Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 4.060 July 18, 1994 1) Knibbers/heri zayn ondenk (Shleyme Axelrod) 2) Heri zayn ondenk (Khayem Bochner) 3) Heri zayn ondenk (Evelyn Feins) 4) Szlachcic/heri zayn ondenk (Meysh Alpert) 5) Szlachcic (Moyshe-Zekharye Beker) 6) Szlachcic (Margaret Mikulska) 7) Szlachcic (Pavel Miladinovic-Cernoch) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: PTYAXEL@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: knibbers/heri zayn ondenk Yude Rozof, ellen prince: no "knibbers" in my neighborhood in Brooklyn (East New York, 1930s-40s), either. Zachary Baker: "heri zayn ondenk" must surely be a corruption of the datshmerish "ere zayn ondenk" = "honor his memory", ayo? Shleyme Axelrod 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 10:01:45 -0400 From: bochner@das.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Heri zayn ondenk Zachary Baker writes: > One speaker, concluded his eulogy with the words, "Heri zayn ondenk." > Like the Puzzle-Master on NPR, I'd be curious to see how many MENDELnikes > come up with the right translation of those words... On a kontekst volt ikh take nisht farshtanen "Heri". Efsher mayn englisher nomen ("Harry") ;-) Nor in kontekst iz dokh klor: dos muz avade zayn an aroysred fun "ere", dos daytshmerishe vort far "koved" ("Ehre" loyt mayn daytshishn verterbukh). Khayem Bochner 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 01:40:00 UTC From: e.feins@genie.geis.com Subject: Heri zayn ondenk In answer to Mendele Vol. 4.058, regarding ZACHARY BAKER'S subject above, it might be... her iz z'ayn un d'gdenk, which would translate to, he is the one on my mind = he will remain in my thoughts. Am I close on this? And I enjoyed your comparison of my parents dialect, to this item. Apropos of my parents dialect, my Father used to enjoy telling me Yiddish jokes, and this was one of his favorites. (using his dialect, as I remember it) Ain afderfree, az Getzel, a "grubber ing" shtatyt in guss, gibt ayer a "keek" und zayt a lantzman, der Doctur fin d'shtetl in drayhm. Lust ayer ohys a gashrai,"oy Docktur, eichbin azoy tzfreeden deer tzuzayn! Nu, v'zoy zunt eir, and vus teitzuch in shtetl? Und zug meir nor, vus teitzuch mitt mein frant, Baruch?" Der Doctur, un adelah mahn, ut nicht g'volt d'tzailin boldt, mita prusta vayhg, az Baruch ut g'shtorbin, zuckt air, "Baruch?, Baruch iz nifter." "Nifter, zucht Getzel, nifter, pifter, alaiben machter ?" In answer to Zellig Bach, re: allemen, instead of allah. You are correct, and I found your comment very amusing. But it is difficult when one has picked up the language only through listening to it as a child. I do appreciate your comment, and hope my story above, does not have too many boners in it. Evelyn Feins 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 03:58:44 EDT From: Meyshke@aol.com Subject: Sliakhtshitz, Heri To Andy Cassel: Sliakhtshitz > Polish "Szlachcic" (generally pronounced "SHLAKH-tshits"), a (Polish) nobleman, member of the "szlachta" (Polish aristocracy, landed gentry), landowner. Polish aristocratic landowners held property, often lots of it, throughout much of Jewish Eastern Europe, especially Poland, Ukraine, Belorussia and Lithuania (the former territory of Poland at its height in the 16th-18th centuries). In some areas, these holdings were retained until the end of the Second World War. As you might imagine, the New World Order is allowing for some revival of this quaint institution in contemporary Poland... TO Zack Baker: While honoring Novick's memory, as his eulogist suggests, I'll mention that one of my folksong informants from Belorussia used to "hempty di harbage" from her kitchen when it became full. Meysh Alpert 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 94 17:12:30 PDT From: BM.YIB@RLG.Stanford.EDU Subject: Szlachcic Andrew Cassel (MENDELE 4.059), bet az a rusish kener zol derklern mit vos men est dos vort "sliakhtshitz" (sic), vos er hot gefunen in zayn zeydns zikhroynes. Faktish, darf men oyszukhn nit keyn rusish-kener nayert a POYLISH-kener. Szlachcic (aroysgeredt: shlakhtshits) iz taytsh "nobleman," loytn verterbukh fun der Kosciuszko Foundation -- oder af yidish (loyt Vaynraykhn), "adlman." (Andere rufn dos on "porets.") Moyshe-Zekharye Beker (a.k.a. Baker) 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 94 21:57:57 EDT From: mikulska@faust.Princeton.EDU Subject: Sliakhtshitz Andrew Cassel asks: > Ken emetsn vos meynt "sliakhtshitz"? Hobn mir a rusishe maven? "Szlachcic" is a Polish word for a nobleman. -Margaret Mikulska 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:03:52 MET From: SZ0435@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de Subject: Shliakhtshitz Andrew Cassel writes in Mendele 4.059: "...Savitzki is gewen a shliakhtshitz, un hot getrogen a gantze gute dertzihung als kind. ..." "Shliakhtshitz" sounds to me like Czech "slechtic" (Shlechtyits) or the similar word in Polish, which both mean "nobleman" or "member of the aristocracy". As Savitzki seems to have enjoyed a good education in his childhood, this origin of the word seems to be most likely. 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