Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 08.010 June 7, 1998 1) Yiddish dictionary on the Web (Zachary Baker) 2) l'shonim in Europe (Sam Kweskin) 3) shafn a yidish pedagogishn tsenter (Leybl Botwinik) 4) shafn a yidishn universitet (Leybl Botwinik) 5) yidishn verterbukh farlag (Leybl Botwinik) 6) "a shanda a charpa" (Rick Turkel et al.) 7) tsibres (Pinya Melnick) 8) Patinkin (Sheldon (Zalman Itzik) Clare) 9) yiddish in concerts (alex weinberger) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Zachary Baker Subject: Yiddish dictionary on the Web I too am unaware of a project at YIVO -- desirable as it would be -- to mount a Yiddish dictionary on the World Wide Web. Regarding the Penn project, objections to the unauthorized use of the Weinreich dictionary (which is protected by copyright) resulted in its discontinuation. Zachary M. Baker YIVO Institute for Jewish Research 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:14:26 EDT From: ESSAIKAY@aol.com Subject: l'shonim in Europe Ikh zeekh material veygn di farshidineh l'shonim vos unzere yiddish folk hobn geret ven zey hobn gevoint in Europe, un eyder zey zenen arein in Deitschland oder deitsch-loshon teilen fun heintike Frankreikh. L'moshl, ver kenn mir dertseilen veygn Italkik, oder Frankish, oder Loez (Laaz) un Loter? Sam Kweskin 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:09:15 +0200 From: Leybl Botwinik Subject: rezolutsye #3 - shafn a yidish pedagogishn tsenter rezolutsye #3 - shafn a yidish pedagogishn tsenter ikh vil forleygn nokh etlekhe rezolutsyes vos ikh halt darfn vos frier arumgeredt vern un oysgefirt vern durkh dem veltrat, mit der fuler shtitse un kooperatsye fun di mitglider-organizatyses funem veltrat, un bikhlal fun yidish organizatsyes. ikh vel zey aroysshikn eyntsikvayz, kedey di mendelyaner zoln kenen reagirn oyf spetsifishe rezolutsyes. rezolutsye #3: shafn a tsentraln, modern-tekhnologishn pedagogishn tsenter farn yidish-limed. der tsenter vet zikh farnemen mit aynzamlen, shafn un farshpreytn pedagogishe materyaln vi: - kasetn (audeo un audeo-vizuale) - bikher - kompyuter-programen - dertsiyerish-farvaylerishe shpiln (kortn-shpiln, vort-shpiln, multimedia) - andere materialn farn lernen un derlernen yidish. di materyaln veln zayn far: - kinder, yugnt, dervaksene; - onheybers, forgeshritene, avansirte; - tsugepaste nit nor loyt di madreyges, nor oykh loyt di tsil-bafelkerungen (lemoshl, materyaln far daytsh-reydndike veln nit zayn tsugepast far hebreish-reydndike) vos meynt ir? leybl botvinik 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:10:06 +0200 From: Leybl Botwinik Subject: rezolutsye #4 - shafn a yidishn universitet rezolutsye #4: shafn a lern-anshtalt far hekhere yidish limudim dos darf zayn (vi) an universitet oyf yidish farn limed fun yidishe shprakh un kultur, un shaykhedike limudim: - shprakh/lingvistik - yidishn folklor - literatur - yidishe muzik - yidish kunst - yidishn teater - khsides un der toyre-velt - arbeter bavegung - erets yisroyl un tsionizm - un azoy vayter - vi oykh kompyuter kursn oyf yidish mit der tsayt, ken men tsugebn andere yidishe limudim vos veln gelernt vern oyf an akademishn oyfn, un oyf yidish: - hebreish, ladino un shprakhn bay yidn - yidishe geshikhte - andere ... shpeter ken men tsugebn andere algemeyne limudim vos veln gelernt vern oyf an akademishn oyfn, un oyf yidish: - velt geshikhte - visnshaftn - sotsyologye - andere mir torn nit fargesn, az glaykhtsaytik darfn geshafn vern vayt-lern kursn farn lernen ibern internets un iber satelitn un andere telekomunikir sistemen durkh video-konferents. vos meynt ir? leybl botvinik 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:11:04 +0200 From: Leybl Botwinik Subject: rezolutsye #5 - yidishn verterbukh farlag rezolutsye #5: es darf glaykh geshafn vern a gezelshaftlekhe komitet mit forshteyers fun der akademye velkhe zoln shafn dem bodn fun a verterbukh farlag. zey veln azikh farnemen mit: - farendikn aroysgebn di vayterdike bend funem groysn verterbukh fun der yidisher shprakh in bukh form vi oykh in elektronishn (kompyuter) form. - aroysgebn a periodishn buletin vegn der yidisher shprakh un vegn di arbet/forsharbet vos vert geton arum dem groysn verterbukh un andere verterbikher. - aroysgebn yidish-andere-shprakhedike verterbikher vos meynt ir? leybl botvinik 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:35:41 -0400 From: rturkel@cas.org (Rick Turkel, Ext. 2214, Room 3104A bs"d) Subject: "a shanda a charpa" Yeshua Litman asked in Mendele Vol 08.008: "Does anyone know what charpa means in the phrase 'a shande un a charpa'?" Not "charpa" but "kherpa," from the Hebrew "xerpa" (disgrace, shame). Also often seen as "a busha un a kherpa" (an embarrassment and a disgrace, a crying shame). Hope this helps. Rick Turkel Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:28:31 -0700 From: leon t rosenberg Concerning shande and 'charpe'. Kharpe==disgrace. I always understood it as an intensifier. A shande is a shame, and a shande coupled with a kharpe is one a seriously shameful, a real disgrace. I don't recall the use of kharpe independent of shande, but perhaps that is because we tended to be over emotional. leon t rosenberg Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:00:04 -0400 From: Michel ZLOTOWSKI You'll probably get hundreds of answers to Yeshua LITMAN's question. Nevertheless, here's mine: "a shande un a charpa" is the translation of the Hebrew "busha vekherpa", meaning "shame and disgrace" Mechl ZLOTOWSKI fyn Pariz Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:45:47 EDT From: Gevaryahu@aol.com Yeshua Litman asks in Mendele Vol 08.008 about the phrase "a shande un a charpa" 'Kherpah' [kehet, resh, peh, hey] is Hebrew for disgrace or shame. Usually the expression in Hebrew is 'Bushah ve'Kherpah'. See for example Gen 34:14; Psa. 89:12; Neh. 3:36. Gilad J. Gevaryahu Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:55:24 EDT From: Richfranto@aol.com Regarding Mr. Litman's request as to what thje word charpah means: both shanda and charpah mean the same . They both mean shasmeful, disgraceful. I suppose the expression using both together is for GREATER emphasis. In Hebrew there is the exact same expression: cherpah ubushah. Fran Townes Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:03:50 -0700 From: AJ Gilboa Cherpa (het resh pe he) is the Hebrew source meaning "shame". Yosef Gilboa 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:09:28 EDT From: Penchan@aol.com Subject: tsibres Re inquiry by Yael Chaver concerning the word "tsibres" I heard this word frequently when I was a small child. Both my mother and my father used it to denote a sharp pain.. For example if a shoe was too tight or a bunion or corn acted up. se iz vay getun vi tsibers. Both my parents came from an area near Kiev in the Ukraine and I always assumed it was a Yiddish word. My wife, Channe,who is a Yiddish teacher and a Litvak never heard it until I used it. I always assumed it was a derivative from"sabre", but this explanation is too farfetched or possibly too simple. Incidentally the town they came from was Rotmistrifka which I have never been able to locate on a map. Pinya Melnick 8)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:35:03 -0400 From: Sheldon Clare Subject: Patinkin Mazel tov to those who approve of Mandy Patinkin's new CD. It is a fargenign tzu hern. So what if his accent or trilled "r" is not perfect. Have any other Jewish singers ever tried to recapture the lost beautiful Yiddish melodies? May we hear more from Mandy. Sheldon I. Clare aka Zalman Itzik 9)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:56:11 EDT From: LEXAL@aol.com Subject: yiddish in concerts In responce to Sam Kweskin: there is some wonderful yiddish material for concert singers....i think all you have to do is ASK!! and remind others to do so also...the entertainment business, like most businesses. is very responsive to consumer demand....as soon as a receptive market is perceived, they will all rush in to fill it with beautiful yiddishe lieder....so voice your requests loudly and often, and urge others to do so as well. alex weinberger overland park, ks ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 08.010 Address for the postings to Mendele: mendele@lists.yale.edu Address for the list commands: listproc@lists.yale.edu Mendele on the Web: http://www2.trincoll.edu/~mendele http://sunsite.unc.edu/yiddish/mendele.html