1995.03.06 / Dieter Britz /  Biblio update 6-Mar-95
     
Originally-From: britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk (Dieter Britz)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Biblio update 6-Mar-95
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:30:43 GMT
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway

Starry droogs,

here is a new lot. This time, I have refreshed the archives with both
the pap files (like it, Gene? it's as interesting as blabbl, no?), the
briefs one and the newies file.

I must say that, reading these ICCF-4 "papers", I often regret having decided
to accept them as papers. We all know that the refereeing was weak (else why
would the referee not insist on the removal of such stuff as "We are running
out of time"?) and with at least a couple of those below, I know that the work
is published elsewhere anyway. But then, this applies to the first item by
Arata, a double of the paper already published in English. A practicing
scientist has seen many examples of workers publishing the same stuff in
various languages (I have an example of one paper put out in Hungarian,
English, Russian and again in English, all identical). While we know this
happens, we do not respect the authors who do it, at least not for doing it.
See also Belzner et al (both of them)... Ah well. These ICCF-4 papers will not
spoil my publication statistics, because none of them has a submission date
and that's the most interesting for me; in addition, I am not putting even the
publication date on any of these.

A small aside: we have several new words added to our language. Storms
(abstracted a week or so ago) used "reproductivity", and below we have, in
Okamoto et al the new verb "to reprecate" which I rendered as "reprecation".

#     
Arata Y, Zhang Y-C;
Koon Gakkaishi 20(4) (1994) 148 (in Japanese, Engl. abstr.).
"A new energy generated in DS-cathode with 'Pd-black'".
** Experimental, Pd black, excess heat, res+
This is, as far as can be seen and going by the abstract, much the same paper
as that of the same authors in Proc. Japan. Acad. 70 Ser. B (1994) 106. It
reports on "spill-over deuterium" in a long-term closed-cell electrolysis
using a bottle-shaped Pd cathode with Pd powder inside the bottle. Excess
energy at ca. 200 MJ was released over a period of 3000 h and there were clear
signs of the excess power decreasing after the cell current was turned off,
and recovery upon switching on again.
#...................................................................... Feb-95
Kim YE;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 519.
"Possible evidence of cold D(D,p)T fusion from Dee's 1934 experiment".
** Historical, theory, ion beam.
In 1934, Dee studied the action of a 160 keV deuteron beam on a solid
deuterated ammonium sulphate target, and found some expansion chamber tracks
pairing off from collision points and at almost 180 deg to each other.
Fleischmann has suggested that this is early historical evidence of low-energy
fusion (by slowed-down deuterons hitting the target). Frank Close has stated
that the angle is probably not quite 180 deg, and that some keV remained in
the d. Kim here tries to estimate the bounds on this energy, making some
guesses at Dee's errors in the measured angles. His results support
Fleischmann's contention that these tracks show early 'cold fusion'. Kim
suggest that Dee's experiment should be repeated using modern equipment.
#...................................................................... Feb-95
Li XZ, Huang GS, Mo DW, Liaw BY;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 384.
"The analysis of the neutron emission from the glow discharge in deuterium gas
tube and the gas loading in palladium".
** Polemic, comment, theory, glow discharge, high loading
** electrochemical compression, no FPH/Jones ref.
The authors here state that in a previous paper from Long, reporting neutron
emission from a gas discharge in deuterium, the emission was an artifact in
the ZnS detector. However, beam loading might still be of interest and the
team reports D/Pd loadings up to 0.89 from beams. Even though enormous
pressures seem to be required by thermodynaimcs for loadings > 0.80, they can
be achieved by electrochemical compression and beams. This fact might have an
impact on the design of 'cold fusion' reaction cells in future.
#...................................................................... Feb-95
Li XZ;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 480.
"The 3-dimensional resonance tunneling in chemically assisted nuclear fission
and fusion reactions".
** Theory, resonance tunneling, Coulomb barrier, no (orig.) FPH/Jones ref res+
Using a 3-D resonance model and the WKB approximation, Li estimates fusion
rates in a solid. Great enhancements are found, but still short of those
required for excess heat claims by a factor of 10^9; furthermore, no nuclear
ash means that the heat is of non-nuclear origin. If chemical action is able
to help accumulate electrons locally, then fusion might be on. More
experiments are needed to answer the problem questions.
#...................................................................... Feb-95
Liaw BY, Ding Y;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 63.
"Charging hydrogen into hydride-containing molten salts".
** Molten salt, Ni, hydrogen, excess heat, res+
Liaw et al have previously used a molten salt system to produce excess heat
(and even He) at Pd anodes in a LiCl-KCl salt melt (400 C) containing LiD; now
they try a Ni anode and LiH. Several things go wrong, stainless steel holders
corrode, the LiH gets used up so that the electrochemistry changes to that for
the melt itself.  The input power just to keep the melt molten is 26 W; they
detect some instances of about 0.5 W excess heat and regard this as
significant.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Long H-Q, Yin W, Zhang X-W, Wu J, Zhang W-S, Tang H-Q, Li Z, Shen G-R,
Zhou Z-Y, Qi B-J, Liu Y-H Wang X-Z, Yang Y;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 170.
"New experimental results of anomalous nuclear effect in deuterium/metal
systems".
** Experimental, neutrons, x-rays, gas phase, glow discharge, Nb, Ta, Pd, Ni
** WTh, res+
A number of metals (Pd, Ta, Nb, Ni and the alloy WThx) were placed in a glass
bulb with D2 gas and a glow discharge (2.7-18 kV, 50 Hz) applied. Neutrons and
x-rays were measured, the neutrons by a single scintillation detector and
x-rays with Ge(Li) detector. Neutrons were indeed found and deemed to be more
than that expected from self targeting from the discharge by factors up to
100. Some anomalous x-rays were found, and considered secondaries.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Miles MH, Bush BF;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 156.
"Heat and helium measurements in deuterated palladium".
** Experimental, helium, excess heat, correlation, res+, no FPJ/Jones ref
This paper is very similar to the authors' 1994 paper in FT 25. It reports a
series of attempts to detect helium in the effluent gas from a Pd/LiOD
electrolysis cell, this time using stainless steel flasks instead of (as
earlier) glass, which is permeable to He. Still, some ambient He leaked into
the system, possibly through rubber tubing. A number of runs showed no excess
heat and these are called controls; they all show very similar levels of He,
averaging to (5.1 +- 0.7).10^13 4He per 500 ml flask. In runs with excess
heat, up to twice this much was found. The important result here, however, is
the control level, which allows the authors to give more credence to earlier
results in which also more He was found, correlated with excess heat. They
state that the amounts are commensurate with the heat, but say nothing about
possible He remaining in the Pd.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Miley GH, Batyrbekov EG, Hora H, Zich RL;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 313.
"Electrolytic cell with multilayer thin-film electrodes".
** Theory, experiment, surface reaction, excess heat, layer electrodes,
** Pd, Ti, res0, no FPH/Jones ref
The authors have their own theory, of the "swimming electron layer" at metal/
metal interfaces, if the two metals have different Fermi levels. They argue
that it is at such electron-flooded interfacial layers that CNF will take
place. So they made a multilayer cathode of alternating Pd and Ti layers,
capped at both ends (why?) with Cr. This was put into an electrolysis cell,
together with another using a stainless steel or Cu plate cathode as control,
and the same current was put through both. Excess heat might then have shown
itself as a difference in temperature between the two cells. Unfortunately,
the metal layers flaked apart within a few hours and no results were obtained.
If a stable structure can be achieved, this design might lead to a compact,
high energy density cell.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Miyamaru H, Chimi Y, Inokuchi T, Takahashi A;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 151.
"Search for nuclear products of cold fusion".
** Experimental, neutrons, helium, correlation with loading, res0, no FPH/Jones
Although 'cold fusion' does not seem to be normal d-d fusion, if it is a
nuclear reaction, some products might appear. This team searched for neutrons,
and He by mass spectroscopy, and tried to correlate any findings with the D/Pd
loading in a Pd/LiOD electrolysis cell, the loading being measured by the cell
pressure. The loading rose to 0.85 but then slowly declined to 0.73 or so, for
an unknown reason. Throughout, no nuclear products were found. The experiment
does however establish the feasibility of this kind of experiment.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Morrison DRO;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 48.
"Review of progress in cold fusion".
** Prominent 'cold fusion' critic DROM sums up the state of affairs at 1994.
In particular, he looks at this bibliography from October 1992 to September
1993. In this period, 76 refereed papers were abstracted, of which 27 were
experimental and 26 theoretical. Of the 27 exp., 13 were nulls, 10 positive, 4
undecided. 3 theory papers were negative, 20 positive. new classifications
were needed for the experiments performed, such as fracto-fusion,
transmutation, laser-induced, black holes, excess heat without input etc. DROM
looks to the extent that his previous advice (good experiments, try for
reproducibility, theory to fit all data, working models) has been followed;
generally, it has not. There is a useful list of theories published in the
period. No conclusion is reached but some interesting questions are asked,
such as are black holes and biology (Kervran) part of 'cold fusion'?
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Nezu S, Sano T;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 69.
** Experimental, loading measurements, alloys, no FPH/Jones ref, res0
It is sometimes thought that the D/Pd loading is crucial to 'cold fusion'.  So
these authors tried to maximise loading in Pd and some Pd alloys such as
Pd-Ag, Pd-Ce and Pd-Rh. Various pretreatments were tried, such as arc melting,
annealing in vacuum. The samples were charged with hydrogen or deuterium by
electrolysis and the loading measured by several methods, including gas
volumetry and mass flow metering. The highest D loading achieved was 0.839 in
Pd95Rh05 alloy, followed by 0.823 in unannealed Pd.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Notoya R;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 205.
"Alkali-hydrogen cold fusion accompanied by tritium production on nickel".
** Experimental, Ni, light water, intermetallic compounds, excess heat,
** tritium, res+
Very similar to a recent paper by the author, this one reiterates the
assertion that alkali metal ions play a role in the hydrogen evolution
reaction (HER) and thus also in the DER (this is not orthodoxy). The formation
of intermetallic compounds of Na and Pt was detected by means of
pseudocapacity measurements and indicate penetration to 100-1000 monolayers.
Similar behaviour is seen at Ni. Calcium was again found to be produced by
transmutation; as well as tritium in significant amounts, 10-100 times as much
in heavy water than in light, and correlated with current and excess heat.
This is not due to d-d or d-d-d fusion but to something else, says the author.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Okamoto H, Nezu S;  Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 59.
"Measurements of hydrogen loading ratio of Pd anodes polarized in LiH-LiCl-KCl
molten salt systems".
** Experimental, molten salts, Pd, Ni, loading, res0, no FPH/Jones ref
This work tries to measure the D/Pd or D/Ni loading achieved in molten salt
experiments of Liaw et al, where Pd (or Ni) is anodically charged from a
solution of LiD. At the temperatures employed, phase diagrams lead to an
expectation of only about 0.02 loadings. They were measured by gas volumetry.
At Pd, 0.03 was achieved, ad 0.06 for H/Pd; no numbes are given for Ni but
separate evidence (rate of gas evolution upon current switching; Ni is faster,
indicating surface absorption only) indicates very small loadings.
#...................................................................... Mar-95
Okamoto M, Kusunoki T, Yoshinaga Y, Ogawa H, Aida M;
Fusion Technol. 26T (1994) 176.
"Excess heat generation, neutron emission, and cell voltage change in D2O
LiOD-Pd systems".
** Experimental, excess heat, neutrons, cell voltage correlations, res+,
** no FPH/Jones ref
In previous work, excess neutron emission (ENE) was found from Pd/LiOD
electrolysis, but not in Pd/LiOH. Here the team tries to correlate ENE with
excess heat emission (EHE). Three thermocouples in the cell took care of the
calorimetry (with cooling coils), and for the neutron techniques, we must go
back to the team's paper in FT 19 (1991) 357. ENE was rather weak, and so
correlations were not secured; but some ENE were detected, some clearly.
Conditions for reprecation must be found.
#...................................................................... Mar-95


How to retrieve the archived biblio files:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1. By ftp from vm1.nodak.edu; log in as anonymous, giving your email
   address as password. Then cd to fusion. There are many files here, so
   do not use dir; if you are after the biblio files only, try
   dir fusion.cnf-*
   and then get or mget what you want.
2. Send an email to listserv@vm1.nodak.edu, blank subject and the message
   get fusion.<whatever you want>. To find out what there is, send
   index fusion
   This gets you an email with the directory of all files there, with which
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---  Dieter Britz   alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk

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1995.03.05 / Michael Kenward /  RE: Re: Re JET Labs fusion stuffd
     
Originally-From: m.kenward@bbcnc.org.uk (Michael Kenward)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: RE: Re: Re JET Labs fusion stuffd
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:30:35 GMT
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway

>BTW there was a time under the female PM that the UK was getting
>very short with continued tokamak fusion.  Even talk about 
>nationalizing JET or at least part of it.  

I wouldn't want any myths to get perpetuated, so let's knock this one on the
head. Mrs Thatcher, the lady PM (Prime Minister), couldn't hope to
'nationalise' JET. To begin with it is European, and is already
nationalised. (That is, it is already 'owned' by the governments that built
it.) Secondly, Mrs T would never nationalise anything. Privatisation was her
baby, and given half a chance she would have privatised the air that we
greak over here. The government is privatising bits of the UKAEA, the people
who run the public fusion programme.

Mrs T did get lukewarm about fusion. Not much has changed. The UK really
only sticks in there because it has to, as a good European. (Tee Hee.)
Non-EU (European Union) fusion research in the UK is sick. This is despite
the fact that the START machine Small Tight Aspect Research Torus, or some
such acronym, is gathering a band of fans.




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1995.03.04 / John Logajan /  Re: Signature of Stored Energy
     
Originally-From: jlogajan@skypoint.com (John Logajan)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Signature of Stored Energy
Date: 4 Mar 1995 08:03:53 GMT
Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc.

William Rowe (browe@netcom.com) wrote:
: The only run data I've seen is that which was in Jed Rothwell's paper. It
: consisted of three runs. The first was a blank run done for one hour with
: a flow rate of 0.05 gal/min raw COP of 59%, adjusted COP 98%. The second
: was for 19 min 40 sec, flow rate 0.2 gal/min, raw COP of 117%, adjusted
: COP of 168%. The third was for 30 min, also with a flow rate of 0.2
: gal.min, raw COP of 109%, adjusted COP of 157%. This data shows the
: decline in COP you mention. Is there other data which conflicts with this?

Dr. Mallove posted data from two runs to this forum.

I see that a copy of one of the postings is currently in Dr. Mallove's
www page maintained at:

 http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/rei/CFdir/CFhome.html

Or you can find a link to it in my www home page below.
Or, you can scan the s.p.f. archives for Mallove postings.

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1995.03.04 / Scott Little /  Re: Signature of Stored Energy
     
Originally-From: little@eden.com (Scott Little)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Signature of Stored Energy
Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:40:42 GMT
Organization: EarthTech Int'l


>That is to say that the power out must therefore necessarily decline
>(though it will also linger for a longer period.)  This decline in
>power out will look like an accelerated decrease in temperature.

John, you're on the right track, I think.  Seems to me the simplest way to
explore the stored heat hypothesis is to simply let the Griggs device run
for an hour or two, and take COP measurements (which typically involve
a 10 minute data collection) throughout that period.  If they all show the
same over-unity result, you can forget stored heat.  The rotor probably
has an overall thermal time constant (heat capacity divided by
conductivity (which is high for Al)) of only a couple of minutes so an
hour-long run should be sufficient to totally eliminate any stored heat
...OK?
 
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1995.03.04 / Jim Graham /  Re: Take Cold Fusion Seriously
     
Originally-From: graham@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Take Cold Fusion Seriously
Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:17:01 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

Thomas H. Kunich (tomk@netcom.com) wrote:
> In article <3j36qbINNru0@news.d.umn.edu>,
> aaron patula <apatula@ub.d.umn.edu> wrote:

> >Oriani then published in the December 1990 issue of Fusion Technology 
> >"I want you to understand my attitude," said Oriani. "A new idea should 
> >expect to fight its way to recognition. But in this particular case the 
> >fight has been particularly hindered by ridicule. Cold fusioneers have 
> >been accused to incompetence, self-delusion, and pathological science. 

> Yes, in some cases those accusations have been pretty close to the
> mark. In others, experimenters have set themselves up for such redicule
> by not doing their homework -- not supplying complete data, not
> having a reply for rather obvious questioning about sources of errors, etc.

Which makes me wonder how many "scientists" (not just cold-fusioneers)
don't do as much "homework" as they should, and yet, because their
findings (possibly incomplete or inaccurate) make it through the holy
inquisition because they don't challenge preconceived notions, they
are "accepted".

> I agree that it's unfortunate that physicists have to face these sorts
> of pressures while doing original research, but that's the way the game
> is played today in _every_ field. How would you like to be a politician
> today?

> >One, "the results are not yet [consistently] reproducible, and we don't 
> >know why," he said.

> When they are, call me. Else don't ask for my funding.

Which sounds like a damn good reason to remove public funding from
social experimentation as well!

> >Two, no one has satisfactorily explained what is taking place. "There are 
> >as many theories and theorists," said Oriani.

> Unfortunately this is also the case with much gbad science.

As is also the case with many if not most social programs.  Darned few
are based on absolute, irrefutable, highly repeatable data.

Why does this not apply to those as well.

Think about it.  If we apply the "repeatability" argument to so much of
the crap/psychobabble/social programs that are currently sucking the
public sow, then I would think that we could divert this funding to good
scientific endeavors.

Jim Graham
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1995.03.05 / Barry Merriman /  Re: Signature of Stored Energy
     
Originally-From: barry@boole.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Signature of Stored Energy
Date: 5 Mar 1995 02:27:31 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <3j9u5a$lo5@boris.eden.com> little@eden.com (Scott Little) writes:
>
>John, you're on the right track, I think.  Seems to me the simplest way to
>explore the stored heat hypothesis is to simply let the Griggs device run
>for an hour or two, and take COP measurements (which typically involve
>a 10 minute data collection) throughout that period.  If they all show the
>same over-unity result, you can forget stored heat.  The rotor probably
>has an overall thermal time constant (heat capacity divided by
>conductivity (which is high for Al)) of only a couple of minutes so an
>hour-long run should be sufficient to totally eliminate any stored heat
>...OK?
 
Not ok---you are still being far too indirect for my taste. You are
defining a long run to be ~ 2 hours. What is long is not something to
be pulled from a hat---you need to estimate the stored heat in the 
rotor and the housing, and define long to be a run that shows ecesses
several times beyond the stored heat.

But in any case, I don't think going for the "long run" is the right
approach anyway. Instead, just do the same old 0.5--1 hour runs,
but monitor electric power in and heated steam/fluid out from the
dtsrt (room temp) to finish (room temp), do there is no issue
of stored heat.
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1995.03.04 / Terry Pacheco /  Fusion Cost.
     
Originally-From: moebius@cml.com (Terry Pacheco)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Fusion Cost.
Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:19:46 GMT
Organization: ComputerLink Online Inc.

    Everyone keeps going on about how much it
will cost for Fusion, if it will be economical
when compared to other sources...  I live fairly
close to a Thermal Generation plant (about 20 mins
walking distance).  Personally if it ends up costing
over a dollar per kilowatt for fusion I don't care.
Cleaner air and a cleaner planet, IMHO, is worth any
cost!

    This is just an idea, I have not done much reading
into the subject so if this is totally way off please
forgive my ignorance...  

    I'm studying Elec. Eng. at the moment...  Could we
not power our homes via solar energy:

  1)  Produce electrical/electronic devices that use an
      absolute minimum of energy.

  2)  Insulate our homes/buildings as much as possible.
      To cut down on Heating/Cooling costs.

  3)  Each home/buidling have it's own solar array.
      Strive to produce an Array with high output.
   
    Granted, not all areas on the planet may recieve
enough sunlight for this purpose, but atleast we would
cut down on the amount of energy needed from a central
generating station...  Oppps, wait a minute, that would
cut Hydro's profits...  Scrap that idea :)

Moebius.

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1995.03.04 / Robert Heeter /  Re: Solar -VS- Fusion
     
Originally-From: Robert F. Heeter <rfheeter@princeton.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Solar -VS- Fusion
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:48:32 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <singtech-0303950409570001@ip-salem-15.teleport.com>
C. Cagle, singtech@teleport.com writes:

> Barry, get real.  Present projections are pack of lies if they even
think
> they could ever get break even.  

What makes you say this?  TFTR is already at 28% of breakeven
(Fusion power out = 28% of heating power in).  It's not that hard to
extrapolate to a machine that will achieve breakeven.  Actually,
JET, in England, is expected to achieve breakeven either next year,
or in 1997.

> And you must know this.  If you don't
> then you might consider that you are beyond help.
> 
> Princeton has been sucking the taxpayers dry.  It has to stop!  Don't
let
> them continue to con you.

There we go!  I knew it!  I should have guessed it all along!  
(NOT!)  Where on earth did you get this idea?

Fusion researchers have made better progress in advancing the key 
parameter (fusion power output from the reactor, or even the ratio
of fusion power out to heating power in) than the semiconductor
industry has in advancing, say, the number of bytes of RAM that
can be stored on a single chip.  (Fusion power production has
increased by roughly 8 orders of magnitude in the last 25 years.
Chips have increased by maybe 6 orders of magnitude.)

If you call that sort of progress "sucking the taxpayers dry," 
(note also that the cost of *all* energy research is miniscule 
compared to energy's contribution to the economy, so this
progress isn't even that expensive) then one might consider 
that you "are beyond help."

(Language is a double-edged sword, and turnabout is fair play. Touche.)

If you have some serious arguments to support your claim
that "Princeton has been sucking the taxpayers dry," I'm willing
to listen.  But only if you're civil about it.  This is 
a science forum, not alt.fusion.flame.

***************************
Robert F. Heeter
Email:  rfheeter@phoenix.princeton.edu
Web:  http://w3.pppl.gov/~rfheeter
Graduate Student in Plasma Physics, Princeton University
As always, I represent only myself, and not Princeton!
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1995.03.05 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Fusion Cost.
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Fusion Cost.
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:28:27 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

Terry Pacheco <moebius@cml.com> writes:
 
>walking distance).  Personally if it ends up costing
>over a dollar per kilowatt for fusion I don't care.
>Cleaner air and a cleaner planet, IMHO, is worth any
>cost!
 
You personally may not care, but lots of other people do care, and they
will refuse to pay a dollar per kilowatt-hour. They will buy cheaper
electricity from dirtier sources, so your fusion plant will sit unused.
In a free society, where people can choose to buy things anywhere they like,
any commodity or product has to be cost competative or it will not survive.
There is a small amount of wiggle room for slightly non-competative products
that are very good for the environment, but not enough for a product that is
10 or 20 times more expensive than the alternatives.
 
What you think is "worth any cost" is irrelevant. If other people will not
buy it, then you cannot sell it. Period. The only thing you could do would be
to force them to buy it. That is what the hot fusion program is doing now.
The steal the money from gullible and unwilling taxpayers. That's fine for
a small scale operation; they can steal a few hundred million per year with
help from the currupt Washington politicos, but they could never get away with
stealing billions per year, and that is what they would have to do if they
succeeded in foisting a hot fusion plant on the country. If they did succeed,
it would lead to enormous increases in pollution, degradation, ugliness and
poverty of course. Any time thieve suck money out of the economy it leaves a
trail of ruined lives. The S&L scams left thousands of abandoned and rotting
buildings all over the country, including a 10 acre apartment complex near my
house. We have people sleeping on the streets and a few miles away we have
boarded-up buildings because of the financial shenanigans of the 1980s. If the
hot fusion mafia succeeded in their crazy scheme, and managed to grab, say,
20% of the U.S. power generation market, that would mean that 20% of our
electricity would be severely overpriced, so instead of spending your money on
pollution control, education, a house, or health care, you would be forced to
waste it on innefficient electricity instead. Go visit any neighborhood
blighted by poverty and you will what the blessings of the hot fusion program
would be.
 
- Jed
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1995.03.05 /  jedrothwell@de /  Re: Solar -VS- Fusion; the Biomass option
     
Originally-From: jedrothwell@delphi.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Solar -VS- Fusion; the Biomass option
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:29:51 -0500
Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)

Steve Jones (jonesse@vanlab.byu.edu) floats a proposal to grow, harvest and
burn "Chrysothamnus, also sal sola and kochia" for energy in arid western
deserts. Offhand I would guess this is too expensive to compete with
conventional sources of energy like fossil fuels and fission. A financial
projection is essential in evaluating such ideas. Also, I expect the
harvesting would damage the fragile western land. You have to gather a
terrific amount of fuel which by its nature is spread out over a wide area.
In Georgia, at one power plant they burn a mixture of coal and peanut shells.
Peanuts are grown here in far greater crop density than any plant life in
the desert could attain, and the shells are free and gathered in one location
already, because they are left over from food processing. Even at that, I do
not think it is very competitive. It is bit like burning municipal trash: an
idea that looks good on paper (because the fuel is ostensibly free) but one
that will never go far because of the complexities of the equipment, problems
with pollution and so on.
 
In any case, I think this posting is off-topic. It might generate more
interest and more responses over in sci.energy.
 
- Jed
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1995.03.05 / MARSHALL DUDLEY /  Re: Signature of Stored Energy
     
Originally-From: mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (MARSHALL DUDLEY)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Signature of Stored Energy
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 13:14 -0500 (EST)

barry@boole.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman) writes:
 
-> But in any case, I don't think going for the "long run" is the right
-> approach anyway. Instead, just do the same old 0.5--1 hour runs,
-> but monitor electric power in and heated steam/fluid out from the
-> dtsrt (room temp) to finish (room temp), do there is no issue
-> of stored heat.
 
I concur completely.  That is the approach we plan to take.  Make a total
energy in vs energy out measurement with the rotor starting at tap water
temperature and returning to tap water temperature.  I may be repeating myself
here as I have posted this several times before, but so many of my postings
dissapeared last month, I am not sure any of them which discussed this
approach ever made it out.
                                                                Marshall
 
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1995.03.05 / Savage Henry /  And finally... ball lightning and weirdness.
     
Originally-From: daryl@weaver.dungeon.com (Savage Henry)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: And finally... ball lightning and weirdness.
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:57:57 LOCAL
Organization: the weaver


I've been told that you guys may be able to assist me.
I'm interested in any information regarding the possible links 
between ball lightning and various anomalous phenomena.
Reports of spontaneous human combustion often evidence 
an intense heat source with a restricted area of effect, sufficient 
to incinerate bone while leaving nearby fabrics untouched. 
Poltergeist  reports often include evidence of unusual electromagnetic 
phenomena. In Manchester a poltergeist has been blamed for a fire 
in a pub, where one wall was left completely untouched (Manchester 
Evening News, 2.4.1994.). The haunting included another localised 
fire, noises and misbehaving electrical equipment.
Many reports exist of whole towns suffering from "weird smells". 
This may be linked to the strange smells experienced by many 
who suffer frontal lobe seizures.  These seizures are easily 
produced by electrical stimulus.
Are the plasma forms discussed here capable of being generated 
by this planet's magnetic fields, weather or even regional geography? 
Is it possible for them to cause these events?
I'd love to hear your opinions, although you may have to humour me 
with the local jargon.
 
I have net access through a friend's account who will pass on
your answers. Andrew Morriss.
daryl@weaver.dungeon.com
Voice +44 01353 676237
"I know where you live..." - Revelations 2:13
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1995.03.06 / C Harrison /  Periodic Post: Cold Fusion online at sunsite.unc.edu
     
Originally-From: harr@netcom.com (Charles (Chuck) Harrison)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Periodic Post: Cold Fusion online at sunsite.unc.edu
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:30:49 GMT
Organization: Fitful

This message is posted periodically to inform readers about on-line
data sources related to "cold fusion" which are located at the 
University of North Carolina SunSITE server.

Two public WAIS (Wide Area Information Server) sources are online:
(1) Dieter Britz's Bibliography (periodically updated), and
(2) A sci.physics.fusion archive (1989 to present).
WAIS provides for multiple keyword searches in these databases.  It
does _not_ support boolean logic in the searching :-(.

1.  If you are directly connected to Internet, you can log onto a public
    WAIS server at the University of North Carolina:
    %telnet sunsite.unc.edu
    ...
    login: swais
    ...
    TERM = (unknown) vt100
    It takes a minute to load ...

    <use ? for online help>
    <use /cold to locate the cold-fusion "Source" - the Britz biblio>
    < or use /fusion to locate the fusion-digest source>
    <follow the prompts to select the source and enter your keywords
     for searching>

2.  If you have a "gopher" client, you can use it for WAIS access.  Many 
    university campuses provide gopher as a public information service.
2a. On most systems, you first select an option labeled "Other Systems",
    then from that menu select "WAIS based information".  Since each
    gopher site creates its own menus, I can't tell you exactly where to
    go from there.
2b. If you can gopher to SunSITE, at UNC, navigate the menus down thru
    SunSITE archives..All archives..Academic..Physics..Cold-fusion.
    You will find the searchable databases (typically marked <?>), as
    well as the primary-literature files discussed below.
2c. If you can 'telnet' but not 'gopher', you may telnet to
    sunsite.unc.edu and login as 'gopher'.  Then follow 2a or 2b above.

3.  If you have World Wide Web (WWW) browser, such as Mosaic, Cello, or
    Lynx, you may use the following URL's:
     wais://sunsite.unc.edu/cold-fusion       Britz bibliography
     wais://sunsite.unc.edu/fusion-digest     newsgroup archive
     gopher://sunsite.unc.edu/11/../.pub/academic/physics/Cold-fusion

4.  If you have a WAIS client on your system (the most common ones are
    "swais" -- character-based, and "xwais" -- for X-Windows), use it.  The
    Britz source is called "cold-fusion" and it is listed in the 
    directory-of-servers.

    If you _want_ a WAIS client program to run on your system, several are
    available in the public domain.  Try ftp-ing to one of these sites:
      sunsite.unc.edu
      think.com

There are several additional files archived at sunsite (e.g. Bollinger's
Twist of Ribbon, preprints of the Fleischmann&Pons 1989 paper), which
are accessible by anonymous ftp.
    %ftp sunsite.unc.edu
    . . .
    >cd pub/academic/physics/Cold-fusion
    >dir
The collection (mostly primary papers) maintained by vince cate has been
copied over to pub/academic/physics/Cold-fusion/vince-cate.

Additional contributions are welcome; e-mail cfh@sunsite.unc.edu.
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