> > Seiriol wyn a Cybi felyn As everyone knows, colours in Welsh do not "map onto" their supposed translation equivalents in English very well. To take the most well-known example, _glas_ is often translated as "blue" but is also the "green" colour of growing things. (Of course it's also the first element in Q-Celtic Glaschu/Glasgow, the second being presumably cognate with W. _cu_ "dear" as in tadcu, mamgu: the Dear Green Place.) Do we take it from the phrase quoted by Geraint Rhydychen that _melyn_ (often translated as "yellow") is also the colour of tanned skin? Are there any other interesting (ie, unpredictable from English) uses of colour nouns in Welsh? Meanwhile, more fun with mutations. The adjectives above presumably soft-mutate in their capacity as descriptive epithets, eg in Hywel Dda, or even Iesu Grist; there was a discussion ages ago about Gw+yl Ddewi, and cathedrals do the same: Tu Ddewi = St David's Cathedral. But is there a rule that proper nouns do not mutate after _a_ (*Seiriol wyn a Chybi felyn)? > Did I ever blather on about the fuss caused by Biwmaris/Beaumaris council > witholding funds from the Biwmaris Eisteddfod because they would not spell > it Beaumaris? If Beaumaris is "genuine" (Norman), why aren't there more such in Wales? Harry