Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 4.063 July 19, 1994 1) Heri (Dovid Braun) 2) Heri zayn ondenk, explained (Zachary Baker) 3) "Tape recorder" and "to record" (Kalmen Weiser) 4) "To record" (Leybl Botvinik) 5) Secular Yiddish Schools (Patty Becker) 6) Oyber un unter (Meyshe Alpert) 7) Havdole plus Yiddish (Arn Abramson) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 15:48:06 EDT From: dovid@MIT.EDU Subject: heri Zachary, I wasn't at Novick's funeral, but I heard a report from someone who had attended the funeral minutes after it took place. This person's version made the story even better (i.e., maybe it happened like you say, maybe it happened like he said, but this version is the funnier one): the speaker (whose name I know for sure is Moyshe Goldshteyn and who is from the Lomzhe area) was reported to me to have ended his eulogy: "heri peysakh novik!" at which point the dialectally disoriented were momentarily befuddled -- staytsh, Novick's first name was Harry?! I'll let _you_ divulge the secret of its meaning, Zachary, whenever you wish to. zoln zikh di mendele-leyeners a bisl brekhn dem kop. Dovid Braun 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 10:04:24 PDT From: BM.YIB@RLG.Stanford.EDU Subject: Heri zayn ondenk, explained And the winners are... Shleyme Axelrod and Khayem Bochner! "Heri zayn ondenk" is indeed a southeastern Yiddish pronunciation of "ere zayn ondenk." If I had subscriptions to "Puzzles Magazine," I'd send you a free one. We should do this more often. I guess that one point I wanted to illustrate is that even the most obvious of daytshmerizmen take on the guise of the folkshprakh. A consolation prize, of course, to the imaginative Evelyn Feins. Zachary Baker 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: kiw2@columbia.edu Subject: "tape recorder" and "to record" Ikh hob mit a vokh tsirik gefregt vegn vi me zogt "tape recorder" un "to record" in farshidene lender ober aponem - es dakht zikh mir chotch azoy - iz mayn bakoshe farloyren gegangen. Freg ikh nokh a mol. Ikh ken di verter "magnetophone", "rekordirke", un "rekord-mashinke" un dos verb "rekordiren." Kennt ir andere terminen? A sheynem dank in faroys, Kalmen Weiser 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 09:13:56 IDT From: leybl@telecomm.tadiran.co.il Subject: "to record" entfer tzu kalmen weiser(mendele 4.049) bay undz in montreal zogt men a "rekordirke" , "rekordir-aparat", "magnetofen", un "kaset(n)-shpiler/rekordirer(rekordirke)". dos vort "mashin" klingt tzu groys, un ken hobn dem batayt oytomobil. aparat dakegn ekzistirt in "foto-aparat" (oder "fotografishn-aparat"). mit yorn tzurik, zukhndik a pasikn vort far komputer, hob ikh oysgetrakht: "(mikro)seykhl-aparat" vos ikh farkirtz oft mit di roshey teyves oyf "(mikro)s'ap". a komputer visnshaftler iz a "visns'apler" un arbet bay "visns'ap", un azoy vayter. dos etzem "rekordirn" iz gut, un men ken oykh "oyfnemen" oyfn aparat: . in dem fal volt ikh nit genutzt di verter "rekordirke oder "kaset(n)- shpiler/rekordirer(rekordirke)" vayl zey klingen nit vi keyn 'profesionele' aparatn. vi zogt men, dakegn, 'ghetto-blaster' - a 'himl-shrayer'??? leybl botvinik 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 20:57:36 EDT From: Patty_Becker@MTS.cc.Wayne.edu Subject: Secular Yiddish Schools Regarding Zev Hochberg's entry about GElla Schweid Fishman's project on Yiddish Secular Schools: I am a product of Workmen's Circle Schools and I know many others who attended here in Detroit. I don't know how much memorabilia I have--a couple of the textbooks and some photos of our class, I think, plus a lot of memories, and my sister might have kept her old report cards and such. Just what is this oral history project looking for? Does Ms. Fishman want to do interviews with alumni such as myself? I have strong feelings about my shule education. I am of the generation that grew up American in English speaking homes, and felt that I lost out on learning the Jewish history and culture that I needed because it was taught in Yiddish. At the same time, the socialization of the shule was extremely important and, together with the fact that all my family was involved in Workmen's Circle, provided me with the strong Jewish identity that is with me still. Of four marriages among me and my 2 siblings, all have been to Jews and we are all involved in the humanistic/secular movement; our kids know what it is to be Jewish and to keep the movement alive. (We are 54, 52 and 48 right now, the kids range from 26 to 18, none are married or even close as yet.) When I was in college I told people that Workmen's Circle had been my "church." It certainly served as that external force giving me values, heritage, and the strong message that our mission was to work for a bessere und a shenere velt. I would be happy to share more of this if Ms. Fishman or anyone else is interested. Patty Becker 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:48:44 EDT From: Meyshke@aol.com Subject: Oyber un unter Far Rick Gildemeister, a gezunt em in di beyner arayn! A shtikl esoterika: Reb Rik, zayt azey gut, git nokh epes tsu visn b'shayekh Oyberland un Unterland. Vifl ikh farshtey, heyst "Oyberland" di bergishe kantn (Matra, Bukk, Zemplen u.a.v) lebn Tokay un andere shtet in tsofn Ungarn. "Unterland" hob ikh shtendik farshtanen far di kantn lebn Tays (Tisza). Oder bin ikh betoyes? Redt ir beiker fun di same Karpatn, fun der untersheyd tsvishn, lomir zogn, Svalyava un Munkatsh? Geven bin ikh in di Karpatn mit a yor dray-fir tsurik, un gehert a hartsikn idish afile bay di kinder di idishe fun dort. Meyshe Alpert 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:27:22 EDT From: ABRAMSON@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Subject: Havdole plus Yiddish A friend here in the hills of eastern Connecticut, Ada Nesselroth, told me that her grandmother used to recite something in Yiddish after the Havdole ritual at the end of Shabes. She would like to recover the Yiddish text. Her grandmother was from Lithuania. Can anyone help? We would be interested in any versions that you send. Arn Abramson ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 4.063 A Table of Contents is now available via anonymous ftp, along with weekly updates. 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