Tom Murphy asks about the motto 'Death before Dishonour'. This sounds like the not uncommon figure of speech "gwell angau na chywilydd" (better death than shame), but he says the motto definitely contained "marw" which sounds very weird to my ears. So: Gymry, (pe baech chi'n gwrando (sori Waldo)) ydy "marw" yn iawn am _death_, yn lle "angau"? - David Librik librik@cs.Berkeley.edu