( > ) > Seiriol wyn a Cybi felyn ( ) Do we take it from the phrase quoted by Geraint Rhydychen that _melyn_ ( (often translated as "yellow") is also the colour of tanned skin? Apparently. It is also the colour of jaundice, so don't go overboard. ( there any other interesting (ie, unpredictable from English) uses of ) colour nouns in Welsh? What is so special about the English appreciation of colour, then? ( Meanwhile, more fun with mutations. The adjectives above presumably... ) is there a rule that proper nouns do not mutate after _a_ (*Seiriol wyn ( a Chybi felyn)? I cannot decide whether that was just a typing error, or whether I was absently thinking "'Seiriol wyn' a 'Cybi felyn'" which I would not mutate. I would usually mutate historical personal names (except perhaps soft mutation of G-) and often even modern names (excepting in both cases of course the vocative soft mutation). It is occasionally irritating to be picked up for these things. ( the "green" colour of growing things. (Of course it's also the first ) element in Q-Celtic Glaschu/Glasgow, the second being presumably ( cognate with W. _cu_ "dear" as in tadcu, mamgu: the Dear Green Place.) Do you have any evidence for that? I have always thought, on little evidence that I can produce at the moment, that it was a Q-celtic corruption of a possibly P-celtic name formed from "clas" (monastic settlement, cognate with cloister I suspect) and some other element like Clud (anglice Clyde), y clas ar Glud or y Clas yng Nghlud or something in those directions, since the city grew out of the principal monastic settlement in Britain of Cyndeyrn (Kentigern, Conotigernus, and often Mungo) who was the ecclesiastical penbandit in Strathclyde in the late sixth century and sometime bishop of Sanlis across the water in France. By the way, it would be Ty+ Ddewi, and neither Tu Ddewi nor even Ty Ddewi; except, of course, that it is Tyddewi which was intended; and anyway if it were really Ty+ Ddewi, it would presumably usually be ty+ Dewi. I hope I have made myself clearer this time. Na, wir. g