Subject: WWII-L Digest - 5 Apr 1995 to 6 Apr 1995

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There are 50 messages totalling 1502 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Raid on Cabanatuan #12
  2. WEAP: Attack Transports -- MODEL reissued!
  3. Condor Bomber - TV Bomb? (2)
  4. Movies
  5. INF: USN Chronology 04-06-95
  6. World War II Movies
  7. SS and party membership
  8. MEDIA:Hitler's Body
  9. Great World War II movies.
 10. WEAP: Attack Transports (6)
 11. Whitmann vs Pool
 12. good books on the Pacific
 13. Weap: Fritz-X
 14. WEAP: Fw-200 Condor and TV-guided bomb
 15. Naval Archives Internet A
 16. Wehrmacht Atrocities
 17. REF
 18. Russia Enters the Pacific
 19. WWII Movies (3)
 20. Save one for Mainz-Reply (2)
 21. <No subject given>
 22. 1995 Ghost Calendar (2)
 23. WEAP: Ship designations (was: Attack Transports) (2)
 24. V-E Commemoration
 25. B-17 In Kansas City
 26. World War II Movies -Reply
 27. MEDIA:Okinawa Pt.2
 28. WEAP: LC designations
 29. MOVIE:  Battleground
 30. Spam (2)
 31. WEAP:   LST, LCM, LCVP etc. designations
 32. THUNDERBOLT
 33. INF: 50 Years Ago - 06-APR-1945
 34. "US Warships of World War II"
 35. WEAP: Attack Transports -Reply
 36. REF -Reply
 37. Wehrmacht Atrocities -Reply
 38. Ahnenerbe

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Date:    Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:41:23 -0700
From:    James Wilson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Raid on Cabanatuan #12

INSTALLMENT TWELVE IN A SERIES

Raid on Cabanatuan
a scenario of the published book
"Raid on Cabanatuan"
by Forrest Bryant Johnson
(C) 1988 A Thousand Autumns Press
all rights reserved
REPRODUCED ELECTRONICALLY WITH PERMISSION
4/5/95

January 28. (Night)
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Lt. Col. Mucci and his Rangers meet with Filipino guerrilla captain
Joson who begins to guide them to Captain Pajota and the POW camp. The
Rangers cross 25 miles of flat land, narrowly avoiding detection by
Japanese patrols and convoys moving north in retreat.

January 29. (Day)
------------------

Captain Pajota's guerrillas mobilize from the mountains and small farms
and villages to meet and prepare to assist the Rangers.

Mucci and his Rangers along with Capt. Joson and his guerrillas arrive
at Barrio (village) Balangkare. They link up with the Alamo Scout teams
who made it through safely. Captain Pajota and some of his men arrive
after learning of the Japanese troop movement in retreat north along the
road in front of the POW camp and of Oyabu's men camped at the Cabu
River. Lt. Col. Mucci sends a radio message... "New developments...
24 hour delay..."

January 29. (Dusk)
-------------------

The Rangers and guerrilla move on another two miles to Barrio Platero.
Now they are only two miles from the POW camp. They are greeted at
the village by 20 beautiful girls who are sent from other villages for
the special visitors. In tribute, a touching scene takes place that has
a strong emotional effect on the Rangers - The girls sing "God Bless
America."

The Platero Filipinos entertain the Americans with folk dances, food and
song while the Scouts and guerrillas continue to keep the POW camp and
Japanese commander Oyabu's force at Cabu Bridge under surveillance.

January 30. (Morning)
-----------------------

The American surveillance of the Japanese continues by the Scouts
while the Rangers gather to learn of Captain Prince's plan for the raid.
The plan is altered as new information arrives by runners from the
Scouts.

The raid is now scheduled for that evening.

--- TO BE CONTINUED ---
(For info on obtaining a copy of the Book and/or scenario,  and or
missed List episodes, E-Mail:  Jim Wilson :  [email-masked])

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:34:15 -0500
From:    "Louis R. Coatney" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports -- MODEL reissued!

> Ed Kettler was telling us a couple of days ago about Attack Transports (APAs),
> and whether they carried LCVPs or LCMs.
>
> Since I first read Kenneth Dodson's "Away All Boats!" somewhere around 25
> years ago, I've always wonderered what the initials in things like "LCVP",
> "LCM", "LST" , and so on, mean. Can anyone give details of these, and some
> information on the boats themselves.
>
> Thanks,
> Wilber

Wilber, et al:

     Revell/Monogram has reissued its Attack Transport RANDALL kit
for about $12.00 US -- also the Seaplane Tender kit for about the
same.

     Those classic old kits are beautiful to behold.  Someone at
R/M had the creative sense to reissue them in their orginal box
designs.  Gosh!  35 years ago was only yesterday!  :-)

Lou Coatney, [email-masked]

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Date:    Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:01:03 -0700
From:    Sidney Allinson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Condor Bomber - TV Bomb?

TV guided bombs were used by both the Germans and the Americans.
Though not quite the same thing, by the way, Lt Joseph Kennedy USN
(brother of JFK) was killed aboard an explosive laden Liberator
bomber about to be sent against a target by means of TV remote control.

Sidney.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 02:44:15 -0400
From:    Tripp Alyn <[email-masked]>
Subject: Movies

To echo others, an interesting thread.....
How about:   IN HARMS WAY (John Wayne, Kirk Douglas, Henry Fonda)
             TASK FORCE (Gary Cooper--great scenes of CV-1 Langley
                and CV-3 Saratoga....old VE-6s trapping on Langley)
             2 Steve McQueen flicks--THE WAR LOVER (already mentioned)
                and HELL IS FOR HEROES about ground operations.
             DECISION BEFORE DAWN (Richard Basehart, Oskar Werner)-great
                look at Germany on the run in the fading days of spring.
             CROSS OF LORRAINE--French resistance
             CARRIER X--hardly ever shown, about a TBF squadron on the,
                probably LEX or SARA in the spring of 1942 (Don Ameche is
                the CAG...great role).
             30 SECONDS OVER TOKYO---great flying scenes about practice
                in Florida to prep the B-25 crews for carrier takeoffs.
                You will recognize the flying scenes that were used again
                in the opening scenes of MIDWAY (Spencer Tracy,Van
                        Johnson, Robert Mitchum).
             SAILOR OF THE KING---Jeffrey Hunter portrays a captured
                sailor who fights back aboard a German ship.
             OPERATION PACIFIC--John Wayne, Ward Bond aboard a sub
             FIGHTER SQUADRON - Edmund O'Brien and Robert Stack lead
                a P-47 squadron.  If you love "Jugs" try these scenes!
             FIGHTER COMMAND - Sterling Hayden, good shots of "little
                friends."
             COMMAND DECISION - Clark Gable leads this alternative to
                12 O'CLOCK HIGH..not bad either.
             RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP - Gable, Lancaster aboard a sub try to
                take a Jap....er, 'scuse me Sons of Nippon destroyer with
                a bow shot.
             DESTINATION TOKYO---Cary Grant, Alan Hale aboard a sub that
                slips into Tokyo Bay to radio barrage blimp positions to
                the Doolittle Raiders enroute aboard HORNET.
             I WANTED WINGS --Ray Milland, Wayne Morris...some of the best
                flight training scenes at the Texas air bases.
             BOMBADIER---training for...yes, you guessed it!
             AIR FORCE---John Garfield...a great look inside the B-17A and
                arrive in the Pacific on 7 Dec 41.
             DESPERATE JOURNEY---Ronald Reagan, Alan Hale.  Worth seeing
                to watch former Pres. Reagan drop a "big one" at the end.
             THEY WERE  EXPENDABLE ---PT boats @ Cavite, a holding action.
                The Duke, Robert Montgomery, Ward Bond.
             WINGS OF EAGLES---The Duke, Dan Dailey early days of naval
                aviation and development of the CVE "Jeep" carriers.
             oops! that was BOMBARDIER....
Enough already!  This ran longer than expected, hope it was helpful.
Tripp Alyn.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:00:17 PST
From:    "Keller, Theron P." <[email-masked]>
Subject: INF: USN Chronology 04-06-95

UNITED STATES NAVY CHRONOLOGY
from:
//byrd.mu.wvnet.edu/pub/history/military/wwii/naval_chronology/chr4(4,5).txt

1945
04/06 Fri. First heavy attack is made by Japanese suicide planes
           on United States ships at Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands;
           similar attacks persist throughout the Okinawa campaign.
            United States naval vessels sunk, Okinawa area:
             Destroyer BUSH (DD-529), by suicide plane,
              27 d. 16'N., 127 d. 48'E.
             Destroyer COLHOUN (DD-801), damaged by suicide plane,
              27 d. 16'N., 127 d. 48'E.;
              sunk by United States forces.
             High-speed minesweeper EMMONS (DMS-22), damaged by
              suicide plane,
              26 d. 48'N., 128 d. 04'E.;
              sunk by United States forces.
             LST 447, by suicide plane,
              26 d. 09'N., 127 d. 18'E.
            United States naval vessels damaged, Okinawa area:
             Battleship NORTH CAROLINA (BB-55), accidentally by
              United States naval gunfire,
              26 d. 41'N., 129 d. 32'E.
             Light carrier SAN JACINTO (CVL-30), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 46'N., 129 d. 43'E.
             Light cruiser PASADENA (CL-65), accidentally by
              United States naval gunfire,
              27 d. 00'N., 129 d. 00'E.
             Destroyer MORRIS (DD-417), by suicide plane,
              25 d. 55'N., 127 d. 52'E.
             Destroyer BENNETT (DD-473), by suicide plane,
              27 d. 16'N., 127 d. 48'E.
             Destroyer HUTCHINS (DD-476), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 00'N., 128 d. 00'E.
             Destroyer LEUTZE (DD-481), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 38'N., 127 d. 28'E.
             Destroyer MULLANY (DD-528), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 24'N., 128 d. 10'E.
             Destroyer HARRISON (DD-573), by suicide plane,
              27 d. 05'N., 129 d. 22'E.
             Destroyer NEWCOMB (DD-586), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 38'N., 127 d. 28'E.
             Destroyer HOWORTH (DD-592), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 32'N., 127 d. 40'E.
             Destroyer HAYNESWORTH (DD-700), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 55'N., 129 d. 29'E.
             Destroyer HYMAN (DD-731), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 45'N., 127 d. 42'E.
             destroyer TAUSSIG (DD-746), by horizontal bomber,
              27 d. 07'N., 128 d. 39'E.
             Destroyer escort WITTER (DE-636), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 04'N., 127 d. 52'E.
             Destroyer escort FIEBERLING (DE-640), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 48'N., 128 d. 04'E.
             High-speed minesweeper RODMAN (DMS-21),
              by suicide plane,
              26 d. 48'N., 128 d. 04'E.
             High-speed minesweeper HARDING  (DMS-28), by horizontal
              bomber,
              26 d. 00'N., 127 d. 00'E.
             Minesweeper FACILITY (AM-133), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 00'N., 127 d. 00'E.
             Minesweeper RANSOM (AM-283), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 48'N., 128 04'E.
             Minesweeper DEFENSE (AM-317), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 38'N., 127 31'E.
             Minesweeper DEVASTOR (AM-318), by suicide plane,
              26 d. 26'N., 127'40'E.
             Motor minesweeper YMS 311, by suicide plane,
              26 d. 38'N., 127 d. 48'E,
             Motor minesweeper YMS 321, by suicide plane,
              26 d. 00'N,, 128 d. 00'E.
             Submarine chaser PCS-1390, accidentally by United States
              naval gunfire,
              26 d. 00'N., 128 d. 00'E.
             Attack transport BARNETT (APA-5), accidentally by United
              States naval gunfire,
              26 d. 21'N., 127 d. 43'E.
             High-speed transport DANIEL T. GRIFFIN (APD-38), by
              collision,
              25 d. 57  N., 127 d. 57'E.
             Attack cargo ship LEO (AKA-60), accidentally by United
              States naval gunfire,
              26 d. 21'N., 127 d. 43'E.
             LST 241, accidentally by United States naval gunfire,
              26 d. 20'N., 127 d. 45'E.
             LST 1000, accidentally by United States naval gunfire,
              26 d. 21'N., 127 d. 44'E.
            Japanese naval vessels sunk:
             Destroyer AMATSUKAZE, by Army aircraft, off China,
              23 d. 55'N., 117 d. 40'E.
             Minesweeper NO. 22, by submarine BESUGO (SS-321),
              Netherlands East Indies area,
              08 d. 13'S., 119 d. 14'E.
             Coast defense vessels NOs. 2 and 134, by Army aircraft, off
              China,
              23 d. 55'N., 117 d. 40'E.

Information compiled by U.S. Navy Historians.  For more information,
contact the Naval Historical Center at (202) 433-3940.
Archived by: "Larry W. Jewell" <[email-masked]>
Posted by:
Theron P. Keller
Logicon, Inc.
Dahlgren, VA  22448 USA
[email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:56:00 EDT
From:    mc killop <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: World War II Movies

 >A couple that I don't think have been mentioned yet:
 >
 >        Von Ryan's Express
 >        Merrill's Marauders
 >
 >Also I saw a promo that A&E is going to be showing "The Winds of War"
 >sometime in late April. I think this might be the first time it's been
 >shown since the original broadcast.
 >
 >Rod Rupert    [email-masked]

Read Herman Wouk's THE WINDS OF WAR; it is much better than the TV
film!

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:34:40 EDT
From:    William Lippert <[email-masked]>
Subject: SS and party membership

Here are a couple of people that did not have official party status but
were high members in the SS and the Reich government:

Heinrich Mueller: deputy chief of the Gestapo
Arthur Nebe: Chief of the Kriminal Police

Withholding party membership from Mueller had the effect of making him
work that much harder to show his loyalty to the regime.

William Lippert
The American University

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:20:24 GMT-6
From:    "Robert T. Moore" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MEDIA:Hitler's Body

Hello, Glen!

I want to say about 3 seconds.

Terry

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:23:23 GMT-6
From:    "Robert T. Moore" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Great World War II movies.

Hello, Lou!

> The most unforgettable foreign film I have seen is "The
>   Ballad of the Soldier," about a young Soviet rifleman's
>   anti-tank heroism and then rear-echelon adventures to
>   get home on leave to see his mother.

    I agree with this. Do you know if this can be found in video
stores? I have seen this one only once, but I have never forgotten it.

    Thanks again.

    Terry

 >
> Lou Coatney, [email-masked]
>

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:32:26 -0400
From:    Larry Bond <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports

Wilber, there is an excellent new book, called D-Day Ships, by Yves
Buffetaut, from the Naval Institute press. It describes in detail the
development and purpose of the many varieties of amphibiopus ships that
participated in the Normandy landings, as well as giving some excellent
history on the landings itself. Photos and drawings are excellent, and it's
well-written.

      Larry Bond

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:36:27 GMT-6
From:    "Robert T. Moore" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Whitmann vs Pool

Hello, Matthew!

Thanks for the post. I wasn't aware of Mr. Pool. Even so, Wittmann
destroyed 138 tanks plus many many other vehicles. In your post about
Mr. Pool you mention only vehicles. Any idea how many tanks he
destroyed?

Thanks again.

Terry

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:30:27 -0400
From:    Peter Smith <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: good books on the Pacific

Yesterday, Arnaud asked:
>
> Can anyone recommend any Good book(s) of English language which
> provide a solid description of nav/air ops in the Pacific ?
> There are plenty of good "general" books describing the overall strategy, but
> I am looking for those rare books which focuse on describing operations, with fi-
> gures, unit names, Orders of Battles, and hard data.
> I wonder if anyone attempted to give a comprehensive picture of Jap and U.S. dep
> loyment at certain dates in the Pacific, with location of air assets and important
> ships etc. If not, I would be interested by such a project.

The full fifteen volumes of Samuel Elliot Morison's _History of United States
Naval Operations in World War II_ is quite detailed on "who, what, and where,"
although subsequent scholarship improves on the "why".  His later condensation
_The Two-Ocean War_ is more readable but lacks the detail that Arnaud is
probably looking for.  The same for Nick Van Der Vat's _The Pacific Campaign_,
although the latter does give a valuable British insight on what is often
portrayed as an all-American theater.

Our own listmember John Lundstrom's _The First Team_ and _The First Team in
the Guadalcanal Campaign_ are unmatched in their coverage of naval aviation.

I also second Scott's recomendation of Gordon Prange's books.
--
Peter Smith -- [email-masked]
Data General Corp., Westboro, Massachusetts  (for whom I do not speak)

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:35:35 -0500
From:    Ron Babuka <[email-masked]>
Subject: Weap: Fritz-X

In my Handy Dandy "Encyclopedia of WWII" the following is listed for Fritz-X:

The  Fritz-X was a German air-to-ground suided glide bomb, and was also
known as FX-1400 or SD-1400.  It could be controlled during its drop by an
observer in the parent aircraft passing commands via a radio link.  It was
basically a 1400 kg armor-piercing bomb to which small wings and a tail
unit containing the quidance mechanism had been added.  Signals recieved by
the radio reciever in the bomb caused 'spoilers' on the tail surface to be
raised into the airstream, thus modifying the bomb'd trajectory.
Development began in 1939 and final trials were done in Italy in early
1942.  Its most notable success was the sinking of the Italian battleship
Roma on 9 September 1943, which was achieved by hits with three Fritz-X
bombs.

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Cornell University
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(607) 254-6492

Fax: 607-254-6404
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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:54:18 -0400
From:    "Matthew R. Burchette" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Fw-200 Condor and TV-guided bomb

Fellas,
If you want to know more about the Fritz X and other German guided missles
(sounds like the end of a Hallmark Hall of Fame TV show don't it?) Schiffer
Publishing has a good book out called German Guided Missiles ISBN :
0-88740-475-8. The book is mainly a photojournal but it does have enough text
to give you a good background on these weapons.
Matthew Burchette

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:35:09 GMT
From:    Dan Wilson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports

     Can we add an explanation for the designations like "BB", "DD", "CV"
     and the like? This has mystified me for years and no one that I've
     talked to can provide an answer (even ex Navy types).

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: WEAP: Attack Transports
Author:  _WWII-L (SMTP.WWIIL) at SSWGATE
Date:    04/06/95 12:36 AM

Ed Kettler was telling us a couple of days ago about Attack Transports (APAs),
and whether they carried LCVPs or LCMs.

Since I first read Kenneth Dodson's "Away All Boats!" somewhere around 25
years ago, I've always wonderered what the initials in things like "LCVP",
"LCM", "LST" , and so on, mean. Can anyone give details of these, and some
information on the boats themselves.

Thanks,
Wilber

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:49:36 -0400
From:    "Carl D. Fago" <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: Attack Transports

Well, as a list newbie and an ex-sailor I'll put my foot out...

BB = Battleship  (why "BB" and not "B", I don't know)
DD = Destroyer   (same as above)
DE = Destroyer, Escort
CV = Carrier, Fixed Wing
CVN = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear  (ok, not WWII)
LCT = Landing Craft, Tank
LST = Long Slow Target (ok, really Landing Ship, Tank)
LCM = Landing Craft, Mechanized

Just some off the top of my head.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:14:00 UTC
From:    "Edward S. Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Naval Archives Internet A

  The address is: Operational Archives Branch, Naval History Division,
Building 57, Washington Navy Yard, Washington DC 20374.  202-433-2210.
Director is Bernard Cavalcante.
  I believe WWII records have been transferred during the 1990s to the
Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Center, 7th St. and
Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20408.  The principal naval archivists
are Richard Von Doenhoff, 202-501-5671, Barry Zerby -4887, and Will Mahoney.
  The Operational Archives probably has retained microfilm copies of some of
the more important WWII files.

Edward Miller   [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:35:34 -0400
From:    Barone <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Wehrmacht Atrocities

Neil C. Carmichael <[email-masked]> writes:
> actually it was a book called Hitlers Tuetonic Knights, or something
> like that.  It was the first 10 SS division.  but I will look into
> the book you mentioned.

        I'm not quite sure what this is in response to, but there is
a book entitled, "Hitler's Tuetonic Knights: SS Panzers in Action",
which covers all of the SS *Panzer* and *Panzergrenadier* divisions.
The author is Bruce Quarrie.
--
Joe Barone
[email-masked]
When we go into battle, we like to play music.
Loud music.  We find that it calms us...

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:01:49 -0400
From:    Christopher Dale Bailey <[email-masked]>
Subject: REF

     This is my first posting on this list, so please bear with me.
I am a college student planning on majoring in history.  I have a
paper due on Rommel and would greatly appreciate anything anyone
wold like to contribute.  If you would advise any books or impart
any personal knowledge, it would be greatly appreciated.
                                             Chris Bailey
                                             La Grange College
                                             La Grange, GA
                              [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:06:33 EDT
From:    Henry Sirotin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Russia Enters the Pacific

Dear Terry,

The true IJA Kwangtung Army was largely gone by the time the Soviets
attacked it- it had been fed piecemeal into the Pacific campaigns in
1943-44, and bypassed, sunk at sea by Submarines Pacific, or beaten
in combat by US Marines and Army. The forces the Soviets overran
were newly raised divisions the Japanese themselves considered
inferior. I can provide some detail on the history of the Kwangtung
Army divisions if any one is interested.

Regards,

Henry Sirotin

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:54:51 -0500
From:    Greg Kelley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WWII Movies

On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, mc killop wrote:

>  >I may have missed it, but I haven't seen THE WAR LOVER mentioned.
>
> I believe it was Ernest K Gann (although ye olde gray matter would
> not swear to it) wrote a book entitled EVERYTHING BUT THE FLACK
> that described the resurrection, repair and flight of one of the
> B-17s in the movie from th SW USA to England.  The part about them
> landing in Portugal and being thrown in jail was a riot.  I highly
> recommend the book for light reading.

EVERYTHING BUT THE FLAK.
     Martin Caidin.  Duell, Sloan & Pearce, 1964.

(yeah, I gotta a copy at home-- it IS neat!)

                                          Glad To Be Of Service!

                                          Greg Kelley
                                          St. Paul Public Library
                                          [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:32:12 -0500
From:    Joseph Feld <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Save one for Mainz-Reply

On 4 April 1995 Laurie Peloquin writes:
>According to statistics in Webster and Frankland _The Strategic Air
>Offensive against Germany 1939-1945_, Volume IV, Mainz was 61% destroyed
>by 1945, while Nuremberg was only 51% destroyed.  The city that was
>hardest hit was Wuppertal/Elberfield, at 94%.  Considering that it is
>located in the Ruhr Valley, where the greatest number of attacks
>occurred, this number is not surprising.  Even so, this devastation was
>the result of only one mission in June 1943.

I'm curious, does the reference you cite state a source for the data (i.e.
Allied bombeer crews, post-war surveys, etc.)?  The 80% figure I stated
earlier for Mainz was based on German figures (admittedly, some were
written thirty or forty years after the fact), and I'm wondering about the
discrepency.

Joseph Feld
[email-masked]
Ferndale, MI

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:03:19 -0400
From:    Christopher Dale Bailey <[email-masked]>
Subject: <No subject given>

     I was researching the topic of Rommel in the library the other
day, and came across an intteresting article from National Review
magizine dated March 1, 1993.
     The article states that the balance of the entire war was
changed on December 11, 1941.  The article goes on to state that
Hitler did not have to declare war on the U.S., His treaty signed
with Japan only obligated him to go to war with Japan if they were
attacked by the United States.  This poses a question for me:

     1.  Suppose Hitler had declared neutrality in the Pacific.
Suppose he had gone before the Reichstang and declared that he had
no quarrel with the United States.  I wonder if FDR would have
dared asked for a declaration of war in the face of such generous
German sentiments????????????????????????

_________________________________________________________________Chris Bailey                            LaGrange College
LaGrange, GA                            [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:43:26 -0500
From:    Ron Babuka <[email-masked]>
Subject: 1995 Ghost Calendar

I am looking at the Me-108 "Taifun" on the April page of the 1995 Ghost
calendar and I have two questions if anyone else has the same calendar:

1) There appears to be two machine gun barrels added UNDERNEATH the wings -
so was the Me-108 armed in this manner or is this an increadibly bad
restoration?

2) there appears to be two cowling openings on the upper cowling - are
these air intacs/gun openings or are they fake gun openings on another bad
restoration project?

I have seen several "Taifuns" byt cannot remember if I saw any preperations
for carrying weapons.

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Ron Babuka
Cornell University
CIT - Information Resources
Ithaca, New York 14850
(607) 254-6492

Fax: 607-254-6404
http://ir-www.cit.cornell.edu/IR_staff/ron_babuka.html

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:18:54 -0500
From:    Joe Pohlmann <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Condor Bomber - TV Bomb?

Terry,

    The Fritz X radio guided bomb was able to be controlled from the
bombadier of the aircraft (usually a Condor or a Do-217E-2), but it
was not TV guided.  According to the Discovery Channel's report (and
my own reading), the Fritz X was controlled much like a radio controlled
airplane today would be.  It was a "line of sight" controlled bomb, which
meant that the bombadier would have to watch the bomb out of his bomb
bay and guide it to its target.  The disadvantage to this was the fact
that as the bomb fell further away, it got smaller to the bombadier, and
of course that made it harder to aim.

    The TV bomb, which wasn't designed until much later, allowed the
bombadier to watch the target through the nose of the bomb.  Therefore,
as the bomb fell further away from the bomber, it was getting closer to
the target, making it EASIER to hit the intended target.

    There were no operating TV guided bombs used during WWII (I think).

Just my $0.02,

Joe Pohlmann
[email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:11:33 -0400
From:    Mike Yaklich <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports

        LCVP= Landing Craft, Vehicle, Personnel

        Regards

        Mike Yaklich

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:18:00 PDT
From:    Julie Jenkins <[email-masked]>
Subject: WWII Movies

Since someone mentioned the Best Years of Our Lives, and that by rights is
really a POSTwar movie (and the list of movies about immediate postwar life is
as endless as a list of actual WWII movies), I think it's fair to post THE
THIRD MAN w/Trevor Howard, Orson Welles, and Joseph Cotton.  If just one per-
son who has never seen that movie reads this & rents it, this posting is justi-
fied.  One of the best WWII philosophical movies ever made, because
it's by Grahame Greene, who knew how to shave an argument, besides being shot
in Vienna, besides the oh-so-famous score.

And category of "forest for the trees," I don't think anyone
has posted Noel Coward`s IN WHICH WE SERVE--NOT a documentary, a regular,
acted out movie about a destroyer crew.

Also, to be fair, 5 Fingers is a thriller set in WWII because it's based on a
true story.  But the list of thrillers/spy movies set in WWII because wars al-
ways produce good material for thrillers is endless: what about Eye of the Need
le?, Key to Rebecca? etc., etc.  AMC is always showing one w/Rex Harrison. What
do these count as?

Finally, one more immediate postwar, unfair, but if just one person sees. . .
STRAY DOG--exJapanese Imperial Army soldier trying to reintegrate self into nor
mal life, very easy to get on video, because so famous--youthful Mifune for all
of you Tora Tora Tora fans, one of the movies that made him a star.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:28:14 GMT
From:    Dan Wilson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports

     I suffer from newbieitis as well. The BB and DD are the mystifing
     ones. Why the double letters? The V in CV is a little troubling as
     well. Standing by for the heavyweights.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: WEAP: Attack Transports
Author:  _WWII-L (SMTP.WWIIL) at SSWGATE
Date:    04/06/95 01:27 PM

Well, as a list newbie and an ex-sailor I'll put my foot out...

BB = Battleship  (why "BB" and not "B", I don't know)
DD = Destroyer   (same as above)
DE = Destroyer, Escort
CV = Carrier, Fixed Wing
CVN = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear  (ok, not WWII)
LCT = Landing Craft, Tank
LST = Long Slow Target (ok, really Landing Ship, Tank)
LCM = Landing Craft, Mechanized

Just some off the top of my head.

 +-------------------------------+------------------------------+
 | *-=Carl=-* [email-masked]       | A sucking chest wound is     |
 |            Owner - ASL-L      | Nature's way of telling you  |
 | Carl Fago  State College, PA  | to slow down.                |
 +-------------------------------+------------------------------+

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:54:24 -0400
From:    Henry Sirotin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Attack Transports

LST  Landing Ship, Tank
LCT  Landing Craft, Tank
LCI  Landing Craft, Infantry
LCM  Landing Craft, Medium
LCVP Landing Craft, Vehicular and Personnel

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:47:29 CCS
From:    Jorge Merino <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: Ship designations (was: Attack Transports)

Carl D. Fago wrote:

> Well, as a list newbie and an ex-sailor I'll put my foot out...
>
> BB = Battleship  (why "BB" and not "B", I don't know)
> DD = Destroyer   (same as above)
> DE = Destroyer, Escort
> CV = Carrier, Fixed Wing
> CVN = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear  (ok, not WWII)
> LCT = Landing Craft, Tank
> LST = Long Slow Target (ok, really Landing Ship, Tank)
> LCM = Landing Craft, Mechanized

Well, I'm not an ex-sailor, nor a naval expert, but I will add some more:

CC  = Battle Cruiser? (CV-2 Lexington was laid down as CC-1)
CA  = Cruiser, Armored (really Cruiser, Heavy)
CL  = Cruiser, Light
CVB = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Big(?)
CVE = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Escort
CVL = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Light
CVA = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Attack (not WWII)
CVS = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Antisubmarine (not WWII)
SC  = Submarine Chaser
SS  = Submarine
SSN = Submarine, Nuclear (not WWII)

I guess that US Navy wants to maintain at least two letters per designator,
so, if only one letter is needed, it's simply duplicated (BB, DD, SS, etc).

Could anyone confirm if the following ones are correct, or if not, could
anyone complete or explain them?

AM  = Auxiliary, Minesweeper? (Minesweeper)
AMc = Auxiliary, Minesweeper, coastal? (Minesweeper, Coastal)
CM  = ?? (Minelayer)
DM  = (ex)Destroyer, Minelayer? (Light Minelayer)
DMS = (ex)Destroyer, Minesweeper, Speed? (High Speed Minesweeper)
YMS = (Y)??, Minesweeper, (S)?? (Motor Minesweeper)
APD = Auxiliary, (P)??, (ex)Destroyer? (High Speed Transport)
AR  = Auxiliary, Repair (Repair Vessel)
AS  = Auxiliary, Submarine (Submsrine Tender)
ASR = Auxiliary, Submarine, Rescue (Submarine Rescue Vessel)
AV  = Auxiliary, Fixed Wing (Seaplane Tender)
AVD = Auxiliary, Fixed Wing, Destroyer (Seaplane Tender, Destroyer)
AVP = Auxiliary, Fixed Wing, (P)?? (Small Seaplane Tender)

Jorge Merino

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:48:00 -0600
From:    George Bauer <[email-masked]>
Subject: V-E Commemoration

Dick:

My cheapie internet provider doesn't include sender's address
in the header; only the wwii address.

Can you tell me your name and phone number here in Kansas City
so I can call?

[email-masked]

 * RoboBOARD/FX 1.04

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:45:00 -0600
From:    George Bauer <[email-masked]>
Subject: B-17 In Kansas City

The B-17 which will be in Kansas City for V-E day commemoration
is EAA's Aluminum Overcast.

I have been working on the Aviation Committee, which is involved
(among other things) with arranging for the Warbirds.

[email-masked]

 * RoboBOARD/FX 1.04

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:50:47 -0700
From:    Patrick Charles <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: World War II Movies -Reply

        Another great movie not mentioned, The 49th Parallel.  I think
Laurence Olivier was in it.  It was about German U-Boat sailors making
their way through Canada prior to U.S. entry into the war.

Patrick Charles
[email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:33:47 -0500
From:    "William L. Huber - SAA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WWII Movies

Does anybody ever remember seeing a movie called "Soul Survivor"?  It
is somewhat based on the story of the "Lady Be Good" except its a
ghost story too.  I really enjoyed that movie.

Another one that sticks in my mind is "Play Dirty" which is set in
North Africa around an LRDG (Long Range Desert Group - British)
mission.  Neat scene where they are trapped in a gully between a
German column and an Italian column and to get out they pump a few
mortar rounds in both directions to make them think the opposite
column is enemy.  While the Jerries and Italians are slugging it out
between themselves they merrily drive down the gully and escape.
Classic!

Cheers, Bill Huber / [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:38:13 -0400
From:    James E Irwin <[email-masked]>
Subject: MEDIA:Okinawa Pt.2

Continuing with the Philadelphia Inquirer article, which was written
by Tom Infield, an Inquirer staff writer.

        For more than 2 1/2 years, U.S. forces had been fighting their way,
from island to island, toward Japan; from Guadalcanal to Tarawa to
Saipan to Guam to Peleliu to Iwo Jima.
        In each place, the Japanese had refused to give up, even when they
were clearly beaten.  Their Bushido code of honor required them to die
first.  Great numbers of Americans died with them.  The previous battle,
at Iwo, had cost close to 7,000 U.S. lives.
        No one was looking forward to Okinawa.  It was to be the next-to-
last hop in the U.S. island-hopping campaign.  The final hop, according
to plan, would be to Japan itself.

        April 1 was Easter Sunday.  As the soldiers and Marines of the U.S.
10th Army went ashore, a fleet of 1200 ships established a protective
ring around Okinawa.
        Stationed at the outer edge of the ring was a group of destroyers
equipped with the latest radar gear.  Their job was to warn the fleet -
and their men on land - if planes were coming their way from Japan,
only 350 miles to the north, or from major Japanese airfields on
Formosa.
        Julian F. Becton, then a lieutenant commander, was captain of a
destroyer on this "picket line."  A 1931 graduate of the Naval Academy,
he had been at sea in the Atlantic when the Japanese attacked Pearl
Harbor.  Later, he had been at the naval battle of Guadalcanal, one
of the most intense sea fights ever.  He had helped bombard Utah Beach
when the Allies invaded Normandy.  He had fought in the Battle of Leyte
Gulf, in the Philippines.
        He already had experienced more combat than most sailors in
history.  But nothing in his experience prepared him for April 16, 1945.
        As always, Becton's crew was at battle stations when the first
glow of light warmed the sky.  Dawn was the most dangerous moment of the
day, when enemy planes could appear as if from nowhere.  Becton was
permitting a few men at a time to leave their stations to go to
breakfast.
        He knew kamikazes were coming his way, if not today, then tomorrow
or the next day.  The only chance the Japanese had to win the Battle
of Okinawa was to sink the American fleet.  The best weapons they had
left were the brave kamikaze pilots who crashed planes loaded with
TNT onto the decks of ships.
        _KAMIKAZE_ means "divine wind" in Japanese.  The term referred to
the miraculous salvation of Japan in the 13th century by a typhoon
that blew away a Mongol invasion fleet.  The Japanese longed for
another miracle to blow away the Americans.
        A few of the kamikazes were skilled pilots.  Many more were just
kids who knew little more than how to take off and steer their planes.
Really, they were nothing more than guided missiles, or maybe smart-
bombs.  But they had a religious zeal to die for their emperor.
        "They were all brainwashed, I guess," Becton said recently at his
home.  "You feared 'em, sure.  They kept on coming.  You could shoot
'em down, but more kept on coming after that."
        At 8:20 a.m., a squall of kamikazes suddenly appeared as spots of
white light on the Laffey's radar screens.  The planes were still
eight miles away, to the north.  The Laffey radioed the alarm to the
fleet, and got ready to defend itself.
        Soon, lookouts with binoculars saw the first four planes: all
Val dive-bombers, coming in from starboard.  Becton's job as
captain was to keep the ship turned sideways to the attackers, so
all the deck guns could be brought to bear.
        "But then the planes split," he said.  "Two of them went for
our fantail, and two of them were off to our left.  We got the ones
that were closest to us...We shot them down and then swung around
to the others.  We got the third one and then...."
        And then a small vessel, a landing craft, got the fourth.
        The guns suddenly fell silent.  Men on deck began to cheer, but
Becton barely had time to "exhale one deep breath of relief"
before another dive-bomber appeared high in the sky.
        The ack-ack guns on the starboard side opened up.  Some of
them, double-barreled 20mm guns known to sailors a pom-poms,
could spit out 450 rounds a minute.  Others were 40mm guns that
could do 160 a minute.  The plane broke into pieces and splintered
into the water.
        Now the fight was beginning in earnest.  Japanese planes were
coming from what seemed like all points of the compass, from high
and low.  Wearing a steel helmet and a life vest, Becton had to
stand out in the open so he could see what was going on.
        "The first plane that hit us came right in over the stern,"
he said.  The plane crashed into the big gun turret on the fantail.
Then a second plane crashed into the ship.  Then another. And
another.  And another.
        "Each time one crashed, there was always a flood of gasoline
from the plane - and one hell of a fire."
        "Near the end of the action, one of my officers, Frank Manson,
came to me and said, 'Captain, we're in pretty bad shape aft.  Do
you think you'll have to abandon ship?'
        "It never entered my mind to abandon ship.  The ship might sink
under us.  We might not be able to sail her.  But I wasn't going to
abandon her.
        "So I said, 'No, Frank, I'll never abandon ship as long as a gun
will fire.'"
        That last statement, later conveyed by Manson to reporters, was to
become a famous slogan in Navy history.
        The Laffey remained in almost continuous combat for an hour and
20 minutes, an unheard-of length of time.  Besides the five planes
that crashed into it, there were two that dropped bombs on it.  On
its own, it-managed to down nine of the 22 attackers.  Thirty-two
men aboard ship were dead and 71 were wounded.  The ship couldn't
be steered, and had to be towed into port.
        But it was still afloat.  Fifty years later, it remains a
famous ship of Okinawa, now a museum piece in dry dock at
Charleston SC.  For his role in saving it, Becton won the Navy
Cross in recognition of "extraordinary heroism."

To be continued....

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                     "Never in the field of human conflict
                     was so much owed by so many to so few."
                               Winston S. Churchill
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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:17:41 -0500
From:    Kelvin Brent Luther <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: LC designations

Here's a list I found of US Navy landing craft designations.
LCA       landing craft, assault
LCC       landing craft, control
LCF       landing craft, flak
LC (FF)   landing craft, flotilla flagship
LCI       landing craft, infantry
LCI (L)   landing craft, infantry (large)
LCM       landing craft, mechanized
LCP       landing craft, personnel
LCR       landing craft, rubber
LCS       landing craft, support
LCS (S)   landing craft, support (small)
LCT       landing craft, tank
LCT (R)   landing craft, tank (rocket)
LCV       landing craft, vehicle
LCVP      landing craft, vehicle, personnel
LSD       landing ship, dock
LSM       landing ship, medium
LSM (R)   landing ship, medium (rocket)
LST       landing ship, tank
LST (H)   landing ship, tank (hospital)
LSV       landing ship, vehicle
LVT       landing vehicle, tracked

Courtesy of "World War II:  4139 Strange and Fascinating Facts, Don
McCombs and Fred L. Worth

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:06:08 CST
From:    Gary R Speer <[email-masked]>
Subject: MOVIE:  Battleground

Austin, Texas held its annual "Spam-Arama" carnival this past weekend.
There were contests to see how far teams could throw Spam before it hit
the ground (like an egg-toss) or fell apart before the end of the contest.
(I do not know the winning distance.)  And, there was a cook-off contest, much
like the proverbial "Chili-cooking contests" Texans are prone to hold anytime!

In watching the vidoetape "Battleground", one scene near the end of the movie
shows C-47's re-supplying troops at Bastogne.  As men unrolled one of the
parachute packs, out rolled two cases labeled "SPAM."  A soldier looked at
the cases with a pained expression as he turned his head away in mild disgust.
I think I understand why the actor portrayed the scene in this manner!

Gary Speer

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:12:07 -0500
From:    Drew Halevy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Spam

There is a famous Sadsack cartoon of Sadsack being served spam (with the
sound of it being placed on the tray  as "SPAM!") and he gets a package
from home, and inside is a shipment of Spam from Mom!-Drew

Drew Philip Halevy    |
Grad Student          |         Is it tomorrow,
Department of History |         or just the end of time?
University of Arkansas|         -J.H.
[email-masked] |

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Date:    Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:29:56 +0200
From:    Emmanuel Gustin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: WEAP: Ship designations (was: Attack Transports)

On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Jorge Merino wrote:

> AM  = Auxiliary, Minesweeper? (Minesweeper)
Fleet minesweeper, steel (Concerning minesweepers, there are valid
reasons for distinguishing between hulls of steel, wood or composites.)

> AMc = Auxiliary, Minesweeper, coastal? (Minesweeper, Coastal)
Coastal minesweeper, wooden

> YMS = (Y)??, Minesweeper, (S)?? (Motor Minesweeper)
Motor Mine Sweeper. The 'Y' class is filled with lighters, drydocks,
derricks, and all kinds of auxiliaries.

The others are correct. My list is slightly outdated: I copied from 'Jane's
fighting ships of WWII'.

Emmanuel Gustin

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Date:    Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:35:49 +0200
From:    Emmanuel Gustin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: 1995 Ghost Calendar

On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Ron Babuka wrote:

> 1) There appears to be two machine gun barrels added UNDERNEATH the wings -
> so was the Me-108 armed in this manner or is this an increadibly bad
> restoration?

I never heard of any armament on a Bf 108. But some people have a bad
attitude and want to make them look like Bf 109s?

> 2) there appears to be two cowling openings on the upper cowling - are
> these air intacs/gun openings or are they fake gun openings on another bad
> restoration project?

The engine was the Argus As 10C : an inverted-Vee in-line air-cooled
engine. So it is perfectly normal for such an engine to have cooling
intakes in the upper part of the engine cowling.

Emmanuel Gustin

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:20:48 CST
From:    Gary R Speer <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP:   LST, LCM, LCVP etc. designations

List verified by two books:   Assault from the Sea 1939-45 by
  J. D. Ladd, 1976; Hippocrene Books, Call number  U 261 L32 1976B;
  Allied Landing Craft of WWII*; Naval Institute Press, 1985;  U 261 A45 1985
       *(best detailed b/w pictures)

APA Auxiliary Personnel Attack
LBK Landing Barge, Kitchen
LCA Landing Craft, Assault
LCC  Landing Craft, Control
LCI() Landing Craft, Infantry (several types D,G,M,L,R)
LCM  Landing Craft, Mechanised
LCP  Landing Craft, Personnel
LCR() Landing Craft, Rubber (large, small)
LCT() Landing Craft, Tank (A-armoured, R-rocket)
LCV  Landing Craft, Vehicle
LCVP Landing Craft, Vehicle, Personnel
LSD  Landing Ship, Dock
LSI() Landing Ship, Infantry (large, medium, small)
LSM() Landing Ship, Medium (R-rocket)
LST  Landing Ship, Tank
LSV  Landing Ship, Vehicle
LVT  Landing Vehicle, Tracked

Hope this is not confusing.

Gary Speer

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:12:20 -0400
From:    Laurie Peloquin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Save one for Mainz-Reply

> >According to statistics in Webster and Frankland _The Strategic Air
> >Offensive against Germany 1939-1945_, Volume IV, Mainz was 61% destroyed
> >by 1945, while Nuremberg was only 51% destroyed.  The city that was
> >hardest hit was Wuppertal/Elberfield, at 94%.  Considering that it is
> >located in the Ruhr Valley, where the greatest number of attacks
> >occurred, this number is not surprising.  Even so, this devastation was
> >the result of only one mission in June 1943.

>From Joseph Feld:

> I'm curious, does the reference you cite state a source for the data (i.e.
> Allied bombeer crews, post-war surveys, etc.)?  The 80% figure I stated
> earlier for Mainz was based on German figures (admittedly, some were
> written thirty or forty years after the fact), and I'm wondering about the
> discrepency.

The Webster and Frankland book is the official history of the air war
from the British side, published in 1961.  The results include U.S.
attacks.  For that particular table they cite the British Bombing Survey
Unit.  I have checked the United States Strategic Bombing Survey and
could find no comparable information.  Either they accepted the British
results or it appears in a section of the USSBS which is not published in
the books I have.  Where did you find the German figures?  They could be
useful for the paper I am working on right now, especially if they are so
different from Allied statistics.

Laurie Peloquin
Wilfrid Laurier University
[email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:56:24 -0400
From:    "H. Emery Ford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Spam

Drew,

Drew,

Could you possibly do a Spamscan?

er, could you possibly make that a gif or jpeg?

I, for one, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

Emery

On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Drew Halevy wrote:

> There is a famous Sadsack cartoon of Sadsack being served spam (with the
> sound of it being placed on the tray  as "SPAM!") and he gets a package
> from home, and inside is a shipment of Spam from Mom!-Drew
>
>
> Drew Philip Halevy    |
> Grad Student          |         Is it tomorrow,
> Department of History |         or just the end of time?
> University of Arkansas|         -J.H.
> [email-masked] |
>

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:19:29 -0400
From:    "Paul C. Perkins, M.D." <[email-masked]>
Subject: THUNDERBOLT

Dear Mr. Fetters,

   I've tried e-mailing you direct using [email-masked] and
[email-masked] and have been turfed into the binary ether twice.
Members of the WWII-LIST .... my apologies.
   Thanks for your response to my posting. I would very much appreciate any
names and addresses of P-47 pilots, mechanics, armorers, 1st,2nd,3rd, or 4th
ground echelon personnel. The mechanical and technical side of these machines
are well covered.      The opportunity to capture the human side is slipping
away.
     I look forward to hearing from you.
     Thanks again.

Paul C. Perkins, M.D.
[email-masked]
1518 State Route 343
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Paul C. Perkins, M.D.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:31:58 EDT
From:    John Davis <[email-masked]>
Subject: INF: 50 Years Ago - 06-APR-1945

On 06-APR-1945, the following occurred -

World War II - The Battlefronts
-------------------------------
Western Front - In the U.S. 1st Army sector, the XVIII Airborne Corps
begins an offensive against the Ruhr pocket. The VII Corps is approaching
the Weser. The V Corps reaches the Weser and establishes a bridgehead over
it. In the 9th Army sector, the XIII Corps attacks across the Weser.
Elements of the XIX Corps cross the Weser near Grohnde. In the French 1st
Army sector, the French II Corps reaches the Neckar near Lauffen.

Eastern Front - The Russians break through the Germans in several places in
the Danzig area. The 2nd White Russian Front opens a major offensive
against Konigsberg.

Philippines - In the XI Corps area, an offensive is launched on Mount
Mataba.

Okinawa - The 6th Marine Division makes very little progress towards the
north on the Isthmus of Ishikawa. Heavy fighting is taking place in the
southern sector. Aircraft from the 5th Fleet attack Kyushu Island to
prevent the planned Japanese attack by kamikazes on the U.S. naval force at
Okinawa. Some kamikazes do get through however and sink two destroyers and
damage the light carrier San Jacinto. The Japanese 2nd Fleet sails from
Honshu Island towards Okinawa.

=============================================================================

Sources: "United States Army in World War II, Chronology 1941-1945" compiled
by Mary H. Williams, Office of the Chief of Military History, Department of
the Army, "2194 Days of War" by Cesare Salmaggi and Alfredo Pallavisimi,
"Facts On File Yearbook 1945, Person's Index Of World Events" edited by R.L.
Lapica.

Copyright 1995 by John B Davis, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

Previous articles are archived at ftp.webcom.com in directory /pub/jbd/www
and can be accessed via the WWW by URL: http://www.webcom.com/~jbd/ww2.html.

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Cary, North Carolina                 |            http://www.webcom.com/~jbd/
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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:05:50 -0400
From:    Paul Silverstone <[email-masked]>
Subject: "US Warships of World War II"

My book, US Warships of World War II, was published in 1965 by Ian Allan
in London, and Doubleday in New York.  Since that time it has been in
print, most recently reprinted by the US Naval Institute in 1989 with an
errata page at the end.
Many of you will I hope recognize the value of this book but it is very
out of date.  Much new and additional information can be added.  I have
proposed to Naval Institute Press to published a new revised and expanded
book which would take up two volumes with much more information on
individual ships and new pictures.  But they have declined.
A bit of letter-writing from those interested might help move them.
United States Naval Institute
2062 Generals Highway
Annapolis MD 21401

Paul H. Silverstone

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:42:02 -0400
From:    "Neil C. Carmichael" <[email-masked]>
Subject: WEAP: Attack Transports -Reply

>>> Carl D. Fago <[email-masked]>  4/6/95, 10:49am >>>
>Well, as a list newbie and an ex-sailor I'll put my foot out...
>BB = Battleship  (why "BB" and not "B", I don't know)
>.DD = Destroyer   (same as above)
>DE = Destroyer, Escort
>CV = Carrier, Fixed Wing
>CVN = Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear  (ok, not WWII)
>LCT = Landing Craft, Tank
>LST = Long Slow Target (ok, really Landing Ship, Tank)
>LCM = Landing Craft, Mechanized

I have heard the LST also called Large Slow Target.....

Neil Carmichael

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:48:40 -0400
From:    "Neil C. Carmichael" <[email-masked]>
Subject: REF -Reply

Try "The Rommel Papers"  Edited by B.H.Liddell-Hart.  its a really
good book.

Neil Carmichael

>>> Christopher Dale Bailey <[email-masked]>
4/6/95, 12:01pm >>>
     This is my first posting on this list, so please bear with me.
I am a college student planning on majoring in history.  I have a
paper due on Rommel and would greatly appreciate anything anyone wold
like to contribute.  If you would advise any books or impart any
personal knowledge, it would be greatly appreciated.
                                             Chris Bailey
                                             La Grange College
                                             La Grange, GA
                              [email-masked]

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:45:37 -0400
From:    "Neil C. Carmichael" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Wehrmacht Atrocities -Reply

Your Right!!! That is the book I was speaking about.
Neil

>>> Barone <[email-masked]>  4/6/95, 11:35am >>>
Neil C. Carmichael <[email-masked]> writes:
> actually it was a book called Hitlers Tuetonic Knights, or
something
> like that.  It was the first 10 SS division.  but I will look into
> the book you mentioned.

        I'm not quite sure what this is in response to, but there is
a book entitled, "Hitler's Tuetonic Knights: SS Panzers in Action",
which covers all of the SS *Panzer* and *Panzergrenadier* divisions.
The author is Bruce Quarrie.
--
Joe Barone [email-masked]
When we go into battle, we like to play music.
Loud music.  We find that it calms us...

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Date:    Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:54:29 -0400
From:    Jodi Berls <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ahnenerbe

Apologies to all if this ends up being posted twice, but it appears to have
bounced back at me for some reason.

Ron Charlton wrote:

> please permit me to make a request again for sources of
information about the Ahnenerbe, the ideological and cultural research
organization within the SS.

There is a brief-but-somewhat-gruesome description of this organization in
*The Racial State: Germany 1933-1945* by Michael Burleigh and Wolfgang Wipperm

ann. The Ahnenerbe does appear to be a fascinating topic worthy of some study
though -- one of their charges was to try to scientifically validate the
theory that "'Aryans' had arrived fully-formed from 'heaven,' being preserved
in 'eternal ice' before stalking the earth with superhuman 'electrical
powers.'" The Nazis certainly had no dearth of inventive energy -- too bad
they didn't expend it on something constructive.

Jodi Berls
[email-masked]

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