1995.06.03 / A Plutonium /  Re: Scientific American discusses neutrons as revolving like
     
Originally-From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Scientific American discusses neutrons as revolving like
Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:32:53 GMT
Organization: Plutonium College

In article <3qorun$8fk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
jpmjpmjpm@aol.com (Jpmjpmjpm) writes:

> I am trying to find the article sounds fascinating.  Was this it?  If not
> .. month or yr approximately ??  Thankx
> 
> _/  _/  _/
> 
> Halo Nuclei

 Yes, and thanks for sharing that. I feel this is very important
science. And SA has done a good job at drawing attention to this very
important science, for I feel any day now someone will report
experiments implying the spontaneous materialization of neutrons from
out of nowhere and in violation of conservation of energy/mass. Halo
nuclei is coming closer to the discovery of spontaneous neutron
materialization which I claim is the mechanism of cold fusion.
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1995.06.04 / John Kondis /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: eapu207@taurus.oac.uci.edu (John Kondis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
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ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: 4 Jun 95 03:13:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

vergon@netcom.com (Vertner Vergon) writes:

>At any rate I'm much too busy to waste any time on arrogance and 
>selfcenteredness.

>New Paradigm Vergon

Yeah.  "Too busy".  Too busy thinking up more garbage instead of learning 
anything, that is.  Fact is, Vertner couldn't produce a strong force 
equation if his life depended on it.  Not that I could, but I don't even 
pretend to be able to.

All one has to do is take a look at some of the threads he has stepped 
into (this being only one of many) and see how many times cool, rational 
people have been kind enough to lend him some wisdom.  This wisdom, by 
the way, he quickly flushes down the toilet, so that he may continue his 
rampage unabated.

And about reading his text.  Caveat emptor.  After the first 10 pages or 
so of HEAVING, STINKING excuse for science, I had to go empty my BARF BAG 
or else I'd have to clean the carpet soon afterward.  But when I got 
back, my roomie turned the computer off so unfortunately I was unable to 
finish.  Oh well, NO GREAT LOSS, that's fer-sure.  

AND having READ some of the trash that this man has produced, I can 
remark on some of it.

Vertner, if I make an E&M wave of frequency 0.0001 Hz, how big is the 
QUANTUM comprising the photon?  Oh, we can't have a photon in such a 
case, you say?  Then will you kindly tell me why 0.99 Hz cannot be made 
of photons but 1.00 Hz can?

[OK everyone, get your bullshit suits on, the shit's gonna fly...]
  
...John
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1995.06.03 /  Winfinity /  Re: Misinformation about Pd
     
Originally-From: winfinity@aol.com (Winfinity)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Misinformation about Pd
Date: 3 Jun 1995 23:32:38 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)

>Dick Blue said:

>Someone trying to make a case for saying the Pd has some special
>nuclear properties suggested that it has an unusual number of
>stable isotopes.  That simply is untrue as a brief scan of the
>available data will show.  By my count the number of stable
>isotope per chemical element in the mass range of Pd reveals the
>following:

>Pd 6, Cd 8, Sn 10, Te 8, Xe 9

Palladium not only has an unusual number of stable isotopes, it also has a
relatively large percentage spread between these isotopes.  The nuclear
weight of these isotopes are such that neutron flow, *IF* it occurred,
would yield heat.

As Sherlock Holmes said (to paraphrase), when everything else is ruled
out, the impossible, however unlikely, must be considered.  If you accept
the premise that CF experiments are producing heat (which I don't accept
as consensus), then: Is palladium as the source of the heat more bizarre
than cold fusion as a theoretical explanation?

As our model of the nucleus is still undergoing further refinement, this
might fit into some framework.  Just a thought.

-David Schneider
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1995.06.04 /  Monteiro /  Re: The Mechanical Universe
     
Originally-From: monteiro@physics.ucla.edu (Monteiro)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: The Mechanical Universe
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 05:14:55 GMT
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway


You may try to write to the producers:
   The Mechanical Universe
   Caltech
   Pasadena,  CA  (sorry, you have to look for the ZIP code yourself)

The books can be ordered through your local bookstore.  There are two volumes
corresponding to the elementary course, and one volume for the science majors.
The books are really good too.

Please note that I have seen many people saying that it is not possible to
use The Mechanical Universe in a high school, because there is a little
calculus there.  I am not an expert in American high school, I guess that
the general feeling is that the student's little brains may explode.

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On June 1 1995 jpmjpmjpm@AOL.com wrote:


Where can we find THE MECHANICAL UNIVERSE .... ??

On which TV show.. video tape?  Distributor of video tape?

Thanks!




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1995.06.04 / Phil Storm /  Re: Room temperature superconductors already exist
     
Originally-From: root@localhost.com (Phil Storm)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,alt.sci.physics.plutonium
Subject: Re: Room temperature superconductors already exist
Date: 4 Jun 1995 05:16:48 GMT
Organization: Interdictor

Archimedes Plutonium (Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
:   It could be that spider webs or the hairs of some plants or animals
: are room temperature superconductors. And this is to be expected since
: according to my theory superconductivity is just the decomposition of
: photon signalers to that of neutrino signalers for the electrons to
: move.
:   That would be splendid and great if room temperature superconductors
: existed in the bioworld of spider web or hairs from plants or animals
: because we can weave those materials into practical wire devices.
:    I expect any day now for some report that a room temperature
: superconductor is discovered from the Bioworld. Any day now , . .

 Hey goofball....if you think there are superconductors like this, why don't you
test your guesses. (bring along a trusty multimeter and a 9V battery to nature
hikes) heh


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1995.06.04 /  Van /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: vanjac@netcom.com (Van)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy,
ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 15:43:38 GMT
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)

>vergon@netcom.com (Vertner Vergon) writes:
>
>>At any rate I'm much too busy to waste any time on arrogance and
>>selfcenteredness.

"arrogance and selfcenteredness" descibe VV pretty well.

When I publish papers, I don't go around saying I'm a genius, I
am the new Einstein (except I don't make his mistakes), I have
the foundation or "New Paradigm" for physics, my ideas are great,
everyone else is biased, bogged down in the ideas of
the scientific establishment, so they can't see the greatness
of my new ideas.

I consider the feedback to my posts and ideas, and get an idea of how
good the work was by the feedback. In this way I have had to revise
my idea of the importance of my work almost everytime (in the upward
direction a couple of times :).

OTOH the feedback VV gets has no effect on his ideas, nor does its
internal logical fallacies, or disagreement with well established
experiment and theory. VV claims to have an intuitive feel for
physics. I don't believe he has done enough physics to have such a feeling,
and when you get the kind of feedback from professional scientists
that you get here, if it were me I would certanly take another look at
my basic ideas.

e.g., in spite of the many posts pointing out that the EM spectrum
is continuous with freq. from 0 to oo, you continue to insist that
1 cycle/sec is the lowest freq. to get your m_q c^2 = h (1/sec), or
m_q = h*(1/sec)/c^2, which is 10^12 greater than the experimental
_upper_ limit on the photon (rest) mass.

Further,  you ignore the fact that there is no reason that m = 0 particles
can't exist, and the overwhelming evidence that they do, and that
EM radiation and fields have no (rest) mass, but they do have
energy and momentum E = Pc from SR and the light or null cone where

g(p,p) = - m^2 = 0 = - E^2 + (Pc)^2

The light or null cone of SR is where photons and m = 0 ptls.
have their 4-momentum p^a = (E,P^i) {i=1,2,3}, or classically its
where the wave 4-vector k^a = (w,K^i) resides, giving

g(k,k) = - w^2 + K^2 = 0  ==> phase vel. = group vel = w/K = dw/dK = 1
= speed of light.

This is basic to all of relativity.
-- 
Van  --  Email: vanjac@netcom.com
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1995.06.04 / William Shaw /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: wshaw@gate.net (William Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy,
ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: 4 Jun 1995 16:16:18 GMT

Van (vanjac@netcom.com) wrote:

: ... when you get the kind of feedback from professional scientists
: that you get here...

	Hahahahaha! Good One!

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1995.06.04 /  khanafer@kuc01 /  world Radiation Center
     
Originally-From: khanafer@kuc01.kuniv.edu.kw
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: world Radiation Center
Date: Sun,  4 Jun 95 16:23:35 GMT  
Organization: Kuwait University

Hi there..
	I wonder if any one can help me in getting any information
about World Radiation Center in Davos ,Switzerland.
	Thank you in advance.
	Plaese Email me.
Nasseb Khanafer

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1995.06.04 /  drom@vxcern.ce /  Article in Tribune de Geneve.
     
Originally-From: drom@vxcern.cern.ch
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Article in Tribune de Geneve.
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:52:16 GMT
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway

                                                                 DM-95-4
The article below appeared in the Tribune de Geneve on 31 May 1995. This is a
translation into English. The titles and subtitles are the responsibility of
the Tribune editors.

        INVESTORS DOUBT COLD FUSION. PERHAPS ITS SECOND DEATH 
 
  THE SOURCE OF ENERGY REVEALED IN 1989 HAS ALREADY BEEN DENOUNCED BY MANY  
SCIENTISTS. THE ENTERPRISES WHICH HAS INVESTED IN THIS SECTOR SEEM NOW TO BE 
                 RETIRING ON THE TIPS OF THEIR TOES.
  
                   By Douglas MORRISON, physicist.

    "Cold Fusion is dead, isn't it?" is a question I have often been asked
these last few years. This simple question is hard to answer. Over 99% of the
world's scientists think it is dead scientifically, but Fleischmann and Pons
and a small group of several hundred True Believers have continued and they
have been successful in raising funding of tens of millions of dollars. 
    This affair began in March 1989 when Fleischmann and Pons, two
electrochemists working in Utah, announced to the world that they had found a
solution to World's energy problems with no pollution. They said that they
could cause fusion of the deuterium in heavy water in a jar, giving abundant
power which was cheap and non-polluting. 

A NEW SCIENCE IS BORN
    Almost at the same time, the Exxon Valdez ran aground on the Alaska coast
and spilled vast amounts of oil. The photographs of this ecological catastrophe
and of the agony of thousands of birds, moved the entire world. This favoured
the propagation of cold fusion and soon confirmation of Fleischmann and Pons's
results came from experiments in many countries. A new science, that of "cold
fusion" was born.
    Martin Fleischmann was a distinguished electrochemist in England, and
Stanley Pons, his student, was a professor in Utah. The Sun's energy comes from
fusion of hydrogen atoms giving ultimately atoms of helium and a large
diffusion of energy. But this happens at very high temperatures, 15 million
degrees. It is hot fusion. From the fact that palladium can absorb large
amounts of hydrogen, the two researchers undertook, by means of
electrochemistry, to drive heavy hydrogen (deuterium) into the metal, make the
nuclei come closer together, and cause fusion at room temperature(cold fusion)
giving excess heat.
    They declared their experiments gave "one watt in, four watts out". 

PALLADIUM BECOMES SCARCE
      Almost all large science-based organisations and many small groups of
people tried the experiment - palladium became scarce and its price soared. As
more confirmations appeared in the media, Fleischmann and Pons raised their
claim "one watt in, ten watts out". 
    However when their scientific paper appeared, some rather obvious faults
were pointed out. Some careful experimenters reported finding no excess heat or
neutrons or tritium . Doubts began to spread. The US government started a crash
programme to investigate - their labs could not reproduce the claims and a
panel of 22 outstanding scientists investigated and reported that there was no
evidence to support cold fusion. Indeed when they visited labs claiming to have
working cold fusion cells, they were never able to see one actually working!

MILLIONS FLOW IN FOR RESEARCH
    So by the end of 1989, it seemed cold fusion was dead and the vast majority
of the world's scientists abandoned the search for confirmation and considered
it simply an unfortunate error. But despite the weight of scientific evidence,
Fleischmann and Pons and some colleagues were very persistent. In addition
there was a substantial group of people and organisations who had supported
cold fusion and who continued to support it very actively despite the lack of a
decisive scientific experiment.
    They were well funded. The State of Utah voted $5 million to set up a
National Cold Fusion Institute, NCFI, in Salt Lake City. The powerful American
Electrical Power Research Institute, EPRI, also gave millions. While many
supporters were scientists, sometimes famous ones such as Nobel laureate Julian
Schwinger, others were interested from the ecological aspect and often they
claimed that big business and big science were conspiring against them to
preserve their existing privileges.

PONS SURFACES IN FRANCE
    This persecution complex helped to unite them and they became a cohort of
True Believers who would not be dissuaded by mere scientific arguments. Also
there were a substantial number attracted by financial considerations since if 
the claim were true, many billions of dollars would be earned. 
    Utah finally realised that no results were coming from its institute. At
this moment, Pons vanished, leaving no forwarding address and it was some time
before it was learnt that he was in the South of France. He and his colleagues
had persuaded the boss of the Toyota car company that cold fusion had a fair
chance of working. They established a new company, IMRA Europe S.A., which
equipped a fine new laboratory for Fleischmann and Pons to develop cold fusion
in the Sophia Antipolis science park in the hills above Nice. Other Japanese
companies also became interested and NTT, the company which had the biggest
share capitalisation in the world, declared that they had solved the cold
fusion mystery and had made it reliable - their share value rose by 8 billion
dollars in one day, but declined to normal after a few days. 
    Then the powerful Japanese Ministry of International Trade and Industry,
MITI, announced that they were allocating some $30 million to cold fusion and
setting up a new agency, New Hydrogen Energy, NHE, which would do experiments
in collaboration with other private companies (it was noted that the name NHE
avoids saying cold fusion - just in case .....). True Believers could believe
that cold fusion was alive and thriving despite the hostility of the
establishment scientists.  

AN ASTONISHING CONTRADICTION
       Every so often there would be a new claim which would be sent to the
media, but then the excitement would die down again as it was investigated. An
amazing thing was that originally Fleischmann and Pons said they knew they had
observed nuclear fusion because they observed excess heat with heavy water but
not with normal water, but then suddenly some ten groups said they found excess
heat with normal light hydrogen. It might have been expected that this
contradiction would sow doubt in the minds of True Believers but not at all.
The most recent flash of excitement was from Bologna in March when the Rector
called a press conference to announce that they had done an experiment with
normal light hydrogen at Siena and found excess heat reliably, but had problems
when a probing journalist asked questions.
     At Easter was held the 5th International Cold Fusion Conference. Again it
was held in luxurious surroundings - a five star hotel in Monte Carlo. It was a
very strange meeting, different from previous ones and people were rather
despondent afterwards at the lack of progress. Only True Believers were invited
plus a few people that they wished to impress. Pons was said to have influenza
and never attended any session but was occasionally seen around. Fleischmann on
the other hand, spoke four times. The participants expected to visit the IMRA
lab on the hills overlooking Cap d'Antibes, but the invitation never came. What
is more, the laboratory was closed completely.

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
    Mystery! Also one expected to hear from the Bologna/Siena people who had
just announced a big discovery, but they never turned up. Then it was heard
that EPRI had spent over $10 million on cold fusion but it was hinted that they
had stopped further funding. Furthermore the work of the new Japanese agency,
NHE, did not seem to support cold fusion. Then there were the mysteries of IMRA.
As they still had not reported any results after three years, it was possible
that they had found something and hence were keeping commercial secrecy. But it
was also possible that they found nothing at all.
    How much longer will the cold fusion serial last? History teaches us of
wrong scientific results which have been propagated for several years. If the
original discoverers declared they had made a mistake, then the belief ended
quickly. But where the originators persisted and attacked the null experiments
which disproved their claim, then the affair has sometimes lasted many years. 
As Fleischmann and Pons show no signs of retracting, it may be expected
that the True Believers in cold fusion could stay firm for several years. 

THE KNELL OF COLD FUSION?
    There may have been a dramatic change in this situation. It has just been
learnt from a reliable source, that Fleischmann spends most of his time in
England and that Pons is now working on some other project for IMRA. Now if
these two originators have stopped devoting all their energies to cold fusion,
this could sound the death knell. Did they choose to stop full time work or did
IMRA ask them? Doubt if one will ever know as commercial companies that have
spent money on bad science, tend to be very discrete about it. 
    So this seems the second death of cold fusion. This episode has lasted a
long time because it raised such great hopes - everyone is an ecologist now and
wants cheap abundant energy that is non-polluting. But this dream must be
supported by a Science which is good and just.


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1995.06.04 /  KAnko /  Re: The Farce of Physics
     
Originally-From: kanko@aol.com (KAnko)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.philosophy.objectivis
,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,misc.books.technical,sci.astro,sci.energy,
ci.misc,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,sci.physic
.particle,sci.research,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Farce of Physics
Date: 4 Jun 1995 17:34:38 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)

To everyone who is posting on the "Farce of Physics" thread.  Eliminate
sci.physics.fusion from your post sites.  They are getting tired of
listening to this SR, GR, and Particle physics thread.

Kevin Ankoviak
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1995.06.04 / A Plutonium /  Re: Room temperature superconductors already exist
     
Originally-From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.fusion,alt.sci.physics.plutonium
Subject: Re: Room temperature superconductors already exist
Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:54:14 GMT
Organization: Plutonium College

In article <3qrfk0$luj@msunews.cl.msu.edu>
root@localhost.com (Phil Storm) writes:

> :    I expect any day now for some report that a room temperature
> : superconductor is discovered from the Bioworld. Any day now , . .
> 
>  Hey goofball....if you think there are superconductors like this, why don't you
> test your guesses. (bring along a trusty multimeter and a 9V battery to nature
> hikes) heh

Go to hell Phil Storm, Acheron that is. 
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1995.06.05 /  matt@godzilla. /  Re: Misinformation about Pd
     
Originally-From: matt@godzilla.EECS.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: Re: Misinformation about Pd
Date: 05 Jun 1995 02:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <3qr9gm$n7v@newsbf02.news.aol.com> winfinity@aol.com (Winfinity) writes:

> As Sherlock Holmes said (to paraphrase), when everything else is ruled
> out, the impossible, however unlikely, must be considered.  If you accept
> the premise that CF experiments are producing heat (which I don't accept
> as consensus), then: Is palladium as the source of the heat more bizarre
> than cold fusion as a theoretical explanation?

Except that not all "cold fusion" experiments do use palladium! I
note, for example, that the most vocal "cold fusion" proponents on
this group are now touting pumps that just swish water around: these
have nothing to do with palladium.  If palladium is somehow essential
to "cold fusion", then all of the non-Pd experiments must be wrong.

The problem with "cold fusion" is that we aren't talking about one
particular experiment that yields some particular bizarre result:
we're talking about dozens of different experiments yielding dozens of
different results, or sometimes no results at all. These results are
wildly contradictory, and it seems grossly unlikely that all of them
are right.

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