> Perhaps I ought to have said "...is sometimes pronounced like the > "ee" in "keep". Examples would include words like "eisiau". Does > this only work with only or initial syllables?? I've never been quite sure how this works and can't remember the detail of what was said last time. I think the pronominals and "eisio" would count as special cases, but would leave the rest to wiser counsels than mine. BTW sorry about "ei CAR o"! (-> ei gar o/ei char hi) Wnaiff rywun fod mor garedig a+'n atgofio ni sut i no+l archivau'r rhestr? Diolch yn fawr. Anna Chenoweth: > u in north wales is pronounced like the u in the french tu no it's not, and nor is French "tu" pronounced like English "oo". The sound in question is half way between "ee" and "oo", but with unrounded lips, and approximates reasonably well to "i" in "hit", tho it's sometimes long. Harry