Subject: WWII-L Digest - 3 May 1994 to 4 May 1994

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There are 48 messages totalling 2103 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. NOST: "The War Without SPAM"
  2. Question: Cannon/Machine Gun (2)
  3. Spam in Europe (4)
  4. TAC: River Platte (Graf Spee)
  5. INF: USAAF 4 MAY 44
  6. USAAF Night Fighter Squadrons
  7. USMC Night Fighter Units
  8. P-61 radar
  9. unsubbing
 10. N American Aerobatic Team Skeds
 11. German Navy 1936
 12. MOnte Cassino
 13. P-61 Black Widow
 14. MEDIA: Combat! marathon (13)
 15. INF: USN Chronology 05-04-94
 16. World War II U.S. Radio Traitors--Berlin Calling
 17. OK!  That DOES it!  SUBJECT HEADINGS (2)
 18. GEN: Spielberg Certificate.
 19. ADMIN: Vacation
 20. INF: German uniform question (2)
 21. MEDIA: WWII TV shows (4)
 22. Re[2]: INF: German uniform question
 23. TRV: World War II Television (2)
 24. German paratroopers dropped sans chutes? (2)
 25. German paratroopers ...

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Date:    Tue, 3 May 1994 23:18:09 -0500
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: NOST: "The War Without SPAM"

The following was a UPI article written in 1991.  I had received permission
then to reprint it once, so I'm sure they won't worry about me not asking
this time.  :-)

There's no comment here from Stalin, but there is one (fairly complimentary
and bland) from Kruschev.  I'm begining to think that the Stalin quote might
be anecdotal.

And no, I also don't know any book(s) dedicated to the spoken "words of wisdom"
of Josef Stalin... :-)

THE WAR WITHOUT SPAM
Jack Lesar
United Press International

If an army truly travels on its stomach, U.S. troops in the Persian
Gulf are traveling light. At the request of the Saudi government,
Americans are going to war without SPAM, a staple of the military diet
since World War II.

`A war without SPAM is like a day without grumbling,' said a Marine
cook at Camp Lajeune, N.C. `It's the meat grunts (infantry) love to
hate.'

`They like to gripe about it but they appreciate it,' a Marine Corp
spokesman said. `It tastes pretty good when you haven't got anything
else. Some of them'll probably miss it.'

Produced by Geo. A. Hormel & Co. of Austin, Minn., SPAM is a tinned
luncheon meat made from ham and pork shoulder. It keeps indefinitly
without refrigeration -- an attribute which has made it a military
mainstay since World War II.

But Saudi Arabia, where U.S. troops are assembled for operations
against Iraqi occupation forces in Kuwait, is a Muslim country. Islamic
dietary rules forbid pork, so the Saudis asked the Americans leave their
SPAM behind.

`We're complying with their wishes,' a Defense Department spokesman
said.

So when the Defense Department started handing out contracts to
supply the troops, there was nothing in the coffer for SPAM. But Hormel
did land a $44 million contract for its `Top Shelf' packaged meals,
which resemble frozen dinners but require no refrigeration.

A longtime Army cook who served in Vietnam and was preparing to
depart for Saudi Arabia, and his second war, said the SPAM ban was
`sort of a break with tradition -- a break with history.'

SPAM is undoubtedly a part of military history. Introduced in 1937,
tons of the canned meat were eaten by allied troops during World War II.
It was also a staple for troops in Korea and Vietnam.

`During World War II, of course, I ate my share of SPAM along with
millions of other soldiers,' the late President Dwight D. Eisenhower,
supreme commander of the allied troops during World War II, said in a
1966 letter to the company.

`I'll even confess to a few unkind remarks about it -- uttered during
the strain of battle, you understand,' Eisenhower wrote. `But as
former commander in chief, I believe I can still officially forgive you
your only sin: sending us so much of it.'

Even the late Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, who was a soldier
during World War II, had fond memories of SPAM.

`There were many jokes going around in the army, some of them off-color,
about American SPAM,' he wrote in his memoirs, "Khrushchev Remembers."
`It tasted good, nonetheless.  Without SPAM, we wouldn't have been able
to feed our army.'

Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher recalled SPAM as a
`wartime delicacy.'

That was underscored by Edward R. Morrow in a 1942 Christmas broadcast
from war-ravaged Britain.

`This is London,' the famed correspondent reported. `Although the
Christmas table will not be lavish, there will be SPAM for everyone.'

Reprinted at one time with permission.

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Date:    Tue, 3 May 1994 21:33:55 PDT
From:    Sidney Allinson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Question: Cannon/Machine Gun

Emmanuel...
It was British ammunition that was rimmed.
BTW: Early in the war, a big shipment of US-made Lee-Enfield rifles was
sent to Britain, and issued to the Home Guard units. Though the Lee-Enfield
was a British design, and the then-standard rifle of the British Army, it
was in .303 calibre. The US made Lee Enfields were .30 cal. So a red band
was painted around the muzzle of the American LEs, to indicate they used
different ammunition.

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Date:    Tue, 3 May 1994 22:49:40 +0200
From:    John Ausland <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Spam in Europe

This is the text of a message on the list:
Date:    Mon, 2 May 1994 17:50:38 -0400
From:    Emery Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Spam in Europe

Hello all!
        Hopefully nobody will get too upset at my excusion into the obscure.
I was wondering if our national pride and glory, Spam, was exported in
massive quantities to Europe and the Soviet Union during WWII.  Also,
was Spam included in the rations for U.S. GIs?  Does anybody have any
quotations of comments from foreign nationals who tried Spam?  I'm sure if
the Russians tried it they may have converted from Communism long ago.

        An annual Spam eater,

                --Emery

Comment:  Now there is a subject one can really sink his teeth into.  While I
was in England during the preparations for our landing in Normandy, I had
a meal once with an English girl in a hotel in Exeter.  When I asked for a menu,
she just laughed.  The only thing offered was spam, spuds, and brussels
sprouts.  She commented that she would never forgive us for spam.  (Sorry,
Emery, but that is what she said.  You asked for it.)

If spam was served to us in meals, I do not recall it.  Hence, it could not have
been very often.  At night, when in combat, we enjoyed K rations.  These
sometimes contained a piece of spam-like meat, as I recall, along with some
crackers, a couple of cigarettes, a bit of chocolate, and toilet paper.
(The Army, if nothing else, was thorough.)

The ten-in-one rations (food for ten men for one day), which were not bad, may
also have contained spam or something like it.

  Regards, John Ausland/Oslo Norway

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 10:03:08 +0200
From:    Bengt Nilsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: TAC: River Platte (Graf Spee)

>> Besides, was there ever during the 1930's or during the war a serious
>> attempt to remove Non-Nazi officers from the Wehrmacht and to promote
>> Party members instead? I don't know, but perhaps someone else does?
>
>    After 1944 and the bomb plot attempts were made to ensure loyalty
>and security. You might consider the case of FM Walther Model who,
>happened not only to be a competent officer, but a zealous Nazi. So
>was FM Ferdninand Schoerner. Consider the appointment of Heinrich
>Himmler as C-in-C of Army Group Vistula after July 20, 1944. All
>these were top political appointments based on their Party loyalty.
>Model and Schoerner were both good officers, whereas Himmler was a
>different case entirely.
>
>Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
>P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
>fax 806-371-5370

Hello, Terry!

When discussing the nazification of the Wehrmacht the events of July
1944 certainly are an interesting example. The conspiracy against
Hitler involved a large number of people from the very highest rank
all the way down. If there had been a succesful nazification, how
could these men have remained in the Wehrmacht?

Look at what happened in the Soviet Union during the 1930's when Stalin
executed most of his top military men and also many on the lower levels
and compare that with Germany. I would think that Hitler couldn't
possibly have attempted to do the same because he needed a well
functioning miltary machine for his purposes and also because the
Wehrmacht would not have accepted it. They just weren't nazified
enough to swallow something like that.

Bengt Nilsson
[email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:03:00 EDT
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: INF: USAAF 4 MAY 44

COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES
THURSDAY, 4 MAY 1944
FTP SITES
  1. ftp.rutgers.edu in directory pub/wwii/usaf
  2. byrd.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.152) in pub/history/military/airforce/
     wwii_chronology

AIRCRAFT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
  A-20, Douglas Havoc
  A-36, North American Apache
  B-24, Consolidated Liberator
  B-25, North American Mitchell
  B-26, Martin Marauder
  F-5, Lockheed Lightning
  P-39, Bell Airacobra
  P-40, Curtiss
  P-47, Republic Thunderbolt
  P-51, North American Mustang

CHINA-BURMA-INDIA (CBI) THEATER OF OPERATIONS

  BURMA-INDIA (Tenth Air Force): In Burma, a single B-24 bombs Akyab; 12
B-25s damage a bridge at Kalemyo and bomb Tiddim; 24 B-24s bomb Mandalay
marshalling yard and barracks and the general area at Maymyo; 2 P-51s knock
out a bypass bridge near Shweli.

  CHINA (Fourteenth Air Force): In China, 8 P-40s hit gun positions at
Pailochi; 2 B-25s strafe 12 sampans between Hong Kong and the Luichow
Peninsula, killing many soldiers on board.

EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)

  STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 338: 591 bombers and 516
fighters are dispatched to Berlin, Brunswick and targets in C Germany; the
mission is recalled due to cloud cover but 40 B-17s bomb Bergen/Alkmaar
Airfield, The Netherlands; 1 B-17 is damaged beyond repair and 15 damaged;
2 airmen are KIA and 1 WIA. Escort is provided by 50 P-38s, 179 P-47s and
287 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51s; the P-47s claim 8-2-5 Luftwaffe
aircraft and the P-51s claim 1-0-1; 2 P-47s and 1 P-51 are lost, 3 P-47s
and 2 P-51s are damaged beyond repair and 1 P-38 and 8 P-47s are damaged; 1
airman is WIA and 3 MIA.
  HQ 95th Combat Bombardment Wing (Heavy) moves from Ketteringham to
Halesworth, England.

  TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): In France, 170+ B-26s and 36 A-20s
bomb gun emplacements and other military targets at Etretat/Sainte-Marie-Au-
Bosc, Etaples, Le Treport, Ault, Fecamp and Ouistreham.

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)

  TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Twelfth Air Force): In Italy, main effort again is
against lines of communications; medium bombers hit bridges, tracks and
marshalling yards; P-40s, A-36s and P-47s hit rail lines in and around
Priverno, guns and radar station N of Anzio, railroad cars, rail lines, and
bridge in the Orte-Attigliano and Orte-Narni areas, motor transport and
stores E of Frascati, marshalling yards at Colleferro and Follonica, and
trucks and personnel on the Fondi-Pico road; vessels at Leghorn and numerous
railroad targets at scattered points are attacked.
  Flight of the 5th Combat Mapping Squadron, 3d Photographic Group
(Reconnaissance), operating from San Severo, Italy returns to base at
Pomigliano, Italy with F-5s.

PACIFIC OCEAN AREA (POA, Seventh Air Force): 12 B-25s, based at Makin Island,
pound Jaluit and Wotje Atolls, using Majuro Atoll as a shuttle base for
rearming between the strikes. 39 B-24s from Kwajalein and Eniwetok Atolls hit
Ponape Island.

SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (SOPAC, Thirteenth Air Force): On New Britain Island, 24
B-25s bomb the Talili Bay area; 43 fighter-bombers hit Vunakanau Airfield;
Allied fighter sweeps over the Bismarck Archipelago continue. 38 P-39s, flying
18 missions, hit several targets on Bougainville Island, including buildings
at Sovele, Tinputs, the Reboine Bay area, Monoitu and in the area N of Taki;
targets of opportunity in the Koromira area are also attacked.

SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AREA (SWPA, Fifth Air Force): In New Guinea, 26 B-24s of
the Thirteenth Air Task Force bomb Mokmer Airfield; 60+ B-24s, B-25s, A-20s
and P-47s pound airfields, road, bridges, shipping, barges and other targets
in the Wewak area; A-20s attack bridges over the Awar River and targets of
opportunity in the Hansa Bay area while fighter-bombers hit targets of
opportunity in the Ramu River Valley and on the Hansa Bay coast.

SOURCES:
AIR FORCE COMBAT UNITS OF WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force History,
  Headquarters USAF, 1961, ISBN 0-912799-02-1
COMBAT SQUADRONS OF THE AIR FORCE, WORLD WAR II, Office of Air Force
  History, Headquarters USAF 1982
THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY, 1941-1945 by the
  Office of Air Force History, Headquarters USAF, 1973
THE MIGHTY EIGHTH WAR DIARY by Roger A. Freeman, ISBN 1-85409-071-2

Jack McKillop
USAF (Airways and Air Communications Service)
1955-59

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:12:00 EDT
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: USAAF Night Fighter Squadrons

                          US ARMY AIR FORCES NIGHT
                          FIGHTER SQUADRONS IN WWII

6th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
--------------------------
On 9 Jan 43, the 6th Fighter Squadron, which had been in Hawaii since 1917,
was redesignated the 6th Night Fighter Squadron.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Hawaii (one detachment operated from Guadalcanal Island, Solomon
          Islands, Feb-Sep 43; a second detachment operated from New
          Guinea, Apr-Sep 43)
    1944: Hawaii (detachment operated from Saipan, Marianas Islands,
          Jun-Dec)
    1945: Hawaii (Jan and May-Sep) and Saipan, Marianas Islands (Jan-May);
          detachments operated from Saipan (Jan) and Hawaii (Jan-May 45)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: P-70, P-38 and P-47
    1944: P-70, P-47 and P-61
    1945: P-47 and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in Central, South and Southwest Pacific,  Dec 41-14
    Aug 45.

414th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated on 26 Jan 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Jan-Apr), Algeria (May-Nov) and Sardinia (Nov-Dec); air
          echelon in England, Mar-Jul; detachment in Tunisia (Jul 43)
    1944: Sardinia (Jan-Sep), Corsica (Sep-Oct) and Italy (Oct-Dec);
          detachments operated from Corsica (Jan-Jul) and Sardinia
          (May-Jun)
    1945: Italy (Jan-Aug); detachments operated from Belgium (Jan-Apr) and
          Germany (Apr)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: A-20, P-70 & Beaufighter
    1944: Beaufighter
    1945: Beaufighter and P-38
  OPERATIONS: Combat in MTO and ETO, 24 Jul 43-29 Apr 45

415th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 10 Feb 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Feb-Apr); Algeria (May-Jun); Tunisia (Jun-Sep); Sicily
          (Sep-Dec); Italy (Dec); air echelon in England (Mar-Jun);
          detachments operated from Italy, Nov-Dec).
    1944: Italy (Jan-Jul); Corsica (Jul-Aug); France (Sep-Dec); detachment
          operated from Italy (Jul-Aug).
    1945: France (Jan-Apr); Germany (Apr-May)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: A-20, P-70 and Beaufighter
    1944: Beaufighter
    1945: Beaufighter and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in MTO and ETO, 9 Jul 43-7 May 45

416th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Acitvated 20 Feb 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Feb-Apr); England (May-Aug); Algeria (Aug-Sep); Tunisia
          (Sep); Sicily (Sep); Italy (Sep-Dec); detachment operated from
          Algeria (Dec)
    1944: Italy (Jan-Dec); detachments at Algeria (Jan), Sicily (Aug) and
          Corsica (Aug)
    1945: Italy (Jan-May); detachment in France (Jan-Feb)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: A-20, P-70 and Beaufighter
    1944: Beaufighter and Mosquito
    1945: Mosquito, A-36 and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in MTO and ETO, 4 Sep 43-3 May 45

417th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 20 Feb 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Feb-Apr), Scotland (May), England (May-Aug), Algeria
          (Aug-Dec); detachment in Scotland (May-Jun)
    1944: Algeria (Jan-Apr), Corsica (Apr-Sep), France (Sep-Dec)
    1945: France (Jan-Apr), Germany (Apr-May); detachment in Belgium (Jan)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: P-70 and Beaufighter
    1944: Beaufighter
    1945: Beaufighter and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in MTO, 8 Aug 43-28 Mar 45 and in ETO, 25 Apr-9 May 45

418th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 1 Apr 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Apr-Sep), New Guinea (Nov-Dec)
    1944: New Guinea (Jan-Sep), Owi, Schouten Islands (Sep-Oct), Morotai
          (Oct-Dec), Mindoro, Philippine Is (Dec)
    1945: Mindoro (Jan-Jul), Okinawa (Jul-Sep)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: P-70 and P-38
    1944: P-70, P-38, B-25 and P-61
    1945: P-61 and B-25
  OPERATIONS: Combat in Southwest and Western Pacific, 2 Jan 44-14 Aug 45

419th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated on 1 Apr 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Apr-Oct), Guadalcanal Is, Solomon Is (Nov-Dec)
    1944: Guadalcanal Is (Jan-Aug), Middleburg Is, New Guinea (Aug-Dec);
          detachments operated from Bougainville Is, Solomon Is (Jan-May),
          New Guinea (Jun-Jul), Noemfoor Is, New Guinea (Jul-Nov), Los Negros
          Is, Admiralty Is (Jun-Aug) and Morotai (Nov-Dec)
    1945: Middleburg Is (Jan-Mar), Palawan, Philippine Is (Mar-Sep);
          detachments operated from Morotai (Jan-Mar), Mindanao, Philippine
          Is (Mar-Jul) and Sulu (Jun-Jul)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1943: P-70 and P-38
    1944: P-70, P-38, A-24 and P-61
    1945: P-38 and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in South and Southwest Pacific, 10 Dec 43-14 Aug 45

420th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated on 1 Jun 43; disbanded on 31 Mar 44.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida
    1944: Florida (Jan), California (Jan-Mar)
  AIRCRAFT
    1943: AT-11, A-20, P-70, BT-13 and C-78
    1944: AT-11, A-20, P-70, BT-13, C-78 and P/YP-61
  OPERATIONS: Replacement training unit, Jun 43-Mar 44

421st NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 1 May 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Flordia (May-Nov)
    1944: New Guinea (Jan-Jun), Owi, Schouten Is (Jun-Oct), Leyte,
          Philippine Is (Oct-Dec); detachment operated from Wakde Is, New
          Guinea (May-Sep)
    1945: Leyte (Jan-Feb), Luzon, Philippine Is (Feb-Jul), Ie Shima Is,
          Ryukyus Is (Jul-Sep); detachment operated from Leyte, Philippine
          Is (Feb-Mar)
  AIRCRAFT
    1943: P-70
    1944: P-70, P-38 and P-61
    1945: P-38 and P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in Southwest and Western Pacific, 29 Feb 44-14 Aug 45

422d NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
---------------------------
Activated 1 Aug 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Aug-Dec)
    1944: Florida (Jan-Feb), England (Mar-Jul), France (Jul-Sep), Belgium
          (Sep-Dec)
    1945: Belgium (Jan-Apr), Germany (Apr-May)
  AIRCRAFT
    1943: DB-7 P-70 and YP-61
    1944: P-61, L-6, Oxford, C-78 and A-20
    1945: P-61 and A-20
  OPERATIONS: Combat in ETO, 3 Jul 44-4 May 45

423d NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
---------------------------
Activated 1 Sep 43; redesignated 155th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron
on 22 Jun 44.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Oct-Dec)
    1944: Florida (Jan), California (Jan-Mar), England (Apr-Jun)
  AIRCRAFT
    1943-44 P-70 and A-20
  OPERATIONS: None

424th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 24 Nov 43; disbanded 31 Mar 44.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Forida (Nov-Dec)
    1944: Florida (Jan), California (Jan-Mar)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1944: P-70
  OPERATIONS: Replacement training, Feb-Mar 44

425th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 1 Dec 43.
  STATIONS:
    1943: Florida (Dec)
    1944: Florida (Jan), California (Jan-May), England (May-Aug), France
          (Aug-Dec)
    1945: France (Jan-Apr), Germany (Apr-May)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1944: YP-61, A-20, P-70 and P-61
    1945: P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in ETO, Jul 44-8 May 45

426th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated 1 Jan 44.
  STATIONS:
    1944: California (Jan-Jun), India (Aug-Nov), China (Nov-Dec)
    1945: China (Jan-Sep)
  AIRCRAFT:
    1944: P-70 and P-61
    1945: P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in CBI, 21 Nov 44-13 Aug 45

427th NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON
----------------------------
Activated on 1 Feb 44.
  STATIONS:
    1944: California (Feb-Jul), Italy (Aug-Sep), India (Oct-Dec), Burma
          (Dec); detachment operated from Burma (Nov-Dec) and China (Dec)
    1945: Burma (Jan-May), India (May-Aug), China (Aug); detachments
          operated from China (Jan-Aug)
  AIRCRAFT
    1944: P-70 and P-61
    1945: P-61
  OPERATIONS: Combat in MTO, Sep 44, and in CBI, 23 Nov 44-14 Aug 45.

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|  Jack McKillop              |  Those who have long enjoyed such |
|  Bellcore                   |  privileges as we enjoy forget in |
|  Piscataway, NJ USA         |  time that men have died to win   |
|  [email-masked]  |  them.                     FDR    |
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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:13:00 EDT
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: USMC Night Fighter Units

                    U.S. MARINE CORPS NIGHT FIGHTER
                        UNITS IN WORLD WAR II

MARINE AIRCRAFT GROUP 53 (MAG-53)
---------------------------------
MAG-53 was commissioned 1 Apr 43 at MCAS Cherry Point, New Bern, North
Carolina, the Marine Corps' first night-figter group.  During Mar 44 the
group went to NAS Vero Beach, Vero Beach, Florida for training for night
operations.  The group transferred to MCAS Eagle Mountain Lake, Newark,
Texas in Nov 44 and remained there until VJ Day.  The group trained a total
of eight night-fighter squadrons and sent seven into combat.

MARINE NIGHT-FIGHTER SQUADRON 531 [VMF(N)-531]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-531 was commissioned on 16 Nov 42 at Cherry Point, North Carolina.
The squadron trained with Lockheed PV-1 Venturas' that had been modified as
night-fighters.  This modification consisted of reducing the crew of five
to three, equipping the aircraft with six forward-firing 50 caliber (12.7
mm) machine-guns and fitting them with British A.I. Mk. IV radar.  The
squadron transferred to MCAS El Centro, El Centro, California.  On 31 Jul
43, they embarked in USS Long Island (CVE-1) at San Diego, California for
Hawaii where the PV-1s were prepared for flight.  The squadron left Hawaii
on 19 Aug 43 for Espiritu Santo Island, New Hebrides Islands, arriving on
25 Aug.  The aircrew arrived in the Russell Islands, Solomon Islands on 11
Sep 43 and they were joined by the ground echelon on 23 Sep 43.
VMF(N)-531 was the first naval-aviation night-fighter squadron in the
South Pacific Area (SOPAC).  (Detachment B of the USAAF's 6th Night Fighter
Squadron began operating from Guadalcanal on 28 Feb 43 with P-70s and was
relieved by the Marines.)  The squadron operated their PV-1s from various
islands in the Solomon Islands including the Russell Islands, Vella Lavella
Island and Bougainville Island until Summer 1944.  The squadron returned to
MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina in Aug 44 where it was disbanded on 3 Sep
44.  On 9 Oct 44, the squadron was again commissioned as part of Marine
Aircraft Wing 9 (MAW-9).  The squadron transferred to MCAS Eagle Mountain
Lake, Texas on 29 Nov 44 where it remained until VJ Day.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 532 [VMF(N)-532]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-532 was commissioned at MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina on 1 Apr
43.  The squadron transferred to the West Coast on 24 Dec 43 and departed
San Diego two days later for MCAS Ewa, Oahu, Territory of Hawaii.  They
arrived on Tarawa Atoll, Gilbert Islands with Vought F4U-2 Corsairs on 13
Jan 44 and began flying night combat air patrols (NCAP's).  [NOTE: 12
F4U-1s had been converted to F4U-2s by the Naval Aircraft Factory,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania by adding a radar pod on the starboard wing and
reducing the six 50 caliber machine guns to four.  These aircraft were used
by the Navy's Night Fighter Squadron 75, VF(N)-75; VF(N)-101 and VMF(N)-532.)
The squadron flew to Roi Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands via Makin
Island, Gilbert Islands on 15 Feb 44; twelve days later, the air echelon went
to Engebi Island, Eniwetok Atoll, Marshall Islands to provide night cover
until 11 Jun 44 and then rejoined the ground echelon on Roi Island.  In
Jun 44, the squadron began night raids against Wotje Atoll, Marshall Islands.
The squadron transferred to Saipan Island, Marianas Islands in Jul 44 and
began NCAP's in the area and later over Guam Island, Marianas Islands.  The
squadron operated in the Marianas Islands until Fall 1944 when they
departed for the US and arrived at MCAD Miramar, San Diego, California, on
25 Oct 44.  In early Dec 44, the squadron transferred to MCAS Eagle
Mountain Lake, Texas where it continued routing training until VJ Day.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 533 [VMF(N)-533]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-533 was commissioned on 1 Oct 43 at MCAS Cherry Point, North
Carolina.  The squadron transferred to the West Coast in early Apr 44 and
on 16 Apr 44, embarked on USS Long Island (CVE-1) for Eniwetok Island,
Eniwetok Atoll, Marshall Islands via Hawaii on 6 May 44 and relieved
VMF(N)-532 on 11 Jun 44.  By this time, the squadron was equipped with
Grumman F6F-5N Hellcats and they were used for night defense of the Eniwetok
area.  The squadron moved to Engebi Island, Eniwetok Atoll on 30 Nov 44 and
continued night operations.  The air echelon flew to Yontan Airfield,
Okinawa Island, Ryukyus Islands on 14 May 45; the ground echelon arrived on
Ie Shima Island, Ryukyus Islands on 20 May and the air echelon transferred
to Ie Shima on 15 Jun 45.  On 14 Jul 45, the squadron moved to Chimu
Airfield, Okinawa where it ended the war.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 534 [VMF(N)-534]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-534 was commissioned on 1 Oct 43 at MCAS Cherry Point, North
Carolina.  The squadron transferred to the West Coast in early Apr 44 and
departed San Diego on 19 Apr 44 in USS Breton (CVE-23) and arrived at
Espiritu Santo Island, New Hebrides Islands on 4 May 44 and trained with
their Grumman F6F-3N Hellcats.  The squadron departed for the Central
Pacific in Jun 44 arriving at Guam Island, Marianas Islands on 4 Aug.  They
flew their first NCAP three days later.  In May 45, part of the squadron
moved to Kobler Airfield, Saipan Island, Marianas Islands, to provide night
air defense of the Saipan-Tinian Islands area, and another section was sent
to Eniwetok Island, Eniwetok Atoll, Marshall Islands to assume night air
defense of the Gilbert-Marshall Islands area.  The squadron continued to
operated at Guam, Eniwetok and Saipan until VJ Day.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 541 [VMF(N)-541]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-541 was commissioned at MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina on 15 Feb
44.  The squadron sailed from North Island, San Diego on 9 Aug 44 in USS
Long Island (CVE-1) arriving Espiritu Santo Island on 24 Aug.  The ground
echelon sailed for Palau Islands, Caroline Islands, arriving 15 Sep 44.
The air echelon flew their Grumman F6F-3N Hellcats to Emirau Island off
New Guinea and remained there until 24 Sep when the first aircraft were
flown into Peleliu Island, Palau Islands.  The flight ecehlon transferred
to Leyte Island, Philippine Islands at the request of Gneral MacArthur on 3
Dec 44; they returned to Peleliu on 11 Jan 45.  Elements of a flight
echelon were base at Ulithi Atoll, Caroline Islands until 28 Aug 45.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 542 [VMF(N)-542]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-542 was commissioned on 6 Mar 44 at MCAS Cherry Point, North
Carolina.  The air echelon transferred to San Diego and departed in USS
Kitty Hawk (AKV-1) on 29 Aug 44.  The ground echelon departed the West
Coast on 9 Sep 44 in SS Dashing Wave.  The flight echelon arrived at Manus
Island, Admiralty Islands with Grumman F6F-5N Hellcats on 18 Sep 44; on 26
Sep 44, they moved to Pityilu Island off Manus Island.  The ground echelon
arrived Ulithi Atoll, Caroline Islands on 9-12 Oct 44 to be joined by the
air echelon on 29 Oct.  The assault echelon departed Ulithi on 15 Feb 45
for Leyte Island, Philippine Islands; they then proceeded to Okinawa,
Ryukyus Islands where they landed on 8 Apr.  The air echelon departed Ulithi
and arrived Yonton Airfield, Okinawa on 7 Apr 45; the ground echelon
arrived on 1 May.  The squadron moved to Chimu Airfield, Okinawa on 1 Jul
and continued strikes in the Ryukyus area until VJ Day.
moved to Engebi Island, Eniwetok Atoll

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 543 [VMF(N)-543]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-543 was commissioned at MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina on 15 Apr
44.  The squadron transferred to MCAS El Centro, El Centro, California on
30 Sep 44 and departed for MCAS Ewa, Oahu, Territory of Hawaii on 4 Jan 45
with their Grumman F6F-5N Hellcats.  The squadron was divided into three
echelons; the assault echelon departed for Okinawa Island, Ryukyus Islands
on 18-21 Feb 45 in USS Achernar (AKA-53) and USS Meriwether (APA-203); they
arrived at Okinawa on 7 Apr 45 where they were joined two days later by the
air echelon.  The rear echelon arrived 1 May 45.  The squadron moved to Awase
Airfield, Okinawa on 15 Jul 45 where they ended the war.

MARINE NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON 544 [VMF(N)-544]
----------------------------------------------
VMF(N)-544 was commissioned at MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina on 1 May
44.  In late Oct 44, the squadron departed for the West Coast; the air
echelon arrived on 3 Nov joined a week later by the ground echelon.  During
the next two months some pilots were detached from the Squadron and
assigned to carrier duty.  The remainder of the squadron transferred to
MCAS Eagle Mountain Lake, Newark, Texas for duty late in Feb 45 where
training continued until VJ Day.

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|  Jack McKillop              |  Those who have long enjoyed such |
|  Bellcore                   |  privileges as we enjoy forget in |
|  Piscataway, NJ USA         |  time that men have died to win   |
|  [email-masked]  |  them.                     FDR    |
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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:14:37 -0400
From:    Bob Smart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: P-61 radar

> One of the things us old Bell System types heard many years ago was that
> the P-61 had to be a big aircraft to house and carry the original Western
> Electric Co radar which was a very large piece of gear.  (It was one of the
> first, if not the first, AI radar to go into mass production in the US.)
> Then four years later, they were hanging AI radar in little radomes on
> P-38Ms, F6Fs, F4Us, etc.  Makes you stop and think about the rapid technical
> develpments during the war.

Jack, don't sell yourselves so short. I wish I could remember where it was but
I remember a book hat discussed the early nightfighters and their radar.

The APS-6 used in the F6F-5N, F4U-4N, etc was much less capable than the
SCR-720 used in the P-61. The SCR-720 formed the basis for most of the
development into the early jet age.

Bob Smart ([email-masked])

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:22:08 +0500
From:    douglas g prosser <[email-masked]>
Subject: unsubbing

could someone send me the unsub info?
I seem to have deleted it

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 08:25:00 EDT
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: N American Aerobatic Team Skeds

J.D. Delancy has kindly updated the U.S. team schedules for this list and
I publically thank him for his efforts.

          NORTH AMERICAN MILITARY AEROBATIC TEAM SCHEDULE, 1994
                           ISSUE 6, 22 MAR 94

The following is the combined schedules for the North American military
aerobatic teams for the 1994 show season and includes schedules for shows
in:

  Canada
  Guam
  Indonesia
  Japan
  Korea
  Malaysia
  Singapore
  Thailand
  United States

This list is sorted by country and Province and State.  The four teams
covered in this post are:

  Canadian Armed Forces Snowbirds
  U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds
  U.S. Army Golden Knights
  U.S. Navy Blue Angels

Any additions, corrections, etc. would be appreciated.  Please e-mail them
to me at [email-masked].

REASON FOR REISSUE
  1. Add show at Eielson AFB, Alaska.
  2. Add show at Seoul, ROK.
  3. Change the date of the show at Osan AB, ROK.
  4. Add Bangkok, Thailand.
  5. Change the date of the show at Singapore.
  6. Add Indonesia.
  7. Add Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
  8. Add Andersen AFB, Guam.
  9. Change location of show in Hawaii.
 10. Change date and add location of show in Washington, DC.
 11. Add show at Livermore, California.
 12. Change date for Daytona, Florida show.
 13. Change date for Beale AFB, California.
 14. Add show at Redmond, Oregon.
 15. Change date for Traverse City, Michigan.
 16. Add another show at NAS Pensacola
 17. Add show at Miami, Florida.

I. CANADA
---------

ALBERTA
-------
Edmonton: Snowbirds, 21-22 May
Lethbridge: Golden Knights, 20-21 Aug
Peace River: Snowbirds, 26 Jul
Slave Lake: Snowbirds, 10 May

BRITISH COLUMBIA
----------------
Abbotsford: Snowbirds, 12-14 Aug and Blue Angels, 13-14 Aug
Comox: Snowbirds, 7 Aug
Fort Nelson: Snowbirds, 12 May
Kelowna: Snowbirds, 18 May
Penticton: Snowbirds, 28 Jul
Prince George: Snowbirds, 14-15 May
Sandspit: Snowbirds, 5 May
Vanderhoff: Snowbirds, 23-24 Jul
Victoria: Snowbirds, 17 Aug

MANITOBA
--------
Grand Beach: Snowbirds, 8 Jul
St Andrews (Winnipeg): Snowbirds, 30-31 Jul

NEW BRUNSWICK
-------------
Chatham: Snowbirds, 28 May
Shediac: Snowbirds, 24 Aug

NOVA SCOTIA
-----------
Greenwood: Snowbirds, 29 May
Shearwater: Snowbirds, 17-18 Sep

ONTARIO
-------
Cobden: Snowbirds, 31 May
Hamilton: Snowbirds, 18-19 Jun
London: Snowbirds, 4-5 Jun
Ottawa: Snowbirds, 2-3 Jul
Parry Sound: Snowbirds, 28 Jun
Toronto: Snowbirds, 3-5 Sep
Trenton: Snowbirds, 25-26 Jun

QUEBEC
------
Bagotville: Snowbirds, 11-12 Jun
Gaspe: Snowbirds, 7 Sep
Montmagny: Snowbirds, 15 Jun
Rimouski: Snowbirds, 9 Jun
St George De Beauce: Snowbirds, 5 Jul
St Jean: Snowbirds, 20 Aug
Sept-Iles: Snowbirds, 30 Aug
Sherbrooke: Snowbirds, 21 Aug
Thetford Mines: Snowbirds, 6 Jul
Val D'Or: Snowbirds, 7 Jun

SASKATCHEWAN
------------
Moose Jaw: Snowbirds, 9-10 Jul and 14 Oct

YUKON TERRITORY
---------------
Whitehorse: Snowbirds, 8 May

II. GUAM, MARIANAS ISLANDS
--------------------------
Andersen AFB: Thunderbirds, 23 Aug

III. INDONESIA
--------------
??: Thunderbirds, 20 Aug

IV. JAPAN
---------
Kadena AB (Okinawa): Thunderbirds, 14 Aug
Misawa: Thunderbirds, 10 Aug

V. KOREA
--------
Osan AB: Thunderbirds, 14 Aug
Seoul: THunderbirds, 13 Aug

VI. MALAYSIA
------------
Kuala Lumpur: Thunderbirds, 21 Aug

VII. SINGAPORE
--------------
Singapore: Thunderbirds, 19 Aug

VIII. THAILAND
 -------------
Bangkok: Thunderbirds, 18 Aug

IX. UNITED STATES
-----------------

ALASKA
------
Eielson AFB: Thunderbirds, 7 Aug
Elmendorf AFB: Thunderbirds, 6 Aug

ALABAMA
-------
Anniston: Golden Knights, 15-16 Oct

ARIZONA
-------
Davis-Monthan AFB: Golden Knights, 22 Oct
Glendale: Thunderbirds, 5-6 Nov

ARKANSAS
--------
Little Rock: Snowbirds, 28 Sep

CALIFORNIA
----------
Beale AFB: Golden Knights, 14 May
Castle AFB: Golden Knights, 8 Oct and Thunderbirds, 9 Oct
Livermore: Golden Knights, 10-11 Sep
NAS Lemoore: Thunderbirds, 14-15 May
NAS Miramar: Blue Angels, 19-21 Aug
Redding: Thunderbirds, 25-26 Jun
Salinas: Blue Angels, 15-16 Oct
San Francisco: Blue Angels, 8-9 Oct
Travis AFB: Thunderbirds, 8 Oct
Ukiah: Golden Knights, 11-12 Jun
Van Nuys: Golden Knights, 20-21 Aug

COLORADO
--------
Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs: Thunderbirds, 1 Jun
Broomfield: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 30-31 Jul
Sterling: Golden Knights, 18 Jun

DELAWARE
--------
Dover AFB: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 7-8 May

DISTRICT OF COLUMBA
-------------------
Washington (Georgetown Univ): Golden Knights, 27 May

FLORIDA
-------
Daytona: Golden Knights, 1-2 Oct
Kissimmee: Snowbirds, 8-9 Oct
Miami: Blue Angels, 5-6 Nov
NAS Jacksonville: Blue Angels, 24-25 Sep
NAS Pensacola: Blue Angels, 16 Jul and 11-12 Nov
Patrick AFB: Golden Knights, 13 Nov
Pensacola Beach: Blue Angels, 16 Jul
Sanford: Thunderbirds, 29-30 Oct

GEORGIA
-------
Ft. Stewart: Golden Knights, 28 Jun
Warner Robins AFB: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 22-23 Oct

HAWAII
------
Waikiki Beach: Thunderbirds, 27 Aug

IDAHO
-----
Lewiston: Snowbirds, 21 Jul

ILLINOIS
--------
Chicago: Blue Angels, 27-28 Aug
De Kalb: Golden Knights, 9-10 Jul
Springfield: Blue Angels, 30-31 Jul
West Chicago: Golden Knights, 23-24 Jul

INDIANA
-------
Elkhart: Golden Knights, 3-5 Jun

IOWA
----
Davenport: Blue Angels, 25-26 Jun
Dubuque: Snowbirds, 21 Sep
Sioux City: Golden Knights, 29-31 Jul

KANSAS
------
McConnell AFB: Blue Angels, 18-19 Jun

KENTUCKY
--------
Bowling Green: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 24-25 Sep

LOUISIANA
---------
Lake Charles: Thunderbirds, 12-13 Nov
NAS New Orleans: Blue Angels, 29-30 Oct

MARYLAND
--------
Andrews AFB: Blue Angels & Golden Knights, 20-21 May
Georgetown: Golden Knights, 27 May
U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis: Blue Angels, 23-25 May

MASSACHUSETTS
-------------
Andover: Golden Knights, 30 May
NAS South Weymouth: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 11-12 Jun
Otis ANGB: Golden Knights, 13-14 Aug
Westover AFB: Snowbirds & Golden Knights, 27-28 Aug

MICHIGAN
--------
Battle Creek: Thunderbirds, 4 Jul
K.I. Sawyer AFB: Thunderbirds, 2 Jul
Muskegon: Golden Knights, 16-17 Jul
Selfridge ANGB: Blue Angels, 11-12 Jun
Traverse City: Blue Angels, 4-5 Jul

MINNESOTA
---------
Alexandria: Golden Knights, 13-14 Aug

MISSOURI
--------
Columbia: Golden Knights, 28-29 May
St Louis: Snowbirds, 24-25 Sep

NEVADA
------
Nellis AFB: Thunderbirds, 20 Nov

NEW HAMPSHIRE
-------------
Concord: Golden Knights, 25-26 Jun

NEW JERSEY
----------
Atlantic City: Golden Knights, 2-3 Jun
McGuire AFB: Blue Angels, 1-2 Oct

NEW MEXICO
----------
Cannon AFB: Golden Knights, 27 Aug
Roswell: Blue Angels, 7-8 May
Tucumcari: Golden Knights, 8 Oct

NEW YORK
--------
Brooklyn: Golden Knights, 2-4 Jul
Elmira: Golden Knights, 2-3 Jul
Scotia: Thunderbirds, 10-11 Sep

NORTH CAROLINA
--------------
Fayetteville: Golden Knights, 13 Sep
Ft. Bragg: Golden Knights, 4 Jul
Morganton: Golden Knights, 8 Oct

NORTH DAKOTA
------------
Minot: Blue Angels, 23-24 Jul

OHIO
----
Cleveland: Blue Angels & Golden Knights, 3-5 Sep
Dayton: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 23-24 Jul
Hamilton: Golden Knights, 4-5 Jun

OKLAHOMA
--------
Muskogee: Thunderbirds, 1-2 Oct
Oklahoma City: Snowbirds & Golden Knights, 16-17 Jul

OREGON
------
Portland: Thunderbirds, 16-17 Jul
Redmond: Blue Angels, 7-8 May

PENNSYLVANIA
------------
Avoca: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 28-29 May
Latrobe: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 3-4 Sep
NAS Willow Grove: Thunderbirds, 18-19 Jun
Williamsport: Golden Knights, 25-26 Jun

SOUTH CAROLINA
--------------
Florence: Snowbirds, 5 Oct
Myrtle Beach: Thunderbirds, 5 Jun

TENNESSEE
---------
Chattanooga: Blue Angels, 28-29 May
Gray: Golden Knights, 22-25 Aug
NAS Memphis: Blue Angels & Golden Knights, 10-11 Sep

TEXAS
-----
El Paso: Snowbirds & Golden Knights, 1-2 Oct
Ft. Worth: Blue Angels, 22-23 Oct
Goodfellow AFB: Thunderbirds, 22 May
Houston: Thunderbirds, 15-16 Oct
Kelly AFB: Thunderbirds & Golden Knights, 21 May
Laughlin AFB: Thunderbirds, 18 Sep
NAS Corpus Christi: Blue Angels, 14-15 May
Sheppard AFB: Thunderbirds, 17 Sep

VERMONT
-------
Burlington: Blue Angels & Golden Knights, 17-18 Sep

VIRGINIA
--------
Langley AFB: Golden Knights, 6 Aug
Manassas: Golden Knights, 17-18 Sep
NAS Oceana: Snowbirds, 10-11 Sep

WASHINGTON
----------
Pasco: Golden Knights, 24-25 Sep
Seattle: Blue Angels, 6-7 Aug and Snowbirds, 6 Aug

WEST VIRGINIA
-------------
Beaver: Golden Knights, 6-7 Aug
Huntington: Blue Angels, 4-5 Jun

WISCONSIN
---------
Eau Claire: Blue Angels & Golden Knights, 9-10 Jul

WYOMING
-------
F.E. Warren AFB: Thunderbirds, 27 Jul

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|  Jack McKillop              |  Those who have long enjoyed such |
|  Bellcore                   |  privileges as we enjoy forget in |
|  Piscataway, NJ USA         |  time that men have died to win   |
|  [email-masked]  |  them.                     FDR    |
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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 13:37:25 BST
From:    Stephen Baldwin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Spam in Europe

>       > Err Gentlemen,
>       >
>       > Having only known Spam through Monty Python sketches, could anyone inform
>       > the community about the ingredients of said product, and give the
>       > reasons why it is the elixir of life?
>
>       I was waiting for somebody to bring up that sketch. I haven't been able
>       to read my E-Mail these days without thinking of it. FYI, SPAM is an
>       acronym for _Spiced Ham_. It's really made of pork products (not your
>       finest Black Forest variety) and spices and packed neatly into a can.
>       IMHO it's terrible, but I guess it beats starving.
>       David Rising
>
I am most grateful to David for this information, and to everyone
for raising this much ignored feature of the War. Is it Spam
Vera Lynn had in mind when she sang "We'll meat again etc"? No -
don't answer that...

I shall most certainly raise the issue of Spam
on WWI-L when it gets going.

Anyway, the mystery tis solved, and I can rest easy in my bed...

BTW - to answer another question from Scott Jones...
>     Just out of curiosity, what did you mean when you wrote:
>
>     "Frankly I'm a faggot man myself."
I have to urge Scott to rectify this gap in his knowledge ASAP.
Brain's Faggots are an institution that I simply cannot bring myself to
describe. All I can say is, blame your forefathers for booting the
Brits out of the colonies thereby causing you to forego this
gastronomic experience. OTOH, search out Faggots if you ever come over
this side....

I thank you (c) Clan Wolf @ CONSIM-L

Steve Baldwin
[email-masked]

PS - I received a couple of private replies to my question -
attached for your information, edification, and enjoyment.

From: Burt Knight
=================
Smoked Pork and hAM.  As to elixir of life, Vegamite or Marmite has a lot better
flavor and I much prefer eating cardboard to SPAM

From: Jones, Scott T.
=====================
     Steven;

     I will be glad to pass on the list of ingredients to you tomorrow if
     you wish. Personally, I do not think SPAM is as bad as most people
     like to say it is. Of course, this comes from a man who has eaten
     around 500  pounds of it during his 29 years on Planet Earth! Anyway,
     tomorrow I will post what the SPAM makers CLAIM are the ingredients.

     Just out of curiosity, what did you mean when you wrote:

     "Frankly I'm a faggot man myself."

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:52:03 GMT-6
From:    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: German Navy 1936

Hello, again, Norrin!

I have found a few sources that may be of interest to you in
reference to the German Navy and its composition in 1936.

The History of the German Navy by Edward P. von der Porten

My Life by Grand Admiral Erich Raeder

Ten Years and Twenty Days by Grand Admiral Karl Doenitz

Hope these help.

Terry

Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
fax 806-371-5370

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 14:02:40 GMT,BST
From:    John Gillies <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Spam in Europe

Steve Baldwin writes:
> I am most grateful to David for this information, and to everyone
> for raising this much ignored feature of the War. Is it Spam
> Vera Lynn had in mind when she sang "We'll meat again etc"? No -
> don't answer that...

Sorry, but I'm going to. Dame Vera (Gawd bless 'er) had a quite
different wartime meat substitute in mind when she sang feelingly..
("Whale meat again!...)

John

John Gillies
Department of Psychology
Adam Smith Building
University of Glasgow
Glasgow  G12 8RT                      Tel: (0)41 339 8855 ext.5351
Scotland
                         [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:06:37 GMT-6
From:    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MOnte Cassino

Hello, George!

I have a couple of references for you on the Monte Cassino battle
that should answer your questions.

The Battle of Cassino by Fred Majdalany
Cassino by Dominich Graham
Return to Cassino by Harold L. Bond

Hope this helps.

Terry

Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
fax 806-371-5370

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:05:08 GMT-6
From:    Terry Moore <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: P-61 Black Widow

Hello, Aldo, Emmanuel, Peter and others!

Here goes with the next installment on the P-61.

During the construction of the prototypes, the XP-61's weight had
increased. The prototypes had an empty weight of 22,392 pounds and a
takeoff weight of 29,673 pounds. The prototype was powered by 2 2000hp
R-2800-25S Double Wasp radial engines driving Curtiss Electric C5425-
A10 12ft 2in diameter four blade propellors. In addition to the
Western Electric SCR-720A radar set, the XP-61 carried two command
radios (SCR-522As) and three other radios (SCR-695A, AN/APG-1 and
AN/APG-4). The central fire control system for the gun turret was the
General Electric GE2CFR/2A3 similar to that used on the B-29.

Taxi tests began almost immediately and it was during the high speed
taxi test on 21 May 1942 that the XP-61 lifted off the runway for the
first time. Northrop test pilot Vance Breese officially conducted the
XP-61'sd first flight five days later on 26 May. Following an
uneventful 15 minute flight, Breese told Jack Northop that "you've
got a damn fine airplane".

Flight tests revealed that the XP-61 had a stall speed of 75 mph
(power on) and 80 mph (power off), a maximum speed of 380 mph, the
takeoff roll was slightly over 1500 feet, rate of climb was 2000
ft/min and range was approximately 1200 miles. The test pilots
reported that the aircraft had to be deliberately put into a spin and
it recovered by simply relaxing the controls.

More tomorrow.

Terry

Terry Moore, Professor of German and French, Amarillo College
P.O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas 79178, voice 806-371-5077
fax 806-371-5370

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 08:53:53 -0400
From:    Christopher Morton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Question: Cannon/Machine Gun

>
> On Tue, 3 May 1994, Sidney Allinson wrote:
>
> >         One odd factor in the RAF's decision to stick with .303 calibre
> > (oops, sorry, caliBER, to you) in 1930, was the fact the British then
> > still had an enormous stock of .303 ammo from the First World War.
> > The RAF chose the American Colt/Browning m.g. design, but had it
> > re-tooled for .303 -- something we all had reason to regret throughout
> > WW2. Rifle-calibre m.g. ammo proved awfully inadequate in a modern air
> > war. It was not until late 1944 that RAF gunners got what we deserved,
> > the Rose Turret with four Fifties  (.50's)
>
> To be precise: the gun retooled for .303 ammunition was the .30 Colt, not
> the .50 Colt. Had also something to do with the type of cartridge; I
> think British cartridges were rimmed and US cartridges not, or the other
> way around.

.303 is rimmed.  .30-06 (7.62x63mm) is rimless.

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 10:20:06 -0400
From:    Barone <[email-masked]>
Subject: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

        While watching Monday night's episode of Combat! on Nostalgia
Television, an ad aired that Nostalgia would be airing a two-day marathon
of Combat! episodes to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Normandy
invasion.  But not any episodes: they are the last season episodes that
were filmed in color!  This will be the only time Nostalgia will show them.
The date and time of this event are June 4th at 1:00PM EST.  (Nostalgia TV
is a cable station available in the US and perhaps Canada.)  So make sure
you have a large supply of videotapes!

        I have faithfully been watching this show (weeknights at 10PM EST)
and I am amazed with the production values and plots.  (OK, the one nit is
that the Germans shoot as well as Imperial stormtroopers in Star Wars!)
What I didn't realize when I first watched this show as a kid is that the
stories progressed from one to another.  That is, the earliest episodes
have the squad at the breakout of Normandy while later ones show their
drive to Paris, etc.  The squad was much larger in the early episodes
(Braddock, Billy Nelson, Kelly, a different Doc) and these "regulars" were
killed off!  This was unheard of in a 1960s TV show.  Some of the more
interesting plots are those dealing with moral dilemmas, e.g., whether
they should execute prisoners, etc.  It's also interesting to see so many
young actors who would later move on to bigger and better things.
--
Joe Barone
[email-masked]
It was a wasted trip, baby.  Nobody said
nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 07:43:48 PST
From:    "Keller, Theron P." <[email-masked]>
Subject: INF: USN Chronology 05-04-94

UNITED STATES NAVY CHRONOLOGY
from:
//byrd.mu.wvnet.edu/pub/history/military/wwii/naval_chronology/chr44.txt

1944
05/04 Thu. United States Naval Base and Naval Air Facility,
           Majuro Atoll, Marshall Islands, are established.
            German submarine sunk:
             U-371, by destroyer escorts JOSEPH E. CAMPBELL (DE-
              70), PRIDE (DE-323), and British and French
              surface craft, western Mediterranean.

Theron P. Keller
Logicon, Inc.
Dahlgren, VA  2

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 10:55:16 EDT
From:    John Edwards <[email-masked]>
Subject: World War II U.S. Radio Traitors--Berlin Calling

National Public Radio affiliate WUGA (University of Georgia) will uplink its
hour-long program, Berlin Calling, on May 17, 1994.  This program will consist
of the lives of eight Americans who broadcast for the Nazis during WWII.  The
show will include original recordings, period music, and observations of
scholars and individuals who knew these radio traitors.  The program is based
on the book, Berlin Calling (Praeger Publishers) by John Carver Edwards.  For
air time please consult local NPR affiliate.

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Date:    Tue, 3 May 1994 11:34:33 EST
From:    Mike Oaks <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

On Wed, 4 May 1994 10:20:06 -0400,
Barone  <[email-masked]> wrote:

>        While watching Monday night's episode of Combat! on Nostalgia
>Television, an ad aired that Nostalgia would be airing a two-day marathon
>of Combat! episodes to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Normandy
>invasion.  But not any episodes: they are the last season episodes that
>were filmed in color!  This will be the only time Nostalgia will show them.
>The date and time of this event are June 4th at 1:00PM EST.  (Nostalgia TV
>is a cable station available in the US and perhaps Canada.)  So make sure
>you have a large supply of videotapes!
>
>        I have faithfully been watching this show (weeknights at 10PM EST)
>and I am amazed with the production values and plots.  (OK, the one nit is
>that the Germans shoot as well as Imperial stormtroopers in Star Wars!)
>What I didn't realize when I first watched this show as a kid is that the
>stories progressed from one to another.  That is, the earliest episodes
>have the squad at the breakout of Normandy while later ones show their
>drive to Paris, etc.  The squad was much larger in the early episodes
>(Braddock, Billy Nelson, Kelly, a different Doc) and these "regulars" were
>killed off!  This was unheard of in a 1960s TV show.  Some of the more
>interesting plots are those dealing with moral dilemmas, e.g., whether
>they should execute prisoners, etc.  It's also interesting to see so many
>young actors who would later move on to bigger and better things.
>--
>Joe Barone
>[email-masked]
>It was a wasted trip, baby.  Nobody said
>nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.

thus from the keyboard of Joe Barone...

Joe,
a question to you through the group so please anybody/everybody jump in. In
the past we have talked about uniforms and their accuracy in movies and tv
shows, on this vein I've a question. In some "COMBAT" shows as well as
other video media some Germans are wearing a type of "breastplate" shaped
sort of like a halfmoon, while in other "COMBAT" episodes, and other wwii
videos, the breast-plate is not visible. The breastplate looks to be about
6 to 8 inches wideand about 3 + inches deep. Anyone got any ideas as to
what this is??? I'd hate to think it was a dog-tag, the size being that big
and it's being worn outside the uniform but...

Thank you Joe for letting us know about the "COMBAT" marathon. I'll start
buying extra video tapes asap!!

     Many thanks in advance,
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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 10:39:29 -0500
From:    "Louis R. Coatney" <[email-masked]>
Subject: OK!  That DOES it!  SUBJECT HEADINGS

Whipping through my 100 msgs per day, I happened upon the
  "Tirpitz" heading, which I decided to check upon, to see
  the progress/direction of discussion.

What I found were prisoner-of-war-escape books!!

Could we all PLEASE use more descriptive subject headings and
  save each other some significant/accumulated time?!

As important as the abbreviations may be to Joe, just having
  relevant subject headings of ANY kind would be useful.

Thanks.  :-)

Lou Coatney

(This was on the [email-masked] usergroup, but there
  are one or two other nets which could do better, as
  well.)

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 11:04:14 CDT
From:    "Robert J. Granvin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: GEN: Spielberg Certificate.

Instead of copying a clarinet article without permission, clari.news.military
has an AP newswire report (also carried on CNN and various local stations)
about Spielberg receiving a certificate of appreciation from the WWII
Commemorative Committee at the Pentagon for his movie "Shindler's List."

I just wanted to mention it because the Southern Minnesota Wing of the
Confederate Air Force received the same recognition from the committee
and General Kicklighter earlier this year for its activities in preserving
WWII history, increasing public awareness and interest in WWII history and
our role in the General Doolittle memorial at Arlington.  WE didn't get any
press, though... I think I'm going to go back to our local media and remind
them of this... :-)

The WWII Commemorative Committee is a Pentagon committee designed to support
organizations commemorating the 50th Anniversary of WWII.  You have to meet
certain requirements to be officially recognized and in return they supply
you with a lot of information and various levels of support to help.
Although the anniversary period is rapidly coming to a close (only a bit
more than a year remain) and after that the committee (apparently) goes
away, organizations that hold several events per year commemorating WWII
might want to look into them.  If nothing else, you get a cool flag and
some pins.  :-)

Now... Where did I put that number for CNN...?

--
Robert J. Granvin                                    Southern Minnesota Wing
[email-masked]                                       Confederate Air Force

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 14:30:29 -0400
From:    Barone <[email-masked]>
Subject: ADMIN: Vacation

        This a just a quick note to let everyone know that I will be on
vacation from May 5 to May 9.  Jack McKillop ([email-masked]) has
kindly accepted the job of keeping youse guys in line during my absence! (:-)
Since this list is pretty mellow, I don't really expect any problems, but I
wanted everyone to know why I wasn't answering mail, etc.  In the unlikely
event that some silliness brews (such as a Green Card Lottery posting), I
hope everyone affords Jack the same courtesies that they have extended to
me.  Thanks.
--
Joe Barone, WWII-L owner
[email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 14:31:57 EDT
From:    Lowe Barrett MAJ <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

Michael,

The German soldiers wearing what you call a "breastplate" is called
a gorget.  It was worn as a badge of office for the military field
police (MP's in our army), which the Germans called the
"feldgendarmerie".  SO, in those COMBAT episodes, they were dealing with
German MPs or soldiers assigned to traffic control points along a supply route.

I'm sure Bill Huber will add more info to this.

Barry

Barrett F. Lowe               RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
MAJ, IN
Dept of Physics, West Point  (e-mail:  [email-masked])

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 14:37:15 -0400
From:    "Robert F. Kieran" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: INF: German uniform question

        Joe,
        a question to you through the group so please anybody/everybody jump in. In
        the past we have talked about uniforms and their accuracy in movies and tv
        shows, on this vein I've a question. In some "COMBAT" shows as well as
        other video media some Germans are wearing a type of "breastplate" shaped
        sort of like a halfmoon, while in other "COMBAT" episodes, and other wwii
        videos, the breast-plate is not visible. The breastplate looks to be about
        6 to 8 inches wideand about 3 + inches deep. Anyone got any ideas as to
        what this is??? I'd hate to think it was a dog-tag, the size being that big
        and it's being worn outside the uniform but...

        Thank you Joe for letting us know about the "COMBAT" marathon. I'll start
        buying extra video tapes asap!!

             Many thanks in advance,
         ___________________________________________________________________
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        |    Kennesaw State College                          but...         |
        |    [email-masked]              I ALWAYS BACKUP !!!    |
        |    Tel: (404) 423-6049  Fax (404) 423-6541   ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~    |
        |___________________________________________________________________|

Michael,

     I believe you are refering to what is known as a gorget. In the
German Army, they were used for two purposes:

        A. One design was worn by flagbearers (fahnentraegers),
        who also wore a special shoulder patch.

        B. Military police also wore a gorget. They were known as
        "Chained Dogs" by the regular German soldiers.

     The two gotgets were of different design, too. I believe that the
MPs version had a large German eagle on it, and that the flag bearers
had crossed flags on it, as did their shoulder patch. Sorry I can't be
more precise, but the books are at home, ya see.

                                                Regards
                                                Bob Kieran
                                                [email-masked]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 15:28:01 -0400
From:    Emery Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Spam in Europe

On May 3, John Sloan wrote:

>
>Emery,
>There are some famous comments about spam in the Gulag but I don't have them
>in front of me at the moment. Will try to find time to check for you. Think
>it was served when Wallace visited or else some other American VIP.
>JOhn sloan

Now, I believe we have beaten this Spam thing almost to death, but JOhn,
I would particularly like to know about these Spam comments in the Gulag.

My overall impression is that Spam may have contributed to European resentment
toward Americans that lingers to this very day.

Thanks all,

--Emery

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 15:08:37 EDT
From:    [email-masked]
Subject: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 90s?

I could only come up with a few.

Combat! 60s drama

12 O'clock High drama 60s

Hogan's Heros comedy 60s

Rat Patrol 60s drama

Mchale's Navy 60s comedy

Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.

I can't think of any more but I sure y'all will let me know what I missed.

H. A. Kurt Luginbyhl
Scientific Computer Specialist
National Museum of Natural History
Washington D.C. 20560

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 16:26:35 -0400
From:    Barone <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: WWII TV shows

H. A. Kurt Luginbyhl writes:
> Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the
> 50s - 90s?
>
> I could only come up with a few.
> Combat! 60s drama
> 12 O'clock High drama 60s
> Hogan's Heros comedy 60s
> Rat Patrol 60s drama
> Mchale's Navy 60s comedy
> Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.
>
> I can't think of any more but I sure y'all will let me know what I missed.

Here's one that probably no one else has heard of:

Campo 44, a Hogan's Heroes knock-off set in an Italian POW camp.  It
lasted all of four episodes or so.  My father (an Italian vet) and I
watched in faithfully.  It came out shortly after Hogan's Heroes (mid
1960s).
--
Joe Barone
[email-masked]
Booker, get me my uniform!

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 16:53:54 EDT
From:    GERMAN 101/102 LAB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: INF: German uniform question

In regards to the breast plate worn in some of the WW II movies, what
you are referring to is the FELDJAEGER or Military Police breastplate.

Dale Lally
St. Lawrence University
Canton NY 13617
[email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 16:54:36 -0400
From:    Peter Smith <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

Kurt Luginbyhl <[email-masked]> asked:
> Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 90s?
> I could only come up with a few.
> Combat! 60s drama
> 12 O'clock High drama 60s
> Hogan's Heros comedy 60s
> Rat Patrol 60s drama
> Mchale's Navy 60s comedy
> Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.

The Gallant Men (60's drama -- infantry in Italy)

Ba Ba Black Sheep (70's drama -- Marine aviation in Solomons)

Mister Roberts (60's comedy descended from good 50's film descended from
outstanding 40's book -- Naval transport in Pacific)

There was also a 50's drama about a submarine in the Pacific who's name
I've been trying to remember forever.  All I can remember about it was
that Forrest Tucker was one of the actors.  Anyone?
--
Peter Smith -- Data General Corp., Westboro, MA
[email-masked] (preferred) or [email-masked]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 15:58:20 -0500
From:    Jon Stevens <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: WWII TV shows

On Wed, 4 May 1994, Barone wrote:

> H. A. Kurt Luginbyhl writes:
> > Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the
> > 50s - 90s?
> >
> > I could only come up with a few.
> > Combat! 60s drama
> > 12 O'clock High drama 60s
> > Hogan's Heros comedy 60s
> > Rat Patrol 60s drama
> > Mchale's Navy 60s comedy
> > Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.
> >
> > I can't think of any more but I sure y'all will let me know what I missed.
>
> Here's one that probably no one else has heard of:
>
> Campo 44, a Hogan's Heroes knock-off set in an Italian POW camp.  It
> lasted all of four episodes or so.  My father (an Italian vet) and I
> watched in faithfully.  It came out shortly after Hogan's Heroes (mid
> 1960s).
> --
> Joe Barone

What about "Black Sheep Squadron"?  This was probably the best WWII tv
series besides "Combat!"   My dad, a USMC vetern of WWII, never
missed it. It was quite disappointing when it was cancelled.  Actual
Corsairs and imitation Zeros were great to watch.

Jon Stevens

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 15:24:56 CDT
From:    Jesse Carnes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

Do not forget to add the short-lived show :

"The Gallent Men"

Jesse

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 17:19:00 -0400
From:    Christopher Morton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: INF: German uniform question

>
>
>         Joe,
>         a question to you through the group so please anybody/everybody jump in.
>  In
>         the past we have talked about uniforms and their accuracy in movies and
> tv
>         shows, on this vein I've a question. In some "COMBAT" shows as well as
>         other video media some Germans are wearing a type of "breastplate" shape
> d
>         sort of like a halfmoon, while in other "COMBAT" episodes, and other wwi
> i
>         videos, the breast-plate is not visible. The breastplate looks to be abo
> ut
>         6 to 8 inches wideand about 3 + inches deep. Anyone got any ideas as to
>         what this is??? I'd hate to think it was a dog-tag, the size being that
> big
>         and it's being worn outside the uniform but...
>
That is the gorget of the military police.  It is the equivalent of the U.S.
"MP" arm brassard, or the British red cap cover.

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 18:22:41 EDT
From:    "Jonah Triebwasser, Adjunct Instructor,
         Marist Coll" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

>Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 90s?
>
>I could only come up with a few.
>
Victory at Sea and The Valiant Years (the series about Winston
Churchill's contribution to WWII) are my favorites!

Jonah Triebwasser
Adjunct Instructor
Marist College
Dyson Building (Adult Education)
Poughkeepsie, New York12601
Tel: (914) 575-3331, ext. 7037
E-Mail: [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 19:15:25 EDT
From:    Richard Kaplan <[email-masked]>
Subject: TRV: World War II Television

I am an afficianado of Combat, 12 O'clock High, and Rat Patrol.  But there was
an espionage show with Robert Goulet portraying a double agent.  I don't
remember the show's name or station.  Does it ring a bell with anyone?  Also
wasn't there a series in the 70s with David Jansen or Ben Gazzara about the
Red Ball Express?

                                Richard Kaplan
                                Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh

P.S.  On its way to creating a modern army, or maybe thats what distinguishes
a modern army; the Israelis adopted a Kosher SPAM with the appropriated British
name of loof. (Thats how the Hebrew is transliterated from loaf.)  Every bit as
loved or distained as the original.

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 19:11:00 -0400
From:    DAVID WILMA 415-744-2485 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

          How is the word "gorget" pronounced?

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 16:18:11 -0700
From:    Joshua A Fleming <[email-masked]>
Subject: German paratroopers dropped sans chutes?

     A Question.....

Somewhere I read that the Germans dropped paratroopers into the snow out
of lowflying aircraft on the Russian front sans parachutes.   Is this true?

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 19:14:00 -0400
From:    DAVID WILMA 415-744-2485 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

          Gallant Men, a Quinn Martin Production, infantry squad in Italy.

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 18:51:10 -0500
From:    GEORGE BAUER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: OK!  That DOES it!  SUBJECT HEADINGS

I agree with Lou about the importance of subject lines.

I personally think they are considerably more important than the abbreviations.
You have to have a dictionary to use them, and to intrepret them when mail
is received, so I rely considerably on the subject headings.

Unfortunately, I have to read a lot of messages unnecessarily, and I am
afraid I miss messages I would consider important because the subject
heading is no longer relevant.

Personally, I second the motion for more accurate subject headings.

George Bauer
U.S.A.:  [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 17:01:00 -0700
From:    Jim Benn <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

"The BLUE LIGHT"; about an American turncoat working for the Nazis who
was  really a spy; Mid 60's.

Jim Benn.

On Wed, 4 May 1994, Peter Smith wrote:

> Kurt Luginbyhl <[email-masked]> asked:
> > Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 90s?
> > I could only come up with a few.
> > Combat! 60s drama
> > 12 O'clock High drama 60s
> > Hogan's Heros comedy 60s
> > Rat Patrol 60s drama
> > Mchale's Navy 60s comedy
> > Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.
>
> The Gallant Men (60's drama -- infantry in Italy)
>
> Ba Ba Black Sheep (70's drama -- Marine aviation in Solomons)
>
> Mister Roberts (60's comedy descended from good 50's film descended from
> outstanding 40's book -- Naval transport in Pacific)
>
> There was also a 50's drama about a submarine in the Pacific who's name
> I've been trying to remember forever.  All I can remember about it was
> that Forrest Tucker was one of the actors.  Anyone?
> --
> Peter Smith -- Data General Corp., Westboro, MA
> [email-masked] (preferred) or [email-masked]
>

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 17:24:01 PDT
From:    Sidney Allinson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

That half-moon chestplate is the symbol of German Military Police.
Known to ordinary soldiers as "chain dogs".
(More polite than what our side called MPs  :-)  )

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 17:30:23 PDT
From:    Sidney Allinson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: TRV: World War II Television

For Robert Kaplan...
        That Robert Goulet espionage show was entitled:
                THE BLUE LAMP.
Got cancelled just when it was getting good.
Or, was it THE BLUE LIGHT?  :-)

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 17:33:57 PDT
From:    Sidney Allinson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: German paratroopers dropped sans chutes?

Yes, and the last thing their Felbwebel said was:
        OKAY MEN, WHEN YOU HIT THE GROUND -- SPREAD OUT!

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 5 May 1994 10:17:43 +1000
From:    John Foster <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

Hi Kurt
      You wrote the folowing.
>Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 90s?

   My favourite was "The Gallant Men" a "Combat" rival

   By the way you guys I'm a happy little vegemiter but as a kid I really
thought it was a treat when we had Spam with a salad(which I didn't like).
                                                             Regards
                                                              John

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 18:00:48 -0700
From:    Gerry Walker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: WWII TV shows

Seems to me I remember a show called "The Silent Service" but, I think the
it may have been more of a documentary type...

Cheers,

Gerry

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 18:17:49 -0400
From:    Bob Smart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: Combat! marathon

> Kurt Luginbyhl <[email-masked]> asked:
> > Does anyone have a list of the television shows about WWII from the 50s - 9
0s?
> > I could only come up with a few.
> > Combat! 60s drama
> > 12 O'clock High drama 60s
> > Hogan's Heros comedy 60s
> > Rat Patrol 60s drama
> > Mchale's Navy 60s comedy
> > Dirty Dozen 80s comedy :) It was really bad and not worth watching! INHO.
>
> The Gallant Men (60's drama -- infantry in Italy)
>
> Ba Ba Black Sheep (70's drama -- Marine aviation in Solomons)
>
> Mister Roberts (60's comedy descended from good 50's film descended from
> outstanding 40's book -- Naval transport in Pacific)
>
> There was also a 50's drama about a submarine in the Pacific who's name
> I've been trying to remember forever.  All I can remember about it was
> that Forrest Tucker was one of the actors.  Anyone?

I don't remember a TV show about a sub but I do remember a movie about a
submarine (Operation Petticoat?) subamrine in the Philipines damaged in initial
Japnese attack is put back together with scrounged parts. It then attempts to
escape to Australia on balky engines . Along the way it picks up some nurses,
Philipinos, and gets painted pink ( They got some red lead paint & some white
lead paint  but not enough of eather to paint the whole ship.)

As far as TV shows there was

'Wackiest ship in the Army' ( take off of the movie)

A Mchales navy type show about a navy motor pool run by some WAVEs. (Can't
remember the name - mid to late 60's

Bob Smart ([email-masked])

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Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 21:27:09 -0500
From:    GEORGE BAUER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA: WWII TV shows

The Black Sheep were my favorites too...

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 4 May 1994 23:44:09 EDT
From:    Matthew Gajkowski <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: German paratroopers ...

Funny, but I heard that the Russians tried jumping out of low flying aircraft
in deep snow.

Matthew Gajkowski

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