(I'm posting this to the Celtling List, too, so please excuse double reception.) Thanks to all who answered my last posting on the Tregorrois version of the North Wind and the Sun story. For the time being let me tell you that this helped me a lot and excuse if I don't do this individually at the moment; I will come back to this later on. Here's now another Breton version of this story. This is in a Vannetais dialect, that of the Isle de Groix (probably extinct by now). This dialect has been described by Elmar Ternes in his "Grammaire structurale du Breton de l'Ile de Groix (dialecte occidental)", Heidelberg 1970.A version of the story in Ile-de-Groix Vannetais was published by Ternes in the Journal of the International Phonetic Association 5 (1975), 34-36, with a translation and a rough grammatical analysis. This dialect differs a lot from "standard Breton"/KLT both in phonetics and morphology. The following is an attempt (!) to transfer this text into standard orthography - as some kind of standard of comparison and to facilitate a comparison with the other text. I'm aware of the fact that this is a problematic thing. So don't be surprised if the following is what you would consider as terrible Breton. There were some passages which stubbornly resisted transcription. I've kept these in phonetic transcription (key to the symbols at end of text), just as some special Vannetais forms (vehe, vehe bet etc.): 1. An avel hag an heol e oa (1) bec'h etrez(h)e (2), piv a vehe bet ar c'hren+van+ [z@'naj] (3), pa en deus gwelet ur [vwaja'Zu:r] (4) ar an hent, sterdin+ (5) e [va+'to] (6) warnan+. (1) [@wa(j)] 'was/were': better _a oa_? (2) [EtrE'haj]: even in zedachek orthogr, I've only found _etreze_ (no _zh_). This form points to -zh-... (3) [z@'naj] ([zO'naj] in the Grammaire) means _of them_ < prep. _zo/zon-_ 'de'. Is this from _(d)eus anezhe_? (4) Transcribable as _voayajour_ ??? (usual word is _beajour_.) (5) sterdin+ = standard _stardan+_. Umlaut because of VN ending -in+_? (6) transcribable as _v/man+to_ ??? (usual word is _mantell_) 2. [ha(j)] (1) a zo kouezhet [da'kort] (2), an hini a vehe bet erru [nE'taN] (3) da zisterd [ma~'to] ar [vwaja'Zu:r], a vehe bet ar c'hren+van+. (1) [ha(j)] This is the pers.pron.3.Pl. 'they' and certainly something quite different from the standard. I'm suspecting that this has been abstracted from the 3-Pl-forms of the prepositions which usually end in -(h)aj; so etrehaj = etre+haj = prep+pron > pron = haj 'they'. But I would prefer an expert's opinion on this assumption. (2) transcribable as _dakord_??? (usual expression?) (3) [nE'taN] 'the first' besides [@rxetaN] 'ar c'hetan+' (= ar c'hentan+) in this dialect. Origin? 3. An avel en deus en em laket da c'hwezhin+ (1) kren+voc'h-kren+v, hag ar [vwaja'Zu:r] en deus en em laket da sterdin+ e [va+'to] kren+v war e dro. (1) = standard _c'hwezhan+_. 4. An avel en deus [koma+'sEt] (1) da [gal'mat] (2). Hag an heol en deus en em laket da dommet. (1) transcribable as _koman+set_??? (2) transcribable as _g/kalmat_??? 5. Ar [vwaja'Zu:r] en deus bet tomm, hag a zo ret dezhan+ bout lamet e [va+'to]. Hag an avel en deus gwelet penaos (1) an heol a oa kren+voc'h evitan+ (2). (1) [p@'noSt]: where does the final [t] come from? (2) [ytoN] = evitan+: correct? Phonetic symbols: [E] = open 'e' [O] = open 'o' [@] = Schwa [S] as in Fr. 'chat' [Sa] [Z] as in Fr. 'jour' [Zu:R] [N] as in E. 'sing'[siN] [+] nasality ['] accent I'm sorry that this has become a little bulky. I would be thankful for help on any point, and if there are comments, please don't hold them back. Again: if you know of other versions of this story in a Celtic language (esp. Irish)... But now: bye for today! I.M.