>Seems practical to me Ah, but it isn't as easy as that! As Hywel Davies points out: >bod enwau Cymraeg ddim wastad yn fwy 'cywir' It seems to me that placing both versions on roadsigns is a compromise, lest an almighty row ensue from either the welsh or english camps. But I do admit it is confusing! Even I do not know all the names. For instance I didn't know that Y Gelli was Hay-on-Wye until I read the previous mail. If I have such problems, I pity the poor tourist :-) These days you won't find many painted slogans on roadsigns. Cymdeithas Yr Iaith (welsh language society) have since moved on to other campaigns of action. Incidentally, I used to be a member of CYI, in my impressionable days, though I got disillusioned with their support of Arthur Scargill's miner's strike and let my membership lapse. However, with the benefit of worldly wisdom I now see what they were getting at. In a capitalist society the only practical means of preserving a language is economic. If there is sufficient employment, the populace will remain static, thus preserveing communities. A case in point is two villages next to my home town: Carrog - no jobs, full of retired people who've moved in -> Anglicised Cynwyd - 2 miles away, 1 factory (Ifor Williams trailers) 350 jobs -> Very Welsh Huw.