Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 7.046 August 4, 1997 1) Shulamith Recording (Robert Freedman) 2) Drimplen (Bob Rothstein) 3) Electronic dictionaries (Hugh Denman) 4) Arbeter-ring (Hugh Denman) 5) Yitskhok Niborskis un Shimen Noybergs vorterbukh (Gilles Rozier) 6) help for Yidish teachers (Marcia Gruss Levinsohn) 7) etymologie---yidishe verter fun langue d'oc (Melvin Goldstein) 8) drimpln (Irving Korr) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 20:29:09 -0400 From: Robert Freedman Subject: Shulamith Recording In response to Maynard Wishner's question in [7.042]: A 10" 33rpm recording of Shulamith was issued by Tikva Records in 1954 under the # LP T-16. The artists are Fraydele Lipshitz and Raymond Smolover. There are eight songs interspersed with English narration. There is a recording issued in Rumania titled Highlights of Goldfaden Operettas with three songs from Shulamith. The performers are the Orchestra and Choir of the Bucharest State Jewish Theatre. Robert Freedman [Note from moderator: There is at least one other recording issued by Victor Talking Machine Co in 1910 under the title "Recitativ aus der Oper Shulamith" (#63610) performed by Fraulein Steif and H. Duetsch on one side of 10" 78 rpm disc. -i.v.] 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 21:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN Subject: Drimplen More on _drimplen_ (and on reference books). In addition to Harkavy and Weinreich, no home should be without a copy of Nahum Stutchkoff's _Der oytser fun der yidisher shprakh_. Stutchkoff doesn't list _drimplen_ or any of its variant forms in his index, but in section 283 ("Muzik"), the list of verbs beginning with _shpiln_ includes: labern [klezmer-loshn], verzen; fidlen, smiken, a fir ton mitn smik; grimplen, ripen, (sh)krimplen; rumplen, rimplen, drimplen, klimpern, brumblen, brumken, bremzen; blozn; poykn, payklen, drum(l)en, barabanyen, tarabanyen, drinzhen; fayfn; tsimblen; dreyen di katerinke. Bob Rothstein 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:35:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hugh Denman Subject: Electronic dictionaries With reference to Louis Fridhandler's valuable suggestion [7.045:7], I might mention that this topic was aired to some extent on the uyip list last December. I hope those who subscribe to both lists will forgive me if I share my thoughts with the wider khevre. I altogether agree with LF that it would be nice to have Harkavy on CD, but I think this is setting one's sights too low. After all, would so much effort be justified for the marginal value of having an electronic version as well as the hardback? What I think should be considered is an integrated compilation of Harkavy, Weinreich, Spivak-Yehoyesh and now I imagine the new Niborski which I have not yet been able to get hold of. [The Bibliotheque Medem seems to have closed down for summer holidays.] If this were successful, at a later stage material from the Groyser Verterbukh and Stutshkof could be added. One could envisage having both an on-line version and the periodic issue of updated CDs. Then one would need to have some procedure in place for ongoing addition and amendment, possibly linked to a lexicographic forum either within mendele or as an independent entity. Most importantly there would need to be a moderator (perhaps the same person as the editor of the initial compilation) to filter out the rubbish that would inevitably be contributed by nudnikes and that could quickly vitiate the quality of the whole project. Once the project was up and running, I imagine there would be many of us who have been annotating our dictionaries by hand for decades (often with illustrative quotations from representative authors) who could feed in supplementary material. The funding and copyright problems would be considerable, but not necessarily insurmountable. In this way we might see within our own lifetimes something equivalent to the realisation of the original Groyser Verterbukh project but with the additional facility of machine searchability. Hugh Denman 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hugh Denman Subject: Arbeter-ring Almost immediately after sending off my recent posting concerning the inefficiency of the Workmen's Circle [7.044:6] I had second thoughts about my possibly ungracious and querulous tone. At least that's how I felt until private communications from other Mendelyaner started popping up on my screen reporting similar experiences [Thank you, kind people!]. So paranoid am I, that until that moment I was still searching my conscience as to whether I might unwittingly have done something to offend them. Is this sorry state of affairs inevitable? One has to bear in mind that the Workmen's Circle is the official distributor of YIVO publications. I have been a paid-up member of YIVO for almost a quarter of a century. In the good old days members received publications direct, but since distribution has been "out-sourced" (no doubt, in the name of increased efficiency), it has become quite a struggle to be sure of not missing issues. I have still not been able to get my hands on copies of _YIVO-bleter_ (NS) 2 & 3. If loyal members like myself have so much difficulty something must be gravely wrong. If YIVO doesn't want to handle the distribution of its own publications, can't it appoint a distributor that actually executes the orders it receives? Just off the top of my head, what about the NYBC who are anyway rapidly becoming the THE international centre for the dissemination of Yiddish materials old and new? Hugh Denman 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:11:59 +0100 From: Bibliotheque Medem Subject: Yitskhok Niborskis un Shimen Noybergs vorterbukh Marion Aptroot hot shoyn geshribn zeyer a sheyn loybmeldung vegn Yitskhok Niborskis un Shimen Noybergs arbet. Mir, in der Medem-Bibliotek hobn gevolt vartn biz september kedey tsu meldn vegn dem frishn oytser tsulib tsvey sibes: 1. Di bibliotek iz farmakht in oygust 2. Fun september on vet men kenen bashteln dos bukh un es bakumen durkh post. ver vil a kopye fun bukh darf vartn biz undzer kumendiker meldung, onheyb september. A dank Gilles Rozier Medem-bibliotek - Pariz 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:05:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marcia Gruss Levinsohn Subject: help for Yidish teachers tsipe schildt bet az mir zoln araynshraybn idees mir zoln lernen beser un mer shtudentn Yidish. oygust 13-14, in arbeter-ring, NYC, vet zayn dem yorlikhn lerer seminar. klingon 800-922-2558, ekst. 226, dshol berkavits. (antshuldikt mir az ikh gedenk nit di nomenen fun ale) mevinim vos veln dort aroystretn; Pesakh Fiszman, Naomi Kadar un mer. oygust 17 - 21, Stanford Universitet, Palo Alto, Kalifornia vet di yorlikhe konference fun CAJE forkumen. mir veln iberkukn der oysshtelung fun Yidishe sekulare shuln vos Gella Fishman dort farzamlt mit helf fun Martha Krow-Lucal un andere. Martha vet redn un entfern frages. Michael Bass un Cindy Paley veln lernen Yidishe lider far kinder, un ikh, dray mayselekh mit lider, kraftn un aktivitetn. Sylvia Schildt asks that we write in ideas to be able to reach and keep more Yiddish students. August 13-14, Workmen's Circle, NYC, annual Teachers' Seminar. Telephone 800-922-2558, ext. 226, Joel Berkawitz. (Please excuse me for not remembering all of the names of) the experts who will be teaching the teachers; Pesakh Fiszman, Naomi Kadar and more. August 17-21, the annual CAJE (Coalition for the Advancement of Jewish Education) conference will be held at Stanford University, Palo Alto, California. We will get to see the memoribilia Collection of the Secular Yiddish Schools which Gella Fishman is gathering with the help of Martha Krowl-Lucas and others. Martha will tell us about the exhibit and answer our questions. Michael Bass and Cindy Paley will teach Yiddish songs for children, and I will present three children's stories illustrated with songs, crafts and activities. Write to me for more information, un zayt ale gezunt un shtark, Marcia Gruss Levinsohn 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:33:06 +0300 (EET DST) From: Melvin Goldstein Subject: etymologie---yidishe verter fun langue d'oc Di letzte beitrogen fun Shimke Levine [7.044] un Hershl Glezer [7.045] dermont mikh in tsvey biz itst nisht geentferte frages, velkhe shoyn tsi long hoben mir geklopt in kop. Ken mir imitser entfern oib s'iz do an etymologische farbindung tsvishn: 1. dos yidish "benchn" un dos romanish "benedict...", 2. dos yidish "davenen" un dos romanish "devant"? In einklang mit vos Glezer hot geshribn, banuts ikh zikh mit "romanish" anshtat "langue d'oc" oder "dorm frantsoyzish" oder "provensal" oder "savoy" oder "piedmontez" vayl di untershidn tsvishn di letste zenen mir ois veyniger intresant tsu zayn. (S'farshtet sikh az di shprakh fun land Rumenia iz oisgeshlossen fun vos Glezer un ikh rufn "romanish".) Vos iz mir yo intresant iz: vos far a shtarke yiddishe kehila hot gemuzt dortn amul voynen _ dort vi di hayntige medines fun Frankraykh, Italia, un der Shvaytz kumen zikh tsuzamen _ az zey hobn gekont araynshmuglen in undzer mame loshn azelkhe verter (vi "benchn" un "davenen") vos rirn un die neshume fun undzer folk? OIB zey huben dos in der emesn getun! Un oib nisht zey, ver? Mel Goldstein. 8)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:50:49 -0700 From: korr Subject: drimpln The word "drimpln" comes from a similar word KLIMPERN which means to strum or attempting to play a piano. Irving Korr ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 7.046