On Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:14:30 SAST-2 Nigel Love said: ... >after all, how pronunciations like "ym Mharis", "yng nghornell" came >about in the first place. Will it be noticed and frowned upon if you >say "ym breifat" for "yn breifat", or is that OK so long as you don't >go the whole hog and start saying "ym mreifat"? > >Nigel Love So THAT'S what I've been doing wrong! As an Irish speaker, the urge to go further, even to "ym Baris" (= our "i bPa/ras)--never mind Mharis", skip that, and go beyond!--is very strong. "Yn preifat" feels so wrong I could even live more happily with "ym mreifat". Please, other learners, ignore this message--it will not help you! mg MGUNN@IRLEARN.UCD.IE