>> > >> >Nawr 'te. Fe ddweudes i digon. >> >> (before is a perfect example of "lip-service Welsh) >> Gofall! >> >> >> >Mike Ratcliffe >> >> Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os >> gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! >> Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os >> gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! >> Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os >> gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! Cymraeg, os gwelwch yn dda! > >Ni/ fhaigheann la/mh iata ach dorn du/nta. > >Is this sort of nasty message really necessary? So I suppose if someone >uses English at all here, you'll be there with your flames? The policy is >understood, there is no need for this sort of message. A personal reply >to the author will be sufficient if you have the urge to flame. > >What a wonderful Christmas spirit, you seem to be in. > >Well, I will use English exceptionally to say that my flames have an >interesting effect: all the replies were in English apart from the odd >greeting in Welsh, namely the exact sort of thing that has killed celtic >and other minority languages. Also it proves that there is little >consideration for people like me trying very hard to learn Welsh (I have >learned Irish and Breton) but find little encouragement from the fact that >over 60% (when it is not close to 90%) of messages are in English. Also, >my flames were not phrased in any insulting manner or not directed at >anyone so I apologize if it was misunderstood; We minority speakers need an environment where our languages are not swamped by English or French or etc. Using English in a dominant mode (like any message with over 50% of English) only helps to reinforce the complex of inferiority that has afflicted these languages for centuries. Finally, it sends the wrong message to learners and speakers alike: that Welsh and Breton etc. are only good for a few things but not to be used about serious business such as giving out/complaining about flames. If you had replied and complained about my flames in Welsh I would have certainly spent all the necessary to try to read and understand your replies perfectly and so would have other users not happy about my "flames". It is so sad that I have to write this in English. And there will be no pretend at adding a couple of words in Welsh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Henry D. Leperlier 29 Ascal na Carraige, Dun Laoghaire, Co. Atha Cliath ....................................................... Ireland/Eire e-mail: hleperlier@internet-eireann.ie leperb93@irlearn.ucd.ie voice : +353-1-284 2080 -----------------------------------------------------------------------