb
Korindindi.
  In the Bismarck Archipelago, B-17's pound shipping and the airfield at
Kavieng while single B-24's bomb Kavieng.

SOURCES:
AIR FORCE COMBAT UNITS OF WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force History,
  Headquarters USAF, 1961, ISBN 0-912799-02-1
COMBAT SQUADRONS OF THE AIR FORCE, WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force
  History, Headquarters USAF 1982
THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY, 1941-1945 by the
  Office of Air Force History, Headquarters USAF, 1973
THE MIGHTY EIGHTH WAR DIARY by Roger A. Freeman, ISBN 1-85409-071-2

Jack McKillop
USAF (Airways and Air Communications Service)
1955-59

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 07:44:26 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: OA-10 & LB-30

Wilber Williams down in OZ asked about the LB-30 and the OA-10.
The OA-10 was the USAAF designation for the Consolidated PBY and
it's variations built by different manufacturers.  The following is
a tome I wrote on the LB-30 last year.

Please shout if you need anything else.

                   THE CONSOLIDATED LB-30 LIBERATOR

In late 1938, the US Army Air Corps (USAAC) approached Consolidated
Aircraft with a request to build the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress under
contract to provide an additional production line; in January 1939,
Consolidated suggested to the USAAC that they build a long-range bomber
superior to the B-17.  On 1 Feb 39, the USAAC issued Type Specification
C-212 to Consolidated, Martin and Sikorsky for a new heavy bomber.  Since
they only had three weeks to respond, and Consolidated already had a
mock-up, it was no surprise that Consolidated signed a contract on 30 Mar
39 for a one prototype XB-24 to be completed by 30 Dec 39.  In Apr 39,
Consolidated received an order for seven YB-24s; in Aug 39, an order for 38
B-24As was placed by the USAAC.  The prototype XB-24 made it's first flight
(17 minutes) on 29 Dec 39 at San Diego.

In April 1940, the French ordered 175 export versions, the LB-30MF (Mission
Francais), the LB-30 representing the 30th project in Consolidated's Land
Bomber project series.  With the fall of France in Jun 40, the Brits took
over 135 of the orders with the designation LB-30.  The Brits requested
that their aircraft be equipped with self-sealing fuel tanks, armor plating
and tail and dorsal power-operated turrets.  Since all of the aircraft
would have to be modified to meet these requirements, the RAF swung a deal
with the USAAC to take 26 early B-24s in exchange for 26 LB-30s.  The first
six of the 26 were YB-24s (designated LB-30As) with the addition od
de-icers but no wing slots and without self sealing tanks.  The first of
these aircraft was flown across the Atlantic in Mar 41; all six were placed
in service with the Trans-Atlantic Return Ferry Service between Prestwick,
Scotland, Newfoundland and Montreal, Quebec.  The aircraft were initially
operated by British Overseas Airways Corp (BOAC), and later by RAF Ferry
Command, to fly ferry-pilots to Canada to pick up U.S. aircraft for
delivery to the RAF.  The first flight from the UK to Canada took place on
4 May 41.

Starting in Mar 41, 20 LB-30Bs (B-24A conversions) were delivered to the
RAF as Liberator Mk Is and equipped Coastal Command's No. 120 Squadron at
Nutts Corner, County Antrim, Northern Ireland.  These aircraft were
equipped with ASV radar, six 303 caliber machine guns and a tray of four or
six 20mm cannon under the fuselage.

In May 41, the USAAC accepted the remaining YB-24s equipped with
self-sealing tanks and armor plating and, beginning in mid-1941, nine
B-24As.  The latter aircraft were used by the fledgling Ferrying Command
over the North and South Atlantic routes beginning on 1 Jul 41 and 31 Aug
41 respectively.

The next RAF aircraft was the LB-30 Liberator Mk II which was 2ft 7in
longer lengthening the aircraft to 66ft 4in.  This aircraft also had
mid-upper and tail electrical turrets, 14x303 caliber machine guns and
commercial R-1830-S3C4-G engines.  The 139 Liberator IIs were intended for
the service with the RAF in the Middle East but after Pearl Harbor, the US
Army Air Forces (USAAF) "drafted" 75 of them.  Fifteen of these aircraft,
retaining their RAF serial numbers and the designation LB-30,  were
dispatched to the Philippine Islands but they never made it.  Four
eventually reached the 7th Bombardment Group (Heavy) in Java and the first
mission flown by the USAAF LB-30s was on 17 Jan 42 when the 7th Bomb Group,
operating from Singosari Airfield, Java flew a combat mission against the
Japanese.  Another 17 LB-30s, fitted with British ASV radar and Martin top
turret, were assigned to the Sixth Air Force in the Canal Zone for shipping
patrols.  In 1944, six of these aircraft were converted to C-87 Liberator
transports.

In Alaska, the 36th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy) was equipped with six
Douglas B-18 Bolos on 7 Dec 41.  By the end of Dec, their complement of
aircraft had been supplemented by one LB-30 plus B-17s.  The squadron had
received more B-24s by Jun 42 and during 1942, was joined by the B-24
equipped 21st and 404th Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy).  LB-30s also served
in Hawaii and flew ASW patrols from Hickam Field until replaced by B-24s.
The fate of the one LB-30 in Alaska is unknown.

By the way, yesterday I said that the RAF Lightnings "drafted" by the USAAF
were P-388s.  Close but no cigar; they were designated P-322s and were used
for training in the U.S.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:39:51 +0300
From:    Ozgur Altinyay <[email-masked]>
Subject: subscribe-me

Please subscribe me to your net
altinyay@trbilun
Thanks in advance

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 08:25:33 EDT
From:    Andree Webb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Flying Insects and Submersibles

Thanks to all the nice people who responded re Mosquitoes. Maybe I shall
yet get to see one in the air.

Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up the St.
Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only heard this
from one source. Is it correct ?

Andree
(with an accent mark on the first e)

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 09:19:36 +0100
From:    Bob Smart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: USAAF 2 APR 43

> >LB-30, Consolidated Liberator

These were Liberators built to British specs the roughly corrosponded to the
early B-24 models but had a lot of detail differences.

> >OA-10, Consolidated Catalina

these were PBYs used by the Army Air Force.

>
> Can smoeone tell me a bit more about the designations for these aircraft?
> I'm familiar with the Liberator as a B-24 and PBY-4, and the Catalina as a
> PBY-5.

The PBY-4 is an earlier model of the Catalina (A twin engine parasol wing
flying boat) The Liberator was a 4 engine high wing, twin tail long or very
long range bomber.

Bob Smart ([email-masked])

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 08:20:30 CST
From:    "[email-masked]. --Scherrer,
         Tim A." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Flying Insects and Submersibles

The U-505 is located at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
It is located just off Lake Shore Drive.  It's a pretty nice tour, and
the boat is kept in pretty good shape.

BTW, a couple of my reenacting friends on one tour were able to sneak up
into the conning tower, when the tour guide wasn't looking, and got to
nose around up there.  Another time, with permission, they were able to
go topside on the boat, dressed in Kreigsmarine attire, and take photos.
They look pretty good.  I'm interested in a SHARKHUNTERS point of view
of the U-505.

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*  Tim A. Scherrer          "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of   *
*  Facilities Supervisor     your life", Ron Scherrer, 1971            *
*  WP:816-785-5253                                                     *
*  HP:816-665-6704                                                     *
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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 08:32:42 EST
From:    Larry Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

> Thanks to all the nice people who responded re Mosquitoes. Maybe I shall
> yet get to see one in the air.

> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up the St.
> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only heard this
> from one source. Is it correct ?

  U-505 is now in place at the Museum of Science and Industry, Chicago,
Illinois, USA.
  You can enter the boat and see most of it on the walking tour which
comes with taped commentary.
  The Museum also has a Stuka and a Spitfire in formation, suspended from
the ceiling.  (Safely out of reach of ex-moderators and list-owners :-).
   Naval fans will find the trip most interesting as there is large naval
exhibit adjacent to the 505.

Here's the relevant entry from "The United States Naval Chronology of World
War II":

June 4, 1944, German submarine U-505 is captured by hunter-killer group 150
miles off the coast of Rio de Oro, Africa.  Hunter-killer group (Capt. D. V.
Gallery) consists of escort carrier GUADALCANAL (CVe-60, Capt. D. V. Gallery),
and escort division (Comdr. F. S. Hall), composed of destroyer escorts
PILLSBURY (DE-133, Lt. G. W. Casselman), POPE (DE-134, Lt. Comdr. E. H.
Headland), FLAHERTY (DE-135, Lt. Comdr. M. Johnson), CHATELAIN (DE-149, Lt.
Comdr. D. S. Knox), and JENKS (DE-665, Lt. Comdr. J. F. Way).

> Andree
> (with an accent mark on the first e)

Larry J

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 08:40:12 -0500
From:    "Sidney W. Kitchel" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

Andree Webb writes:
|->
|-> Thanks to all the nice people who responded re Mosquitoes. Maybe I shall
|-> yet get to see one in the air.
|->
|-> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up the St.
|-> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only heard this
|-> from one source. Is it correct ?

        Probably your informant meant U-505, which was captured intact
in the north Atlantic near the end of WW-II. It now is on land and is
connected to the east end of the Museum of Science and Industry in
Chicago. The museum is located near the University of Chicago at 57th
and Lake Shore Drive.
                                                        --Sid
--
Sidney W. Kitchel           [email-masked], [email-masked]
Data Parallel Systems, Inc.  ============||  DPSI  ||===============
4617 E. Morningside Drive                             (812) 334-8100
Bloomington, Indiana,  47408  USA               FAX:  (812) 334-8121

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:09:40 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

The U-505 was captured by the USS Guadalcanal, a CVE, and 4 destroyers
and/or destroyer escorts off the Azores in 1944.  The captain of
the Guadalcanal, Daviel V. Gallery, had noticed that when forced to
surface or be killed, the German U-boat sailors normally surfaced
and bailed out after setting the scuttling charges.  So he got the
bright idea of launching a boarding party, the first in USN history
since we fought the Brits in the War of 1812, to board the sub and
capture her.  Sure enough, the U-505 surfaced, the crew bailed out
and a boarding party from on escorts went aboard and disabled the
charges.  She was taken under tow, initially by the Guadalcanal and
later by a tug from Bermuda, and towed to Bermuda.  We got all the
code books, charts, etc. which we used in the ASW effort against
the U-boat.

The U-505 ended up in Portsmouth Navy Yard gathering rust after the
war.  Gallery, a Chicago native, initiated an effort to get the sub
for the Museum of Science and Technology in Chicago.  He was
successful, the boat was purchased and towed down the St. Lawrence
and across the lakes to Chicago.  The hardest part was getting it
across the short land distance to the museum.  She is currently on
display and you can tour her if in Chicago.

Gallery wrote five (?) books in the 60s; one was his account of
capturing the U-505; the other four (?) were fictional accounts of
a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy and I still laugh when I think
about some of the stories.  Obviously, they must be true although
he calls them works of fiction.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:14:37 +0100
From:    Bob Smart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

> Thanks to all the nice people who responded re Mosquitoes. Maybe I shall
> yet get to see one in the air.
>
> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up the St.
> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only heard this
> from one source. Is it correct ?

U-505 was captured via a boarding party from the USS Guadalcanal and its
escorts( I think first boarders were from one of the DEs) It has been preserved
at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.  The story of the capture is
told in several of Rear Adm Daniel Gallery's books ( One was titled U-505)
Gallery was the captain of the Guadalcanal at the time of the incident and led
the preservation effort. He is from Chicago ( things starting to make sense
here :-)
>
> Andree
> (with an accent mark on the first e)

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:20:00 EDT
From:    TOBY FENWICK <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

Dear All,

        I may have missed this in the discussion of mosquitos and u-boats, but
how many mosquitos are left flying and where? The second question concerns the
De Havilland Hornet. Are there any left or left flying?

Cheers!

Toby

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:29:10 -0400
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Submarines

While discussing the U-505, I thought some of you Navy-types, especially
the ooga-ooga sailors, might want to visit a WWII fleet-type boat at
Hackensack, New Jersey.  She is moored in the Hackensack River and vets
of the sub service take you on a tour of the boat.  It has been years since
I was there and I don't remember whether they ask for admission, donations
or both.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:38:00 EST
From:    "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

Of interest is that the late Dan Gallery was a fair writer.  He wrote
some humorous anecdotes of Navy life as well as some other works.

The U-505 incident is chronicled in his TWENTY MILLION TONS UNDER
THE SEA and also in CLEAR THE DECKS.

The writing style is entertaining and informative.

I believe that the capture was the first for the navy since the
War of 1812.  It was done at great risk, as the U-boats were known
to have self-destruct devices on board.

N93774

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 14:16:49 +0100
From:    Bob Smart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

> Of interest is that the late Dan Gallery was a fair writer.  He wrote
> some humorous anecdotes of Navy life as well as some other works.
>
> The U-505 incident is chronicled in his TWENTY MILLION TONS UNDER
> THE SEA and also in CLEAR THE DECKS.

TWENTY MILLION TONS ... was re-titled U-505 in the paperback edition

>
> The writing style is entertaining and informative.
>
> I believe that the capture was the first for the navy since the
> War of 1812.  It was done at great risk, as the U-boats were known
> to have self-destruct devices on board.
>
> N93774

The fact that it was captured and not surrendered at the end of the war is one
reason it still exists. According to one of Galleries books there was a demand
from the Soviets that it be destroyed since all surrendered equipment was to be
destroyed. Gallery, and posibly others said that since it had been captured
during the war and not surrendered at the end of the war it did not fall under
the agreement.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:22:01 -0300
From:    Jay White <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

AW> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up
AW> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only hea
AW> from one source. Is it correct ?

I don't know about the St. Lawrence part (although is certainly
would be the way *I* would take a U-boat to Chicago!), but I
too have heard that there is a U-boat there.  I think the Museum
of Science & Technology (is this correct?) is the specific
address.

BTW, I also heard there was one in Europe somewhere.  These are
the only two in existence that I know of.  I would be interested
to know if there are any others.

BBTW, the Deutsches Museum in Munich has one of the first operational
subs made for Germany before the First World War.  It barely escaped
destruction along with all the other WWI iron as a result of the Ver-
sailles Treaty.

cheers,
        Jay

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 14:26:12 EDT
From:    Andree Webb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

On Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:22:01 -0300 Jay White said:
>BBTW, the Deutsches Museum in Munich has one of the first operational
>subs made for Germany before the First World War.  It barely escaped
>destruction along with all the other WWI iron as a result of the Ver-
>sailles Treaty.

I've seen it too. If I remember correctly it was for just a couple of
crew. There was one sub there like that. Pretty small.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:10:02 -0400
From:    John Riegsecker <[email-masked]>
Subject: U505

I toured the U505 as a high school student.  The most amazing thing to me
at the time was how little space anyone had.

Somewhere, and I can't remember where, I read that Admiral King was furious
at the caputure and swore all concerned to secrecy because we were reading
the German ciphers and if word of the capture got out the germans would
correctly realize we had their code books and would change them.  Does
anyone know more about that aspect?

John Riegsecker

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:45:16 -0400
From:    John Riegsecker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

>AW> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up
>AW> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only hea
>AW> from one source. Is it correct ?
>
>I don't know about the St. Lawrence part (although is certainly
>would be the way *I* would take a U-boat to Chicago!), but I
>too have heard that there is a U-boat there.  I think the Museum
>of Science & Technology (is this correct?) is the specific
>address.

When I lived in Chicago (17 years ago) it was The Museum of Science and
Industry.  A fascinating place for children of all ages.

John Riegsecker

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 09:59:43 -0400
From:    Christopher Morton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up the St.
> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only heard this
> from one source. Is it correct ?

Yes.  It's the U-505.  It's on display at the Museum of Science and Industry.
I believe it was captured by the USS Gallery (OR that was the name of the
captain of the ship that captured it).  It's a good tour.  I highly recommend
it if you're passing through Chicago.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:54:16 -0400
From:    Christopher Morton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Submarines

>
> While discussing the U-505, I thought some of you Navy-types, especially
> the ooga-ooga sailors, might want to visit a WWII fleet-type boat at
> Hackensack, New Jersey.  She is moored in the Hackensack River and vets
> of the sub service take you on a tour of the boat.  It has been years since
> I was there and I don't remember whether they ask for admission, donations
> or both.

There's one in Cleveland too, the U.S.S. Cod(?) I think.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 22:11:17 +0200
From:    Emmanuel Gustin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: USAAF 2 APR 43

> > Can smoeone tell me a bit more about the designations for these aircraft?
> > I'm familiar with the Liberator as a B-24 and PBY-4, and the Catalina as a
> > PBY-5.
>
> The PBY-4 is an earlier model of the Catalina (A twin engine parasol wing
> flying boat) The Liberator was a 4 engine high wing, twin tail long or very
> long range bomber.

He probably meant PB4Y -- Navy Liberators, or (later marks) Privateer single
tail versions.

Emmanuel Gustin

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Date:    Thu, 8 Apr 1993 08:06:59 AEST
From:    "Wilber Williams, Prentice Centre" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: USAAF 2 APR 43

Emmanuel Gustin writes -

>He probably meant PB4Y -- Navy Liberators, or (later marks) Privateer
>single tail versions.

Yes, you're perfectly right. Wrong, yet again! :-)

Wilber.

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Date:    Thu, 8 Apr 1993 08:10:06 AEST
From:    "Wilber Williams, Prentice Centre" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

Also on the subject of submarines on display ....

At the Australian War Memorial, in Canberra, Australia, there is a Japanese
mini-sub. It was one of the three that raided Sydney Harbour during WWII.
It was sunk, then later salvaged. It is in three parts, still with the
damage where the depth charges blew it apart.

Wilber.

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Wilber WILLIAMS                            [email-masked]      |
|Prentice Centre                            Telephone : +61 7 365 4232   |
|The University of Queensland               Facsimile : +61 7 365 4477   |
|Brisbane Qld 4072  AUSTRALIA                                            |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:51:45 EST
From:    Larry Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Naval Museum List

Since we're talking about museums and display pieces, I grabbed this from
sci.military.  Please send additions to the address in the From: line below.

Larry J

>From Joe Poutre <[email-masked]>

Here's the latest and greatest Official sci.military List of Naval and
Maritime Museums, compiled by me from information provided by the
following people, in no particular order:

Juan Carlos Barroux             [email-masked]
Aryk Nusbacher                  [email-masked]
John Mosbarger                  [email-masked]
[email-masked]
Knut Erik Hagen                 [email-masked]
Ed Rudnicki                     [email-masked]
[email-masked]
James Stricherz                 [email-masked]
William Bligh-Glover            [email-masked]
Bob Underdown                   [email-masked]
Thomas A. Russ                  [email-masked]
Bob McCormick                   [email-masked]
Gunter Ahrendt                  [email-masked]
Andrew Odlyzko                  [email-masked]
Rick Anderson                   "r_anderson"@nova.enet.dec.com
Al Wesolowsky                   [email-masked]
[email-masked]
Daniel Christopher Ladd         [email-masked]
Robert E Beville                [email-masked]
Chris Thompson                  [email-masked]
Mike Vevea                      [email-masked]
Our faithful moderator          [email-masked]
Mikael Borgman                  [email-masked]
Paul Tomblin                    [email-masked]
J. D. Baldwin                   [email-masked]
Randolph Bentson                [email-masked]
Robb Pryor                      [email-masked]
Richard Pierson                 [email-masked]
John J Seitz                    [email-masked]
CDR Tim Taylor, USN             [email-masked]
Silvio E. G. Melo               [email-masked]
Brent G. Newsome                [email-masked]
Bob Cromwell                    [email-masked]
Bill Gawne                      [email-masked]
Ken Rolt                        [email-masked]
Rick Anderson                   [email-masked]
Evan Gamblin                    [email-masked]
Harri Hansen                    [email-masked]
Joar Ankarstein Larsen          [email-masked]
Eric Kozowski                   [email-masked]
Gregory K. Ramsey               [email-masked]
Bill McCormick                  [email-masked]
Markku Luoto                    [email-masked]

The list is generally in the following format:

COUNTRY
State, Province, Region, etc.
City
Museum name and location
Museum phone number
Ships           Class (CV, BB, etc.), number
Highlights

As you will see, I don't have all the information for all the places,
and I am always interested in reports of visits to these places, since
it makes me feel useful, so please EMAIL any reports, additions,
corrections or updates to:

[email-masked]

I'll be sending out an updated list in about a month, to give you
time to check the list and me time to do my work.

Note: Even if you don't think you have a maritime museum nearby, check
your phone book and local tourist information source - you might be
surprised. I have listings for Iowa, Kentucky and some other internal
U.S. states, for example. If you do find one that's not on the list,
let me know.

Disclaimer:
Some information here was confirmed and/or corrected using the Sea
Classics magazine annual Naval and Maritime Museums issue and
OPSail'92, the Official Magazine of Operation Sail.
Also, be warned that this list is very long.

Here's the list:

BRASIL
Rio de Janeiro
Rio de Janeiro Naval and Oceanographic Museum
Rua Don Manuel, 15
(021) 221-7626
History of Brasilian Navy: maps, models of ships, publications and pieces
on history and oceanography.

Intinerant at Ports of Brasil
Naval Museum
Bauru           FF
British Bentick class frigate of WWII that operated on anti-submarine
patrol in South Atlantic from 1943 to 1945. Today she is an operational
museum ship based in Rio, on exhibition at principal coastal ports of Brasil.

CANADA
BRITISH COLUMBIA
Vancouver
Maritime Museum
St. Roche
RCMP vessel St. Roche transited Northwest Passage on several occasions,
including first successful Pacific - Atlantic crossing around 1920.
Look for the stuffed walrus.

NEW BRUNSWICK
St. John
New Brunswick Museum
Large collection of ships' figureheads, paintings, etc. During the late
1800s, something like a third of the wooden ships in LLoyd's Register
had been built in the St. John area.

NOVA SCOTIA
Halifax
Maritime Command Museum
Extensive information on the past and present ships of Canadian Navy,
including ensigns, colours, ships plaques, photographic archives,
uniforms, ships' logs. Just about anything relating to Canadian Navy
can be found with help from curators.

Halifax
Maritime Museum of the Atlantic
Sackville       Corvette
Details both Military and Civil Naval Transportation. Sackville is the
last surviving and actively commissioned WWII corvette.  Open for tours
all summer. Funds are currently being sought for further restoration of
the engineering spaces.
Excellent collection of small boats. Memorabilia from Mont Blanc, a
munitions ship that exploded in 1917 and wiped out downtown Halifax.
Also artifacts from Titanic - some victims were buried in Halifax.

Lunenburg
Maritime museum has some interesting sailing ships, and a
prohibition-era rumrummer.
Smith & Rhuland's yard, where both Bluenoses were built. Bluenose II
presently spends summer in Halifax.

ONTARIO
Kingston
Small museum containing traditional boats, such as St. Lawrence skiffs,
and canoes.

Ottawa
National War Museum
Sussex Drive
Highlights of all Canadian involvement in military actions, including
artifacts, equipment from WWI and WWII. Special exhibit on role of
Canadian Peace Keeping Forces around the world.

Toronto
Haida   DD
Ship saw limited service in WWII and Korea. Guns used in annual
Toronta Symphony Orchestra concert of the (what else?) 1812 Overture.

CHILE
9 Region
Talcahuano
Talcahuano Chilean Naval museum
Huascar         BB
This battleship belonged to the Peruvian Navy, but was captured by Chile
during the Pacific War (1879) during the Battle of Angamos. It is one of
the last classic ironclads afloat.  Peru is still asking for the return
of their ship.

ESTONIA
Tallinn, Pirita
Lembit         SS  (Mine laying sub)
Sub owned by Estonia, saw action under Soviet flag in WWII

FINLAND
Ahvenanmaa (Aland), Marianhamn
Pommern         Steel barque
In sailing condition.

Helsinki, Hernesaari
Russian Foxtrot-class SS
Will be open for public in spring '93. In active service until sold to
some Finnish businessmen, who are making a museum of it. In full working
order. According to one source, it will be turned into a restaurant.

Helsinki, Hylkysaari
Maritime museum
Mostly merchant history. On a island 3 km from Helsinki centrum - get
there by ferry.

Helsinki, Hylkysaari
Maritime museum
Kemi            Lightship
The last Finnish lightship.

Helsinki, Suomenlinna
Island Fortress, built 1750's. 2 km. from Helsinki Centrum, about 15 min
by ferry. One of the biggest sea-fortresses in the world, with some 2,000 guns
and 8,000 men. 20 kilometers of fortifications. Owned by Russians 1808-1917.
Some part of the islands, fortifications and guns from that time period.
Was attacked by England in the Crimean (?) war 1854. Has served also as prison.
Now 700 inhabitians living on the islands. Protected by Unesco.
There are several museums on Suomenlinna:

Vesikko         SS
Last survivor of 5 Finnish subs. Saw action 1939-40 and 1941-1944

Coastal artillery museum

Ehrensvard museum
Designer of Suomenlinna fortress. Gunnery officer, artist, ship designer.

Naval academy - need permission to visit. (Shouldn't be hard to get)
Finnish naval history 1700 - Guns, mines, machine guns, torpedo, uniforms,
Models of ships, stuff from Russian frigate St. Nikolai, sank 1790.

Kotka
Tarmo           Icebreaker
Served as a AA-ship in WWII, was hit by Russian bomber.

Kotka
Vmv 11          Patrol Motor Boat of WWII

Kotka, Varissaari
Ruotsinsalmen museo
Museum of the Ruotsinsalmi battles in 1789 & '90. Some 500 ships took part in
the Battles. In '89 Russia won, '90 Sweden-Finland won.

Turku
Sigun           Sail Barque
Floating museum. One of the few wooden sailing merchantmen in the world.

Turku
Suomen Joutsen (The Swan of Finland)
Sailing frigate, ex-school ship and sub-mothership of the navy.

FRANCE
Bayeux, France
Normandy Invasion Museum
On ring road around town, right across from the British Cemetery. Much
larger inside than it looks. Uniforms and equipment of all principles
involved. Rather complete collection of small arms, separate wing has
vehicles (including pieces of aircraft found in the the Channel in the
last few years). Labeling is all in French, but lots of the material
(newspapers, manuals, posters, signs, etc.) is in English.

Arromanche
Arromanche Museum
Just down the road from Bayeux, at the beach.  Part of floating harbor
is still there (it's *big*).  Small museum with a film, scale models
showing how it was made.

GERMANY
Bremerhaven
U-254D          Type XXI
Raised from the bottom after the war?

GREECE
Poros
Poros naval base, on island of Poros in the Aegean.
Georg Averoff           Armoured cruiser/pocket battleship
~10,000 tons, 4x10" 8x6" main armament, built in UK 1910
Check before visiting; ~13 years ago it was still an active training base,
only open Wednesday and Saturday afternoons. It is possible the base might
have been closed or the ship moved since then. Day trip from Athens.

HOLLAND
Amsterdam
National Maritime Museum (?)
Full-size replica of early 18th C Dutch East Indiaman, built from original
plans. Also two small 20th C. vessels, a minesweeper and torpedo boat(?);
not fully open as of summer '91. Large collection of ship models and
artifacts housed in old East India Company's magazine. About 1/2 mile east
of main railway station.

JAPAN
DD
Famed Russo-Japanese war veteran. See Nimitz Museum at Texas, US for
reference.

Yokahama
Mikasa          BB
Flagship of Admiral Tojo at Tsushima Straits during Russo-Japanese War.

NORWAY
Bergen  (west coast)
Haakonsvern Naval Base
Number of German WW2 minisubs as well as tower of submarine B-2 by the
UVBI. This is a fully operational naval base, so access is limited.
Contact the base before entering.

Drobakk
Oslofjord
Coastal Batteries of Oscarsborg
The Krupp guns of 1900 Moses, Aron and Joshva that sunk the German
cruiser Blucher in 1940. Oscrasborg is still in use as a training center;
access might be limited.

Horten (60km south of Oslo)
Marinemuseet
RNN base Karl Johansvern
Rap             PT  (built 1875)
Large collection different items related to the Navy, including guns,
turrets, torpedo batteries.

Lake Mjosa
Skibladner      Paddlesteamer
125 years old, still operates during summer.

Oslo
Bygdoy
Sjofartsmuseet
Fram            Exploration vessel used by Amundsen and Fr. Nansen
Ra, Kon-Tiki    Thor Heyerdal's ships
Civilian shipping, polar and exploration vessels.

Oslo
Bygdoy
Vikingskipsmuseet
Restored 1000 year old longboats found in this century.

Oslo
Forsvarsmuseet
Oslo Castle (central Oslo)
Models and artifacts from the Norwegian Navy, mainly 1905 - 45. Torpedoes,
guns, Hs293 guided missile, Enigma cipher machines, historical library
for researchers.

The Royal Norwegian Navy operates the museum vessel Hitra, a fully
restored subhunter from the US, used for commando operations on
Norwegian coast during WWII.

POLAND
Gdynia
Blyskawica      DD
Served with Free Polish forces in Royal Navy during WWII.

Warszawa (Warsaw)
Polish Military Museum
Complete military museum, including naval displays. Has static displays of
aircraft, armor, artillery, naval weapons outside. Uniforms and a Salyut
inside. Really cheap, even cheaper for students.
All labeling is in Polish.

RUSSIA
St. Petersburg
Aurora          Cruiser
One of three (four?) surviving pre-Dreadnaught cruisers.

SWEDEN
Gothenburg
Goteborgs Maritima Centrum (Gothenburg Maritime Center)
Packhuskajen, Lilla Bommen
Int.tel: +46 31 101290
Smaland         DD
Nordkaparen     SS
Fryken          Freighter

Gothenburg
Sjofartsmuseet med akvariet (The museum of shipping and the aquarium)
Karl Johansgatan 1-3
Int.tel: +46 31 612901
Indoor museum. Exhibitions covering all aspects of civilian shipping.

Gothenburg
Nya Ilvsborgs Fistning (The New Ilvsborg Fortress)
Ferry from Packhuskajen, Lilla Bommen
Fortress is located in the entrance to the river Gotaalv. It successfully
defended the city from naval attack during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Exhibitions includes display on Thordenskiold, the Norwegian naval
commander who led the attacks on Gothenburg, and museum covering the
excavations of the 19th century East India tradeship Gothenburg, which
after 3 years in East India sank just outside the fortress.

Stockholm
Sjohistoriska Museet (The Maritime Historical Museum)
Djurgordsbrunnsvogen 24
Good selection of models of commercial and military subjects from all
times.

Stockholm
Vasamuseet (Vasa Museum)
+46 8 6664800
Vasa            Wood ship-of-the-line
Ship sank on her maiden voyage.  She was found and raised in 1950's or
60's, and is being refurbished.

UNITED KINGDOM (I chose this name since Jane's uses it.)
ENGLAND
London
Thames River
Cutty Sark      Clipper ship
Belfast         CA
Belfast is WWII era.

West Sussex
Portsmouth
HMS Mary Rose   Restoration project of 15th century ship
HMS Victory     Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar
HMS Warrior     Trend-setting 1860's armored frigate

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

ALABAMA
Mobile
Alabama Memorial Park
Highway 90
(205) 433-2703
Alabama                 BB 60
Drum                    AGSS 228

CALIFORNIA
Long Beach
Pier J
(215) 435-4747
Queen Mary      Luxury liner
She is now a floating hotel.  Hercules H.2 flying boat Spruce Goose was there
but has been moved to Oregon. (Where?)

Monterey
Allan Knight Museum
550 Calle Principal
(408) 375-2553
Library and museum - renowned model collection.
This museum is currently (11/4/92) closed and is in the process of moving.

Port Hueneme
SeeBee Museum
Naval Construction Batalion Center
History of the USN Construction Battalions.

San Diego
San Diego Maritime Museum
1306 N. Harbor Drive
(619) 234-9153
Berkeley                Ferryboat
Star of India           Full-rigged ship

San Francisco
Golden Gate National Recreation Area
San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park
(405) 929-0202 or (415) 556-0560 or (415) 556-3002
Pampanito               SS 383
Jeremiah O'Brien        Liberty ship
Balclutha               Steel hull square-rigged merchant ship
Other ships
Pampanito is at Pier 45 on Fisherman's Wharf. The O'Brien is the last
unaltered Liberty ship in operating condition in the USA, and is at
Fort Mason Center.

San Francisco
Treasure Island Museum
(415) 395-5067
Island in the bay, museum of US sea combat in the Pacific.

San Pedro
Berth 52
Outer Harbor
Lane Victory            Liberty ship
Being restored.

CONNECTICUT
Bridgeport
Captain's Cove Seaport
1 Bostwick Ave.
(203) 335-1433
HMS Rose                Sail warship
Replica of ship that patrolled Long Island Sound during the American
Revolution.

Essex
Connecticut River Museum
Foot of Main St.
(203) 767-8269

Groton
Nautilus Memorial and Submarine Force Museum
(800) 343-0079 or (203) 449-3174
Nautilus                SSN 571
World's first nuclear propelled vessel and a submarine museum. Since
there are new subs being built nearby, be careful what you photograph.

There is a second sub in Groton that Ed Rudnicki says is the Croaker
(which I have listed as in Buffalo) in a private museum between
General Dynamics and the Nautilus. Could someone get me some more
information on both museums?

Mystic
Mystic Seaport Museum
50 Greenmanville Ave.
(203) 572-0711
Joseph Conrad           Steel hulled square-rigger
Charles W. Morgan       Whaler
Steam launch
Grand Banks schooner
Plethora of small vessels
Replica whaling town of 1800's. Nearby is Mystic Marinelife Aquarium.

New London
US Coast Guard Museum
US Coast Guard Academy
Route 32
(203) 444-8511

South Norwalk
Maritime Center at Norwalk
10 N. Water St.
(203) 852-0700
Nautical history and ecology of Long Island Sound. Includes an aquarium
and an IMAX theater.

DELAWARE
Wilmington
Battle of the Atlantic Memorial
Foot of King St.
(302) 656-0400
Mohawk          USCG cutter

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Naval Museum
Washington Navy Yard
Building 76
(202) 433-4882
Barry           DD 953
Historical retrospective. Models, aircraft, paintings.

United States Marine Corps Museum
Navy Yard
On same grounds as Naval Museum.

The Smithsonian Institution
Constitution Ave. at 12th St.
(202) 357-2025
Philadelphia            Sail gunboat
Remains of first warship built in what would become the US, in the
Hall of Armed Forces History(?). Operated by Army, as Navy wasn't yet
formed.  Ship models are on display in the Hall of American Maritime
Enterprise, the Technology building and the Air and Space Museum.

FLORIDA
Key West
The Wrecker's Museum
322 Duval St.
(305) 294-9602

Panama City Beach
Museum of Man in the Sea
17314 Back Beach Rd.
(940) 235-4104
Diving and undersea exploration.

Pensacola
Pensacola Naval Air Station
Naval Aviation Museum

GEORGIA
Columbus
Confederate Naval Museum
101 Fourth St.
(404) 327-9798
Houses remains of 2 Civil War ironclads fished out of southern rivers
during 1960's Centennial. Both are little more than half of a burned
hull surrounded by iron armor sections, cannon, and other metal items
recovered from the rivers. Additional displays of uniforms, equipments,
models, etc.

Savannah
Ships of the Sea Museum
503 East River St.
(912) 232-1511
More than 150 ship models.

HAWAII
Honolulu
Arizona Memorial
1 Arizona Memorial Place
(808) 422-2771
Arizona         BB 39

Honolulu
Hawaii Maritime Center
Pier 7
(808) 523-6151
Falls of Clyde          Full-rigged ship
Hokule'a                Polynesian canoe - replica

Utah Memorial - on Ford Island
Utah            Target ship, ex-BB 31
Ford island is still a Naval base, so call ahead for information.

Pacific Fleet Submarine Museum
11 Arizona Memorial Drive
(808) 423-1341
Bowfin          SS 287
Outside are 2-man Japanese subs and a Regulus I.

ILLINOIS
Chicago
Chicago Museum of Science and Industry
57th St. and Lake Shore Drive
(312) 684-1414
U-505           SS (German)
U-boat was captured by US CVE Bogue during WWII. Museum has an exhibit
called "Ships Through the Ages."

IOWA
Dubuque
Woodward Riverboat Museum
2nd St., Ice Harbor
(319) 557-9545
William M. Black        Sidewheeler
Upper Mississippi navigational history including a collection of vessels.

Keokuk River Museum
Victory Park
(319) 524-4765
George M. Verity        Steam sternwheeler
Museum of the Mississippi and riverboats.

Le Clair
Buffalo Bill Museum
200 N. River Dr.
Includes displays on upper Mississippi water transportation, and one
of the few surviving wood riverboats.

KENTUCKY
Louisville
4th Ave. and River Rd.
(502) 625-2355
Belle of Louisville     Steamboat
Built in 1914, now makes day trips. Carries museum about steamboats.

LOUISIANA
Baton Rouge
Louisiana Naval War Museum
305 S. River Rd.
(504) 342-1942
Kidd            DD
Displays from former Louisiana Maritime Museum.

MAINE
Bath
Maine Maritime Museum
243 Washington St.
(207) 443-1316
Restored shipyard, plus >100 small craft.

Boothbay
Grand Banks Schooner Museum
Route 27
(207) 633-4727
Sherman Zwicker         Schooner
History of fishing and fishing vessels of the north Atlantic.

Greenville
Moosehead Marine Museum
(207) 695-2716
Katahdin        Lake steamer
History of western Maine's lakes.

Kittery
Kittery Historical and Naval Museum
Rogers Rd.
(207) 439-3080
History of Maine's oldest settlement.

Rockland
Shore Village Museum
104 Limerock St.
(207) 594-0311
Lighthouse artifacts.

Searsport
Penobscot Marine Museum
Church St.
(207) 548-2529
Fishing and seafairing history. Paintings and small boats on display.

South Portland
Spring Point Museum
Southern Maine Technical College
Fort Rd.
(207) 799-6337
Museum of the port of Portland. Includes bow of clipper ship Snow
Squall, built in Portland.

MARYLAND
Annapolis
U. S. Naval Academy
Preble Hall
(410) 267-6100 (Academy)
(410) 267-2108 (Museum)
or (301) 267-2108
Academy itself is National Historic Shrine, containing multitude of
monuments and relics, including foremast of BB USS Maine and crypt of
John Paul Jones.
Museum run by the U.S. Naval Institute. Contains a brand new model
ship gallery which contains some of the most spectacular items from
the Naval Academy's impressive model ship collection.

Baltimore
Baltimore Harbor
Pier 1
Constellation Dock
(410) 539-1797 or -1798
Constellation           Sail frigate
Tursk                   AGSS 423
Constellation is last wooden warship built in US. The US Navy used
funds appropriated for repair of vessels to completely rebuild frigate
Constellation of War of 1812 fame.

Baltimore
100 Light St.
Pride of Baltimore      Interpretation of a "Baltimore Clipper"
Second ship of the name. First was lost at sea some years ago.

Baltimore
Radcliff Maritime Museum
201 W. Monument St.
(301) 685-3750

Historic St. Mary's City
Rosecroft Rd.
(301) 862-0990
Maryland Dove           Sailing ship
The Dove is an interpretation of one of the ships that brought early
settlers to Maryland.

St. Michaels
Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum
Navy Point
(301) 745-2916
>80 vessels and small boats.

Solomons
Calvert Marine Museum
Routes 2 and 4
(301) 326-2042
Drum Point Lighthouse and number of small craft.

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston
Boston National Historical Park
(617) 242-5601
Constitution    Sail frigate
Cassin Young    DD
Constitution is oldest ship on US Navy lists. Crewed by Navy personnel
wearing period uniforms.

Cambridge
Hart Nautical Gallery
Bldg. 5, 1st floor
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
77 Massachusetts Avenue
Gallery has three parts: collection of ship models from ancient to
modern, hull half-sections of various boats/ships/subs and sail craft,
and modern displays changed about every year. (Current theme is robot
sub exploration - also has one of MIT's human powered subs hanging from
the ceiling). No fee. Look for full size anchors on loan from US Navy.

Fall River
Battleship Cove
(508) 678-1100
Massachusetts           BB
Joseph P. Kennedy       DD
Lionfish                SS 298
PT 796

Fall River
Marine Museum of Fall River
70 Water St.
(508) 674-3533
History of Fall River Line, steam power. >100 models.

Glouchester
Cape Ann Histoical Association
27 Pleasant St.
(508) 283-0455
Fishing and works of Fitz Hugh Lane

Glouchester
Harbor Loop
(508) 283-0455
Adventure       Fishing schooner
Last old-time Glouchester schooner still sailing.

Hull
Hull Lifesvaing Museum
6 Circuit Ave.
(617) 925-5433

Nantucket
Nantucket Historical Association
2 Union St.
(508) 228-1894

New Bedford
10 Union St.
(508) 992-4900
Ernestina       Schooner
Fished the Grand Banks, sailed in the US Navy, and worked carrying
immigrants between New England and Cape Verde Islands.

New Bedford
New Bedford Whaling Museum
18 Johnny Cake Hill
(508) 997-0046
Half-size model of whaler Lagoda in main building.

Plymouth
Mayflower II/Plimouth Plantation
Replica of Mayflower in recreated Pilgrim settlement and Wampanoag
Indian village.

Quincy
U.S. Naval Shipbuilding Museum
Salem           CA-139
New museum. Possibly at or near Bethlehem-Quincy shipyard.

Salem
Peabody Museum of Salem
East India Square
(508) 745-1876
Largest collection of marine art in US.

Salem
Salem Maritime National Historic Site
174 Derby St.
(508) 744-4323

Sharon
Kendall Whaling Museum
27 Everett St.
(617) 784-5642

MICHIGAN
Detroit
Dossin Great Lakes Museum
100 Strand
Belle Isle
(313) 267-6440
History of Great Lakes transport, focused on Detroit.

Douglass
Blue Star Highway and Union St.
Keewatin        Passenger steamer
Reiss           Steam tug
Helen McLeod    Fishing boat

Mackinaw City Marina
(616) 436-5563
Replica of British sloop of war from around 1775 is centerpiece.

North Muskegan
(616) 744-9117
Silversides     SS 236

Sault Ste. Marie
Johnson and Water Streets
(906) 632-3658
Valley Camp     Lake ore freighter
Contains a museum of Great Lakes shipping

MINNESOTA
Duluth
Canal Park Marine Museum
600 Lake Avenue S.
(218) 722-2497

Duluth
350 Harbor Dr.
(218) 722-7876
William A. Irvin        Iron ore carrier
Lake commerce and boat technology.

Winona
Lee Park
(507) 454-6880
Julius C. Wilkie        Steamboat
One of the few surviving wood sternwheelers.

MISSISSIPPI
Biloxi
Biloxi Seafood Industry Museum
115 First St.
(601) 435-6320

NEBRASKA
Omaha
(402) 345-1959
Marlin          SST 2

Peru
Meriwether Lewis Museum
Brownville State Recreation Area
(402) 872-3815
Museum is aboard former Corps of Engineers dredgeboat.

NEW HAMPSHIRE
Portsmouth
Port of Portsmouth Maritime Museum
Market St. Extension
(603) 436-3680
Albacore        AGSS 569
History of locally built submarines. Tour of boat is primary
attraction.

NEW JERSEY
Hackensack
New Jersey Naval Museum
River and Court Streets
(201) 342-3268
Ling            AGSS 297
Regulus and other missles on display. Submarine oriented.

Highlands
Twin Lights Historic Site
Lighthouse Road
History of twin lights of Navesink and navigation.

Highlands
Sandy Hook
Series of naval defense batteries were built on the site, incl. 12 inch
mortars, one of which is on display. Sandy Hook was also national
proving grounds until 1907, when moved to Aberdeen.
Two Nike? missles stuck in the ground.

Jersey City
New Netherland Museum
Half Moon       Sailing ship
Replica of Henry Hudson's exploration vessel. Docked at wharf for boats
to Ellis Island, near old NJ Central RR station. Small museum on history
of New Netherland colony.

Morristown
Canal Society of New Jersey Museum Waterloo Village
(201) 235-8454

Paterson
Westside Park
First Holland sub, launched 1881. John Holland was a citizen of Paterson.

Pine Bluff
Farragut Marine Museum
Admiral Farragut Academy
(201) 349-4829

NEW YORK
Blue Mountain Lake
Adirondack Museum
(518) 352-7311
Collection of >200 small boats.

Bronx, Fort Schuyler
Maritime Industry Museum
SUNY Maritime College
(212) 409-7218
Two tugs and a merchant ship.
Evolution of seafaring.

Buffalo
Buffalo and Erie County Naval and Servicemen's Museum
1 Naval Park Cove
(716) 847-1773
Little Rock     CLG
The Sullivans   DD
Croaker         SS 246 (?)
PT
Museum has collection of models of many ships, mostly Great Lakes
vessels, including large before and after models of the Wolverine,
one of two side-wheelers converted into aircraft carriers during WWII
for flight training (other was Sable.) Several static displays
around the grounds.

Clayton
Antique Boat Museum
750 Mary St.
(315) 686-4104
World's largest recreational boat museum.

Cold Spring Harbor
Cold Spring Harbor Whaling Museum
Main St.
(516) 367-3418
Collection includes over 700 scrimshaw pieces.

East Hampton
East Hampton Marine Museum
101 Main St.
(516) 324-6850
Fishing, boatbuilding, whaling and sportfishing history.

King's Point
American Merchant Marine Museum
US Merchant Marine Academy
(516) 773-5515
Small museum on history since WWI.

Kingston
Hudson River Maritime Center
1 Rondout Landing
(914) 338-0071
Steam tug from 1898 and various other vessels.

Lake George Village
Minne-ha-ha     Paddlewheeler
Not a museum per say, the Minne-ha-ha is a steam-powered paddlewheel
excursion vessel that sails on Lake George.  The engine room is
enclosed in glass and the ship sports a steam calliope.

New York City
American Museum of Immigration
Ellis Island
Ferry from Battery Park or Liberty State Park in Jersey City
Lots of material - posters, postcards, photos, models - on various
ships which carried immigrants to the US.

New York City
Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum
Pier 88, 12th and West 46th
(212) 245-2533
Intrepid        CV
Edson           DD 933
Growler         SSG 577  (Take 'er down!)
Nantucket Lightship #?
Flight deck and hanger hold large display of carrier aircraft. Vehicles
and planes on display on pier. Museum inside carrier has wide range
of displays, including models and a film on carrier operations.

New York City
Museum of the City of New York
103rd St & Park Ave
Permanent display: Maritime New York - artifacts (some large), photos,
models, paintings

New York City
South Street Seaport Museum
East side, just south of Brooklyn Bridge
Peking          Square-rigged four masted sailing ship
Wavertree       Square-rigged sailing ship
                Lightship
Museum located in the midst of a (nice) tourist trap, right next to the
fishing docks, just south of the Brooklyn Bridge. Lots of shops and
restaurants.

Poughkeepsie
12 Market St.
Clearwater      River sloop
This is the ship's dock, but she is usually sailing the Hudson River.

Rome
Erie Canal Village
5789 New London Rd.
(315) 337-3999
Chief Engineer          Canal packet
Re-created canal village.

Sag Harbor
Sag Harbor Whaling Museum
Main and Garden Streets
(516) 725-0770

Syracuse
Erie Canal Museum
318 Erie Blvd.
(315) 471-0593
Housed in former weigh station. Display includes replica canalboat in
the weighlock.

West Sayville
Suffolk Marine Museum
Montauk Highway
(516) 567-1733
Two restored oyster sloops. Shell-fishing and recreational boating
history.

Whitehall
Skenesborough Museum
Skenesborough Drive
(518) 499-1155
Early US naval history and commerce on Lake Champlain and the upper
Hudson River.

NORTH CAROLINA
Beaufort
North Carolina Maritime Museum
315 Front St.
(919) 728-7317

Manteo
Elizabeth II State Historic Site
Replica of smallest of three ships that brought settlers to North
Carolina in 1585.

Wilmington
Eagle Island
(919) 752-1829
North Carolina  BB
Well done display. Impressive nighttime sound and light show.

Wilmington
New Hanover County Museum
814 Market St.
Emphasis on Civil War blockade and blockade-running.

OHIO
Ashtabula
Great Lakes Marine and US Coast Guard Memorial Museum
1071 Walnut Blvd.
(216) 964-6847

Cleveland
E. 9th St. Pier
William G. Mather       Great Lakes bulk ore carrier

Cleveland
N. Marginal Road
(216) 566-8770
Cod                     SS 224
Open May through October.

Fairport Harbor
Front Street (?)
Converted lighthouse and keeper's quarters. Pilot house of lake freighter.

Marietta
Ohio River Museum
601 Second St.
W. P. Snyder. Jr.       Steam towboat
Maritime and natural history of Ohio River.

Toledo
26 Main St.
(419) 698-8252
Willis B. Boyer         Lake freighter

Vermillion
Great Lakes Historical Society Museum
480 Main St.
(216) 967-3467
Maritime history of the Great Lakes. "Real snotty"

OKLAHOMA
Muskogee
USS Batfish Park
(918) 682-6294
Batfish                 AGSS 310
Museum is sub oriented.

OREGON
Astoria
Columbia River Maritime Museum
1792 Marine Drive
(503) 325-2323
Columbia        Lightship
Knapp           DD 563 (Bridge only - centerpiece of museum.)
Rasher          SS 269 (Periscopes and part of conn only.)
Artifacts from battleship Oregon, local Indian canoes, Lewis and Clark
artifacts, whaling.

Hammond
Fort Stevens State Park Museum
Site of attack by Japanese sub I-25 during WWII. Photos and artifacts
in display.

Portland
Oregon Maritime Center and Museum
113 SW Front Ave.
(503) 224-7724
Portland        Steam tug
Museum of Oregon's nautical history. Tug is steel-hulled sternwheeler.
Along seawall across street.

Portland
Oregon Museum of Science and Industry
Blueback                SS
Submarine is not yet there, but funds to move and modify her for display
were in this year's military appropriations bill.
Museum, however, is there.

PENNSYLVANIA
Easton
Hugh Moore Historical Park
200 South Delaware Dr.
(215) 250-6700
Josiah White            Canal boat
American canal history and technology.

Erie
164 E. Front St.
(814) 871-4596
Niagara                 Sail barque
Replica of Perry's flagship on Great Lakes during War of 1812.

Philadelphia
Penn's Landing
(215) 922-1898
Olympia                 Cruiser 6
Becuna                  SS 319
Olympia was Dewey's flagship at Battle of Manila Bay in Spanish American
War.  Note that 8 in. turrets are fabrications, as originals were
replaced with barbettes during WWI.

Philadelphia
Philadelphia Maritime Museum
321 Chestnut St.
Maritime US history, 30 small boats, 10,000 artifacts.

Philadelphia
Philadelphia Ship Preservation Guild
Chestnut St. and Delaware Ave.
Gazela of Philadelphia  Barkentine
Jupiter                 Tug
Barnegat lightship

Philadelphia
Port of History Museum
Delaware Ave. and Spruce St.
(215) 925-3804
Emphasis on Atlantic coast.

Pittsburgh
(412) 622-3303
Requin                  AGSS 481

Willow Grove/Hatboro
Willow Grove Naval Air Station
Rt. 611
WWII and more recent aircraft, including P-2 Nepture, on static display.

RHODE ISLAND
Bristol
Herreshoft Marine Museum
7 Burnside St.
(401) 253-5000

Newport
Museum of Yachting
Fort Adams State Park
(401) 847-1018
Shamrock V              J boat
History of yachting, America's Cup and solo sailing.

Newport
Naval War College Museum
Coasters Harbor Island
(401) 841-4052
Evolution and technology of sea warfare. (Surprise, surprise.)

SOUTH CAROLINA
Charleston
Charles Towne Landing
1500 Old Towne Rd.
(803) 556-4450
Adventure               Ketch (replica)

Mt.Pleasant
Patriot's Point Naval and Maritime Museum
(803) 884-2727
Yorktown                CV 10
Laffey                  DD 724
Clamagore               SS 343
Ingham                  USCG Cutter
Savannah                Nuclear powered cargo ship
Bills itself as World's Largest Naval Museum.  Savannah is only nuclear
powered commercial vessel ever built. Cutters served in Atlantic in
WWII on U-boat patrol.

TEXAS
Corpus Christi
Corpus Christi Museum
1900 North Chaparral
(512) 883-2862
Primary exhibit is artifacts recovered from two Spanish ships wrecked
in 1554.

Fredricksburg
Chester Nimitz Museum
Museum of the Pacific War
Ship sections, including the Fire Control area of a cruiser. Display
on famed Japanese warship from Russo-Japanese war: while touring Japan
after the war, Nimitz found the ship in terrible condition, and had it
set in concrete and made suitable for display.

Galveston
Seawolf Park
(409) 744-5738 or (713) 744-5043
Cavalla                 AGSS 244
Stewart                 DE
Self-guided tours.

Galveston
Texas Seaport Museum
2016 Strand
(409) 763-1877
Elissa                  Bark

La Porte
3527 Battleground Rd.
(713) 479-2411
Texas                   BB
Self-guided tours.

Rockport
Texas Maritime Museum
1202 Navigation Circle
(512) 729-1271
Texas maritime history. Several Texas coastal workboats.

VERMONT
Basin Harbor
Lake Champlain Maritime Museum
(801) 475-2317
Revolutionary War museum.  Replica of gunboat Philadelphia, plus
numerous small boats.

Shelburne
The Shelburne Museum
Route 7
(802) 985-3346
Ticonderoga     Passenger steamer
Colchester Reef lighthouse. Boat is dry-docked on the lawn.

VIRGINIA
Dahlgren
Naval Surface Warfare Center

Newport News
The Mariners' Museum
100 Museum Drive, exit 62-A off I-64
(804) 595-0368
Ship models, scrimshaw, figureheads, working models of classic steam
engines, small craft from around the world.

Norfolk
Norfolk Naval Base
(804) 444-7955
On most weekends, one or two Navy ships at Norfolk offer tours for
visitors. For information call the Naval Base Tour and Information Office
at above number.

Norfolk
Hampton Roads Naval Museum
Located on Norfolk Naval Base
Pick up pass at Tour and Info office, 9809 Hampton Blvd., Norfolk
(804) 444-8971
Paraphrased from brochure: Introduces you to over two centuries of naval
activity in and around the harbor of Hampton Roads. Tour begins
with Battle off the Virginia Capes in 1781.
Ship models, artwork and retrieved underwater naval artifacts continue
the naval story through the Civil War and into the 20th century.

Portsmouth
Portsmouth Naval Shipyard Museum
2 High St.
(804) 393-8591
America's first naval shipyard. Portsmouth lightship is nearby.

Williamsburg
Jamestown Settlement
(804) 229-1607
Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discovery
Replicas of ships that brought colonists to Jamestown in 1607.

Yorktown
Yorktown Victory Center
Route 238 and Colonial Parkway
(804) 887-1776  (Cute number, eh?)
American Revolution, primarily naval victory at Yorktown.

WASHINGTON
Aberdeen
Grays Harbor Historical Seaport
813 E. Heron St.
(206) 532-8611
Lady Washington         Brig
Lady is replica of first American ship to explore the Pacific
Northwest. Working shipyard is part of museum.

Bremerton
Turner Joy              DD
One block from Navy yard.  Has photographs of shipyard over
the years, large model of an aircraft carrier with frames and
plate of clear plastic. and what may be the oldest existing
cannon--a wooden device from China. Turner Joy is (in)famous for
the Tonkin Gulf incident. (Right?) Tours given of naval graveyard,
including BB Missouri, carriers, subs both nuke and conventional,
crusiers and other types.

Ilwaco
Nearby, on Columbia river
Cape Disappointment Lighthouse
Maritime museum - most northwesterly point Lewis and Clark reached.

Keyport
Naval Underseas Warfare Museum
Adjacent to Navy torpedo test facility.  Has models of support
ships and boats.  Also has actual research and rescue subs.

Seattle
Center for Wooden Boats
1010 Valley St.
(206) 382-2628
Boatbuilding shop, boat livery, display of many small boats.

Seattle
Coast Guard Museum/Northwest
Pier 46
1519 Alaska Way S.
(206) 286-9608
Collection of ship and boat models and uniforms of the U.S. Coast Guard.
Two high-endurance cutters and two icebreakers dock there, and are part
of the tour.

Seattle
Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society
2700 24th Avenue East
(206) 324-1126
Part of Museum of History and Science

WISCONSIN
Manitowoc Maritime Museum
(414) 684-0218
Cobia           AGSS 245

Joseph Poutre, aka The Mad Mathematician        N2KOW
[email-masked]
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.  At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house.         -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:50:31 CDT
From:    Mark Coover <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Submarines

Speaking of WWII subs on display, There is a good one on display at...Muskogee
Oklahoma, of all places. Its the USS Batfish which holds the record , as I unde
rstand it, For sinking enemy submarines. The Batfish was purchased years ago by
 the city of Tulsa , Towed up the Arkansas River as far as Muskogee, wher the r
iver make a turn narrow enough that the many barges strapped to it couldnt nego
iate. It was abandoned on the bank of the Arkansas at Muskogee  with no one kno
wing quite what to do. Eventually Muskogee built a War Memorial Park around it.
The tours are unsupervised and you can poke around as much as you like. I know
that it doesn't compare to the large displays that are on the east coast...but
for the heartland, its quite a Treat!
                                   Mark Alan Coover

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 20:10:55 CST
From:    "[email-masked]. --Scherrer,
         Tim A." <[email-masked]>
Subject: WWII HRS Calender

The World War II Historical Reenactment Society mainly serves reenactors
in the Midwest.  There are other organizations, such as the WWII
Historical Reenactment Federation, the 20th Century Tactical Studies
Group, and other organizations that sponcer events as well.  If anyone
knows of any other organizations that reenact WWII and have their
schedule, I'd be glad to add it to this list.  Please feel free to
repost on any other lists.

Events Sponcered by the WWIIHRS, or Units of the WWIIHRS
************************************************************************

April 23-24 Camden, OH, Western Front: Break-Out at Anzio, April, 1944

May 1-2 Jefferson Barracks, MO (St Louis), Living History Display and
battles, militaria show, and USO dance with live big band

May 7-9 Rosemont, MN, Western Front Battle

May 28-31 Columbia, MO: Salute to Veterans: includes living history
diaplays, battles, and performances by USN Blue Angels

June 13 Aurora, IL: 8th annual Aurora Airport Open House: Living History
displays and battles

June 12-13 Pacific Theater event--more info to come

June 26-27 New Lenox, IL: Howell Airport Living History Display and
Battle: Event includes stunt flying airshow with EAA

July 4 Ft. Knox, KY: Annual Ft. Knox Armor display at Patton Museum
       usually includes WWII armor on armor "battle" with infantry
support

July 17-18 Danville, IL: Living History Display and Battle, Vermillion
County Airport

July 31 Dana, IL: Ernie Pyle Festival: Parade, Display and possible
battle

Sept 10-12 Sparland, IL: Western Front Battle

************************************************************************

For those of you uninitiated living history display means a layout of
gear and equipment for public viewing.  A public display battle means a
small skirmish set up like a play for the public to watch.  An event
with just a "Western Front Battle" means a tactic "battle" that force
goes on force with no predetermined outcome, and is generally not open
to the public.

If anyone has any specific questions about these events, please contact
me direct.

 Tim A. Scherrer, Obergefreiter, 5. Kompanie, 2. Abteilung, 110.
Panzergrenadier Regiment, 11.Panzer Division (WWIIHRS)

************************************************************************
*  Tim A. Scherrer          "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of   *
*  Facilities Supervisor     your life", Ron Scherrer, 1971            *
*  WP:816-785-5253                                                     *
*  HP:816-665-6704                                                     *
*  ID# [email-masked]                             *
************************************************************************

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 21:02:53 EST
From:    Larry Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Italian Fleet Disposition

The article below is from the Naval Chronology.

03/03/44 President announces that the Italian Fleet will be
distributed among the United States, Great Britain, and Russia.

Does anyone have the distribution of the fleet available?  I'd like
to know what units went to each country and the new names of any units
renamed.

Thanks,
Larry J

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Date:    Wed, 7 Apr 1993 21:24:27 CST
From:    Zel Eaton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Flying Insects and Submersibles

There are several u-boats still intact in Europe.  I don't have the
references handy, but as I recall there are still three tied up in a sub
pen at Lorient (sp.) now part of a French base.  These boats are where
they were tied up at the end of the war.

Join SHARKHUNTERS INTERNATIONAL and learn all about it, first hand, form
the men who sailed them.  And by the way, Hans Gobeler was the man who
pulled the plug on U-505, only he didn't quite get it done correctly :)
(opened the sea strainer, actually) Zenon Lukosius was the American
sailor who managed to get aboard U-505 and replace the cap on the
sea-strainer, thus preventing the boat's sinking.  Also, the rumor is,
that members of Sharkhunters, identifying themselves as such, can
sometimes receive personal tours of 505.  but then, some people at the
Museum are members of Sharkhunters.  :) zel eaton
> AW> Someone once told me that a U-boat was captured and towed up
> AW> Lawrence and now resides in Chicago somewhere. Have only hea
> AW> from one source. Is it correct ?
>
> I don't know about the St. Lawrence part (although is certainly
> would be the way *I* would take a U-boat to Chicago!), but I
> too have heard that there is a U-boat there.  I think the Museum
> of Science & Technology (is this correct?) is the specific
> address.
>
> BTW, I also heard there was one in Europe somewhere.  These are
> the only two in existence that I know of.  I would be interested
> to know if there are any others.
>
> BBTW, the Deutsches Museum in Munich has one of the first operational
> subs made for Germany before the First World War.  It barely escaped
> destruction along with all the other WWI iron as a result of the Ver-
> sailles Treaty.
>
> cheers,
>         Jay

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