> > Now I'm intrigued! Who exactly was this Tudwal Sant? "Tudwal Sant" just means Saint Tudwal. I don't think there's an English form of the name, nor a French one either by the look of it. He was a 6th-century Celtic saint who was apparently very big in Brittany; I know nothing about him except what I read in a book the other day, but today (1st Dec) (or yesterday) is "his" day. There are loads of placenames in Wales (and doubtless Cornwall and Britanny) commemorating such travelling Celtic saints; anywhere beginning "Llan..." (which is a LOT of places!) means "the church-hamlet founded by Saint ...". Eg Llanfair ="Marychurch" if you like; there must be a thousand Llanfairs in Wales. (OK, not literally) Incidentally anyone still labouring under the misapprehension that "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll..." is a genuine placename (supposedly the longest in Europe, or whatever) need only take into account the fact that you can't really have "the church of Mary ... of the church of Tysilio" (Llanfair[...]drobwll-llantysilio[...]). They made it up for the tourists in the 19th century, and have since been outdone by a 20-century invention. NOTICE: If you don't understand this bit, don't bother to query it as it really isn't that interesting, honest. Mae'n ddrwg gen i bobl am godi pwnc mor clisie+ a thwristiadol [?!]. Oeddwn i'n gywir wrth ddweud 'ANYWHERE beginning "Llan..."' tybed? Harri