Subject: WWII-L Digest - 15 Mar 1994 to 16 Mar 1994

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There are 42 messages totalling 1057 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. March 18, 1994, Hail and Farewell
  2. TARAWA (3)
  3. QUEST: Explain USA Officer Ranks
  4. UTAH Beach (2)
  5. INF: USAAF 16 MAR 44
  6. Burtonwood Assn.
  7. When was WWII? (2)
  8. <No subject given> (2)
  9. Nost: 8th AF Patch
 10. Nost: Cinque Terre
 11. To Terry Moore
 12. TRV: Trains ran on time
 13. ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on 18 March.
 14. Re[2]: ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on 18 March.
 15. ADMIN.
 16. World at war....... (4)
 17. thanks and new likst
 18. GAMES:
 19. This list needs a new owner! (2)
 20. Info: wireless radios
 21. ADMIN Thanks to ALL
 22. continuing this list (2)
 23. ADMIN: SOS received, help on the way! (2)
 24. testing so forget it
 25. Poland Defeated The Red Army!
 26. MEDIA: "Rosey The Riveter"
 27. Wildcats v. Zeros
 28. Accolade even from Attila?!
 29. Addr: ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on March 18
 30. H-NET:  WWII-L -- "unmoderated and unused" (!!!!)
 31. H-NET comments on WWII-L

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:15:55 EST
From:    "CARL WERNKE (TCWERNC@VCCSCENT)" <[email-masked]>
Subject: March 18, 1994, Hail and Farewell

 X-To: [email-masked]
 To: Multiple Recipients of List WWII-L ([email-masked])

 Larry and Kim,

 I have been a list member for approximately six months and have enjoyed the
 diversified and cogent interaction of all involved. It was a rewarding
 learning experience, even for a member of academia. You maintained an
 exemplary level of decorum, and exercised effective leadership.

 We wish you good health and success in all your future endeavors and hope to
 see you back on station very soon. I am sure the entire list will miss your
 professional guidance and expertise in management. Any future list will not
 be the same without you.

 Well done (BRAVO ZULU). May you always sail with fair winds and following
 seas.

 Carl Wernke
 [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:31:44 -0600
From:    Jon Stevens <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: TARAWA

If anyone is interested:

My father, a USMC WWII vet and a cartographer, made a highly detailed map
of the Betio Island Japenese defenses in 1968.  This map was featured in
the book _76 hours- The Invasion of Tarawa_ by Eric Hammel.  He spent
quite a long time researching this map from all the Marine Corps sources
he could get and from his own experiences in the battle for Betio.  The
original is approximately 3 feet by 5 feet.  A smaller version, that
measures 11 inches by 25 inches, was printed in quantity and has been
sitting in my basement for quite a while.  If anyone is interested in
obtaining a copy of it please email to me privatly.  This map was also
used by Leatherneck Magazine in the mid-1980's.

This list has been great!  I have also learned alot in the few months
that I have been on the list.  I have really enjoyed the dialogue that
has literally reached around the world, from Iceland, to Austrailia,
Japan, and other places.

Would it be possible to shift some of this discussion to the
military history mailbase in the UK?

Jon Stevens email - [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 01:12:22 CST
From:    Steve Alvin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: TARAWA

Jon,

I am interested in the map.  Please let me not the info you
need.

Thanks,

--
Steve Alvin
[email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 01:25:46 CST
From:    Steve Alvin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: TARAWA

Geeesh! "Please let me not the info you need."  Some days it doesn't
pay to get on the computer (today is one of them).  I apologize to
the list.  My previous msg was supposed to be sent directly to
Jon.  I should have said:  "Please let me know what info you
need."

Sorry,

--
Steve Alvin
[email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:54:20 CET
From:    "LTC Donnell, Doug" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: QUEST: Explain USA Officer Ranks

Hi Chuck,
Thanks for your note.  I tried to reply but the mail server kicked it
back.  Apologies to the list, but I did want Chuck to know I DO answer
my mail.

WRT the story about shooting the troops that break ranks, the fellow
who told me the tale (a normally realiable history major) indicated
that the problem was not, obviously, the first troop that broke and
fled, but the fact that once the first did it others were likely
to follow, thus it was best to nip the problem at the bud.

And, nope, I probably wouldn't, but then I'm one of those Air Force
"softies".
                      Doug Donnell
                      Ruppertsweiler

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:18:50 -0500
From:    Daniel Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: UTAH Beach

>From left to right (west to east) they were Utah and Omaha (American),
Gold (British), Juno (Canadian), and Sword (British).

Dan Ford      <e-mail: [email-masked]>

              <postal: 433 Bay Road, Durham NH 03824 USA>
              <voice or fax: +1-603-868-5850>

On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, LEE YU JIN wrote:

>  >I wish I knew why the beach names (Utah, Omaha, Gold, Silver, and Juno)
>  >    were chosen.
>
>  >  Doug McCabe
>
> Was there a Silver Beach?  As far as I've read,there was a Sword Beach.
>
> Lee Yu Jin
> [email-masked]
>

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:08:00 EST
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: INF: USAAF 16 MAR 44

COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES
THURSDAY, 16 MARCH 1944
FTP SITES
  1. ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf
  2. byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152) in pub/history/military/airforce/
     wwii_chronology

AIRCRAFT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
  A-20, Douglas Havoc
  B-17, Boeing Flying Fortress
  B-24, Consolidated Liberator
  B-25, North American Mitchell
  F-5, Lockheed Lightning
  F-6, North American Mustang
  P-38, Lockheed Lightning
  P-39, Bell Airacobra
  P-40, Curtiss
  P-47, Republic Thunderbolt
  P-51, North American Mustang
  PBY, Consolidated Catalina

AMERICAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  ALASKA (Eleventh Air Force): 3 B-24s take off from Shemya Island shortly
before midnight 15/16 Mar to fly armed reconnaissance over Matsuwa Island,
Kurile Islands, but turn back prematurely. Some of the bombers jettison
their bombloads over the target area.

CHINA-BURMA-INDIA (CBI) THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  BURMA-INDIA (Tenth Air Force): 6 B-25s damage a bridge at Nattalin near
Rangoon, Burma.

  CHINA (Fourteenth Air Force): In China, 7 P-40s on a Yangtze River sweep
damage 2 launches near Yoyang and pound barracks and storage at Sienning.

EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)

  STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 262: 2 primary targets and
targets of opportunity in Germany are attacked; fighter opposition is heavy
against the first force of bombers over France and Germany; the bombers claim
68-32-43 Luftwaffe aircraft; 23 bombers and 10 fighters are lost and 179
damaged:
  1. 401 of 501 B-17s hit Augsburg, 46 bomb Gessertshausen and 18 hit Ulm; 18
B-17s are lost; casualties are 1 KIA, 10 WIA and 171 MIA.
  2. 197 of 213 B-24s bomb Friedrichshafen and 13 hit targets of opportunity;
5 B-24s are lost and 1 damaged beyond repair; casualties are 6 KIA, 7 WIA and
46 MIA.
  Escort is provided by 125 P-38s, 608 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-47s and
135 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51s; claims and losses are:
  1. P-38s: 1 lost.
  2. P-47s claim 25-3-17 Luftwaffe aircraft; 3 P-47s are lost and 5 damaged;
3 pilots are MIA.
  3. P-51s claim 53-4-16 Luftwaffe aircraft; 6 P-51s are lost, 2 damaged
beyond repair and 5 damaged; 6 pilots are MIA.
  The fighters also claim 1-0-13 Luftwaffe aircraft on the ground.

  TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): 15th Tactical Reconnaissance
Squadron, 67th Tactical Reconnaissance Group, moves from Chilboton to Middle
Wallop, England with F-6s.

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)

  TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Twelfth Air Force): In Italy, light, medium and
fighter-bombers blast gun positions in the Cassino-Piedimonte area as the
battle of Cassino rages on; fighter-bombers also hit gun positions along
the Anzio beachhead front.

PACIFIC OCEAN AREA (POA, Seventh Air Force): B-25s from Tarawa Atoll and
Abemama Island pound Wotje and Mille Atolls and Ormed Island, Marshall
Islands.

SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (SOPAC, Thirteenth Air Force): On New Britain Island, 13
B-24s bomb Vunakanau Airfield, and 12 B-25s follow with a raid on Vunakanau
radar installations; 9 B-25s, 12 P-39s, and 11 P-40s hit Wunapope supply
areas; 10 P-38s attack Cape Tawui while 11 B-25s pound the N edge of Simpson
Harbor; and 7 P-38s strafe barges W of Raluana Point. At Monoitu Mission on
Bougainville Island, a raid by B-24s demolishes several buildings.

SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AREA (SWPA, Fifth Air Force): On New Guinea, 70+ B-24s,
B-25s and A-20s hit AA positions, buildings and salvage dumps at Wewak and
nearby Brandi Plantation; 19 B-25s bomb personnel and storage areas at Nubia;
and B-24s and Catalinas attack a Japanese convoy near Hollandia. Other B-24s
bomb docks and factory area at Soerabaja, Java.
  8th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron, 6th Photographic Reconnaissance
Group, moves from Port Moresby to Nadzab, New Guinea with F-5s.

SOURCES:
AIR FORCE COMBAT UNITS OF WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force History,
  Headquarters USAF, 1961, ISBN 0-912799-02-1
COMBAT SQUADRONS OF THE AIR FORCE, WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force
  History, Headquarters USAF 1982
THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY, 1941-1945 by the
  Office of Air Force History, Headquarters USAF, 1973
THE MIGHTY EIGHTH WAR DIARY by Roger A. Freeman, ISBN 1-85409-071-2

Jack McKillop
USAF (Airways and Air Communications Service)
1955-59

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:43:52 -0500
From:    "J.M.Ruel" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Burtonwood Assn.

Looking for anyone serving at RAF Station Burtonwood form it's beginning to
it's closure in Aug. of 1993. E-Mail me  or snail mail me at James M. Ruel 302
Peachorchard Ave. Dayton, Oh 45419. Thanks and I am looking forward to the
rebirth.

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:04:55 +0200
From:    PIETER2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: When was WWII?

I would just like to remind the masses that WWII occured between 1939
and 1945, just in case someone has forgotten.

I unsubscribing after three days, maybe these a real discussion group
out there (mode decals for goodness sake!).

Bye.

Kevin+-----------------------------------------+
| Kevin Pietersen                         |
| E-mail: [email-masked] |
| Department of Geology & Applied Geology |
| University of Natal (Durban)            |
| Tel: RSA-031-260-1277                   |
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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:06:02 +0200
From:    PIETER2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: <No subject given>

unsubscribe+-----------------------------------------+
| Kevin Pietersen                         |
| E-mail: [email-masked] |
| Department of Geology & Applied Geology |
| University of Natal (Durban)            |
| Tel: RSA-031-260-1277                   |
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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:24:15 CST
From:    Tim not Timothy Scherrer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Nost: 8th AF Patch

I have just about gotten my pinks and chocolate brown jacket class "A"
uniform for WWII USAAF, 8th AF completed.  I am missing one small
detail---I need a WWII original or reproduction (prefer repro) 8th AF
stubby wing patch.  Anyone have one they want to sell---or anyone know
where I can get one.  I need this by middle April----help!!!!!!!!

************************************************************************
*  Tim A. Scherrer          "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of   *
*  Facilities Supervisor     your life", Ron Scherrer, 1971            *
*  WP:816-785-5253                                                     *
*  HP:816-665-6704                                                     *
*  ID# [email-masked]                             *
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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:50:35 EST
From:    Bill Vasilion <[email-masked]>
Subject: <No subject given>

           Thanks to Larry for keeping this list going. I have enjoyed
       the subject matter.
           Jack you are right, that is the movie's name.
           Did anyone keep last june 6'ths d day cartoon by charles
        Schultz??? I did and found it very touching....with snoopy
         landing on the beach....and the words 'to remember'
     I hope more people remember...............
             bill

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:27:56 EST
From:    Aldo <[email-masked]>
Subject: Nost: Cinque Terre

Does anyone know the extent of fighting around the Northern Ligurian
cost, specifically in or around 5 little fishing villages called the
Cinque Terre (5 towns S of Porto Fino).  In the town with the best
harbor there is a small pill-box remaining, but nothing more.  I know
el duce had train trackes laid from Genoa (and the trains were on
time!!), but nothing more.

I was thinking (and I know this is not a novel idea) a book on how
the war affected the grape farmers & fishermen would be interesting.

Anyway, just curious if anyone knows anything about the fighting,
important ports, bases of operations etc... or could direct me to a
book.

Many thanks.

Aldo M. Hubert
                                           [email-masked]
University of North Carolina at Greensboro
800 Oakland Ave.
Greensboro NC 27412

Sic Friatur Crustum Dulce

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:39:57 GMT-6
From:    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: When was WWII?

Hello, Kevin!

I don't know if you know Mr. Chris Scoggings in the Computer Science
Dept. there, but you get me his e-mail address and forward it to me.
I would greatly appreciate that.

Thanks.

Terry

Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
fax 806-371-5370

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:56:57 GMT-6
From:    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: To Terry Moore

Hello, Gudmundur!

Here is my e-mail address and we will be in touch with each other. I
will be posting you some info on the projects you requested. Here
goes:

    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>

I, too, am very sad and dismayed that the list is at an end. I will
write anyone who writes and vice versa as long as I have the e-mail
address.

Please let me know what is going on, and I will be sending you other
info.

Terry

Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
fax 806-371-5370

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:26:04 -0500
From:    Barone <[email-masked]>
Subject: TRV: Trains ran on time

        Aldo's question concerning Cinque Terre made a reference to the
trains running on time during Mussolini's reign.  Unfortunately, I cannot
answer his question but I remember how this phrase came into being.  This
is mildly off-topic but does deal with Mussolini so I think it's appropriate.
Shortly before Mussolini came to power in 1922, the Italian government was at
odds with the railroad unions.  The workers threatened to strike and paralyze
the country.  The government did not accede to their demands and a strike was
called.  Mussolini and his Fascists volunteered to scab for the government
which agreed.  As a result, "the trains ran on time."  The strike collapsed
and the union members eventually went back to work.  I cannot recall the
reference from which I obtained this, though.
--
Joe Barone
[email-masked]
How can you call yourself the communications officer when you aren't
communicatin'?  You're more like a military censor!

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:07:23 -0600
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on 18 March.

We've had a BITNET outage in these areas and messages are backlogged up to a
week.  But, for some reason, this message came through almost immediately
(though I am still otherwise getting messages created on and around the 10th.)

My thanks also to Larry and exceptional management of the list.  It has been
of great interest and assistance to me.  Since I don't know how the BITNET
link will handle these last messages, when I will see the last ones or whether
this will actually hit the reflector before it closes, I just hope that anyone
who happens to see it will keep in touch.

I still look forward to a reprieve :-) or for a new list with the same good
qualities as Larry brought to this one...  Thanks oodles (even if I'm not so
interested in the Navy... :-) :-)

> Thanks to everyone for an interesting couple of years and keep the candles
> lit until the light come back on, on Broadway.

--
Robert J. Granvin                                             [email-masked]
University of Minnesota, School of Statistics
         "I'm my father?  I'm my mother?  I'm chipped beef on toast?"

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:27:35 -0600
From:    "WILLIAM L. HUBER - SAA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on 18 March.

> I always
> watched World at War every Sunday at 10:30 p.m.  Now I am 29 years
> old and I still like WW2 However, until I found the list I always thought I
> was a bit of a geek -- It's been great to know
> that many people share the same interests.  Thanks
>
> Andy Charrier

Hi Andy,

We watched it together - I was just in San Antonio, Texas. :-)

Cheers, Bill   ([email-masked])

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 18:42:06 GMT
From:    Dmitri Brasoun <[email-masked]>
Subject: ADMIN.

Dear all!

When today after interrupt I returned to my computer
I found out bad news: the list is closed.
I subscribed only one week and it happened...

Anyway, thanks to all for fruitfull discussion (too short for me).
If one day you visit Russia (or you are going to do so already),
please, come to Perm. To understand Russia being in Moscow is
impossible.(It looks like on the try to understand USA being in the
center of New-Jork). It is usual mistake all who arrive in Russia.

By this reason I invite everybody to me. You will my guests.
Haven't any doubts.

My adress: Russia , Perm, st.Krisanov 3-72, phone: 33-36-64

e-mail: [email-masked] (it's necessary to add - Bratsoun Dmitry,
Theoretical Physics Department)

GO INSIDE!
                                        Dmitry.

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:46:54 EST
From:    Bill Vasilion <[email-masked]>
Subject: World at war.......

             yes that tv series was very good......especially the
         first two chapters on germany and Hitlers rise to power....

                      bill

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:12:59 MET-1
From:    Bognar Attila <[email-masked]>
Subject: thanks and new likst

Larry,
I have only been on this list for only a couple of weeks and it has
been the only one. I want you to know what joining this list meant to
me.
Before that I was only using computers for writing and printing
letters and papers for my classes. Now I feel that somehow a window
opened on the world for me. What's more a wonderful one where various
discussions are going on on my favourite topic.
I just can not believe that all this is falling into dark.
I am glad that this list exists, that these people are members and
that we are interested in the same things. And I am glad to those
people who made this possible. Thank you very much.

I understand that this was a difficult decision for you. I can
imagine how painful it is for you. I have my deepest sympathy. Every
time I will get a message from anybody I met through this list, or I
send them one - you will come to my mind and I will make a wish for
your speedy and coplete recovery. (I don't know whether this is the
best way of saying all this or not, but my English lets me down
sometimes. Still we are good friends.)

I would like to stay in this company, read their messages every day.
Believe it or not, though it only had been a couple of weeks, it's
like losing a friend. Is there a way to save the list? Is there
anybody who is willing to take over?
I hope there is! Plese let me know what sould I do to stay on the
list or to enroll to the new one.

I do hope you will get back soon and healthy.

If you happen to come this way some day please don't hesitate to drop
me a line and don't worry about accomodation and guides.

Attila Bognar
24/5 Otemeto^-koz,
H-7625 Pe'cs, Hungary.

Thanks again and all the best!

Attila   [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:19:07 EST
From:    Doug McCabe <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: UTAH Beach

                   Ohio University Electronic Communication

   Date:  16-Mar-1994 01:14pm EST

     To:  Remote Addressee                     ( _MX%"[email-masked]" )

   From:  Doug McCabe                                Dept:  Library
          MCCABE                                   Tel No:  (614) 593-2715

Subject:  Re: UTAH Beach

    Duh, what was I thinking when I said there was a "Silver" Beach in
    Normandy?  Could it have been an Olympian slip?  Just another reason to
    beware of the Ides of March.  Thanks Lee Yu Jin for the correction.

    Doug McCabe

Received:  16-Mar-1994 01:19pm

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:31:23 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: GAMES:

Silvio,

     There have already been two games on this topic at div.
level:

     DESTRUCTION OF ARMY GROUP CENTER, by SPI (197?)

     RED ARMY, by GDW (198?)

     You might want to examine these.

Lou Coatney

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:36:21 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: This list needs a new owner!

Sure, I'd be willing!  But I'm out of here -- the Library,
  anyway -- as of June 30.

Lou

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:45:21 EST
From:    S214000 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Info: wireless radios

Hello everyone,
a friend of mine would like to know where he can find the technical
specs. for the radios used by the U.S ground forces of World War II.
Specifically, range, models, etc..., and whether the Army, the Marine
Corps used the same or different systems.
Thanks, Mike Wilson<[email-masked]>

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:48:35 EST
From:    Mike Long <[email-masked]>
Subject: ADMIN Thanks to ALL

Thanks guys,
This list has been an invaluable resource. I've really appreciated almost
everything about every topic discussed (the exception being this most
recent "camp" thread). Thanks Larry for informing me of this list as well
as sci.military, years ago on alt.war or whatever that gulf war flame fest list
was called, and for doing such a great job with moderating this list.
Please keep me on the list of people to inform about WWII-l II.

Thanks again,

Michael Long
UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT
196 AUDITORIUM ROAD, U-138    |   BITNET: [email-masked]
STORRS, CONNECTICUT, USA      | INTERNET: [email-masked]
                   06269-3138 |    PHONE: (203) 486-1352

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:24:04 EST
From:    Ron Babuka <[email-masked]>
Subject: continuing this list

SO far we have Lou who might be willing to continue this list on
until the end of June and last I knew Joe Barone said he might
be willing to keep the list going?  (Am I correct?)  If no one
else speaks up by tomorrow I will speak with my elders (head honchos at
Cornell) to see if I would be allowed to administer this list
(they might object resource on some innane matter) if we can't come to
some decision for this list.  (geez I really thought that there would
be more fight to keep this list alive!)

Ron Babuka

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:02:10 EST
From:    Larry & Kim Jewell <[email-masked]>
Subject: ADMIN: SOS received, help on the way!

We are in the process of changing listowners. After a palaver with the
new owner I'll officially pass the torch.

Change of command ceremonies will be at time to be announced. Uniform is
undress housecoats and M43 caps.

WWII-L lives.

Larry J

[email-masked]; Co-Moderator: BYRD.MU.WVNET.EDU (Historical docs)
"Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange, sudden and wholly
unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all phases of life."
Your Horoscope" L.A. Evening Herald Express, Sat, 12/06/41

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:11:21 PST
From:    "Jones, Scott T." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: World at war.......

     Does anybody know of a way to get a copy/tapes of the World at War
     series? I have tried Blockbuster Video and a couple of other little
     video shops to no avail. Any ideas out there?

     Scott Jones
     [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 17 Mar 1994 08:45:23 +1000
From:    Derek Monz <[email-masked]>
Subject: testing so forget it

This testing my own mailer to see if ti is working,... we had a crash th
other day.

EMail:  [email-masked]  Msc (Geology)@ JCU 1993
       Disclamer: - I didn't do it!
" If there is anything more important than my Ego.....
                 I want it taken out and shot!"  (Zaphod Beablbrox (HHGTTG)).

                            ((-------))
                                \o/
                                 |
                               _/ \_

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:11:10 -0800
From:    John Riegsecker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: World at war.......

Scott,

>     Does anybody know of a way to get a copy/tapes of the World at War
>     series? I have tried Blockbuster Video and a couple of other little
>     video shops to no avail. Any ideas out there?
>
>     Scott Jones
>     [email-masked]

I believe I have seen it advertised in my local Public TV catalog.  I know
for sure they have Victroy at Sea.  It's worth at least a look.

John Riegsecker                                 (206) 756-3566
Dept of Math and Computer Science               [email-masked]
University of Puget Sound

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:11:32 -0600
From:    "WILLIAM L. HUBER - SAA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: World at war.......

>      Does anybody know of a way to get a copy/tapes of the World at War
>      series? I have tried Blockbuster Video and a couple of other little
>      video shops to no avail. Any ideas out there?
>
>      Scott Jones

Hi Scott,

You might try the library.  Our library in Italy (San Vito AS) had the
GI - Diary series, War at Sea, and some others.  I just set up two
VCRs in line hit play on #1, record on #2 and watched them on the TV
as I made my copy.

There are also some video catalogs out that specialize in that sort
of thing.  I may have one at home.  Stay tuned and I'll let you know.

Cheers, Bill Huber / [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:33:35 -0600
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: continuing this list

In message World War II Discussion List writes:
> SO far we have Lou who might be willing to continue this list on
> until the end of June and last I knew Joe Barone said he might
> be willing to keep the list going?  (Am I correct?)  If no one
> else speaks up by tomorrow I will speak with my elders (head honchos at
> Cornell) to see if I would be allowed to administer this list
> (they might object resource on some innane matter) if we can't come to
> some decision for this list.  (geez I really thought that there would
> be more fight to keep this list alive!)

There is, and I've forwarded my name as someone who will _assist_ with the
administration if people are needed, but I also realize that I can't give it
the same attention that Larry did and one thing is for certain -- it needs
that level of caring and attention.  If I can assist, I'll be happy to, but
I know I can't do what Larry has accomplished.  (Resources might be available
here in some manner, but I question whether I could get unanimous approval
for something that isn't entirely "school related."  That could be politically
difficult...)-:

--
Robert J. Granvin                                             [email-masked]
University of Minnesota, School of Statistics
         "I'm my father?  I'm my mother?  I'm chipped beef on toast?"

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 18:03:24 -0600
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: SOS received, help on the way!

In message World War II Discussion List writes:
> We are in the process of changing listowners. After a palaver with the
> new owner I'll officially pass the torch.
>
> Change of command ceremonies will be at time to be announced. Uniform is
> undress housecoats and M43 caps.
>
> WWII-L lives.

Miss Mitchell will perform a live fly by salute for all list members
(provided that everyone goes to one of the shows that she appears at :-).

Cool.  Anxiously awaiting details...

(I don't have a housecoat and M43 cap.  Can I substitute with a red bathrobe
and Miss Mitchell cap?)

--
Robert J. Granvin                                             [email-masked]
University of Minnesota, School of Statistics
         "I'm my father?  I'm my mother?  I'm chipped beef on toast?"

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Date:    Thu, 17 Mar 1994 07:08:16 +0700
From:    "Peter E. Beal" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Poland Defeated The Red Army!

On Mon, 14 Mar 1994, Barone wrote:
>
>         Stalin succeeded quite well in that regard!  Russia still retains
> the territory it annexed from Poland in 1939.  Present day Poland is made
> up of that portion annexed by the Germans in 1939, (most of) East Prussia
> (Gdansk was Danzig), and chunks of what had been eastern Germany (I can't
> name the regions, though).
> --
While not condoning Stalin's invaision of Poland, the eastern third, at
least, of Poland, was not inhabited by Poles.  Certainly they were in the
minority in this area.  Thus there is some justification for Russia's
retention of the area they took over during this invaision.

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Date:    Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:25:30 AEST
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: MEDIA: "Rosey The Riveter"

Stan,

>Are you sure you aren't thinking of a commercial film called
>"Swing Shift", with Goldie Hawn?

No, totally different. Here's the extract from our library -

TITLE: The life and times of Rosie the riveter [videorecording]. --
PUBLR: Sydney : SBS, 1989. --
DESCR: 1 videocassette (VHS) (59 min.) : sd., col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2
          in.
NOTES: Credits: Produced and directed by Connie Field
NOTES: Various women who were employed in heavy industry during World War
          II in the United States of America, relate their stories. Archival
          film illustrates the various types of employment: welding, fitting
          and turning, assembly line work, pattern making, grinding, machine
          tooling. After the war's end when the fighting men became
          civilians, the ladies lost their jobs
SUBJT: Women -- Employment -- United States -- History -- 20th century
SUBJT: Women -- United States -- Social conditions
SUBJT: World War, 1939-1945 -- Women -- United States
BIB #  00996173

The version we have is a videotape supplied by one of the local TV stations
(Hence "Publisher: SBS, 1989").

If you want to know more I can go and have a look at the tape.

Wilber.

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|Wilber WILLIAMS                            [email-masked]      |
|Prentice Centre                            Telephone : +61 7 365 4232   |
|The University of Queensland               Facsimile : +61 7 365 4477   |
|Brisbane Qld 4072  AUSTRALIA                                            |
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Date:    Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:47:59 AEST
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: This list needs a new owner!

I like reading the information and comments on this list too much, to let it
just drift away.

So, what sort of facilities do you need to run this? In terms of hardware,
software, and whatever else?

Wilber.

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Wilber WILLIAMS                            [email-masked]      |
|Prentice Centre                            Telephone : +61 7 365 4232   |
|The University of Queensland               Facsimile : +61 7 365 4477   |
|Brisbane Qld 4072  AUSTRALIA                                            |
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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:32:51 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Wildcats v. Zeros

Hah!  Last I heard, John was/is on this list!, Daniel.

You may get a DIRECT response to your observations on his
  "ponderous prose", etc.

As you seem to agree, though, the book is INDISPENSIBLE READING
  on the naval air war in the Pacific.

Jeez, this net is just getting interesting ... !

Lou Coatney

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:47:21 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: Accolade even from Attila?!

Christ, Larry!  Even Attila the Hun is going to miss you
  (and WWII-L)!!

You're historic!

:-)

Lou

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:55:40 EST
From:    "Jonah Triebwasser, Adjunct Instructor,
         Marist Coll" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Addr: ADMIN: WWII-L Closing on March 18

Since I will be out of town for the next few days (and away from
my computer), I would like to take this opportunity to thank you
all for some fascinating reading on the list, with a standing ovation
to Larry the list-meister.
As Dame Vera Lynne (sp?) sang during WWII:
"We'll meet again,
   Don't know where
    Don't know when...."
all the best - Jonah

Jonah Triebwasser
Adjunct Instructor
Marist College
Dyson Building (Adult Education)
Poughkeepsie, New York12601
Tel: (914) 575-3331, ext. 7037
E-Mail: [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:03:11 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: H-NET:  WWII-L -- "unmoderated and unused" (!!!!)

Forwarded message:
>From [email-masked] Wed Mar 16 16:05 CST 1994
Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:16:06 CST
From: "H-Net (Richard Jensen)  " <U08946@UICVM>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: WWII-L
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 487

 <[email-masked]>
========================================================================
Louis...
we have lots of opportunities for unpaid volunteers on H-NET
--esp as we are soon starting lists on military history,
German history, & e-european history (3 lists that is).
--wwii-L seems to have gone kaput in part because the
subscribers had little to say. That is a common fate for
unmoderated lists.  The subscribers did have a "say"--and they
said nothing at all.
Richard

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Date:    Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:12:14 -0600
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: H-NET comments on WWII-L

Yo, fellows!

Just thought y'all might like to see what our REAL
  problem was -- why H-NET wasn't interested in a WWII
  net itself.

You see, because we were unmoderated, we "subscribers had
  little to say."

Right!  Well, I considered affording Richard the courtesy
  of being consulted about whether or not to share his msg,
  but since there was no confidentiality indicated, and
  since I KNEW you would be interested, AND SINCE HIS H-NET
  ARROGANCE IS SO DAMNED OUTRAGEOUS ...
    I just thought I'd share this little gem with you.  :-)

Anyone caring to share your opinion of H-Net's opinion can
  reach this charming organization at:

          [email-masked]

"Lock and load ... "

"Rock and Roll ... "

Lou Coatney (speaking/acting strictly on his own initiative,
  as usual)

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