Subject: WWII-L Digest - 2 Jan 1994 to 3 Jan 1994

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There are 19 messages totalling 874 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Media: Movie: Yanks
  2. 10 Feb 1940,"They broke in like mad dogs"
  3. ARC: SPINOFFS FROM LETTERS HOME (3)
  4. <No subject given>
  5. USAAF 3 JAN 44
  6. your mail (4)
  7. ADMIN: The Holocaust... (5)
  8. The Holocaust...
  9. Closure of famous wartime pub.
 10. Volunteers Requested

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 07:52:21 CST
From:    "[email-masked]. --Scherrer,
         Tim A." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Media: Movie: Yanks

I was watching the movie Yanks yesterday on WGN out of Chicago and I
noticed in several campscene shots there were what appeared to be
nuclear power plant cooling towers in the background.  Has anyone else
noticed this ?  Is there a logical explanation for that (like it was a
normal cooling tower design adopted for nuclear use), or is it just a
big screw-up?Tanks in advance (pun intended).

Tim

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:20:53 -0600
From:    WILLIAM HUBER - SCDR <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: 10 Feb 1940,"They broke in like mad dogs"

In your message of  1 Jan 1994 at 2124 CST, you write:
> George,
>
> I really enjoyed your post.  CAn you add some background info
> about his experiences?
>
> --
> Steve Alvin
> [email-masked]

Yea, what happened next???  You can't stop there!  Thanks for posting
that account.  How did he survive the war and how did you end up in
Australia?  Don't leave us hanging :-)

Reagards Bill

[email-masked]

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 12:03:26 -0500
From:    Daniel Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ARC: SPINOFFS FROM LETTERS HOME

As a matter of interest, when Winston Churchill and his group
went to the Quebec conference in 1943, there were 200 people
aboard the QUEEN MARY.

In wartime, it seems, it is better to be a head of state or a
close adviser, than to be in the infantry.

Regards - Dan Ford

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 13:03:00 EST
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: <No subject given>

I am sure that everyone on this list has heard of the Holocaust.  My
question is, "How many non-Jewish people died in the camps during World
War II?"  Does anyone have any numbers and perhaps a breakdown by sex,
crime (political, criminal, mental), age, religion, etc.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:32:00 EST
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: USAAF 3 JAN 44

COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES
MONDAY, 3 JANUARY 1944
FTP SITES
  1. ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf
  2. byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152) in pub/history/military/airforce/
     wwii_chronology

AIRCRAFT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
  A-20, Douglas Havoc
  A-24, Douglas Dauntless
  A-36, North American Apache
  B-17, Boeing Flying Fortress
  B-24, Consolidated Liberator
  B-25, North American Mitchell
  P-38, Lockheed Lightning
  P-39, Bell Airacobra
  P-40, Curtiss
  P-47, Republic Thunderbolt
  P-51, North American Mustang
  Spitfire, Vickers Supermarine
  Zeke, Mitsubishi A6M

CHINA-BURMA-INDIA (CBI) THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  BURMA-INDIA (Tenth Air Force): In Burma, 22 A-36's and P-51's hit
warehouses and dump area at Sahmaw; 19 B-25's, along with 16 P-38's, bomb a
pumping station at Yenangyaung, setting oil tanks afire; 10 B-24's follow
with a strike on the same target, causing explosions and leaving the target
in flames.

  CHINA (Fourteenth Air Force): In China, 28 B-24's attack the railroad yards
at Lampang; 5 fighter-bombers attack the town of Pingkai.

EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)

  STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Special Night Operation: 1 B-17 is
dispatched on an Oboe test against Germany but turns back due to an oxygen
failure in the tail gun position.
  HQ 452d Bombardment Group (Heavy) and it's 728th, 729th, 730th and 731st
Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy) arrives at Deopham Green, England from the US
with B-17's; first mission is 5 Feb.

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)

  STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Fifteenth Air Force): Lieutenant General Nathan F
Twining becomes Commanding General, Fifteenth Air Force.
  In Italy, B-17's escorted by P-38's, bomb the Villarperosa ball bearing
works and Lingotto marshalling yard and Fiat motor works in the Turin area.
P-47's fly top cover for the B-17's as far as the Italian coast, then turn
and carry out an uneventful sweep over the Rome area.
  Arrivals in Italy from US:
  719th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 449th Bombardment Group (Heavy), to
Grottaglie with B-24's; first mission is 8 Jan.
  721st and 723d Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy), 450th Bombardment Group
(Heavy), to Manduria with B-24's; first mission is 8 Jan.

  TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Twelfth Air Force): Brigadier General Edward M Morris
assumes command of the XII Fighter Command.
  In Yugoslavia, B-25's bomb a troop concentration area at Prijedor, and hit
Split and Sibenik. In Italy, P-40's and A-36's bomb gun positions near
Cassino, the Anagni railroad station, a village near Vicenza, the railway and
trains between Ceccano and Segni, and the harbor at Civitavecchia; P-40's,
with South African Air Force (SAAF) and Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF)
Spitfires, hit 100+ vehicles in the Avezzano-Sulmona area; other P-40's, with
AAF, Royal Air Force (RAF), SAAF, and Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)
fighters, hit targets in the Filetto-Tollo areas in support of ground troops.

PACIFIC OCEAN AREA (POA, Seventh Air Force): 24 A-24's from Makin Island,
Gilbert Islands dive-bomb AA positions and radar and radio facilities on
Mille Atoll, Marshall Islands. 20 supporting P-39's strafe runways and oil
storage.

SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (SOPAC, Thirteenth Air Force): 30+ Allied fighters again
sweep the Rabaul area, New Britain Island, claiming 6 Zekes shot down. 6
B-24's bomb Kavieng, New Ireland Island, and several others abort due to bad
weather. 6 B-25's bomb Moisuru a bivouac area near Kahili, on Bougainville
Island and 15 more hit supply areas near the Buka Passage.
  23d Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 5th Bombardment Group (Heavy), begins
movement from Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides Islands to Munda, New Georgia
Island with B-24's.

SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AREA (SWPA, Fifth Air Force): 50+ B-24's and B-25's bomb
the Alexishafen area in New Guinea. 20+ A-20's hit positions at Borgen Bay,
New Britain Island.
  388th Bombardment Squadron (Light), 312th Bombardment Group (Light),
transfers from Port Moresby to Gusap, New Guinea with P-40's; first mission
is 13 Jan; they will transition to A-20's in Feb.

SOURCES:
AIR FORCE COMBAT UNITS OF WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force History,
  Headquarters USAF, 1961, ISBN 0-912799-02-1
COMBAT SQUADRONS OF THE AIR FORCE, WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force
  History, Headquarters USAF 1982
THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY, 1941-1945 by the
  Office of Air Force History, Headquarters USAF, 1973
THE MIGHTY EIGHTH WAR DIARY by Roger A. Freeman, ISBN 1-85409-071-2

Jack McKillop
USAF (Airways and Air Communications Service)
1955-59

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:50:43 EST
From:    "William B. Thacker" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: your mail

> I am sure that everyone on this list has heard of the Holocaust.  My
> question is, "How many non-Jewish people died in the camps during World
> War II?"  Does anyone have any numbers and perhaps a breakdown by sex,
> crime (political, criminal, mental), age, religion, etc.

In _The Pink Triangle_, Robert Plant estimates that between 5000 and 15000
male homosexuals died in the camps.  Homosexuality was considered a
criminal behavior, so they would fall in the "criminal" category you
suggest above.  A small number of lesbians were apparently sent to the
camps for morality crimes, apparently on the order of a dozen or less.

When you say "died in the camps", do you include POW camps?  If so, the
next largest number will probably be Russion prisoners of war; millions of
them died in German captivity, I'm not sure if a close tally has ever been
made.

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Bill Thacker             AT&T Network Systems       attmail!att!cbemf!wbt
(614) 860-5294           Columbus, Ohio              [email-masked]
                      Humpty Dumpty was pushed!

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:07:14 EST
From:    Ron Babuka <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: your mail

While not fimiliar enough with the numbers to list them with any degree
of confidence - the Germans were also responsible for the death of ethnic
Gypsies that ran into the millions.

Ron Babuka

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 16:45:28 EST
From:    Larry & Kim Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: ADMIN: The Holocaust...

...was one of the major reasons people thought this list would never survive.
Thus my prohibition regarding the subject. After some watching and an
evaluation of the caliber of people who subscribe to this list I think I
can make a conditional suspension of that portion of the charter. By
"conditional" I mean that as long as the tenor of the conversation remains
at the current level of the list I will allow discussion of the topic. I
reserve the right to "come down like a ton of bricks" if the postings
start to get out of control.

I would also suggest that those deeply interested in the topic look into
the list dedicated to the Holocaust. I'll append the full list of H-Net
mailings list, which includes the address for the aforementioned list.

I have been, on the whole, very impressed with the membership of this list
and I know that I will continue to be impressed.

servabo fidem,
Larry J

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:49:10 -0600
From:    WILLIAM HUBER - SCDR <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: your mail

In Bill Thacker's message of  3 Jan 1994 at 1510 CST, he writes:

> In _The Pink Triangle_, Robert Plant estimates that between 5000 and 15000
> male homosexuals died in the camps.  Homosexuality was considered a
> criminal behavior, so they would fall in the "criminal" category you
> suggest above.
> Bill Thacker

Hi Folks,

Bill is quite right about homosexuals being a target despite the
number that helped the Nazis come to power in the early days (Ernst
Ro"hm et al) but during the time that prisoners were required to wear
distinctive insignias and numbers on their stripped uniforms there
was a color system so that jailers could tell at a glance who they
were dealing with.  Pink, as Bill mentioned was for homosexuals but
convicted criminals had a color of their own - green?  At Dachau and
Mauthausen there are breakdowns of the inmates they held by type and
nationality.  The color system was also explained but my feeble brain
seems to have lost its pointers to that data.  I know Red was for
communists but there was also a color for political prisoners and
another color for dissident clergy in addition to the Star of David
for Jewish inmates.  BTW, if a prisoner was a communist Jew he would
wear a red triangle over the yellow one forming his Star of David.
The 6 pointed star was formed with two triangles one over the other
but inversely juxtaposed.

Later in the war when the camps saw a lot more traffic the color and
number system was not adhered to as much.  It was hard enough getting
uniforms for all the prisoners to worry about making sure the number
on the coat and pants matched the number on the wrist and that the
color code was right.

Interestingly, the son of a high ranking Danish official was caught
in Hamburg by police participating in homosexual behavior and turned
over the the GESTAPO.  The Nazis used him as a hostage by telling
the father that if he did not ensure that the Danish army stood down
during the German occupation that the boy would be sent to a
concentration camp.  As I recall I read this in an issue of _The
Military Advisor_ but I can't recall which issue or who the Dane was
that had enough power to send the entire Danish army, navy and
boarder guard police home for the weekend while the Germans moved in.
As I recall, the Germans did release the son as they agreed.

Funny how the fate of a nation can come to hang on the fate of a
single person....

Regards, Bill Huber / [email-masked]

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:55:33 -0500
From:    GEORGE BAUER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: The Holocaust...

I was intrigued with the comment by someone that they were impressed with
the memberhsip of this list.  And that they knew they would continue to
be impressed...

CAn someone explain that comment for me?

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 17:23:09 EST5EDT
From:    Jon Kay <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: The Holocaust...

=|>...was one of the major reasons people thought this list would never survive.
=|>Thus my prohibition regarding the subject. After some watching and an
=|>evaluation of the caliber of people who subscribe to this list I think I
=|>can make a conditional suspension of that portion of the charter. By
=|>"conditional" I mean that as long as the tenor of the conversation remains
=|>at the current level of the list I will allow discussion of the topic. I
=|>reserve the right to "come down like a ton of bricks" if the postings
=|>start to get out of control.

Yeah, I agree. The holocaust is such an incredibly sensitive subject
that it only takes one insensitive (and ignorant) moron to ruin
everything for everybody. I'd like to echo the administrator's
thoughts : As a student of world war II (and as a jew, I might add
paranthetically) I have been greatly impressed with the intellelctual
content of this list and the sensitivity shown by the contributors.

I am TOTALLY in favor of administrator censure of inappropriate
postings. I was on a pretty good list called BELIEF-L but it was
ruined because a handful of people were using it as a pulpit for
homophobic and other hateful things. Given the calibre of people on
this list, I have every confidence that this will not happen.

Looking forward to another stimulating year or discourse,

--- Leaves of 3, let it be... Leaves of 4, eat some more !!! ---

above message from : [email-masked]

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 19:29:20 GMT
From:    Ray 'HURRICANE' Whiteley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Closure of famous wartime pub.

Will you kindly pass this information on to other lists that may be interested.
The Marquis of Granby in Binbrook, Lincolnshire closed on the 18th December 1993.
This most famous pub is well known throughout the world and will surely be missed
by many squadrons and associations. Air and ground crews of all nations stationed
anywhere near RAF Binbrook will know it well.
The company who own it say it is no longer viable. ;-(
Once again another piece of our aeronautical history is liable to be lost!
Perhaps a few letters from around the world will make them change their minds.

    Godfrey Charterhouse.
    Property Director,
    Century Inns Ltd.
    Belasis Business Centre,
    Belasis Hall Technology Park,
    Coxwold Way,
    Billingham,
    Cleveland.   UK.  (0642) 343426

Many thanks to you all.
                           Ray Whiteley
                                        Ex:- C/Obs Royal Observer Corps.
                                        Email:- [email-masked]

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 18:53:16 EST
From:    Larry & Kim Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: The Holocaust...

> I was intrigued with the comment by someone that they were impressed with
> the memberhsip of this list.  And that they knew they would continue to
> be impressed...
>
> CAn someone explain that comment for me?
>
That was me. I am impressed by the membership for several reasons. First is
that I seldom have to "moderate" this list (some folks have said there was
no moderator at all :-). You people are self-regulating insofar as there
are very few flame-war in our history and those were short lived. You've
been thoughtful, considerate and courteous to each other. Compared to some
lists WWII-L is an oasis of sanity.

I'm also impressed with the diversity of this list. Over 20 countries have
been represented on the list. The "pool" of talent is also impressive. Very
few questions have gone unanswered and even with 30 years of reading on the
subject I am still being surprised with "new" information on a frequent
basis.

When I started this list I was assured that the revisonists would "storm"
the list and I'd have nothing useful come through their noise. I've had
few such problems and haven't had to "nuke" any site. I think that if the
neo's tried to give me a problem the membership would stand by me since
you people have a good thing going here and know it.

As I've said before, I'm the conductor on this train, just punching tickets,
not the conductor of an orchestra, calling every note. And I like it that
way.

Enough babble,
Larry J

[email-masked]; Listowner: WWII-L; Moderator: BYRD.MU.WVNET.EDU
"Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly
unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all phases of life."
Your Horoscope" L.A. Evening Herald Express, Sat, 12/06/41

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 08:58:11 +0100
From:    John Ausland <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ARC: SPINOFFS FROM LETTERS HOME

  Oslo, January 3.  FOR GEORGE BAUER
  The information I had in my IHT article about the QE during WWII was taken
from a book I found in the library of the QEII.  Sorry, I no longer have the
notes I took.  As I recall, the QE originally was used to carry Australian
troops, about 5,000 at a time.  When the US took it over, it tore out all
unnecessary facilities, except for the dining room and lounge for officers.  As
a result, it was able to triple the number carried, by having the enlisted men
sleep in shifts.
  During the voyage I was on, it sailed from New York to a bay in Scotland.  We
were carried ashore on small boats.
  Regards, John Ausland/Oslo Norway

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 18:44:43 -0500
From:    GEORGE BAUER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: The Holocaust...

ONe more question...

Who are the "you people" you refer to?  Twice?  Forgive me if I am a
bit too sensitive...

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 18:49:11 -0500
From:    GEORGE BAUER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ARC: SPINOFFS FROM LETTERS HOME

John Ausland:

I'm sorry.   I think I made a mistake.  I looked at my notes again, and
it appears my Czech friend flew escort for the QM to England.  I'll
ask him again for more details when I see him again.

Thanks for your information.

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 19:07:18 -0600
From:    Judi Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Volunteers Requested

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW WITH
PRE-COLLEGE STUDENTS AND TEACHERS BY ELECTRONIC MAIL?

Recent estimates indicate that there are now more than
300,000 classroom teachers from primary, middle, and
secondary schools who hold accounts on the Internet.
This makes a very special kind of learning available to
them: one which directly involves subject matter experts
communicating with students and teachers about their
specialties, via electronic mail.

With support from the Texas Center for Educational
Technology, we (at the University of Texas at Austin)
have piloted and are now expanding an Internet-based
service (the "Electronic Emissary") that brings together
pre-college students, their teachers, and subject matter
experts (SMEs) electronically, helping them to create
telecomputing exchanges centered around the students'
learning in the SMEs' disciplines.  For example,

*  A class studying South America could learn about
recent global environmental research results from a
scientist who studies rainforest deforestation in
Brazil.

*  A class studying geometry might "talk" electronically
with Euclid, who is actually a mathematics professor.

*  A class studying the future of education might
converse with an emerging technologies specialist from
California's Silicon Valley.

*  A class studying American History might
electronically interview Harry Truman, who is really a
curator with the National Archives.

*  A class exploring the rapidly-changing governmental
structures that are emerging in what was once the Soviet
Union might correspond with a group of graduate
political science students at a university in the CIS.

*  Or, a class reading _Huckleberry Finn_ might
correspond with an African-American studies scholar
about the repercussions resulting from the enacting of
the Emancipation Proclamation.

In successive phases of the project, increasing numbers
of SMEs or SME groups are needed to correspond regularly
(approximately 4 times per week) with primary, middle
school, or secondary students and their teachers (1 SME
or expert group per class, study group, or "special
student").  Each electronic exchange will begin with
approximately 2 weeks of project planning via electronic
mail between the SMEs and the teachers.  Communications
with students will begin on mutually convenient dates,
and will continue for previously-arranged periods of
time, usually between 2 and 10 weeks.

Subject matter expert volunteers are sought in all
disciplines, but there is immediate need for SMEs with
expertise in:

~  gravity and satellite motion
~  heat transfer
~  Hitler's rise to power during World War II
~  the Indian Wars (1870's & 1880's)
~  20th century fragmentation due to weapons of war,
   especially the atom bomb
~  Maya Angelou (and other women in literature)
~  Native American literature, specifically Cherokee
~  George Orwell's _Animal Farm_ & Russian revolutions
~  personal finance
~  geometry

==> If you would like to find out more about
==> participating in this project, please send
==> electronic mail to Judi Harris, [email-masked].
==> Please include your name, institution, and areas of
==> expertise.

==> PLEASE RESPOND ASAP; teacher-SME pairs in the
==> specific areas requested above will be formed on
==> 1/12/93.

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 20:15:05 EST
From:    Larry & Kim Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: The Holocaust...

> ONe more question...
>
> Who are the "you people" you refer to?  Twice?  Forgive me if I am a
> bit too sensitive...
>
I was addressing the list at large. WWII-L seems to attract a more
reasonable membership than some lists (the signal-to-noise ratio is much
higher than some of the lists I lurk on).

The "you people" phraseology comes from wayyyy too many years in the USN.
"We people" would have probably been more exact.

Larry J

[email-masked]; Listowner: WWII-L; Moderator: BYRD.MU.WVNET.EDU
"Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly
unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all phases of life."
Your Horoscope" L.A. Evening Herald Express, Sat, 12/06/41

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Date:    Mon, 3 Jan 1994 22:29:38 CST
From:    phyllis soybel <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: your mail

On Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:07:14 EST Ron Babuka said:
>While not fimiliar enough with the numbers to list them with any degree
>of confidence - the Germans were also responsible for the death of ethnic
>Gypsies that ran into the millions.
>
>
>Ron Babuka

Ron, I didn't think that there were millions of gypsies period--I think,
in total, approximately 12-14 million people died in the camps or as part
of extermination squads set up in Poland, Russia, etc by the German
"machine." Approx. 6 million were Jews, 4 million were "ethnic" Poles, the rest
were Russians, gypsies, communists, homosexuals, etc... The problem is that
the approximation comes from the early part of the "final solution, when
mass shooting, gas trucks, etc. were employed on sight by the German SS. While
the Germans were excellent record keepers, even today we are uncertain as to
how the breakdown went.

Phyllis Soybel
University of Illinois, Chicago

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