Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 08.076 October 23, 1998 1) Camp Nitgedaiget (Itsik Goldenberg) 2) parevnik (Bogna Pawlisz) 3) kasa (Beni Warshawsky) 4) kasa (Eliyahu Juni) 5) kasa (Ruben Frankenstein) 6) kasa (Itsik Shteyn) 7) "early bird" (Feygl Infeld Glezer) 8) "early bird" (David Herskovic) 9) "early bird" (Beni Warshawsky) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert Goldenberg" Subject: Camp Nitgedaiget Further to the recent submissions to Mendele by Harold Orbach and Shaurain Farber, I have a copy of an English advertisement for this "proletarian" camp (it is thus described, together with Camps Kinderland and Camp Unity) in 1932. I also have a copy of an advertisement in Yiddish, from the periodical "Yidishe Kultur" in 1937.The name in Yiddish is spelled phonetically: nun, yud, tes, gimel, ayin, daled, tsvey yudn, gimel, ayin, tes. Elsewhere in the ad, tsvey yudn appear in words where they would certainly be pronounced "ay." I hope this helps answer the question of how the name is/was pronounced. If it confuses it, so much the better! Incidentally, in the ad, the rate to attend the camp "including Organization and Press Tax" was $16.50 per week. Itsik Goldenberg 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "bogna pawlisz" Subject: parevnik answer for Meyer Wolf. He asked about PAREVNIK. in polish "para" means steam, vapour. I met a lot of polish words in yiddish texts and very often wovel was changed. 1. For my ears from knowing polish and a litle bit of russian sounds like something what was cooked on vapour. Or something for cooking with/on vapour. 2. My mother sais that word sounds familiar for her from visiting someone in the country when she was a child (POLAND, 50-ies). We discussed the case and we think it may be a place in oven. 3. My stepfather and my big athority sais that PAROVNIK this is something (a pot I suppose) used for cooking potatoes for pigs. 4. I chacked PAROVNIK in polish dictionary. It sais that it's something (machine) used in production prosses of giving a color for tissue. I'm intrested of results of your research about PAREVNIK. grus fun Varshe Bogna Pawlisz 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:33:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "B&D Warshawsky" Subject: "kasa" Per Gilad J. Gevaryahu question about the term "kasa" , I would venture a guess that it is the word "kaseh " which means treasury; in other words, a place to store valuables. Beni Warshawsky 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: e.juni@utoronto.ca Subject: "kasa" Re: Gilad Gevaryahu's question about the meaning of "kasa" [08.074] Among many khsiidm, the term "kase d'rabayni (d'rabeynu)" is used to refer to a special fund set aside for the rebbe's discretionary use for charitable/righteous purposes. Literally, I believe it means 'pocket of our master', and that "kasa" in Aramaic = "kis" in Hebrew. ("kis" is often used to refer to a wallet, or even to money in general; I believe this is because in gemure/halukhe, the pockets generally referred to are not part of a person clothes, but more like money-belts or money-bags.) So I would hazard a guess that "kasa" in the context mentioned is being used (maybe ironically) to refer to a 'fund' of food that is being set aside for shabbes in a different kind of "food bank." (I am assuming that "kasa" is speeled kof-samekh-alef; if not, I'm probably way off base, unless the writer didn't know of the Aramaic origin/spelling and used a more conventional Yiddish spelling for a word he learned by ear.) Eliyahu Juni 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: frankens@uni-freiburg.de Subject: kasa To Gilad J. Gevaryahus query about "kasa", it seems to me obvious that this a variant of the yiddish "kase" meaning "cashbox, treasury". The etymology is: German "Kasse" or "Kassa", > Italian "Cassa" > Latin "capsa". Ruben Frankenstein 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: shteyn@juno.com (Isak Shteyn) Subject: kasa kasa is dos romenishe casa, vos mejnt a hous, vi ojkh a shtub. in Khust (Karpato-Rus), hobn gevojnt Romener, un fun sej nemt sikh dos vort. zajt gesund, Itsik Shteyn 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) From: yiddish1@juno.com (Feigl I Glaser) Subject: EARLY BIRD Vos heyst epes vi zogt men oyf Yiddish "early bird"? Frier freser! "Early birds" meynt az m' batsolt veynik, m'krigt a sakh fresarnie un men hakt oyf beyde bakn. A vits, oder a halbvits halb in a zayt. Ikh volt efsher gezogt: FRI-ESERS, FRI-FRESERS, FRIFEYGL, FRI-KUMERS, METSIE-ZUKHERS, FRIFEYGL-METSIES. Zay gezunt un zay matsliakh baym ongeyn mit Yidish klasn, Yidish klubn un in dayn perzenlekhn lebn. Feygl Infeld Glezer 8)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: David Herskovic Subject: early birds Here in the UK pubs have a similar arrangement which they call a happy hour. So how about calling it 'di gite sho'. Just imagine two grannies, sorry, ying vablekh, telling each other 'lomer gayn esn in di gite sho'. David Herskovic 9)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "B&D Warshawsky" Subject: Early Bird Special This is a late posting on "early bird special" question. I would suggest: a) a vorem khaper's metsie b) a vorem khapendike metsie. Beni Warshawsky ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 08.076 Address for the postings to Mendele: mendele@lists.yale.edu Address for the list commands: listproc@lists.yale.edu Mendele on the Web: http://www2.trincoll.edu/~mendele http://sunsite.unc.edu/yiddish/mendele.html