Not being terribly up on the names of Welsh songs, I'm not sure whether we're talking about the same thing, but I recall many years ago a Welsh-speaking friend telling me one wonderful line from a (this?) song - it's the first line of a later verse, and it goes: Oer yw'r eira ar Eryri Try saying that after several large chwisgi! On a distantly related topic - I now have to cease repeating the boast that "I've never met a Welshman who knew more than one verse of Hen Wlad fy Nhadau", because I have met one. Best Colin Fine