Mendele: Yiddish literature and language ______________________________________________________ Contents of Vol. 6.118 December 4, 1996 1) Rokhl Boymvol (Zachary M. Baker) 2) Rokhl Boymvol (Gershon Winer) 3) Beregovski archive (Zachary M. Baker) 4) Saying "please" in Yiddish (Joachim Neugroschel) 5) Inyonay khanike (Gilad J. Gevaryahu) 6) Inyonay khanike (Rick Turkel) 7) Inyonay khanike (Mechl Asheri) 1)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:05:20 -0500 (EST) From: yivo1@metgate.metro.org Subject: Rokhl Boymvol The bibliographical information that Hugh Denman requested is: Rokhl Boymvol. Antkegn dem vos ir zogt: idiomatishe oysdrukn. Jerusalem: Farlag Ha-arets, 1991. 71 p. As of 1991 the publisher's address was: Sha'arei Torah 4, Jerusalem 96387, Israel. The book might also be available through Israeli or U.S. bookdealers. Zachary M. Baker 2)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:56:38 +0200 From: winer@euronet.co.il Subject: Rochl Boymvol It's a charming little book ("Antkegen Dem Vos Eer Zogt") of nearly seventy pages in small format, arranged in short essay form. There are some inaccuracies in Hebraic terms. It can be acquired directly from the author. I suggest you send $10 dollars which should cover mailing costs as well. The address is: 29 Costa Rica Street, Jerusalem Israel I recommend highly her poetry collections as well. Her husband Zyama Telesin who recently passed away was a poet in his own right. His books are available at J.L.Peretz Farlag, I4 Brenner St, Tel Aviv. Gershon Winer Jerusalem 3)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:28:42 -0500 (EST) From: yivo1@metgate.metro.org Subject: Beregovski archive According to information released by Norman Ross, the sheet music that is available through his publishing firm was collected during the 1920s and 1930s by the ill-fated Institute for Jewish Proletarian Culture, in Kiev, and in 1936 was transferred to its similarly unfortunate successor, the Office of Jewish Culture. After the Office of Jewish Culture was closed by Soviet authorities its collections eventually devolved to the library of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian S.S.R. -- now known as the V. I. Vernadsky Central Scientific Library -- in Kiev. Circa 1991 the Vernadsky Library established a Jewish section, which now includes books, newspapers and the Jewish music collections -- published, manuscript, recorded -- that are the legacy of the former Institute and Office, as well as materials acquired at a later date. The An-ski and Beregovski collections are also housed in the Jewish section of the Vernadsky Library. The An-ski materials presumably were part of the Institute for Jewish Proletarian Culture's collections; the Beregovski collection would have been a later acquisition. It is conceivable that some of the sheet music released by Norman Ross belonged to the Beregovski collection. Zachary M. Baker 4)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:56:01 -0500 (EST) From: achim1@cris.com Subject: Saying "please" in Yiddish Regarding the concept of "please" in Yiddish: it's wrong to say that "zay azoy gut" can't be used with notions like "give me," "I want," etc.: zayt azoy gut, ikh darf mit aykh redn zayt azoy gut, git mir dokh a glezl vaser. zayt azoy gut, ikh vil arumredn a viktikn inyen..... etc. "zayt azoy gut" is merely a formulaic idiom, and in these and many other instances it can be readily replaced by : "tut mir a toyve" or "ikh bet aykh." All these idioms can easily be found in ordinary yiddish conversation as well as throughout yiddish literature. but, of course, if someone finds such formulas too difficult, then they should please use please--zayt azoy gut und zogt "pliz".... and how about "tank-salat" instead of "a dank"? in fact, why bother using yiddish at all? Joachim Neugroschel 5)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:01:17 -0500 From: gevaryahu@aol.com Subject: Inyonay khanike David Herskovic in Vol 6-117 asks for the origin of the name "hanukkiyah" for the menorah of hanukkah. This is relatively a new word (20th century) and I read about it in, I believe, "Leshonenu La'Am". It was coined by Devorah Ben-Yehudah, the wife of Eliezer Ben-Yehudah, who used it to describe the menorah. Eliezer did not like it and accordingly did not include it in his Hebrew dictionary. The haredim in Jerusalem did not like it because it came from the circles of Ben-Yehudah, who was under herem of the haredim of Jerusalem. Accordingly most haredim, even today, use the term "menorah", but are unaware of the history behind their use. The Jewish people liked the term and use hanukkiyah extensivley. Gilad J. Gevaryahu 6)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:49:03 -0500 From: rturkel@cas.org Subject: Inyonay khanike The Hebrew word was coined to distinguish the 9-candle chanukah menorah from the 7-candle menorah of the Temple. A minor point: "menorah" means "lamp, candelabrum" and not "lantern," which is "panas" in Hebrew; the latter is also used for "flashlight." Zayt gezunt un shtark. Rick Turkel 7)---------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 19:30:02 +0200 From: donnom@netvision.net.il Subject: Inyonay khanike The difference between likht and lekht is one of dialect the word is invariable in singular and plural. Olsvanger has a story on this but I can't find it at the moment. Mechl Asheri ______________________________________________________ End of Mendele Vol. 6.118