To: Multiple recipients of list WELSH-L This rule, so far as I have been able to glean, affects only etymological monosyllables ending in cosonant clusters with final -r, -l, -n. The copied vowel then makes the word behave just like a historical two-syllable word; hence the first syll. of llyfyr has schwa and the second the clear-y sound, as though the word had been disyllabic llyfyr in the first place. Similarly, in the southern dialects (and this is basically a southern thing) that get long vowels in open stress penultimate syllables, these new monosyllables get lengthened penultimates e.e. [ke:ven] for cefn. (Schwa is never long; so the rule would not generally apply to llyfyr, though I don't know waht would happen in schwaless Pembrokeshire dialects. You might get two clear y's with the first longer.) --- JTK