get fileindx (I belive that's it, please someone correct me if I'm wrong.) You'll get a big, long file in return that has all the files that are archived on the server. To get one, send a message to the listserv again and say: get (obviously w/o the <>'s *grin*) I belive the filenames and filetypes are: lesson01 tywl lesson02 tywl lesans02 tywl Now, I very well could be wrong (and in all possibilites, I am!), so get the index first. As these files will tell you, if you have WWW, use that insteady. The lessons are much better thru the Web than the regular text versions. Have fun and happy hunting. *smile* Mike Kaufman mkaufman@mcs.kent.edu PGP key available upon request