Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 3.169 December 17, 1993 1) Gedenk oyf a lid un gefin dos vort (Alice Honig) 2) Aunts and Uncles (Moshe Waldoks) 3) Daytchmerizmen (Moshe Waldoks) 4) Daytchmerizmen (Khaim Bochner) 5) Word order (Jason Berman) 6) Yiddish bibliography (Ellen Prince) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed Dec 15 10:42:24 1993 From: Alice Honig Subject: Gedenk oyf a lid un gefin dos vort Ich hob geseyn a brief tsu Mendele vegen "geveyzn". In der folkslied, siz geshriben " geveysen "...ot azoy: Bei meine rebbe iz geveysen, iz geveyzen bei mein rebbe, Bei meyn rebbe iz geveyzen - a geneyve! Of course what was stolen were shirts in tatters, and calndlesticks without sockets, etc.etc. ... nevertheless, when I want to feel whether a Yiddish word is OK , I go right to one of the wonderful pearls of Yiddish folksongs....und shnell ken ich visn as es iz take OK tsu zugn a vort oder an ondere vort. Az men singt auf Yiddish ken der shprach leben.. If we get to the point only of dissecting grammar rules...s'vet toit. Zing!....die kinder vet dir giben a groisen shaynem dank ven zay vet eltern vaksen. From a Mendele fan whose Yiddish is lousy but whose enthusiasm is shtark, Alice S. Honig Syracuse University 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed Dec 15 12:12:49 1993 From: WALDOKS@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subj: Aunts and Uncles Mayn mame a Poylishe fun Sosnowiec gegent hot alemol geredt vegn "tantes" un "meemes" un nor vegn "feter". A tante un a feter kenen zayn fun an eltere dor- ober a bubbeh's a mamen is alemol gerufen an "elter bubbeh". Moshe Waldoks 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed Dec 15 12:23:29 1993 From: WALDOKS@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU SubJ: Daytshmerizmen Efsher is do an ideologishen zayt tsu nutzen daytshmerizmen in Yidish. A merheit fun Amerikanishe yidn vos zenen oyfgebracht uf Yidish zenen kimat in ganzn umbekant mit ivre (hebraish) dos heyst az a vort vi "akhrayesdik"mit ir hebraishe reka (nokh a hebraizm) iz in ganzn fremd. Fil yidn mit sekulare hashkofos hobn nisht geshtizt hebraish oder zionizm- tsu dervayteren zich fun hebraish nutzt men daytshmerizm. {antshuldig mir oyf mayn tsebrokhene yidish) mit kovid. Moshe Waldoks 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed Dec 15 15:12:06 1993 To: mendele@yalevm.cis.yale.edu Subject: Re: daytshmerizmen Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky shraybt: > Az men shraybt do af yidish, fil ikh az ikh darf zikh bamiyen mit > transliteratsye un entfern af yidish. Ikh bin zeyer tsufridn, vayl s'iz dokh a mekhaye tsu leyenen ayer yidish. Ikh hob nor eyn tayne. > Ershtns, iz "frage" zeyer an alt Yiddish vort Efsher iz es take elter fun "lezn". Ober es zet mir oys az es ken nisht zayn zeyer, zeyer alt. Farvos? Vayl ven es volt geven zeyer alt, volt men zikh gerikht oyf "frag", oder "frog", oder epes azoyns, un nisht "frage". Heyst es az dos vort hot gedarft araynkumen in yidish nokh dem vi me hot aropgelozt "e" baym sof-vort. Neyn? Khaim 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed Dec 15 12:36:15 1993 From: BERMAN Subject: Word Order Discussion In my last letter (WEEKS ago) I promised no more submissions on word order. Still the letters have continued and most seemed to feel it necessary to make some sort of reference to "the Bermans". These references were usually unflattering and almost always inacurate or blatantly false. Those of you who feel that the need to continue this discussion, be for the purpose of proving your loquacity or mastery of large words or for the purpose of presenting a Linguistic doctoral thesis in electronic format, may continue to do so. However, the Bermans have left the building! Please leave our names and your misinterpretations of what we tried to tell you out of your diatribes. Thank you. Jason Berman 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu Dec 16 14:26:38 1993 From: "Ellen F. Prince" Subject: Yiddish bibliography one constructive thought that occurred to me in the light of the recent word order brouhaha here is that we might collectively compile a bibliography on yiddish linguistics. (or on yiddish anything else, but that's not my bag.) i'd be happy to put it all together, if everyone sends me references they know of, both their own and others'. any takers? Ellen Prince ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 3.169 Mendele has 2 rules: 1. Provide a Subject: line. 2. Sign your article. Send submissions/responses to: mendele@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Other business: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu Anonymous ftp archives available on: ftp.mendele.trincoll.edu in the directory pub/mendele/files