To: Multiple recipients of list WELSH-L In-Reply-To: <9409132216.AA22435@husc.harvard.edu> In earlier Welsh, including into the Early Mod. period, you do get object pronouns between pan and inflected verbs, e.e. pan yth welais, pan ei gwelais (masc. or fem.). You might still find this in 19th-century emynau, but I've never seen it in a 20th-century source. On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, Mark H. Nodine wrote: > >Wouldn't a sentence like: > > > >..., pan ei gwelodd (ef). > > > >be correct with ei as direct object-pronoun showing up in the full > >form and no mutation (except if the verb would start with a vowel). > > I don't know if that's grammatical. I would probably include an > explicit subject: > > ..., pan welodd hi ef. > > In any event, I don't think you can use a prefix pronoun. Here's > an example from Williams (sec. 236): > > Mae'n amser hir er pan welais ef. > > I don't think this could have been 'pan ei welais ef'. > > --Mark >